WEBVTT - How Crime-Scene Clean-up Works 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:04.520 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:13.600 dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:17.479 There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and uh that makes the 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:21.960 Stuff you Should Know freshly shaven. Mm hmm. I got 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:24.760 rid of the beard. Yeah, I cleaned up this crime 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:28.000 scene of the face, your hair sticking on a really 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:32.480 weird way? Is it out from my hat? Thank you? 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.600 Now it's even crazier. Please don't like, lick your thumb 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.440 and come over like mommies to do the I should 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:40.600 say for those of you who might be experiencing some 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:43.320 sort of alarm or terror right now. Chuck kept the goatee. 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:45.760 He just shaved the beard. Part of the parts that 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:50.000 made it a beard, I guess the burnside mutton chops yeah, 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:54.160 and the neck fuzz Yeah. Looking good, Thank you, Chuck. 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:58.760 Have you ever seen a movie called Curdled No, it's 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:04.720 a little sleeper produced by one Quentin Tarantino. It's about 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:09.039 this very quiet, kind of demure woman who um gets 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:11.720 a job as a crime scene clean up person. It's 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:16.160 the girl from pulp fiction the cab driver, right. I 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:18.399 believe she. I believe she was the taxi driver who 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.280 drove Bruce Willis around after the boxing match from Pulp Fiction. 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.280 Oh really heard of that movie. I haven't seen it, 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:25.200 but I think that's her. It's worth seeing, is it. 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:28.440 But now that i've I've read this crime scene cleanup 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.960 article on our fair site how stuff works dot com. Um, 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:34.880 I realized just how far off the mark some of 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:37.959 the details were on that was it pretty far? Yeah, 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:41.360 a little bit. Have you seen Sunshine Cleaning? No, but 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:43.440 from the previous that one looks pretty far off the 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:46.400 mark to like I remember seeing them carrying out like 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:50.760 a mattress and just like you know, um, Mrs Brady 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:54.440 spring cleaning type outfits, you remember that was she had 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:56.440 like the little de rag and she had like the 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.280 little clam diggers rolled up and like some converse on, 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:01.080 just like cute is a button. That was one of 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:02.840 the jokes of the scenes. Actually, they were carrying out 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:04.680 this Amy Adams and the other girl carrying out this 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:08.440 nasty like bloody mattress and one of them dropped her 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:10.840 end and the other one fell on the bloody stain, 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:14.520 and it was just like it's really good movie though, 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:16.400 actually was it? Yeah? That's great? Is it by the 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:19.200 people who made a little Miss Sunshine or am I 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.760 just confusing that because the name it's a little indie 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:23.440 though Alan Arkin was in it, so maybe so I 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:27.280 wonder it's good. All right, Well, um, both of these 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:30.079 movies are utter frauds when it comes to the details, 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:33.160 right chuck uh yeah for the most part. Okay, let's 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.600 talk about crime scene clean up, the real stuff, because 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:40.880 there's nothing cute or about it. It's actually horrific work 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.120 and it takes a very specific kind of person and 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:46.880 the those people last in average of about eight months 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:49.720 before they get burned out in this business, right yeah, alright, 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.960 So it's actually called it's it's part of the cleaning industry, 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:57.040 and the it's a niche part of the cleaning industry, 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:00.760 very niche, not very heavily marketed in traditional channels. Ext 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:03.720 it's not how it works. Um, but it's called CTSD 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:10.480 con Crime and Trauma Scene decontamination, right and um, basically 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:14.400 what it is is it is a cleaning service on steroids. 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:17.960 There's no Mrs Brady outfits. You're wearing full bio hazard 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:21.160 has matt suits, no French Maids going on here, nothing 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:24.840 like that, because you're dealing with some really dangerous stuff. 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:29.079 You're dealing with um blood which often feature appropriately enough 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:34.000 blood borne pathogens. Um, you're cleaning up meth labs. Yeah, 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:37.520 that's um. And a lot of times you're you're um. 