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Speaker 1: to Coast to Coach you know back in John Greenwald Jr.

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Speaker 1: Began researching the secret inner workings of the US government

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Speaker 1: at the age of fifteen years old. He targeted such

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Speaker 1: groups as the CIA, the FBI, the Pentagon, the Air Force,

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Speaker 1: of others. He utilized the Freedom of Information Act to

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Speaker 1: gain access the thousands of records he did legally. He

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Speaker 1: accumulated an astonishing number of documents on topics such as

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Speaker 1: you Have Goes, the jfk assassination, biological nuke weapons as

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Speaker 1: well and secret aircraft time elapsed, and John's online archived

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Speaker 1: became known worldwide as the Black Vault, and his teenage

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Speaker 1: project turned into the largest private online collection anywhere in

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Speaker 1: the world. With how many pages there John? Now, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm approaching about one point six million. Jeez, that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: When you started this as a young kid, what got

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Speaker 1: you started? You know? I wish I had a great

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Speaker 1: interesting answer for you. I was just curious, you know,

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Speaker 1: lie to me, right, And the stupidest mistake I ever

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Speaker 1: that the government would give me answers. And you know,

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Speaker 1: even though you don't have that smoking and there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of evidence there that I've amassed now over twenty years. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and you really don't have many explanations to what this

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Speaker 1: paranormal type explanation. Just had a theoretical physicists on. We

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Speaker 1: Does not believe in afterlife, does not believe in God,

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Speaker 1: uh and was not jumping up and down about the

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Speaker 1: is a probability if you talk to you, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of life out there. I think so. And you know,

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Speaker 1: away from my research with the government. What we haven't

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Speaker 1: a lot for History Channel, Discovery Channel, and I get

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Speaker 1: uh like Dr Michio Kaku and uh Dr Jeffrey Marcy

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Speaker 1: out there as Carl Sagan did exactly, and you don't

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