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Speaker 1: schools like two thousand and nine all over again. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: we injured Dave Dominic playing basketball last night our Giants

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Speaker 1: basketball game him that would happened. He strained his calf.

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Speaker 1: Yes luckily it was nine achilles or anything like that,

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Speaker 1: we thank you for giving us a hand today with

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Speaker 1: the show. Of course, it's also the Giants charity golf

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Speaker 1: adding today. So a lot of people out of the

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Speaker 1: building working that up in Westchester, UM. So, a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff going on folks in the NFL, um things

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Speaker 1: around the league. We could talk about anything on your mind,

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Speaker 1: but there are kind of two questions that Paul and

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Speaker 1: I kind of sculped out today from different articles around

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Speaker 1: the internet that we thought were a little bit interesting

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Speaker 1: that we get touched on over the course of today's show,

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Speaker 1: and well, let's strow with yours. But I think it's

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Speaker 1: a little bit more specific to the Giants than mine. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Bleacher Report today put up a posting they wanted to

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Speaker 1: know who would be the breakout player this year for

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Speaker 1: each of the NFL's thirty two teams. Now, I think

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Speaker 1: the thing that kind of threw me for a loop

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Speaker 1: is that they said the guy for the Giants we're

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Speaker 1: gonna kick this off right at the top, was se

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Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley. And I have a problem with that because

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Speaker 1: he's a rookie, and I don't think a breakout player

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Speaker 1: can be a rookie. I think it's got to be

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Speaker 1: someone who has already put together some type of resume

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Speaker 1: he has a kick butt year and and for me,

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Speaker 1: that's what a breakout player is. But but they pick

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Speaker 1: se Kwon Barkley. And that's not to say that Barkley

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Speaker 1: is not gonna have a dramatic impact on this team.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he will, But the question wasn't who's going

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Speaker 1: to be the most impactful player. The question was who's

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Speaker 1: gonna be the biggest breakout guy? Yeah, and and that's

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Speaker 1: the problem to me too. In order for a player

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Speaker 1: set in which to break out from. We don't know

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Speaker 1: how is he going to break out when he doesn't

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Speaker 1: even have a baseline level. So let's push that aside

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Speaker 1: and talk about who we think the breakout players might be.

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Speaker 1: And to me, I think there are two guys that

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Speaker 1: you want to talk about here. Um And obviously breakout

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Speaker 1: because it's a scheme change and maybe it'll it'll advantage somebody,

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna stick on the offensive side of the

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Speaker 1: ball myself. And I came down to two guys that

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Speaker 1: I like for the Giants breakout player this year. Stirling Shepherd,

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Speaker 1: who had a really good rookie year and last year

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Speaker 1: my second player, and I think this is who I'm

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Speaker 1: a rookie year where he played well, by his own admission,

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Speaker 1: But to me, in this offense with say Kwon Barkley

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Speaker 1: Being a big play threat and both being matchup nightmares,

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Speaker 1: Evan England. If you even lined up as an inline

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Speaker 1: He's gonna create a lot of mismatches. So I think

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Speaker 1: in this offense with Pat Charmer, I think Evan Ingram

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's a bad pick at all. John,

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Speaker 1: when we discussed it this morning, I offered Jodowlin Tomlinson

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Speaker 1: I think Tomlinson is going to wind up being a

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Speaker 1: I just I really I feel very good about him.

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Speaker 1: Now here's the problem with it, just because I know

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Speaker 1: Some people might not notice it, but yeah, I could

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Speaker 1: another guy I think could be a breakout performer for

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Speaker 1: And so I think redd Ellison is going to be

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Speaker 1: a much more productive player. Now. Does that qualify him

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Speaker 1: I do think he should have more of a role

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Speaker 1: even Ben McAdoo said, this guy might be the best

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go here just to find Ellison And where

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Speaker 1: mean even Roger Lewis played a higher percentage of snaps

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Speaker 1: but red Allison to me was significantly underutilized. And that's

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Speaker 1: see darry and Thompson have a breakout year at safety

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Speaker 1: over someone to have a breakout year at safety next

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Speaker 1: all right around the league, real quickly breakout players thought

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Uh. Sidney Jones, the quarterback out of Washington,

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Speaker 1: old fellas you know, I mean old school guys. A

428
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,959
Speaker 1: lot of our younger fans that are listening to Don

429
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: ro trying to give him more modern com I know,

430
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 1: I know, I understand, but I'm always gonna favorite the

431
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 1: old guys. It's just I just I think in terms

432
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,439
Speaker 1: of style, it makes a good point because really does

433
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 1: like to bounce and things like that makes sense. Here's

434
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 1: by the way, mccoit was real pain in the butt.

435
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 1: He still is. You know. It's funny. He's one of

436
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 1: those guys that I thought might kind of tail off

437
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,880
Speaker 1: quicker because a lot of times you you rely on bouncing,

438
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 1: speeding quickness, you'll decline a little bit quicker. He's that

439
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 1: a heck of a job, man. I mean, he's probably

440
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 1: going on what is ninth the year now, Lashaw McCoy,

441
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,199
Speaker 1: and he is still one. And he's staying healthy too.

442
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 1: It's not like he's missing seven eight games a year.

