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Speaker 3: Tell me about it? Take it time now, I take
Speaker 3: a time.
Speaker 2: Obviously I went through this.
Speaker 1: I experienced this fourteen years ago in twenty eleven, and
Speaker 1: it was a great It was unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I mean it was a great honor. But this one
Speaker 2: topped it.
Speaker 1: This one topped it because of the significance of it.
Speaker 1: What my brother meant to me and O chow to
Speaker 1: be in that Nichki luncheon on Friday, and here Rod Woodson,
Speaker 1: and here are Nils Williams, and here Darryl Green and
Speaker 1: some of the defensive players be it Richard Dan and
Speaker 1: Johnny Randall say, man, this was long overdue for your
Speaker 1: brother to hear. To hear them say that, because they're
Speaker 1: to I already knew it. You appreciate it. The choir,
Speaker 1: I sing up here every Sunday. So you know, I
Speaker 1: ain't new to the car, I ain't in the I
Speaker 1: ain't new to the congregation. I'm here, I'm backing you
Speaker 1: up every week. So I know what he is. I
Speaker 1: know what he was, and to to to see him
Speaker 1: finally get that recognition and to my mom, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: there'll be other moms that have sons in the Pro
Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame, but they won't be first to
Speaker 1: have my sister and my coach who coach both of us, coach,
Speaker 1: my entire family, my kids there, my sister in law
Speaker 1: and my niece, uh Susan in summer there to to
Speaker 1: to witness that and too experience that old Joe man
Speaker 1: Man o Joe Man. I can't. It's it's hard for
Speaker 1: me to describe Ojo. And and I knew I would
Speaker 1: be emotional, even though I had already you know, I
Speaker 1: was his presenter, and I had already done my part
Speaker 1: via a video. So I had did that a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks before, and so I thought. But the more
Speaker 1: he talked, the more he talked, and when he says,
Speaker 1: I only have a couple of minutes left, but the
Speaker 1: last couple.
Speaker 2: Of minutes I want, I want, I want you you
Speaker 2: gotta come up here.
Speaker 1: And when he called and when he called me to
Speaker 1: the stage, and I had no idea what he was
Speaker 1: gonna say. He you know, he didn't write anything down.
Speaker 1: He was the only one that didn't have notes. He
Speaker 1: didn't have anything. He said, I'm just gonna speak from
Speaker 1: the heart. That's how you know, That's pretty much how
Speaker 1: he does all the speaking. And to hear him that
Speaker 1: everything he did was for an audience one.
Speaker 2: He didn't care what you wrote about him.
Speaker 1: He didn't care what you said about him. None of
Speaker 1: that mattered because the only person that he wanted to
Speaker 1: impress was me. Everything that he did was because of me.
Speaker 1: And to hear him says, you know, you know, you
Speaker 1: can't leave without without without following.
Speaker 2: And to hear.
Speaker 1: Him because it's almost like, I'm like, it's replaying the
Speaker 1: very the very words and how I felt about him,
Speaker 1: how I feel about him, and to hear him say
Speaker 1: that and to know the relationship that he and I have,
Speaker 1: and I think people got an opportunity to see that
Speaker 1: on full display, even on Friday night at the Gold
Speaker 1: Jacket presentation. When you know you walked gauntlet, you go
Speaker 1: through all the Hall of Famers, and we had.
Speaker 2: Almost a record shoe.
Speaker 1: We had one hundred and eleven members back that I
Speaker 1: mind you of three hundred and eighty two. My brother
Speaker 1: is the three hundred and eighty second member of the
Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame. And if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: I think there are one hundred and eighty one living members,
Speaker 1: So that means they're over. They're two hundred, two hundred
Speaker 1: and one that are no longer with us. Talking to
Speaker 1: Bobby Bell this morning getting on the plane, he's one fifteen.
Speaker 1: There's only six with a lord number than him that's
Speaker 1: still remaining. So and then you know, you know, seeing
Speaker 1: all that, but to be there and to experience it,
Speaker 1: oh ho. My brother's really not an emotional guy. Like
Speaker 1: I said, I think I've only a handful of times.
Speaker 1: And like you said, when Papa died, he didn't cry.
Speaker 1: When when when Daddy died, he didn't cry. When Granny passed,
Speaker 1: he didn't cry. But to be in this press and
Speaker 1: to know what this moment meant to him, my brother
Speaker 1: don't let a whole lot of things bothering and and
Speaker 1: and and but to be around him, oh Joe, because
Speaker 1: I know him better than anybody. I know him better
Speaker 1: than anybody. I know what this moment meant to him.
Speaker 1: I know what he felt. I I my supposter to say, hell,
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna pick you up off the
Speaker 1: floor at the Gold Jacket ceremony. I said, yeah, and
Speaker 1: throw his back out in the process. But oh Joe,
Speaker 1: man to see to see how he was walking around,
Speaker 1: and to see the love and the kudos that he
Speaker 1: was getting from those other Gold Jacket wears and the
Speaker 1: members and at his party, and and to have the
Speaker 1: bust and to have his family. Because we don't get
Speaker 1: we don't like I said, Oh Joe, we don't get
Speaker 1: together much. And and and I said we, bro, we
Speaker 1: got to do a better job of that. I say, look,
Speaker 1: when you really cut it down to I said us,
Speaker 1: it's me, you, Mama, and Libby, my kids and you
Speaker 1: know Susan.
Speaker 2: And someone said we got to do a better job. Bro,
Speaker 2: we gotta do a better job.
Speaker 1: I said, you know, theoretically, mom could not still outlive
Speaker 1: us along. But come on, we can do a better
Speaker 1: job than what we've been doing. But Ojo, that was
Speaker 1: that was the crown of the chiefs. There ain't nothing topping.
Speaker 1: That ain't nothing topping that o Joe, Because there there,
Speaker 1: there's there's If you play a sport, to go into
Speaker 1: your sports heaven and that's what the hall of fame is,
Speaker 1: be it baseball, basketball, soccer, tennis, swimming, rock and roll
Speaker 1: hall of fame. If you go into your professions, Evan,
Speaker 1: that's what the hall of fame is you when you
Speaker 1: get there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, now that's it.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: And man, I cried, I've been up all night the
Speaker 1: the love and the respect that was shown to my brother.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I already listened you boy, I already know. I
Speaker 3: already know they got they got to post.
Speaker 2: Jordan up posted so much stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm like with Damn, I'm looking at my feet and
Speaker 1: I'm like, did you posted in the middle of the night,
Speaker 1: Because every every time collab, collab, post, post post.
Speaker 3: Somebody sent me something. They didn't have your information. You said,
Speaker 3: photo gathered.
Speaker 2: I sent you, uh you something?
Speaker 3: No, this was a few days ago, remember, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: yet yeah, your information. Shoot, they sent me the whole
Speaker 3: photo gallery.
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's it's that moment, bro, and you know,
Speaker 1: riding in the parade and everybody because it was the Packers.
Speaker 1: The Packers traveled really well and to see some of
Speaker 1: its teammates. Because I don't know if you noticed Oo
Speaker 1: when he sided down with me, I didn't know this
Speaker 1: at the time.
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't know. He never shared this then.
Speaker 1: So what he said on the pod with the first
Speaker 1: time that when he had his next surgery, no one
Speaker 1: called him.
Speaker 2: Not a teammate, not a coach, not a front office.
Speaker 1: We call hell getting him to accept them doing this party,
Speaker 1: I said, because what I told him, I said, now
Speaker 1: you have to understand the people that's in place now weren't.
Speaker 2: In place then. I said.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm not saying that your anger isn't warranted, I said,
Speaker 1: but in this situation, it's misplaced.
Speaker 2: The people that you should be upset with.
Speaker 1: They were there. And I didn't know, Like I said,
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: I did. Oh cho the man, there is a chance
Speaker 2: that he could have been paralyzed from neck down. He
Speaker 2: could have been a quadripletion.
