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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Solid Verbal. Come that for me. I'm

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Speaker 3: a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 3: I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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Speaker 3: for day A to state?

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Speaker 1: Is that?

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Speaker 3: Whoo whoom?

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Speaker 2: And now down and tie.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Solid Verbal, boys and girls. My

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Speaker 1: name is Ty Hildebrand. Joining me now over there in Chicago,

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Speaker 1: my man Dan Rubinstein, sir, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm good? The Solid Baby World Tour continues.

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Speaker 1: It continues the North American Tour. As little Man doing

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Speaker 1: on the planes? Is you all right with that?

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Speaker 3: He's great on the planes. He did literally crap his diaper. Okay,

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Speaker 3: they do that. Yeah, I mean he was good. He

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Speaker 3: So no complaints. And now I'm broadcasting from my brother

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Speaker 1: our previous stuff that we've done this offseason. We've been

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Speaker 1: about this year for the first time maybe ever. Dan, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: We're we're leading with klanga. So the optimistic spring narrative

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The problem though, is the report out of spring

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Speaker 3: I think Keyton Thompson surges to blow Afroge surges.

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Speaker 1: I'm optimistic about Keton Thompson. I think this is the

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Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough, let's go across the country. Washington State

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Speaker 3: His name appears to be Gage Gubrud Gauge.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm glad you said that.

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Speaker 3: Look it up.

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Speaker 1: This was truly a Globe Tomato type situation for me.

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Speaker 3: I say we go Gaja just to hon Glo roots.

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Speaker 1: Because everybody this pronounces I'm assuming the last name and

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Speaker 3: So Gayja Gubrud, who was also pretty menacing in the

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's so tough ask, It's so difficult to try and

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Speaker 3: Is the optimism warranted? Is it a thing?

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Speaker 1: The optimism is warranted? I think because we've now got

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this show is not meant to be necessarily a preview,

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Speaker 3: nothing else out of this show. It's that GUYJA like

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Speaker 3: I like that, thank you. So I'm gonna say no,

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Speaker 3: And I just think the hit rate is so low.

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Speaker 3: And I do not think come Thanksgiving, the Apple Cup

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Speaker 3: mathematically I'm saying not a thing for plug and play.

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Speaker 2: Though.

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Speaker 1: What I like about this conversation is that it highlights

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Speaker 2: It really truly does.

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Speaker 1: So you know Mike Leach has had some recent success

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Speaker 3: Hope it does. I hope it does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not rooting against it, but the hit rate

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Speaker 1: You could also play it, you know, a different way

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Speaker 3: Don't rain on the Gaja parade? What's wrong with you?

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Speaker 2: Where are we going next?

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go to Let's go back to the

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Speaker 2: Oh god, do we do we? You know?

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Speaker 1: I got a funny tweet that was in my mentions

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Speaker 3: Are you actually gonna do it? Are you going to

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Speaker 3: get a print out? Oh?

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Speaker 2: I'm not actually gonna do that. Wife kill me if

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Speaker 2: I tried that.

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Speaker 3: Hmmm is that not doing it for you?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't know. We'll talk about this on a leadership.

435
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Speaker 3: But Matthew McConaughey's crying face and Interstellar, that could work.

436
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Speaker 3: Did you like Interstellar?

437
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: I did up until he went behind the bookshelves. That's

438
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: a rough bookshelf, rough ending.

439
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 3: Apparently there was a different ending that made that wasn't

440
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 3: as on the nose emotional, and it was just sort

441
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 3: of him floating through space.

442
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 2: That's where it That's where it's sort of.

443
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 3: I think that was the Nolan brother. Yeah, who was

444
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 3: responsible for the actual ending? Like theoretically that scene was possible,

445
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 3: but it's rough ending. But to get from where it

446
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 3: started to where ended was a bit of a mental leap.

447
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 3: Sprinting LCD robot through water. Yeah, on board, fully there,

448
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 3: but God, behind the.

449
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Speaker 1: No the bookshelves. Yeah, we're just we're going into odd

450
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: tiars Florida State, Florida State black hole. Yes, the tweet,

451
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Speaker 1: I got the tweet I got from a Florida State

452
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: fan was listen, listen. If you're going to do the

453
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: Florida State black hole thing, can you at least put

454
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Speaker 1: a picture of Alex Hornybrook photoshop in the center of it.

455
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Speaker 1: And I think that's fair. I think we could put

456
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Speaker 1: Hornybrook on the event horizon of that black hole.

457
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 3: Nothing escapes the Alex Hornybrook overthrow.

458
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: Because if Alex Hornybrook gets sucked into the black hole,

459
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Speaker 1: there's a chance he enters a parallel universe where he's

460
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: throwing and putting up Gaja Goobrud numbers fifty one hundred

461
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Speaker 1: yards and forty eight touchdowns a year.

462
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Speaker 3: I'm planting my flag right now and rooting for Alex

463
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Speaker 3: Hornybrook at Florida State because it just seems like such

464
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Speaker 3: a backward, strange fit that I'm all for it.

465
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Speaker 1: The question is, explain to me how you feel about

466
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 1: Florida State's offense where your source of optimum optimism is

467
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: excuse me, outside of Alex Hornybrook, why why should we

468
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Speaker 1: be excited?

469
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Speaker 2: Why are people excited?

470
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Speaker 3: So the best of Willie Taggart's quote, I think he

471
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Speaker 3: calls it the Gulf Coast offense, which we tried running

472
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 3: last year with all sorts of injuries and issues everywhere.

473
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Speaker 3: Essentially I was I was in Walt Bell was the

474
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Speaker 3: offensive coordinator. Now he takes over at UMass, So Kendall

475
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 3: Briles enters stage left, and he's had a ton of

476
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Speaker 3: success in terms of the offenses he's helped to run

477
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 3: both at Baylor and Houston, and you know, quarterbacks have

478
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 3: had a pretty easy job finding open men and putting

479
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 3: up yards and touchdown totals whatever. Alex Harnybrook comes from

480
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 3: that more under center power system, and I think that

481
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 3: they will have some success. But I am I am

482
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 3: hard pressed to even think, like even if you look

483
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Speaker 3: at somebody like Bryce Petty, who seemed like, oh he

484
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 3: should be a decent enough pro and he's been nothing

485
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 3: that they were able to plug and play Baylor quarterback

486
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 3: after Baylor quarterback run the ball really well and still

487
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 3: big games, and you know, teach and develop quarterback success

488
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 3: pretty consistently. We saw last year in Houston with the

489
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Speaker 3: Eric King until he got hurt. So he's had success

490
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 3: with not super mobile and mobile quarterbacks. I have to

491
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 3: imagine the Florida State offense with offensive line help with

492
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Speaker 3: the talent they have in the backfield, with a pretty

493
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 3: stellar recruiting class from a couple of years ago at

494
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Speaker 3: Receiver that Alex Hornybrook and Kendall Briles and their marriage

495
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 3: will ultimately be not necessarily making out at every restaurant

496
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 3: like a married couple that is super duper into each other. Yeah,

497
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Speaker 3: but serviceable workmanlike marriage, I think so I'm gonna say yes.

