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Speaker 2: Dan Rupeestein, all right, what are we doing today?
Speaker 3: Huhil Hildenbruns, what's it? Says? April seventeenth. April seventeenth, Yeah,
Speaker 3: April the seventeenth, which means I believe Oregon's spring game
Speaker 3: is this coming Saturday. Has Notre Dame had its spring game?
Speaker 3: Not name did have its spring game. Yes, all I
Speaker 3: saw from that was your future savior filled your COVID.
Speaker 3: That's right, Drohovic. Drkovic not super good. No, there's a
Speaker 3: little bit of concern. I know.
Speaker 1: I remember when he was recruited. He was a blue
Speaker 1: chip recruit. But when he came in, I watched some
Speaker 1: of the highlights and I'm not gonna fashion myself any
Speaker 1: kind of throwing expert, Okay, any kind of mechanical I know,
Speaker 1: it's hard to believe.
Speaker 3: Noted high school second basement.
Speaker 1: I'm not George Whitfield out there coaching the quarterbacks. But
Speaker 1: you were excited to start him. I was pretty excited
Speaker 1: about Field jer Kovic.
Speaker 3: But he's got a little bit of a wonky delivery, okay.
Speaker 1: And I saw Brian Kelly talking about Filed Djerkovic. He
Speaker 1: was a chorus more diplomatic about it because it's one
Speaker 1: of his players, but he just basically said, he's got
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff going on with that delivery. Well,
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff going on that we got to
Speaker 1: try and hiron outs. Yeah, yes, it's mildly concerning. Thankfully,
Speaker 1: I we're.
Speaker 3: Leading with Notre Dame's backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: It organically got here. There are some concerns about filled Jerkovic.
Speaker 1: They'll they'll hopefully iron things out. But yes, to answer
Speaker 1: your question, Notre Dame spring game was this past weekend.
Speaker 1: Spring games are ongoing now. It's that time of year
Speaker 1: as we get into mid April. We've got a list
Speaker 1: of teams here that have gone through their spring games
Speaker 1: and we're going to focus in on the sources of
Speaker 1: optimism that have arisen from spring practice some of these
Speaker 1: spring games that we've seen a handful of programs. And
Speaker 1: we're not going to do a Fantasy Things draft. That's
Speaker 1: for later and we're not drafting. We're not drafting, we're
Speaker 1: not we're not doing anything like that. But we are
Speaker 1: talking about spring things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, spring things. And as it relates to filled Yourkovic,
Speaker 3: Jim Jim Furick has made a lot of money Tye
Speaker 3: with a wonky delivery, yas he has that maybe it's
Speaker 3: just Hideo Nomo.
Speaker 2: It's up there, just okay, it's it's it's different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to be talking about topics other than
Speaker 1: fild your Kovic's waking delivery. I just knowing that I
Speaker 1: wanted to feel like that could be a fantasy thing selection.
Speaker 2: Now, oh god, the more we talk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the annual esoteric Notre Dame thing that gets
Speaker 3: Notre Dame fans super excited and riled up and everybody
Speaker 3: else in the crowd like, yeah, okay, another Brian Kelly thing.
Speaker 3: I love that. That's my favorite thing.
Speaker 2: So there will be those this year.
Speaker 3: We'll dive in he later. So we I have a
Speaker 3: list of five states, not American states, but schools ending
Speaker 3: in state the sort of state of the state Spring
Speaker 3: optimism thing or not a thing. Addition, it's a mouthful.
Speaker 2: They are well short states though to be clear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're all they are all American states, and they
Speaker 3: also have the word state in their title. And here's
Speaker 3: what we're going to do. You mentioned the optimism keyword.
Speaker 3: We're going to go through each of these five schools,
Speaker 3: these state schools, and I'm going to present to you
Speaker 3: an optimistic Spring narrative. Okay, and you and I will
Speaker 3: each decide, maybe we'll agree, maybe we'll disagree. If we
Speaker 3: were truly doing like a like a serious XM cable
Speaker 3: sports cable news, we would agree to disagree on each
Speaker 3: of them, Like, Okay, which side do you want?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: Cool, cool, cool, But I don't know if that's going
Speaker 3: to be the case. So we are going to decide
Speaker 3: whether or not this optimistic spring narrative will indeed be
Speaker 3: a fall autumnal thing or not a thing.
Speaker 1: What was that autumnal? Autumnal? Holy crap? Okay, hell yeah,
Speaker 1: keep going.
Speaker 3: Let's start here because this is a school that I
Speaker 3: would love to see succeed, because I've enjoyed watching his
Speaker 3: offenses and his teams in years past. Mississippi State. That's right,
Speaker 3: We're we're leading with klanga. So the optimistic spring narrative
Speaker 3: would be that there passing game in year two of
Speaker 3: the Joe Morehead era with a new starting quarterback and
Speaker 3: Keton Thompson will be competent, slash above average, slash impressive,
Speaker 3: slash promising, whereas these past couple seasons one with Morehead,
Speaker 3: one without one in the Dan Mullen era, not necessarily
Speaker 3: the case. Okay, So you're the optimistic view is ooh,
Speaker 3: we're in like mid October. We look up and say, ooh,
Speaker 3: Mississippi State, complete offense, fun, interesting, weird, new that kind
Speaker 3: of thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, I would amend this optimism a bit. Okay, I
Speaker 1: would not focus solely on the passing game, I would
Speaker 1: focus on the quarterback position as a whole. Now with
Speaker 1: Nick Gerald leaving, that opens the door for Keton Thompson
Speaker 1: to get some more regular experience at the quarterback position.
Speaker 2: Going to be a true Joine Year.
Speaker 1: Saw some limited action played in six games last year,
Speaker 1: thirteen point seven yards per attempt, but a sub fifty
Speaker 1: percent completion percentage. I think that's what you should probably
Speaker 1: expect at this point, not cracking fifty. Crack fifty will
Speaker 1: probably hover around fifty. But he brings a lot to
Speaker 1: the equation with his legs. Ran for almost ten yards
Speaker 1: per carry and four touchdowns. So what I like about
Speaker 1: this scenario again, if I'm going to home in specifically
Speaker 1: on the quarterback position now with Joe Moorehead and Keton Thompson,
Speaker 1: he brings a lot more to the equation. I think
Speaker 1: as a child, ran the ball playway as a passer
Speaker 1: than Nick Fitzgerald, while at the same time bringing I
Speaker 1: think the same amount of effectiveness in the running game
Speaker 1: as well. I am very optimistic, very optimistic that he
Speaker 1: will be a playmaker. Oh my god, what Joe Morehead
Speaker 1: can do with this kind of player. We saw it
Speaker 1: a little bit with Trace McSorley at Penn State. Before
Speaker 1: he left Penn State, Joe.
Speaker 3: Made accuracy issues for sure going into the Morehead era.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think Trace was a little bit
Speaker 1: of a better passer at least through the early days
Speaker 1: here of Keton Thompson. But we've seen what Morehead can
Speaker 1: do when he's got a guy, a dual threat guy
Speaker 1: with this skill set, and I was a little bit
Speaker 1: surprised it didn't happen sooner with Nick Fitzgerald. But I
Speaker 1: think just in the brief moments that we've seen of
Speaker 1: Keton Thompson thus far in Starkville, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: reason to be truly optimistic about what he can do
Speaker 1: now in that system led by Joe Morehead.
Speaker 3: So you don't think that he will be able to
Speaker 3: complete enough gimmeis that we believe and I know they
Speaker 3: have a new offensive coordinator. I believe that Joe Morehead
Speaker 3: will be able to give him some gimmes and RPOs
Speaker 3: and screens that he should be able to get his
Speaker 3: completion percentage to fifty plus. You are not a believer,
Speaker 3: And even that even getting enough guppies to get to fifteen, well.
