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Speaker 2: And summer is such a good time to slow down

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Speaker 2: and reconnect with your friends and make new friends.

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Speaker 2: Quietly, grill a hota.

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Speaker 1: Talk to your best friend for hours, go on a

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Speaker 2: This summer at CBC, we're doing what we call.

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Speaker 1: Every other Summer, where we'll be releasing a new episode

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Speaker 1: every other week on the main feed.

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Speaker 2: And the weeks that there is not a main feed episode,

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Speaker 2: that's when you're getting a vip loud.

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Speaker 1: You still get an episode every week, but just every

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Speaker 2: Do you get what we're talking You're saying, Hey, there

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Speaker 2: are no stupid questions if you don't.

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Speaker 1: So, welcome to every other Summer. Slow down, take stock,

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Speaker 1: be here, now.

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Speaker 2: Take a sip listen every other Summer. Celebrity book Club, Libby,

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Speaker 2: thank you for joining me on this walk through downtown Bismarck.

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Speaker 1: What a sad town, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: Aren't you from here?

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Speaker 1: Oh? What a rude thing for women of your statue

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Speaker 1: to say. But as we are wives of the planes,

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Speaker 1: we have little to do as we await our valiant

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Speaker 1: husbands return from their military campaigns against the Sioux and

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Speaker 1: other Indians.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen my husband in six months, and can

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Speaker 2: I tell you a secret, Libby, I don't think I

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Speaker 2: care to see him ever again. Whenever he comes home,

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Speaker 2: he just takes to the cask.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't really know much about that. My husband, General Custer,

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Speaker 1: commander of the seventh Cavalry. Well, he's just about the

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Speaker 1: healthiest fit and fiddle man I've ever met in my life,

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Speaker 1: never weary or wanting for a drink or even a

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Speaker 1: he's so fed by life himself.

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Speaker 2: That's just funny. You say that, Libby, because one of

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Speaker 2: my husband's friends saw him drinking from a Worcestershire bottle.

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Speaker 1: Scoops or marry you tripped? How awful?

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Speaker 2: Ah, oh, Libby, I'm just I don't know to do

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Speaker 2: anymore these winters of the planes.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's quite hard for you as a weak, pathetic woman.

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Speaker 1: You do sound very much like a horse. I need

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Speaker 1: to shoot Oh, just.

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Speaker 2: Shoot me out back, won't you.

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Speaker 1: Why don't you retire to this dismal hotel here in

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Speaker 1: this sad town. I'm going to go back to post

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Speaker 1: for I'm a strong woman, and I don't mind living

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Speaker 2: Oh you're so strong to go out with those men.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like you want to be a soldier yourself.

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Speaker 1: Libby, No, No, what a ridiculous thing for you to say.

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Speaker 1: It is only because I am so feminine and appropriately

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Speaker 1: by my husband's side that I don't mind being in

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Speaker 2: It's just interesting because I as a lady, even a

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Speaker 2: I would never go out with my husband onto the

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Speaker 2: fields and fight. It's just an unlady like.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, perhaps you should. Your face is so frightening

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Speaker 1: it would terrify the Indians into retreat. As you are

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Speaker 1: quite an ugly woman.

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Speaker 2: Well father always said the ugly woman gets the goat,

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Speaker 2: and the goat who gets the husband prays away the

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Speaker 2: dysentery onwards. I'm going to check into my hotel because

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Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I have a cask in there. I'm

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Speaker 2: looking to supper.

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Speaker 1: Yes, go lie down, your alcoholic bitch. Who's that knocking

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Speaker 1: at the door. It's all your friends, you filthy horse.

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Speaker 1: Your husband's gone and he've got books and a bottle

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Speaker 1: of wine to kill. It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip.

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Speaker 1: I'm shurek memoir, It's Martini.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity poof club.

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Speaker 1: To read it while it's hot.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity poof club. Tell your secrets.

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Speaker 1: We won't talk books. No boys are loud, say it

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Speaker 1: loud and pounds ceto clubs.

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Speaker 2: Spuzz me in. I brought the queer fow.

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Speaker 1: Hello best Hello, best friend.

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Speaker 2: How is dar thou? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I am mused quite well in fact, these days.

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Speaker 2: Mmmm, as the sun arises, I have to tell you something.

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Speaker 1: bad news.

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Speaker 2: It's actually quite wonderful news. Okay, across the street from

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Speaker 2: our recording studio, I kid you not, a Kraffel cafe

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Speaker 1: Is that a cross between a croissant and a waffle? Yes?

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Speaker 2: I know. I was like, we're just opening up craws.

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Speaker 1: Finally there's a Kraffels vitament out fly.

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Speaker 1: I was like, this is too did they look tasty air?

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Speaker 1: So it looks like layered liquor croissant, and yet it

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Speaker 1: Okay, so right, that plays a tornado crap in my

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Speaker 2: When crapes have avocado in them? No? Can I call

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Speaker 1: You know who else would have called three one one?

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Speaker 1: No, but she's down for the plover sandwhich is that

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Speaker 2: Yum yum yum.

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Speaker 1: We read a historic memoir by a historic figure.

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Speaker 2: Historic figure who had been canceled teeneyed today.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think in many ways

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Speaker 2: The Christineome of her generation.