498
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Speaker 3: Competence is a thing in Tallahassee.

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Speaker 2: A serviceable workman like marriage.

500
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Speaker 3: A serviceable So here's here's what a serviceable workman like

501
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 3: marriage means to me.

502
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: They're all that's like business partners who decide to get

503
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: married just to make taxes easier.

504
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,719
Speaker 3: They they come to an agreement more often than not.

505
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 3: When watching Netflix, right, they have their shows, they're like,

506
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Speaker 3: you know, a workman like maybe we'll just the rest

507
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 3: of the show is trying to define what a workman likes.

508
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 3: They're open with their finances. Oh god, they alternate selecting

509
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 3: restaurants to go out to. They you know, agree to

510
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 3: start saving for their kids college pretty early on. I'm

511
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 3: not saying the passion is there. I'm not saying they're

512
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 3: they're sneaking into an alley for a quickie after dinner.

513
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 3: But there's enough crossover and appreciation for each other's abilities

514
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 3: that they're able to move forward with success.

515
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 2: I think it's business partners who decide to get married.

516
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 3: Okay, so this is a green card marriage. No, not

517
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: a green card.

518
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 2: I don't mean that.

519
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: I'm just talking like two people in business together and

520
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: they decide. You know, taxes are complicated, we spend we

521
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: spend time around each other.

522
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: All the time, every day, all day. Yeah, why why

523
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 2: don't we just make this thing official and just move on?

524
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 3: So people, let's rub up against each other with regularity,

525
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 3: That's right.

526
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I don't know.

527
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 3: I do agree this a serviceable, workmanlike marriage or do

528
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 3: you think it is? It's there's it seems like lustful,

529
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 3: but then it's gonna flame out pretty quick.

530
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 1: Well, I so I come at this from I guess

531
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: just a pure logical perspective.

532
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 2: I don't know what you want to call it.

533
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: But Florida State was really bad again along their offensive line,

534
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: and this has been a problem the last couple of years.

535
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 3: Of injuries, transfers, yeah, the nuts, anything that could go wrong,

536
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 3: did I don't.

537
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: We're not We're not teaming up on Florida State here.

538
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: If you're a Florida State fan, these are things you

539
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: already know. Like it's been tough to watch the offensive

540
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: line over the last couple of seasons. So I don't

541
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: think it's gonna get a whole lot worse than that.

542
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: My expectation is that it's only going to get better.

543
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: And I know Willie Tagger had a rough go of

544
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: it in season one and that there was some upheaval

545
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: on the staff and whatnot. But I think he's a

546
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: good coach. I think he's where he wants to be.

547
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: He's gonna get things going in a good direction. Maybe

548
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: Jimbo Fisher is the one who looks smarter leaving when

549
00:28:58,800 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: he did well.

550
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 3: He also just that was a personality clash that was

551
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: an institutional It was a game of Chick West kind

552
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 3: of thing.

553
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: It was a game of chicken and you could argue

554
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: whether or not he really wanted to go to A

555
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: and M, but that's a topic for another day.

556
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: It's old news about this point, though.

557
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: He looks smarter maybe than he was for leaving what

558
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: he did, Given the struggles that we saw from Florida

559
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: State last season.

560
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: I think that's fair to say.

561
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: I don't know about a huge step forward, but I

562
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: think a step forward, a sizeable step forward with that

563
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: offensive line, with their new offensive coordinator in Kendall Briles,

564
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: I think that is certainly a very real source of

565
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: optimism and a good expectation. I think Alex Hornybrook, for

566
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: as much as I have teamed up on him because

567
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: of the pop gun arm and all that, he is

568
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: a real upgrade over James Blackman.

569
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: I've watched James Blackman.

570
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: I would take Alex Hornybrook eight days a week and

571
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: twice on Sundays, five times on Sundays over James Blackman.

572
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: I think he will at least give them some level

573
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: of experience that they desperately need need at the quarterback

574
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: position to help steady that ship. There's talent around the

575
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: Florida State offense otherwise, they really just do need to

576
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: get some experience at quarterback. They need to get a

577
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: better system in place that everyone can get behind and

578
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: row in the same direction, and they need to get

579
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: a little bit more consistent offensive line place. So this

580
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: is all a long way of saying that while I

581
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: might not be as optimistic, I am still pretty optimistic.

582
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: That they're going to get things going in a good

583
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: direction in twenty nineteen.

584
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 3: Which quarterback tie? Because god, I just I need to

585
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 3: keep digressing to this which quarterback. Let's say in the

586
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 3: last ten years, would you be neither insulted nor flattered

587
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 3: if somebody compared your marriage to himies? So okay, I'm

588
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 3: looking at the twenty ten quarterback stats. Obviously, Bryant Moni's

589
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 3: to you would probably be an insult. Yes, after what

590
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: you've talked about with this pop gun.

591
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: Arm right, there's no spark there. It's just that's that's all.

592
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I think Aaron Murray a compliment. Sure, I'll

593
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: take Aaron Murray.

594
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 3: Aaron Murray would be a Scott Tolzine. I think that's

595
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 3: I think that's the magic name.

596
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: MM efficient Efficient? Do you want your marriage, though, to

597
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: be called efficient.

598
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: The Scott tot Well, I'm saying neither flattered nor insulted.

599
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: I think I'd be more insulted with Scott Tolzy.

600
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: You'd be insulted with your marriage being called the Scott

601
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: Tolzane of marriages.

602
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think i'd be super there's no excitement there.

603
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: Geno Smith probably flattered given what he did in college,

604
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 3: I would take.