443
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna be a whole famer could baby by

444
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: the time he's done. Probably all right. This is a

445
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: question of the defense, Paul, Do you think bet your

446
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 1: game will try to match JPPS production with players like

447
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,400
Speaker 1: Carter and Martin, etcetera. This mentality reminds me of Billy

448
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 1: Bean's moneyball approach, trying to match batting production with less

449
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: expensive products. Your thoughts, Uh, it's an interesting comparison to

450
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,919
Speaker 1: pull up the billy beat billy bean baseball philosophy, and

451
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 1: that is a don the falco. By the way, Sorry,

452
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: I don't think it has anything to do with the

453
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 1: bean philosophy because the bean philosophy also equates and puts

454
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 1: the economy into the package. And I don't think. I

455
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 1: don't think Betcher gives two hoots about economy. Betcher is

456
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: all about confusion. He's about not showing any trends. He's

457
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 1: about making sure that you dictate to the other guy

458
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 1: across the lot of scrimmage, what what he's going to

459
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 1: be able to do based on the stuff you're gonna

460
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: throw at him, and you're gonna make him overthink um.

461
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: To me, it's more that than it is looking at

462
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: the economy value and looking at the uh collective stats

463
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: of a particular group of players and saying they're gonna

464
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: have to replace what JPP did. I just think it's

465
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 1: a philosophical thing more than it is a particular fit.

466
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 1: One of their se quon comp for from Ben Gruin.

467
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: He brings up both Jackson and this is a it's

468
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 1: been portingt here, he says, not in run style, but

469
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: in terms of size. Plush freakings speed at that size,

470
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: and I think in terms of an elite athlete, sure

471
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: compared to bat, but not the way that two guys run.

472
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Speaker 1: As he points out, I don't remember exactly what Bo

473
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: Jackson ran, So let me see if I can find

474
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Speaker 1: guarantee he was one of the best athletes of his era.

475
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: Whatever is combined numbers and other things. What did they run?

476
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: What did he run? Let's say Bo Jackson ran? Uh,

477
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: there's a story here, Oh man, hed, what do you

478
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: want to Jackson read a four one two. Online sources

479
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 1: said Jackson red a four one two with the combine,

480
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: then noticed the national invitation. Okay, not even the combined

481
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: yet four one two. And the problem the problem is

482
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: it was it was unconfirmed, and they're saying that it's

483
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: not official. But many reporters, including Dave Rafo, who I

484
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: knew from up I from many many many years. He

485
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: covered boxing and a lot of other sports. Uh, you know,

486
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: four two is pretty good. Let me story about Dion.

487
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: He he ran the forty wearing remember those old like

488
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: super colorful fresh Prince jackets, and he wore one on

489
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: one of those and they said, damn, why did you

490
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: wear the jacket when you're in your forty He said, Oh,

491
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: it's like a parachute so I can stop at the

492
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 1: end of the run. Um to other two to me,

493
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: I said, I want to get too real quick. We

494
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: talked about um Eric Flowers and how his pressure is allowed.

495
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 1: According to Profobile, focus has gone down contently over the

496
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: past couple of years, and Hory could all points out,

497
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: and I think that's a good point from him that

498
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: Eli Manning's two point four second release time probably last

499
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: year getting at getting the ball out quicker. Probably it's

500
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: a to do with the reduced number of pressures lad

501
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 1: And I think that's probably a fair point. Yeah, but

502
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: here's the thing about that, Uh, Eli's release time is

503
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 1: going to across the board philosophical change that they made

504
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 1: because the entire line was not as good as they

505
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: wanted it to be. It wasn't specifically designed the Flowers absolutely,

506
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: But I think it's fair to say though that Eli

507
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: probably got rid of the bull quicker last year than

508
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: he did the two prior seasons. Yeah, I'm sure that's

509
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 1: the case. And I didn't clock any of that. I

510
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: would be interested to know um and and I have. Again,

511
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 1: I have the sack numbers. I don't have the pressure

512
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: numbers that they keep. I would think there's a chance

513
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 1: that Flowers didn't even have a team high in pressures.

514
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked if there was someone else on

515
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: the team who allowed more, for example, Bobby Hart, and

516
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: I will check that. Let me go to our next call.

517
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: Let's go to coach Marvin and Delaware online too, Mr Shah,

518
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 1: Coach Marvin, what's up? How are you doing? Guys? What's up? Guy? Hey?

519
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: Just come to give my breakout season go ahead? Give

520
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 1: up my players for the breakout season. And uh, I'm

521
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: more of an underdog guy. My two guys that I

522
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: wanted the defense and one the offense. I might think

523
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm crazy, but I believe in both of these guys

524
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: that they could turn it around. The first one is

525
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 1: Eli Apple. I think, uh, Heli does have man skills.

526
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: So you have to do is turn that around in

527
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: the ball more. But I almost I don't disagree that.

528
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: I almost think that's more of a comeback season than

529
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: it would be a breakout because we saw him play

530
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: really well at the end of his rookie year. You

531
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I thought he should have been

532
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: an all rookie pick in the league. Quite frankly, he

533
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: played extremely well. He lived up to his potential as

534
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: a number one pick. So I'm with John on that.

535
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: I'd say if you wanted to put him in the

536
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: comeback category, I'd be more inclined to do so. I

537
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 1: kind of like, I can kind of agree with you.

538
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say you wrong, but I still say

539
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: it because it was his rookie year. He had a

540
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: good year. Now I'm talking to breakout year. You're gonna

541
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: see something that was better. I believe that would be

542
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: better than his rookie year. So that's why I kind

543
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Speaker 1: of categorize them as a breakout year. But I can

544
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: understand where you're coming from saying as a comeback. But

545
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: I would glad to see him do a lot better.

546
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: He didn't play the ball too well, but he does

547
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: play man very well, so I'd like to see that,

548
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: okay improvement and the other ones might knock some people

549
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: stocks off a little bit, but I think this is

550
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: the this is the time. I think Eric Flowers coming

551
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: in with it may come in with a different attitude.