Speaker 1: Now, mind you, his last season he still has tied
Speaker 1: for the third most receiving touchdowns in a single season,
Speaker 1: and he never played another season. So he goes under
Speaker 1: the knife and not no, not just imagine, O Joe,
Speaker 1: you go through a surgery that you could be paralyzed
Speaker 1: or worse. The owner, a coach, a teammate, not even TJ,
Speaker 1: not Carson, not the general manager, not your head coach,
Speaker 1: not even you Jack.
Speaker 2: No one calls you and checks on you.
Speaker 3: Listen. That is that That tells you all you need
Speaker 3: to all you need to know, though you hear me,
Speaker 3: So think about the people you just name, Think about
Speaker 3: the people you just name. Nothing is even wrong with
Speaker 3: me and everybody you just name I've talked to at
Speaker 3: least three three times a month now I have. I
Speaker 3: am of no value to Marvin Lewis, Lord, I'm of
Speaker 3: no value to Hugh Jackson anymore. Hell TJ, me and
Speaker 3: TJ we in the group chat with about twenty bangals.
Speaker 3: So that's that's a constant, a constant, uh you know,
Speaker 3: form of communication. But that that would hurt so bad
Speaker 3: it did the people that I went to war within,
Speaker 3: the people that I'm playing for not giving me a
Speaker 3: call with the extent of my injury, with a chance
Speaker 3: I could be paralyzed and I can't play ball the more.
Speaker 3: And nobody reached out. Not a flower, not a motherfucking card,
Speaker 3: I'm not Dan, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: But so I think that that that bothered him the most.
Speaker 1: And uh he still I was like, bro, you know,
Speaker 1: and and he's finally like like letting it go because
Speaker 1: my brother, you know, he you know, he's he don't
Speaker 1: hit you over the head with it. But carres this Bible.
Speaker 1: He goes to church, he reads the scripture. So he's
Speaker 1: and so he's learned, oh shoe that I've got to
Speaker 1: let this go. He says, I can't be what I'm
Speaker 1: proclaiming to be if I still have this in my heart.
Speaker 1: And so, but it was it was tough for him.
Speaker 1: I'm number I remember to sixty seven. He's remember three
Speaker 1: eighty two. I think they said, over thirty thousand men
Speaker 1: have played this game, coach this game, own the team,
Speaker 1: been a general manager. Thirty thousand, three hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: two men have a gold jacket. They said, over three hundred,
Speaker 1: three hundred million men have played the game of football.
Speaker 1: They just sin again on yoe three hundred million. So
Speaker 1: my mom, my mom was like, I got two boys,
Speaker 1: tell me about I probably need to scan. I might
Speaker 1: have another son out there somewhere. I say, you don't,
Speaker 1: you don't you ain't got another son, you ain't got
Speaker 1: another daughter. I promise you. This is all this is
Speaker 1: all you got is out. You got what you got, daddy.
Speaker 1: A you told daddy shop was closed after me. You say, hey,
Speaker 1: when they ask you, they say, Papa asked her, say well, Alice,
Speaker 1: what you want, daddy. I don't give a damage as
Speaker 1: a lizard. I'm done. So you got what you got, Mama.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: But she was happy with my father. My coach, Coach Hall,
Speaker 1: like I said, you know, he was there, coached all
Speaker 1: my uncles. My uncle started started started graduating high school
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty six, nineteen sixty six, I graduated eighty six.
Speaker 1: He talked for fifty years and having him there. But oh, Joe,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this, I know you
Speaker 1: couldn't pick it up. But at the gold jacket ceremony,
Speaker 1: what they did they started doing, I don't know when
Speaker 1: they started it.
Speaker 2: This was my first time back since twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: Is that obviously you walk the gauntlet, you know, so
Speaker 1: you have four guys to walk this way, two guys
Speaker 1: walk that way, and you got all the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fames and they give it a congratulations, welcome to the paternity,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the brotherhood. Then you get up on stage
Speaker 1: and then I was really the only presenter that was
Speaker 1: actually there. Dean Spanos who presented. No, his dad, his
Speaker 1: dad was, Yeah, his dad was there. I think his
Speaker 1: dad was there. Jared Allen's dad was there. Put the
Speaker 1: code on him, Marcus put the code on Eric Allen
Speaker 1: and then Lt. Laedane and Thomas and put it on
Speaker 1: Gates Antonio Gates. But anyway, and so you know, they
Speaker 1: come up, they bring your family out, they bring let
Speaker 1: your kid, your wife come up, your kid, come up,
Speaker 1: your mom, block X, Y and Z. So Jared Allen family,
Speaker 1: Jared Allen families comes up there and everybody. He's excited.
Speaker 1: You know, it's why if it's excited. The girls come
Speaker 1: running to him. I think one of the one of
Speaker 1: his daughters had on cowboy boots, so the cowboy. But anyway,
Speaker 1: you know we got a signature, his signature move, oh Joe.
Speaker 2: You know what they do. He calf rope.
Speaker 1: He goes out on one knee and hit the cap
Speaker 1: tied up and he go down on one knee, calf
Speaker 1: with that thing. They just pants. So where I am,
Speaker 1: I can see I was like I think he ripped
Speaker 1: that pants from the back of the knee all the
Speaker 1: way up to the top of his bill. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: now they got to rush over again. They got to
Speaker 1: rush over because the hotel is really close by, but
Speaker 1: he was staying. They got to rush over, get a
Speaker 1: police he's court, and get him a pair of pants,
Speaker 1: because you know.
Speaker 3: That's funny, that's funny.
Speaker 1: But uh, there there's a clip out there and I
Speaker 1: know we didn't get a chance to vet it, and
Speaker 1: uh we don't know who it belongs to, but there's
Speaker 1: a clip out there and you can seeing he grabbed
Speaker 1: the back and he grabbed.
Speaker 2: At first I thought he had tweets. I said, damn,
Speaker 2: you tweet your hamstring. You don't do no, you know.
Speaker 1: But then as he started to move, I was like, nah, bro,
Speaker 1: you ripped, you ripped him, And he really did. But
Speaker 1: it was great this, like I said, I know Gates
Speaker 1: gainst my guys like a little brother to me. And
Speaker 1: to see played against Eric Allen, I played against E
Speaker 1: A and and in Philly and when he was at
Speaker 1: the Raiders because he was chasing me in the m
Speaker 1: zone and uh who else Jared Allen? Jared retired. He
Speaker 1: came to Kansas City the year I retired, and uh
Speaker 1: a Gates, that was it?
Speaker 2: Now? Who else?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, obviously played against my brother twice, but oh oh, Joey,
Speaker 1: it was. It was unbelievable. They're doing so much, they're
Speaker 1: they're building it up now, they're trying to do more
Speaker 1: for the players that are in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: But it's a it's an unbelievable it's an unbelievable experience.
Speaker 3: And uh who that's dope, that's yeah.
Speaker 1: God, I don't know what I did to do deserve
Speaker 1: all this, what you've done for my family, but I
Speaker 1: appreciate it.
Speaker 2: But we've got a big story, the biggest story.
Speaker 3: Hold on, I need a chapstick, hold on, Hold.
Speaker 2: Ahead, go ahead, h yeah, man y oh, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of verbiage. Uh huh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go probably it's gonna take us a couple of
Speaker 1: minutes to get through all this verbage. I'm gonna start
Speaker 1: to read as a Oho and as Ocho is coming back,
Speaker 1: and this is uh Michael and Jerry I been going
Speaker 1: back and forth over the weekend. Michael posted a lengthy
Speaker 1: message on social media on Friday, concluding with a statement
Speaker 1: that he no longer wants to play for the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: Yes, I wanted to be there.
