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Speaker 1: Welcome back in our number three Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we

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Speaker 1: are rolling through the Monday edition of the program. Buck

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Speaker 1: will be back on Tuesday of next week. I'm in

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Speaker 1: solo this week as he takes a summer vacation before

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Speaker 1: all of the chaos begins to the extent that the

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Speaker 1: chaos ever stops.

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Speaker 2: With what's going on right now?

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Speaker 1: We've had a lot of great calls in the second

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Speaker 1: hour of the program discussing a massive gender gap that

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Speaker 1: may well determine who wins the twenty twenty four election.

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Speaker 1: Men are going to vote for Trump, women are going

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Speaker 1: to vote for Kamala. The margin of each and whether

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Speaker 1: Trump can pull more women or Kamala can pull more

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Speaker 1: men may well be the ultimate decider. Tommy Laren joins

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Speaker 1: us now. She is a young woman who talks to

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Speaker 1: a lot of young women for OutKick every single day

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Speaker 1: with her show.

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Speaker 2: Tommy Larin is fearless.

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Speaker 1: Tommy, you buy into this the that whichever of the

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Speaker 1: candidates can peel more of their non majority right, Trump

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Speaker 1: pulling more women or Kamala pulling more men may well

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Speaker 1: determine who wins this election.

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Speaker 3: A million percent, and I hope that Trump has a

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Speaker 3: strategy to win over female voters. I haven't seen this

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Speaker 3: strategy yet, and we know that obviously his running mate

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Speaker 3: being jd Vance, and some of the controversial comments that

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Speaker 3: he's had about women in the past, they've really come

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Speaker 3: back to bite him, and that that is going to

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Speaker 3: stick with him. I don't think he's ever going to

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Speaker 3: be able to get away from that. Jade Vance isn't

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Speaker 3: and then by proxy Donald Trump. So I want to

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Speaker 3: see the Trump campaign bring out a woman. I don't

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Speaker 3: like the idea of Nicky Haley, but listen, bring out

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Speaker 3: Nicky Haley, bring out Tulcy Gabbard, Let's get Kelly and

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Speaker 3: Conway back in there. He needs to have a strategy

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Speaker 3: to win over women, and sometimes women need to see

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Speaker 3: other women to be convinced. It's a sad reality, but

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Speaker 3: the true campaign needs to do something.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So this is intriguing to me, Like they're calling

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Speaker 1: Tim Wall's coach Walls.

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Speaker 2: He is a governor.

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Speaker 1: He has not been a coach for twenty some odd years,

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Speaker 1: that seems to me. And they're focusing on his military service,

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Speaker 1: on the fact that he is a hunter. On the

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Speaker 1: fact that he wears camo hats every now and then,

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Speaker 1: it feels like they do have a strategy. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's a good one because I don't think Tim

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Speaker 1: Walls appeals to that many actual middle of the road voters.

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Speaker 1: I think he seems very artificial. But what is the

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Speaker 1: Trump strategy? You mentioned Nicki Haley, you mentioned Tulsei Gabbard,

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Speaker 1: who on the campaign trail. Do you think would connect

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Speaker 1: in a really strong way with women, and how does

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Speaker 1: Trump go about deploying them in your mind to start

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Speaker 1: to have some impact.

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Speaker 3: I think he needs to get them out there and

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Speaker 3: he needs to be campaigning with them. I think he

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Speaker 3: needs to send Nicky Haley to the suburbs and have

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Speaker 3: her doing events speaking on his behad. I think he

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Speaker 3: needs to have Telsey Gabbert doing the same thing advocating

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Speaker 3: for him, because up until now we've seen Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: make inroads with young people, but it's been young men.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm a friend of theovonn i' thought the

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Speaker 3: Theovonne podcast was fantastic, But outside of me and my

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Speaker 3: other Trump supporting conservative friends, not a lot of women

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Speaker 3: are necessarily tuned in to THEO Vonn and they're not

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Speaker 3: going to take there maybe their electoral advice from THEO

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Speaker 3: Vonn or Joe Rogan or any of the men that

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Speaker 3: are obviously doing well. So he needs to have a strategy.

