1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, welcome back to Killers amongst Us, 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: a production of iHeart Media and Crime Online. Every day 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 1: we get up and go to work, right, or you 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: go to the grocery store, or you go to the mall, 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: or you go for a jog or a walk. But 6 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: let's just say you're at work. Can you're walking up 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 1: and down the hallways, in and out of your office, 8 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: to the break room, the bathroom, out to the parking lot. 9 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: Who are you passing in the halls? Do you really 10 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 1: know them? I mean, if you look at the stats, 11 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: there is a huge percentage of violent parolees and people 12 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: on probation walking around us in our universe, circling us 13 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: every single day. We have no idea who they are, 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: what they look like, what are their names? But they're 15 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: there Killers amongst Us? I mean, I see Gray, Thanks 16 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: for being with us. What an all star panel I 17 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: have joining us today. First of all, renowned psychiatrists out 18 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: of the Atlanta area, doctor Angela Arnold, who actually has 19 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: a master's degree on top of an MD, what and 20 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: sell a molecular biology? You know it never ends with 21 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: this woman. You can find her at Angela Arnold, MD 22 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: dot com veteran trial lawyer, former prosecutor of nothing but 23 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: Felonies in intercity Atlanta, now defense attorney at Cohen Cooper 24 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: E Stepan Allen. You can find him at CCEA Law 25 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: dot com. Daryl Cohen has taken a break from his 26 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: trial calendar to join us. Former police lieutenant with Nehaven 27 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: Police Department, Senior lecturer, director of the Center for Advanced 28 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: Policing at the University of Behavior University there the Forensic 29 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: Science Department. Lisa daddy O also with me. Correct reporter 30 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: from Newsday, Matthew Chase. But first, take a listen to 31 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: our friends at crime online dot com. Annie Ley may 32 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: be small in stature, but she is living large. Just 33 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: four feet eleven inches halt Lay is voted most likely 34 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: to be the next Einstein by her high school class mates. 35 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: That's not surprising, considering Lay is valedictorian of her graduating 36 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: class at Union Mine High School in El Dorado, California. 37 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: With her eye on college, one hundred two scholarship applications 38 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: are filled out with approximately one hundred sixty thousand dollars 39 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,559 Speaker 1: in scholarship money fueling her dreams. She attends and graduates 40 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: from the University of Rochester in New York. Wow. They 41 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: always say dynamite comes in small packages, but I guess 42 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: Annie Lay is no exception. Just twenty four years old, 43 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: voted most likely to be the next Einstein by her 44 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: high school classmates. You know, Daryl Cohen, former prosecutor now 45 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: defense attorney. They can say a lot about you and 46 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: I back in high school, but the nixt Einstein is 47 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: not one of the things they threw at us. I 48 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: imagine Einstein was something I heard about and read about, 49 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: but I couldn't have hair like his, so I never 50 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: would have a brain like his. I mean already, I 51 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: mean doctor Angie Arnold to be voted, not just it 52 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:32,119 Speaker 1: was bandied about to be voted most likely the next Einstein, 53 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: even in high school. You know, did I ever tell 54 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: you my sister was valedictorian in high school out graduated 55 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: with a four point from college and ps. She worked 56 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: her whole way through college, got a full on four 57 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: year scholarship Charles C. Conway scholarship for college. She majored 58 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: in accounting with minors in chemistry in German. Total brainiac 59 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: and it's just tell you this part about her. She's 60 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: also beautiful, long auburn hair, big eyes that I can 61 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: only describe as auburn. They're not brown, They're not red. 62 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: Their auburn eyes. Beautiful kind of a Natalie would look 63 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: about her anyway. Listen to this in the middle of 64 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: her valedictorian speech. You're gonna love this, Jackie. That was 65 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,799 Speaker 1: back when what do you say, where were the people 66 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: that would run naked? Yeah, streakers all I can think 67 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: of his flasher streaker, a streaker, a girl in her 68 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: high school streaked across the stage in the middle of 69 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: my beautiful sister's speech, and my sister, ever the cool cucumber, 70 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: just looked, paused, and continued with her speech. I mean, 71 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,239 Speaker 1: when I think, the reason I'm telling you this, doctor, Angie, 72 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: is because when I think of any lay so brilliant 73 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: yet so beautiful and vibrant, I think of my sister. 