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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark.

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Speaker 1: There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and uh that makes the

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Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know freshly shaven. Mm hmm. I got

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Speaker 1: rid of the beard. Yeah, I cleaned up this crime

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Speaker 1: scene of the face, your hair sticking on a really

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Speaker 1: weird way? Is it out from my hat? Thank you?

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Speaker 1: Now it's even crazier. Please don't like, lick your thumb

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Speaker 1: and come over like mommies to do the I should

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Speaker 1: say for those of you who might be experiencing some

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Speaker 1: sort of alarm or terror right now. Chuck kept the goatee.

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Speaker 1: He just shaved the beard. Part of the parts that

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Speaker 1: made it a beard, I guess the burnside mutton chops yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the neck fuzz Yeah. Looking good, Thank you, Chuck.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a movie called Curdled No, it's

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Speaker 1: a little sleeper produced by one Quentin Tarantino. It's about

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Speaker 1: this very quiet, kind of demure woman who um gets

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Speaker 1: a job as a crime scene clean up person. It's

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Speaker 1: the girl from pulp fiction the cab driver, right. I

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Speaker 1: believe she. I believe she was the taxi driver who

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Speaker 1: drove Bruce Willis around after the boxing match from Pulp Fiction.

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Speaker 1: Oh really heard of that movie. I haven't seen it,

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Speaker 1: but I think that's her. It's worth seeing, is it.

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Speaker 1: But now that i've I've read this crime scene cleanup

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Speaker 1: article on our fair site how stuff works dot com. Um,

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Speaker 1: I realized just how far off the mark some of

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Speaker 1: the details were on that was it pretty far? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Have you seen Sunshine Cleaning? No, but

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Speaker 1: from the previous that one looks pretty far off the

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Speaker 1: mark to like I remember seeing them carrying out like

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Speaker 1: a mattress and just like you know, um, Mrs Brady

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Speaker 1: spring cleaning type outfits, you remember that was she had

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Speaker 1: like the little de rag and she had like the

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Speaker 1: little clam diggers rolled up and like some converse on,

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Speaker 1: just like cute is a button. That was one of

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Speaker 1: the jokes of the scenes. Actually, they were carrying out

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Speaker 1: this Amy Adams and the other girl carrying out this

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Speaker 1: nasty like bloody mattress and one of them dropped her

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Speaker 1: end and the other one fell on the bloody stain,

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Speaker 1: and it was just like it's really good movie though,

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Speaker 1: actually was it? Yeah? That's great? Is it by the

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Speaker 1: people who made a little Miss Sunshine or am I

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Speaker 1: just confusing that because the name it's a little indie

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Speaker 1: though Alan Arkin was in it, so maybe so I

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Speaker 1: wonder it's good. All right, Well, um, both of these

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Speaker 1: movies are utter frauds when it comes to the details,

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Speaker 1: right chuck uh yeah for the most part. Okay, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about crime scene clean up, the real stuff, because

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Speaker 1: there's nothing cute or about it. It's actually horrific work

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Speaker 1: and it takes a very specific kind of person and

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Speaker 1: the those people last in average of about eight months

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Speaker 1: before they get burned out in this business, right yeah, alright,

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Speaker 1: So it's actually called it's it's part of the cleaning industry,

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Speaker 1: and the it's a niche part of the cleaning industry,

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Speaker 1: very niche, not very heavily marketed in traditional channels. Ext

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Speaker 1: it's not how it works. Um, but it's called CTSD

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Speaker 1: con Crime and Trauma Scene decontamination, right and um, basically

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Speaker 1: what it is is it is a cleaning service on steroids.

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Speaker 1: There's no Mrs Brady outfits. You're wearing full bio hazard

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Speaker 1: like that, because you're dealing with some really dangerous stuff.

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Speaker 1: You're dealing with um blood which often feature appropriately enough

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Speaker 1: blood borne pathogens. Um, you're cleaning up meth labs. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's um. And a lot of times you're you're um.

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Speaker 1: And we should probably warn people this. This is gonna

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Speaker 1: get a little graphic here. You can do what I'm

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Speaker 1: seeing without being a little graphic, right, But I mean

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Speaker 1: you're cleaning up like there may not be a body

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Speaker 1: there anymore, but you're picking up pieces of bone that

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Speaker 1: mean I think that's where the decontamination part of the

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Speaker 1: CTS deacon comes in. It's not just cleaning. You're you're

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Speaker 1: actually your goal is to return the spot to its

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Speaker 1: original condition. So like, you don't it made a point

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Speaker 1: under the carpet on the floorboard. Right, Yeah, So cleaning

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Speaker 1: maybe cut the base baseboards outright. So it is Decontaminations

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Speaker 1: who wrote this. Julia Layton, she's she's got the goods.