552
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: He showed up this week, and I think we already

553
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: you already talked about it yesterday about him improving. I

554
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: think breakout seasons for Eric this is money times. Sometimes

555
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: when money time comes, these guys all of a sudden

556
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: start playing. So he wouldn't be the first guy who

557
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: did very well in the final year of a contract.

558
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: And coach, just remember he's we can talk about it.

559
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: He's got and we talked about it going to last season.

560
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: We thought it could be a huge, huge step for him.

561
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: I think it ended up being a much much smaller

562
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: step than a lot of people have hoped. Um. Yeah,

563
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: but we'll help Hope to come out and have a

564
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: chance to do it and you have a chance to

565
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: win the job. We'll see what he does. But this way, coach,

566
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: he will have a big old opportunity to be the

567
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: guy that he needs to be. There's no question about that,

568
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: just like the last three years, no doubt right right.

569
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I think he got uh you know,

570
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: he got an agent in his corner. That you mean

571
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: he could be a little controversy back in this time,

572
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: but I think it would be an agent that can

573
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: light a fire rounder my little bit different coaching staff

574
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: as far as the offensive line, and you know, again,

575
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: this is really a proven year for his career. He's

576
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: got to come out and I think he's gonna come

577
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: out and he's gonna he's gonna prove. I'm not saying

578
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: there's all star, but you're gonna see it. Definitely improvement.

579
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: We'll see that good. Appreciate it, Appreciate the go buddy, Johnny.

580
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: Only think I would say that that definitely has changed

581
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: with Eric Flowers is now dru Ro's and Houses representing him.

582
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: He now has an official NFL agent doing so instead

583
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: of being handled by a family member and Drew Rosenhouse.

584
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: For whatever you think about him, he's a very smart businessman.

585
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: He's a professional, and he is a professional, and he

586
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. And if if he is able

587
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: to get through to Eric Flowers and understand that he

588
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: can only enhance his value by coming in and playing well,

589
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: that that potentially could be a voice that does turn

590
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: around Uh flowers career. I agree. Um. By the way,

591
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: Eric Flowers played more snaps than any other Giants offensive

592
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: lineman last year. For one, he played a thousand snaps,

593
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: he allowed twenty seven pressures, Bobby Hart in just five

594
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: and twenty three snaps on the only half allowed three.

595
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. So even though it was too less, the

596
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: rate was obviously much higher, I believe it or not.

597
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: Pew In just four to thirty six snaps actually allowed twenty.

598
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: Remember he was at a right tackle that in between

599
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: his injuries to Hiss in the year, and he wasn't

600
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: so to the number out there. Here's the one of

601
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: the really interesting one for you. Just looking at the

602
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus grading here, keep in mind their grades

603
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: are cumulative, so the more of your positive gaming game out,

604
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: the more your grades gonna go up. They stack, you

605
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So if you're a plus one

606
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: for five Stree games, you have a plus five grade

607
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: for the year. That's kind of how it works. Just

608
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 1: so you just understand when I ask the question, who

609
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: do you think the highest graded Giants player was on

610
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: offense last year? Probably Sterling Shepherd. He was the third highest.

611
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: Two guys better than him number one, and it was

612
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: a blowout. It wasn't close. They had like Brett Jones,

613
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: Brett Jones, they were not They're not as big on

614
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: Brett Jones. But it's one of your guys though, Red Ellison. Okay,

615
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: because it was run blocking that was in the number

616
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: one grade on the Giants offense because of the extent,

617
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: and he had the best run block grade in the

618
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: whole team, better than any offensive line and a gentleman

619
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: who was not nearly utilized as often as he should have.

620
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: Just thrown it out there four or five one three.

621
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: I got a bad feeling about this. Hellelujah losing his mind.

622
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: Mr Illness, I am happy. Charlie in Portland, Maine is

623
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: up next, Hight Charlie. Hey, Paul, Hey John, it's good. Hey.

624
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: I got a breakout player and a breakdown player. Breakdown player,

625
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: of course you have the breakdown player. Let's let's start positive, okay,

626
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: all right. I think the breakout player is actually going

627
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: to be Mr Dion, Mr diminutive cornerback. I think he's

628
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: gonna actually stick on the fifty three, and I think

629
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: he's gonna play really well in the slot and whatever

630
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: we need him. I think the guy's got the attitude,

631
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: and I just think he needs a chance to show it,

632
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: and hopefully they'll give him the opportunity. He says, our

633
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: cornerback situation is a little weak. Hopefully. Uh. I just

634
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: think he's gonna he's gonna have a breakout here. I

635
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: just noticed you notice that Charlie and Dave Gentleman say

636
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: kind of back almost the same way. I will say this, Charlie,

637
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: Donte Dion could really help himself an awful lot because

638
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: you know, Grant Haley from Penn State, one of the

639
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: undrafted rookie free agents who came in here, is also

640
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: five nine and to me, only one five nine corner

641
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: is gonna make this team. You're not gonna have to

642
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: five nine guys. It just doesn't make enough sense with

643
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: the size of this league. So the first thing that

644
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: Dante Dean's gotta do is win that spot because Haley

645
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: is gonna try to challenge him. Now, Special Teams is

646
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: gonna be a big deal there because the guy who's

647
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: really kicking butt in put and kickoff coverage, you know,

648
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: maybe the guy who gets a leg up on that spot,

649
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: then you can start talking about what he might do

650
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: in the sub package. But let's let's see it happens

651
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: in that special team's battle between those two guys. And

652
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: they also gave Gray I think his name is great,

653
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: the guy you're just talking about the signing moment, so

654
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: they think, yeah, yeah, the guy from Pennas State. Uh,

655
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: my breakdown player, it's gonna be Mr Eric Flowers. Now,

656
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if Health Hunter, I mean Mr Hunter

657
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: has any here, because if he does, he incle to

658
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: have any when he's you know, because he's got to

659
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: pull it all out because there's no way. Look, remember

660
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: what a coach across he said, He said, the offensive

661
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: line is like five stingers in up for like a glove,

662
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: and if you have one missing, the whole glove is useless.

