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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, to look back to the emmor Territory podcast.

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Speaker 1: This episode two seventy five. I am your host, Brad

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Speaker 1: ruland coming to you only a Sunday here at the

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Speaker 1: end of September, and I'm joined as always by my

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Speaker 1: good friend Scott Coleman. Scott, the season is over and

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Speaker 1: is our good friend. Former guests of this podcast put

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Speaker 1: it Brandon Gordon, opening day is just one hundred and

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Speaker 1: seventy nine sleeps away. How are you there?

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Speaker 2: You go only six months until Braves Baseball is back

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Speaker 2: in our lives. And I'll say this, I don't know

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Speaker 2: about you, I don't know about people listening to the show,

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Speaker 2: but I usually like a little bit of a break

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Speaker 2: from the Braves after one hundred and sixty two games

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Speaker 2: plus six weeks of spring train, plus obviously no playoffs

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Speaker 2: this year. But if you have playoffs, like you need

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Speaker 2: kind of a mental just get away from the team.

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Speaker 2: At least I do. But you know, the fact that

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Speaker 2: this season went out was such a whimper. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we knew by the All Star break it just wasn't

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Speaker 2: gonna happen. It is what it is, and hopefully this

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Speaker 2: time in the calendar year we are talking about the

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Speaker 2: playoffs rather than kind of a somber more you know,

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Speaker 2: damn it's over kind of thing. It's just, you know,

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Speaker 2: the hand the Braves were dealt this year.

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Speaker 1: That's right, And we should say if we have a

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Speaker 1: new listener, it'd be a good time for people to

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Speaker 1: come on right now, right at the end of the season,

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Speaker 1: like hey, join us, but they should. We don't go away.

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Speaker 1: This is a podcast that's wrapping up this season, our

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Speaker 1: final show of the d season. Kind of cadence on

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Speaker 1: this show. We are gonna be going strong throughout autism.

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Speaker 1: We are Hammer Territory. Please subscribe to this podcast anywhere

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts, Apple, Spotify, et cetera. On the

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Speaker 1: audio side, we're also on the YouTube, so like the video,

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Speaker 1: we have the comments and we definitely appreciate everybody checking

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Speaker 1: out the show always and especially right now as we're

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Speaker 1: going into the kind of dead period. But still there's

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Speaker 1: plenty to discuss with this baseball team moving forward. Let's

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Speaker 1: do one time stamp here Scott because it's like eight

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Speaker 1: o'clock pm Eastern Time on Sunday. We intentionally waited a

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Speaker 1: little bit to record this podcast, not because of the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I won't make you talk about that on this podcast today.

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Speaker 1: But we were waiting because with the game mad at

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Speaker 1: about six o'clock and I thought, hey, we should probably

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Speaker 1: wait to see what the postgame comments are like, perhaps

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Speaker 1: for Brian Snicker, players, announcements, et cetera. Is it possible

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Speaker 1: we could get Brian Snicker news after we record this

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Speaker 1: podcast or during it. Sure, itness but we did. I've

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Speaker 1: covered a lot of games and a lot of different sports, Scott.

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Speaker 1: Usually if there's news coming out of a press conference

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Speaker 1: or whatever, it's usually gonna happen in the first ninety

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Speaker 1: minutes after the game is over, and it has it yet,

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Speaker 1: so time stamp it. That's what we know. What we

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Speaker 1: don't know. What we don't know right now is anything

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Speaker 1: about Brian Snicker's future. So if you do, if you're

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Speaker 1: listening to this podcast tomorrow and you've heard, there'll be

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Speaker 1: a show coming in the speed at some point soon.

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Speaker 1: I promise about that topic. We've been talking about it

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Speaker 1: for two weeks or longer. Honestly, almost every show just

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Speaker 1: kind of mentioning how weird this is. It's still really weird.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you have anything to add on this,

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Speaker 1: but as of right now, Brian Sicker is no longer

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Speaker 1: under contract. So that's what makes this whole, this whole things.

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Speaker 1: It's so strange, all of it.

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Speaker 2: It is very strange. I'm I'm kind of surprised. We

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Speaker 2: haven't heard anything. There was almost radio silence other than

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Speaker 2: a handful of Braves players were asked about Brian Snecker

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Speaker 2: post game and they said, yes, we'd love to have

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Speaker 2: snit back, And I'm sure, do you feel that way?

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Speaker 2: Is what else? What else are they going to say?

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Speaker 2: Right Like? Is Chris Sale going to say, yeah, let's

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Speaker 2: course not. The players like snit They respect Snitt. It

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Speaker 2: is a very odd situation that we have played out

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Speaker 2: the entirety of Brian Snitker's contract and there's been no announcement.

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Speaker 2: And maybe it'll come by the time people listen to this.

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Speaker 2: It could come five minutes after we finished recording. We

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Speaker 2: will see. But it is a massive question, to put

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Speaker 1: It's kind of a big deal. We'll be talking about it,

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Speaker 1: that has been a cloud though, that's hanging over this.

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Speaker 1: maybe tomorrow, maybe Tuesday, we will see Beyond that. The

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Speaker 1: Braves finish seventy six and eighty six for the season,

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Speaker 1: obviously not where they wanted to be the Rover under

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Speaker 1: supposed to be. They weren't there. They did finish better

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Speaker 1: you have one of the Braves have finished strong or

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Speaker 1: just be awful? Basically, is it more frustrating than to

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Speaker 1: have finished strong. I don't really have an answer, like,

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Speaker 1: it's not bad that they finished strong. They were twenty

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Speaker 1: nine and twenty in the last forty nine games. That's

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Speaker 1: a ninety six win pay Scott. So if you want

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Speaker 1: to be an optimist, the last third of the season,

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Speaker 1: they were playing like they were supposed to play. What

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Speaker 1: do you make of that? I'll ask you that. Now,

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Speaker 1: do you care at all that they finished strong because

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Speaker 1: That's the right answer, I think, because I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I can make a case four and against it.