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Speaker 1: Okay, she's not Christineome, though she likes the animals. She's

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Speaker 2: Although see let's get into let's release the dogs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know her from her husband, General Custer,

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Speaker 2: Last Stand stand and what I've been calling Custard's Last

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Speaker 2: Custard's Last Stand, because while we were reading this book,

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Speaker 2: store called Custard's Last Stand hilarious, especially with a historical pun.

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Speaker 1: Now you might be thinking, Okay, Custer got it, but

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Speaker 1: He could really write his memoirs. He was young, in

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Speaker 2: Let her write while he was alive, And when he died,

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Speaker 2: she said, I'm putting them to paper, and I'm going

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Speaker 2: Going to kind of make a propaganda about him for

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Speaker 1: So that's what she did. And this is the first

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Speaker 1: of her books. It's called Boots and Saddles by none

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Speaker 1: other than Elizabeth Bacon Custer, also known as Libby. It's

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Speaker 1: a big Custer.

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Speaker 2: Something about the name, like Libby is already so scary.

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Speaker 1: Because like, you're Libby is definitely like getting you in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's like, ha, I'm Libby. Yeah, you're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, she's absolutely telling your dad that she saw

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Speaker 2: His vibe is also he looks exactly like one of

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Speaker 1: Finny, you haven't insect with pedagnology. I no, you don't share,

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Speaker 2: For like in photos with him, like he looks very

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Speaker 2: she talks about like cow Insanley sexy and healthy he is.

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Speaker 2: He looks more like frail Beverly Hillbilding.

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Speaker 2: be like the Sioux tribe, well, all their hands were

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Speaker 2: There was photography with starting at that era. It's like

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Speaker 1: that's right, baggedam what jealous you should be? Oh yeah?

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Speaker 2: And she's doing like two braids it looks like. And

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Speaker 2: she's wearing this kind of like heavy, almost like washed

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Speaker 1: and like writing about mister Big and having like an

437
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 1: endless widowhood where she's like sixty years of being a

438
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 1: widow of mister Big and writing about it.

439
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 2: It is just like I know, she was obsessed with him,

440
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 2: and she like looks down on people who remarry.

441
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: She was obsessed with her legacy and like her own

442
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: law and her own low and it's like her lore

443
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 1: like ceases to be her own law if she like remarries,

444
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 1: or at least so she thought, because she's very self

445
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: righteous about like being this noble frontier's wife.

446
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 2: I did find though, sometimes I was like I feel

447
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 2: like you're a little bit afraid to be totally alone

448
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 2: with Custer.

449
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 1: Oh, and so she needs the regiment there.

450
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 2: Yes, she loved having the regiment her men there and

451
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 2: going to you know, the costco of the Dakotas and

452
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 2: having like always plover sandwiches ready. And then was like

453
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 2: and it was sometimes quiet in the winter.

454
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: It was like literally just awkward. I mean like so,

455
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 1: but then we played gin Rummy.

456
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 2: Again because she was like, well, we literally had nothing

457
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 2: to do in the winter.

458
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, she's honest about the boredom for sure.

459
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 2: And then she sits by his office his desk, which

460
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 2: I was like, I guess that's cute, and he reads

461
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 2: to her.

462
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 1: That was cute. The part where she's describing his office

463
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: and she describes she's like, the most he had a

464
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: portrait of his wife in her bridle dress above his desk,

465
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: and it's like yourself referring to yourself in the third

466
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: person in a photograph above his desk.

467
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 2: Oh, with this part where she just like gives his weight,

468
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 2: which is crazy. She's like, he weighed one hundred and

469
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 2: seventy pounds. It was nearly six feet in height. His

470
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,479
Speaker 2: eyes were clear blue and deep set. His hair short, wavy,

471
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 2: and golden tint. His mustache was long and tawny in color.

472
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 2: His complexion was florid, except where his forehead was shaded

473
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 2: by his hat, for the sun always burned his skin ruthlessly.

474
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: Buckskin breeches fringed on the sides, a navy blue shirt

475
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: with a broad collar, red necktie whose ends floated over

476
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: his shoulder. Exactly, it's like this kind of like cheq profile.

477
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: No, I means she's a fashionista. I love when she

478
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: is talking about how like frugal she is with water

479
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: usage because like she's kind of ecofluencer girl, which is

480
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: also very in this way, kind of like modern like

481
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: anto a girl boss coated where she's like sorry, like

482
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: I can do with less.

483
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 2: Well when she all of their clothes burn and get

484
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 2: covered in mildo, she said her maid lies to like

485
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 2: the townspeople to make it sound like she had more

486
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: fabulous clothes. Overheard her maid being like, oh, like miss Bradshaw,

487
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: she just caring. Now she's care like Libby Bacon. Oh

488
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 2: like she sure misses her beautiful like linen dress, and

489
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: she's like in reality, I actually only was sad about

490
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: the one photograph that got burned of me and custar.

491
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 2: It's just like that is don't care about my clothes.

492
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm like a furial lesbian like I.

493
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 2: It's like girl who watches Brandy Melville doc ones. Yeah,

494
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 2: and it's like and it's like, oh, I'm actually just

495
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: only thrifting now, and I don't really care about clothes.

496
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: From being compelled to do with very little water, we

497
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: had learned almost to take a bath in a thimble,

498
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: And to this day I find myself pouring the water

499
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: out of a picture in a most gingerly manner. So

500
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: strong is the power of habit, even now with the

501
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: generous rush of the unstinted croton at my disposal.

