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Please keep in mind 34 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 1: that all of my guests are not this so let's 35 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: again this week's episode. You know way, I hear you 36 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: talk about a lot of things, a lot of resistance 37 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: that comes with your job, and I thought about the 38 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: comment you made on you know how the shelters are 39 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: pretty much design like this, like and I'm just thinking 40 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: to myself, like, wow, like for somebody to try to 41 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 1: get their ship together, it doesn't take a year to 42 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: get your ship together, Like it takes a couple of 43 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: months to get that just to get things going. Absolutely 44 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: it's designed that way because they get they get more 45 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: money for money right for the client being in the 46 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: bed then they do for them being somewhere else. So 47 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: it's like if I'm just throw and then they use 48 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: they use like the vouchers to kind of like entice them. 49 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: So recently the City Fels voucher was increased to from 50 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: twelve sixty five to and that's to compete with the 51 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: Section A voucher. The only thing with the City Felps 52 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: voucher is is good for five years. After that you 53 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: on your own. So a lot of times that's what 54 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: trips people up to because it's like again there's no 55 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: there's no real resources like in the shelter system, and 56 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: in the shelter there's nobody who's saying like, okay, let 57 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: me teach you how to save your money, let me 58 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: teach you how to um bank because most times their 59 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: rent is gonna be thirty percent of whatever income it 60 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: is that they have and if their own public assistance, 61 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: public assistance will completely pay the right and they don't 62 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: have to worry about it. But like I said, when 63 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: you're dealing with that mental illness and the substance abuse, 64 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: it becomes really hard to focus on what on your 65 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: real responsibilities, right, and because there's nobody really there pushing 66 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: saying like yo. And then even for those of us 67 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: who are pushing and saying like y'all, you need to 68 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: you need to be saving your money, you need to 69 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: be you know, doing this, doing that. They're not trying 70 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: to hear us, right. You You mentioned about seeing someone 71 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: over though, So when was the first time you saw 72 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: something and it just made you cry? Um, she's it's 73 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: been a whole Um. I don't know. I don't know either. 74 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,799 Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't even remember the first 75 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: time I actually cried about a client at shelter. Um. 76 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: But I do know the night that we moved into 77 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: the hotel, we definitely um opened my eyes about how 78 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: prevalent the drug the drug use is. The night that 79 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: we I guess, either the night or like the night 80 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: after we moved into the hotel, somebody died from an overdose. Right. So, 81 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: at this time I was doing I was in school, 82 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: so I was like kind of working like the late shift, 83 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: working overnight, you know, just doing some overtime or whatever, 84 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: and I remember coming back to the facility and there 85 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: was so many coming back to the hotel. There was 86 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: cops everywhere, as then why everywhere? And the lady is 87 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: dead upstairs in the room because she she over though 88 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: she took some bad drugs. And I'm just like, like 89 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: that was so I opening, because I'm like, how are y'all? Where? 90 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: Where is it coming from? What is what is the problem? 91 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:06,679 Speaker 1: And I'm just like, yeah, really it pains me because 92 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: my clients will really rather stay in a trauma than 93 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: to really get the help that they need, because because 94 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: I could say all I want that the services are 95 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: not there, but sometimes they are there, and the clients 96 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: are just really not taking advantage of it, and they 97 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: are so scared to really heal and to be great 98 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: that they would rather just stay stuck in that moment, 99 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: stuck in whatever put them there. And I'm just like 100 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: it is it definitely chips away at you. Mm hmmm, 101 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: So how do you not take this home with you? 102 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: I ain't say I don't home. I think sometimes I'll 103 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: be a little bit more meaner to my kids, because 104 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: you know, it just be so heavy. I've wreak sometimes 105 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: and then like, right now, I'm in a process of 106 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: So I started therapy, so I'm in the process of 107 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: learning how to do my own self care and to 108 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: say when I clock out, that's it. I'm not answered. 109 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: I was so accustomed to because I have a work 110 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: phone too, so I was so accustomed to when I 111 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: clock out, I'm still checking my phone, I'm still responding 112 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: to emails, I'm still making cold I'm like, they're still 113 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: on the clock, right and I'm home. I'm home with 114 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: my kids, and instead of helping them do their homework 115 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: or do my own homework, I'm sitting over here responding emails. 