74 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: I can't help it. Yeah, And you know, Nancy, to 75 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: be recognized at such an early age, to have stood 76 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: out so much in high school. You know, once your 77 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: kids get to high school, you see that, don't you. 78 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: Certain kids just rise to the top and they are 79 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: going to be the cream of the crop for the 80 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: rest of their lives, you know. But it's amazing to me. 81 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: And you know, let me ask you this. At to 82 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: Matthew Chase reporting on news Day, I've said this a 83 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: million times and I grappled with it when my fiancee 84 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: was smarter. It always seems like the greatest people, know, 85 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: the bright stars, sweet kind loving people, the ones that 86 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: reach out to that homeless person to try to give 87 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: them a hand and end up getting stabbed. What does 88 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: it ever Occurdie when you're reporting? Why is it always 89 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: great people that these hazards befall? You know, that's a 90 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: that's a great question. But I think there's no doubt 91 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: that you know, anyway, was someone who teachers and advisors 92 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: and classmates recognize with special you know, her science teacher 93 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: said that she was the best student that she ever had, 94 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: you know, the kind of student you dream of. Her adviser, 95 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: you know, would describers bubbly. You know, she wasn't your 96 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: kind of stereotypical science student. She was into fashion. She 97 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: was bubbly. She was not you know, nerdy. So um, 98 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: you know, very very nice girl from all we've you know, 99 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: all we learned, you know, to Lisa Daddy, a porn 100 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: police lieutenant in Haven, what do we know about Annie 101 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: l just twenty four years old? What kind of person 102 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: is she? So? Annie was a personable, energetic, brilliant person. 103 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: She loved fashion. She always wore a skirt or address 104 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: and always wore high heels. Um working in a lab 105 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: and standing over her research and standing at the bench 106 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: wearing a lab coat, she always you know, fashion was 107 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: a big thing to her. Um from everybody we interviewed, 108 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: to speaking with her friends and family, to you know, 109 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: learning about her through her high school and the University 110 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: of Rochester and obviously Yale University, everybody said the same 111 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: thing about her. Just personal, brilliant. University of Rochester said, 112 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, she was above where postgrads are and just 113 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: her energy and her intelligence. So she definitely was going 114 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: to be the next Einstein. I'm looking at Annie Lay 115 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: right now and she's just, you know, everybody's dream that 116 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: you want your daughter to grow up like card guys 117 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: take a list in our friends at crime online dot com. 118 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: Annie Lay's focus of study is cell developmental biology, with 119 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: a minor in medical anthropology. After graduation, she has then 120 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: accepted into a graduate program at Yale. This line of 121 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: study would lead to a doctorate in pharmacology. Her research 122 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: centers on the treatment of diabetes and certain forms of answer. 123 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: Annie Lay's personal life is just as ambitious. She finds 124 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: the love of her life in another serious minded academic, 125 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: Jonathan Wadowski, a graduate student and applied physics and mathematics 126 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: at Columbia University. A wedding is eminent. Wow, wedding eminent, 127 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: Seeming like her whole world is unfolding in a beautiful, 128 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: wonderful way before her. Take a list of Sharon al 129 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: fanse ABC, smart, pretty, and conscientious. That's how friends describe 130 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: Annie Lee. A lot of good friends, a wonderful fiancee. 131 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: She's going to marry on Sunday. We all love her 132 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: a lot. Photos of the twenty four year old Yale 133 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,599 Speaker 1: medical student on Facebook show the bride to be smiling, 134 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: posing in her wedding dress and with her fiancee, who 135 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: she describes as her best friend. On Facebook. They have 136 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: her smiling. You see her wedding address set to Mary 137 00:08:54,600 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: on Sunday. Let's trace that day for Annie Lay to 138 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: Matthew Chase, uh investigative reporter with Newsday. Matthew, what was 139 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: her day like that day? September eight? You know that weekendancy, 140 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: she was planning to go to New York to Love 141 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: Island to be married. And uh, you know, in the morning, 142 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: her roommates actually hear the quick clack of her heels 143 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: as she walks around. You know, she's she's waiting for 144 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: a package from Kentucky from a place called Rue La 145 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: La for the for the wedding um. And one of 146 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: her roommates told us that, you know, she was walking 147 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: to a campus bus stop with two of the housemates 148 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: of hers um and she's going to go, you know, 149 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: probably about three miles to her office on Yale's campus, 150 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: and she was planning to go you know later that 151 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: later that week to New York for her for her wedding. 