502
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: Wait, speaking of the not talking about.

503
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: The New York water, and like how there's so much

504
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: of it.

505
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: And she's like these New Yorkers taking their long showers, okay,

506
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: but do you remember when they have She's like, oh,

507
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 2: I loved all the infantry men that came to visit,

508
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: except for this one, like Coogee soldier who came and

509
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 2: like she was a key certainly had some different ideas.

510
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: And his ideas was that you should take a bath

511
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: almost like a cat and just rub your hands against

512
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: your skin.

513
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, the dry bath that she was actually like froze

514
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 1: sketch by. Well, it's funny because in this way she's

515
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: quite the gossip. Ye know, she's astute observer. I mean

516
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: one thing about this book that I will say, it's

517
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: like she is very observant, like she sees it all

518
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: go down, and like as much as she, like you know,

519
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: tries to portray herself as this just like dumb wife.

520
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: It's like or you know, exaggerate things the exactly thing.

521
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: Like she's clocking. Yeah. I love how she said he

522
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: gloried in what he called advanced ideas and strove to

523
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: wear the martyr's crown that all pioneers a new and

524
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: extreme beliefs crowd on their heads. I love calling him

525
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: striving to where the martyr's crown Like, oh, this guy

526
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: thinks he's I mean it's also pot kettle because she

527
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: is wearing the martyr's crown on me.

528
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: Okay, but did you get this? It sounded like I

529
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: know he was giving himself a weird hands bath, but

530
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: it sounded like she woke up to him jerking off

531
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: because she's like I woke up to heavy breathing and

532
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: him like, I.

533
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: Was awakened by noise of vigorous friction and violent breathing,

534
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: as if someone laboring diligently.

535
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 2: Oh wait, okay, yeah, she's just like this old soldiers

536
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: like drinking.

537
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: Oh and then he made up this story about dry bathing.

538
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I love dry bathing.

539
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: Oh, and she repeated it. She's a fucking idiot. Maybe

540
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: she has done as hell as softly as I awakened

541
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: my husband and tried to whisper to him, he was

542
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: on nettles instantly hearing the quiver of my laughter in

543
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: my voice. He feared I might be heard, and that

544
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: the feelings of the man brw me in such regard

545
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: might be wounded. He promptly a requested me to smother

546
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: my laughter in the bankers. Oh, this is him being

547
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: like stop.

548
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: Stop laughing, friend, drinking.

549
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: All yeah, taking a bath with the palm of the hand.

550
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: M I'm kind of bath okay, but then side no counterpoint.

551
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 2: Okay.

552
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: My significant other who is from the Midwest, Yes, he

553
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: does this thing after a shower where he squeeges his

554
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: body with his hands.

555
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: Oh, because it's like the Dakota's and he's like learned

556
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: from his ancestors who were like an organ trail, and

557
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: so he's like taking I.

558
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: Mean he's doing it after a shower, but I'm still like, so.

559
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: He's taking his hand, he's like rubbing off the water.

560
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting, Well he's sort of a plain's tradition of rubbing.

561
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe you could take a note from him,

562
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: because I remember once we were roasting you and how

563
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: like wet you are after a shower shower, and like

564
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: Libby would be so like infantry like Horst is like

565
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: wasting so much called a thimble.

566
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: Okay, okay. When she's talking about the horse Dandy, that

567
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: does and Dandy loved him so much, and that's like

568
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: the horses were jealous of the dogs who would come

569
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: into the tents just be like, oh, yeah, the horses

570
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: want to fuck your husband.

571
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: No, she was like, yeah, this horse was so close

572
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: my husband, Like we could hear him like neighing outside.

573
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 2: It's like I don't know, it's an animal, and he's

574
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: being like, what's up, and she's like, no, he had

575
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: to get in there. And then she was like, oh,

576
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 2: Custer loves going out with all of our dogs and

577
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: like rustling in the fields and like laying down and

578
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 2: like the dogs are licking him like okay, okay. So

579
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: she's always being like, oh, the Sioux isn't hospitable to

580
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: us as they're like killing them, and she's just like

581
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,239
Speaker 2: isn't that crazy? Like she's like they were like, uh,

582
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: you guys need to pay us for use of our land.

583
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 2: Can you believe that?

584
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: And the backstory here for those who don't know, this

585
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: is the eighteen seventies, So this is very much like

586
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: towards the end of like the several hundred year process

587
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: of the genocide of the Native Americans in the United States.

588
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's really kind of.

589
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: And there isn't like major wars going on at this point,

590
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: Like it's technically like there's like the Great Sioux War whatever,

591
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: but it's just like the amount of Indians that are

592
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: left at this point is like very small, like most

593
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: have died from war and disease, displacement, et cetera, like

594
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: over hundreds of years, and so like this is post

595
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: civil war, but like you still have on the western frontier,

596
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: some tribes have like allied with the United States and

597
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: some are like banning together fighting in little pockets like

598
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: here and there. You know, it's definitely tense.

599
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 2: One might say, yeah, tense is maybe one of the

600
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: words I would use.