116 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,239 Speaker 1: I'm getting upset because I saw something I've read something 117 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: that I didn't like. Or then I see an incident 118 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: report coming, so I'm reading that and I'm saying, well, gosh, 119 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go checking on this client tomorrow. 120 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: But I get in and then I'm trying to figure 121 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: out what when, when am I gonna have time to 122 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: see this person? Blah blah whatever. So it was just 123 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: like so at one point I had to say, because 124 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: I was getting a headache, I'm crying. I'm saying, like, 125 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: what is the like, why am I so overwhelmed, and 126 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: I'm home, like, my how shouldn't be it should be 127 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: my safe my safe space. I shouldn't have to be 128 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: bringing this home with me. So now I just get 129 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: in the habit of for thirty. When I clock out, 130 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: I turned my phone off and I don't turn it 131 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: back on until eight o'clock the next morning. And even 132 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: with my clients, they calling my phone. I have clients. 133 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: They called my phone over the weekend. They calling my 134 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: phone after hours, And I had to really start training myself, like, girl, 135 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: you do not have to answer the phone. You are 136 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: I'm not. I have to keep telling myself I am 137 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: not cool. I'm not an all cool worker. So I 138 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: don't need to be sitting over here answering my phone 139 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 1: every second, ring or trying to figure out oh let 140 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: me respond because and then a lot of times my 141 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: directors may say like, oh, you know, upper management, they 142 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: need this body's time and they want to notice. It's 143 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: the same way even if I take a day off. 144 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: I took off yesterday, and I'm still sitting in my bed, 145 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: answering emails, answering text messages, take your phone calls, and 146 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, girl, are you supposed to be off right, well, 147 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: I'm glad that you in a space that you did 148 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: realize what you need because you're gonna terroate like that, 149 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: like especially with you being a mother. And I'm also 150 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: surprised that show pun provide services for employees when something 151 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: traumatic happens. So we do. We have like grief counselors, 152 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: we have UM the E A P services, we have 153 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: all of that, But to be honest, I just I 154 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: feel like nobody takes advantage of it because it's just like, yeah, 155 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: we are, we're not getting the help that we need. 156 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: Like a lot of things can be a lot of 157 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: things can be avoided if upper management would just learn 158 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: to listen to the people who's really in the trenches, 159 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: right and because the clients, because d Huss and because 160 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: like all these different shouter providers, they take the word 161 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: of the client over the word of the of the 162 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: worker so quickly and so so just like all the 163 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: time that at least stopped feeling like they don't even 164 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: make no sense to fight in the fight because for 165 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: what they're just gonna say, oh, we know, or we're 166 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: working on it or whatever. There's been my staff in 167 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: the past two weeks there's been about three related incidents 168 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: with clients attack and staff and all you see is 169 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: I'm sorry this happened, and it's just like it could 170 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: have been avoided. But what is the procedure, because you know, 171 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: I know that attacks can look different, but at the 172 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: end of the day, somebody can really get hurt. So 173 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: like the procedure can when this happens, because attack can 174 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: be an argument or like somebody like those something that 175 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: you or think back a physical brawl, So like, what 176 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: are you doing that case? And how does leadership leadership 177 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: not protect its employees. I mean for me, I'll just 178 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: be feeling like I feel like they don't care. And 179 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 1: I said this when we had we had to secure 180 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: me in two weeks ago or three weeks ago because 181 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: a client attacked the staff in the corner store, right like, 182 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: so they got into all right, they got into a 183 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: full blown fight in the corner store, and I was 184 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: just like, this is the problem. These the clients, they 185 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: have way too they have way too much access to us, 186 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: and that's in the building and outside of the building. 187 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: They have way too much access to us, and we're 188 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: expected to not fight back, We're expected to make yourself 189 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: right but we're expected to make it seem like we're 190 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: not getting into a whole physical fight. So for me, 191 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: I've never I've never gotten into a fight with a client. 