1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They call 6 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: Alexus code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: want you to know. This is our listener Male segment. 10 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: It's a game that we have invented in a way, 11 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: in a game that we will always thankfully lose. Rules 12 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: of the game of this Matt, Noel and myself go 13 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: through thousands upon thousands of voicemails and emails and social 14 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: media post from you, and we try our best to 15 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: narrow it down to three pieces of mail that we 16 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: will share on the show. We are always running behind, 17 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: which is a fantastic problem to have because it means 18 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: that we will keep doing listener mail about three at 19 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: a time. And then maybe, what do you think you 20 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: think we'll ever get to the end of this. No, never, 21 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: I certainly hope not. That would be terrible, Yes, yes, agreed. Uh. 22 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 1: So we have some pretty fascinating rabbit holes and responses here, 23 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: and I was thinking, if you all are okay with it, 24 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: that we start with a response to our recent episode 25 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: about faith healing, specifically the laying on of hands only 26 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: two in this instance, this is not all the various 27 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: ones that illumination will offers. Oh. I was, yeah, there, 28 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: we've got some responses to that, uh, that little chestnut 29 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: as well. Um and in general, big response to that episode. 30 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: I think it's something that fascinates a lot of people 31 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: and hurt from a lot of folks that grew up 32 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: in faith healing based religions and very divisive topic um 33 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: and very very fascinating, and I think we we got 34 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 1: some thumbs up for the way that we handled it, 35 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: and I felt really good about it as well. It 36 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: was a really fun episode, very fascinating, uh. And never 37 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: intend to denigrate anyone's beliefs or religion. And there's so 38 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: many things in this world that work for people that 39 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,119 Speaker 1: maybe a lot of people don't fully believe in or understand, 40 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: and that's why the power of belief is the best 41 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: way of kind of explaining these phenomenon um. And today 42 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: I think we're going to talk about one of those 43 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: UH in particular UM, which came up several times in 44 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: the Laying on of Hands episode, the idea of raiki. 45 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: You know, when we say faith healing, you know, I 46 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: think a lot of people associate it specifically with real 47 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: ligion and the idea of having faith in God and 48 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: it's your faith in this higher power, this deity that 49 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: is healing you UM or the idea of faith being 50 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: specifically associated with like you know, big Kent revival type gatherings. UM. 51 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: To me, faith healing is just healing, just that healing 52 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: through the power of faith and through belief. That's I 53 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: think the most simple way of looking at it. And 54 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: the idea of raiki um the ancient Chinese tradition of 55 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: laying on of hands only without actually touching. The idea 56 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: of like the what is it the not the like 57 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: the punch, like the force punch, Matt, Remember we talked 58 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: about that and in the past UH sort of related 59 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: the idea that you can funnel energy through your body 60 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: and shoot it out of your hands at somebody for 61 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: good or for ill. Remind us real quick about the 62 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: force punch. Well, I'm thinking more about just the concept 63 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: of che and the life force within all living things 64 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: and specifically humans can be harnessed and manipulated, and it 65 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: can be used to manipulate the g or the energy 66 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: life force within somebody else. Right, that's a that's essentially 67 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 1: the belief that's running there. Um and the force punch, 68 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: I'm I'm having art time recalling exactly what that was 69 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: unless that was one of the super heroes. Yeah, it 70 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: was the idea of being able to knock somebody over 71 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: by like, you know, not actually touching them, you know. Yeah, 72 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: there was a whole thing it was debunked that we 73 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: talked about with that. Yeah. The problem with that forced 74 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: punch idea is that it does seem to hinge on 75 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: the concept. None of this is the piece of listener mail, right, 76 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: I'm right on right, Okay, this is just you're just 77 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: talking about the concept. Okay. So, um, I guess before 78 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: we get that first priest, So, listener Mail, the thing 79 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: that's uh pretty solidly proven about the force punch or 80 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: the use of intangible soul life energy made tangible, it 81 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: works so long as people believe that it works. So 82 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: you can see footage that may be considered pretty damning 83 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: wherein a chi master master of force punch is attempting 84 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: to force punch someone and they go through you know, 85 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: a half dozen believers who fall forcefully to the ground, 86 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: and they