601
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: And the US military was like making treaties with tribes

602
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: that they were always breaking. And she's obviously not like

603
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: giving a lot of this context, and when she's talking

604
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: about it, she's also not even like did you know

605
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: that before he went on this like Western campaign to

606
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: become this like I'm leading the army like against the

607
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: Indians in the West, he got an offer to go

608
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: like be a general in Mexico by like Benito Oh

609
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: or something who was like fighting like the French allied

610
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: Emperor of Mexico at the time or something, and he

611
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: was like, no, well, and I guess Grant was just like, actually, bitch,

612
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: you're not gonna go command a foreign army. And he

613
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: was like, but I want to. And he had this

614
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: whole like fight with Grant throughout his whole career, and

615
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: she doesn't really talk about that, but they have like

616
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: such a like rivalry and like he was always mad

617
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: at like Custer. Like I think Custer was like really

618
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: kind of this like toxic.

619
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: Like he was a toxic and wanted to go like

620
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: rogue and like.

621
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: And be like I want to go lead my men.

622
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: I want to go do this, and Grant was always

623
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: just like bitch, like slow your role and I'm arrest

624
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: new for deserting and like et cetera. And then like

625
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: finally was like, h fine, I'm gonna let him go

626
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: out because like, I to give this I have to

627
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: give this host something. And if we like lose against

628
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: the Sioux and he's not in command, that everyone's gonna

629
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: blame me for not putting him in charge, ironic to

630
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: the Boots, because who famously lost mister Custer. So but

631
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: that's kind of the context. So they're always like meeting

632
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: like these tribes and like having like a peace pipe

633
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: session with the Lakota, and she's been so sketched up.

634
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: She's she could not be more sketched out, like, and

635
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: then she'll like sometimes be like in this like really

636
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: annoying way, be like okay, actually their outfits were really cute.

637
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, because then she'll be like, wait, I love this chair.

638
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with that. But I mean that It's funny

639
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: how she's always just been like and here's the peace

640
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: pipe again, and we're smoking again, and we're passing the pipe.

641
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: It's like again Libby she's like, I don't smoke me, so.

642
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: I don't smoke? Can you not smoke in here?

643
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: And she's like, well, I'll like allow like my husband's

644
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: toxic friends to like drink Scotch sometimes, but like weed,

645
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: that's where I draw the line, like I'm not gonna smoke.

646
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: Okay.

647
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: This part about like her relationship with women, where like

648
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: she meets this other general who like he's like, oh,

649
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: I'll defend like our land, but like I will not

650
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: defend like an officer's wife. And she was like, doesn't

651
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: this man know that God created women as his best product?

652
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: And she's kind of like weirded out by these like

653
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: men who aren't like honoring their women so much. Where

654
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I do believe she was in love

655
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: with Custer, but I am just kind of like if

656
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: she maybe like did have the chance.

657
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: To well, because when she describes the moment, she she oh, interesting,

658
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: I mean it would have never crossed her mind. But

659
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: she also describes, like other men, you know, the soldiers

660
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: were superb lot of men physically. The outdoor life had

661
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: developed them to perfect specimens of vigorous manhood, Like she

662
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: does seem horny for men.

663
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: Right, Wait, there's this other part where she's just like

664
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 2: he was so beautiful and it's just about like.

665
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: He was the most agile, active man I ever knew,

666
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: and so strong and in such perfect physical condition that

667
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: he rarely knew even an hour's indisposition. And like that's

668
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, the tawny in color, the deeps of blue eyes.

669
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: Like she is, no, she loves men.

670
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: She's sure she loves men, is into her husband. But

671
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: you think that maybe like she's like in New York City,

672
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: don't you think if that if she or a woman

673
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: know that she would be kind of a switchy top.

674
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: She'd be the top for sure.

675
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

676
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: I don't see her like, no, I don't see her

677
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,959
Speaker 2: like feminie. No, no, no, it's like in her New.

678
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 1: York City like a tiny book.

679
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: It would be more her in like eighteen ninety.

680
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: Five, right, so like twenty years later, So now she's

681
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: like in her fifth fees and maybe she's.

682
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: Like kind of more like yeah, drinking some tea and

683
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: being like come over to my apartment.

684
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, eighteenth Street. She hates cooking. She and her husband

685
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: hates when she cooks.

686
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like, oh, she's like, my husband hated to

687
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: see me in the kitchen.

688
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: Because she's like so trad that she's post trad because

689
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: she's just like, no, actually, don't even cook, because she's like,

690
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: it's kind of cool that I don't know how to

691
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: cook because I'm such a fucking idiot.

692
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 2: Like I think they associate that with like being like, oh,

693
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: you're just like this woman who, like you know, spends

694
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: her time as a simple pie making woman. I think

695
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 2: he's into the fact that she is a switchy top

696
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: and is like coming like you know, onto the frontier

697
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 2: with him and in the wagons and on the trains

698
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: and the steamships, because he'll be like reading to her

699
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: from like his great books and like playing pool with her.

700
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: He's like, my girlfriend is the guy's girl.

701
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really proudly the guy. Like dude, she literally

702
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: games and then like he's writing letters and telling her

703
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: about the campaigns and what's going on, and like that's

704
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: why it's kind of insane that time when she brags

705
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: about like being dumb and she's like I didn't know

706
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: this like whatever kind of idiosyncrasy of like military protocol,

707
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: and like all of the other husbands were actually surprised

708
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: by how little it meant that Custer had told me

709
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: about their protocol, and he was like, I was so

710
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: proud that my curiosity was less than that of any

711
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: woman he had ever known. And I'm like, what, Yeah,

712
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm so proud.