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Speaker 2: If this was a really young team that was kind

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Speaker 2: of on an upward trajectory, then sure, Like if this

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Speaker 2: I would probably talk for five ten minutes about hey,

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Speaker 2: there was a legitimate excitement going above five hundred over

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Speaker 2: the final fifty games. They went fourteen and eleven in September.

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Speaker 2: Of course, this is not necessarily a super young team.

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Speaker 2: It's a very established team. It's a team that underperformed

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Speaker 2: basically up until the middle of August. Is kind of

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Speaker 2: this season was more in line with what kind of

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Speaker 2: is that eighty three wins got you into the playoffs

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Speaker 2: You're telling me that if things didn't go a little different,

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Speaker 2: if the Braves didn't win some of those one run games,

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Speaker 2: that they didn't stay healthier in the pitching staff. I believe,

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Speaker 2: in my true hard of hearts, this team could have

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Speaker 2: just couldn't do it, man. I mean, we talked about

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Speaker 2: them for six months on the show. Every it's how

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Speaker 2: many games did they just kind of piss away. We

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Speaker 1: That's right, and we'll litigate that, I'm sure as we

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Speaker 1: the expanded playoffs is a different subject, but it does

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Speaker 1: lead to the potential of getting into the playoffs with

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Speaker 1: eighty three wins. Like, it's not that's not a good

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Speaker 1: you're not a very good team. Quite frankly, if you

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Speaker 1: win eighty three games, you're not very good. But in

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Speaker 1: the National League this year, that was enough to make

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, and the Brads were not as good as

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Speaker 1: because it's look small wins, right, you gotta find some

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Speaker 1: wins in life. This came out today, I think this

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Speaker 1: from dB passes along the Braves set the Major League

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Speaker 1: Baseball record for most players used in a season. Seventy

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Speaker 1: one players suited up for the Braves this year. Wow,

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Speaker 1: that's again the record in history. Now, all this this

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Speaker 1: pitchers used forty six and most starting pitchers used eighteen

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Speaker 1: a while, we don't though, I don't believe all what

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Speaker 1: you responded this. I don't believe this is a season

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Speaker 1: that was caused by injuries. Like injuries magnified some of

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Speaker 1: the issues that they had. But I don't want us

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Speaker 1: that the bug bit in this year, that's overstanding what

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Speaker 1: kind of speak to like, Hey, in addition everything else,

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Speaker 1: they had a lot of turnover and weirdness and roster

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a dumpster fire for a large part

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Speaker 2: of the season. The injuries were pouring some gasoline on

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Speaker 2: top of the already said dumpster fire. Will said, yeah,

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Speaker 2: And as this upcoming week, more than likely Alexanthopoulos will

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Speaker 2: are available. If I hear one person blame all the injuries, Oh.

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Speaker 1: What's gonna have that's going to happen. I bet you

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Speaker 1: hear you, hud Dog right now on the air. That's

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Speaker 1: going to happen. I promise you it will. That's going on.

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Speaker 2: That was a large part because sure, if they had

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Speaker 2: Spencer Schwallenbach for thirty starts this year, you can bet

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Speaker 2: they would have won more games. Sure if they if

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Speaker 2: Chris Sale doesn't lay out trying to get a complete

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Speaker 2: absolutely win more games. They were quite literally anyone with

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Speaker 2: it impacted them, but they also I mean, they just

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Speaker 1: All right, Scott formid divens is the brave stuff? Can

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Speaker 2: And give a big shout out to the Miami Marlins.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, shuss the Miami Marlins who were playing hard to

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Speaker 1: the end. The Marlins got a little lucky this year.

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Speaker 1: The Braves were out of the playoff picture for two months.

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Speaker 1: It was before you respond, we understand the Braids were bad.

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Speaker 1: We also, I really I grew up. I'm the right

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Speaker 1: the Mets imploding. They were forty five and twenty four.

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Speaker 1: They're the best record in baseball at one point. Scott, Wow,

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Speaker 1: They were they had already cooled off a lot. They

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Speaker 1: about two months ago in late July, they had ninety

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Speaker 2: Just to U Steve Cohen, Yes, and I mean just

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Speaker 2: Pete Alonzo is opting out of his contract and just

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Speaker 1: He had's a free agent. Yeah he's got to. I mean,

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Speaker 2: And yes, and it was expected. But also just like, hey,

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Speaker 2: guess they will maybe the Braves and Mets can charter

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Speaker 1: Who eighty three was the bar like they didn't have

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Speaker 1: We we got a question collectively. I think it was

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Speaker 2: All said and done, I would take the brave situation

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Speaker 2: I'd be disgusted too. It was a collapse of all collapses.

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Speaker 2: And I know, obviously again, I mean the Braves and

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Speaker 2: But I would take the way the Brave season went

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Speaker 2: Verse just kind of dying on the vine very slowly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of a personality test, I think maybe,

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Speaker 1: That's a not where they could have been. They could

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Speaker 1: But uh, the impact of that is not that big.

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Speaker 1: I just want to always say it out loud, like

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Speaker 2: Out, We'll see it. Seems like the Winter Meetings is

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Speaker 2: But again, this does not seem like it's going to

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Speaker 2: We'll see where the Braves ultimately end.

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Speaker 1: Up, yes we will, all right, some observations from the

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Speaker 1: go and order the Braves lose on Friday and Saturday Friday.