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:39.800 And we should probably warn people this. This is gonna 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:42.000 get a little graphic here. You can do what I'm 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.040 seeing without being a little graphic, right, But I mean 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:46.320 you're cleaning up like there may not be a body 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:49.560 there anymore, but you're picking up pieces of bone that 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:54.320 the the crime scene investigators missed. Um, you're scraping brain 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:59.520 off of walls. It's not normal work, right, Yeah, I 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.720 mean I think that's where the decontamination part of the 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.680 CTS deacon comes in. It's not just cleaning. You're you're 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:09.520 actually your goal is to return the spot to its 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.680 original condition. So like, you don't it made a point 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.600 in this article, like you don't just clean the carpet 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.320 because if the carpet has a two inch blood stain 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.200 on the carpet, there's probably a two foot blood stain 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.080 under the carpet on the floorboard. Right, Yeah, So cleaning 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.000 the carpet doesn't work. You gotta cut the carpet out, 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:31.520 maybe cut the base baseboards outright. So it is Decontaminations 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.120 who wrote this. Julia Layton, she's she's got the goods. 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:37.000 She definitely has the goods, but the way she put 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:41.000 it has to be actually clean, not just apparently clean, right, Yeah, 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.440 which I do apparently cleaning in my house, but I 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:47.960 mean we're not cutting up carpet and replacing floorboards or anything. 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:52.120 Um So, it takes a very certain type of person 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:56.400 um because of the gore that you're going to have 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.679 to deal with in a large number of your cases. 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.400 Um So, a lot of the people in um the 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:07.359 ct S dacon industry, or former or maybe even current 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:10.359 e M t S emergency room nurses, people who are 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:13.960 already trained to deal with this kind of thing. Yeah, 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:15.480 that that one articles. And you know, I think that 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:17.919 that company said they hire a lot of former firemen, 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.440 and I would think probably military people, people that have 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:27.000 dealt with high stress and uh, dead bodies basically. But 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.520 it's not just that, I mean you have to um also, 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:33.480 as a crime scene clean up person, you have to 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.240 have a sympathetic nature, is one of the points in 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:40.400 this article. Right, sympathetic but not empathetic, right, because there's 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:44.640 a lot of times when all the the ambulance is gone, 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:48.039 the cops are gone, but the family is still there 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:50.919 and they may be sitting there sobbing while they're watching 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:54.400 you clean the house. Um. And you you have to 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.440 be able to, yeah, sympathize with them without getting caught 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.440 up in what they're experiencing, right, and you have to 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:05.960 be able to remain detached, but you have to be um. Uh, 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.520 you have to be understanding to what they're going through too. Yeah. 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:11.680 The one guy in that article that they interviewed said 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.440 that he's cried along with families and stuff like that. 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:19.240 And um, I think they also said that some companies 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:23.400 offer grief counselors along with their service. Yeah, the upon 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:26.680 request apparently, if you want a grief counselor usually that 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:30.160 can be factored into the price or else the company 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:32.240 will will give it to you for free. Yeah. In 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:35.600 Sunshine Cleaning, there was never anyone at the scene, but um, 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:37.640 it was realistic in some ways because one of the 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:41.719 subplots involved um. One of the girls found a wallet 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:46.080 and an identification from the deceased and ended up looking 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.559 up her daughter and befriending her daughter, but not telling 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:53.320 the daughter that she had cleaned up her mother's suicide 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.040 or homicide scene. So they kind of dealt with that, 0:06:56.279 --> 0:07:00.080 you know, delicately. That's great. Yeah, that's probably the one 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:04.000 thing you should deal with delicately, right, UM, because some 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.520 of the stuff that you're cleaning up is pretty rough stuff. 