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be a round fifty.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's forty nine point eight or
Speaker 1: fifty one point two, but it's around fifty. I think
Speaker 1: that's a reasonable expectation. I think that's the kind of
Speaker 1: quarterback Keiton Thompson is. But I think the fact that
Speaker 1: he is so dynamic with his legs, the fact that
Speaker 1: he's got a coach in Joe Moorehead who knows how
Speaker 1: to use that skill set, he will he will find
Speaker 1: a way to emphasize Keitan Thompson's best qualities and use
Speaker 1: them effectively.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The problem though, is the report out of spring
Speaker 3: or reports out of spring, is that exactly what you said.
Speaker 3: He's impressive, He's a playmaker, he knows the offense, but
Speaker 3: accuracy making pre snap reads not necessarily a strength. Huge
Speaker 3: arm strength, huge arm in general. And if we are
Speaker 3: to believe that he will be an improvement over Nick Fitzgerald,
Speaker 3: it's not that he is suddenly Cam Newton, Marcus Mariota,
Speaker 3: Johnny Manziel and just a total game changer in every respect.
Speaker 3: It's that when they are running the ball well and
Speaker 3: somebody gets wide open deep on play action, he won't
Speaker 3: overshoot them by eight yards. That is that's the baseline, right, Yeah. Sure,
Speaker 3: And in a division with LSU and Alabama certainly improving
Speaker 3: Texas A and M defense, Auburn's defense has been consistently
Speaker 3: very good for the most part. That that's what because
Speaker 3: all those teams are just going to key in on
Speaker 3: the run and that's to get to fifty to fifty five,
Speaker 3: fifty eight percent, which is by no means crazy impressive.
Speaker 3: It's going to be the guppies and it's going to
Speaker 3: be the wide open deep ball. If you are not
Speaker 3: going to be hitting in between sorts of passes, is
Speaker 3: are you The question is are you able to at
Speaker 3: least connect on a deep guppy rather than an every
Speaker 3: down guppy. And I think the answer is yes.
Speaker 1: For me, this is a full on guppy assault here.
Speaker 3: I know on the show, I do like guppy as
Speaker 3: a word clearly, So I'm going to say yes. It's
Speaker 3: a thing that Mississippi State's passing offense becomes competent, not
Speaker 3: overwhelmingly impressive, but competent from where it has been, where
Speaker 3: Nick Fitzgerald has been the least, if not second or third,
Speaker 3: least efficient quarterbacks in the conference.
Speaker 2: Okay, where are we going next here?
Speaker 3: I think Keyton Thompson surges to blow Afroge surges.
Speaker 1: I'm optimistic about Keton Thompson. I think this is the
Speaker 1: kind of quarterback. Yeah, who can do really well with
Speaker 1: Joe moorehead.
Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough, let's go across the country. Washington State
Speaker 3: another state. Yeah, they are now going to become with
Speaker 3: their second straight season of relying on a grad transfer
Speaker 3: quarterback to start. I've been there, Washington State, I've been there.
Speaker 3: It's it's a rough sledding situation in the second year,
Speaker 3: or at least it can be in the Pac twelve North?
Speaker 3: Are they a plug and play well offensive school with
Speaker 3: His name appears to be Gage Gubrud Gauge.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 3: Look it up.
Speaker 1: This was truly a Globe Tomato type situation for me.
Speaker 3: I say we go Gaja just to hon Glo roots.
Speaker 1: Because everybody this pronounces I'm assuming the last name and
Speaker 1: not the first, right.
Speaker 3: So Gayja Gubrud, who was also pretty menacing in the
Speaker 3: Star Wars CANTEENA if I remember correctly, Gaja Gubrud, stay
Speaker 3: away from me. Gaja Gubrud. He is a sixth year.
Speaker 3: He received a medical red shirt waiver. He comes over
Speaker 3: from Eastern Washington, same school Vernon Adams dominated at and
Speaker 3: then went to Oreon and played very well at. He
Speaker 3: arrives in Pullman having thrown for like ten thousand yards
Speaker 3: for the Eastern Washington Eagles over there on the red field.
Speaker 3: Will he be able to step in for Gardner Minshew
Speaker 3: from a Gaje from a Minshew to a gaja and
Speaker 3: almost act like nothing has really changed dramatically for Washington
Speaker 3: State that he is going to be. I don't think
Speaker 3: you can expect him to have the personality Gardner Minshew
Speaker 3: and that sort of leadership potion and maybe that was
Speaker 3: the difference in a couple of games for the Kougs,
Speaker 3: but that once again they'll be able to use a
Speaker 3: grad transfer quarterback and threaten the PAC twelve North Lade.
Speaker 3: I don't know that he's good enough to win the
Speaker 3: Apple Cup. I don't know if anybody's good enough to
Speaker 3: win the Apple Cup at Washington State with how sort
Speaker 3: of cursed and stomped Wazoo has been in that matchup
Speaker 3: since Mike Leach got there. But does the winning trend
Speaker 3: continue with Gaja Gubrud Man.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's so tough ask, It's so difficult to try and
Speaker 1: project this forward. I know, because you know how it
Speaker 1: is with grad transfers.
Speaker 3: Is the optimism warranted? Is it a thing?
Speaker 1: The optimism is warranted? I think because we've now got
Speaker 1: some empirical evidence what Mike Leach can do with a
Speaker 1: grad transfer, right, We've got some empirical evidence on that
Speaker 1: side that would back up that claim. So from that standpoint, yes,
Speaker 1: there is there is plenty of reason for optimism. But look,
Speaker 1: it's a different player. Gardner Minshew came onto the scene.
Speaker 1: He had a history behind him where he had been
Speaker 1: successful elsewhere, and he.
Speaker 3: Had at least he had been recruited to the air
Speaker 3: raid by Lincoln Riley at ECU, So a lot of
Speaker 3: terminology and comfort was there.
Speaker 1: A little bit of a bigger guy found the same
Speaker 1: height but had more mass to him than Gajay Goobrud,
Speaker 1: Daje Gubrud. But he's a different player altogether. Goobrud is
Speaker 1: he had his best season a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. There was a medical red shirt mixed
Speaker 1: in there. Certainly if you go on his twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: numbers fifty one hundred yards forty eight passing touchdowns at
Speaker 1: Eastern Washington, a noted program at the FCS level, there's
Speaker 1: plenty of cause for optimism there. But I'm just not
Speaker 1: ready to go there yet. I'm not ready to go there.
Speaker 1: I understand the cause for optimism, but I don't think
Speaker 1: I personally am ready to be optimistic just because it's
Speaker 1: a different player. You never know which grad transfers are
Speaker 1: going to hit and which aren't. There's a very real
Speaker 1: chance we could be talking about the quarterback situation at
Speaker 1: Washington State in week five and it's a totally different name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this show is not meant to be necessarily a preview,
Speaker 3: a season preview of these teams, and I think it's
Speaker 3: important to recognize that. But in terms of him specifically,
Speaker 3: the hit rate on grad transfer quarterbacks, no matter the
Speaker 3: success they have at any level, and even though Vernon
Speaker 3: Adams did dominate, there was more evidence with him specifically
Speaker 3: because of how he performed against PAC twelve schools that
Speaker 3: I don't think we necessarily have with Gaja Gubrud. God,
Speaker 3: that's fun to say, Oh God, that's if we get
Speaker 3: nothing else out of this show. It's that GUYJA like
Speaker 3: he can't use the force.
Speaker 2: But he can. He's for sensitive, he can feel it.
Speaker 3: I like that, thank you. So I'm gonna say no,
Speaker 3: I'm going to say that it is not a thing
Speaker 3: that Washington State will be plug in play, even though
Speaker 3: I think they'll have success. They're down what they're all
Speaker 3: American caliber left tackle, all conference caliber left tackle and
Speaker 3: Andre Dillard who will be in the draft coming up.
Speaker 3: And I just think the hit rate is so low.
Speaker 3: And you know this based on what Notre Dame quarterbacks
Speaker 3: have done elsewhere, sometimes in a grad transfer capacity that
Speaker 3: to come in and not just play at a competent level,
Speaker 3: plugging and playing means being a round gardner Minshew level
Speaker 3: who is fringe heisman. I think that's too much to ask.