713
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: I wasn't curious, Like you're so fucking crazy, just crazy

714
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: the lord she's building for herself.

715
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: Because I'm just like, girl, you're writing this whole incredibly

716
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: detailed book about everything that's going on. Like obviously you're

717
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: curious and you know what's happening.

718
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you're writing every moment of like every like battle,

719
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: you're talking about outfits, you're talking about food, you're talking

720
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 2: about like the planes and the weather.

721
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: You're just like, no, I'm just like this dumb bitch.

722
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: It's like he I likes you because you are smart

723
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: and he can talk to you and he can like

724
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: write you detailed letters, which is I think one of

725
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: the things I like about this book is how like

726
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: her contradictions are constantly being surfaced by her own writing.

727
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: I do you feel it's like any historical figure is

728
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: always like like historical figure not be of many contradictions

729
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: because it's.

730
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: Just kind of like the past was like always bad, bad,

731
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: and so like she'll say maybe like one thing that's

732
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 2: like not actually like so awful, and everyone's like, oh

733
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: my god. She's full of contradictions. And she played billiards

734
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: and yes, but she didn't take to the whiskey, so

735
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 2: she was full of contradictions, and I think full of contracts.

736
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: I found her. It's like we're in way. She like

737
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 2: is sassy and as a bitch, but is old so

738
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: kind of like so straight edge.

739
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I also think that she wants to paint

740
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: a very reductive picture. I mean like she's constantly self

741
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: but everything, Like she wants to paint the Indians as

742
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: like violent savages. She's always calling them warlike right, But

743
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: then like will contradict herself when she's just like going

744
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: into the village and like having some peaceful session and

745
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: like the running antelope. That guy who like makes that

746
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: speech with the dovelance in his hand, and she's like

747
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: he's actually like so hot, and like well, she's.

748
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: Like he's such an amazing storyteller and his robe.

749
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: Is beautiful, and even after she talked about how she

750
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: thought the Indians were ugly, she was like, oh wait,

751
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: like he has like such a gorgeous spell structure. She's like,

752
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 1: hold on her hot and like she wants to portray

753
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: like all men is like being so like muscular and

754
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: like powerful and like leaders. But then like that's always

755
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: been sort of like contradicted by them being like so

756
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: like dying, and she's and then she's like women are

757
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: so stupid and like I'm in in and like dotterine

758
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: and like terrified of everything, and like every page's just

759
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: like my anxiety tore a hole through me. I could

760
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: not move. I did not know if I would ever

761
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: breathe again at the thought of more danger on the plane.

762
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: But then it's just like obviously, like.

763
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: Then she's signing up for another freaking like wagon ride

764
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 2: to war, and then she's there. She was like, I

765
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: was so nervous, which is such a funny way to

766
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: talk about, like war, it's nervous. I was like, really,

767
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 2: I was like cold and nervous.

768
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: But in that sense, I think it's like fun that

769
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: you keep seeing the contradiction's surface because she kind of

770
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: can't help herself in her writing, where it's like if

771
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: she were actually wanting to portray like the more simplistic

772
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: view of the world that she wants to, it would

773
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: be much more.

774
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 2: Like March first, eighteen sixty eight. Today was hard. Yes,

775
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: we ate plover, I got blankets. Next day many were killed.

776
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: Yeah and that, but this over again.

777
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 2: But this is her being like my servant was actually

778
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: able to add some seasoning to the plover, and it

779
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: had kind of an interesting smokiness to it.

780
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: Then she is an art ho. She's always referencing artists

781
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: and being like, uh, like, the shadows of the fire

782
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,959
Speaker 1: and the long house reminded me of doray. Wait.

783
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 2: She literally says something about, oh, wait here, it is okay.

784
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: Large photographs of the men my husband loved kept him

785
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 2: company on the walls. They were of General McClellan, General Sheridan,

786
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 2: and mister Lawrence Barrett. Comparatively, modern art was represented by

787
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: two of the Rogers statuettes that we had carried about

788
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 2: with us for years. Transportation for necessary household articles was

789
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 2: often so limited it was sometimes a question whether anything

790
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: that was not absolutely needed for the preservation of flight

791
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: should be taken with us. But our watchman for those

792
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: little figures. So she is like bringing around sculpture with.

793
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: Her, fully taking sculpture with her. On the lames, she'd

794
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: be like, well, I need like some sculptural works.

795
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: You would think that that would be the thing to go.

796
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: No, I would like maybe like a poster, we could

797
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: do a painting, even sculpture.

798
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 2: Literally sculpture. And there was like, how is her wedding

799
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: dress getting ruined with mold but the sculpture is you

800
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: know why, because she stored the wedding dress and it

801
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: got moldy, and she's carrying the sculpture with her.

802
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: The sculpture is like air rating, and she's probably also

803
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: like dusting it and wiping it down or whatever. She

804
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: has so much fabric whence fabric gets wet and mildewy

805
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: and you can't like take it to SuDS Alley or whatever.

806
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 2: Way, Wait, this is the Joanna Gaines part. She called

807
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: and she redoes her house for laundry section SuDS Row.

808
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: Couldn't you see that big like iron sign above your

809
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: washing machine that says Sud's Row. And it was like

810
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: tin wheeled restoration hardware, like baskets with a heavy waxed.