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Speaker 1: She definitely has the goods, but the way she put

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Speaker 1: mean we're not cutting up carpet and replacing floorboards or anything.

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Speaker 1: have a sympathetic nature, is one of the points in

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Speaker 1: this article. Right, sympathetic but not empathetic, right, because there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of times when all the the ambulance is gone,

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Speaker 1: be able to, yeah, sympathize with them without getting caught

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Speaker 1: you have to be understanding to what they're going through too. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: offer grief counselors along with their service. Yeah, the upon

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Speaker 1: the daughter that she had cleaned up her mother's suicide

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Speaker 1: you know, delicately. That's great. Yeah, that's probably the one

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Speaker 1: Number one, you've got violent death, which is homicide, suicide

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Speaker 1: which is why you want shovels. Yeah, Apparently chuck after

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Speaker 1: They also include in this article putty knives to scrape

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Speaker 1: guy is good. Yeah, that's actually how it worked in

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Speaker 1: Sunshine Cleaning. Yes, Amy Adams was a regular house cleaner

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Speaker 1: making beans, and her boyfriend was Steve Zon and he

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Speaker 1: was a homicide detective. Steven is great and he's awesome

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Speaker 1: and he um he he told her like, you know,

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Speaker 1: you can make a lot more money by doing this,

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Speaker 1: and he got her her first job and first referral,

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Speaker 1: and it just kind of grew from there. Um, it's

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Speaker 1: a burgeoning business, right. Yeah. And apparently if you like

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Speaker 1: to name your business after yourself first day and last name,

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Speaker 1: this is the this is the industry for you. This

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Speaker 1: in waste disposal. Yeah, what was the company from San Francisco?

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Speaker 1: In there there is um Neil Smithers crime Scene Cleaners, Inc. Right,

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Speaker 1: And and they have people they send out all over

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Speaker 1: the country. Now, but I think it said that they

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Speaker 1: do about four hundred cleanups in San Francisco alone each year.

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Speaker 1: This is two thousand six. That's more than one a day.

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Speaker 1: Is well, And here we reach to the debate right.

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00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: The crime scene cleanup companies literally make money off of tragedy, right,

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Speaker 1: horrific tragedy. And a lot of people argue like that

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Speaker 1: there's this kind of commercialization of death, of tragedy, and

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Speaker 1: and that why are we so okay with this? Um?

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Speaker 1: And I can kind of see that, like maybe this

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Speaker 1: is something that should be a free service of a

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Speaker 1: police department, worked into the budget or something that a

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Speaker 1: city does, right. Um. But at the same time, you

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Speaker 1: can really make a case like, if you need someone

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Speaker 1: like this, it's a really good thing that they're around,

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Speaker 1: whether it's a commercialization of death or not, because before

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Speaker 1: this it was up to the family to do it,

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Speaker 1: or maybe some friends of the family or something like that.

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Speaker 1: But isn't that just way way worse. I don't even

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Speaker 1: cleaning up your loved one's brains in your home, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's obviously way way work. But like a private toach

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Speaker 1: truck company comes and gets a car after car accident,

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Speaker 1: so that's not taken care of by the police, so

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Speaker 1: sort of sort of the same thing. I definitely fall

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Speaker 1: in the line like, yeah, this is fine, this is

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Speaker 1: perfectly acceptable capitalism. Yeah, well, and until it is covered

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Speaker 1: by the police department. Then somebody's should be making money,

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00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: and it should be top dollar because it's no fun

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Speaker 1: to clean up brains and bone out of drywall. You know,

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Speaker 1: I know, And I mean if you leave it to

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Speaker 1: the city, can you imagine the job of a city

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Speaker 1: worker would do. And well, that's the other point, man.

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Speaker 1: These people are paid good money because they restore it

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Speaker 1: to its original condition, and your right, I would not

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Speaker 1: want to see the employee doing it. If you're a

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Speaker 1: city employee who is good at your job, we apologize

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Speaker 1: in advance. It's the rest of the people in your

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00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: field that make it hard on you. Um. And if

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Speaker 1: you are a crime scene cleanup technician, we want to

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Speaker 1: hear from you. Oh yeah, Uh send us an email

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Speaker 1: uh to the email address that I will give at

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00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: the end of the show because I got ahead of myself.

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00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: If you want to learn more about crime scene clean up,

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Speaker 1: go type that into our search bar. Crime scene is

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Speaker 1: crime hyphen scene clean up is clean hyphen up uh,

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Speaker 1: and we'll take you to this really really good article. UM.

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Speaker 1: And that means now, friends, that it's time for listener mail.

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Speaker 1: Jerry had a big problem with the hyphen thing. Like

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Speaker 1: you were you were out of the room getting some coffee,

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Speaker 1: and I had to explain to the hyphens and that

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Speaker 1: you've capitalized the first one and you don't capitalize the second.