Speaker 3: And I do not think come Thanksgiving, the Apple Cup
Speaker 3: will have Pack twelve North implications going both directions. So
Speaker 3: mathematically I'm saying not a thing for plug and play.
Speaker 3: Washington State still should be pretty good.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 1: What I like about this conversation is that it highlights
Speaker 1: both ways you could play the old gambler's fallacy.
Speaker 2: It really truly does.
Speaker 1: So you know Mike Leach has had some recent success
Speaker 1: with grad transfers. If you're like me, maybe you look
Speaker 1: at the glass a little bit more half empty. Sure
Speaker 1: that's not bound to continue because we look at grad
Speaker 1: transfers elsewhere.
Speaker 3: Hope it does. I hope it does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not rooting against it, but the hit rate
Speaker 1: has not always been as high as you might expect.
Speaker 1: You could also play it, you know, a different way
Speaker 1: as well, so we'll see. I love the name though
Speaker 1: it is technically gauge goob rud, but if we are
Speaker 1: in agreement here, we could just go Gaje until further.
Speaker 3: Don't rain on the Gaja parade? What's wrong with you?
Speaker 2: Where are we going next?
Speaker 3: All right, let's go to Let's go back to the
Speaker 3: East coast and talk Florida State.
Speaker 2: Oh god, do we do we? You know?
Speaker 1: I got a funny tweet that was in my mentions
Speaker 1: earlier today, someone who had just listened to our previous
Speaker 1: podcast where I made the offhand joke about the Florida
Speaker 1: State black hole picture.
Speaker 3: Are you actually gonna do it? Are you going to
Speaker 3: get a print out? Oh?
Speaker 2: I'm not actually gonna do that. Wife kill me if
Speaker 2: I tried that.
Speaker 3: But usually made something spacey with your room though I
Speaker 3: should shouldn't I? Yeah, maybe a Neil Degrass Tyson fat head.
Speaker 3: Hmmm is that not doing it for you?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Not really?
Speaker 3: Okay, Stephen Hawking, Carl, Carl Sagan, nobody.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know. We'll talk about this on a leadership.
Speaker 3: But Matthew McConaughey's crying face and Interstellar, that could work.
Speaker 3: Did you like Interstellar?
Speaker 1: I did up until he went behind the bookshelves. That's
Speaker 1: a rough bookshelf, rough ending.
Speaker 3: Apparently there was a different ending that made that wasn't
Speaker 3: as on the nose emotional, and it was just sort
Speaker 3: of him floating through space.
Speaker 2: That's where it That's where it's sort of.
Speaker 3: I think that was the Nolan brother. Yeah, who was
Speaker 3: responsible for the actual ending? Like theoretically that scene was possible,
Speaker 3: but it's rough ending. But to get from where it
Speaker 3: started to where ended was a bit of a mental leap.
Speaker 3: Sprinting LCD robot through water. Yeah, on board, fully there,
Speaker 3: but God, behind the.
Speaker 1: No the bookshelves. Yeah, we're just we're going into odd
Speaker 1: tiars Florida State, Florida State black hole. Yes, the tweet,
Speaker 1: I got the tweet I got from a Florida State
Speaker 1: fan was listen, listen. If you're going to do the
Speaker 1: Florida State black hole thing, can you at least put
Speaker 1: a picture of Alex Hornybrook photoshop in the center of it.
Speaker 1: And I think that's fair. I think we could put
Speaker 1: Hornybrook on the event horizon of that black hole.
Speaker 3: Nothing escapes the Alex Hornybrook overthrow.
Speaker 1: Because if Alex Hornybrook gets sucked into the black hole,
Speaker 1: there's a chance he enters a parallel universe where he's
Speaker 1: throwing and putting up Gaja Goobrud numbers fifty one hundred
Speaker 1: yards and forty eight touchdowns a year.
Speaker 3: I'm planting my flag right now and rooting for Alex
Speaker 3: Hornybrook at Florida State because it just seems like such
Speaker 3: a backward, strange fit that I'm all for it.
Speaker 1: The question is, explain to me how you feel about
Speaker 1: Florida State's offense where your source of optimum optimism is
Speaker 1: excuse me, outside of Alex Hornybrook, why why should we
Speaker 1: be excited?
Speaker 2: Why are people excited?
Speaker 3: So the best of Willie Taggart's quote, I think he
Speaker 3: calls it the Gulf Coast offense, which we tried running
Speaker 3: last year with all sorts of injuries and issues everywhere.
Speaker 3: Essentially I was I was in Walt Bell was the
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator. Now he takes over at UMass, So Kendall
Speaker 3: Briles enters stage left, and he's had a ton of
Speaker 3: success in terms of the offenses he's helped to run
Speaker 3: both at Baylor and Houston, and you know, quarterbacks have
Speaker 3: had a pretty easy job finding open men and putting
Speaker 3: up yards and touchdown totals whatever. Alex Harnybrook comes from
Speaker 3: that more under center power system, and I think that
Speaker 3: they will have some success. But I am I am
Speaker 3: hard pressed to even think, like even if you look
Speaker 3: at somebody like Bryce Petty, who seemed like, oh he
Speaker 3: should be a decent enough pro and he's been nothing
Speaker 3: that they were able to plug and play Baylor quarterback
Speaker 3: after Baylor quarterback run the ball really well and still
Speaker 3: big games, and you know, teach and develop quarterback success
Speaker 3: pretty consistently. We saw last year in Houston with the
Speaker 3: Eric King until he got hurt. So he's had success
Speaker 3: with not super mobile and mobile quarterbacks. I have to
Speaker 3: imagine the Florida State offense with offensive line help with
Speaker 3: the talent they have in the backfield, with a pretty
Speaker 3: stellar recruiting class from a couple of years ago at
Speaker 3: Receiver that Alex Hornybrook and Kendall Briles and their marriage
Speaker 3: will ultimately be not necessarily making out at every restaurant
Speaker 3: like a married couple that is super duper into each other. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but serviceable workmanlike marriage, I think so I'm gonna say yes.
Speaker 3: Competence is a thing in Tallahassee.
Speaker 2: A serviceable workman like marriage.
Speaker 3: A serviceable So here's here's what a serviceable workman like
Speaker 3: marriage means to me.
Speaker 1: They're all that's like business partners who decide to get
Speaker 1: married just to make taxes easier.
Speaker 3: They they come to an agreement more often than not.
Speaker 3: When watching Netflix, right, they have their shows, they're like,
Speaker 3: you know, a workman like maybe we'll just the rest
Speaker 3: of the show is trying to define what a workman likes.
Speaker 3: They're open with their finances. Oh god, they alternate selecting
Speaker 3: restaurants to go out to. They you know, agree to
Speaker 3: start saving for their kids college pretty early on. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying the passion is there. I'm not saying they're
Speaker 3: they're sneaking into an alley for a quickie after dinner.
Speaker 3: But there's enough crossover and appreciation for each other's abilities
Speaker 3: that they're able to move forward with success.
Speaker 2: I think it's business partners who decide to get married.
Speaker 3: Okay, so this is a green card marriage. No, not
Speaker 3: a green card.
Speaker 2: I don't mean that.
Speaker 1: I'm just talking like two people in business together and
Speaker 1: they decide. You know, taxes are complicated, we spend we
Speaker 1: spend time around each other.
Speaker 2: All the time, every day, all day. Yeah, why why
Speaker 2: don't we just make this thing official and just move on?
Speaker 3: So people, let's rub up against each other with regularity,
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I do agree this a serviceable, workmanlike marriage or do
Speaker 3: you think it is? It's there's it seems like lustful,
Speaker 3: but then it's gonna flame out pretty quick.
Speaker 1: Well, I so I come at this from I guess
Speaker 1: just a pure logical perspective.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you want to call it.
Speaker 1: But Florida State was really bad again along their offensive line,
Speaker 1: and this has been a problem the last couple of years.