605
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: Well, it didn't end well, but you know, I mean

606
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: fifty percent is what we're looking at nowadays. Marriage Greg McElroy,

607
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: Greg McElroy, Really he's like the cut line.

608
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 3: Ricky Stansey, love it or leave it? Would that be

609
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 3: an I don't think that would be an insult. I

610
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: wouldn't personally love it. But so if I.

611
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: Came up to you and I said, Dan and Jody

612
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: with an eye your marriage, okay, it really reminds me

613
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,959
Speaker 1: of Scott Tolzine or Ricky Stansy, you would look at

614
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: me and you kick me out of your apartment.

615
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: I'm saying about who is the most neutral. I'm not

616
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 3: saying who's the most flattering or insulting? Kauffman, Ricky Stansy,

617
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 3: ain't it dog? Ryan nasib Oh? How about this? Okay?

618
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 3: You ready? Would you be taken aback? Would you kick

619
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 3: somebody or out of your house if they said I'm

620
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: not saying your marriage is great. I'm not saying your

621
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: marriage is bad. Your marriage is the Tino Sounsei of marriages.

622
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 3: Craig McElroy is probably the best dancer. Greg McElroy is

623
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 3: the most New I mean he is the most neutral.

624
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: Because he he might have been a game manager, but

625
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: he was a championship winning quarterback and he was very solid.

626
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: He didn't be he never let you down.

627
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: T J.

628
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: Yates, I think would be a flattering comparison. Were talking

629
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: about college TJ. Yates, not pro Sean Renfrey, No, GJ.

630
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: Kenney Tulsa. No, really, what about Brandon Whedon would be

631
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 3: a super duper compliment College Brandon Whedon. I would take marriages.

632
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 3: I would take Brandon Whedon. Yeah, that would be Sunseri

633
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 3: is your line, right, mclroy, is where you stand, Tino.

634
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 3: Sunseri is a a bridge too far. It's a bridge

635
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 3: too far, like he's not making the cut. Scott tolzene

636
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 3: Is is right around that cut line. Greg McElroy, though

637
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 3: he's probably perfectly neutral. J. Cory Harris, No, that's an

638
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 3: insult to you. Yes, Austin Carter, Samuel's no Wyoming that year.

639
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: This is a very weird game we're playing here.

640
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: Oh my god, was this.

641
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: The hypothetical you told me about.

642
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 3: No, this isn't even the hypothismce that I wanted to ask

643
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 3: you about. All right, Oh man, if somebody if somebody said,

644
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 3: you know what your marriage now that I've spent time

645
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 3: around it, between you and Jody with an eye is.

646
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: For whatever reason, it just reminds me of Richard Brijo. Sir,

647
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 3: you leave my house and you forget my address.

648
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: Wow, that's cut.

649
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you? All right, Chas DoD No, okay, before

650
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: we move on, we need to reset here and find

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, good.

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Speaker 2: Where are we going next?

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Speaker 3: Danny O'Brien freshman year only before he transferred, showed promise.

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Speaker 3: I say yes. I say yes in that I would

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Speaker 3: be flattered by the upside, but thinking our marriage could

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Speaker 2: Dan, you and Jody with and I are the Dane christ.

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Speaker 3: That's not nice. That means we're constantly wounded.

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Speaker 1: You're wounded, but you had so much promise. There was

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Speaker 1: a there's a leadership quality there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So maybe the stats aren't on the board, but you

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Speaker 1: still had the respect of your peers.

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Speaker 3: Can we also agree to shorten, as clunky as it

703
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Speaker 3: might seem, any former Notre Dame quarterbacks first name, now

704
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Speaker 3: that Tommy Reese is now Tom Reese.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm fine with this.

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Speaker 3: So it would be Rhet Golson. Yeah, it would be

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Speaker 3: day Chris. I don't know how to what do we

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Speaker 3: do for Ian book. Well, he's not former yet, he's

709
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Speaker 3: not former form. Yeah, so it would be Leake Zaire.

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Speaker 3: It would be Jim Clawson, which might be the best

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Speaker 3: Showan Kaiser maybe Sean Kayser, Yeah, just Sean, that's an

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Speaker 3: actual name. And I don't know who else comes up

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Speaker 3: to mind?

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Speaker 1: Will we go jar or Rheus Jackson.

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Speaker 3: Jer Jared Jackson, j Jared Jackson, and I guess the

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Speaker 3: last god? Who are other recent Notre Dame quarterbacks? Now

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00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: that Tom Reese is spoken, Tom Tom Race, I see

718
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Speaker 3: a tweet with Tom Rae. Is he the quarterback coach

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Speaker 3: in Notre Dame? Now, yes, I see that name. You're like,

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Speaker 3: come on, come on you, Tommy. You Tomy like a

721
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Speaker 3: disgusting South Boston weirdo. All right, next school before we

722
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Speaker 3: just keep digressing into just even further nonsense than usual.

723
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Speaker 3: Where do you want to go?

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Speaker 2: Car Holiday.

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Speaker 3: At cart No, it's Lyle Holiday, right, No, it was

726
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Speaker 3: Carlyle Holiday. I know, but Lyle is the natural. We

727
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Speaker 3: could dole Lyle Holiday. NAS battle is the best one.

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Speaker 3: NAS battle back into tho. All right, we really got it.

729
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 3: We've really got to move on here. Okay, let's go.

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Speaker 3: Let's go with something that I think is going to

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Speaker 3: be uplifting because this is a spring positivity podcast. Kansas

732
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Speaker 3: State and they're just aggressively average defense from twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 3: At the end of the Bill Snyder era is reinvigorated

734
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Speaker 3: in the Chris Climbing era, and the Scottie Hazelton era,

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Speaker 3: the successful defensive coordinator from Wyoming and Kansas State, is

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Speaker 3: that that alternate to the big twelves offensive firepower that

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Speaker 3: they are, they're the change up in that all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden, teams scoring forty seven are scoring nineteen. You're

739
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Speaker 3: precious nineteen that Kansas State in year one with what

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Speaker 3: their return, especially upfront, and with Scottie Hazelton's background with linebackers,

741
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Speaker 3: Chris Climan's defensive background with defensive backs, that even though

742
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Speaker 3: they're replacing a lot in the defensive backfield, given where

743
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Speaker 3: the let's say pack twelve, given where the big twelve

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Speaker 3: is offensively, Kansas State is the efis the ethis.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, So here's what I'd like you to do. I'm

747
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Speaker 1: very optimistic about Scotty Hazelton. I'm very optimistic about Chris Climan.