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Speaker 1: For me, the only real takeaway that I had is

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Speaker 2: I think so. I think Wentz will be maybe around

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Speaker 2: fortunate to just kind of pluck a diamond in the rough.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know. I mean, maybe we'll talk about

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Speaker 2: Joey Wentz getting a minor league contract sometime this week.

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Speaker 1: So sure that would not surprise me at all. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to pile along, like I hope he

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Speaker 1: does well. And he actually is a guy that I

435
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Speaker 1: think could be in that conversation of like, you know,

436
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Speaker 1: a starter and we do the spin all the time,

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Speaker 1: and we'll do it again now, but like you got

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Speaker 1: to have a lot of starters. If you get him

439
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Speaker 1: an organization for a bargain basement price and you can

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Speaker 1: kind of have him around for spring training, sure fine

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Speaker 1: with me.

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Speaker 2: Game Game seven, World Series tomorrow. Would you, Brad Rowland,

443
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Speaker 2: future manager of the Braves, start Joey Wentz or would

444
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Speaker 2: you start Bryce Elder Elder? I would go Wentz moving on.

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Speaker 2: I didn't.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it was maybe that was me trying to be

447
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Speaker 1: trying to lean into the bit a little bit, because

448
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Speaker 1: you know, I've been a little harsh ond Brice of

449
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Speaker 1: the times. I think Bryce Elder is safer and I

450
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Speaker 1: think Joy Wentz is a higher ceiling. How about that? No,

451
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Speaker 1: it's I don't it doesn't really matter. I hope that

452
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Speaker 1: won't happen. But hey, world Series starts. The list of

453
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Speaker 1: guys who make playoff starts with the Braves over the

454
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Speaker 1: years is kind of funny. Yeah, Dylan Lee, Dylan Lee

455
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Speaker 1: started the World Series or not?

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Speaker 2: Bryce Wilson. Bryce Wilson was the NLCS in the bubble year. Yeah,

457
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Speaker 2: it's I mean, we saw it four years ago. It's

458
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Speaker 2: get weird, man, That's just what That's just what it is.

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Speaker 1: Funny question. Oh, I mentioned already they lost on Saturday. Well,

460
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Speaker 1: if this is not exciting game, I'm gonna make this funny, Scott.

461
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Speaker 1: We got several people tagging us and itching to hear

462
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Speaker 1: from us on Matt Olsen and Bryce Snicker being ejected

463
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Speaker 1: on Saturday. It became like a really like big story

464
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Speaker 1: and I'm not saying it's not a story like we

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Speaker 1: would have mentioned it on the show, but like it

466
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Speaker 1: wasn't going to leave the show, which people. I think

467
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Speaker 1: people were like, I if this is a game that mattered,

468
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Speaker 1: if we were if we were in the playoffs or whatever,

469
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Speaker 1: I'd understand, but like, guys, the game didn't mean anything.

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Speaker 1: It was funny because it was Mattilson's first ever rejection.

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Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, known for being really really even keel

472
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Speaker 1: and he was pissed and I think rightfully so. But

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Speaker 1: I thought it was kind of funny how much people

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Speaker 1: were really getting into it, like lots of lots of

475
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Speaker 1: tweets and lots of articles, and I'm like, it's just

476
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Speaker 1: an ejection, a second last day of the season in

477
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Speaker 1: the meaningless game. Whatever. Sorry.

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Speaker 2: I think Mark Bowman of MLB dot com friend of

479
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Speaker 2: the show, Mark Bowman. Mark, I think Bowman might have

480
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Speaker 2: sent like twenty tweets about this in the twenty four

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Speaker 2: hour period.

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Speaker 1: He was very excited about it. I don't know why,

483
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Speaker 1: but hey, it's okay.

484
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Speaker 2: Yeah, umpire. I mean, come on, guys, no one, no

485
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Speaker 2: one's there to watch the umpires. Umpire. Olson should not

486
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Speaker 2: have been ejected. Maybe, I mean, maybe he was really

487
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Speaker 2: letting the umpires have it from the dugout as he should.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was it was funny. He you know, Snick

489
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Speaker 1: got out, went out and got us. If you missed this,

490
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Speaker 1: stick went out and got and got his back. Snick

491
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Speaker 1: got ejected. That's what Snick does. That's not freight to

492
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Speaker 1: mix it up. Olsen got ejected like minutes later, Like

493
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Speaker 1: it was not like instantly, like sim was already going

494
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Speaker 1: and like I think it was like during the inning

495
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Speaker 1: change is when Olsen got ejected, so and again literally

496
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Speaker 1: the first time he's ever been ejected. So that's that's

497
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Speaker 1: a story in itself. It was just a weird a

498
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Speaker 1: weird play too, like, yeah, you don't usually see that

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Speaker 1: if you missed it, like Olsen got called for interference

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Speaker 1: for basically just doing nothing, Like he finished the swing

501
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Speaker 1: and it wouldn't matter at all, but the guy dropped

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Speaker 1: the pop up, so it became a it doesn't matter,

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Speaker 1: it's just one of those. It was a weird thing,

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Speaker 1: for sure. I just was a I thought it was funny.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you could lip read. And I think

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Speaker 2: Olson said with an explanative, what was I supposed to do?

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Speaker 1: Which is a fair question, I agree.

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Speaker 2: I mean, is he supposed to like dead sprint to

509
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Speaker 2: the dugout so he's out of the way. I mean,

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Speaker 2: come on, guy, what most of the time hitters don't

511
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Speaker 2: even know where the ball is when they foul it off.