run into a skeptic who, because they don't 87 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: believe in this, seem unaffected. And then yeah, fights the 88 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: ch master and like wins handily. Uh and in hand 89 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: to hand combat. There are lots of videos like that 90 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: you can see that we've seen. Yeah. Yeah, um it 91 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: does seem to have a lot to do with the 92 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: belief in a master or someone who is greater than 93 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: you who is teaching you. Um yeah, just just like 94 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: Ben said, got it just needed a little refresher on 95 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: that one. Um Raiki, on the other hand, is something 96 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: that has been studied. I think there are some you know, 97 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: attempts to debunk it, but it's another one of those 98 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: things like acupuncture, where I think there's there's evidence pro 99 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: and there's evidence against. But at the end of the day, 100 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: it's all about the individual and what they take away 101 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: from and if it makes them feel better than it's 102 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: more power to them. And the same with a lot 103 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: of less Western types of medicine, which I think we 104 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: should probably pay a little more attention to because Western 105 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: medicine is kind of a nightmare a lot of the time, 106 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: and they call it practicing medicine for for a reason. 107 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: Um But a lot of these ancient traditions have been 108 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: passed down for generations, and I misspoke at the top 109 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: of the show. Raki is as from the Japanese tradition, 110 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: and Johns Hopkins University actually has a has a whole 111 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: page dedicated to the description of of raiki, and this 112 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: is how they categorize that. Raki is a very specific 113 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: form of energy healing in which hands are placed just 114 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: off the body or lightly touching the as then laying 115 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: on of hands. Raiky can also be done long distances 116 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: as a form of prayer, according to many versions of 117 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: its origin. Dr me kaw Osai, a Japanese secret of 118 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: spiritual truths, brought the raky method of healing into human 119 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: awareness in nineteen two after a deep spiritual experience. He 120 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: is said to have begun teaching others after a serious 121 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: earthquake at Japan, and he felt urged to spread his knowledge. Um. So, 122 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: the listener mail in question today comes from a listener 123 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: that we're I'm going to remain anonymous but it's someone 124 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: describing a raiky experience. Um And here is how it goes. 125 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: She stood behind me and I could sense her hands 126 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: were near me, but not too near. I reckon, probably 127 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: about twenty centimeters away. I felt awkward and what was 128 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: probably only a minute or two stretched for what felt 129 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: like an eternity, and I thought, oh God, I've got 130 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: to do this for another twenty minutes. I tried to 131 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: push it out of my mind and relax my muscles. 132 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, I felt the sensation, this intense feeling. 133 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: When I try and describe it, it it sounds terrifying, but 134 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: at the same time it really wasn't. The only thing 135 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: I can compare it to is when I've smoked the 136 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: hallucinogenic plants salvia, except there were no vivid hallucinations or 137 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: strange sounds for me as there had been during my 138 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: salvia experience. Um. And then she goes onto a copy 139 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: and paste a description of a salvia trip from drug 140 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: Science dot org dot UK, which you can look up yourself. 141 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: But it's about as she's describing. It's very similar the 142 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: idea of feeling angular, feeling rooted to the ground, but 143 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: also a certain kind of disembodied kind of sensation, and 144 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: again also intense visual and auditory hallucinations those being lacking 145 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: in this raky experience, and she goes on after I 146 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: felt an initial whooshing and swooping sensation. That's the only 147 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: way I can describe it. I felt that I had 148 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: melted into the chair, that my feet were rooted on 149 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: the floor. My body felt heavy, but my head felt light. 150 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: The only sensation I can compare that too is the 151 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: feeling I've had just before I've passed out during a 152 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: panic attack. It felt like my head was not fully 153 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: attached anymore, and there was a tremendous sense of relief 154 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: of weight and pressure. The sounds around me became distant, 155 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: and all I could sense was the darkness, complete blackness. 156 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: I still felt as though my feet were rooted to 157 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: the ground, but now the floor had come up with me, 158 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: and I was flying upwards and speeding through the darkness. 