152 00:09:52,360 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: That was going to be absolutely beautiful to you, Lisa, Daddy, 153 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: I'd joining us retire police lieutenant. You have a police 154 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: department and senior lecturer. What more do we know about 155 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: her day? Because that kind of reminds me my friends, 156 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: my colleagues at the DA's office in a hold all. 157 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: Let me go to Daryl Collen on this. When you 158 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: worked in the DA's office, that was before we had carpet, remember, 159 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: and the floors were tile and I remember everybody, especially 160 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: my friend Al Dixon and Eleanor own them. They would 161 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: always say they could hear me coming the same coming 162 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: down that tile with the heels on, which points out 163 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: that you could have never been a good criminal because 164 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: you could have never snuck up on anyone. We didn't have. 165 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: We had one copier we had. Oh, don't even mention 166 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: that copier. I'd fight with it every Friday night till midnight, 167 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 1: trying to get discovery out ten days before trial. Oh yes, 168 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: we were staying in the ancient, not state of the art. 169 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: I was just thinking about any lake. You know, her 170 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: roommates hearing those heels, you know. Clicking back to Lisa 171 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: Daddio joining US former police lieutenant Behaven. So her friends 172 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: hear her that morning that Sunday, it's planned for her wedding. 173 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: What more do we know about her trek to work 174 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: that morning? You know what we knew about any the 175 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: day that she was last seeing We knew that she 176 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: was heading to her office in the Yale Stirling form 177 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: of Medicine, and then from there she was going to 178 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: go to her research laboratory to do a bunch of 179 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 1: work with her experiment her research and working on mice 180 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: because she was going to be leaving later that evening 181 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: or the next morning to go down to New York 182 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: to see her fiance as they prepared for the wedding 183 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: that weekend. So this was kind of the last day 184 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: that she was going to be on campus until after 185 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 1: her wedding. I'll tell you about her research. What was 186 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: her research, Matthew Chase. She did research. She was a 187 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: pharmacology student, as you guys had said, and she was 188 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: doing research relating to ailments like diabetes. She did research 189 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: with animals with lab mice, you know, and trying to 190 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: find cures or more about you know, those sorts of diseases. 191 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: Nancy Japan. You know, Annie was a brilliant researcher. She 192 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: had won and been selected to. On top of receiving 193 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: well over one hundred thousand dollars school in the University 194 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: of Rochester, she was also a recipient with the National 195 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: Institute of Health and the National Science Foundation, both incredibly 196 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: prestigious scholarships and awards for research that she got both 197 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: at the undergraduate level at the University of Rochester and 198 00:12:55,120 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: then at the graduate level at Yale University. Those research 199 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: grants and the money that's afforded for her to do 200 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: a research are so competitive and prestigious, and yet she 201 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 1: gets them at both her undergraduate university and her graduate school, 202 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: which is just incredible, honestly, And then something you really see, 203 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: you know, when you're at that level, Daryl Coh. I mean, 204 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: law school was hard enough, and I went on to 205 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: get a master's in constitutional criminal law at NYU. That 206 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: was hard enough, but that's nothing, in my mind, compared 207 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: to this kind of research. One of my nephews is 208 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: getting his PhD and math right now, and it's so 209 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: far beyond anything I ever studied. The other one went 210 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: and got his NBA at Chicago. I'm bragging, and the 211 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: hard work it takes for that. I'm just imagining any latest, beautiful, 212 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: petite girl as brilliant as she is, getting this degree 213 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: and doing all this researches. It must have been very 214 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: intensive while she's there in the lab. I bet she 215 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: didn't notice anything going on around her. Yeah, my guess 216 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: would be that she was completely focused and that her 217 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: whole world was directly in front of her. Nothing to 218 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: the left, nothing to the right, and nothing too far away, 219 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: just directly in front of her. Because of focus, I'm 220 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: imagining her in those hills and her dress and that 221 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: white lab come. She's very, very petite, sitting on a stool, 222 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: like a bar stool, looking through a microscope. That's how 223 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: I imagine Annie lay to doctor Angela Arnold, psychiatrist shot 224 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: me out of Atlanta. I remember when I would try cases. 225 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: I would be completely unaware of people coming in and 226 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: out of the courtroom. Somebody asking me, once, doesn't it 227 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: bother you when people come in the courtroom in the 228 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: middle of an opening statement, I'm like, no, it doesn't. 229 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: I don't even notice them. I noticed. I felt like 230 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: I'm watching a test match. I'd watch the witness, the jury, 231 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: the witness, the jury, that's it, and nothing else existed. Well, 232 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: and you have to and you have to have that 233 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: kind of laser focus when you're doing the kind of 234 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: research that she was doing. Also, you can't let anything 235 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: around you bothered you. And that apparently what made her 236 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: so good at what she was doing, because you are 237 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: dealing with such minute amounts of information and detail and 238 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: specimen that you really do have to be laser focused 239 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: on what you're doing. Nay, if I could just interrupt her, clear, sure, 240 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: jump in, Sure, Annie had actually written an article when 241 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: she was in New Haven where she talked about campus 242 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: safety and security and new Haven, you know, and I 243 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: remember there was a line in there that said something like, 244 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, all places like New Haven have their perils, 245 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,359 Speaker 1: but if you're street smart, you can avoid becoming another statistic. 