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Speaker 1: He would know it was there. It was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like there was a clip in a game the

514
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Speaker 2: other night where a player doubled and he was looking

515
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Speaker 2: like down the line to try to figure out where

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Speaker 2: the ball was and it was in the left field grass.

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Speaker 2: I mean these yeah, just silly.

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Speaker 1: Very silly. Oh quiptonman Mitt Olsen, who had a great season.

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Speaker 1: We've covered it a lot. We'll talk about it later on.

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Speaker 1: But he played every game this year. Again, he has

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Speaker 1: the longest active streaking baseball of games played, seven eighty two.

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Speaker 1: It's the twelve longest streak in mide League history. Just

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Speaker 1: a shout out to Matt like he plays every day.

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Speaker 1: The guy never he never misses. And unlike other guys

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Speaker 1: who like he doesn't get hurt either, like knock on Wood,

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Speaker 1: like he doesn't like play through stuff like make sure

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Speaker 1: he does little things, but like he just plays. He

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Speaker 1: just plays.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, every day you get that high in the baseball

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Speaker 2: record book for anything. I mean that, that's really cool.

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Speaker 1: Twelve in history is a not a small thing. Only

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Speaker 1: I think of Saturday. I won't alwayst get to and

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Speaker 1: you actually notice. I'm glad you did Strider pitch on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: and you know he was fine. The biggest thing was

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Speaker 1: that he is healthy. Now he's going into the off

536
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Speaker 1: season healthy. Nothing else really matters to me about Strider,

537
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Speaker 1: like he pitched better at the end of the year,

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Speaker 1: but the fact that he is healthy, which means he'll

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Speaker 1: have a full hopefully knock on wood off season. He

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Speaker 1: made comments about that going uh when he was asked

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Speaker 1: about it after the start on Saturday, But like you

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Speaker 1: brought it up, But it's a great point, Like he's healthy.

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Speaker 1: That's big for everybody involved.

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Speaker 2: I think, yes, it's huge. Hopefully no restrictions this offseason

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Speaker 2: for Strider. He had a great quote after the game

546
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Speaker 2: that was along the lines of, like, I need to

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Speaker 2: do a neurological reset of my upper right body. I

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Speaker 2: love me, I need to. He's a freak and almost

549
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Speaker 2: like a nerd, and like the most endearing way possible

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Speaker 2: about pitching. It's why I'm I'm pretty confident that Spencer

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Speaker 2: Strider is going to get this thing figured out.

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Speaker 1: Totally agree. I've been optimistic. I still am. He'll have

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Speaker 1: to rework some things, but we saw that already a

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Speaker 1: little bit down the stretch. We'll talk about that more

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Speaker 1: later on the off season, but he's healthy. Good on him,

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Speaker 1: and good on the Braves as they head into that

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Speaker 1: situation because they wanted, honestly, the best person of the

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Speaker 1: Braves has special Strider being good and he signed for

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Speaker 1: All Right, Scott let us discuss Sunday's season finale. If

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Speaker 1: you don't mind, I will take a minor lead on

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Speaker 1: the first part of this because I fulfilled my promise

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Speaker 1: to Braves Country. I said, if Charlie Morton number one,

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Speaker 1: we said this is a week ago, this before he

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Speaker 1: was even acquired by the team. I said on the

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Speaker 1: show with You that if he made a start, I

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Speaker 1: would go, and I did. I won't lie to everyone.

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Speaker 1: I did not stay the entire game today because I

591
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Speaker 1: had a lot of things to do, but I stayed

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Speaker 1: through Charlie's portion of the events. I was by myself,

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Speaker 1: like a crazy person walking around Truis Park by myself,

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Speaker 1: but I went and it was cool. Man. Obviously, I'm

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Speaker 1: in the tank for Charlie, so I will let you

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Speaker 1: keep me in check on this, but I thought I

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Speaker 1: thought it was really cool. You know, I'm cynical at heart.

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Speaker 1: I'm also a softy, deep deep, deep down about sports

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Speaker 1: generally speaking, especially but you know, Saale insisting on Morton's

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Speaker 1: starting the game is what happened, because you know, if

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Speaker 1: we listened to Sean Wednesday, the Brids announced the probables

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Speaker 1: and it wasn't more it wasn't moret and we talked

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Speaker 1: about it, and then Sale apparently went and we're like, no,

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Speaker 1: Charlie started, I'll come out, I'll come out of the bullpen,

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Speaker 1: and you know all the things. So, before I dive

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Speaker 1: in any more detail, what did you think from the

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Speaker 1: outside being, Oh, yeah, your colts were playing to it

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Speaker 1: at the same time, you were not as dilinan as

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Speaker 1: I was, for obvious reasons. But Uh, what do you

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Speaker 1: think about where they handle this?

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Speaker 2: You just had to get that jab in their bread.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm just explained he did the context, just the

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Speaker 1: cont I didn't say. I didn't say about the Colts result.

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Speaker 1: They were playing at the same time, That's all I said.

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Speaker 1: They were.

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Speaker 2: It was really cool for Charlie Morton and with his

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Speaker 2: family on the field. They had Frank Sinatra playing My

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Speaker 2: Way over the Pa and it was very Charlie Morton.

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Speaker 2: It was a high wire act from the opening pitch

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Speaker 2: and at one point I was like, oh no, like,

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Speaker 2: Charlie can't give up three runs here in the first inning.

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Speaker 2: That would be such a bummer of a way to

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Speaker 2: go out. And then in the second inning got that

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Speaker 2: first stout and then I mean, rightfully, the Braves let

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Speaker 2: Charlie have his flowers. Just an all time good guy,

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Speaker 2: probably more like a Hall of very good Charlie doesn't

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Speaker 2: have any Hall of Fame chance the way that you

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Speaker 2: know some of the other older players, like Justin Verlanders

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Speaker 2: retiring or very likely retiring, Clinton Kershaw's retiring, like Charlie

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Speaker 2: isn't in that.