192 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: I've never like I will argue them down all day, 193 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: of course, but I've never had a client like put 194 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: their hands on me. And I've never put my hands 195 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: on a client. But I've seen it happen. It happened 196 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: this morning, as a matter of fact, I damn sure 197 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: that it happened this morning. We'll a client attack the staff, 198 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: and it's just like, this is the problem. These ladies, 199 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: they off they mass, they're not getting the help they 200 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: need and their triggers and they're taking tom bombs, and 201 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: we're just expected to sit there and take it. And 202 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: I don't mean like we we are sitting and let 203 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: them slap us up, but I mean we have to 204 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: sit there and accept that because what what happens is 205 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: so the protocol is if a client attacks the staff, 206 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: you know, we call NYPD E M S. More than 207 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: likely they're gonna get taken to the hospital like a 208 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: mental track. Then I'm gonna get arrested. There's nobody getting 209 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: locked up. You have to do something like super severe 210 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: in order for that to happen. So you they go 211 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: to the hospital and they get released maybe like two 212 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: hours later, and they back up the shelter. Now, just 213 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: something like the fight that happened in the Storm Black 214 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: client was ultimately transferred, but a lot of times what 215 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: will happen is the staff will have to get transferred 216 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: for safety reasons. But you just made me think about 217 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: something because, um, I used to date the CEO and 218 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: a thousand years ago I had one to go to 219 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 1: this particular movie there in the hood because it was 220 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: East New York and that's where I grew up at 221 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: with my girl my house. And he argued me down, 222 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: staying like, yo, I can't go over there. Like if 223 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: somebody see me that I used to um, they used 224 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 1: to be in my sale, it could be a problem. 225 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking about this situation. But it's also like, 226 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: how do you prevent that because you're gonna always be 227 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: outside and this person see you're not easy, just run 228 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: up on you. I mean, if that's anybody that ain't 229 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: valued us anywhere, And so I don't want to make 230 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 1: it seem like you know it is. Well, it is 231 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: kind of like a jail and a shut. But for 232 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: the most part, the clients, they really won't. They unless 233 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: they're in a psychosis or they want some type of trip, 234 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: they're really not going to do anything. Like we have 235 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: more down days than when when we have in the 236 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: days with the incidents, it's it gets hectic, But for 237 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: the most part, the ladies they're good like that. They 238 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: don't they don't get they don't really give us too 239 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: much problems. They like I said, they just want what 240 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: they want when they want it, and that's anybody. But 241 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: when you do have those moments like you just gotta 242 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: you gotta keep your head on the swift and you 243 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: just gotta keep your all have been keeping moving because 244 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: they can always There's been clients fop who follow you 245 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: to the store, follow you to the train, all this 246 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But it's also about setting the boundaries 247 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: to you have to let these ladies know that you 248 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: ain't playing with them. Like me, I'm not a fighter 249 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: at all thirty two another how to fight your day 250 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: in my life, But I let all these clients know, 251 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: like please, don't get it twisted. Don't get it twisted. 252 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna always go I'm gonna always protect minds, 253 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: because ain't nobody's gonna go tell my kids that they 254 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: gotta bury me because oh, she ain't fight back or 255 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: she ain't whatever. Like I've made it very I make 256 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: it known. I will defend myself at all courts. I 257 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: don't care against who. I could always get a new job, 258 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: that's fine. But ain't nobody You're not just gonna run 259 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: up for me. But like I said, for the most part, 260 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: the clients, they'd be so busy and they sight the 261 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: psychosis that they ain't paying you know mine, all right, 262 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: not a one to get a shaken. That's a different story. 263 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: But for the most part, there's really not They're not 264 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: that bad at it. But I just still I can't 265 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: even imagine some of the things that you probably witnessed 266 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: at your job. And I feel like we had this 267 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: conversation before when we first met. But and I think 268 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: I never answer this, but do you think that you 269 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: became decent sized from a lot of things. I'm to 270 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: a lot of things, but I also stay. I also 271 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: make sure that I'm aware about what's going on with 272 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: mental illness, what's going on in the world, and all 273 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: that I like, I try. I know at one point 274 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: I had, Um, I was dealing with like a lot 275 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: of vicarious trauma. So that's why I can't, like when 276 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: it comes to like police shootings and all those kind 277 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: of things, like that's why I can't read about those 278 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: kind of things. But I can't. I can't. I don't 279 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: watch it like me and not She's probably gonna be 280 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: maddening this up, but like, um, that's my boundary, Like 281 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: I don't watch it. I don't like I have to 282 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: tell her, like yo, please stop seeing me that stuff 283 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: because I don't like watching the singing people that look 284 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 1: like me getting I don't want to see I don't. 285 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: It's bad. And if I have to hear about it 286 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: or read about it, but I just cannot take it 287 