811
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: With her barber dresses. Oh my goodness. Okay, there's several

812
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: other things, like I did want to talk about how

813
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: the wines all the horses were fagged. I didn't know

814
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: what she meant by that. This is the section she

815
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: goes the ponies were captured, but it was useless to

816
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: try any further pursuit. All the horses were fagged, and

817
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: the officers and men suffering from the want of food

818
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: and water. Googling, I'm kind of just like, I don't

819
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: know what that means. Does she means that they were

820
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: killed British informal?

821
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: What does fag mean? Drained of energy? Extremely?

822
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 1: The horses were tired.

823
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense.

824
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 1: I guess they're tired. They're like, girl, I'm fa okay

825
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: learning new words boots. Also, did you clocked that part

826
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: when she was like, oh, the YMCA New York would

827
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: said magazines to the fort she was, and we.

828
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 2: Would receive amazing publications from the Young Christians Men's Association.

829
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: That's random, but that's so like New York being like

830
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 1: the media arm of the country.

831
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's getting those magazines and she's like, maybe

832
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 2: one day I'll move to eighteenth.

833
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: It was to me like very gay about it, like

834
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: men getting YMCA magazines. I guess I think of the

835
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: YMCA is gay. Now, maybe that's just because of the

836
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: village people et cetera. Maybe it wasn't gay back then.

837
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like it's all a little gay because it's

838
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: like a military well and especially it's like that's when

839
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 2: it was kind of single gendered and you would just

840
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: go and get your you know, little room, right, maybe

841
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: you'd share with another, maybe you'd.

842
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: Do a nice dry rub boots and segments. How did

843
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: she eat?

844
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: How does she live?

845
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: Was she wear? Okay, what does she eat? Plover as

846
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: we discussed, Yeah, you know, whatever her mate whatever, Mary can.

847
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: Rustle up and sometimes she's going to bed hungry and

848
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 2: she is making sure like the infantry men like eat first.

849
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so certainly not any whiskey.

850
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 2: No, I feel like she's not even drinking like water.

851
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: Well, you know, people didn't drink water in the nest,

852
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: Like that's only happened in the past, like twenty years

853
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: or even fifteen years that people started drinking water.

854
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: Like do you think she mentioned condensed milk at some point?

855
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: Yes, well, because she was like it was just so

856
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: hard to get like eggs, like, oh my god, it

857
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: was amazing when eggs came. But like she's so jostled

858
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: on the five hundred mile trip that like there was

859
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 1: like three eggs left.

860
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's like her care and so many

861
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 2: eggs is so it's very like when you're on a

862
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: road trip and you see like a little stand that's

863
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 2: like eggs and you stop by and you're like oh okay,

864
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 2: and you get it and you put the five dollars

865
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 2: in the box and then six hours on the way home.

866
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and like that's getting jostled on horseback,

867
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: like honey, those eggs are not making it from Minneapolis

868
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: or whatever.

869
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: She's so black coffee. Oh yeah, she's a little little

870
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: mug Java. It is kind of stopping. It's like, oh,

871
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 2: the coffee taste muddy.

872
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: I feel like there's one point where she does describe

873
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: a coffee that actually tasted really good that maybe her

874
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: maid made in like a Southern way or something. Yeah.

875
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 2: I mean it varies. It depends like if they're at campfire,

876
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 2: the coffee is gonna be muddy if things are.

877
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: Better, because when people talk about cowboy coffee and I

878
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: feel like that's a very kind of dirty, kind of

879
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: sludgy coffee.

880
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a cowboy coffee country.

881
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: Just remember the part where she's talked about how women

882
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: are born fearing mice I mean, I'm so afraid of ice.

883
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: That's the one womanly thing of me. I'm afraid of mice.

884
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: I am I will yelp if I see a mouse, right, a.

885
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: Wild country mouse can be cute, like scampering through the fields. Yeah,

886
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 2: but like in your apartment, Well that's different, terrifying.

887
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: What does she where I'm saying, Lennon, you're saying some

888
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: sort of waxy material.

889
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm taking like this heavier dress. Again, she supposedly

890
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: says she doesn't really care about.

891
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: Clothes, Like as she becomes like a girl boss writer,

892
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: like Carrie Bradshaw moos to New York, like, do you

893
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: think that she is keeping up with the fashions, and

894
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: like by the nineteen ten she's a Gibson girl.

895
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 2: I think she must be getting like big hats in NYC.

896
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: Yes, she was doing big hats, But I still think

897
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: that she was being kind of like Dowager and like

898
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: I think she was so committed to roll of widow

899
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: that she was pretending to be in mourning for the

900
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: next like fifty years and.

901
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 2: Were always like wearing back and navy.

902
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: And just being like, oh, I'm a widow. Oh how

903
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: awful these young girls right, and I'm marrying.

904
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: Walking like through Fifth Avenue, you know, and like as

905
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 2: we enter hashtag the Gilded Age, she's not like getting.

906
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: Gilded, Like she's not being so fabulous. No, I know,

907
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: she's still being like dowdy Dowager. I'm in mourning and like.

908
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll buy like you know, she's like, oh, I

909
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:02,959
Speaker 2: got a new.

910
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 1: Puffy dress, yeah, and like no makeup.

911
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: But not like a white lace sash and maybe like

912
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: but like but.