159 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: I felt a strange sensation, as if a thick mist 160 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: or a length of silk was wrapping around my limbs 161 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: and flying around me. WHOA. So, just to be clear, 162 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: this is someone who had a raiky session or healing 163 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: session performed onto them. Okay, okay, and then just just 164 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: one more lines to wrap it up. I think eventually 165 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: I heard the ladies wrist crack and it brought me 166 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: crashing back down to reality. It had lasted twenty minutes 167 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: and I could barely remember any of it. Wow, it 168 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: calls to mind. Uh, let me call the at this 169 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: by a We are not raiky experts. I've experienced a 170 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: raiky session before in the past, but I'm you know, 171 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm not someone who would be a practitioner of it. 172 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: I don't think any of us are. But just from 173 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: that description, it sounds as if you are anonymous conspiracy 174 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: realists may have experienced some things that have a little 175 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: bit in common with hypnosis, the idea of loss of 176 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: appropriate reception, the idea of uh, maybe slippage of internal time. 177 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: And then also, and again I'm I'm just speculating here, 178 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: also the idea of that crack or snap that brings 179 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: you back to thy, back to ye like that might 180 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: be uh, there might be some commonality involved there. The 181 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: comparison to salvia is interesting as well, and I greatly 182 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: appreciate that Salvia. Of course, one of the taglines for 183 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: for that substance is your individual mileage may vary. Individual 184 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: cosmic mileage may vary, and isn't it doesn't that remain 185 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: legal in most states and available that that is a 186 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: controlled substance in a lot of places. Now, somebody didn't 187 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: used to be all right, It used to be a 188 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: lot more freely available. And that's why there was a 189 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: big Salvia kick on the Internet with people posted Salvia 190 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: videos and stuff. Yeah. I tried it once, and I 191 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: did not try to garden. I didn't drive like big 192 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: money Salvia attempting to do in so many of his 193 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 1: famous videos. But I did not have a good time. 194 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: And I was reminded of what our anonymous listener wrote there. 195 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's funny too, And we use the 196 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: phrase controlled substance, which is the accurate phrase. We strive 197 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: for accuracy. Of course, what's funny about that phrase is 198 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: I love the implication that every other substance is like 199 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: out of control, like kids go a wild on spring break. 200 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: Calcium is out there wilding in your might bust into 201 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: your house and p on your cat. You don't know, Uh, 202 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: I hope your cat. I hope your cat peees back 203 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: on them. For the record, that's not cool. You don't 204 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: be on people's cats. Yeah, it's an uncontrolled substance. Black 205 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: peppercorns everywhere, right right, they're just rioting. Uh, they're they're 206 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: like soccer hooligans. Uncontrolled substances. But yeah, there's something, there's 207 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: something interesting here. And I really like the point you 208 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: brought up, no, because when we think of these things, 209 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: you mentioned acupuncture as well. I would add maybe uh, 210 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: chiropractory like cupping like you're coming if anyone doesn't know, 211 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: it's very strange, just like literally a suction cup that 212 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: is uh, there's a pump that goes with it. You 213 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: buy these kids. I know this because my ex wife, 214 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: um was a massage is a massage therapist, and she 215 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: had this kid. And it's these like domes that you 216 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: take a little like a like it looks like a 217 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: gun and you stick it on people's skins and then 218 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: you put the gun in the little hole and you 219 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: and it sucks their flesh up inside the cup and 220 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: it leaves these giant hickey's all over your back, these 221 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: like very deep bruised looking uh circles. And you know. 222 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: The idea I think is that it is cleaning out 223 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: your of toxins or something I don't know, maybe I 224 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: do any of that. It's it doesn't it's very unpleasant, 225 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: it's it hurts. I thought it was I thought they 226 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 1: were heated. Is that something? The hot Stone massage. Hot 227 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: Stone massage is amazing. Cupping is literally like what I 228 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: just said. It makes all these crazy, dark purple hickeys 229 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: all over your back. Well, I for one, am endlessly 230 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: fascinated with the concept of raiky, of being able to 231 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: connect with someone and cleanse someone with ever without ever 232 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: touching them. Um And I am a big fan of 233 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: the A S m R versions of it, where you 234 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: just where it's a virtual key session that isn't even live, 235 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: so it doesn't meet any of the real requirements of 236 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: what a Ricky session would be. But um it's it 237 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: is one of the most relaxing things, like calming, centering 238 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: things that I've found. Um So I would recommend anyone 239 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: who is wondering what the heck we're talking about to 240 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: check something like that out and and be warned if 241 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: you have miss aphonia. Not everybody has the SMR response. 