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:11.200 So let's talk about the three main scenes that you're 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:16.800 going to encounter as a UM clean up technician, Joshes 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:21.040 Number one, you've got violent death, which is homicide, suicide 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:26.240 or bad luck accident type of thing. You've got a decomposition, 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:31.640 decomposing body happening, and meth labs is a lot of 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.440 their business comes from meth labs that have exploded. Because 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.440 meth labs are known for exploding. I don't even know 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:40.920 that they necessarily have to have exploded. I think just 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.080 the fact that there is a meth lab there that 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.880 it means that you have to decontaminate the scene absolutely. Apparently, 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:51.640 meth labs UM are so toxic that they're UM capable 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.600 of making people who live in a former meth lab 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:58.720 sick like a decade on UM. Some of the toxins 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:07.360 that you're running into are things like acetone, methanol, benzene, iodine, 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:11.200 hydrochloric acid. This is like the ingredients of meth. Right, 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:14.640 this is what people are snorting. Kids. Unless you want 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:20.080 to turn into a disgusting, haggard wreck mess of a human, 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.360 stay away from meth. Meth equals death. Just look at 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:25.080 those pictures. You've seen those pictures on the internet that 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.960 showed the before and after. Yeah, oh god, that that 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.679 should be like on billboards in Oklahoma. We should probably 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.240 podcast on meth sometime. We have a good article. It's 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:35.880 liked tom she wrote it. Really, yeah, we absolutely should. 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:39.000 Um So one of the one of the reasons why 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:43.360 meth labs are so dangerous is because you are going 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:45.760 to absorb the stuff through your skin. You leave the 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.719 toxic breads to do not just on walls, but on 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:52.560 the air as well. So another UM, I guess prior 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.120 job experience that is good to bring to the table 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.239 if you're a crime scene clean up person is construction 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:01.360 background or at the very least militian, because a lot 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.360 of cases, like with UM meth labs, like if it 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:06.520 was a house or an apartment or something, you have 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:10.839 to knock everything out. Anything that UM can't be put 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.319 in some sort of decontaminating chemical. UM has to be 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:17.920 taken out, thrown away. That includes drywall, floorboards, carpet, all 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.480 this stuff until it's just down to the bones of 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.079 the building. Yeah, or they will tear it down or 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:27.120 more likely, uh, haul the trailer away. Well, let's talk 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.480 about this. We said that you're not wearing, um, just 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.000 normal everyday spring cleaning clothes. You're wearing like a full 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:34.960 on biohezard suit. Right. What are some of the other, um, 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:39.760 I guess tools of the trade chuckers. Well, there's there's 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.520 a laundry list, Josh. You you definitely want your protective gear. Um, 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:48.079 you have to have biowaste containers like big fifty five 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.520 gallon drums to hold this stuff. You can't just throw 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.319 it in a bag into the back of your van. No, 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.920 there's regulations you gotta follow. Um, you're gonna have your 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.280 regular cleaning supplies that you would need to clean up 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.640 any kind of you know, mops and disinfectants and that 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:04.760 kind of thing. You've got your more hardcore supplies like 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:11.400 industrial strength, like hospital strength, the disinfectants, right, which only 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:15.760 allow the merca bug to survive. Really, now, there's like 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.920 hospital acquired mercer infections. I don't know anything about that. Yeah, 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:22.080 or they like get used to the industrial cleaners in there, 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.839 Like these superbugs are like bring it when you spray 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:28.319 it on them, it's worse than ticks. You can have 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:31.000 an ozone machine which removes odors. You can have a 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:35.840 fogger which they will use to shoot um stuff into 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:38.679 like air ducks to get rid of odors. Right, well, 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.520 it'll um. It takes a chemical and kind of gets 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:43.880 it around corners and stuff. You get everywhere with it 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:45.800 when you have when you run it through a fogger, 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:50.160 apparently you've got some enzyme solvents you want to kill bacteria, 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:52.760 and it can also liquefied dried blood, which can be 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.600 pretty nasty to get out once it's equagulated and dried, right, 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:59.280 which is why you want shovels. Yeah, Apparently chuck after 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:03.400 what three hours to two hours and blog coagulates into 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.160 kind of a jelly like goo that you can shovel 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:10.920 into bags. So gross, but very very thick bags, biohezard bags. 