Speaker 3: Of injuries, transfers, yeah, the nuts, anything that could go wrong,
Speaker 3: did I don't.
Speaker 1: We're not We're not teaming up on Florida State here.
Speaker 1: If you're a Florida State fan, these are things you
Speaker 1: already know. Like it's been tough to watch the offensive
Speaker 1: line over the last couple of seasons. So I don't
Speaker 1: think it's gonna get a whole lot worse than that.
Speaker 1: My expectation is that it's only going to get better.
Speaker 1: And I know Willie Tagger had a rough go of
Speaker 1: it in season one and that there was some upheaval
Speaker 1: on the staff and whatnot. But I think he's a
Speaker 1: good coach. I think he's where he wants to be.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get things going in a good direction. Maybe
Speaker 1: Jimbo Fisher is the one who looks smarter leaving when
Speaker 1: he did well.
Speaker 3: He also just that was a personality clash that was
Speaker 3: an institutional It was a game of Chick West kind
Speaker 3: of thing.
Speaker 1: It was a game of chicken and you could argue
Speaker 1: whether or not he really wanted to go to A
Speaker 1: and M, but that's a topic for another day.
Speaker 3: It's old news about this point, though.
Speaker 1: He looks smarter maybe than he was for leaving what
Speaker 1: he did, Given the struggles that we saw from Florida
Speaker 1: State last season.
Speaker 2: I think that's fair to say.
Speaker 1: I don't know about a huge step forward, but I
Speaker 1: think a step forward, a sizeable step forward with that
Speaker 1: offensive line, with their new offensive coordinator in Kendall Briles,
Speaker 1: I think that is certainly a very real source of
Speaker 1: optimism and a good expectation. I think Alex Hornybrook, for
Speaker 1: as much as I have teamed up on him because
Speaker 1: of the pop gun arm and all that, he is
Speaker 1: a real upgrade over James Blackman.
Speaker 2: I've watched James Blackman.
Speaker 1: I would take Alex Hornybrook eight days a week and
Speaker 1: twice on Sundays, five times on Sundays over James Blackman.
Speaker 1: I think he will at least give them some level
Speaker 1: of experience that they desperately need need at the quarterback
Speaker 1: position to help steady that ship. There's talent around the
Speaker 1: Florida State offense otherwise, they really just do need to
Speaker 1: get some experience at quarterback. They need to get a
Speaker 1: better system in place that everyone can get behind and
Speaker 1: row in the same direction, and they need to get
Speaker 1: a little bit more consistent offensive line place. So this
Speaker 1: is all a long way of saying that while I
Speaker 1: might not be as optimistic, I am still pretty optimistic.
Speaker 1: That they're going to get things going in a good
Speaker 1: direction in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3: Which quarterback tie? Because god, I just I need to
Speaker 3: keep digressing to this which quarterback. Let's say in the
Speaker 3: last ten years, would you be neither insulted nor flattered
Speaker 3: if somebody compared your marriage to himies? So okay, I'm
Speaker 3: looking at the twenty ten quarterback stats. Obviously, Bryant Moni's
Speaker 3: to you would probably be an insult. Yes, after what
Speaker 3: you've talked about with this pop gun.
Speaker 1: Arm right, there's no spark there. It's just that's that's all.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I think Aaron Murray a compliment. Sure, I'll
Speaker 1: take Aaron Murray.
Speaker 3: Aaron Murray would be a Scott Tolzine. I think that's
Speaker 3: I think that's the magic name.
Speaker 1: MM efficient Efficient? Do you want your marriage, though, to
Speaker 1: be called efficient.
Speaker 3: The Scott tot Well, I'm saying neither flattered nor insulted.
Speaker 2: I think I'd be more insulted with Scott Tolzy.
Speaker 3: You'd be insulted with your marriage being called the Scott
Speaker 3: Tolzane of marriages.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think i'd be super there's no excitement there.
Speaker 3: Geno Smith probably flattered given what he did in college,
Speaker 3: I would take.
Speaker 1: Well, it didn't end well, but you know, I mean
Speaker 1: fifty percent is what we're looking at nowadays. Marriage Greg McElroy,
Speaker 1: Greg McElroy, Really he's like the cut line.
Speaker 3: Ricky Stansey, love it or leave it? Would that be
Speaker 3: an I don't think that would be an insult. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't personally love it. But so if I.
Speaker 1: Came up to you and I said, Dan and Jody
Speaker 1: with an eye your marriage, okay, it really reminds me
Speaker 1: of Scott Tolzine or Ricky Stansy, you would look at
Speaker 1: me and you kick me out of your apartment.
Speaker 3: I'm saying about who is the most neutral. I'm not
Speaker 3: saying who's the most flattering or insulting? Kauffman, Ricky Stansy,
Speaker 3: ain't it dog? Ryan nasib Oh? How about this? Okay?
Speaker 3: You ready? Would you be taken aback? Would you kick
Speaker 3: somebody or out of your house if they said I'm
Speaker 3: not saying your marriage is great. I'm not saying your
Speaker 3: marriage is bad. Your marriage is the Tino Sounsei of marriages.
Speaker 3: Craig McElroy is probably the best dancer. Greg McElroy is
Speaker 3: the most New I mean he is the most neutral.
Speaker 1: Because he he might have been a game manager, but
Speaker 1: he was a championship winning quarterback and he was very solid.
Speaker 2: He didn't be he never let you down.
Speaker 1: T J.
Speaker 3: Yates, I think would be a flattering comparison. Were talking
Speaker 3: about college TJ. Yates, not pro Sean Renfrey, No, GJ.
Speaker 3: Kenney Tulsa. No, really, what about Brandon Whedon would be
Speaker 3: a super duper compliment College Brandon Whedon. I would take marriages.
Speaker 3: I would take Brandon Whedon. Yeah, that would be Sunseri
Speaker 3: is your line, right, mclroy, is where you stand, Tino.
Speaker 3: Sunseri is a a bridge too far. It's a bridge
Speaker 3: too far, like he's not making the cut. Scott tolzene
Speaker 3: Is is right around that cut line. Greg McElroy, though
Speaker 3: he's probably perfectly neutral. J. Cory Harris, No, that's an
Speaker 3: insult to you. Yes, Austin Carter, Samuel's no Wyoming that year.
Speaker 2: This is a very weird game we're playing here.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, was this.
Speaker 2: The hypothetical you told me about.
Speaker 3: No, this isn't even the hypothismce that I wanted to ask
Speaker 3: you about. All right, Oh man, if somebody if somebody said,
Speaker 3: you know what your marriage now that I've spent time
Speaker 3: around it, between you and Jody with an eye is.
Speaker 3: For whatever reason, it just reminds me of Richard Brijo. Sir,
Speaker 3: you leave my house and you forget my address.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's cut.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you? All right, Chas DoD No, okay, before
Speaker 3: we move on, we need to reset here and find
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Speaker 2: Where are we going next?
Speaker 3: Danny O'Brien freshman year only before he transferred, showed promise.
Speaker 3: I say yes. I say yes in that I would
Speaker 3: be flattered by the upside, but thinking our marriage could
Speaker 3: be better.
Speaker 2: Dan, you and Jody with and I are the Dane christ.
Speaker 3: That's not nice. That means we're constantly wounded.
Speaker 1: You're wounded, but you had so much promise. There was
Speaker 1: a there's a leadership quality there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So maybe the stats aren't on the board, but you
Speaker 1: still had the respect of your peers.
Speaker 3: Can we also agree to shorten, as clunky as it
Speaker 3: might seem, any former Notre Dame quarterbacks first name, now
Speaker 3: that Tommy Reese is now Tom Reese.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm fine with this.
Speaker 3: So it would be Rhet Golson. Yeah, it would be
Speaker 3: day Chris. I don't know how to what do we
Speaker 3: do for Ian book. Well, he's not former yet, he's
Speaker 3: not former form. Yeah, so it would be Leake Zaire.