663
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: We can't go into this season with four great players,

664
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: are good players on the offensive line, and then have

665
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: someone terrible as our right tackle. So they've got to

666
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: address that. They have to find somebody who is adequate

667
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: saw all its right tackle or good or the whole

668
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: money that we gave Solder, the you know, the rookie

669
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: we brought in Hernandez ain't gonna make a bit of different.

670
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask I'm gonna ask you to be patient

671
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: here for just a second, because we all understand that

672
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: the Giant's right tackle spot is going to need to

673
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: be better this season. No one is going to dispute that,

674
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: whether or not it's Flowers, Wheeler or somebody else who

675
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: we haven't even talked about. That's not relevant here. What

676
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: is relevant is that the spot gets better now. The

677
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: right side. It didn't work much last year, and partially

678
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 1: because red Ellison did not play enough snaps, so Bobby

679
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: hard As he was drowning over there, he wasn't getting

680
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: much help. We know what kind of block or red

681
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: Ellison is. He came here with a really good reputation.

682
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: Red Ellison's gonna be on top of the right shoulder

683
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: of the right tackle this year a heck of a

684
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: lot more than he was last season, which means he

685
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: will be helping with combo blocks, with blocks off the edge,

686
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: and that right tackle doesn't necessarily have to be this

687
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: high on the charts. He's just gotta be okay because

688
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: red Ellison will help him to keep that in mind. Okay, please, no,

689
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: I understand that, but I just hate having to have

690
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: a babysitter for a guy that is just adequate. You know,

691
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: I think we need to get somebody bye bye June

692
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: when the mandatories happen, because as you all know, the

693
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: offensive line needs syncopatient and they need to be in sync,

694
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: and you can't bring somebody in on the September one

695
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: cuts to do that. But I hope they bring in

696
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: a veteran for a mandatory just to compete. If he

697
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: doesn't wint it out, fine, but we got to bring

698
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: somebody else to compete because right now we just have

699
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: Flowers and Wheeler and and you said Gates is going

700
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: to be its guard. So the only other guy is

701
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: the guy from Missouri who is a project. So they

702
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: have to bring in that and that he's got to

703
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: understand that he's smart enough to know that. You know what,

704
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: I very see you. The gentleman's radar is on the

705
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: lookout for anybody who could help the competition at that spot. Paul,

706
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: what are the three toughest positions to find in the NFL? Quarterback,

707
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: defensive end, offensive tackle? Three toughest ones to find that

708
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: today's NFL. You can't find pass rushers on the street.

709
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: You can't find offensive especially at a bargain. You can't

710
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: find quarterbacks on the street. You can't. But but again,

711
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: really hard. Please Charlie understand Allison will be viewed at

712
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: I believe as more of an extension of that offensive

713
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: line this year, just like Howard Cross was talk to

714
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: Howard about this. You know. I don't you remember when

715
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: Howard was in his prime, Howard block Reggie White on

716
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: his own if he asked him. Howard Cross was was

717
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: one of the best pure blocking tight ends the NFL

718
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: has seen him. If you if he was coming out

719
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: and I love Howard old jokes aside, if he was

720
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: coming out in the draft today, he probably wouldn't be

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00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 1: a tight end. He being an offensive tackle. Yeah, honest,

722
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: not even I I get you watch Howard walked through

723
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: the cafeteria. He looks a lot more like the offensive

724
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: tackles here than he does. But but especially the last

725
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: few years when Howard was here, you know that the

726
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: deal was Parcels basically made him an extension of the

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00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: offensive line, and so in effect you had five and

728
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: a half, if you will, offensive lineman on every play.

729
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: Howard not a half anything. By the way, this is true,

730
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to slide him. But the point remains.

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00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: Count Allison as half of an offensive lineman on the

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00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: shoulder of the right tackle, which means, by the way, Charlie,

733
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: when you said you know, adequate is not good enough,

734
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 1: actually adequate is good enough from the right tackle spot.

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00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: If that's the weakest link on your line. How many

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00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: teams in the NFL would like to say that the

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00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: weakest link on their line is just adequate. That would

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00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: actually be very good. Well, it depends how you look

739
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: at adequate. If you consider adequate average, then yeah, that's great.

740
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: But I think if the Giants, I think that the

741
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: Giants could sign up for an average performance out of

742
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: their league average tackle this year. I think they absolutely

743
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: absolutely Let's go to Ricky Tampa. He's up next, rick

744
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: Line too. How are you, buddy, guys? How are you? Guys?

745
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: Were good so well, you know, first time calling in

746
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 1: since the draft and everything, and I mean breakout player,

747
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: you know, just the time in on that. I believe

748
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: what you guys said. Evan Ingram, I think that would

749
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: be the case as well. I think he's doing for

750
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: a big year with this offense. But two quick points.

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00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: One regarding the draft, um, I mean love everything about

752
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: the draft. And regarding Eli, love Eli. Eli doesn't have

753
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: to be superstar Eli of the past. He just has

754
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: to be good with the offensive weapons he's got. I'm

755
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: excited for the way he's gonna play, and I think

756
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: he just has to be out there, play smart and

757
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna if They're gonna score a lot of points. Yeah, Rick,

758
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: I would say the word for Eli this year is efficient.