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Speaker 1: Not even I would put Charlie in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: Conversation, right, but he deserves to be remembered for a

633
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Speaker 2: multiple time World Series champion, pitched in the World Series

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Speaker 2: on a broken leg, gave it everything he had. I

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Speaker 2: mean just, I mean just an all time good good dude.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'm glad the Braves were able to

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Speaker 2: bring Charlie back in a meaningless game. I mean, sure,

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Speaker 2: if this was like last year where the Braves are

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Speaker 2: playing up until the very final minute of Game one

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Speaker 2: sign of course, but circumstances and all that aside, bring

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Speaker 2: Charlie back, let him go out on top or as

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Speaker 2: on top as he can. I guess in this scenario

643
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Speaker 2: it was. It was really cool.

644
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know some of it had to do with, yeah,

645
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: he pitched with the Braves and World Series hero and

646
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: the broken leg, all that stuff also drafted by the Braves,

647
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: Like that was the I think people that maybe are

648
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: younger missed that added level, Like I don't think that

649
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: he would have gotten this exact treatment if he hadn't

650
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: come up with the Braves organization as a young guy,

651
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: Like he might have still gotten a little bit, but

652
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: it probably wouldn't have been this quite the fever pitch

653
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: like and I thought that was a long time It

654
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: was twenty years ago. I mean, it's a long time

655
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: ago that he was pitching with the Bras minor league

656
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: system and making his way up. But that was part

657
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: of this too. The fact that the strikeout you mentioned

658
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: his second ending came on a pretty vintage curveball, which

659
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: he still has. The curve ball when it snaps is

660
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: still disgusting, even though Charlie's whatever, he is forty one

661
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: years old. Yeah, cool tribute video. Charlie is such a

662
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: humble guy.

663
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: You know.

664
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: I love this little touch that Sale came all the

665
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: way to the mound, took the ball from him Like

666
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: usually when you hand the ball off, you hit the

667
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: ball to the manager, right, you don't see the reliever. Yeah,

668
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: and Sale came all the way from the bullpen to

669
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: get the ball. I thought that was really cool too.

670
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: Ca Sale again was part of why he started the game,

671
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: the family thing, all the stuff.

672
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: So and go ahead. I was gonna say. Fun note. So,

673
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 2: Charlie Morton you mentioned drafted by the Braves, came up

674
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: with the Braves, was traded June third, two thousand and nine,

675
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: so sixteen years ago, and Charlie kept going. A guy

676
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 2: who reinvented himself and just for funzies, here's the headline.

677
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: The Braves traded Charlie Morton Gorky's Hernandez. Do you remember

678
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: Gorky's Hernandez.

679
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: I remember this traid like it was yesterday because I'm

680
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: a psycho, so yeah, me too, it was it.

681
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: Was my brother's birthday, of all days. And Jeff Locke

682
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: I think was a lefty pitcher. I don't remember him

683
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: quite as well as Gorky's Hernandez. But alas for Nate mccloth,

684
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: who all started a cloth Yeah, never quite worked out

685
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: with the Braves, but yeah, to get back Charlie Morton,

686
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: tip of the cap to Chuck made himself a hell

687
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: of a lot of money this last decade after he

688
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: kind of reinvented himself with the Houston Astros, multiple World

689
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: Series rings. It's it was really a cool, full circle

690
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: type of story.

691
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: We will stop, but that was cool. That was kind

692
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: of the headliner today. Obviously people will mention this too,

693
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: like it could have been the last game for Azuna

694
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: in a Braves uniform, but think it probably will be,

695
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: not definitely, but probably will be. I don't know I

696
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: how they're going to operate this. They could bring him back.

697
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: They still like him by all accounts, but dh only

698
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: we've discussed this a number of times. We'll say it

699
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: for the off season, but that could have been his

700
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: last game. To keep that in mind as a guy

701
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: who's been there for six years and was a big

702
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: part of some stuff with the Braves. Beyond that they

703
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: won the game. Well, he was there six seasons, six seasons.

704
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty was the debut for marcell It's crazy. Obviously

705
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: he missed like a year and a half or whatever

706
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: it was in the middle and then had had the

707
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: downturn of like when he was really bad. I mean

708
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: quite a quite an up and down for Marcelo Azuna

709
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: that we've covered the entire way. But man, weird other

710
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: than that, other than like the Charlie stuff, and you know,

711
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: Chris Sale look good. Shocking, Chris Sales good at baseball

712
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: when he's pitching. Another guy who's healthy right right now.

713
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: Also yeah, also healthy going into the off season. That's massive.

714
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: Ronald Kunya hit a home run on the first ending

715
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: that was an absolute smoke and I was still there.

716
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: The crack, the way he hits the ball, it's not

717
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: this is a very moneyball, old school scout thing. The

718
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: way the ball sounds off that man's bat, He's he's

719
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: an alien. Ronal Cuon is an alien. I think it

720
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: was four fifty one beat on that one. Ronald, you

721
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: remember when he hit seventh? Sorry, I had to one

722
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: more time in the season. He's really good. It's just

723
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: breaking news romic. He's good. Anything else from today that

724
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: you want to add, it's Vegas.

725
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: The Vegas overhead on on half a mention of Ronald

726
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: Lacuna Junior being a seventh place hitter. All of Vegas

727
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: just erupted, knowing that it was a possibility, and we

728
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: got to get it in one more time.