913
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: Then maybe she does have like really strong opinions about

914
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: the designers, yes, and she has just been like, ugh,

915
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: I hate like Alfred of Alonzo's like latest line. It's

916
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: actually I mean I would never wear any of this stuff.

917
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: I don't care about clothes, but I hate the way

918
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: he's draping the girls lately.

919
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: And I saw what Lady Astor was wearing and I

920
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: just think it's too flashy. Yeah, don't you.

921
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 1: How does she live?

922
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 2: I mean in sculptures, sculptures, like she is a Western

923
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: style like beavers. She says they have a lot of

924
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: American lions.

925
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: Again, what is the American lion? Which I was like,

926
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: like a mountain lion, and that's.

927
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: What I would just say. It a mountain lion, and like,

928
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 2: I think she's probably has like like a lot of

929
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 2: her husband's animal taxidermy, Like I don't think she got

930
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: rid of that, But I feel like I don't think.

931
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: She has a part where they taxi during their dog

932
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: and it's like in some like courthouse in Minneapolis to

933
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: this day, we have a visit, you have to visit.

934
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: So she's still just being like it's a museum in there. Yeah,

935
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: I kind of think that she got a little bit

936
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: more like sculpture, sculpture and books and was being more

937
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: like I'm a woman of letters now and I'm being

938
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: so piled of books and desks big, and she wasn't

939
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: being so wagon wheel and like even though it's like, yes,

940
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: this book is so her being read Drummond and she

941
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: is so like SuDS Row Metal shocking in the Laundry.

942
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 2: Show from antlers above hung sub sabers, spurs, sabers, spurs, writing, whips,

943
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: gloves and caps field glasses of map case. The great

944
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: compass used on the marches. One of the sabers was

945
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: remarkably larger when it was given to the General in

946
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 2: the Wars, accompanied by the remark that there was doubtless

947
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: no other OLMNS service, So it literally is being this

948
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 2: full museum with like maps and goggles, and it's like,

949
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: I think you're right, Like now that he's dead, and

950
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 2: she has her apartment, she has a storage units, a

951
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 2: widows s has a widows unit.

952
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: Full of just like bison heads and sabers, but then

953
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: her apartment is being a little bit more velvet couch

954
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: piles of books. Absolutely, Okay, who are you in the book?

955
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: I feel like I identify with two people. Wine was

956
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: her just for like being a bitch and being like

957
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with my husband.

958
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 2: But also like you're so like a woman of contradictions.

959
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: I am woman of so many contradictions, but also running

960
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: Antelope when he like absconds with all the leftovers, and

961
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 1: she's like he did something I'd never seen someone do before.

962
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 1: I was at the end of the meal. He took

963
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 1: everyone's like uneaten food and put it into his cloak

964
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: and patched up the cloak and left, and I was like, wait,

965
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: that's so us.

966
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: At an event, like give me the sliders put in the.

967
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: Bag, somebody shoed to shrimp in our pocket.

968
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 2: And it's also that thing where it's like someone sees

969
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: us and they're like, where are you taking the free

970
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 2: sliders out of here? And we're like, what are you

971
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 2: talking about?

972
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: They're just like, oh, you guys are so sketchy.

973
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I'm running in. I also think I'm

974
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 2: the woman who marries three times but then dresses as

975
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 2: a man to like herd Oxen.

976
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: I would like to see you heard some Oxen, let's

977
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 1: fucking go. You heard Oxen for like twenty minutes and

978
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: just being like I'm gonna sit down.

979
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 2: Well, because that's kind of her mind. It's like she

980
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 2: dresses a man, heard Oxen for a while and then

981
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 2: was like wait, wait, I'm going to like go back

982
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 2: and go to like a dance.

983
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: Huh. Obviously, I think this book is fascinating. I think

984
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: it's such an interesting like companion to so much of

985
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: the history that we do learn and read.

986
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I haven't read something this historical that was

987
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: like had so many kind of like asides and like

988
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 2: kind of random opinions, you know, like like not huge

989
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 2: political opinions, just kind of more like little observations.

990
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: I think it's very interesting, like because it shows the

991
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: real like animosity and hatred towards the Indians that like

992
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: she and I think other people her generation felt that

993
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: you don't really get when it's just being like blah

994
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: blah blah a military campaign, this battle happened, this battle happened,

995
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: and we all learn.

996
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 2: Like it's bad, and then you kind of see it

997
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: from her words and where you're like, oh, you're so bad.

998
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you really have like this real visceral like

999
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: racist hatred towards people. What's also interesting is there's not

1000
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: anything about like the Mission of America. There's not really

1001
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: a lot of like propaganda I would say about like

1002
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: manifest destiny or like why we need to like settle

1003
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: the planes, or why it's important to like push westward,

1004
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: like and I feel like you hear a lot about

1005
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: that usually, and that's also not in here, which I

1006
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: think also makes.

1007
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 2: It like this book is personal propaganda because she was

1008
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 2: basically and they say, like his reputation is all because

1009
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 2: of her, So she was just kind of like although

1010
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 2: that low key, always trying to be like no, you guys,

1011
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 2: he's hot and really good.

1012
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: But what's weird about that is maybe the other books

1013
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: there's more of this, because I'm kind of like from

1014
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: this book, I don't get at his reputation as being

1015
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: like a fan of All I get is that he

1016
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: was hot and made her left.

1017
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. It Like she's being like, right, yeah,

1018
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 2: she said.