759
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: He needs to he needs to not make mistakes and

760
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: be accurate, throw a ball where it has to go,

761
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: and let guys make plays for him. That's it, right,

762
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: exactly exactly now. Regarding and I'm not too concerned about

763
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: I think they made good a good uh signings. And

764
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 1: I think the offensive line is gonna be is gonna

765
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: be good this year. It's gonna be good enough. It's

766
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: gonna be good. I'm excited about that. But I think

767
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: you just brought it up. I think the problem that

768
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: we didn't address is gonna be a problem is defensive end,

769
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: a pass rusher, somebody for sacks. We don't really have that.

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00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: And I think if we can't get to the quarterback

771
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: consistently we haven't in the past. I mean Vernon, you know,

772
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: he's great and stuff, but he's not a true defensive end.

773
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: And where do you see that's gonna come from for

774
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: the team on the defensive side, because I think that's

775
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: the part that we really don't have a number one

776
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: defensive end. Look, I think Vernon is a real good

777
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: quality defensive end. Pass rusher, And now is he gonna

778
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: is he gonna give you those eighteen sacks or seventeen

779
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: sacks that you know? Von Miller will get you a

780
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 1: clear MacNell he's not gonna that high, but he'll he'll

781
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: give you borderline double digits. He'll give you around ten

782
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: if you look at his career average, you know, somewhere

783
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: between eight and ten based on what he's done over

784
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,959
Speaker 1: the course of his career. But the question is who's

785
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: the other guy? Um, and when you're number one guy,

786
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: isn't a von Miller or Clill Mackin needs to be

787
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: more of a team effort. You know another guy that's

788
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: gonna give you, you know, let's say seven to nine

789
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: or six to eight and on the other side or

790
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: eight to twelve. And I think right now it's going

791
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: to be a bit of a pass rush by committee

792
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: for lack of a better turn. I think Creed Martin

793
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: will get some shots there. I think Avery mouls will

794
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: gets some shots there. I think rookie Lorenzo Carter, we'll

795
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: get some shots there. And they'll run different guys defensive pick.

796
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: The excuse me, don't you think that they're defensive pick

797
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: in the draft? After they took Trent in the lignement

798
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: should have been a defensive end pass rusher, not the

799
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: way they went. I think it was a quarterback or linebacker.

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00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 1: Carter is I think I think you have to expand

801
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: your thinking a little bit and don't look at in

802
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 1: bet your's defense, you need a defensive end to rush

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00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: the passer. Carter is a pass rusher. He's he's an

804
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: edge player. And I think that's kind of the hybrid

805
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: term that's been thrown around in the draft the last

806
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: few years. Were you not really looking at, oh, he's

807
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 1: a defensive end, he's a three four outside linebacker. He's

808
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: an edge rusher. You're in um nickel and sub package

809
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: eighty you know, sevent of the time now, and he

810
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: will be a guy either rushing from a stand up

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00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: position or have his hand in the dirt as a

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00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: pass rusher in sub package. So to me, that's your

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00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: pass rusher in the draft, even though he might not

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00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: be your traditional quote unquote defensive end. You know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. Okay, alright, alright, that was just the one concern.

816
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: But I'm looking forward to this this this uh, this

817
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: this season, and I don't want to skip summer. I

818
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: don't want to skip the baseball and everything that we're

819
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: going on now. But I can't wait. I can't wait

820
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: till they start uh training and they're ready to go,

821
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: because I'm excited for what this team is gonna do

822
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: this season. So I'm looking forward to and keep up

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00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: the work. Great show as usual. Thank you, buddy. Hey,

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00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: if you want to call the talk Yankee baseball, we

825
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: can do that. Um So, yeah, I I agree in

826
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: in in basic principle of what John said about the sacks.

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Speaker 1: But let me reverse the questioning for a moment. He

828
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: was asking about Eli. One of the reasons why all

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00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: of these quarterback rankings and efficiency stats are saying that

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00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: Eli really had a subpar down year last year is

831
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Speaker 1: because when you look at his touchdown their deception ratio,

832
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: and you look at his average yards per attempt and reception,

833
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: those stats were way way down, of course, but his

834
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: completion percentage was not. He was getting rid of the

835
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: ball quick enough and one of the quickest releases in

836
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: the game because he needed to be. And so here's

837
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 1: the deal. Look at the receivers he had the throat

838
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: to all year. Is it any wonder that his touchdown

839
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: past numbers were down. Is it any wonder that his

840
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: yards per attempt and yards per catch were down? There

841
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: wasn't anybody on his team outside of Evan Ingram and

842
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 1: sometimes Sterling Shepard who would get at a yardage after

843
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,959
Speaker 1: a catch. What do we say? What do we say?

844
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: I asked you this straight out to me, So those

845
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: guys cripple his number, shod I asked you two weeks ago, Paul,

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00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: and I that's what I said to him. Eli has

847
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,479
Speaker 1: got everything he could ever want this year. He does.

848
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: See how he does. The proof is in the pudding

849
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: um a couple other tweets real quick from its shimmering

850
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: in here. He wonders about the transition for Flowers from

851
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: left to right tackle, and he quotes Brian Baldinger, try

852
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: brushing your teeth with your left hand if you're right handed,

853
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: and see how it goes. So and I don't think

854
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: that should be underplayed. He hasn't played right tackle since

855
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: his freshman year in Miami. That now would be five

856
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 1: years ago, and it's gonna be an adjustment. So look,

857
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: I think Wheeler, and he expects Wheeler to win that job.