729
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: If you had today I went, I would have left

730
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,719
Speaker 1: it alone, but it was I think he's actually I'm

731
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: gonna one more time about show wasn't crazy, but I

732
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: think his doubsit plus was like it was like one

733
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: sixty for the season. Yeah, once it won sixty one

734
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: wsit plus for all the cud.

735
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

736
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: Uh, he's a star, all right. The other couple things

737
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: we'll get out of here. Drake Baldwin, I think he

738
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: went over to day, but he had a big weekend

739
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 1: before this and his last two weeks. He was quite

740
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: a finishing kick for Rookie of the Year as well.

741
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 1: I'll say like he finished very strong. He had nine

742
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: extra base hits ohps, like eleven hundred the last two weeks.

743
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: And I actually looked this up. We talked about this

744
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: a little bit a few days ago with you and

745
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: I on the show, and I said then I would

746
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: have voted for Drake if I had to vote. I

747
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: think even stronger now and not because the way this

748
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: ended up. I actually didn't realize how big of a

749
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: like Fangrafts war Bastall reference war lead he has on

750
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: Kate Horton. It's like a game or like a full

751
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: win or more on both sides. Like wait, how was

752
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: he not the favorite? Like what's going on here? I

753
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: don't get it.

754
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: I don't either. I'm pulling it up here live just

755
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 2: to see what the awards are. And of course it's buried,

756
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: so we'll look it up here in a minute.

757
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: But I've got I've got it. I've got it. Actually,

758
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: I think they took up the twelf board. Yeah it's

759
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: a draftings it is now off the board. Yeah that's

760
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: where I was looking. So they uh, maybe maybe they

761
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: have to wait for something, but he was. But Drake

762
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: was the underdog guys this morning, I know still And

763
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: for me, how do you feel about this? I think

764
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: for a pitcher to win any award that has that's

765
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: not just a picture's award, like any m v P,

766
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: especially VP, even more so VP, but even Rookie of

767
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: the Year, I felt like if you were, if you're

768
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: a pitcher, you gotta be like notably better for me

769
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: to be than than the best hitter. And I think

770
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: the fact that Drake was catching as well like Horton was,

771
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: was good. He had a good eat, a good season.

772
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, I I thought it was closer than it

773
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: was in my head and I looked at it and

774
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: I was like, this is just shouldn't be particularly close.

775
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: I don't think that's just me.

776
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 2: And I'm fascinated to see how the voting breaks down,

777
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 2: because I agree with everything you said. If Baldwin was

778
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 2: a spacemen with those numbers, it's it's probably not very close.

779
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: But the fact that he is a catcher and was

780
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: just so good both offensively defensively, had a really nice

781
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 2: strong finish to the year. And you know, I'm curious

782
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,959
Speaker 2: to see, like Caate Horton did get injured the last

783
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: week of the year, and that made headlines. It might

784
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: be just enough to stick in the back of a

785
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: mind of a voter. Well, Horton was hurt, Maybe I

786
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: dock him a little bit for that. Not a major injury,

787
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: but nonetheless, and you know, like Kate Horton two point

788
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: six seven e ra fantastic, that's really really good. But

789
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: his underlying data is good, but not like out of

790
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: this planet. He benefits because the Cubs might have the

791
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 2: best one through nine defense in the Majors, so he

792
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: benefited from that.

793
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: Cad.

794
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: Horton's FIP was an entire run worse three point five

795
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: to nine. His ex FIP, which balances out home runs,

796
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: was four point two seven. So if voters, and we

797
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: don't know who the voters are, but if the voters

798
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 2: are maybe more in palytically inclined, that might hurt Horton's chances.

799
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: If they get Bob the Boomer at the Cincinnati Inquirer

800
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 2: who looks at eras and wins, it might be tougher

801
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: than for Drake to get the vote. Well, we'll see

802
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: how it plays out.

803
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: But Bob the Boomer is a good one. I like

804
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: that one. No one more thing too. Horton through one

805
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: hundred and eighteen innings, which is fine, but you know,

806
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: one of the knocks on a catcher in particular sometimes

807
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: in these awards things that they don't play to play

808
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: every day. Other than cal Raley, no one plays. They

809
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: don't play every day. Yeah, and Drake only had I

810
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 1: think it was like four hundred in the four hundreds

811
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: in played appearances, which is a full season, Like he

812
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: played one hundred twenty four games a lot for catcher,

813
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: but normally that might be a slight demerit. But Horton

814
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: only threw one hundred eight ten innings. It wasn't like

815
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: he was throwing every day every fifth day for the

816
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: whole season and made thirty two starts like he made

817
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: twenty two starts, So cumulative value all those things. We'll

818
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 1: probably let it get this again when the awards stuff

819
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: starts getting closer finalist time. I am very very confident

820
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: that Drike will be a finalist, So that'll be a

821
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: discussion point when that happens. Whether he wins or not,

822
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: we'll see, but I would be voting for Drake Bowin.

823
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: I'll say that one more time.

824
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: I'll me too, and hopefully Bob the Boomer does two.

825
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: All right, let us discuss a player that the Braves

826
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: actually added to the roster on Friday, so we have

827
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: had a show since then, but it was it was

828
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: not quite Hassan Kim in terms of big names, but

829
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: illegitimately pretty decently sized big name off of Waivers on Friday,

830
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: and it's Alec Manoah, former Blue Jays pitcher claimed the

831
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: famous that he was an All Star and finished third

832
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: and say young voting in twenty twenty two, so not

833
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: that long ago. Three years ago he was like the

834
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: twenty three to twenty four years old and was like

835
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: a budding star. And since then it's been all rough

836
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: between injuries and struggles on the mound to the point

837
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: where he was dfaied and then put on waivers. The

838
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: Braves claimed him and optioned him to the Miners at

839
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: the end of the season because he wasn't gonna be

840
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: able to pitch for the scene. So I'll throw it

841
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: to you, what did you make of this? Because again

842
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: a much bigger name. The Braves have been claiming guys

843
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: like it's going out of style, Like it's been crazy.