Speaker 1: I did everything I could to show that I wanted
Speaker 1: to be a Cowboy and with a star on my helmet,
Speaker 1: I wanted to play in front of the best fans
Speaker 1: in sports and make America's team prop Murray's team once again,
Speaker 1: the team my pops and I grew up cheering for
Speaker 1: well up in Harrisburg, PA. He is from Harrisburg, Ojo.
Speaker 1: You know, normally Harrisburg, normally that Steeler or Eagles country.
Speaker 1: A lot of people like the Steelers up in Harrisburg.
Speaker 1: But hey, if you know, if you're in Pennsylvania and
Speaker 1: you root for the Eagles, I mean, you got two teams.
Speaker 1: But if you root for the Eagles, I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: hold that against you. If you root for the Steelers,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hold that against you. But think about it.
Speaker 1: He in Steelers Eagle territory and he and his pops
Speaker 1: Cowboys fan. Unfortunately, I no longer want to be here.
Speaker 1: I no longer want to be held to a closed
Speaker 1: door negotiation without my agent present. I no longer want
Speaker 1: shots taken at me for getting injured while laying on
Speaker 1: the line for the organization, our fans, my teammates. I
Speaker 1: no longer want narratives created and spread to the media
Speaker 1: about me. I knew I would be leaving money on
Speaker 1: the table, but again I was okay with that. Again,
Speaker 1: Radio silis my extension. In March, I met with mister
Speaker 1: Jones to talk about leadership. Somehow the conversation turned into
Speaker 1: him talking about contract with me. Yes, I engaged back
Speaker 1: and forth in regards to what I wanted from my contract,
Speaker 1: but at no point that I believe this was supposed
Speaker 1: to be formal negotiation that I informed mister Jones. After
Speaker 1: my agent would reach out thinking get things done, I
Speaker 1: stayed quiet. But again, after repeated shots at myself and
Speaker 1: all these narratives, I made a tough decisions. I no
Speaker 1: longer want to play for the Cowboys. Myrick trade request
Speaker 1: has been submitted to Stephen Jones personally.
Speaker 2: Ojo take off, What do you take on me?
Speaker 3: I just, I just I don't understand. It's one thing
Speaker 3: for owners to think a certain way, uh to not
Speaker 3: really value the people that the players that laid all
Speaker 3: on the line for you. But you have a certain
Speaker 3: way of conducting yourself. You already have a history of
Speaker 3: things that are frowned upon when it comes to us anyway, way,
Speaker 3: way back. I don't I don't need to bring that up,
Speaker 3: but to continue to show us during the Kaepernick era
Speaker 3: time as well, the one owner that came out and said,
Speaker 3: all our players will be standing up, yeah, the whole
Speaker 3: of line if you play for my team, And just
Speaker 3: to see how he conducts business and the way he
Speaker 3: does Ben despite being the most profitable franchise of all sports. Well,
Speaker 3: the way he did CD, the way he did execute Elliott,
Speaker 3: the way he did dak Now, the way he's doing
Speaker 3: Michael Parsons this time, even going a little further cross
Speaker 3: the line and talking about him in a way like, well,
Speaker 3: even if we do pay him, he might not be
Speaker 3: available like he was last year. Any like you don't
Speaker 3: you don't, you don't say that miss six games, say
Speaker 3: stuff like that as the owner when he's busting his
Speaker 3: ass for you and your team. Obviously, do what his
Speaker 3: job is and what you pay him to do. Injuries
Speaker 3: are a part of a sport. But to hear your owner,
Speaker 3: the one who signed the check, to say it and
Speaker 3: to say how he really feels publicly to the world,
Speaker 3: that's the kind of stuff like it gets out, it
Speaker 3: slips out because somebody recorded it, somebody stuck a conversation.
Speaker 3: But he just like proudly you know how he feels
Speaker 3: about you. How could you want to line up and
Speaker 3: put that hat on? How could you want to wear
Speaker 3: that star outside of just doing it for the money.
Speaker 1: See, if we talk about oo, that's why I like
Speaker 1: to have somebody because he might would have told the
Speaker 1: agent that, but the agent never would have come back
Speaker 1: and told me why.
Speaker 3: You never want to be a part of where. You
Speaker 3: never want to be a part of negotiations because the
Speaker 3: real them comes out and the agent never discloses, because
Speaker 3: you will be upset. Everybody will be upset on how
Speaker 3: they feel about you, because when it comes to business,
Speaker 3: they are shrewd, right.
Speaker 2: This is what they do. This is not what you do.
Speaker 2: I don't have a problem.
Speaker 1: I think Bobby Wagner was one of the first ones
Speaker 1: that says, you know, I no longer have an agent.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna negotiate my own contract.
Speaker 1: I think Scharn does that. I think we saw Lamar
Speaker 1: and his mom negotiate their own contract. I don't have
Speaker 1: a problem with that. If he says I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: my own representative. I'm going to engage in these talks
Speaker 1: with whomever, be it Jerry Stephen or whomever is doing
Speaker 1: this contract negotiations.
Speaker 2: I'm cool with that. But if I tell you I
Speaker 2: have representation, don't try to isolate me back you.
Speaker 1: You know, buddy, buddy, buddy, That's why I have representation,
Speaker 1: because this is what they do. I'm giving him a
Speaker 1: percentage of the total contract because I want him to
Speaker 1: negotiate on my behalf.
Speaker 2: So that's why Jerry had him going all these places.
Speaker 1: Hey, Michael, come on, fly on the plane, because he's
Speaker 1: trying to Now, if Michael says, you know what, Jerry,
Speaker 1: You're right, I can do this on my own.
Speaker 2: And then that way I'm gonna have to give David
Speaker 2: his agent.
Speaker 1: I won't have to give him two three percent of
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be, whatever he charges, I just
Speaker 1: keep that for himself. But that's not what Michael said.
Speaker 1: Michael says, hey, I have an agent. He's like, I
Speaker 1: thought this was the start of the negotiation. Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: David Muguletta is looking forward to hearing from you. A
Speaker 1: tell them we had a great conversation. He'll take it
Speaker 1: from here. Jed thought they had a done deal.
Speaker 3: Michael, no, no, no, no. Hey. But but this is
Speaker 3: the part I understand. This goes for everybody also in
Speaker 3: the chat. You have certain players, you have special players
Speaker 3: that come along. I call them no brainers. I call
Speaker 3: them players that are no brainers when they come in,
Speaker 3: when they get drafted and you watch them play year
Speaker 3: to year, it's a no brainer when it's time to
Speaker 3: pay him. Michael Parsons is a no brainer. The Jamar
Speaker 3: Speceis are no brainers, justin Jefferson's are no brainers. Aman
Speaker 3: Ross Saint Brian. I'm just using receivers perspective. It was
Speaker 3: a no brainers. You know, there's no reason to play
Speaker 3: a game when it comes to a player of that magnitude,
Speaker 3: even if they're whatever the books may say like stuff
Speaker 3: like that. Well, we know what we have one player
Speaker 3: on defense. It's our superstar. The ball the balls should
Speaker 3: have been rolling on the season started another three weeks
Speaker 3: and what do we talk Why are we still talking
Speaker 3: about contract with the no brainer?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Because think about it what it cost the Binger.
Speaker 1: It cost them an extra six million dollars a year,
Speaker 1: or next to twenty four million dollars over four years.
Speaker 1: Because you waited a year, it probably cost you an
Speaker 1: extra thirty million dollars in guarantees because you waited the
Speaker 1: nextra year.
Speaker 2: So you have to pay a tax.
Speaker 1: You have to pay a penalty if you're late. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you a question. If you lay on your rent,
Speaker 1: you pay a penalty if you lay. If you got
Speaker 1: something at the court and you're late, if you owe
Speaker 1: Uncle Sam, there's a penalty for being late. If you
Speaker 1: negotiate my contract late, there is a penalty for said service. Now,
Speaker 1: with all that being said, you didn't have to say
Speaker 1: any of that.
Speaker 2: But Jerry just going to show you. See now, Jerry,
Speaker 2: he's got to let you know.