1019
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: Laying the runway for book two, which is like all

1020
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: that he was like a military genius and like it

1021
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: was so important for like spreading American civilization.

1022
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: She was like, let's just like settle the groundwork here.

1023
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 2: Like he was hot, Like he was an amazing husband.

1024
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: And when you're reading this and you're like, oh, he

1025
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 2: does sound hot, then you're like wait a second.

1026
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: Because you know he frankly was like not a great general.

1027
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: And any way he was I was reading about the

1028
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: Battle of the Little Bank Corner and Wikipedia.

1029
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 2: I was heading to wikipedia dot com as well.

1030
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: It was a mess, Mama, that was a mess.

1031
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: What were you thinking this well, and the fact it

1032
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 2: really seemed where it's like no one was really telling

1033
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 2: him to do this. No, I know, he had a

1034
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: thirst for blood, and she's making it scene the other

1035
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 2: way around. I know.

1036
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: It's like, not only were you like breaking treaties and

1037
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: heading and and I think you know the pretext for

1038
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: that was like, well, like the crow Indians who had

1039
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: like were allied with the Americans, like wanted to like

1040
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: stop the sue incursions into their territory. And it's just like,

1041
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: don't act like they were like so caring about the

1042
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: crows that much that they were like going to go

1043
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 1: defund them and like because it's like really just about

1044
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: like they were just like we're just like going to

1045
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: go on a fun campaign. The arrogance, the hubris. She's

1046
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: mildly outnumbered.

1047
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 2: She's like, oh, they five to one begging us for food,

1048
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 2: and it's like, well you because you decimated the food supply.

1049
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's just like you really have to question

1050
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: so much of Custer. Question Custer, you have to question

1051
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: the legacy. But yeah, I mean it's interesting that, like

1052
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: I do wonder what she was doing in the second

1053
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: book to make it seem like he was he was,

1054
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: because I'm just like the evidence, like you know, seemed

1055
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: to point to the contrary. But that's again why the

1056
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: book is such an interesting book of country. It's a

1057
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: contradiction because she's saying all the stuff, and yet even

1058
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: what she's saying counter is a counterpoint to what she's saying.

1059
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 1: But that's why I think it should you know, kids

1060
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: should read this.

1061
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 2: I like read it to see it as an example

1062
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 2: of like casual cruelty in eighteen hundreds, where you're like, oh,

1063
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 2: that's what people thought and why they were awful.

1064
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: And I think she does a good job like telling

1065
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: what life was like on the on the plane, on

1066
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 1: the planes, I mean like I feel like also in

1067
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 1: so much of history books, I'm remembering like I'm sure

1068
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: these don't exist too more, but the history books read

1069
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: like twenty years ago in school, were at the very

1070
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: end of the chapter. It's always just like and then

1071
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: like women sometimes had a soup. Like it's always just

1072
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: kind of like or you know, if you're seeing the

1073
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: great daily life is always such a like small thing.

1074
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 2: Ye, women made history and they sewed.

1075
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 1: This and like there was like a blanket and this

1076
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: is kind of all about like the sculptures was.

1077
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 2: Carrying sculptures in the wagon. So honestly, if you're interested

1078
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 2: in history, I don't know.

1079
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I give this book four out of five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. Porcupine Porcupines and dogs Dogs that

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Speaker 2: Love your Husband out of five.

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Speaker 1: Okay, great journey through the Paste.

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Speaker 2: I know. The eighteen sixties.

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Speaker 1: Wow, what a time.

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Speaker 2: Take me back fast fast.

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Speaker 1: While I was fording The Missouri, which took longer than

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Speaker 1: I was hoping for because I had a bad leg

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Speaker 1: because I kind of got run over by a wagon

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Speaker 1: outside of Minneapolis, which is so embarrassing, but I'm randomn

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Speaker 1: and my maid had just told a really funny joke. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: Darby Masters helped me forward The Missouri in her role

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Speaker 1: as producer of Our Steamer.

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Speaker 2: In the year of eighteen sixty four, I married executive

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Speaker 2: producer Christina Everett. She was about to go to war,

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Speaker 2: and so I went with her. Upon there I met

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Speaker 2: her general counsel supervising producer Abooza.

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Speaker 1: Far good guy, really good guy. Love that guy. And

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Speaker 1: then also I made the music for the show because

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Speaker 1: I was bored and it was a long winter on camp.

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Speaker 2: We were around the campfire, weren't we. Yeah, you just

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Speaker 2: came up with something on the.

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Speaker 1: Harpsichord was just did l him just diddlim the way.

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Speaker 2: In downtown Bismarck, there was an amazing gallery and I

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Speaker 2: found this artist, Teddy Blanks, and so I had him

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Speaker 2: custom make some artwork for my podcast at the time,

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Speaker 2: beautiful artwork. I sold it eventually because I was destituted

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Speaker 2: in the Bismarck area after the war. So I did

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Speaker 2: need the money, but an amazing artist. And yes we

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Speaker 2: did forward a treaty at one point with the Prologue Projects.

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Speaker 2: That treaty was broken.

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Speaker 1: We are so sorry to the Prologue tribe for breaking

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Speaker 1: that treaty. Please review our show if you could just

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Speaker 1: go to the local paper and write a review. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't take you that long, right.

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Speaker 2: Then, pobox Celebrity bookclub dot com.

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Speaker 1: We'd really appreciate it.