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Speaker 3: He needs to talk to more women, more female influencers.

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Speaker 3: I think putting his granddaughter back out on the trail

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Speaker 3: where she had that wonderful speech at the R and C.

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Speaker 3: That was fantastic. I know she's obviously pretty busy right

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Speaker 3: now committing to college, but he just needs to get

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Speaker 3: women out there speaking on his behalf next to him

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Speaker 3: at his events, because up until now we really haven't

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Speaker 1: News, by the way, breaking I love you probably have

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Speaker 1: seen Tommy the gambling markets. This is no great surprise

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Speaker 1: to you, but huge jump today in the odds that

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Speaker 1: Tulsi Gabbert is going to officially endorse Trump just hit

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Speaker 1: ninety seven percent, much like we saw with RFK Junior

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Speaker 1: right before he rolled out his official endorsement. What do

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Speaker 1: you think if this were to happen. We've had Tulsi

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Speaker 1: had Tulsi on your OutKick show yet, but what do

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Speaker 1: you think the impact of someone like Tulsi on the

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Speaker 3: So I actually have Tulci on my show on Thursday,

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Speaker 2: Ah good timing, very good.

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Speaker 3: Timing, Yes, perfect timing. Obviously I will be asking her

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Speaker 3: about all of this. But I think that Tulsi is

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Speaker 3: a secret weapon because Tulsi effectively ended Kamala's first try

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Speaker 3: as the presidency in twenty nineteen in just a couple

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Speaker 3: of minutes during that debate, absolutely eviscerated her. So Tulsi

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Speaker 3: coming out not only as somebody who can help Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump prepare for a debate, which we don't know if

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Speaker 3: that's going to happen now, but having her out there

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Speaker 3: as an advocate it. Obviously, a Democrat having left the

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Speaker 3: Democrat Party has the same appeal as an RFK junior.

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Speaker 3: It's all these Democrats coming out saying, listen, I'm a Democrat,

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Speaker 3: but the Democrat Party is so wild and woke now

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Speaker 3: i don't even want to be a part of it,

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Speaker 3: and I'm going all the way over to the Trump side.

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Speaker 3: That's powerful. Tulsi will have a huge impact on undecided.

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Speaker 3: So I'm really hoping that we get that announcement from her.

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Speaker 1: Uh okay, So my team is telling me, Ali, can

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Speaker 1: you pop up because I want your telling me that.

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Speaker 1: As we are talking, Trump just brought out Tulci Gabbard

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Speaker 1: on the stage with him in Detroit.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's what it looks like. Fox cut away. So

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Speaker 2: we're getting confirmation on that right now.

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Speaker 1: Happened literally might have just happened as we're talking to you.

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Speaker 1: Tommy Trump is campaigning in Detroit, Michigan today. He was

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Speaker 1: Soldier in DC. Here is Shelby Talcott saying Tulci Gabbard

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Speaker 1: expected to formerly endorse Trump today at the National Guard event.

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Speaker 1: That is from Shelby Talcott, who is a reporter for Semaphore.

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Speaker 1: Aisha Hasni just retweeted it. So, Tommy, this goes directly

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Speaker 1: to what we were just talking about. Your interview with

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Speaker 1: her on Thursday can make sense. And by the way, Ali,

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Speaker 1: we can also reach out and see if we can

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Speaker 1: get her on again this week as well.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 1: But so you get Tulsi, if you get someone like

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Speaker 1: you said Nicki Haley, and I know people out there say, oh,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think Nicki Haley. As much as I don't

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Speaker 3: by these certain people, I completely understand it. Listen, we're

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Speaker 3: our vice president. But then on the trail the helps

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Speaker 3: way independence at this point is needed. I think that

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Speaker 3: a lot on social media conservatives and Trump supporters exist

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Speaker 3: in this bubble where they think that they only need

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Speaker 3: same person anyway, so it doesn't matter. We need to

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Speaker 3: reach across and get these people who don't pay attention

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Speaker 3: to politics every day, but they don't like some of

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Speaker 3: the things that Donald Trump says and does, and they're

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Speaker 3: really angry about the abortion of it all. So having

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Speaker 3: big news great. I'm so happy that he's going down

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Speaker 2: Okay, you just mentioned abortion. It's the elephant in the room.