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.079 They also include in this article putty knives to scrape 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:17.079 brain matter from the wall because apparently brain when it 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.839 dries becomes like cement, and we'll stick to something like 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:24.520 cement which is really gross and sad. You can also 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:28.959 use a steam basically a steamer to steam it back 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:32.280 into gooiness. Yeah. And then my favorite thing, which is 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.199 be the first thing in my van, would be the 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:38.240 no touch cleaning system. And these are like big long 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:43.480 scrubbing brushes, uh, heavy duty sprayers, things like that, like 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.280 pressure washers and no touch cleaning system seems like the 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.439 smartest cleaning system, yes it is. Yeah. Then, like you said, 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:51.959 you want some carponry tools, probably ladders, stuff like that, 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:54.960 and then a camera because you need to take before 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.760 and after pictures for insurance, and you wouldn't think about that, right, 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:03.840 And actually apparently most insurance covers this, right, Yeah, insurance 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:06.000 covers it a lot of times. Or if it's a homicide, 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.920 I think it's paid for by the state, by the 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:14.000 federal government really Crime Victory Victim Reparations Agency. Okay, and 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.600 I know the state agencies that do that too. So well, 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.400 we're getting aheair of ourselves. I don't mean to jump 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:23.319 the gun, but let's talk more about some of the scenes. Specifically, 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.719 we talked about meth labs, Chuck. One of the other 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:27.960 big ones that you'll be called out too, that makes 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:32.600 quite a message when a decomposing body is found, right, absolutely, 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.160 he had to call him decomps in the in the trade. Uh, 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:39.079 that's not gonna be like usually, it's not gonna be 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:43.320 some big nasty um blood sprays and like brains and things. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:45.800 It's not gonna be all over the place, but it 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:50.040 can be pretty nasty because a decomposing body, Josh, is 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:54.400 really gross. Your body swells up, um insects move into 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.440 your body and take up residence. Your organs are going 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.800 to digest themselves, and your skin liquefies. Yeah. Remember we 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.440 talked about um rick or mortis or no I think 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:05.319 it was on the Body Farms episode. We talked a 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:07.760 lot about how decomposition works. So if you want to 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.160 know more about d COMP, go listen to our Body 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.880 Farms um eppie right. Yeah, And of course there's the smell. 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.959 You can't talk about decomposition without the smell. And as 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:20.120 Julia Layton puts it, it would bring an average person 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:24.760 to his knees. Yeah that's bad. Yes, apparently it's ammonia. 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:28.599 It's an ammonia based smell created by d COMP like 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:31.120 the litter box. Yeah, you ever cleaned out of litter box. 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:35.040 I have toxic plasmos is all over the place, that's right. Um. 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:37.640 The other thing too with a d comp is and 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:39.760 this you know, you don't think about these things when 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:41.840 you hear about it on the news. But someone actually 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:45.280 has to go behind after the body has been removed. 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:49.440 There's probably liquefied parts of the body there. And there's 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:53.720 also maggots that have already feasted and have the blood 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:55.760 inside of them, and you gotta get it. You gotta 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:57.439 get rid of them too, because they're carrying you know, 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:01.520 disease maybe right, And you have to basically scour the 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.079 place looking for maggots, collect the maggots, and then you 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:31.040 dispose of them through burning, right, tastes like burning. That's dcompey, 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.440 that's dcom. Now let's get down to the one that 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.080 everybody's fascinated with that all the movies are about. And 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:41.040 those are murder scenes, suicide scenes, accidental shootings, basically where 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.960 somebody was shot it's specifically in the head, I guess 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.880 is the worst. I mean, you've seen Full Metal Jacket, right, 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:50.720 remember pile? Yeah, someone had to clean that up. Somebody did. Yeah, 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:52.880 I'll bet it was a joker. Well, somebody in the 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:56.560 art department for the movie. But uh, yeah, a violent 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:58.760 death is not good because there's gonna be lots of blood, 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.720 especially sue sides they say are probably the worst for 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.920 the blood. Yeah, which is why I guess I can't 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:08.320 see shooting yourself in the head at home. That's just 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:11.120 so so much of a problem. It's just a huge problem. 