858
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: I think Wheeler has got a shot at it. I

859
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: think Obviously, Flowers is a more gifted athlete. That's why

860
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: he was a first round pick obviously, And we'll see

861
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: if he can make that adjudgment and improve his technique

862
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: on that side enough where he can beat out Wheeler

863
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: for the job and he'll have a chance to compete.

864
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: That's kind of what we've been talking about. Well, you know,

865
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: I do think that at this point in time, if

866
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: Eric Hours has been reading the papers, and undoubtedly he has,

867
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: he understands that that's where he's going to be. So

868
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: whatever workouts he's been doing on his own down in Florida,

869
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: I would like to believe that he has been training

870
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 1: as a right tackle. I don't know that you would

871
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 1: hope so which you know, he's not coming in here,

872
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: I don't think cold turkey. I'd like to believe that

873
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: he has. He has been training at right tackle. And

874
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 1: by the way, in two thousand and twelve, you mentioned

875
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: when he played the right tackle at Miami played all

876
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: twelve of his games at right tackle at the University

877
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: of Miami in two thousand twelve, made four starts as

878
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: a true freshman right Okay, so it's not like he

879
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: hasn't done it before. It was five years ago. You know, yeah,

880
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: he I think he knows left and right. I think

881
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: he gets it. Let's go back to the phone at

882
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: two one three Live three Marquez out in California. Good morning, Marquez.

883
00:44:54,920 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: How are you go? As I was written on the phone,

884
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: like a couple of more points guys UM talked about.

885
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: So that's all right, what mardcast, whatever you want to

886
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: talk about, We're here for you, all right. So right now,

887
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 1: I'm just very excited to see the defensor scheme from

888
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: James Becher, just because it's like a new revamped defense.

889
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 1: We've been in four three for the last with ten

890
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: plus years, you know what I mean. So now I

891
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: get to see a new defensive scheme at three four

892
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: that's gonna put guys like Olivia Brendon, like a couple

893
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: of guys I was class rushers defensive vans has not

894
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: been changed to linebacker, which is exciting for me. You know,

895
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: I've been hitting Olivier Brendon. You know, they were trying

896
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 1: to say he's gonna have James Betcher said he might

897
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: have a breakout year like Chandler Jones, you know in Arizona.

898
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: So hearing things like that gets me excited to see

899
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: you know that the defense is gonna look pretty much,

900
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: you know, a little different this year. Yeah. Look, I

901
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: think the new schemes exciting. Um. I think in the

902
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: modern day NFL it's a lot easier in the draft

903
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: to find three four players and it is four three

904
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: players simply because three four, in my opinion, is the

905
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: dominant scheme in college right now. Um. I think it

906
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: also allows me to be a lot more flexible how

907
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: you move people around. Um, more versatile players. I like it. Um.

908
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: And another thing, well, um, the Nickel Konner position right now.

909
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's kind of early to say,

910
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: but who do you guys think? You know a couple

911
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: of guys I can go ahead and throw that void

912
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: for us because d r C I feel would have

913
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: been a big impact in this new scheme. Yeah. Well,

914
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: William Gay is number one, the veteran from Pittsburgh, and

915
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: and you know, I still think that Donte Dion has

916
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,959
Speaker 1: a shot to win that job. But Hailey was brought

917
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: in as well as a bunch of four or five,

918
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to call them journeyman

919
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: or not. You veterans have experienced players who have been

920
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: brought in off of of other other teams to try

921
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: to win us bot. I mean, I don't you know,

922
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: it's kind of up in the air right now. I

923
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: think Gay has the inside track though, to be the

924
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: slide corner. I don't think there's any doubt about that

925
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: beyond that. Thank you, Mark the Cornerston John. Yeah, and

926
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: that's why that was one of our targets in the draft.

927
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: But it's funny going through the draft, we picked out

928
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: a couple offensive tackles we thought might be a fit,

929
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: and again we were looking more in need than we

930
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: were at the board per se. But corner was of

931
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: the position. But we never really got to a spot

932
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: where he thought the best player left was a cornerback. No,

933
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: the best argument could have been made actually at the

934
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: top of the second round, but both of us like

935
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: turn Into so much it was hard to go away

936
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: from him. I wasn't passing on hog Molly, but Mike

937
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: us was there and it was there. Do you agree

938
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: that was probably the best shot if you were thinking

939
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: about value matching need, that would have been the best

940
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: spot in retrospect. They would have had to really do

941
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: it in round two, but again really wanted to but

942
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: the offensive line was just ate too much of a priority,

943
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: and be Hernandez had a first round grade on exactly

944
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: Pete and stand Out online for What's up? Pete? Hold on?

945
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: What's up? Hi? Hold on one second? I want to

946
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: take it speaker. I appreciate that. That's a good idea.

947
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: I like that. It means you've been paying attention. They're

948
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: very good. What's up, Pete? I'm working at the same time.

949
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: I can't do though things at the same time. Anyway. Uh,

950
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: you know before I want you to take this esterday

951
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: I told you I was gonna look at Nick Gates,

952
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: all right, Yes, um, a couple of games. The first

953
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: game I went through, it didn't like it all be

954
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: the the Ohio State game is a bad game. You

955
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: do not want to look at that. He had a

956
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: lot of problems in my Yeah, well, I'm listening. You

957
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: gotta look at everything. I know. I know you know.