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Speaker 1: Great an outstanding higher. Of course, there was some familiarity

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Speaker 1: with the k State ad and climbing from their time

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Speaker 1: at North dakost State.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a year one.

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Speaker 3: Though it's year one, it's year one a lot to ask.

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Speaker 1: I think longer term though, that is an outstanding higher

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Speaker 1: and among all the new hires that we've seen some

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Speaker 1: really good hires. I think this coaching offseason, I think

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Speaker 1: I'm most excited about this one, if only because we

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Speaker 1: saw that infrastructure. We saw that apparatus up close though

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Speaker 1: when we went up to Fargo. It does take a while,

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Speaker 1: but it's a long time they built the thing up there,

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Speaker 1: and that was exciting to see up close to. Personally,

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Speaker 1: I want you to go out to the official k

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Speaker 1: State Athletics website if you could just run a quick

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Speaker 1: Google image search on Scottie Hazelton.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I've already done this. If that's not reason

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Speaker 3: for optimism.

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Speaker 2: This beard is a national treasure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Not only is it full and a little salt and pepper,

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Speaker 1: but he has somehow achieved a perfect straight line at

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Speaker 1: the bottom.

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Speaker 2: Of the beard.

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Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know how you do this, right. It's

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Speaker 1: like he dipped the bottom of his beard into a

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Speaker 1: wood chipper, you know, perfectly?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 3: From the start, it's like if Trey Kirby had from

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Speaker 3: the starters on an NBA TV, if he had like

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Speaker 3: a grizzled giant uncle. Yeah, right, that's what Scottie Hazelton

780
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Speaker 3: looks like I'm very optimistic about case stage chances. The

781
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Speaker 3: defense does need to get better, yeah, and it had

782
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Speaker 3: been in a good place, but last year they certainly

783
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 3: took a step back with some of their offensive troubles

784
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Speaker 3: as well, leaving that defense on the field for a while.

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Speaker 3: I think it's going to be a thing. I don't

786
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Speaker 3: know if Kansas State is an eight win team, but

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Speaker 3: I don't think it'll because of their defense. I think

788
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Speaker 3: they could have a pretty good half team at the

789
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Speaker 3: very least with I think the transition is going to

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Speaker 3: be more apparent and hit more speed bumps on offense

791
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 3: than it will on defense. Even so, you have Oklahoma

792
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Speaker 3: new quarterback, Oklahoma State new quarterback, and new offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 3: Iowa State brings back Brock Party party like a Brock Star.

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Speaker 3: Kansas should be a mess this year at least and

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Speaker 3: probably the next couple of years. Texas it looks to

796
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Speaker 3: be in pretty good shape. Lose a couple of playmakers

797
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Speaker 3: on offense. TCU has had a whole bunch of quarterback upheaval,

798
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Speaker 3: and even if their offense is okay, that's an improvement

799
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Speaker 3: over where it's been. So I don't think you can

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Speaker 3: expect a ton from the horn Frogs this year. West

801
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Speaker 3: Virginia is going through their own transition and new quarterback.

802
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Speaker 3: So Kansas State's defense, I think could be a pretty

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Speaker 3: nice efis what.

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Speaker 1: I like about a team that could have an ephis

805
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Speaker 1: defense in try say the defense I try to saying

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Speaker 1: that twenty times fast in the Big twelve. Is having

807
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Speaker 1: a defense in the Big twelve puts you at a

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Speaker 1: bit of an advantage. It puts you at a bit

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Speaker 1: of an advantage. And we're not saying here that they're

810
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Speaker 1: going to come out and be gangbusters right away on defense.

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Speaker 1: But if they can get some consistency on that side

812
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Speaker 1: of the ball, that gives them a really good chance

813
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: to make some noise into Big twelve to at least

814
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Speaker 1: be that efis that defense.

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Speaker 3: And it's a new defense. So there's not a ton

816
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 3: of film of these players playing into this scheme which

817
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 3: is either good or bad. It could be really great.

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Speaker 1: I'm very optimistic, as I think you are as well.

819
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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so we were.

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Speaker 2: Let's move on. Let's do one or two more schools.

821
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Speaker 3: I think this is just our final, our final item.

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Speaker 3: You added a couple do yours.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead.

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Speaker 3: You talk about State later, and we've done Penn State

825
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 3: too much. I'll give you a brief window for Penn State.

826
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Speaker 3: And we've talked about Florida, but I wanted to make

827
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Speaker 3: it all states. So Michigan State's offense, okay, dashes just

828
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Speaker 3: is a lightning bolt of average. We would be an

829
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Speaker 3: enormous improvement with whoever is running things, whoever ends up

830
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Speaker 3: as the quarterback. I guess if it's Brian Laworki once again.

831
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Speaker 3: And they should be healthier with Jalen Naylor outside. But

832
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Speaker 3: they stride, they sprint, they they lunge towards an average offense.

833
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Speaker 1: Okay, Brian Laworki and Michigan State as a whole had

834
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Speaker 1: issues with injuries. Yeah, they did huge injury problems last year.

835
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Speaker 1: I think even in twenty seventeen, Lowerki was talking about

836
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Speaker 1: how he played through injury, played through pain. Presumably he's

837
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Speaker 1: healthy now, presumably I would.

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Speaker 3: Assume, yeah, on his road to it, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That would be nice. I think Brian Lilwurki is still

840
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Speaker 1: a pretty good quarterback. And when he had a chance

841
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Speaker 1: to play and when he was healthy and when he

842
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Speaker 1: had a little bit more structure around him, a little

843
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: bit more stability around him.

844
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Speaker 2: He was pretty good.

845
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Speaker 1: We were pretty optimistic about little work he headed into

846
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Speaker 1: this season. Last season, I should say, and you know

847
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 1: that did not work out for a multitude of reasons.

848
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Speaker 1: There were also times earlier in the year when the

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Speaker 1: worky it looked like he wanted to stretch the field,

850
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Speaker 1: and he had some success with that. If they can

851
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Speaker 1: get back to a healthy Brian LITLWORKI and maybe stretching

852
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 1: the field a little bit more, I think there's plenty

853
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: of optimism that they could at least surge back to average.