Speaker 3: It would be Jim Clawson, which might be the best
Speaker 3: Showan Kaiser maybe Sean Kayser, Yeah, just Sean, that's an
Speaker 3: actual name. And I don't know who else comes up
Speaker 3: to mind?
Speaker 1: Will we go jar or Rheus Jackson.
Speaker 3: Jer Jared Jackson, j Jared Jackson, and I guess the
Speaker 3: last god? Who are other recent Notre Dame quarterbacks? Now
Speaker 3: that Tom Reese is spoken, Tom Tom Race, I see
Speaker 3: a tweet with Tom Rae. Is he the quarterback coach
Speaker 3: in Notre Dame? Now, yes, I see that name. You're like,
Speaker 3: come on, come on you, Tommy. You Tomy like a
Speaker 3: disgusting South Boston weirdo. All right, next school before we
Speaker 3: just keep digressing into just even further nonsense than usual.
Speaker 3: Where do you want to go?
Speaker 2: Car Holiday.
Speaker 3: At cart No, it's Lyle Holiday, right, No, it was
Speaker 3: Carlyle Holiday. I know, but Lyle is the natural. We
Speaker 3: could dole Lyle Holiday. NAS battle is the best one.
Speaker 3: NAS battle back into tho. All right, we really got it.
Speaker 3: We've really got to move on here. Okay, let's go.
Speaker 3: Let's go with something that I think is going to
Speaker 3: be uplifting because this is a spring positivity podcast. Kansas
Speaker 3: State and they're just aggressively average defense from twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3: At the end of the Bill Snyder era is reinvigorated
Speaker 3: in the Chris Climbing era, and the Scottie Hazelton era,
Speaker 3: the successful defensive coordinator from Wyoming and Kansas State, is
Speaker 3: that that alternate to the big twelves offensive firepower that
Speaker 3: they are, they're the change up in that all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, teams scoring forty seven are scoring nineteen. You're
Speaker 3: precious nineteen that Kansas State in year one with what
Speaker 3: their return, especially upfront, and with Scottie Hazelton's background with linebackers,
Speaker 3: Chris Climan's defensive background with defensive backs, that even though
Speaker 3: they're replacing a lot in the defensive backfield, given where
Speaker 3: the let's say pack twelve, given where the big twelve
Speaker 3: is offensively, Kansas State is the efis the ethis.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: Thanks, So here's what I'd like you to do. I'm
Speaker 1: very optimistic about Scotty Hazelton. I'm very optimistic about Chris Climan.
Speaker 1: Great an outstanding higher. Of course, there was some familiarity
Speaker 1: with the k State ad and climbing from their time
Speaker 1: at North dakost State.
Speaker 2: I think it's a year one.
Speaker 3: Though it's year one, it's year one a lot to ask.
Speaker 1: I think longer term though, that is an outstanding higher
Speaker 1: and among all the new hires that we've seen some
Speaker 1: really good hires. I think this coaching offseason, I think
Speaker 1: I'm most excited about this one, if only because we
Speaker 1: saw that infrastructure. We saw that apparatus up close though
Speaker 1: when we went up to Fargo. It does take a while,
Speaker 1: but it's a long time they built the thing up there,
Speaker 1: and that was exciting to see up close to. Personally,
Speaker 1: I want you to go out to the official k
Speaker 1: State Athletics website if you could just run a quick
Speaker 1: Google image search on Scottie Hazelton.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I've already done this. If that's not reason
Speaker 3: for optimism.
Speaker 2: This beard is a national treasure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty wonderful.
Speaker 1: Not only is it full and a little salt and pepper,
Speaker 1: but he has somehow achieved a perfect straight line at
Speaker 1: the bottom.
Speaker 2: Of the beard.
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how you do this, right. It's
Speaker 1: like he dipped the bottom of his beard into a
Speaker 1: wood chipper, you know, perfectly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3: From the start, it's like if Trey Kirby had from
Speaker 3: the starters on an NBA TV, if he had like
Speaker 3: a grizzled giant uncle. Yeah, right, that's what Scottie Hazelton
Speaker 3: looks like I'm very optimistic about case stage chances. The
Speaker 3: defense does need to get better, yeah, and it had
Speaker 3: been in a good place, but last year they certainly
Speaker 3: took a step back with some of their offensive troubles
Speaker 3: as well, leaving that defense on the field for a while.
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be a thing. I don't
Speaker 3: know if Kansas State is an eight win team, but
Speaker 3: I don't think it'll because of their defense. I think
Speaker 3: they could have a pretty good half team at the
Speaker 3: very least with I think the transition is going to
Speaker 3: be more apparent and hit more speed bumps on offense
Speaker 3: than it will on defense. Even so, you have Oklahoma
Speaker 3: new quarterback, Oklahoma State new quarterback, and new offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3: Iowa State brings back Brock Party party like a Brock Star.
Speaker 3: Kansas should be a mess this year at least and
Speaker 3: probably the next couple of years. Texas it looks to
Speaker 3: be in pretty good shape. Lose a couple of playmakers
Speaker 3: on offense. TCU has had a whole bunch of quarterback upheaval,
Speaker 3: and even if their offense is okay, that's an improvement
Speaker 3: over where it's been. So I don't think you can
Speaker 3: expect a ton from the horn Frogs this year. West
Speaker 3: Virginia is going through their own transition and new quarterback.
Speaker 3: So Kansas State's defense, I think could be a pretty
Speaker 3: nice efis what.
Speaker 1: I like about a team that could have an ephis
Speaker 1: defense in try say the defense I try to saying
Speaker 1: that twenty times fast in the Big twelve. Is having
Speaker 1: a defense in the Big twelve puts you at a
Speaker 1: bit of an advantage. It puts you at a bit
Speaker 1: of an advantage. And we're not saying here that they're
Speaker 1: going to come out and be gangbusters right away on defense.
Speaker 1: But if they can get some consistency on that side
Speaker 1: of the ball, that gives them a really good chance
Speaker 1: to make some noise into Big twelve to at least
Speaker 1: be that efis that defense.
Speaker 3: And it's a new defense. So there's not a ton
Speaker 3: of film of these players playing into this scheme which
Speaker 3: is either good or bad. It could be really great.
Speaker 1: I'm very optimistic, as I think you are as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so we were.
Speaker 2: Let's move on. Let's do one or two more schools.
Speaker 3: I think this is just our final, our final item.
Speaker 3: You added a couple do yours.
Speaker 2: Go ahead.
Speaker 3: You talk about State later, and we've done Penn State
Speaker 3: too much. I'll give you a brief window for Penn State.
Speaker 3: And we've talked about Florida, but I wanted to make
Speaker 3: it all states. So Michigan State's offense, okay, dashes just
Speaker 3: is a lightning bolt of average. We would be an
Speaker 3: enormous improvement with whoever is running things, whoever ends up
Speaker 3: as the quarterback. I guess if it's Brian Laworki once again.
Speaker 3: And they should be healthier with Jalen Naylor outside. But
Speaker 3: they stride, they sprint, they they lunge towards an average offense.
Speaker 1: Okay, Brian Laworki and Michigan State as a whole had
Speaker 1: issues with injuries. Yeah, they did huge injury problems last year.
Speaker 1: I think even in twenty seventeen, Lowerki was talking about
Speaker 1: how he played through injury, played through pain. Presumably he's
Speaker 1: healthy now, presumably I would.
Speaker 3: Assume, yeah, on his road to it, Yeah.
Speaker 1: That would be nice. I think Brian Lilwurki is still
Speaker 1: a pretty good quarterback. And when he had a chance
Speaker 1: to play and when he was healthy and when he
Speaker 1: had a little bit more structure around him, a little
Speaker 1: bit more stability around him.
Speaker 2: He was pretty good.
Speaker 1: We were pretty optimistic about little work he headed into
Speaker 1: this season. Last season, I should say, and you know
Speaker 1: that did not work out for a multitude of reasons.