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:13.200 At least go to a hotel or a motel. And 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.920 that Hunter Thompson did, he shot himself in his basement 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:19.280 while he's on the phone with his wife. But I mean, 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.640 I think it's fine for him that he was on 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:25.000 the phone with her because apparently he'd let her know 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.280 that this was happening. This wasn't like a she had 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.160 no idea that something like this was going to happen. 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.080 But at home. He did it at home, which I 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.240 can understand wanting to be at home. But yeah, I 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.560 guess shooting yourself in the head if you're going to why, 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:39.360 I don't see why you would do it at home. Yeah, 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.880 I agree. Uh, And like we said earlier, it has 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.440 to be really, really clean, So any bodily fluid is 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:50.320 a potential pathogen. And not only that, but after you leave, 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.320 if you don't get it all up, it can lead 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.120 to mold and bacteria and cause people to get sick 0:15:55.160 --> 0:16:00.520 like months afterward. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you have to, like 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:04.240 you said, restore this place to the state it was 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.440 in before the trigger was pulled, right, Yeah. And it 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:08.560 can take up to I mean a few hours to 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.960 up to like forty eight hours to do this. Yeah. 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.440 And apparently a good crime scene clean up company is 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:20.200 gonna charge you about six hundred bucks an hour. It 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.320 ain't cheap, um for one room with lots of blood 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:27.080 for a homicide or suicide, it's gonna cost between three 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:30.040 and sixth grand I guess right. One of the reasons 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:33.680 why it's so expensive is because these people don't just 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:35.480 take the stuff home and throw it in their trash 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:39.840 out front. Right. There are really specific permits and rules 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:42.280 that govern disposal of this, which, by the way, we 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:46.360 should say the actual industry itself is not regulated. It's 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:50.000 not nationally regulated. No, but they generally follow Ocean's bloodborne 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:54.640 pathogen standards, which requires training and certification itself. Um, But 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.000 to be a crime scene cleanup technician that you don't 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:01.760 there's no national certification or even state or local certification. 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:05.439 It's just company training. Yeah yeah, right, and but um, 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:07.040 you know, we'll talk about the training in a minute. 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:08.800 But they obviously want to do a good job because 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:10.919 the last thing you want is I mean, the turnover 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:14.000 is already high enough, you know. Um. But like we said, 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:17.640 there is plenty of permits and um standards and procedures 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.520 to follow in disposing of this waste. Right, yeah, you 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:22.040 can't just like you said, you can't throw in the 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.159 dumpster like they do in Sunshine cleaning. You have to 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:28.520 incenterate it. And there are medical waste incinerator companies and uh, 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:31.080 the one thing I thought they charged by the pound, 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.240 which I thought was kind of gross. But how else 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.960 are you gonna do it? Because it's a pound of nastiness. Yeah, 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:38.159 And the other thing I thought was kind of gross 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:40.680 was they a lot of them have minimum charges. So 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.800 if you don't have the minimum you have to keep 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:49.359 this uh bio human bio waste in van, well, not 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.200 in your van, but if it's hot and in like 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.520 a refrigerated space until you have collect enough of it 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:56.720 to go to the incinerator. You know, I'll bet it's funny. 0:17:56.720 --> 0:18:00.119 I'll bet the same um, the same companies that that 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.800 operate medical waste incinerators also just so happen to have 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:06.840 some cold storage units that you can put your waist 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:09.560 in until you have enough to burn to But I'll 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:11.800 bet it's I'll bet if you're in the industry for 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:14.080 a while you're friends with some guy who operates it 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:15.919 and you kick him like fifty bucks to throw your 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:20.280 stuff in with somebody else's or whatever. But you better 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:24.399 be incinerating it following proper procedure, else you're a horrible jerk, right, 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:27.280 And it's not just the gore that has to be 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:31.400 disposed of. Um, if you have just deconstructed a house 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:34.399 that was a meth lab, you've got to do something 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:36.639 with this waste. Again. Can't just take it to the 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:38.480 dumpster you came and take it to a normal dump. 