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: because it really like does something to me. Yeah, I don't, 288 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't read about it or whatever. But 289 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: when it comes to like the mental health and like 290 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: things that I have been going on, especially like in 291 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: New York on the subways, just all that kind of stuff, 292 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: I stay aware because I got kids and my son. 293 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: He my son is a teenager, so he's out there 294 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: and he's traveling on the trains all the time and 295 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: on the buses and all of that. So I try 296 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: to keep myself aware so that way I can let 297 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: him know how to keep himself safe, you know. But 298 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: I'm definitely desensitized to a lot of stuff. Like a 299 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: lot of times I don't have clients come in my 300 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: office and they may be in a mood or they 301 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: may be down, and I don't want to hear it, 302 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: and I'll just be like, I'm not in the mood, 303 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: get out, like I don't want to do. I don't 304 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: want to deal with it because it's just is it 305 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: becomes so much because when you read these like these 306 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: people have I remember I did, I did alive, and 307 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: I was just saying that we have to really start 308 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: being nicer to each other. My client has been through 309 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: some ship like through some like they've been through some stuff, 310 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: and I just be like, how can another human being 311 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: do this to another human being? Right? And I'm just 312 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: like and then and then they leave us to either 313 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: put the client together or try to figure out, you know, 314 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: and I'm just looking and I'm saying, you want me 315 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: to how am I supposed to do this? Because when 316 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: you when you start working the show to system, there's 317 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: no guide book, there's no trainings, there's no nothing. It's 318 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: just like, Okay, show up to this location on this 319 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: day and there you go. So if you get attacked 320 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 1: on your first day, you get attacked on your first day, 321 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. Mm hmm. You 322 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: know you're just saying, think about something that has something 323 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: to do with our conversation. But I know you heard 324 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: about the mayor how he wanna remove homeless people or 325 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: people who st up from mental illness, or anybody that's 326 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: pretty much sleep on the trains all this other stuff 327 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: and he wants to remove down. How do you feel 328 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: about that? It will never work. It will never work. 329 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: First of all, the public system, the treat of the 330 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: system is way too big. It is way too many 331 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: people battling with mental illness. It ain't gonna happen. And 332 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: for starters, a lot of those people sleeping in the train, 333 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: you all my claims, so because and they will tell 334 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: you that they that there, they don't feel safe in 335 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: the shout to So they're gonna go sleep on the 336 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: train tonight, or they're gonna go sleep in the in 337 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: the park and they'll be back whenever they'd be back 338 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: mm hmm. So it's just like and it's got like 339 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: it got because I take the train everywhere, it's gotta 340 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: worse like it's horrid because the shelter systems are so 341 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: we are even at capacty. No, we're not even at capacity. 342 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: And that's what concerns me, right because we have a 343 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: hundred and four beds and right now I would count 344 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: it's probably back at ninety. And when I'll be seeing 345 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: the numbers come in, I keep saying, where are my 346 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: ladies at we are right like, this is a problem 347 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: to me. Why aren't you here in your bad And 348 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: even when I have some clients who go so we 349 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: call it code fifty one when they leave the leave 350 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: the facility, when they lose their bad. So even when 351 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: I hip clients that go fifty one, I'm like, when 352 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: they come back, I'm like, yo, where was that? Like 353 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: what happened? It'll be sometimes with right now, I even 354 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: have a client in my head who I'm like, I 355 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: haven't seen him, and you know a lot of times 356 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: and they say, listen, I'm tired of getting my stuff stolen. 357 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: I'm tired of getting treated like whatever. So I just 358 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: slept on the train and I was talking to body 359 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: about this and it was like, Yo, you really care 360 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 1: about this, And I'm like, for somebody right the train, 361 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 1: I don't see how you not care because something happened 362 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: in the pandemic where there has been an influx of 363 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: people like spazzing out. Like obviously we're in New York, 364 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: so we see things a little bit more than other 365 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: people in different in other cities, but like it's just 366 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:27,719 Speaker 1: been very intensely intense. Ye, Like it makes me very 367 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: uncomfortable to take a train, especially during certain times. I know, 368 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: and I was never like that like me either, I 369 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: could always spot the crazy right so I'm always like 370 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: right now. But also what I learned working in this 371 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: working in this field, is that you can't react because 372 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: that's exactly what they're looking for. They're looking for you 373 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: to react. So then now, so it's like if I'm 374 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: going to train and somebody smell or somebody bugging out, 375 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: you know, you just gotta be a little bit more heightened, 376 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: but don't react because the second that you react, they're 377 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: gonna say, like, Okay, gotta right, gotta and nobody. You 378 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: definitely gotta play cool. You always have to play it 379 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: cool when you're dealing with people who have mental in 380 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: it because you don't know what stage there in in 381 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: their in their psychosis. So you just so like that's 382 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: why I always tell I tell my my big sign, 383 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: tell my knees, like don't go to the train tracks 384 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: until the train has come in. Keep your head on 385 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: the swivel. If something don't look right, you just gotta 386 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: get to a whole bunch of group of people and 387 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: and and you better stay preyed up. That's it because 388 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: you at this point the mental illness and that everything 389 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: that's going on in this world, it's so heavy, and 390 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: it's so frequent, and it's just so just out there 391 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: and happening that you can't avoid it. M Like, I 392 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: don't even have my headphones and no more like I 393 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: might have one end just in case if somebody think 394 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: I'm not paying attention, but when I'm really but like 395 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: i'd be so alert because even like I'm on train 396 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: last night, I think it was smoking we and it 397 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: started by smoking a crack pipe. I said, yea, so 398 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: I know girls, and I'd be feeling for the kids, 399 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: like because you know, there are some people who are 400 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: addicted to drugs that are still like you know, but 401 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: let me just chill out for a minute because I 402 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: see a child here that they very aware, but there 403 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: are other people where these things just don't care, not 404 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: one bit. And I'm just like, and then I'm also 405 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: thinking to myself, like the parents was sitting next to child, 406 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: I'm like, you're gonna have your child sitting next to this, Like, 407 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it's just it's just it's a 408 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: lot going on in New York. Man. So I know 409 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: that you are a mother, and I wonder, how does 410 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: it make you feel when you see single mothers at 411 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: their job? Um? So when I have a lot of 412 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: single moms, but I definitely always take the time to 413 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: ask them about their kids, um because I feel like 414 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: I feel like that always needs to be something in 415 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: the back of his mind. Not as a guilt trip, 416 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: but I just want them to be Like I like 417 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: to bring awareness to my clients and let them know, 418 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: like you sure you want to do this? Like you know, 419 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: we can't. We can't tell them not to do something. 420 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: But I always like, it's a lot of clients who 421 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: have with their kids they may be forced to kill 422 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: on a CS or whatever. So I'll say to them like, oh, 423 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: how's your kids? Did you were you able to go 424 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: to a visit this week? Did you get to see them? 425 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: It hurts me seeing these single mothers, but I get it. 426 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: So a lot of times my clients state they may 427 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: have gone to family shelters and try to that family 428 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: shelter and it didn't work, or for whatever reason, they 429 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: just were not fully equipped to be the parents that 430 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: they need to be. And that's okay, because parents and 431 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: is hard. So I get it. But when you, like 432 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: I said, when you have that mental ning, when you 433 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 1: have the mental illness, and when you have that lack 434 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: of social support, it becomes very hard for you to 435 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: do even basic things. So taking care of a can't. 436 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: I can't expect you to take care of no candy. 437 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: You ain't you You ain't even taking care of yourself. Yeah, 438 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: especially when you don't even know how to take care 439 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: of yourself. Mm hmm. So do you feel like living 440 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: in the shell? So that can't happen to any one 441 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: of us? Yeah. I taught people all the time. We 442 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: all are just one one check away from being right 443 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: in it. Because I have clients who were city workers 444 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: for years. I have clients who maybe it was like 445 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: a fire that I caused them to become homeless, and 446 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: it took them so long to you know, have to rebuild. 