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Speaker 2: As you've got here on our doc.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's an un reasonable expectation, and I

856
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Speaker 1: think it should be. I think it should be the

857
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: expectation now as we move forward. Like if you're a

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00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: Michigan State fan and you get more of what you

859
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: saw last year, injury or no injuries, there's going to

860
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: be upheaval. People are gonna be very upset just with

861
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: the team as a whole, the direction of the program.

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00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: I would imagine hot seat conversations if you can't get

863
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: more of a consistent look on offense. So that needs

864
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: to be I think your baseline for twenty nineteen. Just

865
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Speaker 1: getting back to a point where you feel like there's

866
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Speaker 1: an average product offensively.

867
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we're not all that far removed from

868
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: was it twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen a Kirk Cousins season

869
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 3: in which they were excuse me, not Kirk Cousins of

870
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 3: Connor cook season, coonor Cooks. They were, Yeah, they were not.

871
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 3: They were full on really good. They were probably one

872
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 3: of the five to seven best offenses in the country

873
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 3: in terms of what they did per drive, not necessarily

874
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: the points they put up in the game, but they

875
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 3: were incredibly efficient.

876
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: And look to your point, you don't need to be

877
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: Oklahoma under Lincoln Riley to have a good offense to

878
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: have a productive offense, not in a Big twelve, not

879
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: in the Big Ten, not anywhere in college football. You

880
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: just need to be more consistent. You need to present

881
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: some variety for opponents. Michigan State didn't do that, and

882
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: there were again a multitude of reasons why. But they

883
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: need to be able to do that again in order

884
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: to get back to that at least average level of

885
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: offensive output.

886
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 3: And that new offensive mind from Michigan State who's going

887
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 3: to come in and take them to average is oh wait, no,

888
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 3: they just changed the positions of all of their coaches.

889
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 3: I'm not buying them. I think I don't think they

890
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 3: search to average. No, I think it's I think the

891
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 3: Big Ten is improving too much, especially on defense, or

892
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 3: at least staying at a high enough level where you

893
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 3: got to show me something. You got to show me

894
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 3: a new hire, you got to show me a tweaked system.

895
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 3: You have to show me a red shirting quarterback with

896
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 3: all the promise in the world, or the quarterback was

897
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 3: injured last year, or there's this huge infusion of offensive skill,

898
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 3: a transfer, a graduate like they're you know, the whole

899
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: offensive line was hurt like whatever it was. And I

900
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 3: know they had injury issues last year and they're going

901
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 3: to be at least presumably healthier to start the year.

902
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 3: But I do not see a big enough catalyst to

903
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: get them to average. I think that's too big a

904
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 3: leap with how incompetent they look last year even with injuries. Wow, yeah,

905
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 3: so you're doing state. I watched the entirety of that

906
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 3: whatever the bowl they were in against organ is called.

907
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 3: I don't think it's the Foster Farms Red Box Bowl. Yeah,

908
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 3: I am I hitting that correctly. Sure, And I know

909
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 3: how good Organ's twenty eighteen offense or excuse me, their

910
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 3: defense was, which is below average, and they were not

911
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 3: able to do much. So I'm just even with bowl

912
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 3: results not meaning a ton to me. That's the most

913
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 3: recent thing I've seen, and the taste is going to

914
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 3: be harder to wash out than I was really willing

915
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: to admit.

916
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: So, yep, you have a thing that I'll add here quickly,

917
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 1: and you kind of touched on it. But they need

918
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: to get better, not just a quarterback, but the running

919
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: game has been an issue. The line play is an

920
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: issue last year, a real big issue. I think they

921
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: bring back pretty much everybody from their starting offensive line,

922
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: everyone who played in the bowl game at least.

923
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: And I've been told that before, ty, I've been hurt before.

924
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: And my point is that might not even be a

925
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: good thing give given the state of affairs last year.

926
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: So it really is.

927
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 3: It almost like if you were to say, like the

928
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 3: offense is going to get better because they're losing eight starters,

929
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 3: like you know what, I'll roll some dice on that fact.

930
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's not always the case. More often than not,

931
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: it's a case that you bring a lot back the offense.

932
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: The personnel improves, but not always, and I'm not sure

933
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: that's the case here, at least along the offensive line

934
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: from Michigan State. So I am optimistic, probably more optimistic

935
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: than you, but we're not talking the same level of

936
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 1: optimism that I feel for Say, I don't know Florida State.

937
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 3: Or Keys on Top as a playmate in the right situation.

938
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 3: There's no track record with this staff right now, recent

939
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 3: track record with this staff like you have in the

940
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 3: back of your head with Joe Morehead in Mississippi State.

941
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, thank you Jeff Tool.

942
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 3: If I said no because his name is Jeff Toole,

943
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 3: well it's tue L.

944
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter, it's still Tool.

945
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 3: If I said, your marriage is successful enough, but it's

946
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 3: sort of a system marriage. Your marriage is sort of

947
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 3: a product of you both coming from good families, you

948
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 3: both having decent jobs, you both having like you're both

949
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 3: sensible people. If I said you had a Jeff Tool marriage,

950
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 3: you would not be you would not take huge umbradge.

951
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: It's a Jeff Tool marriage, Yes I would.

952
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: Early Jeff Tool had a lot of promise, come talk.

953
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: I don't think you can sell and say I really

954
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: admire your Jeff tool marriage.

955
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 3: Out. She would not find that a compliment. Almost sixty percent.

956
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: I know completion percentage numbers are not necessarily accurate within

957
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 3: an araid, but sixty percent essentially completion percentage, eighteen touchdowns

958
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 3: to twelve interceptions, one hundred and thirty three quarterback rating,

959
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 3: which was good for fifty first in the country, or

960
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 3: more broadly speaking, above average.

961
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: No, it's Jeff. No, it's Jeff freaking tool.

962
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 3: No, Stephen three.

963
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: How many games did Stephen Threet play?

964
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 3: Zach Koleros No? Twenty six to fourteen? Where are you

965
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 3: finding this list of quarterbacks CFB stats? Of course you can't.

966
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: Carson Kaufman did enough for Kansas State.

967
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: Oh man, I don't know, really, I don't know.