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Speaker 1: When you look at data women eighteen to forty, eighteen

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Speaker 1: of child bearing age, abortion is overwhelming for them. The

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Speaker 1: number one issue. Men. I would say, even young men

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Speaker 1: Tommy and my experience, abortion's like seventh or eighth on

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Speaker 1: their issue. It doesn't connect with them in the same

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Speaker 1: visceral way. How do you handle the abortion issue? Is

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Speaker 1: Trump handling it? Well, what do you think he should

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Speaker 1: maniacally focused just on abortion.

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Speaker 3: Well. Jd Vance did it yesterday on the Sunday Shows,

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Speaker 3: which I was happy to see that he said, listen,

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Speaker 3: We're not going to sign a national abortion ban. If

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Speaker 3: it comes to Trump's death, which it never will, it'll

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Speaker 3: be vetoed and Donald Trump needs to say it. You know.

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Speaker 3: He did put on truth social and maybe even Twitter

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Speaker 3: of this, and I don't know how effective that's going

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Speaker 3: over and over again that I will not sign a

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Speaker 3: You know, everybody wants this perfect conservative, evangelical candidate that's

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Speaker 3: pro life, that's wonderful. That's not what you have, and

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Speaker 3: it's never going to win an election ever, ever again,

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Speaker 3: at least you know, in my lifetime. So let's be honest.

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Speaker 3: Let's win an election and let's have Donald Trump out

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Speaker 3: there saying he would not sign a national abortion band.

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Speaker 3: That's the only thing he can do. But he has

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Speaker 3: to address it head on.

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Speaker 1: Tommy, you're in Nashville. I go out, not as much

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Speaker 1: as I used to, but when i'm out and there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of my wife's friends that we will

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Speaker 1: interact with for them again their you know mother age, right,

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Speaker 1: they're having kids. It's like nothing else gets through other

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Speaker 1: just militant in terms of supporting Kamala that actually, if

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Speaker 1: you ask them about other questions, disagree with her on

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Speaker 1: focus on other issues? You just said how Trump should

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Speaker 1: address it?

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Speaker 2: What would you.

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Speaker 1: Say if we grandmas and grandpa's out there listening to

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Speaker 1: us with granddaughters. Same thing for parents, what would you

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Speaker 1: tell them that they should have a conversation with How

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Speaker 1: would they broach that with their daughters or granddaughters.

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Speaker 3: Well, I would remind them of the number of young

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Speaker 3: women who have been slaughtered by Kamala Harris's illegal alien

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Speaker 3: dreamers that she's let across the southern border. That's what

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Speaker 3: I would tell them. I mean, most of the victims

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Speaker 3: of what these illegal aliens allegedly have been doing in

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Speaker 3: illegal aliens. So, and this is going to happen more,

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Speaker 2: That, Tommy. If people want to hear more from you,

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Speaker 3: OutKick dot Com obviously on Monday through Friday one pm

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Speaker 5: And today I'm honored to officially welcome another true American patriot.

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Speaker 6: to send President Trump back to the White House where

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Speaker 6: he can once again serve us as our commander in chief.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this is significant. I am huge.