Speaker 1: Because it is reported that as the representative has been
Speaker 1: trying to reach out, Jerry ain't returned on campus.
Speaker 2: Absolutely the point.
Speaker 3: He's trying to prove, I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay. I'll pay you when I get ready,
Speaker 1: like you do me, like you. You basically told me.
Speaker 3: I ain't say that. I mean your action you baby,
Speaker 3: I'm not Jerry. I don't. I don't like that comparison.
Speaker 3: Don't do me like that.
Speaker 2: Don't. Yeah, you could we come up on a year.
Speaker 2: It's pennoty for b l A.
Speaker 3: I got you. I got one thing about it. I
Speaker 3: got you.
Speaker 1: I need see you got it. But I need to
Speaker 1: get you know A you know, light right now with Joe,
Speaker 1: I can light right now, this I can light.
Speaker 3: That's why I love you.
Speaker 2: That's why I love that.
Speaker 3: That's what I need. You come on, come on back home.
Speaker 3: So that's what I need you. Thank you, thank you,
Speaker 3: thank you. That's but let's go. We're gonna be all right.
Speaker 3: But we're gonna be all right. I'm telling you we're good.
Speaker 1: That Hey, Todd Trippers said we're gonna be all right,
Speaker 1: and and and Michael, Michael said, well you back in
Speaker 1: the corner. Hell, I don't even be here no more. Hey,
Speaker 1: if you think, I tell you what if you upset
Speaker 1: talking about I might not be here. I missed six
Speaker 1: game trade me yeah, see what the market is the trade.
Speaker 3: But hey, if if Jerry was to play, but obviously
Speaker 3: you know he's not gonna do that. Boy, you know,
Speaker 3: Michael could reset the market by what.
Speaker 2: Oh he gonna market away with me. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm I definitely believe and get forty five easy, I believe.
Speaker 2: I believe you get forty five.
Speaker 1: Whatever Miles get, whatever Miles Garrett gotten, guaranteed money I
Speaker 1: think he got, Miles got one twenty three, he's gonna
Speaker 1: want he got.
Speaker 3: But this is the only part I don't like is
Speaker 3: whatever team he goes to, it wouldn't be a contender.
Speaker 3: It'd be a team that has a lot of room,
Speaker 3: a lot of salary cap room, so they'll be able
Speaker 3: to pay him.
Speaker 2: That he was a trade for it. That's not the
Speaker 2: command of the trade Eagles.
Speaker 3: That's not fair. That's that's not fair. If he were
Speaker 3: to go to the Eagles and they gave up whatever
Speaker 3: compensation they would want for Michael Parsons, then you might
Speaker 3: as well hand him the God damn Lombardy. Now just
Speaker 3: just go ahead and give it to him.
Speaker 2: Well, you what Jared said, he worried about the missing time.
Speaker 2: He won't have to worry about it.
Speaker 1: He don't have to worry about paying him, and he
Speaker 1: ain't got to worry about him getting injured and missing
Speaker 1: time on his DME.
Speaker 2: So with that being saved. But like like like, and
Speaker 2: at some point in time, it's just like, bro, what
Speaker 2: are we doing here? I get it, I get it.
Speaker 1: You owned the team, you said, Hey, I'm in my
Speaker 1: fifth year. We could have done something after year four,
Speaker 1: I mean year three. We could have done something after
Speaker 1: year four. So now we're now we're into my the option.
Speaker 1: You picked up my fifth year player option. That's where
Speaker 1: we are right now. After four Pro Bowls, two to three,
Speaker 1: first twelve sacks, four years in a row.
Speaker 3: Come on, huh?
Speaker 2: Is that so? Is that what we're doing right now? Jared? Really, really,
Speaker 2: that's what we're doing.
Speaker 3: It couldn't listen. I can't say it couldn't be me
Speaker 3: because I'm just trying to Yes.
Speaker 2: Said, this is negotiating, no shoe, he said, we're negotiating now.
Speaker 3: But it's a shrewd business. It's a shrewd business. And
Speaker 3: the fact that he let his feelings out publicly like that,
Speaker 3: it is all you need to know.
Speaker 2: It's all I understand.
Speaker 1: I think you and I look, we've played sports and
Speaker 1: we've been in the negotiating. When negotiation gets me personal,
Speaker 1: you gotta be careful, O Joe. You gotta be careful
Speaker 1: in any type of negotiation, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: If it starts to get personal, one side will start
Speaker 1: to build up a resentment towards the other side. But
Speaker 1: and then even when he gets the money, they still
Speaker 1: feel a certain way, and then the other person that
Speaker 1: gave you the money still feels a certain.
Speaker 3: Regardless. For us as the player, we're never in a
Speaker 3: position of leverage. We're are of power.
Speaker 1: But what it unless you unless, unless you're like you
Speaker 1: know what you turn out to be, You're like, damn,
Speaker 1: I'm all, I'm rookie, rookie of the year, I'm all pro,
Speaker 1: and I really just sit on my money and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm willing to say, Okay, y'all playing. I see y'all
Speaker 1: week eight so I can get that. I'll see y'all
Speaker 1: week eight so I get that best a year, Come in,
Speaker 1: give me another quick eight sacks.
Speaker 2: Now what you'all gonna do? Y'all play, y'all play, I play.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But see, that's the thing. If you didn't have to
Speaker 1: see Jerry Nosey had leverage. He have a fifth your
Speaker 1: player option which is this year, and he has two
Speaker 1: franchiseess So just imagine, just imagine if see d You
Speaker 1: see what Dak wrote in his contracts, no franchise tags,
Speaker 1: but he no franchise can do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, put that in there.
Speaker 1: But hey, now you can't franchise me because that's the
Speaker 1: leverage that they got because I got I got theoretically, Mike,
Speaker 1: I got you for this year and two more.
Speaker 3: Dang, that's a it's it's unbelievable game. The game that
Speaker 3: they play. You already know how they feel right, how
Speaker 3: they feel about you. You know. It's one thing that
Speaker 3: they say, and I hate to bring it up, is
Speaker 3: the first thing when you when you compare the NFL
Speaker 3: to a certain term they want to use the first people.
Speaker 3: The first thing people bring up, well, you get paid millions.
Speaker 3: But it's modern day you know what, but you get
Speaker 3: paid millions, you know. But that's that's need to hear
Speaker 3: no there, but just to hear Jerry say it. Just
Speaker 3: the fact that he uttered the words with confidence. Here
Speaker 3: in the world, how about your star player? And then
Speaker 3: he took a shot of dad, what what are we?
Speaker 3: What are we doing?
Speaker 1: Well, look, Dak realized he is the quarterback. Dak is
Speaker 1: the leader of the team. Yes, but he and Jerry
Speaker 1: it's not like see, Jerry had a relationship with Tony Romo.
Speaker 1: That's Dak is always housing post Jerry because it was
Speaker 1: Jerry that wanted to give.
Speaker 2: Tony Romo a job back that wasn't happen. Oh he got,
Speaker 2: He kind of got, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Steven and I think Jason Garrett and a few
Speaker 1: others like Jerry, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: What do you what? What are you?
Speaker 1: Are you serious? Even after all those injuries that that
Speaker 1: uh uh uh Tony Romo he paid him. He mentioned
Speaker 1: nothing about no injury. He mentioned nothing about that. And
Speaker 1: at one point time Tony Romo was a high play
Speaker 1: play in the.
Speaker 2: NFL day.
Speaker 3: When I blink it funny thing about.
Speaker 1: Jerry also spoke with the reporters about Michael trey requests.
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what Jerry had to say.
Speaker 2: See see.
Speaker 1: Man. He said something very interesting, Joe. He says, Michael's
Speaker 1: under contract. But what about when players are in the
Speaker 1: contract and they get cut.
Speaker 3: You know, they don't care, don't.
Speaker 2: You see out one side? You thought, Oh, we have contract,
Speaker 2: we have rules, but the rules are one sided.