246 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: So this issue was, you know, in the back of 247 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: her mind to some degree. Yeah, that's kind of foreboding. Actually, guys, 248 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: we're talking about a beautiful, gorgeous, brilliant grad student. Take 249 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Tony Deville, principal at Union 250 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:18,359 Speaker 1: Mine High School. Just a wonderful person, a great student, driven, vibrant, energetic, 251 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: well respected by her teachers and by her peers. One 252 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: of the best students who has ever attended this high school. 253 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: She was really involved with math and science, and during 254 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: her high school time did an internship at Marshall Hospital 255 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: and brought a lot of those materials and experiences back 256 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: to share with her science teachers. One of the things 257 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: I think she did is she bought a replica of 258 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: brain back to the classroom, and all the students obviously 259 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: enjoy something like that. Wow, now you know I met 260 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: when you did show and Tell Daryl Cohen, you didn't 261 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: bring a replica of a brain. Trust me. A brain 262 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: is something we have. I don't want to look at it. 263 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: I could never have been a physician. I would get 264 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: very queasy at blood. But you know, you talk about 265 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: she was good at statistics. It's always good to read 266 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: statistics and not be a statistic You know, we're talking 267 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: about Annie Lay and her whole world. They're just unfolding 268 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: before her. And I'm curious about this area Yale where 269 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: she was studying, Yale University, newhan Connecticut, and I've been 270 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: researching it just recently because of another murder of a 271 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: Yale grad student there, and I learned that it's not 272 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: a very big town. It's a college town. And you 273 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: would think an IVY League school such as Yale would 274 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 1: be in the middle of some elite and posh area, 275 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: but actually one in four people at a recent study 276 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: were described as living in poverty and Yale and the 277 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 1: crime is is off the charts. What about that, Matthew Chase, 278 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: reporter with New's Day. You know, there's definitely a dichotomy 279 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 1: to some degree with between the Gothic storied buildings of 280 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: Yale and you know this this city in which it's situated, 281 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: you know, and there are there are some there's some 282 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: tension between town and gown to some degree. As you said, Um, 283 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: a lot of folks there live in poverty, and there's 284 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: a stark contrast in some ways between what you think 285 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: of when you think of Yale and what you know 286 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: the reality of this city in which it's in which 287 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: it's located. You guys, take a listen to Annie's pretty 288 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: earlier her from AP. Take a listen to Annie's friend 289 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: Jennifer Simpson speaking with CBS as Maggie Rodriguez. Annie has 290 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: been planning this wedding for over a year with John, 291 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: and she was very excited. She's been a countdown to 292 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: her wedding day and she was doing weather patterns to 293 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: make sure that the weather would be perfect on her 294 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: wedding day, and she just wanted everything to be perfect, 295 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: everything down to table napkins, to flowers and just Annie 296 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: was very very excited about this day and the relationship 297 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: with her fiance. Do you know him. John is a 298 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:31,239 Speaker 1: wonderful person. He is very mild mannered, very soft and 299 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: well spoken, but very fun and both of them were 300 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: very much in love with each other, even searching the 301 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: weather patterns for that day to Matthew Chase, reporter with 302 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 1: News Day, tell me about her wedding plants. What do 303 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: we know? You know, anthy, she actually blogged quite a 304 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: bit about this. She wrote on Facebook. You know, she 305 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: wrote that it was going to be in this kind 306 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: of gorgeous outdoor area. She writes about, you know, the trouble, 307 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: the difficulty of choosing a wedding dress. You know, she 308 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: narrows its dead, she narrows it down to two different ones. 309 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: She goes shopping with family around Christmas time, and you know, 310 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: she writes about having found um a favorite dress. You know, 311 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: she describes it as as being a having a mermaid cut. 312 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:21,959 Speaker 1: It's white, it's strapless, it has a small flower applicat um. 313 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: You know, with regard to the wedding ring, she writes 314 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: about having gazed down in it and being how and 315 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: recalling how happy she was. You know, she's looking at 316 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: it when she's in the lab, when she's bored and 317 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: she's waiting for incubations. Um. The wedding bands are chosen 318 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: to compliment the watches that she and her fiance I have. 319 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: You know, she's writing all about the ceremony. You know, 320 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: she's excited about the pigs and the blanket that they're 321 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: going to have at the cocktail hour. She's writing about 322 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: the plans to go to Greece for for their honeymoons, 323 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: so you know she was thinking about this wedding. She 324 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: was very excited about. Okay, you can laugh, but doctor 325 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: Angela Arnold, my husband and I decided to get married 326 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: on Tuesday. We got married on Saturday. Well, but trust me, 327 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: it was not a whirlwind courtship. I met David shortly 328 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: after Keith was murdered, my fiance, and he really stuck 329 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: by me through the years, through thick and thin. And 330 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: our big focus is what are we going to have 331 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: to eat? What are we going to feed the guests? 332 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: Because we had to throw it together in a hurry, 333 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: and that was the big focus. So it made I 334 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: saw Jackie smile, and I do the same thing when 335 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: Matthew Chase her Neuesday said she was excited about the 336 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: pigs in a blanket. I get it, because you want 337 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: to really, as we say down South, put on the dog. 338 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: You really want to have if you can best as 339 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,479 Speaker 1: I could, in a few short days, throw a great 340 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: party for your guests if you can, right, because you're 341 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: so excited about that day, Nancy, and it and it 342 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: indicates your future. I mean, I'm quite sure Nancy that 343 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: even though you put together that wedding in six days, 344 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: you remember every detail of it, don't you. I really do. 345 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: I really said, yeah, you're right. Hey, we didn't take 346 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: Matt in law school pipe down. So I'm just thinking 347 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: imagining her planning all the food and the dress and 348 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: the dress and gazing down at her wedding man as 349 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: she was working. And I'm going to just continue with 350 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: my image of her in my mind, sitting on that 351 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: stool looking through a microscope. Take a listen to Vanessa Flores. 352 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: This is Any's former roommate. I think he was perfect 353 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: for her, Like um, John was so or is I mean, 354 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: he's He was just so wonderful to her. John was 355 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: so supportive of her, of her dreams of following her 356 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: research goals. Tom. You know, they had to separate. They 357 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: were together at Rochester and they she went to a year, 358 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: he went to Columbia and he supported her through this 359 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: and they would talk on the cell phone for hours 360 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: and they would just be so connected. I can just 361 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: imagine they're talking on a cellphone for hours. But let's 362 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: go to that day. That day, September eight. Listen to 363 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: our forensic crime online dot com. September eighth, Annie Lay 364 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: leaves her apartment and using Yale Transit, heads off to 365 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,719 Speaker 1: the Sterling Hall of Medicine on the Yale campus. Around 366 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: ten am, Lay walks from Sterling Hall to another campus 367 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: building at ten am, the Scott Street. This is where 368 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: her research laboratory is located. Her purse, cell phone, credit 369 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: cards in cash are all left in her office at 370 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: Sterling Hall. Ley is seen on security footage entering the building, 371 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: but is not seen leaving. At approximately nine pm that night, 372 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: Lay has not returned home. One of her five housemates 373 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: calls police to purport her missing. Okay, so the day 374 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: goes as normal. We see her around ten o'clock walking 375 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: from Strolling Hall to another building. And what's interesting and 376 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: it's very helpful when this is true to form a 377 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: police Lieutenant Nehaan Police Department, now senior Lecturer and Director 378 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 1: of the Center for Advanced Policing at University in Haven, 379 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: Lisa Daddio. When people or locations, apartment complexes, work locations, 380 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: universities use key cards. I love that explain. So it 381 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: was a huge break in this case as we got 382 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: through it and started looking at it when we weren't 383 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 1: treating it as a missing person case, because attracts your movements. 