447 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: But a lot of them it really is the mental 448 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: and and it really is the drugs that have led 449 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: them into the shelter system mm hmm. And it's like 450 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: they're pulled into it so heavily that they can't get 451 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: out m m. And you know, it made me be 452 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: more aware, and I was really excited about this um 453 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: about our conversations, because you never know why people are 454 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: in the situation that and you may have a very 455 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: good point about people have amazing or maybe let's not 456 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: you say amazing people had jobs and anything happened, Like 457 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people lost their jobs because of the 458 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: pandemic rich results and to them being homeless. So I 459 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: think that's a good point to make, like it could 460 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: happen to any one of us. It really can. And 461 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: that's why you just always have to be mindful about 462 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: the way that you treat people because you just really 463 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: never know. Now I'm not gonna say I'm perfect when 464 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: they come to my ladies, I'm not. And a lot 465 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: of times, you know, I'm maybe in my own mood 466 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: and they come across wrong. But I always keep the 467 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: empathy there, and I always it's very important when you're 468 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: dealing with people who have mental illness and people who 469 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: have substance abuse. There's always a reason why people just 470 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: don't pick up crack, just just just for the sake 471 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: of picking it up. Oh, let me just try this. 472 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: People don't do that. Mm hmmm. And when we start 473 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: really looking at when the shelter system starts humanizing people 474 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: and then be saying that there's a big there's a 475 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: big problem. So probably like a month ago, there was 476 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: so many incidents happening at work, and I kept saying, 477 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: but what the hell is the problem? Right? No, we 478 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: have incidents, right, But I'm I keep saying, I'm like, yo, no, seriously, 479 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: what is going on? Why y'all wnding out like this? 480 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: And it's it was the whole building. It wasn't even 481 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: like it was one or two. It was like we 482 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: getting cold to the floors, we get incident reports less 483 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: than right, I'm like, yo, no, seriously, what the hell 484 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: is going on? Come to find out, Well, what what 485 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: we assumed is that they got a bad bacade too. 486 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: Oh my god, the whole building. Okay, So can't you 487 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: imagine I mean, I'm having twenty three year old girls 488 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: talking about they want to commit suicide and they want 489 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: to do all these things and everything back and forth 490 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: to the highspital or this, and I kept I was 491 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 1: literally sitting in my office like, no, what's the problem, Like, Yo, 492 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: that's scary. A hundred girls when I was right and 493 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: and we all, like all my coworkers and now we 494 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: were really like no, what's going on? Like what's happening? 495 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, why y'all sucking out like this? What's what's 496 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: the problem. So the corner store by my job is 497 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: selling k to so they do that because I know, 498 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: like the stories in Harlem, they can They were doing 499 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: it too. They they can't. So I've been trying to 500 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: figure out how to get them rated. Actually actually did 501 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: a post on Facebook probably like two weeks ago, asking 502 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: for help on how to get them rated because it 503 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: was becoming it was so bad. Like they were they're 504 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: using their food stamps to go up there body cad too, 505 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: they're smoking in the bathroom, they're doing whatever it is 506 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: that they're doing, and they having these bad trips. And 507 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: I just kept saying, it's no, it's not possible that 508 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: all of y'all is wildling out like this at one time. 509 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: So when that happened, that put me on alert. So 510 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: now I'm like, oh, no, we gotta figure this ship out. 511 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: We got this. This is not hot. This is not 512 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: gonna happen on my watch. Like It's really not a 513 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: lot of things I'll turn up blind eye to because 514 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: at this point, trying to get somebody who's been using 515 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: for ten years to stop, that's a task and that's 516 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: one that I'm not um mentally equipped to deal with. 517 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: And when I say mentally equipped, I mean I don't 518 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: have the knowledge on how to help somebody who's dealing 519 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: with a substance abuse issue, especially because I've never had 520 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: one myself. So a lot of times I take a 521 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: back seat when it comes to those things because I 522 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: know that they really aren't just numbing their pain, right 523 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: because we all got demons, right, We all definitely have demons, 524 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: and so I'm just know how to deal with it 525 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: better than others. And a lot of these ladies that's 526 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: what triggered them mental illness, was they and I have 527 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: to always remind them, like, it's not your fault that 528 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: you in the shelter. No, it's not right, I'll be 529 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: having the talking to it ain't my fault. I didn't 530 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: put you here. But I also have to remind them, 531 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: like it's okay if you're here, like it's all right. 