844
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: How many guys have added in the last month, but

845
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: Manoa short of Kim and maybe you know, Fredley is

846
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: a pretty big name too by the standards. But Alvanoa

847
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: was literally a third and Si Young three years ago.

848
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: Like this is real, this is a real talent to

849
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: nothing else.

850
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny when it was announced that the

851
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 2: Blue Jays were dfaing Alec Manoa, like everybody was like,

852
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: all right, Braves, you're gonna put a claim in.

853
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: Everyone new, everyone knew right away.

854
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: The record for roster claims in the final month of

855
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: the season goes to Alex Entopless. You know, it's been

856
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: rough for Ack Minoa for a few years. Has not

857
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: pitched well, had mixed results in the minor leagues this

858
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 2: past season, did not throw a pitch in the majors.

859
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 2: I think May ended up making ten starts in the

860
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 2: minor leagues. Was okay, started out pretty rough, but got

861
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: better as it progressed. But if you're the Braves, like

862
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 2: why not, why not kick the hires and see if

863
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 2: there is anything here. If during the offseason you have

864
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: to squeez him off your forty man roster, you can

865
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: do it, no harm, no foul. If you bring him

866
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 2: to spring training and he has a fifteen ERA through

867
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: three appearances. You release him, No harm, no foul. But

868
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: it kind of feels like for Manoa, this is like

869
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: maybe his last chance to kind of get things figured out.

870
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: And I mean, the Braves, to their credit, have done

871
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: a terrific job developing pitching over the years. Let's hope

872
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: that Rick Kranitz is back with this team. If there's

873
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: a new manager, regardless of the manager situation, let's hope

874
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: Rick Kranits is back and maybe the Braves can find

875
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: a diamond in the rough. And if not, then then

876
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: no harm, no foul.

877
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. And a few things like the year after his

878
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: Cy Young worthy performance, he had a really really bad

879
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: just performance season like kind of had this. It was

880
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: a national story, like, man, what's going on about Minot

881
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: right then he had some injury issues. He had Tommy

882
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: John in twenty twenty four, and that's part of why

883
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: he did pitch the majors this year, Like it's a

884
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: year long recovery. He didn't throw a pitch in the

885
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: minors until like mid July, so like that's kind of

886
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: what happened there. Plus the Blue Jays, you know, we're

887
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: in the hunt the entire water in the playoffs. They

888
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: couldn't afford to just bring it up and like try

889
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: him because they had no margin for er they had.

890
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 1: They were in full on playoff mode, so they couldn't

891
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: just try him in the middle of season. In the

892
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: middle of that post him. I will say I actually

893
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: knowed people that cover the Blue Jays pretty well. There

894
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: were some people that were surprised that he was DFA

895
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: by the Blue Jays because importantly he's arbitration eligible and

896
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: he has minor league options still. So that was why

897
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this is not just not Joey Wentz.

898
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: For instance, we talked about earlier, where Joey like there's

899
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: so much there's no it's not as easy to keep

900
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: him around. There's more positions like without Vanila, like he

901
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: might be making two million dollars two and a half

902
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: million dollars three million dollars next year and have minor

903
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: league options. Like if he shows anything, if he shows

904
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: anything that that they like, they might want to keep

905
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: him around just because of the talent, the talent level,

906
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 1: the age, and the flexibility because all of these Brice

907
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: Eller doesn't have oppics anymore like they guys that have

908
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: money league options. It could be a blessing and a

909
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: curse for those guys, but it helps roster and Alex

910
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: is big on roster flexibility, as we've discussed a million times,

911
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: Like he likes to have this people to kind of

912
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: shovel guys around, so he might be done. We have

913
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: no idea how good, but Noah's going to be but

914
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: a talent like this coming off an injury. The Braves

915
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: have a knack on this kind of stuff, Like I

916
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: like this move. I'm not gonna tell you it's gonna work.

917
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but zero risk, like literally zero risk.

918
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: So sure, yeah, yeah, why not.

919
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: Maybe they can make some adjustments, Maybe they can mechanically

920
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: tweak some things, Maybe they can adjust the pitch mix

921
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 2: that he uses. Again, I mean, the Braves have done

922
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: a really good job for the most part over the

923
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: last handful of years getting the most out of their

924
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: healthy pitching. I think that's more than fair to say,

925
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 2: with the healthy talent available to them, they have more

926
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 2: times than not come out on the positive end than

927
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 2: the opposite. So yeah, it's it's a no risk thing

928
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: you can move on. It's why not, And in fact,

929
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: Wenoah gives you an impactful in twenty twenty six, then

930
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: you just kind of got it for basically free.

931
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: Yep, And that's one reason I am pretty confident in

932
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: Mina would have been claimed by someone else. The Braves

933
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: are hot, are pretty highly priority. Take advantage of that

934
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: while you have it. It's a rarity that they would

935
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: be there. So there you go, Scott, Is there anything

936
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: else you want to touch on before we get out

937
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: of here, because look, the playoffs start Tuesday. We'll probably

938
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 1: do a little bit of playoff talk because we like baseball,

939
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: not gonna be deep diving into playoffs like we would

940
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 1: with the Braves. But basically it is now all season

941
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: mode for us. It doesn't mean that we're gonna go dark.