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Speaker 1: I talked to start the show about Brian Kemp, the

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Speaker 1: Governor of Georgia, coming together with Trump and putting Georgia

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Speaker 1: on lockdown, flipping it back from a red state from

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Speaker 1: a blue state to a red state, and OURFK Junior

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Speaker 1: on Friday, now bringing out Tulsa Gabbard on Monday and

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Speaker 1: having her endorse Trump. Remember Tulsi Gabbard really took it

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Speaker 1: to Kamala Harris in the twenty twenty presidential campaign. In fact,

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Speaker 1: can I get the crew to go grab the super

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Speaker 1: viral moment that kind of ended Kamala's campaign in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty because everybody's kind of playing with kid gloves, and

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Speaker 1: Tulsi was like, uh huh, I'm just gonna go head

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Speaker 1: to head after Kamala Harris, and she actually attacked her

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Speaker 1: for lyeing about how she was handling prosecutions in California.

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Speaker 2: She actually hit her from the left.

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Speaker 1: Now, I don't think that's the best way for Trump

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Speaker 1: to hit Kamala Harris. To me, you go after Kamala

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Speaker 1: Harris raising money in Minnesota to bail out the rioters,

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Speaker 1: the looters, the plunderers of Minneapolis in the wake of

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Speaker 1: the BLM protests. But Tulsi really socked it to Kamala.

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Speaker 1: And in the same way during the Republican debates, do

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Speaker 1: you remember Viveik and Nikki Hayley don't like each other.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes politicians disagree, and remember Nicky Haley called Vivek scum.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes politicians disagree and you can say, okay, that's a

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Speaker 1: policy disagreement. But these guys or these gals may really

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Speaker 1: kind of get along. Sometimes the nasty seeps through and

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Speaker 1: you can tell who really actually don't like each other.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Tulsia Gabbard likes Kamala Harris at all.

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Speaker 1: I think she sees her as a fraud and I

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Speaker 1: think Tulsa Gabbert probably would have endorsed Trump against Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden as well. But I think there's an eagerness to

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Speaker 1: this endorsement because she really sees Kamala Harris as a

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Speaker 1: fraudulent leader.

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Speaker 2: And I think that Tulsi.

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Speaker 1: Will go out and be an attack dog on Kamala

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Speaker 1: Harris in an effective manner. And frankly, I don't like

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Speaker 1: to play identity politics, but I think that a woman

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Speaker 1: attacking Kamala makes, especially a minority woman, makes it way

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Speaker 1: harder for Comamala to argue and for her surrogates to argue, Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's just racism and sexism. I don't buy it in

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Speaker 1: the first place, but there are a lot of people

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Speaker 1: at the Washington Post, you guys know this, at the

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Speaker 1: New York Times, ABC, NBCCBS, MSNBC, CNN that as soon

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Speaker 1: as anything's negative is said about Kamala Harris, they'll allow

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Speaker 1: her to retreat into the surrogate argument of, oh, the

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Speaker 1: only reason that attack is happening is because of racism

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Speaker 1: and sexism. I think that Tulsi takes that away and

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Speaker 1: forces you to acknowledge the legitimacy of the attack because

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Speaker 1: Tulsi is also a minority woman, a younger minority woman,

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Speaker 1: by the way, which we were talking about young women

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Speaker 1: having major issues as it pertains to supporting Trump compared

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Speaker 1: to Kamala I think that Tulsi really offers the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to go after Kamala Arris in a massive way and

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Speaker 1: land some body blows that might not otherwise be recognized

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Speaker 1: if Trump or jd Vance are the ones levying the attacks.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's fair. I don't think it's right.

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Speaker 1: I think we should analyze whether somebody has a truth,

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Speaker 1: truthful and legitimate attack, regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, any

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Speaker 1: of those things. But I do think the way the

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Speaker 1: modern media covers identity politics related issues that this has

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Speaker 1: the potential to really register in a profound way. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's another big coup for Trump, and I

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Speaker 1: also think it makes it harder to argue, Oh, Trump

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Speaker 1: is this right wing zelate? Well, wait a minute, he's

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Speaker 1: accepting RFK Junior's endorsement. Are the Kennedys notorious for endorsing

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Speaker 1: right wing zelots. To my knowledge, Tulsea Gabbard has never

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Speaker 1: endorsed a Republican caned it before to me. This speaks

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Speaker 1: to Trump's appeal in the middle part of the country

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Speaker 1: for people out there who just feel like things are

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Speaker 1: not going well in the country and are going to

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Speaker 1: make economy, border crime EBC, as I call it, based decisions.