384 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: So we knew approximately what time Annie had key carded 385 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: into her lab, and we knew what time you know, 386 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: she was seen walking into ten homicide because she's actually 387 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 1: caught on videotape there. So it really became a huge 388 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: piece of evidence, if you would, digital evidence for us 389 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: in this case. Yeah, you know, Jerald Cohen, a foreign 390 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,719 Speaker 1: prosecutor now defense attorney. It's really hard to argue with 391 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: keycard info unless you a defense attorney or investigator. What's 392 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: some of the arguments someone had the individual's key card 393 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: and was using it, or or in the alternative, they 394 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: were being forced to use their own when someone else 395 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: had them in custody of sorts, you know la Arnold 396 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: wait Japan during I just wanted to add that through 397 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: that day, the fire alarm goes off and uh, you know, 398 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: Annie is not seen leaving the building. The last time 399 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,719 Speaker 1: she's seen leaving that building is when she's going in um, 400 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: you know, in that brown skirt, green short sleeved t 401 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: shirt and brown shoes. She's not seen coming out when 402 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: that smoke alarm goes off, and as I understand, Lisa 403 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: can probably speak to this. Of course, more the investigators 404 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: reviewed that video and did not see her coming out, 405 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: and we spent hours and hours and hours combing that 406 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: because it's not just one video. There are multiple cameras 407 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: that we had to look at, and so we had 408 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: analysts that were reviewing everything and slowing it down to 409 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 1: make sure and triple check that she's not seen. So 410 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: that for us investigatively was huge. Another well, I'm on 411 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: that topic. We were just covering in depth the case 412 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: of Vanessa Gean, the young woman in the military who 413 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 1: goes missing and left behind was her ID. And you know, 414 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,719 Speaker 1: when you work in that scenario, you always have, like 415 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: what at the District Attorney's office, I always had somewhere 416 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: on me, usually in my bra the key to my 417 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: office because with evidence and files and hours and hours 418 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: of research, I normally shut my door when I would leave, 419 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: even in the DA's office. It was just too critical. 420 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,479 Speaker 1: I could let anything happen to it. I guarantee she 421 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: would keep that key card with her. She had very 422 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: valuable and intricate research going on. She did not want 423 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: that disturbed. So I doubt, very seriously she would have 424 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: given up her key card for anything. What about it, 425 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: Lisa Daddy, O. Yeah, she definitely wasn't home. I mean 426 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: she left her cell phone in her office because she's like, oh, 427 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: I don't need it, I'm going to go check on 428 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: my mice. And then you know, once she was done 429 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: checking on all her research into and what she needed 430 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: to do, she actually was going to be going home. 431 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: That was the original plan, based upon information we had 432 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: from her roommates and even her fiance. But her key 433 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: card is the only thing that would have gotten her 434 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: into her lab. So you just don't forget it because 435 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: no other way are you going to be able to 436 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: get in because of the research that's going on in 437 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: there here. My question is how good is the coverage 438 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: of the cameras? Are we talking fifty eight? How good 439 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: are those cameras and are they strategically placed so that 440 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: everyone coming in or going out should be on camera. 441 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: So the cameras that are showing your entrances and exits 442 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: are all there where there were not cameras. Believe it 443 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: or not, we're on the lower level where Annie's research 444 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: lab was, So we didn't have any of that footage 445 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: at all because it doesn't exist or it didn't exist. 446 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: Leave it at that, but all the entrances and exits 447 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: to that building are covered, so we were able to 448 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: go through each one of those cameras over from ten o'clock, 449 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: I mean repeatedly seeing if she ever last, not even 450 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: just the day she went missing, but even the day's following. 451 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: Leaves one other question. Are there windows that are large 452 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: enough that can be opened and someone can enter or exit? No, 453 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: there are not. Guys. What you're hearing right now is 454 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: exactly the way we at the District Attorney's office would 455 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: sit around talking about various cases. You may it's a 456 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: winding road. Sometimes it goes afield, and then it comes 457 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: back as you explore and try to figure out, like 458 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: a Rubik's cube that you turn over and over in 459 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: your mind what happened. Take a listen to Randall Pinkston CBS. 460 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: Twenty four year old Annie Lee was working on a 461 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: PhD in pharmacology at the Yale School of Medicine. Tuesday morning, 462 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,719 Speaker 1: she left her office and walked four blocks to her 463 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: lab near the School of Nursing around ten o'clock or 464 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: surveillance camera captured her entering the building just afternoon. There 465 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: was a fire drill, but Lee wasn't seen. When she 466 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: did not come home Tuesday night, her roommate became concerned 467 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: and notified authorities. Right now, we are turning the evidence 468 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: over and over and over in our minds. What happened 469 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: to Annie Lay, Nancy Grace Killers, amoxt Us signing off 470 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: goodbye friend.