942
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna be very busy, particularly this week. I think

943
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: given that we're probably gonna get an alex Press conference,

944
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: we might get a standing out spending any day three

945
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: things full circle, But uh, feel free to anything else

946
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: you'd like to. If not, we'll look forward to the

947
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: winter months because it's it stays busy for us on

948
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: the show. I just learned that there were no no

949
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: hitters this year, Brad, that's correct, first time in a

950
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: long time, only the fifth time in the divisional era,

951
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 1: which is nineteen sixty nine. There was no no hitters

952
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: kind of a I had no idea.

953
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 2: Anyway, nothing to add Braves wise, you know, Brad. This

954
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: was the season with a lot of hope and optimism

955
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 2: and the hope that we could put a devilish twenty

956
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 2: twenty four behind us, and it just never came together.

957
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: And the first week of the year was rough and

958
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: it never really got better from there. And because of that,

959
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: it's just hopefully this is just kind of a blip

960
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 2: on the radar for the Braves. Let's hope this is

961
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: just a one off. Next year they're back to winning

962
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: ninety plus games. They're back to winning in the playoffs,

963
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 2: which is something they have not done very much of

964
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: since the World Series. It feels like kind of a

965
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 2: critical offseason for this franchise right now, and twenty twenty

966
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 2: six feels like a critical on field season because, yes,

967
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: you can point the injuries this year, yes you could

968
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 2: point the injuries last year, but at the end of

969
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 2: the day, you got to win ball games. That's something

970
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 2: the Braves need to get back to doing. And in

971
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: my heart of hearts, I think next year is going

972
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 2: to be a much better season, but I say that

973
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: fully realizing that there are some very large questions for

974
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: this team in the next six months to address.

975
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: Absolutely, the heat is now on. I think that because

976
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: they made the playoffs last year, it was a frustrating season.

977
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four, they made the playoffs, the heat

978
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: wasn't really on like it was on like we wanted

979
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: them to figure it out. But now, once you've had

980
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: a season like this, the patience level is far lower

981
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: from fans, from maybe even ownership level. We don't know

982
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: how they're feeling with Terry mccach as such, but yeah,

983
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of pressure, a lot of external pressure,

984
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: probably a lot of internal pressure before you even get

985
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: into the reality of the uncertainty and some spots. I

986
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: was a bride sticker number one on the list. Yeah,

987
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 1: has on Kim decisions on his side on the branch side.

988
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 2: One more note, I'm sorry to cut you off. Hawes

989
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: Kim ended with a ninety one w RC plus with

990
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 2: the Braves. He was awesome, then terrible, then awesome, and

991
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: then terrible. You'd weird kind of month. Because we're only

992
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: talking about such a small sample but that's a I

993
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: feel like the Hassan Kim decision is like fifty to

994
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 2: fifty at this point.

995
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, that's a that's a show in itself. I

996
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be at Brave next year. How they

997
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: how they get to that, we'll see. And by the way,

998
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: that's not I mean saying not one hundred percent sure.

999
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: I think if you get if you maybe choose Brave

1000
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: or no, I would say Brave, but not by nine percent.

1001
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: So me too. And but the path there could be interesting,

1002
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: whether it has to be very interesting.

1003
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: Uh you know again, Sticker's gonna get the headlines. But

1004
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: you got Hassan Kim, you got the Ausi Alwis team option,

1005
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: You've got what are you gonna do with d H

1006
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: slash outfield, all these things? You know, Hot Stove season.

1007
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: We'll be doing player breakdowns we always do on the show.

1008
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: Free agency will be a talking point. The pitching staff

1009
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: is always a top talking point there. How about this

1010
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: for a sleeper announce season? World Baseball Classic is this

1011
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: one's here. It's not till like February and March, but

1012
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: it's coming. That's before the season starts. A lot to

1013
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 1: talk about under meetings in December. Draft lottery mentioned earlier

1014
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: as a topic. So we will be doing shows all

1015
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 1: winter long, probably not four a week like we average

1016
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: drive the season. There'll be some weeks what it's for,

1017
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: but they'll be content multiple times each week. We'll have podcasts.

1018
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: That's the plan. Stay tuned, keep it locked here. If

1019
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: you're new to the podcast, it's not only Scott and

1020
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: I but also Steven Tolbert and Sean Coleman do a

1021
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: great job always with us. We missed match on occation

1022
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Speaker 1: when we're busy and such and swap around. But please

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1030
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Speaker 1: the support and all of that. Scott, where can folks

1031
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: find you all winter long with all of your brilliant

1032
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: musings across the Sports Planscape.

1033
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: The hot takes will flow at Scott Coleman fifty five

1034
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 2: and again, just one more big thank you to everybody

1035
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Speaker 2: and the tech lords. But yeah, we keep going, man,

1039
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: I mean, let's hope for a busy offseason. I have

1040
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 2: a hard time thinking it's going to be a slower

1041
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 2: off season than what it was last year. Maybe that's

1042
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: famous last words, but let's get this team back to

1043
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 2: where we want them to be.

1044
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 1: Brad, let us do that and again in the next

1045
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: couple of days. You almost have to get something on

1046
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: the manager one way or the other, just a comment

1047
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: from Alex or somebody plus Alex as the usual. Of course,

1048
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: last year's pres conms went went a lot of different

1049
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: directions with Alex, made a lot of news and then

1050
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: didn't always follow through all those things. But hey, play

1051
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: and discuss in the near future, so stay tuned. Thank

1052
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: you Scott for being here, as everybody else, we appreciate

1053
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Speaker 1: you being here. Two subscribe and we'll see everybody next time.