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Speaker 1: I think this is a big coup. I think is

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Speaker 1: a great addition for Trump as we get ready for

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Speaker 1: that September tenth debate. Speaking of the September tenth debate,

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Speaker 1: there's a fight going on right now over some of

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Speaker 1: the parameters of that debate. I'll tell you the absolute

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Speaker 1: latest on that. Also close out the Monday edition of

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Speaker 1: the program with some of your calls eight hundred and

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Speaker 2: Again major breaking news in Detroit.

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Speaker 1: Tulsea Gabbard has just come out and endorsed Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: for president, joining RFK from Friday the Brian Kemp Union

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Speaker 1: as well. Trump is stringing together several good days as

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Speaker 1: we get ready for the official for many people start

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Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. He calls

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Speaker 1: him in great by the way today focusing on young

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Speaker 1: voters discussing the huge gender gap. Love that Tulci Gabbard

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Speaker 1: comes out in the third hour as an official endorsement

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Speaker 1: of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: I love that he, in theory is going to put

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Speaker 2: her out on.

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Speaker 1: The road as a surrogate. We'll try to get her

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Speaker 1: on this week. By the way, also gonna get RFK

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Speaker 1: Junior on as well soon. I still have to say it.

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Speaker 1: I think Nicky Haley could help.

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Speaker 2: I really do think having a joint event with.

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Speaker 1: Nicky Haley and having Nicky Haley endorse Donald Trump could

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Speaker 1: make a real difference with suburban female voters in this country.

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Speaker 1: And we are at winning season right now. If you're

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Speaker 1: complaining about anybody supporting Trump, you are not doing your

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Speaker 1: damnedest to get Trump elected. There may be people that

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Speaker 1: you disagree with on a variety of different perspectives. If

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Speaker 1: they come out and support Trump, they are on your team.

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Speaker 1: You ever been on a sporting team, I bet almost

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Speaker 1: all of you have where there's a total jerk on

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Speaker 1: your team that just gets under the skin of opponents,

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Speaker 1: and when you're practicing before the season starts, he gets

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Speaker 1: under the skin of everybody on your team too. Could

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Speaker 1: be a guy or a girl. Every single person who's

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Speaker 1: ever played sports knows this feeling tot you're busting your ass.

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Speaker 1: Somebody is a jerk on the team. Sometimes you have

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Speaker 1: to separate your own team from fighting with this guy.

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Speaker 1: And then the season starts and you got that guy's

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Speaker 1: back because he's on your side.

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Speaker 2: This is that time.

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Speaker 1: This is the time where the guy that might have

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Speaker 1: droven you crazy when the practice season was going on,

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Speaker 1: when primaries were taking place, all of a sudden, it's

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Speaker 1: go time.

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Speaker 2: The actual season.

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Speaker 1: Is here, and you got to get those people on

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Speaker 1: your side and you got to have their back. That's

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Speaker 1: where we are right now. I wanted to play this

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Speaker 1: and we're going to take a couple of calls. Here

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Speaker 1: is Tulsi going after Kamala in a viral moment in

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty Democrat primary. Now again, she hit her

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Speaker 1: from the left on the fact that she had prosecuted

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Speaker 1: a lot of black men, I think in particular for

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Speaker 1: nonviolent drug offenses. I don't think this is a super

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Speaker 1: valid way for Trump to hit Kamala, but I do

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Speaker 1: think that Tulsi could hit her here because she's a

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Speaker 1: former Democrat.

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Speaker 2: Listen to this.

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Speaker 6: The bottom line is Senator Harris. When you were in

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Speaker 6: a position to make a difference in an impact in

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Speaker 6: these people's lives, you did not. And worse yet, in

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Speaker 6: the case of those who were on death row, innocent people,

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Speaker 6: you actually blocked evidence from being revealed that would have

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Speaker 6: freed them until you were forced to do so. There

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Speaker 6: is no excuse for that. And the people who suffered

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Speaker 6: under your reign as prosecutor, oh, you owe them an apology.