242 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: Some people have its sith lord sibling miss aphonia, which 243 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: is not accurate, uh, not inaccurate depiction, but but you're right, 244 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: those are amazing videos at least like the the a 245 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: s MR response is real. I think people dismiss raiky 246 00:14:51,960 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: and acupuncture and some similar types of relaxation or recoup creative, 247 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: if not curative treatments because of the claims made, And 248 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: it's important to know that not every practitioner of any 249 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: of these things makes the same claims, you know what 250 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: I mean. We can't forget that in the early days 251 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: of chiropractic pursuits, people may in all sorts of wild 252 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: claims about what that actually did, several of which later 253 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: were disproven pretty soundly. So I would be careful, even 254 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: if you consider yourself a hardcore skeptic, I would be 255 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: careful to remember that a lot of these practitioners are 256 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: not members of some They're not a monolithic thing, right, 257 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: They may not be making the same claims, So you 258 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: kind of have to treat people on a on a 259 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: case by case basis just to be fair to them. 260 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: That's what I would say, completely agree certainly, NOL. Did 261 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: you have like a coping experience? Did you have a 262 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: raiky experience? Yeah? Yeah, my ex uh did the cupping 263 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: on me before trying when she was practicing, and it's 264 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: something that certain people really are into. So it it 265 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: behooves practitioners of the massage arts to add that to 266 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: their portfolio. Whether they fully believe in it or not, 267 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: I guess, but she does. She she believes in a 268 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: lot of that stuff that's outside of the realm of 269 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: my understanding. Um, things like you know, crystal pendulums and 270 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: all of that that I absolutely support and fully embrace. Um. 271 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: People's beliefs and uh there whatever they feel helps them 272 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: understand themselves and others and their environment better. And a 273 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: lot of these things really do do a world of 274 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: goods for people. And whether it's the placebo effect, the 275 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: power of the mind and the power of belief, who's 276 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: it for me to say whether that's bad or whether 277 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: you're wrong? You know, I think there's a lot in 278 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: this universe that we have no idea about. We never will, um, 279 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: so why not roll the dice if something works for you? Um. 280 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, I did the cupping and I just found 281 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: that it was very unpleasant. I didn't really see any 282 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: positive benefits from it. But who's to say that others 283 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 1: agreed practitioners, proponents and opponents of raki alike let us 284 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: know your experience, you know what I mean. I want 285 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: to hear from everybody regarding this phenomenon and this practice 286 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: and its history, because, like you said, Noel, it is. 287 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 1: It is comforting, but at some level arrogant for us 288 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: to assume that we know everything about the external universe 289 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: when we don't fully understand the internal universe of the 290 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: human body and the human mind. That's it, absolutely all right, 291 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back. 292 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: Welcome back. And now we turn away from the healing 293 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: powers of the hands too. You know, and everyday job 294 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: many of us have them. Do you wake up, you 295 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: do that job, maybe you do something else and then 296 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: you go to sleep. If you're lucky, you do something else, 297 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: then you go to sleep. Well, we had someone call 298 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: in who has a job, who went to a weird place, 299 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: and he's going to tell us about it. Hi, my 300 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: name is I did not write anything down I normally do. 301 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: I was preparing for this, but I'm I'm here right now, 302 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: um at Iron Mountain Recall, and I was hoping you 303 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: guys could do an episode on this, or at least 304 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: touch base on it. Um. I'm a chruck driver. I 305 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: did a high value load, um, and I had to 306 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: have security escort. I wasn't allowed to stop, to go 307 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: to the bathroom or anything. I had to go straight 308 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: to Tempe, Arizona, and I just asked the guy what 309 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: was on board and he told me, oh, it's it's 310 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: it's paper, and it does appear to be paper documents. 