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:40.520 You have to take it to special dumps that are 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:44.240 um out of public reach, right right, Um, And just 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:47.239 transporting it you have to have a special permit for that, right, 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:50.119 You have to have a has Met permit. Yeah, my friend, uh, 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:53.400 my friend Timmy has he works in has Matt Disposal 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:56.119 And now yeah you met Timmy. Now he does a 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.920 lot of um like trained derailments and stuff like that, 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.600 but he used to live in Oklahoma, and in Oklahoma 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.080 nothing but nothing but meth labs and he had to 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:08.560 do He didn't do crime scene cleanup, but he he 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:11.560 worked on teams that investigated sites, I think. And he 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:15.200 said that he saw bodies that had dirt the body 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.600 that they've shoveled dirt in their mouths and would choke 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:22.840 on it sometimes because apparently once whatever badness happens and 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:27.280 it becomes airborne, it's such a like awful reaction, like 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:30.920 that you're breathing this in, they start just putting something 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:34.040 in their mouth to try and quell this nasty taste. 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.000 So they would like stuff dirt in their mouths until 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:39.160 they died. It's not nasty, said, that's horrible. It's another 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:43.840 reason not to cook or do meth. What a mini um. 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:49.439 So let's say you all this is like yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:52.760 and you're looking to earn no, I don't know, between 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:56.240 thirty five and fifty grand without a high school diploma. 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:59.480 We should say, um, what what do you need to 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:03.240 do to be come a crime scene clean up technician? Well, 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:07.040 we already talked about some of the UH traits they 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.720 look for in somebody like to be empathetic and maybe 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.080 to have prior training with the dead bodies and stuff 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:14.720 like that. But they will actually give you test um 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:17.760 to make sure that you won't like throw up on 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:19.760 the scene in front of a family. Yeah, it's like 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:23.800 monster's ball. Yeah, that would be awful to go. Can 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:26.840 you imagine losing a family member in your home and 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:28.560 then someone coming in to clean it and then they 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:30.640 start throwing up all over the place. Plus, if you're 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:33.280 the owner of the company, that's just extra work, that's 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:36.920 more clean up that you can't charge for. Right, So 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:40.040 they will actually put you through a test to pass 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.200 a gross factor that um. It ranges from like looking 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:46.080 at pictures of dead bodies to actually cleaning up dead 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:49.800 animals carcasses to make sure that you won't vomit. And 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.119 I wonder if they tell you that it's actual like 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:56.639 human stuff, but it's actually like a fox. Oh like 0:20:56.720 --> 0:21:00.439 Halloween when you when you reach into the shape grapes 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:05.040 and their eyeballs. Yeah. Um. You also really really really 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:08.000 need to get a hepatitis B vaccine every five years. 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:10.600 As a matter of fact, as many letters as there 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:13.840 are types of hepatitis I would get a vaccine for 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:16.480 each of them probably every month. Yeah, what do we 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:22.080 get for Yeah, so we can still wouldn't qualify huh. Um. Also, Chuck, 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:26.280 even if you are a very strong person, we like 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:29.560 we said, the turnovers about eight months on average, and 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:33.639 you are um really at risk for a couple of 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:39.480 stress disorders UM, critical incident stress syndrome and secondary traumatic 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:42.439 stress disorder. And basically the first one is you were 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:47.080 on site of like horrific events routinely it's tough to 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:49.680 shake off. And then the other one is if you 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:53.960 become too attached to the families grief you're you, you 0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:57.440 basically can leach off of their post traumatic stress disorder 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:01.760 and have secondary stress disorder, can very traumatic stress disorder. Yeah. 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:04.840 They also obviously look for people going in that don't 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:07.879 have any sort of like depressive disorders to things like 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:09.399 that that probably wouldn't be a good job to put 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:14.240 someone who was manic depressive to crimes and cleanup situation. Chuck, 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:40.639 not at all. Uh. Let's talk about the business a 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:43.480 little bit. I think you said six hundred dollars an hour, 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:46.840 but a room can like a bloody room can cost 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:49.080 up to like three thousand dollars to get clean. I 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:51.200