532 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: The purpose is not to stay here, like this is 533 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: supposed to be a temporary setting, but because they get 534 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: the they may get a little bit of support that 535 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: they've been longing for, or because you know, I don't 536 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: have to worry about with somebody gonna come. And then 537 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: I have a lot of clients who also they're scared 538 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: to shower, they're scared to change their clothes because something 539 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: happens that I'm in the bathroom. I have clients who 540 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: have asked me, can you please just stand in the 541 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: in the bathroom with me? Can you stand outside the 542 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: door and make sure nobody don't come in here? And 543 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: sometimes I'll be telling them I ain't doing all that. 544 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: I ain't I ain't getting paid to do all that, 545 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: so y'all gonna have to figure that out. But then 546 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: other times it's just like the empathy sets and then 547 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: you're just like, you know what I got you like? 548 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: And then also I can only imagine how it feels 549 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: for you because you know, or you build these relationships 550 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: with these with the women that live there, and when 551 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: they asked you can you stay in the room, you 552 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: take a shower and stuff. How that can just be 553 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: a lot for you because it's like, damn, I why 554 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: she's asking me to do? That's heartbreaking, man. I mean 555 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: I try to. I try not to think about that 556 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: anymore because then it's just gonna leave me in a 557 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: place of always feeling sorry and always sorrow and whatever. 558 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: So I just kind of, you know, if it's something 559 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: that I feel like I want to do at the time, 560 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: I'll do it. And then other times if it's not 561 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: something and it's it's not like it'll be like a 562 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: deep reason why I don't want to. It could just 563 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: be like I don't want to, you know. I don't 564 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: saw you out that honor your boundaries too, because you're 565 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: in a space now where you're a transition of taking 566 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: better care of yourself. So I definitely understand from both points. 567 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: But at the end of that, you are a mother 568 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: and you have yourself like you have to do things 569 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: if that's for you and your family that I'm gonna 570 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: look into that k to thing with you, because that's unacceptable. Yeah, 571 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: that's that's that's beyond me, like, and there's so many 572 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: stories that's doing that ship. I know, I know, but 573 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: I was just really upset because I was like, this 574 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: is really causing a problem, because you know, I've I've 575 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: read about stores selling K two and all that kind 576 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: of stuff and how clients have had that reactions or whatever. 577 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: But when it was happening, I'm like, I was really 578 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: sitting in my office like days out of time, like, no, seriously, 579 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: what the hell, what are y'all doing? Wow, that's insane. Yeah, 580 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: And even one of my colleagues she went to the store. 581 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,719 Speaker 1: She went to the store and she told the man 582 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: she know exactly what he's doing. She said, I know 583 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: you in't here and you sell it. You selling these 584 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: drugs to our girls, and it's causing them to have 585 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: these bad trips. She told him she knows exactly what 586 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: he's doing, and he looked at right in the face 587 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: and laughed. I said, oh, how long, of course he did. 588 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Well that's not least the last time we spoke, 589 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: you shared with me, or the first time we spoke, 590 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: you sharing me that you was had interests of opening 591 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: up your own shelter. And then when we finally met, 592 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: you told me that you change your mind. So how 593 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 1: are you feeling about that? And why is that? Because 594 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: I'm tired of working in this field. It's very working 595 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:31,919 Speaker 1: in this field is very emotionally draining. And the more 596 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: that I started exploring the idea of going to therapy, 597 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: and the more that I just started saying to myself 598 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 1: that I have to start taking better care of myself. 599 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: I was saying, is this what my life is gonna be? 600 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: Is this what I want my life to be? And 601 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: I kept saying, like I'm a I'm a believer of Christ, 602 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: and I kept saying, I know God don't want me 603 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 1: to be doing this for the rest of my life. 604 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: Not that not in a sense of helping people, but 605 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: to keep taking on everybody's burdens and everybody's everything. It's 606 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: a lot, it's a whole lot. And especially the department 607 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: that I work in, I'm responsible for housing. So whether 608 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: they get housing or they don't, I'm in the face 609 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 1: of housing. So I'm always gonna be at full. It's 610 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: always gonna I'm always gonna be the reason why. And 611 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: then I feel like when you work with all these 612 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,760 Speaker 1: outside entities and all these big people in DHS and everything, 613 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: and everybody got their hands and everything, and nobody's listening. 614 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: Nobody is really taking the time out to figure out 615 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: what the real issue is and what the real problem is. 616 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: And when we're sitting here trying to tell you what 617 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,399 Speaker 1: the problem is, you ain't You ain't checking for it, right. 618 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: So I just I feel like that would be a 619 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: lot for me, and I don't want to be I 620 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: want to be in the space that way, I'm taking 621 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 1: care of me, like and that's just that's just real. 622 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: Like I don't want to I don't want to have 623 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: to be constantly on core. I'm not built for their 624 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 1: own core life. I don't want to have to be 625 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: deep in my sleep or on vacation and answering emails 626 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: and trying to figure out this and worrying about transfers 627 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: and an incident doesn't happen, and staff this and we short. 