Speaker 1: If I outperform the contract, want a new contract, you say,
Speaker 1: whoa whoa you on the contract. If I underperformed the
Speaker 1: contract that I signed, you said, you gotta go.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 1: This is what this is what players should be. This
Speaker 1: is why they fight so hard to try to get
Speaker 1: guaranteed money. This is what you should be instead of
Speaker 1: petty privileges, instead of worrying about two of days and
Speaker 1: worry about how many padded practice you have during the course.
Speaker 2: Of the year.
Speaker 1: These are the things that true leadership in the NFL PA,
Speaker 1: this is what you should be fighting for.
Speaker 2: I'm getting rid of the trade. No, we're not doing
Speaker 2: a franchise tag.
Speaker 1: Look if I if I, if I'm at a normal
Speaker 1: job and I want to my contract is coming up.
Speaker 2: They can't say, well, we're gonna franchise you.
Speaker 1: And if I work for Google, that means I can't
Speaker 1: go talk to Apple or I can't go talk to Microsoft. No,
Speaker 1: free agency. How can you be free? If you can't,
Speaker 1: you you under tag. They gotta tag on you. Free
Speaker 1: agency means I'm free to negotiate wherever. Oh, and they
Speaker 1: can't be a cap because whatever the market would bear.
Speaker 1: I just saw a.
Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg.
Speaker 1: Just pay a guy A I got two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty million, gave a one hundred million up front. That's
Speaker 1: what free agency is. All I'm saying against and we're
Speaker 1: gonna give it. I just hope the next person in
Speaker 1: the NFL THEA. This is some of this is some
Speaker 1: of the themes. Health benefits, no SAP, no uh franchise tag,
Speaker 1: no friend franchise contracts. Yeah, man, because you can't, oh Joe,
Speaker 1: you can't have it both ways. You can negotiate with
Speaker 1: me when you want to, but you can also cut
Speaker 1: me when you want to. So if I performed the contract,
Speaker 1: you say you got a contract. I underperformed the contract.
Speaker 1: You didn't perform up to the standard, and so now
Speaker 1: you go.
Speaker 3: You got to be careful. They need somebody, all right.
Speaker 3: I know you think you view me, you view me
Speaker 3: as a fun to love, the entertainment that the jokes
Speaker 3: in the last. But they need somebody shrew that could
Speaker 3: be shrewed right back. When it come to conducting business,
Speaker 3: you got to be someone that's fighting for the players,
Speaker 3: not minimizing the players and pretending like I'm for you,
Speaker 3: but really siding on the other end.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Man, Listen, you know how we the NFL owners, don't
Speaker 3: want to lose the leverage. Baseball players have the leverage. Basketball,
Speaker 3: the players have the leverage. All sports where contracts are guaranteed,
Speaker 3: the players have the leverage. I think because so many
Speaker 3: players on the team, NFL owners don't want to lose
Speaker 3: a leverage of the players.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I'm blad. Guess what?
Speaker 1: And I don't know when this back And I ain't
Speaker 1: putting no Ben Gay on it either, So I don't
Speaker 1: know when this back issue because it players up every
Speaker 1: time I go to putting that that help and all
Speaker 1: my back start.
Speaker 3: Every time he could play, he could play horrorball, he
Speaker 3: could play horriball. But listen, with with with owners, GMS,
Speaker 3: everyone that sits in a position of power on the
Speaker 3: NFL team, What they will use against you is they
Speaker 3: know you're probably fold before I do. Because you love
Speaker 3: the game, the game, you love the game, banking on it,
Speaker 3: You're gonna fold before they do. So you you got
Speaker 3: you got to play hardball. How hard do you want
Speaker 3: to play the game? Because they gonna play with you,
Speaker 3: They're gonna test you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh you see how agitated he got. I negotiated
Speaker 2: to Mark.
Speaker 3: Now I answer the question already.
Speaker 1: No, Michael said he thought you were talking about leadership.
Speaker 1: He referred you to his agent. You asking me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're asking you, But we talked to Michael too.
Speaker 3: Listen, can you imagine a chat? I don't. I don't
Speaker 3: mean I'm not. I'm not into really into hypotheticals, because
Speaker 3: you imagine if Jeffy Lewie and Howie Roseman ran the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine if they were the one in chargeable.
Speaker 1: With the talent that they had, because they drafted like
Speaker 1: the second They've drafted like the second most since what
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen?
Speaker 2: Maybe the second they might be first with the Chiefs
Speaker 2: as far.
Speaker 1: As a Pro Bowl players, imagine because how many times
Speaker 1: they've been the number one seed and got bounced in
Speaker 1: the first route or the second round with that talent
Speaker 1: and hold on when they had the best running back
Speaker 1: in football z L, the best offensive line in football,
Speaker 1: and they when they were taken, when they were putting eight, nine,
Speaker 1: ten guys into the Pro Bowl, when they had when
Speaker 1: they had when they had those teams with Romo and
Speaker 1: Witten and t O and they had the Marcus where
Speaker 1: and they had all those guys.
Speaker 3: Boy were nice, but they were loaded with they were loaded.
Speaker 3: But I think I'm not sure why Jerry can't can
Speaker 3: can't get it or can't see it.
Speaker 2: Jay One's credit.
Speaker 3: You look at the Patriots, Look at all the teams
Speaker 3: that is successful every season every season. The Patriots when
Speaker 3: they their dynasty and the good years you had Belichick,
Speaker 3: you had Tom Brady. Forget that part.
Speaker 1: Where did it start, mister gram And the only time
Speaker 1: you heard from mister Craff is when he was taking
Speaker 1: the trophy out of Rode.
Speaker 3: Everything starts at the top, winning starts in the front,
Speaker 3: and it trickles all the way.
Speaker 2: Down, right. But Jerry wants it to be about him.
Speaker 2: That's why.
Speaker 1: That's why people like, oh, Tom Brady should go to
Speaker 1: the Tom Brady should go to the Cowboys. Boy you,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, sayd Jerry, I'll play for you for a
Speaker 1: million dollars, and Jerry would have told him, hell no,
Speaker 1: because Jerry would never be bigger than Tom. And Jerry
Speaker 1: don't want nobody to be on the Cowboys to be
Speaker 1: bigger than him, So that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I don't get why he's doing it like this, but look,
Speaker 1: they go, I guess this is there. You know how
Speaker 1: you have a negotiation in the media and it should
Speaker 1: be negotiated behind closed doors. Oh well, x y Z,
Speaker 1: we negotiated, we had, we had a deal done. Michael said, well, hey,
Speaker 1: I want to Hey, I don't even want to play
Speaker 1: for y'all.
Speaker 2: No more. Let me let me go, Hey, let me go, continue.
Speaker 3: To do this on purpose, because it does what it
Speaker 3: keeps whose team in the head.
Speaker 1: In the media we're talking about yeah, because ain't nobody
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, the only other team that we
Speaker 1: talked about me is Cleveland and should do it? We
Speaker 1: really if you really think about it, though, Shoe, we
Speaker 1: ain't really having a discussion about No. No, you know,
Speaker 1: we talked here and there about you know, the broad
Speaker 1: mask between Aaron Rodgers and Mike Tomlin. I was just
Speaker 1: reading a little bit about Matthew Stafford got something going
Speaker 1: on over his back or something. But for the most part, o, Shoe,
Speaker 1: it's the Cowboys, the Michael, Jerry and you got your
Speaker 1: door pretty. It's it's been a really a relative quyat
Speaker 1: training camp cycle and you know, Jared like, hey, let
Speaker 1: me let me let me start some ish, like hey,
Speaker 1: popping out for us right now, let me start some
Speaker 1: ish and uh and to see where this thing go.
Speaker 3: The funny thing about it, but I don't like is Michael.
Speaker 3: I feel bad for Michael. I feel bad for the Cowboys,
Speaker 3: the fans. I feel bad for the players because to
Speaker 3: know that this is how your owner thinks of you.