958
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: So you can't just say, oh, look at him. You know. Well,

959
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: here's what I would say, though, when you look at it, guys,

960
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: When you look at guys, one of the reasons why

961
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: you want to look at some of their better games

962
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: is because us at least you see that he's got

963
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: the capability to do some of those things. If you

964
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: just look and I you're right, you want to look

965
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 1: at it at a full scope of what the guy

966
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: you still see, you do you do. But the point

967
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 1: is if you just wind up looking at games where

968
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: he didn't do so well, then you really haven't seen

969
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: any sense of what is potent. Want both? Want you do?

970
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: You do? Want both? But yes, down and of course

971
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 1: you know when you're going up against the Ohio State,

972
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: of course you're going against you know, top of the

973
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: line guy. Yeah, which is what you really want to see.

974
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: And you know, but I had an open line and

975
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: I said, let me take a walk. Yeah, six seven.

976
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 1: He's like a little short. He's like a thirty two

977
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: one like to night. You know, for a tackle, you

978
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: really should be somewhere between thirty two to thirty five.

979
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:52,479
Speaker 1: He's a guard day. He's going to be a guard

980
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: in this league. That's that's what he has. He's gonna

981
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: be a guard in the NFL. Yeah, and I think

982
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: right guard. I think, you know, go ahead, no I

983
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: I I don't want to box him into right or

984
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: left guard. But I will say this, if there's any

985
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 1: chance at all of him gaining some bulk and size

986
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 1: and power, maybe he could get away at right tackle,

987
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: because if he's able to lock up on guys quickly

988
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: and use his power, he might be able to counter

989
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: some of their speed, which could then camouflage some of

990
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: his lack of footwork. So I would say, I'm not

991
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: sure which guard he's gonna play, but I think for sure,

992
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: if he's to take any snaps at right tackle in

993
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: the league, he's gonna have to get stronger, and it

994
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: would be on the right side. That's my analysis of him.

995
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: He's the only thing I didn't like coming out it

996
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: was coming out of hisself coming out of the stands um,

997
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: he came out a little high. That was the only

998
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 1: thing that I saw, And I picked that up kind

999
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: of in the tense state game. Right maybe, but maybe

1000
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: it was only because he was going against the player

1001
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: that looked like an outside linebacker. I I I equated

1002
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: to the style of blocker he is. There are different

1003
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: styles of offensive lineman, okay. And and what what my

1004
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: veteran personnel guys said to me is he gave me

1005
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: the perfect name for it, and I didn't know what

1006
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 1: the name was for. I. I called him a dancer,

1007
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: because what he'll do is he'll shadow a guy get

1008
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: in front of him, and he'll give ground. He'll yield ground,

1009
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: but he won't let the guy through to make the play.

1010
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: So I said to my guy, I was a describing

1011
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 1: as to when he goes, oh, that's that's a wall

1012
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,959
Speaker 1: off blocker, I said, I don't remember hearing that before

1013
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: he goes that's what he does. He walls guys off.

1014
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: He gets in the way, impedes them. He's not driving them,

1015
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: he's not anchoring and standing them up. He's just getting

1016
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: in the way enough that the defender can't make the play,

1017
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: which is the wall off. What you see from tight

1018
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: ends a lot and the yes, you do, John, that's

1019
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: a very good point. That's what Gates showed to me.

1020
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: He's a wall off blocker, and wall off blockers will

1021
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: commonly get caught too high because if they're gonna be lower,

1022
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: they're probably gonna be drive blockers, which, by the way,

1023
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: you know a wall off guy is not ideal from

1024
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: a guard. By the way, again again, you know he's

1025
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: gonna need to gain power so that he can be

1026
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: a little bit more of an anchor blocker or more

1027
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: of a drive blocker. He doesn't have that strength and

1028
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: power right now to do that, which is why he's

1029
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: more of a wall off guy. I think he's definite

1030
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: practice squad material in my mind. I'm not speaking for

1031
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: this team, but I do think he's got potential to

1032
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: make an NFL fifty three strong potential to make an

1033
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: NFL fifty three at least as a backup. Okay, I

1034
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: got that now. I just wanted to say one thing

1035
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: about what you guys were talking about yesterday when you

1036
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: were talking about Eric Flowers and um, you know, as

1037
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: far as his uh, you know, being a little bit

1038
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: more pro fishing yet last year UM in his UM

1039
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: pass blocking and I you know, John you had made

1040
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: a point. I think poses too was the the scheme

1041
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,959
Speaker 1: of play the way we you know, I mean, Eil

1042
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: I had no time he had to get rid of

1043
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: the ball. I mean it was one to three con

1044
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: you know. So I don't know how uh pro football

1045
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,760
Speaker 1: focus UM goes up you know what makes their numbers.

1046
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: But if you go off the fact that Eli had

1047
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: to get rid of the ball in two or three seconds,

1048
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: naturally he's not going to have that many pressures UM

1049
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 1: and and and of course it's great or Flowers great

1050
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,479
Speaker 1: might be a little bit better. You follow what I'm saying, Well,

1051
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: he I think this is how they do it. I

1052
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: think what they'll do want to play like if they

1053
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: see Flowers get beat but and he thanks for the call,

1054
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. If they see Flowers get beat but

1055
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: Eli gets the ball out, I still think that's a

1056
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,439
Speaker 1: negatively graded player for Flowers. I might not count as

1057
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: a pressure or hurry on his stat less because it

1058
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: wasn't technically a pressure or hurry, But I believe the

1059
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: way they do it. So if you see Eli Flowers

1060
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: make a bad block but the balls out already, it

1061
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: doesn't affect the play. He'll still get great and negatively

1062
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: on that play because he didn't block well on the play.