628 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: And I don't want to have to do that. That's 629 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: a big undertaking. And it's not that I can't do it, 630 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: but I don't want to do it at the expense 631 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: of me. And I feel like having my own shelter. 632 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: It's very easy to say what you what you wanna do, 633 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: but to get in that place of what you can 634 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: do is different. There's a lot of rules to these, 635 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: to this game that I have no idea. You know, 636 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot of information that I'm not privy to. 637 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: And it may be that DHS and doing the best 638 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: that they can, and unfortunately we just get in the 639 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,280 Speaker 1: short end of the stick. And maybe that the provided 640 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: I work for is doing the best that they can 641 00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: and I'll get in the short end. But I'm just 642 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: I'm just not there no more. I Like, I got 643 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: my degree in social work and I was like, once 644 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: they came and I looked at it, and I'm like, 645 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 1: I don't even want to be a social work no more, 646 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: because yeah, because I'm just so tired of taking it on. 647 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: I'm tired of being a blak. Even at work, I 648 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: had decided that I was going to So we don't 649 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: really have a system for like giving out mail when 650 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,439 Speaker 1: the clients be a mail. So when I was doing 651 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: my internship over the weekends, I would come and I 652 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: would say, oh, you know, I'm gonna just go upstairs 653 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 1: to the floors and give the mail out because the 654 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: clients they're supposed to come down to the office and 655 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 1: get the mail. But I said, so much mail, they're 656 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: not doing nothing. I'm gonna just go up and give 657 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: it out. So I started doing that on a weekend 658 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,399 Speaker 1: and then I transferred to doing it during the week. 659 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: So it wasn't a problem to me because I'm just like, yo, 660 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,320 Speaker 1: I'd rather them have the mail. That for everybody because 661 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: in carrying on doing all this kind of stuff. But 662 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: then when the psychosis hit, when the drugs hit, when 663 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: the first when the first of the month is getting 664 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 1: ready to come around, and everybody's itching for they check. 665 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 1: Now they're running me down, calling me bitch, calling me fat, 666 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: calling me this, Oh I need my check, you better 667 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: have my money to morrow. They blaming me. They're saying 668 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: I took the check, I stolen money, all this kind 669 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 1: of stuff. So then I had to stop doing it. 670 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: M hmm. But something so small like just the mail, 671 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: because put you in a place where is it becomes 672 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: very overwhelming. And that was something that I volunteered to do. 673 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: So now I have to tell my director, like I 674 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,280 Speaker 1: don't I'm not doing this anymore. You have to designate 675 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 1: this to somebody else. I'm not doing it because I'm 676 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: getting verbally attacked, I'm getting followed around the building, I'm 677 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 1: getting accused of stimin a check. I don't want those problems. 678 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,320 Speaker 1: So it's the same thing with not wanting the shelter anymore. 679 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: I just I can't take the het because people the 680 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: one takeaway that I want anybody who's listening to people 681 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,840 Speaker 1: are suffering. People are struggling right now. And I'm not 682 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 1: just talking about financially, it's mentally, emotionally, spiritually, socially, everything. 683 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: People are struggling and they don't know how to say 684 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: I'm struggling, I need help. M M. The services are 685 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: not there because people are just saying that's it. I 686 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: ain't going back to work, I don't want to work, 687 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 1: I don't want to do this, I don't want to 688 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,879 Speaker 1: do that. So the the resources that were once there 689 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 1: are no longer there, and people are just turned into 690 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: drugs they were. They just gonna numbing and say that right, 691 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna deal with this and then that's it. 692 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: And it's a that's a lot to take on. It's 693 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 1: a lot for one person to walk into a building 694 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,359 Speaker 1: every day and have to have a hundred and four 695 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: people screaming at you saying I want, I need, give 696 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: me this, do this, blah blah blah blaever, it's a lot, 697 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 1: so I don't want it. They can have it. But 698 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: I really appreciate our conversation. Man. I if anybody listening 699 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: to this episode and this wasn't eye opening, like I 700 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 1: don't know what it is, like I really do. And 701 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: I think that's a great takeaway from our conversations. People 702 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: are really suffering, man, and this pandemic probably heightened it 703 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:26,320 Speaker 1: even worse. It exposed it actually and exposed that's a 704 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,800 Speaker 1: better word for it. So if you have any questions, comments, 705 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: but I'm Sorryce, please make sure to email me a 706 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,800 Speaker 1: hello at the PhD podcast dot com. And thank you 707 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: all so much for supporting me. And until next time, everyone, 708 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 1: Later you're I'm gonna say bye, oh bye.