Speaker 1: There were also times earlier in the year when the
Speaker 1: worky it looked like he wanted to stretch the field,
Speaker 1: and he had some success with that. If they can
Speaker 1: get back to a healthy Brian LITLWORKI and maybe stretching
Speaker 1: the field a little bit more, I think there's plenty
Speaker 1: of optimism that they could at least surge back to average.
Speaker 2: As you've got here on our doc.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's an un reasonable expectation, and I
Speaker 1: think it should be. I think it should be the
Speaker 1: expectation now as we move forward. Like if you're a
Speaker 1: Michigan State fan and you get more of what you
Speaker 1: saw last year, injury or no injuries, there's going to
Speaker 1: be upheaval. People are gonna be very upset just with
Speaker 1: the team as a whole, the direction of the program.
Speaker 1: I would imagine hot seat conversations if you can't get
Speaker 1: more of a consistent look on offense. So that needs
Speaker 1: to be I think your baseline for twenty nineteen. Just
Speaker 1: getting back to a point where you feel like there's
Speaker 1: an average product offensively.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we're not all that far removed from
Speaker 3: was it twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen a Kirk Cousins season
Speaker 3: in which they were excuse me, not Kirk Cousins of
Speaker 3: Connor cook season, coonor Cooks. They were, Yeah, they were not.
Speaker 3: They were full on really good. They were probably one
Speaker 3: of the five to seven best offenses in the country
Speaker 3: in terms of what they did per drive, not necessarily
Speaker 3: the points they put up in the game, but they
Speaker 3: were incredibly efficient.
Speaker 1: And look to your point, you don't need to be
Speaker 1: Oklahoma under Lincoln Riley to have a good offense to
Speaker 1: have a productive offense, not in a Big twelve, not
Speaker 1: in the Big Ten, not anywhere in college football. You
Speaker 1: just need to be more consistent. You need to present
Speaker 1: some variety for opponents. Michigan State didn't do that, and
Speaker 1: there were again a multitude of reasons why. But they
Speaker 1: need to be able to do that again in order
Speaker 1: to get back to that at least average level of
Speaker 1: offensive output.
Speaker 3: And that new offensive mind from Michigan State who's going
Speaker 3: to come in and take them to average is oh wait, no,
Speaker 3: they just changed the positions of all of their coaches.
Speaker 3: I'm not buying them. I think I don't think they
Speaker 3: search to average. No, I think it's I think the
Speaker 3: Big Ten is improving too much, especially on defense, or
Speaker 3: at least staying at a high enough level where you
Speaker 3: got to show me something. You got to show me
Speaker 3: a new hire, you got to show me a tweaked system.
Speaker 3: You have to show me a red shirting quarterback with
Speaker 3: all the promise in the world, or the quarterback was
Speaker 3: injured last year, or there's this huge infusion of offensive skill,
Speaker 3: a transfer, a graduate like they're you know, the whole
Speaker 3: offensive line was hurt like whatever it was. And I
Speaker 3: know they had injury issues last year and they're going
Speaker 3: to be at least presumably healthier to start the year.
Speaker 3: But I do not see a big enough catalyst to
Speaker 3: get them to average. I think that's too big a
Speaker 3: leap with how incompetent they look last year even with injuries. Wow, yeah,
Speaker 3: so you're doing state. I watched the entirety of that
Speaker 3: whatever the bowl they were in against organ is called.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's the Foster Farms Red Box Bowl. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I am I hitting that correctly. Sure, And I know
Speaker 3: how good Organ's twenty eighteen offense or excuse me, their
Speaker 3: defense was, which is below average, and they were not
Speaker 3: able to do much. So I'm just even with bowl
Speaker 3: results not meaning a ton to me. That's the most
Speaker 3: recent thing I've seen, and the taste is going to
Speaker 3: be harder to wash out than I was really willing
Speaker 3: to admit.
Speaker 1: So, yep, you have a thing that I'll add here quickly,
Speaker 1: and you kind of touched on it. But they need
Speaker 1: to get better, not just a quarterback, but the running
Speaker 1: game has been an issue. The line play is an
Speaker 1: issue last year, a real big issue. I think they
Speaker 1: bring back pretty much everybody from their starting offensive line,
Speaker 1: everyone who played in the bowl game at least.
Speaker 3: And I've been told that before, ty, I've been hurt before.
Speaker 1: And my point is that might not even be a
Speaker 1: good thing give given the state of affairs last year.
Speaker 2: So it really is.
Speaker 3: It almost like if you were to say, like the
Speaker 3: offense is going to get better because they're losing eight starters,
Speaker 3: like you know what, I'll roll some dice on that fact.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's not always the case. More often than not,
Speaker 1: it's a case that you bring a lot back the offense.
Speaker 1: The personnel improves, but not always, and I'm not sure
Speaker 1: that's the case here, at least along the offensive line
Speaker 1: from Michigan State. So I am optimistic, probably more optimistic
Speaker 1: than you, but we're not talking the same level of
Speaker 1: optimism that I feel for Say, I don't know Florida State.
Speaker 3: Or Keys on Top as a playmate in the right situation.
Speaker 3: There's no track record with this staff right now, recent
Speaker 3: track record with this staff like you have in the
Speaker 3: back of your head with Joe Morehead in Mississippi State.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, thank you Jeff Tool.
Speaker 3: If I said no because his name is Jeff Toole,
Speaker 3: well it's tue L.
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter, it's still Tool.
Speaker 3: If I said, your marriage is successful enough, but it's
Speaker 3: sort of a system marriage. Your marriage is sort of
Speaker 3: a product of you both coming from good families, you
Speaker 3: both having decent jobs, you both having like you're both
Speaker 3: sensible people. If I said you had a Jeff Tool marriage,
Speaker 3: you would not be you would not take huge umbradge.
Speaker 2: It's a Jeff Tool marriage, Yes I would.
Speaker 3: Early Jeff Tool had a lot of promise, come talk.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can sell and say I really
Speaker 1: admire your Jeff tool marriage.
Speaker 3: Out. She would not find that a compliment. Almost sixty percent.
Speaker 3: I know completion percentage numbers are not necessarily accurate within
Speaker 3: an araid, but sixty percent essentially completion percentage, eighteen touchdowns
Speaker 3: to twelve interceptions, one hundred and thirty three quarterback rating,
Speaker 3: which was good for fifty first in the country, or
Speaker 3: more broadly speaking, above average.
Speaker 2: No, it's Jeff. No, it's Jeff freaking tool.
Speaker 3: No, Stephen three.
Speaker 2: How many games did Stephen Threet play?
Speaker 3: Zach Koleros No? Twenty six to fourteen? Where are you
Speaker 3: finding this list of quarterbacks CFB stats? Of course you can't.
Speaker 3: Carson Kaufman did enough for Kansas State.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I don't know, really, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, Stephen Garcia, you would be flattered, but you'd
Speaker 3: know that there was some spice involved in that, and
Speaker 3: that a compliment of sorts. Clint Trickett, Oh, Clint Tricket
Speaker 3: not a huge track record of success, but decent enough.
Speaker 3: I'd be fine with it. I wouldn't be insulted. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't say you take that back.
Speaker 1: Clint Trickets in that in that meaty neutral zone that
Speaker 1: I think we're looking for here.
Speaker 3: Okay, I have a question for you that I'm going
Speaker 3: to relate to college football before we leave. And this
Speaker 3: is something that I've thought about a lot in the
Speaker 3: last few days that I think you are uniquely able
Speaker 3: to answer because I think you think about this a lot. Okay, So,
Speaker 3: tiger Wood's just won the Masters.
Speaker 2: I'm fired up about tiger Wood's winning the Masters.
Speaker 3: This is why I'm asking you this.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm very fired up about this.