968
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 3: I mean, Stephen Garcia, you would be flattered, but you'd

969
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 3: know that there was some spice involved in that, and

970
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 3: that a compliment of sorts. Clint Trickett, Oh, Clint Tricket

971
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,479
Speaker 3: not a huge track record of success, but decent enough.

972
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 3: I'd be fine with it. I wouldn't be insulted. I

973
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 3: wouldn't say you take that back.

974
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: Clint Trickets in that in that meaty neutral zone that

975
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: I think we're looking for here.

976
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 3: Okay, I have a question for you that I'm going

977
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 3: to relate to college football before we leave. And this

978
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 3: is something that I've thought about a lot in the

979
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 3: last few days that I think you are uniquely able

980
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 3: to answer because I think you think about this a lot. Okay, So,

981
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 3: tiger Wood's just won the Masters.

982
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 2: I'm fired up about tiger Wood's winning the Masters.

983
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 3: This is why I'm asking you this.

984
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm very fired up about this.

985
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 3: So as I'm watching, I don't care either way. I

986
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 3: don't I'm not a huge golf fan, and it was

987
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 3: fun watching Tiger Woods when he went on his run

988
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 3: as a younger golfer, and then obviously he went through

989
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 3: both by his own accord and just nature taking its

990
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 3: toll physically went there were some challenges, and then made

991
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 3: his way back. An understatement, yes, one, why are people

992
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 3: so fired up that he won a major? First? Because

993
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 3: a lot came out about him that was ugly, not

994
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 3: even just like the sex addict stuff, but just how

995
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 3: he treated people. And there's all these books about how

996
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 3: we are just not a good dude, And so I understand,

997
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 3: like you separate the athlete from the person, and how

998
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 3: much the athlete meant to you when he or she

999
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 3: was succeeding. But why the overwhelming emotion over Tiger Wood's

1000
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 3: given the complete picture.

1001
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: So now we are we are definitely diverting off the college.

1002
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go back to college football with this. I'm

1003
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 3: going back to.

1004
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: You're going back to call that's well. I mean, he

1005
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: is Michael Jordan of an era, and so there's a

1006
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: certain sense of nostalgia there.

1007
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.

1008
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: I think for people in our general age.

1009
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 3: Brought a ton of people to golf, for sure.

1010
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: And you know so, and and there's no denying that

1011
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: there are missteps in his past that you can't look

1012
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: at very favorably.

1013
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 3: Crashed into a tree while hopped up on pills pain pills, yeh,

1014
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 3: away from his wife who found out he was cheating

1015
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 3: off them with like seven thousand women.

1016
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 1: It's it's a black guy. Yeah, it's a black eye.

1017
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 3: And moving on from it. I get all that. It's

1018
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 3: just it's super fascinating for me.

1019
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: I there is definitely a paradox there that I think

1020
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: you're you're right to question from my standpoint as an athlete,

1021
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: solely as an athlete, and you and I have debated

1022
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 1: whether or not golf is a sport, so we wouldn't

1023
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: have that.

1024
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 3: Entire Wood is undeniably athletic.

1025
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: But yes, absolutely, I would say solely as an athlete,

1026
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: he was the Michael Jordan of a generation, or to

1027
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: recapture some of that past glory, just solely as a

1028
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: sports fan, not looking at what happened personally, that that

1029
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: in and of itself is very exciting. So that that,

1030
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: for me is why I'm pumped.

1031
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 3: Okay, that's all I mean, that's all reasonable. I'm just

1032
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 3: I'm exceedingly curious because we know about we know more

1033
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 3: about athletes than we ever have, and so we're able

1034
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 3: to fill in a more complete picture, which which makes

1035
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 3: things more complicated.

1036
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: I've never looked at athletes as role models, and so

1037
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 1: I guess for me, it's been easier to get excited.

1038
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: But I do understand where some people come from when

1039
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: they say I'm I'm I'm done with Tiger because of that.

1040
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 2: I get that.

1041
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 3: I was seeing tweets from people at like four am,

1042
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 3: like can't sleep too nervous, Oh my god, what's going

1043
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 3: to happen today? No, I know, I'm sure you did,

1044
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 3: but I watched These are sports writers who are heavily invested.

1045
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 3: It's just that was fascinating to me. I watched the

1046
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 3: end of it on my phone in a restaurant and

1047
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 3: it was it was cool to see for sure. It

1048
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 3: was just you know, it's a weird, uh weird dichotomy.

1049
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 3: What I get it?

1050
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: I get it?

1051
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 3: Follow up? Could we ever have a redemption story? And

1052
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 3: as much as you think the Tiger Woods, you know,

1053
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 3: winning the Masters is a redemption story, a comebacks story

1054
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 3: like that in I guess any other sport. And could

1055
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 3: it happen in college football knowing that, like the best

1056
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 3: of the best, transformative players are only playing three years,

1057
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 3: or it would have to happen with a coach in

1058
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 3: some fashion. But it is funny as we had a

1059
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 3: cheating crash story already with the college coach, though he

1060
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 3: was nowhere near the influence and the champion that Tiger

1061
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 3: Woods was. Could you foresee that type of quote unquote

1062
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 3: redemption story happening in our sport where a player is

1063
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 3: transformative beloved, a coach is transformative beloved. I don't even

1064
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 3: know who the last universally beloved and transformative championship coach is,

1065
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 3: But could that happen in our sport.

1066
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: So you're talking Bill Snyder at age one twenty coming

1067
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: back to win a games.

1068
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 3: But he was so No, No, I'm talking about hype.

1069
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 3: Should we just paint the most hypothetically likable college football coach?

1070
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 2: Well, let me let me.

1071
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to posit a a a guest here, last

1072
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: one a situation. It doesn't have all the elements of

1073
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: combustibility that say a Tiger Woods did.

1074
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 2: But would.

1075
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 1: Mac Brown returning to North Carolina to win a national

1076
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: championship have some of those ingredients?

1077
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 3: It might, I don't think so. Okay. Never the transformative

1078
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 3: coach that Tiger Woods was as a golfer, he won

1079
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 3: a national champions for Texas, winning multi right, I suppose

1080
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 3: the stadium is still named Darryl K. Royal. Okay, they

1081
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 3: didn't change the name to Mac Brown Stadium. Nick Saban's

1082
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 3: the closest coach we've had to that level of champion

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Speaker 3: at that Tiger Woods is, But he was never the

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Speaker 3: influence and the figure looming over the sport and bringing

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Speaker 3: people to the sport and having not video games because

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Speaker 3: there's no coaching video game that in the way that

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Speaker 3: there is a Tiger Woods. Golf kind of thing. But

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00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 3: as a personality, Nick Saban is nowhere there. So basically

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Speaker 3: you'd have to have a coach, this hypothetical coach having

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Speaker 3: a redemption story. This hypothetical coach would have to be

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Speaker 3: like use elements of like the Mac Brown governor type

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Speaker 3: of figure with Mike Leach and the wackiness doing stuff.