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Speaker 1: I can see that. And she said, this is the

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Speaker 1: most difficult title we've ever had, Is it really? She said?

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Speaker 1: She said, yes, Okay, she's tittering. H Josh. This is

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Speaker 1: prison email part two. We had part one? Was it

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00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,239
Speaker 1: right before this one? Are we going to split those up? Uh?

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Speaker 1: We have to have the one that we recorded go first,

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00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: or else we've got two and then one. Okay, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: this came out on this is Thursday. Right. That's more

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00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: confusing than college football rankings in quantum physics. Uh so

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00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: this is the end of the prisoners email the guy

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00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: who was busted for math and then went on the

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Speaker 1: lamb and then went to prison and is now a fine,

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Speaker 1: upstanding citizen. We will continue with this. Food items available

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00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: from the commissary like ramen noodles, can corn or chicken,

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00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: and soda pop were valuable for trade as well. Pack

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00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: of rama noodles were often uses currency for bets on

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Speaker 1: things like football games. To the betting rama noodles on

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Speaker 1: a football game, I guess when you're in the whoscal

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00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: you're doing what you can to, you know, make it

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00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: just like the outside. Or prizes and handball tournaments organized

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Speaker 1: by enterprising inmates who would often keep five as an

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Speaker 1: entry fee for putting the tournament together. Huh that crazy.

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Speaker 1: I think it's crazy that this guy wasn't in a

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Speaker 1: minimum security federal prison and he was still playing handball. Yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 1: There were two escapes during the year that I was

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Speaker 1: at the camp. One person took a blanket and threw

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Speaker 1: it over the top of the barbed war fence. That

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00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: was just regular barbedar, he said, not razor wire, and

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00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: he climbed over in the middle of the night, and

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00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: that was pretty much how he got out. Did they

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Speaker 1: catch the guy? Uh, Yes, both were caught. The second

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00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: guy left his job at the State and motor pool

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00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: during the day, so I guess he just got in

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Speaker 1: one of the cars and left, which is pretty smart

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00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: way to escape. It's a pretty typical way to escape. Again, Well,

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Speaker 1: that's actually what he says. He stole a state vehicle

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Speaker 1: and he said both were caught in under forty eight hours. Shank,

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00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: And here's just some little points he makes. Shank is

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Speaker 1: indeed both a bourbon and noun, although shiv was much

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Speaker 1: less common in usage. Somebody said it was east coast,

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Speaker 1: west coast, but another credibility, well, this is Nevada, so

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Speaker 1: shank is what they said there. In addition to the whole,

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00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: the special housing unit was known as the shoe as

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Speaker 1: an s h U, and it was more frequently referred

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Speaker 1: to as the shoe than the whole, So we were

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00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: sort of wrong in that one. And one of the

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00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: more colorful terms that you can here in prison was

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00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: to key stir something. Yeah, and can you imagine what

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00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: that might be? Of course, I mean to hide something

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Speaker 1: in a very uncomfortable place. You wreck them, yeah, not

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Speaker 1: like this stop watch? Did you not know that you did?

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00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: You get dysenterry from that when you put a watch

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00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: in your keys there or a wrist watch. Sorry, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't a stop I got dyson. Tearry little man. Another

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00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: term was man walking, which meant that correction officer was

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Speaker 1: out in the yard walking around, so someone would yell

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00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: out man walking, and that was a cue to hide

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Speaker 1: any contraband or desist any activities like tattooing, which was

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Speaker 1: you didn't want the corrections guys to see tattooing each other.

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Speaker 1: They're heavy critics. Exactly. I've already written much more than

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Speaker 1: I intended, Guys. I could go on for much longer

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Speaker 1: about many of the topics, including racism, which was extreme,

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Speaker 1: the power structure, and what it was like not having

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Speaker 1: freedom even though I worked outside the camp and mostly

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Speaker 1: an unsupervised fashion. Uh, favor trading and so on and

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00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: so on. It's weird that I have so much to

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Speaker 1: write about even though I was only in total for

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Speaker 1: about eighteen months. So it wasn't three years. It was

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Speaker 1: eighteen months total. Eighteen months, man, can you imagine? Oh

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Speaker 1: my god. So that's the end of part two of

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Speaker 1: the prison prisoner email. It's part two of two. Huh yep.

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Speaker 1: And he's on the up and up now and we

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Speaker 1: wish him all the best. It sounds like he's doing

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Speaker 1: really good. Thank you, anonymous jail bird. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Who doesn't work here? Right? It is not Jonathan Stricklin. Okay, um,

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Speaker 1: let's see if you have a we already did this

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Speaker 1: this whole email thing, right, crime scene clean up? Uh,

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Speaker 1: just say the email address. Yeah, Just send your emails

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Speaker 1: to Stuff podcast at how stuff works dot com for

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