Speaker 3: So as I'm watching, I don't care either way. I
Speaker 3: don't I'm not a huge golf fan, and it was
Speaker 3: fun watching Tiger Woods when he went on his run
Speaker 3: as a younger golfer, and then obviously he went through
Speaker 3: both by his own accord and just nature taking its
Speaker 3: toll physically went there were some challenges, and then made
Speaker 3: his way back. An understatement, yes, one, why are people
Speaker 3: so fired up that he won a major? First? Because
Speaker 3: a lot came out about him that was ugly, not
Speaker 3: even just like the sex addict stuff, but just how
Speaker 3: he treated people. And there's all these books about how
Speaker 3: we are just not a good dude, And so I understand,
Speaker 3: like you separate the athlete from the person, and how
Speaker 3: much the athlete meant to you when he or she
Speaker 3: was succeeding. But why the overwhelming emotion over Tiger Wood's
Speaker 3: given the complete picture.
Speaker 1: So now we are we are definitely diverting off the college.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go back to college football with this. I'm
Speaker 3: going back to.
Speaker 1: You're going back to call that's well. I mean, he
Speaker 1: is Michael Jordan of an era, and so there's a
Speaker 1: certain sense of nostalgia there.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: I think for people in our general age.
Speaker 3: Brought a ton of people to golf, for sure.
Speaker 1: And you know so, and and there's no denying that
Speaker 1: there are missteps in his past that you can't look
Speaker 1: at very favorably.
Speaker 3: Crashed into a tree while hopped up on pills pain pills, yeh,
Speaker 3: away from his wife who found out he was cheating
Speaker 3: off them with like seven thousand women.
Speaker 1: It's it's a black guy. Yeah, it's a black eye.
Speaker 3: And moving on from it. I get all that. It's
Speaker 3: just it's super fascinating for me.
Speaker 1: I there is definitely a paradox there that I think
Speaker 1: you're you're right to question from my standpoint as an athlete,
Speaker 1: solely as an athlete, and you and I have debated
Speaker 1: whether or not golf is a sport, so we wouldn't
Speaker 1: have that.
Speaker 3: Entire Wood is undeniably athletic.
Speaker 1: But yes, absolutely, I would say solely as an athlete,
Speaker 1: he was the Michael Jordan of a generation, or to
Speaker 1: recapture some of that past glory, just solely as a
Speaker 1: sports fan, not looking at what happened personally, that that
Speaker 1: in and of itself is very exciting. So that that,
Speaker 1: for me is why I'm pumped.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's all I mean, that's all reasonable. I'm just
Speaker 3: I'm exceedingly curious because we know about we know more
Speaker 3: about athletes than we ever have, and so we're able
Speaker 3: to fill in a more complete picture, which which makes
Speaker 3: things more complicated.
Speaker 1: I've never looked at athletes as role models, and so
Speaker 1: I guess for me, it's been easier to get excited.
Speaker 1: But I do understand where some people come from when
Speaker 1: they say I'm I'm I'm done with Tiger because of that.
Speaker 2: I get that.
Speaker 3: I was seeing tweets from people at like four am,
Speaker 3: like can't sleep too nervous, Oh my god, what's going
Speaker 3: to happen today? No, I know, I'm sure you did,
Speaker 3: but I watched These are sports writers who are heavily invested.
Speaker 3: It's just that was fascinating to me. I watched the
Speaker 3: end of it on my phone in a restaurant and
Speaker 3: it was it was cool to see for sure. It
Speaker 3: was just you know, it's a weird, uh weird dichotomy.
Speaker 3: What I get it?
Speaker 2: I get it?
Speaker 3: Follow up? Could we ever have a redemption story? And
Speaker 3: as much as you think the Tiger Woods, you know,
Speaker 3: winning the Masters is a redemption story, a comebacks story
Speaker 3: like that in I guess any other sport. And could
Speaker 3: it happen in college football knowing that, like the best
Speaker 3: of the best, transformative players are only playing three years,
Speaker 3: or it would have to happen with a coach in
Speaker 3: some fashion. But it is funny as we had a
Speaker 3: cheating crash story already with the college coach, though he
Speaker 3: was nowhere near the influence and the champion that Tiger
Speaker 3: Woods was. Could you foresee that type of quote unquote
Speaker 3: redemption story happening in our sport where a player is
Speaker 3: transformative beloved, a coach is transformative beloved. I don't even
Speaker 3: know who the last universally beloved and transformative championship coach is,
Speaker 3: But could that happen in our sport.
Speaker 1: So you're talking Bill Snyder at age one twenty coming
Speaker 1: back to win a games.
Speaker 3: But he was so No, No, I'm talking about hype.
Speaker 3: Should we just paint the most hypothetically likable college football coach?
Speaker 2: Well, let me let me.
Speaker 1: I'm going to posit a a a guest here, last
Speaker 1: one a situation. It doesn't have all the elements of
Speaker 1: combustibility that say a Tiger Woods did.
Speaker 2: But would.
Speaker 1: Mac Brown returning to North Carolina to win a national
Speaker 1: championship have some of those ingredients?
Speaker 3: It might, I don't think so. Okay. Never the transformative
Speaker 3: coach that Tiger Woods was as a golfer, he won
Speaker 3: a national champions for Texas, winning multi right, I suppose
Speaker 3: the stadium is still named Darryl K. Royal. Okay, they
Speaker 3: didn't change the name to Mac Brown Stadium. Nick Saban's
Speaker 3: the closest coach we've had to that level of champion
Speaker 3: at that Tiger Woods is, But he was never the
Speaker 3: influence and the figure looming over the sport and bringing
Speaker 3: people to the sport and having not video games because
Speaker 3: there's no coaching video game that in the way that
Speaker 3: there is a Tiger Woods. Golf kind of thing. But
Speaker 3: as a personality, Nick Saban is nowhere there. So basically
Speaker 3: you'd have to have a coach, this hypothetical coach having
Speaker 3: a redemption story. This hypothetical coach would have to be
Speaker 3: like use elements of like the Mac Brown governor type
Speaker 3: of figure with Mike Leach and the wackiness doing stuff.
Speaker 3: You know, this hypothetical coach is paragliding with the rock.
Speaker 3: This hypothetical coach has like the Chip Kelly influence with
Speaker 3: the spread you know, winning.
Speaker 2: But I was going to say about Kelly.
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly has some ingredients of it.
Speaker 3: Right, So I'm saying, so we're basically putting together a recipe,
Speaker 3: a cocktail of the most likable coach, Steve Spurrier with
Speaker 3: the folksiness and the winning. Like I think everybody outside
Speaker 3: of what Tennessee, Georgia and Florida State fans and Clemson fans,
Speaker 3: I suppose, are pretty up on Steve Spurrier as just like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's a likable guy. So yeah, you throw all of
Speaker 3: these elements into a cast role. And so this is
Speaker 3: the clear most likable coach everybody likes semi recruits. Well,
Speaker 3: maybe he's not winning because as much as Nick Saban,
Speaker 3: because then you start being hated because you're winning too much.
Speaker 3: But whatever the cocktail is, you have Pete Carroll's charisma
Speaker 3: and you put that all into a coach and then
Speaker 3: there is just like this enormous, enormous downfall where he's fired.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a combination of crashing into a tree
Speaker 3: with an employee and any scandal you can think of.
Speaker 3: Players are being paid whatever, but it's ultimately, he's not
Speaker 3: doing anything. You know, he didn't know. There's no manslaughter accusation,
Speaker 3: there's no arson, there's nothing crazy. It's relatively victimless. And
Speaker 3: he comes back and is charming and wins the national championship.
Speaker 3: Is that even remotely anywhere near? Because I don't even
Speaker 3: know if that is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think you could go around college football.
Speaker 1: You can find ingredients, you can find some situations that
Speaker 1: maybe get you part of the way there. But it
Speaker 1: we're talking ultimately with Tiger as a once in a
Speaker 1: generation kind of thing, once in a lifetime kind of thing.
Speaker 1: To find any reasonable fact simile in college football really tough.
Speaker 1: You're really straining to try and find a situation that
Speaker 1: that rises to that level.