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Speaker 1: So that was Tulsi coming after Kamala from the left

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Speaker 1: during the twenty twenty Democrat presidential debates. Now Tulsi, if

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Speaker 1: you just missed it in the last few minutes, has

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Speaker 1: taken the stage and officially endorsed Donald Trump. We got

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Speaker 1: a couple of callers who went a weigh in. Let's

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Speaker 1: start here, David in California, you're twenty four years old.

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Speaker 1: What are you seeing and hearing from people your age

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Speaker 1: as the presidential campaign rolls on?

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Speaker 7: So I'm actually seeing a very interesting thing where so

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Speaker 7: Republicans have basically had to write off the well not

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Speaker 7: write off, but they've had to looked little less at

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Speaker 7: the black, black, and Latino vote. But for men who

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Speaker 7: are black and Latino, there's a lot more hype for

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Speaker 7: Trump then gets recorded. I think, yeah, whether that's just

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Speaker 7: silent or whether it just gets sucked on the rug.

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Speaker 7: But you know, I think if Trump leans on like

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Speaker 7: the young male minority vote a little bit more, she

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Speaker 7: can make some dangerous introads into certain states. And I

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Speaker 7: think that's that's hopefully something he kind of leans on

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Speaker 7: a little bit further along than the race.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the call. I agree completely. I've got

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Speaker 1: a stake bet with Buck. Buck will be back on

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Speaker 1: Tuesday of next week. He's out for this week with

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Speaker 1: his family. Be back on Tuesday, right after Labor Day.

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Speaker 1: I think Trump can get twenty five percent of the

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Speaker 1: black mail vote. And if you actually break down the

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Speaker 1: blackmail vote, it's not older blackmail voters that Trump's getting.

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Speaker 1: People who are in their sixties, the seventies, their eighties.

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Speaker 1: They are longtime Democrat voters, back to the civil rights

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Speaker 1: movement in many cases. But the youngest guys, those forty

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Speaker 1: and younger, it's very close to fifty to fifty, even

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Speaker 1: with Trump ahead among some black and Hispanic voters. When

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Speaker 1: you look at younger voters again, I talked about Trump's.

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Speaker 2: Winning eighteen to twenty nine year old men.

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Speaker 1: That never happens, never happens that a Republican candidate does

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Speaker 1: that well with young male voters. I think there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of reasons, but again, the challenge is on the

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Speaker 1: female voter side of the ledger, which is what Stephanie

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Speaker 1: in upstate New York is talking about. Hello, hey Stephanie,

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Speaker 1: you got a couple of twenty somethings.

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Speaker 4: You said, Yes, I have two daughters, twenty seven, twenty five.

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Speaker 4: I actually they're they lean Democrat. I actually got them

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Speaker 4: to start following Telsea Gabbicks back in the twenty twenty election.

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Speaker 4: My girls live in Montana and the Seattle area, and

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Speaker 4: I'm convincing them to vote for Trump hopefully.

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Speaker 1: So what's your primary pitch? We got a quick turn here,

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Speaker 1: We only got like a minute left. What's your primary pitch?

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Speaker 1: As a mom of a twenty seven and a twenty

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Speaker 1: five year old two girls.

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Speaker 4: Well, a lot of twenty something girls listen to podcasts.

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Speaker 4: They should listen to Tulsi's podcast. I actually sent my

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Speaker 4: girls the podcast that Trump did with Coo Vaughn.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, made a little.

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Speaker 4: Impression on them. And actually, my daughter that lives in Montana,

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Speaker 4: she has a friend that works on the Republican senator

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Speaker 4: campaign race out there, and she's helping me convince her too.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I'm glad you mentioned that Tim Sheehey

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Speaker 1: up now in Montana can flip control of the Senate.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you don't overlooked at Montana