Speaker 3: If you can talk about your star players like that,
Speaker 3: you know what he thinks about you. And Jerry is
Speaker 3: is is at a forefront and letting people know nobody
Speaker 3: run the show with me and nobody.
Speaker 2: Program program. Yeah, well you're at look even even the team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just just so you know, every team gets a
Speaker 1: check cut for four hundred and thirty two million, So
Speaker 1: it's not like you're doing an outstanding job because you're not.
Speaker 3: It sells itself at this point.
Speaker 2: It does just like all the other team. All the
Speaker 2: other teams sell them.
Speaker 1: Say granted, now when it comes to the local market,
Speaker 1: they probably don't do what Jerry does because it's Dallas.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Obviously they don't sell in Jacksonville's Cincinnati or Houston or
Speaker 1: Tennessee like they do. Okay, fine, but they're not gonna
Speaker 1: be and they're not gonna be in the line tomorrow either,
Speaker 1: But just keep doing it that way. He gonna get
Speaker 1: tired of Philly. He gonna get tired of Philly and
Speaker 1: Washington run of the divisions.
Speaker 2: He gets tired.
Speaker 3: It's been thirty years. If he was gonna get tired
Speaker 3: of it, he would have He would have already picked
Speaker 3: up on how everyone else is doing things. He's continued
Speaker 3: to do it his way. He's set in his ways.
Speaker 3: At this, of course a change. If I was the
Speaker 3: owner of any team, I'd be taking notes. Okay, this
Speaker 3: is what crafted, This is what Belichick did. Okay, this
Speaker 3: is what Howie and and Jeff did.
Speaker 2: This is what Clark Hunt and Andy Reid. How they
Speaker 2: had no business.
Speaker 3: Let me see the rooney The Rooneys had success during
Speaker 3: this era. All Right, we're in a different era. But
Speaker 3: let me see if I can steal some of the
Speaker 3: things that they did, how they conducted business. Let me
Speaker 3: add this to my and came with my own game plan,
Speaker 3: my own formula on how to conduct things. Draft right,
Speaker 3: pay early, keep certain people many.
Speaker 2: That's what they do.
Speaker 1: They pay early with identified guy, we drafted me, homegrown guy.
Speaker 1: Let's get him a year three.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know they got carloftus.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: It's gonna take a pretty penny to get McDuffie signed.
Speaker 3: But are they are they gonna are They're going to
Speaker 3: Simon McDuffie becauld You let the Jerry sneed Yeah.
Speaker 2: They they go. Yeah, they're not gonna let him go.
Speaker 2: They're not gonna let him go.
Speaker 1: H Later in the pressor, Jerry tried to use Daz
Speaker 1: Bryant negotiation as reasoning for not wanting to work with
Speaker 1: Michael Parson's agent. Let's take a listen to what Jerry
Speaker 1: said about this. M I know Jeredy Jared drossness, what
Speaker 1: does that have to do with it?
Speaker 3: A goddamn thing.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 1: The reason why I don't like working with agents because
Speaker 1: the agent told me that this client was gonna be
Speaker 1: on time.
Speaker 2: That's what he told me.
Speaker 1: He said, I'm used to working on the street corner,
Speaker 1: and if you work on the street corner, if you're late,
Speaker 1: if you're earlier, you're late. So you better believe my guy.
Speaker 1: If they're in this organization, which was rock n they're
Speaker 1: gonna be on time. This is this was a dead's response,
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones. I don't think it's smart mentioned in my name.
Speaker 1: I kept quiet about a lot of unfair ish some
Speaker 1: ish who we have a story tized, that's what we're doing.
Speaker 3: You know, you know, you know, you know, Dave got
Speaker 3: he got his little piece. But you can't win that war.
Speaker 3: You can't. You can't. You can't win that war. You
Speaker 3: can't win that war and what what I what I
Speaker 3: wouldn't do.
Speaker 2: Uh, I'm not getting into it.
Speaker 1: I'm not getting because Jerry, he, Jerry is the type
Speaker 1: of tell all your business na so he oh Joe,
Speaker 1: that's a little, a little Okay, Dad's.
Speaker 2: Was late for me.
Speaker 1: They okay, I get you who wasn't because I was too,
Speaker 1: But Jerry might not back like, hold on, no, Jerry,
Speaker 1: you can't say that. Oh I wasn't supposed to tell
Speaker 1: that much, you know, Jay, Hey, you know the old people,
Speaker 1: oh Joe, when they measure, they don't really have no measuring.
Speaker 1: They go by field, they go by Okay, this and
Speaker 1: that ain't no measuring cup. See some some you know, coaches,
Speaker 1: owners might measure. Okay, I get a little bit. Jar
Speaker 1: If he can.
Speaker 3: To micaeh, who is of value to his franchise right now?
Speaker 3: What do you think he'll do the days who is
Speaker 3: of no value right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know so I And also I wouldn't want to
Speaker 3: There are certain bridges I don't want to burn. Certain
Speaker 3: bridges I don't want to burn because you never know
Speaker 3: when you might have to cross him again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, forget, I'm sure I'm sure Dad will sitting on
Speaker 1: his cast No Dad, No, Dad will probably playing a
Speaker 1: mad because you say, Dad's good.
Speaker 2: N What the hell I gotta do with this? My
Speaker 2: own business? And you bring you bring me into this.
Speaker 3: And you know what's funny is is we we have
Speaker 3: people on the outside, you know, looking at it. Uh,
Speaker 3: they're they're just owners and and I I want people
Speaker 3: to understand how powerful, how powerful these individuals are outside
Speaker 3: of the game of football. I want people to understand.
Speaker 3: So when I when I just said, there's certain bridges
Speaker 3: you don't want to burn, even if okay, you know
Speaker 3: what he says something you don't like, Well, you know what,
Speaker 3: there's certain things you got to let go because you
Speaker 3: go on the ward with something you will never be
Speaker 3: able to defeat and it can ruin a lot of
Speaker 3: things for you outside if if you get what I'm
Speaker 3: saying them, folks, is very very very very powerful outside
Speaker 3: of football. I think people don't, you know, I think
Speaker 3: people really don't really don't understand the power that these
Speaker 3: individuals have. I mean, I mean the cat, just a
Speaker 3: regular regular football fans, like people in the chair. I
Speaker 3: don't think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people are Yeah, I told him, mister Bullen, call
Speaker 1: and got my money back. Oh, Joe, I can if
Speaker 1: I give you the right tools, I can, you can
Speaker 1: probably win the war. But I gotta give you the
Speaker 1: white weapons to go fight. I don't know currently if
Speaker 1: if Michael has the weapon to fight.
Speaker 3: Now it's unfair.
Speaker 2: Yep. But now I'm like, hello, hello, Dance Dance, how
Speaker 2: long you've been retiring? Seven years?
Speaker 3: And not sure why he even brought his name up?
Speaker 1: Brought he brought because here's the thing. You could say
Speaker 1: that you didn't have to use dance. You could have
Speaker 1: said there have been times that the agent told me
Speaker 1: that player X was gonna get treatment, player X was
Speaker 1: gonna do X.
Speaker 2: Y and Z with player X does not do that.
Speaker 1: And I try to get on the phone with the
Speaker 1: agent now all of a sudden he won't return the calls. Now,
Speaker 1: but when we're negotiating money, he calling me. I got
Speaker 1: all this, I got all this fun I got I
Speaker 1: got this. I got his landline, and you know, a
Speaker 1: whole lot of people ain't got land lines no more.
Speaker 2: But I got his landline.
Speaker 1: I got the number to the secretary, I got his
Speaker 1: personal phone number, I got X, Y and Z. All
Speaker 1: I'm saying is he didn't.
Speaker 3: Have to use Dace it ain't make no sense.