Speaker 3: Okay, here's my final situation. We have an Instagram influencer
Speaker 3: who also happens to be a five star quarterback coming
Speaker 3: out of high school. Okay, so the levels of fame
Speaker 3: are off the charts. I couldn't name for you a
Speaker 3: sixteen year old teen influencer. But let's say you have
Speaker 3: somebody going into college with millions of adoring followers kind
Speaker 3: of thing, right, Sure, so there's some kind of charm
Speaker 3: in charisma and personality baked into this person who also
Speaker 3: happens to have five star athletic ability. He goes on
Speaker 3: to play quarterback at USC, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Texas,
Speaker 3: you name it, whatever, some blue blood and he just
Speaker 3: kills it. He is incredible. He throws forty one touchdowns
Speaker 3: to three interceptions. He throws for four thousand yards, he
Speaker 3: runs for eight hundred like he is just the most unanimous,
Speaker 3: crazy Heisman runaway that we've seen in the recent era.
Speaker 3: Like there, and there's just so much too. You know,
Speaker 3: he's volunteering overseas, he's winning college Jeopardy. They're just like,
Speaker 3: what can't he do? Okay, Okay, are you with me? Yeah?
Speaker 3: This is this is I mean, it's far fetched, but
Speaker 3: it's you know, within one version of Earth, then possible.
Speaker 2: And then he has a fake girlfriend or we go
Speaker 2: in Manti.
Speaker 3: That's what I was going to say, That's what I
Speaker 3: was going to go with. I was go, go go. There's something
Speaker 3: dark and weird and maybe he is like maybe it's
Speaker 3: as far as like he has a famous girlfriend that's
Speaker 3: also beloved. Okay, So he's dating fellow influence or why okay,
Speaker 3: and she is beloved and he is cheating on her
Speaker 3: with somebody he's just being catfished by. Like it's just
Speaker 3: a very strange dynamic.
Speaker 1: And maybe his girlfriend's mother paid exorbitant sums for her
Speaker 1: to get into USC.
Speaker 3: Sure it's Lori Laughlin's daughter.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is getting a very weird.
Speaker 3: It's getting very weird ripped out of the headlines. But
Speaker 3: so there's a weird situation. He gets in a car
Speaker 3: crash running away from his real girlfriend to his fake
Speaker 3: girlfriend who doesn't exist, and it's just very strange. And
Speaker 3: so he's out for a year because of said car crash.
Speaker 3: He breaks his leg and it's a thousand different pieces
Speaker 3: and he has rebuilt, like the six million dollar man
Speaker 3: has bolts everywhere in his leg and not only does
Speaker 3: he come back, but he decides, you know what, Ohio
Speaker 3: State or Texas or USC whatever, too big of a
Speaker 3: fishbowl for me, okay, And he decides to transfer to gosh,
Speaker 3: what is the most likable like FC not FCS, but
Speaker 3: the most likable group of five school he goes to, like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, Temple, Temple. No, it's northeast, it's not college.
Speaker 3: It won't get the attention of college football in the
Speaker 3: same way a place in say he goes to Troy,
Speaker 3: he goes to South Florida, he goes to Houston, he
Speaker 3: goes North Dakota State. No, that's FCS. I'm saying, group
Speaker 3: of five.
Speaker 2: Oh, group of five? Okay?
Speaker 3: He and so he leads an underdog. Nobody believes in us,
Speaker 3: nobody wants to put us in the playoff. But that year,
Speaker 3: oh okay, I got you. That year they make it
Speaker 3: to the playoff. Because this superstar, influencer, five star blue
Speaker 3: chip quarterback with a fake girlfriend decides he doesn't want
Speaker 3: the fish bowl life in one of those places. He
Speaker 3: is going to lead North Texas, which is my now,
Speaker 3: perfect school for this because it's in Texas, so you
Speaker 3: have the attention of the college football world. He leads
Speaker 3: the Mean Green to the playoff and they beat Alabama
Speaker 3: in the National Championship Game. I think we start approaching
Speaker 3: that level.
Speaker 2: We start approaching it, but it's still not even close.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: It's still not all close. Man.
Speaker 1: There's not enough, not enough of a track record there.
Speaker 1: You could never get that kind of track record in
Speaker 1: college football if you're a player and not a coach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, his parents are both veterans. He is a man.
Speaker 3: I'm really trying to add as much as I possibly
Speaker 3: can to this Sunday, as many on top as possible.
Speaker 2: You can't get there. You can't get there.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to His dad is the rock, he is
Speaker 3: the pebble. I don't You're right, you're totally We can't
Speaker 3: get there. But that's as close as you can get,
Speaker 3: isn't it.
Speaker 2: That's about as close as you can get.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Victimless has to sit out a year to sort
Speaker 3: of regroup and recuperate. Man. I don't know how you
Speaker 3: get more likable and more in terms of eyeballs on
Speaker 3: you in a positive way, have that ugly fall and
Speaker 3: come back, you know, with your tail between your legs
Speaker 3: and topple a giant.
Speaker 2: I don't, Yeah, I don't know. I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's possible in college football?
Speaker 3: Can I give you one more quarterback name? Jeff Godfree?
Speaker 3: You see you and the solid wife Kate are the
Speaker 3: Jeff Godfree.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I'm gonna stick with kind of tricket as
Speaker 1: the cut line?
Speaker 3: All right? Was Jeff Godfrey the one who beat Florida State?
Speaker 2: I don't remember?
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: One final thought here from your boy Mario crystoball weather
Speaker 1: update for the spring game. He posted this forty five
Speaker 1: minutes ago, clear skies, one chance of physicality and explosiveness
Speaker 1: hashtag go.
Speaker 3: Ducks, hashtag go Ducks. Well, I just looked up Jeff
Speaker 3: Godfrey and it's a mugshot, so maybe okay.
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Speaker 1: So We've got a bunch of stuff going down. Dan's
Speaker 1: got a podcast. At some point we'll start talking live
Speaker 1: shows for the coming college football preseason. So a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff yet to be said here in the infancy
Speaker 1: of this college football off season.
Speaker 2: Next week is the Draft.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: As I said earlier, we're not going to do the
Speaker 1: draft preview show because it puts our It puts our
Speaker 1: draft buddies in a weird spot. They've got to try
Speaker 1: and predict things. Nobody likes predicting things because predictions are
Speaker 1: always wrong. So this time, for the first time ever,
Speaker 1: in eleven or twelve, however many years we've been doing
Speaker 1: this show, we're going to do a draft retrospective, looking
Speaker 1: back at some of our favorite college stars, how they
Speaker 1: fit in with their new pro teams, so on and
Speaker 1: so forth. We will be back next Wednesday have another
Speaker 1: show for you, but we're not going to be talking
Speaker 1: about the draft until afterwards.
Speaker 3: For those may I shamelessly promote something even further becase
Speaker 3: the worst just because you mentioned the draft, and just
Speaker 3: because I don't know if we'll be doing a show
Speaker 3: before then. I will be co hosting Sports Illustrated's live
Speaker 3: NFL Draft show with a number of people, and one
Speaker 3: of those persons is Andy Staples. Oh excellent, So our
Speaker 3: dear friend Andy Staples and myself hopefully your dear friend
Speaker 3: will be talking about guys being drafted as they're being
Speaker 3: drafted in their college context, so like, oh, well, here's
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Speaker 3: because that's also what we like to do. So I
Speaker 3: can't tell you the exact address because I don't know
Speaker 3: it to where to go to watch it, but you know,
Speaker 3: if you're not following SI now on Twitter, that would
Speaker 3: be a good place to start, because we'll be streaming
Speaker 3: all through the first round of the draft and having
Speaker 3: fun with all sorts of people and food and it'll
Speaker 3: be very catchual.
Speaker 2: You're George Foreman.
Speaker 1: Grills excellent, Oh excellent, excellent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Dan, that's all fun.
Speaker 1: As always, I will talk to you again in a week.
Speaker 1: Enjoy the rest of your time in Chicago, Land, and
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Speaker 2: I guess the next time I talk to you'll be
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