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00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: That's how I think it's done. Yeah. I don't know

1064
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: how they define all of their parameters, but I would

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00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: say this based on the numbers you told us, the

1066
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: percentage of pressures allowed per snap. It sounded like I

1067
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: didn't do the math as you were saying it that

1068
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: Heart and Pew were actually worse than Flowers. Was No,

1069
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: it was based on ratio, absolutely right, Based on percentage

1070
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: of pressures allowed per snap they were, they were worse,

1071
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,720
Speaker 1: and Heart was almost twice as bad. He was twenty

1072
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 1: and four thirty six. Heart was twenty five and five.

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00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: Three snaps. I mean, so I was one. I mean, yeah,

1074
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: let's let's let's you know, and and and that, and

1075
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: why do I go to that? Because those numbers are

1076
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: now equated across the board. You're not talking about interpretation.

1077
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: You're simply saying they've applied the same rule to every player,

1078
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 1: and their numbers are significantly worse than Flowers. Now, yeah,

1079
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: that's hurry. If you count quarterback hits, Peeling allowed one

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00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: quarterback hit Flowers aloud eat, So then that brings the

1081
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,479
Speaker 1: ratio a little bit more. Well, now you're gonna start

1082
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: interpreting grades. But well again loudly. You know, that's a

1083
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: plus seven in Flowers calm there as opposed to you know,

1084
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 1: I had um. I'll give you a good example for sacks. Flowers.

1085
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 1: I had given up five sacks of the thirty four,

1086
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: which for me was the team high. Okay, but then again,

1087
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: you look at the amount of snaps he played. All right,

1088
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: I had John Jerry given up three and a half.

1089
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: I had heard given up three and a half. I

1090
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: had given up three. I had team sacks, which is

1091
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: very interesting. Team sacks means the quarterback held the ball.

1092
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: I had Eli given up five sacks on his own

1093
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: by holding the ball too long. Covered sacks, covered sacks,

1094
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: and I had I had a Geno smith given up

1095
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: a up with the covered sacks in the Oakland game.

1096
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 1: So team sacks was seven, which was actually the highest

1097
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: responsibility for sacks. I don't know there PF two team sack.

1098
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: They do not. Oh really, well, I think it's a

1099
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: very subjective thing. It's always subjective. It's always subjective. Let

1100
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: that be a lesson to your folks. Because there is

1101
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 1: such a thing as team sacks. Coaches do look for that.

1102
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: Interesting How PF doesn't do that, Wow, that is interesting

1103
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: to me. I can't believe they wouldn't do that. Well,

1104
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: I think if if a player allows a sack, that

1105
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: player gets credit for allowed. If their man gets beats

1106
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: him and gives up the sack, they give them. Here's

1107
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: the thing to that, all right, here's the thing. I

1108
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: don't know what their great existence is. I get answer,

1109
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: but there should be a category for that. And here's

1110
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: the reason I tell you they might have a category.

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00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a list of I'll tell you, I'll

1112
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: give it. Let me let's let's let's just sell tell

1113
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: the fans what a team shack is. Let's say okay,

1114
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: let's say Eli man, he drops back into the pocket.

1115
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: He's looking for his first, second, third option. He has

1116
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 1: three and a half seconds. Okay, Now he decides he's

1117
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,919
Speaker 1: gonna roll left because he sees Shepard coming across the field. Yell.

1118
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: He gets sacked. Well, the defensive end who gets the

1119
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: sack was lined up opposite Flowers. Myers just not getting

1120
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: that sack. My guess is that they wouldn't give that

1121
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: sack to anybody. I don't know, and I don't know.

1122
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: I would have to count how many total sacks the

1123
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: Giants last year compared to their individual numbers. Well, my

1124
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: chart does, and I had seven team sacks, five on Ali,

1125
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: two on Genos Smith. The rest of them we're on

1126
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: blocking sacks. All We got three minutes, Paul, let's get

1127
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: to a couple more tweets. Are real quick, um, Brian Sellers,

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00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: If the offense has a good year and lives up

1129
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: to its potential, what style of offense will we'll be

1130
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: able to compare it to historically, we don't know enough yet.

1131
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: I agree with that. You know, we just don't. We

1132
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: don't even know if there's gonna be a fullback on

1133
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 1: this team. Another one, a low key sleeper from He

1134
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: is Romeo okwarat outside linebacker? Your thoughts? Is he in

1135
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: the linebacker round? I thought he was n I'll tell

1136
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: you what. Romeo was quiet last year after showing flashes

1137
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: as a rookie. He was quiet, and they kept waiting

1138
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: for him to bust out and and help out and

1139
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: get more snaps. But he did not earn the amount

1140
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: of snaps that I know that the coaching staff wanted

1141
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: him to get, and so he could certainly use a

1142
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: breakout year. How about that argument for me? Yeah, alright,

1143
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: we running out of time. Yeah, I think we can

1144
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: wrap up okay a minute ago, but I think we're

1145
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: right of things to talk about, So I think we're

1146
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: all right. All right, you have I'm off the next

1147
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: couple of days of heading down to the nation's capital.

1148
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: See the Yankees played the Nationals. That'll be fun to

1149
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: avoid the rain, and I'll be back on Friday. Paul

1150
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: Lanson Fields will carry you through the next couple of days.

1151
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: Talking Giants football and then of course O t as

1152
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: begin next Monday. We'll have coveraged for that on giants

1153
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: dot Com. Media availability on Monday as well, so make

1154
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: sure you stay tuned for that, and stay tuned the

1155
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: coverage of the New York Football Giants the rest of

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00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: the week only on giants dot Com. For a pall

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00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: to Tino, I'm John Schmilk. We'll see tomorrow. Everybody. Enjoy

1158
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Speaker 1: your day and avoid the rain.