Speaker 1: He didn't have to use dance. It makes no sense,
Speaker 1: and I can assure you Dad's is not. But Dad's
Speaker 1: a just let it, just let it rock you good, Hey,
Speaker 1: you'd have made your money. You straight, You live in Dallas,
Speaker 1: you got a nice life. Don't mess it up with
Speaker 1: some some petty bull Dyes, it ain't even worth it, bro,
Speaker 1: you know that. I know it's frustrating that he dragging
Speaker 1: you into something you ain't got nothing to do with.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 2: That's between Jerry and Micah and David mcletter.
Speaker 1: They gotta do it. Dance bright, dads bright. I don't
Speaker 1: know if if there is an age. I don't know
Speaker 1: if Rock Nation has a client on the Cowboyds, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: All I do know is that there's name.
Speaker 1: Shouldn't have been brought up when you're trying to make
Speaker 1: a point of why you don't like negotiating with agents.
Speaker 1: But all these millions, everybody the bus, uh, Jerry throwing everybody, yeah,
Speaker 1: what we're doing backed up over. But but I thought
Speaker 1: that was the whole thing. That's the whole thing about
Speaker 1: having an agent. I mean, when Jared, when I guarantee you,
Speaker 1: when Jerry goes make joke knowing Sha these hundred million
Speaker 1: dollar deals. Jerry sent this a hundred million dollar lawyers
Speaker 1: in there negotiate with the other companies, hundred million dollar lawyers.
Speaker 3: And you think him and mua Letta don't get along.
Speaker 3: You think they got some personal issues or something.
Speaker 1: No, Mua letter don't be looking to reset the market.
Speaker 1: Damn the same thing Todd Franz did when he got
Speaker 1: DAX money. Now, I don't know, I don't know who
Speaker 1: represents CD, but I know Todd Franz represents that. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm looking to reset the market because i want to
Speaker 1: keep climbing higher. And I'm trying to get as much
Speaker 1: money as I guaranteed K because I'm trying to I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get who got the most guaranteed money? Miles
Speaker 1: Garrett one twenty three? Okay, I'm trying to get one
Speaker 1: forty because we're gonna keep pushing it. You'll keep pushing it. Oh,
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson said, Oh did y'all see what Josh Allen
Speaker 1: got guaranteed? I'm gonna need that because he got one MVP.
Speaker 3: I got matter of fact, you know, you know should
Speaker 3: have had three, you know, Shoot, Lamar going back to
Speaker 3: the table after this season.
Speaker 2: Hey, Lamar tried to go back to the table, to
Speaker 2: the table befrow this season.
Speaker 3: It's gonna happen. I'm sure it hit the tick at
Speaker 3: some point.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, Hey, I'm just saying, look, if you're
Speaker 1: talking about north of what Josh got, I'll let your boy.
Speaker 1: If that ain't what you're looking at, If that ain't
Speaker 1: what you're looking for, what we're talking about, mm hmmm, damn.
Speaker 1: I mean, what's about twenty eight, twenty nine? He's straight?
Speaker 2: He good boy, man, I can't believe.
Speaker 3: Jerry here man, j Jarry, don't care, man, buddy, don't
Speaker 3: care man. He thugging it.
Speaker 1: Jared, you do realize the first of all, Jared, you
Speaker 1: do realize these are supposed to be private conversations, like
Speaker 1: when you talk to an agent. You're supposed to be private.
Speaker 1: This man mentioned jay Z by name. He's the idea
Speaker 1: to deal with jay Z myself. So he's gonna be
Speaker 1: on time, say temper where I signed a right there? Man. Oh,
Speaker 1: I had a conversation with Mike and March at the
Speaker 1: Big twelve Championship at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is this is business.
Speaker 1: Man. Hey, I never find out, Jay, you're wearing a
Speaker 1: wire telling all about you, telling everybody business man.
Speaker 2: Jerry put it out there, badge.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Dead's response. I read to quote Jerry Jones. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's smart to mention my name. I kept
Speaker 1: quiet about a lot of unfair ish.
Speaker 2: On some g ish.
Speaker 1: We can have a we can have story time. If
Speaker 1: that's what we're doing now it rock Rock Nation. Terrence Steele.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Terrence Steele, he's the right tackle on the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Rock Nation also responded in twenty fifteen at the Club
Speaker 1: at twenty one Club on a napkin, Jerry Jonesjan Perez,
Speaker 1: Sean jay Z, Carter and Stephen Jones negotiated a five year,
Speaker 1: seventy million dollar deal which included forty five million guaranteed
Speaker 1: and a twenty million dollar signing bonus for deads Bright
Speaker 1: at the time, which was the second largest contract for
Speaker 1: a wide receiver in NFL history. The claim that mister
Speaker 1: Carter or Rock Nation representative did not return the call
Speaker 1: from Jerry Jones is not only a false statement, but
Speaker 1: it's also a comical one. Rock Nation sports you know,
Speaker 1: sports representative.
Speaker 3: So now, Jerry Lyon too. Well, you know who, don't
Speaker 3: We all listen, But he ain't handling Ben is the
Speaker 3: right way. He ain't heling Ben as the right way.
Speaker 2: Nope. But guess what, he don't care. He don't care.
Speaker 2: He don't care.
Speaker 1: Jay Ojo Terry McLaurin has asked commanders to trade him.
Speaker 1: McLaurin turns thirty in September. McLaurin in the final year.
Speaker 1: He's in the final year OJO final season of a
Speaker 1: three year deal, set to make fifteen point two million
Speaker 1: base salary and is currently the seventeenth highest paid wide
Speaker 1: receiver in terms of average annual salary.
Speaker 3: Man, get my dog out of that man. They want
Speaker 3: to Tennessee. Let him go over there to Tennessee with
Speaker 3: Cam real quick, so Cam could could do exactly what CJ.
Speaker 3: Stroud did. So Cam Ben doing exactly what what Jayson
Speaker 3: Daniels did over there with the commandos, you know, giving
Speaker 3: them weapons. Let's put them weapons around him. You know,
Speaker 3: we got Calvin Ridley, we got Terry McLaurin, and wait, hope,
Speaker 3: we got Tyler Locket over there too. On right, and no,
Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken tight of lock it in the slot?
Speaker 3: Come on, man, we got they still got Paula right,
Speaker 3: Paula still a running back. Oh, come on, man, talk
Speaker 3: about Tennessee, Tennessee the dark on the dark Horse team
Speaker 3: to make up the playoffs. Terry milanover since they want
Speaker 3: to play games. God damn. Jaydon Daniels doesn't have the
Speaker 3: rocks in his back pocket to be able to go
Speaker 3: up the management right now and say listen, I need
Speaker 3: my target. I don't think you understand a huge part
Speaker 3: of my success was actually having number seventeen as the target.
Speaker 3: Look at some of the plates they made for us
Speaker 3: last year. Why is it even a no brainer? I
Speaker 3: don't care about him being thirty. I don't care about
Speaker 3: it being thirty. Where else are we going to get
Speaker 3: the production from where? No disrespect to Deebo Samuels. Nice,
Speaker 3: very nice in what he does, very nice and what
Speaker 3: he does he's a Swiss army knife. You can come
Speaker 3: out the back in the slot you put him in
Speaker 3: with the ball in his hands is phenomenal, one of
Speaker 3: the best. When you're going to a game and you're planning,
Speaker 3: the commanders, they're game planning and setting the defensive formation.
Speaker 3: Where Terry McLaurin lines up, what are we talking.
Speaker 1: About if what Adam, if what Adam Schefter is reporting
Speaker 1: is to be true, he wants way north of thirty
Speaker 1: three million.
Speaker 2: They're not going there, o Joe, They're not. You know that.
Speaker 3: I know that. I mean not.
Speaker 2: If what Adam like I said.