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Speaker 3: You know, this hypothetical coach is paragliding with the rock.

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Speaker 3: This hypothetical coach has like the Chip Kelly influence with

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Speaker 3: the spread you know, winning.

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Speaker 2: But I was going to say about Kelly.

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Speaker 1: Chip Kelly has some ingredients of it.

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Speaker 3: Right, So I'm saying, so we're basically putting together a recipe,

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Speaker 3: a cocktail of the most likable coach, Steve Spurrier with

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Speaker 3: the folksiness and the winning. Like I think everybody outside

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Speaker 3: of what Tennessee, Georgia and Florida State fans and Clemson fans,

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Speaker 3: I suppose, are pretty up on Steve Spurrier as just like, oh,

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00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 3: that's a likable guy. So yeah, you throw all of

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Speaker 3: these elements into a cast role. And so this is

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Speaker 3: the clear most likable coach everybody likes semi recruits. Well,

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Speaker 3: maybe he's not winning because as much as Nick Saban,

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Speaker 3: because then you start being hated because you're winning too much.

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Speaker 3: But whatever the cocktail is, you have Pete Carroll's charisma

1109
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 3: and you put that all into a coach and then

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00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 3: there is just like this enormous, enormous downfall where he's fired.

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00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 3: You know, it's a combination of crashing into a tree

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Speaker 3: with an employee and any scandal you can think of.

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00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 3: Players are being paid whatever, but it's ultimately, he's not

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00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 3: doing anything. You know, he didn't know. There's no manslaughter accusation,

1115
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 3: there's no arson, there's nothing crazy. It's relatively victimless. And

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Speaker 3: he comes back and is charming and wins the national championship.

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Speaker 3: Is that even remotely anywhere near? Because I don't even

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Speaker 3: know if that is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think you could go around college football.

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Speaker 1: You can find ingredients, you can find some situations that

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Speaker 1: maybe get you part of the way there. But it

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00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: we're talking ultimately with Tiger as a once in a

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Speaker 1: generation kind of thing, once in a lifetime kind of thing.

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00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: To find any reasonable fact simile in college football really tough.

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Speaker 1: You're really straining to try and find a situation that

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Speaker 1: that rises to that level.

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Speaker 3: Okay, here's my final situation. We have an Instagram influencer

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Speaker 3: who also happens to be a five star quarterback coming

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Speaker 3: out of high school. Okay, so the levels of fame

1130
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Speaker 3: are off the charts. I couldn't name for you a

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00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 3: sixteen year old teen influencer. But let's say you have

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Speaker 3: somebody going into college with millions of adoring followers kind

1133
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 3: of thing, right, Sure, so there's some kind of charm

1134
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 3: in charisma and personality baked into this person who also

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00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 3: happens to have five star athletic ability. He goes on

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Speaker 3: to play quarterback at USC, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Texas,

1137
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 3: you name it, whatever, some blue blood and he just

1138
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Speaker 3: kills it. He is incredible. He throws forty one touchdowns

1139
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 3: to three interceptions. He throws for four thousand yards, he

1140
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 3: runs for eight hundred like he is just the most unanimous,

1141
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 3: crazy Heisman runaway that we've seen in the recent era.

1142
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 3: Like there, and there's just so much too. You know,

1143
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 3: he's volunteering overseas, he's winning college Jeopardy. They're just like,

1144
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 3: what can't he do? Okay, Okay, are you with me? Yeah?

1145
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 3: This is this is I mean, it's far fetched, but

1146
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 3: it's you know, within one version of Earth, then possible.

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Speaker 2: And then he has a fake girlfriend or we go

1148
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Speaker 2: in Manti.

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Speaker 3: That's what I was going to say, That's what I

1150
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 3: was going to go with. I was go, go go. There's something

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01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 3: dark and weird and maybe he is like maybe it's

1152
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 3: as far as like he has a famous girlfriend that's

1153
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 3: also beloved. Okay, So he's dating fellow influence or why okay,

1154
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 3: and she is beloved and he is cheating on her

1155
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 3: with somebody he's just being catfished by. Like it's just

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01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 3: a very strange dynamic.

1157
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Speaker 1: And maybe his girlfriend's mother paid exorbitant sums for her

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Speaker 1: to get into USC.

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Speaker 3: Sure it's Lori Laughlin's daughter.

1160
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 2: Okay, this is getting a very weird.

1161
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 3: It's getting very weird ripped out of the headlines. But

1162
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,439
Speaker 3: so there's a weird situation. He gets in a car

1163
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 3: crash running away from his real girlfriend to his fake

1164
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 3: girlfriend who doesn't exist, and it's just very strange. And

1165
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Speaker 3: so he's out for a year because of said car crash.

1166
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 3: He breaks his leg and it's a thousand different pieces

1167
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 3: and he has rebuilt, like the six million dollar man

1168
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 3: has bolts everywhere in his leg and not only does

1169
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Speaker 3: he come back, but he decides, you know what, Ohio

1170
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 3: State or Texas or USC whatever, too big of a

1171
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 3: fishbowl for me, okay, And he decides to transfer to gosh,

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Speaker 3: what is the most likable like FC not FCS, but

1173
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Speaker 3: the most likable group of five school he goes to, like,

1174
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 3: I don't know, Temple, Temple. No, it's northeast, it's not college.

1175
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 3: It won't get the attention of college football in the

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01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 3: same way a place in say he goes to Troy,

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Speaker 3: he goes to South Florida, he goes to Houston, he

1178
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Speaker 3: goes North Dakota State. No, that's FCS. I'm saying, group

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Speaker 3: of five.

1180
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Speaker 2: Oh, group of five? Okay?