Speaker 1: Adam Sheefter tweeted that, ask can you find that quote
Speaker 1: and put it up on the thing to make sure
Speaker 1: they'll fit the real Adam Schefter And we're not getting
Speaker 1: a catfish. But if what Adam Schafter reported is that
Speaker 1: he wants north, wait, I think the work burbage and
Speaker 1: the terms he used was way north of thirty three million.
Speaker 3: Listen, I want way north of thirty three million. Stay
Speaker 3: with me now, Commanders saying we not gonna give you
Speaker 3: north of thirty three million. So okay, let's negotiate. Let's
Speaker 3: find a happy medium that's not disrespectful to me and
Speaker 3: what I've done for this franchise, because the number speaks
Speaker 3: for themselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but gonna pay for what you' oh, Joe, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna pay for what you've done. I already paid you
Speaker 1: for that. I gotta pay you what I'll believe you can.
Speaker 3: He's thirty, right, thirty, Yes, he can. He can, he
Speaker 3: can very well. Because of the quarterback play and the
Speaker 3: quarterback you have, he's going to be consistent. That's a
Speaker 3: old brainer. He's not losing a step now.
Speaker 2: I just don't I just don't know if that number
Speaker 2: is that number that north.
Speaker 3: Northern thirty or northern thirty three, maybe one thirty three.
Speaker 1: And a half, because think about it, you do realize
Speaker 1: who's at thirty thirty four and thirty five c D
Speaker 1: and Jetta. Now what we do way north means he's
Speaker 1: thirty six thirty seven.
Speaker 3: Give me dog thirty two and a half. Give Terry
Speaker 3: mcclaurin thirty two and a half.
Speaker 2: I was thinking.
Speaker 1: I was thinking more along the lines of water somewhere
Speaker 1: somewhere between somewhere between twenty twenty eight and a half
Speaker 1: and thirty one. I'm just oh Joe, I'm just oh Joe,
Speaker 1: Oh Joe. I've just got I gotta be real back.
Speaker 3: Okay, give me a dog thirty two and a half.
Speaker 3: Talk to me now, talk to me nice. Huh. We
Speaker 3: talked about scary Terry. We ain't talk about just knowing
Speaker 3: anybody now, huh. We talked about the one who would
Speaker 3: to see on the chest. We talking about the captain,
Speaker 3: the one who does everything the right way. He says
Speaker 3: all the right things. He's the leader of the team,
Speaker 3: he's the leader of the offense. His teammates game to
Speaker 3: see for a reason. Now it's time to pay him
Speaker 3: for the exactly that you're asking to be. And now
Speaker 3: it's a problem. That's what we're doing. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 3: it says.
Speaker 1: Mean please, I think, uh man, I think thirty million
Speaker 1: is probably what I think. The thirtieth is their their
Speaker 1: drop dead number, because that's where that's where Tyreek is
Speaker 1: ask pull up the top ten, pull up the other receivers.
Speaker 1: Adam Schefter said he thinks Terry McLaurin wants considerably more
Speaker 1: than DK got, which was thirty three million per year,
Speaker 1: So considerably, boy is gonna be thirty five, thirty six,
Speaker 1: thirty seven.
Speaker 3: Damn listen. Sometimes you gotta you got, you gotta shoot high.
Speaker 3: You gotta shoot high and fast. Somewhere you know, find
Speaker 3: a happy median.
Speaker 2: I like it. Shoot for the stars. If you're laying
Speaker 2: on the moon, you're still pretty damn hot.
Speaker 3: You'd be happy. I don't like the fact that the
Speaker 3: players are missing training camp. I don't like it because
Speaker 3: you got you get. You need that time to be
Speaker 3: getting pushed and shoved and getting acclimated to the speed
Speaker 3: of the game, you know, catch.
Speaker 2: Catching, Okay, oh Joe, here we are right here.
Speaker 1: Jamar chases at forty forty zero point two five, Jetta
Speaker 1: thirty five, c D thirty four, DK thirty three, Garrett
Speaker 1: Wilson thirty two, A J thirty two.
Speaker 2: I'm and Ross Saint.
Speaker 1: Brown thirty, Brandon Ayu thirty Tyreek Hill thirty, T. Higgins
Speaker 1: twenty eight seven fifty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty two and a half. I'm gonna say that again,
Speaker 3: thirty two and a half. Anything anything below that is disrespectful.
Speaker 3: Put the numbers up, pulling, pulling numbers up. See they.
Speaker 2: You got them on your did you see? Can you
Speaker 2: see them now?
Speaker 3: The numbers? No? No, but listen, listen, listen. Anything below
Speaker 3: that and disrespectful, pull the numbers up. See. I need
Speaker 3: to be I need to be some of the I
Speaker 3: need to be assistant to some of these agents when
Speaker 3: the time for these receivers get paid. Because not only
Speaker 3: am Ina pulling numbers up, not only I'm gonna pull
Speaker 3: the numbers in the marketing where everybody getting paid I'm
Speaker 3: also walking there with the goddamn film. I'm not sure
Speaker 3: what y'all been watching.
Speaker 1: So thirty two and a half will put him at
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson Field times paid fil paid.
Speaker 3: See, Okay, it's not it's not outrageous, it's not too low,
Speaker 3: it's right in the middle, and it's not disrespectful.
Speaker 2: He won't. He won't considerably more than thirty three boom.
Speaker 3: He was shooting for the stars. If I fall low,
Speaker 3: I want to fall to the thirty two and a half.
Speaker 2: I think you go for.
Speaker 3: No no. See, I need to be in the rooms.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: I need to be in the rules when it's time
Speaker 3: for receivers to negotiate. I think the owners and whoever
Speaker 3: does the numbers and the books, they forgetting what you did. Man,
Speaker 3: I'm coming there with the film. I'm coming there with
Speaker 3: the film. Forget what you talk about. Let me show
Speaker 3: you why my client deserves we'll be asking for. Let
Speaker 3: me show you why. Play by play, I'm gonna have
Speaker 3: all this catches and touchdown broken down thirty two and
Speaker 3: a half. Let me show you why thirty two and
Speaker 3: a half down in distance, different scenarios. Remember this man,
Speaker 3: stop playing man? What I'm the right listen, I'm the
Speaker 3: right one to have when it comes to negotiation and
Speaker 3: getting somebody paid.
Speaker 2: I agree. I agree with you, Jo.
Speaker 1: I don't think thirty two and a half is outrageous. Uh,
Speaker 1: But I think I think he's gonna fall somewhere. I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be you know, And I said be
Speaker 1: cause remember Waddle and remember I said I went twenty
Speaker 1: eight to half, that twenty eight to a half. So
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna follow that twenty eight to a
Speaker 1: half to thirty two. That's gonna be the range. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna be too happy with that.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you because what happens is is that you
Speaker 1: don't want to be You don't want to come behind
Speaker 1: a guy, Ojo. When the guy got thirty two and
Speaker 1: a half, and then you come behind him, you get
Speaker 1: thirty one, but you get thirty because now you stunded
Speaker 1: the growth of the wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Now I get it.
Speaker 1: You look at Gary Willison, Gary Willison say, hey, thirty
Speaker 1: two to five considering where I was, I'm cool with that.
Speaker 1: And right now I can't match the production of CD,
Speaker 1: Jetta and Chase, so I can't go up there wan
Speaker 1: and say, hey, y'all need y'all need to break me
Speaker 1: off like that because Jella is on some history.
Speaker 2: Yes, that Chase is on some history.
Speaker 3: There's levels to everything.
Speaker 1: Level yes, so that's what And so when you look
Speaker 1: at it like that. But I get with Terry McLaurin says, oh,
Speaker 1: no know, bro, Look, hey, y'all need to break me off.
Speaker 3: Thirty two and a half. That's it. That's it.
Speaker 2: Okay, thirty two and a half, thirty don't pay him.
Speaker 3: Thirty two and a half. I'm gonna go off on management.
Speaker 3: I don't know where, but they gonna hear me. They're
Speaker 3: gonna they gonna hear me. They're gonna