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Speaker 3: He and so he leads an underdog. Nobody believes in us,

1182
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 3: nobody wants to put us in the playoff. But that year,

1183
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 3: oh okay, I got you. That year they make it

1184
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 3: to the playoff. Because this superstar, influencer, five star blue

1185
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 3: chip quarterback with a fake girlfriend decides he doesn't want

1186
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 3: the fish bowl life in one of those places. He

1187
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Speaker 3: is going to lead North Texas, which is my now,

1188
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 3: perfect school for this because it's in Texas, so you

1189
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 3: have the attention of the college football world. He leads

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Speaker 3: the Mean Green to the playoff and they beat Alabama

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Speaker 3: in the National Championship Game. I think we start approaching

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Speaker 3: that level.

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Speaker 2: We start approaching it, but it's still not even close.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy.

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01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 2: It's still not all close. Man.

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01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: There's not enough, not enough of a track record there.

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01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: You could never get that kind of track record in

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01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: college football if you're a player and not a coach.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, his parents are both veterans. He is a man.

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01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 3: I'm really trying to add as much as I possibly

1201
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 3: can to this Sunday, as many on top as possible.

1202
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 2: You can't get there. You can't get there.

1203
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 3: I'm trying to His dad is the rock, he is

1204
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:37,479
Speaker 3: the pebble. I don't You're right, you're totally We can't

1205
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 3: get there. But that's as close as you can get,

1206
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 3: isn't it.

1207
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 2: That's about as close as you can get.

1208
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:46,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, Victimless has to sit out a year to sort

1209
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 3: of regroup and recuperate. Man. I don't know how you

1210
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 3: get more likable and more in terms of eyeballs on

1211
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 3: you in a positive way, have that ugly fall and

1212
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 3: come back, you know, with your tail between your legs

1213
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 3: and topple a giant.

1214
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 2: I don't, Yeah, I don't know. I don't. I don't

1215
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 2: know if it's possible in college football?

1216
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 3: Can I give you one more quarterback name? Jeff Godfree?

1217
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 3: You see you and the solid wife Kate are the

1218
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Speaker 3: Jeff Godfree.

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01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: Oh god, I'm gonna stick with kind of tricket as

1220
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: the cut line?

1221
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Speaker 3: All right? Was Jeff Godfrey the one who beat Florida State?

1222
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 2: I don't remember?

1223
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 3: Okay.

1224
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: One final thought here from your boy Mario crystoball weather

1225
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: update for the spring game. He posted this forty five

1226
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: minutes ago, clear skies, one chance of physicality and explosiveness

1227
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Speaker 1: hashtag go.

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Speaker 3: Ducks, hashtag go Ducks. Well, I just looked up Jeff

1229
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Speaker 3: Godfrey and it's a mugshot, so maybe okay.

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Speaker 1: Well, on that note, thank you to everyone out there

1231
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: who listen to this show. Don't forget our website soliverbal

1232
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 1: dot com. Our email is soliverble at gmail dot com.

1233
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: If you've got anything you'd like to get off your chest.

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01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: You can also find us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, all

1235
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: the social media hotspots, as well as Reddit. We've got

1236
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: a budding community of rebellers out there who chat up

1237
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: all of our shows at reddit dot com slash our

1238
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: slash solid Verbal don't forget. Also on our website you

1239
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 1: can sign up for our newsletter we send out our

1240
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: biggest announcements there.

1241
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 2: At some point over the next.

1242
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: Few months, I'm assuming we're gonna do another T shirt sale,

1243
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: get those out there for folks who might be interested.

1244
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: Started getting more and more requests for our T shirts,

1245
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: So stay tuned for that new summer shirt.

1246
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 2: Yep, new summer shirt. Sure.

1247
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: So We've got a bunch of stuff going down. Dan's

1248
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: got a podcast. At some point we'll start talking live

1249
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: shows for the coming college football preseason. So a lot

1250
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: of stuff yet to be said here in the infancy

1251
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: of this college football off season.

1252
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 2: Next week is the Draft.

1253
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 3: It is.

1254
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: As I said earlier, we're not going to do the

1255
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: draft preview show because it puts our It puts our

1256
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: draft buddies in a weird spot. They've got to try

1257
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 1: and predict things. Nobody likes predicting things because predictions are

1258
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: always wrong. So this time, for the first time ever,

1259
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: in eleven or twelve, however many years we've been doing

1260
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: this show, we're going to do a draft retrospective, looking

1261
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: back at some of our favorite college stars, how they

1262
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: fit in with their new pro teams, so on and

1263
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: so forth. We will be back next Wednesday have another

1264
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: show for you, but we're not going to be talking

1265
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Speaker 1: about the draft until afterwards.

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Speaker 3: For those may I shamelessly promote something even further becase

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Speaker 3: the worst just because you mentioned the draft, and just

1268
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 3: because I don't know if we'll be doing a show

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01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 3: before then. I will be co hosting Sports Illustrated's live

1270
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 3: NFL Draft show with a number of people, and one

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01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 3: of those persons is Andy Staples. Oh excellent, So our

1272
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 3: dear friend Andy Staples and myself hopefully your dear friend

1273
01:06:56,600 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 3: will be talking about guys being drafted as they're being

1274
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 3: drafted in their college context, so like, oh, well, here's

1275
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 3: a fun fact about Kyler Murray and texts A and

1276
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 3: m ended real poorly. And we'll also be cooking food

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Speaker 3: because that's also what we like to do. So I

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01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 3: can't tell you the exact address because I don't know

1279
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 3: it to where to go to watch it, but you know,

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01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 3: if you're not following SI now on Twitter, that would

1281
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 3: be a good place to start, because we'll be streaming

1282
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 3: all through the first round of the draft and having

1283
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 3: fun with all sorts of people and food and it'll

1284
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 3: be very catchual.

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Speaker 2: You're George Foreman.

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01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: Grills excellent, Oh excellent, excellent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Dan, that's all fun.

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01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: As always, I will talk to you again in a week.

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01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: Enjoy the rest of your time in Chicago, Land, and

1290
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: safe travels back to New York.

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Speaker 2: I guess the next time I talk to you'll be

1292
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Speaker 2: back in New York.

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01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 1: This is true boy, that guy over there, Dan Rubinstein

1294
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 1: for myself, Ty Hilton Brand over here. Thanks again for

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Speaker 1: tuning into the show, and enjoy the rest of your week,

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Speaker 1: all of your weekend, and in the meantime until we

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Speaker 1: catch you next time.

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Speaker 2: Stay solid, peace,