311 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what's going on with this place. UM. 312 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: I tried to do a little research online about it. 313 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: I'm actually here right now getting unloaded as speaks. I'm 314 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: trying to I'll keep an eye out for him, um 315 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 1: if they come over here. But I looked at it 316 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: online and it says something about it's a place under 317 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: ground a hundred and fifty five miles or something like that. 318 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: But I don't I don't see anything like that here. 319 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: But it's just very mysterious. And the places I go 320 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: to or are highly dated, high high security, they won't 321 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: they won't let you in. You have to have a 322 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: it's a federal I D and all this other stuff 323 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: they need you to have. And I guess since I 324 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: have a completely clean background, they selected me to to 325 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: do this uh load. But um, yeah, if you guys 326 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,239 Speaker 1: could just touch Base again on I just mentioned it 327 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: or something on the show. Um, Iron Mountain recall, I'm 328 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,479 Speaker 1: trying to get more information about it, but I don't know. 329 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: But again, it was a high dollar load of high 330 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: value but it was only paper documents, so I guess 331 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: they're going to get shredded or something. And then they 332 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 1: were taken from here to like Mexico or other places 333 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: once they're shredded, So I'm not care about that. But yeah, 334 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: I just just thought you guys should know that thanks 335 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: of a great day. Whoa a message from within the facility? 336 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: How cold is that? Yeah? Thank you? Thank you for 337 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: calling us. Uh. And also now this is one of 338 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: those messages that makes me want to hear an update. 339 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: Did you make it out? You know, because there's something 340 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's exciting to hear. I'll keep an eye 341 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: out in case they're coming, but we want to make 342 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: sure that you and anyone calling is first and foremost safe, 343 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: at least physically. Uh, Iron Mountain. You know. It's it's 344 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: strange we never talked about this before, Matt, because there's 345 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: this is funny story about Iron Mountain. I used to 346 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: always see them at various road trips and stuff. And 347 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: I just assume they were like a defense company or 348 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: a mining company because they were everywhere. But uh, but 349 00:20:54,400 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: they started as a mushroom company. Yeah. In is I 350 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: think maybe something like that. Um Iron Mountain if you've 351 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: never heard of it, giant, giant storage and security firm 352 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: that specializes in all kinds of things. One of the 353 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 1: main ones is storing government documents and other highly highly 354 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: important private documents, so from any corporation company that you 355 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: can imagine, and they are ubiquitous with this concept of shredding, 356 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: like to protect corporations, the the i P and the 357 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: data of companies, but also keeping records in massive facilities 358 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: and not using you know, some some steel building or 359 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: something to protect your stuff. No, using literally mountains to 360 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: to protect things. It's incredible. Do you I don't even 361 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: know how wherever you want to start with this guy's 362 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: ben Do you want to keep going down the history 363 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: just kind of like what this thing is and how 364 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: it was started? Sure? Yes, So Iron Mountain is nowadays, 365 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: as you said, Matt, it's a corporation that handles enormously 366 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: sensitive documents in the public and private sector. Uh. They 367 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: are known for what may seem like overkill in terms 368 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: of their protection and in terms of their uh, their methods, right, 369 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: but especially their location. But they're they're global. They're in 370 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: the US, but they're also in Europe, Latin America. Uh, 371 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: they're on the African and Asian continents. I believe that 372 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: over of the fortune one thousand companies use Iron Mountain 373 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: like they have. They have this unlock. And uh, it's 374 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: interesting because it starts out as a mushroom company, right, 375 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: and it shifts in ninety because the mushroom market is 376 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: not the house you on. Days of the mushroom market 377 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: are done, right, mushrooms are over mushrooms with bust. As 378 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: far as the Iron Mountain founder Hermannnounced is concerned, and uh, 379 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: he has an ore mine where he grew all these mushrooms. 380 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: And essentially what he says is, well, the mushrooms, but 381 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,959 Speaker 1: I got this mine. What can I do with that? 382 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: It's depleted, so he can't mind anything of value in there. 383 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: He can, however, maybe store stuff used it as a 384 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: storage space, right, Yeah, he can protect. He could protect 385 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 1: the crap out of some stuff in a mountain. You 386 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: put a big enough door on a mountain, you're good 387 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, I mean if Lord of the Rings 388 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: is taught as anything, right, it's really a mountain, like 389 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: it's mining in a mountain. Yeah, and this came in 390 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,479 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties, so we have to remember this is the 391 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: post World War two atomic era right where where the 392 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 1: Cold War is getting the dial turned up a little 393 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: bit every day. I mean, if you go to Iron 394 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: Mountain dot com, they don't say anything about an actual mountain. 395 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: I just want to point yeah, they do in their 396 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: history section. Actually they are burying the leader. They make 397 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: it look like it's a bunch of smiling faces of 398 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 1: like dudes in like workmen kind of outfits, like pushing 399 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: around hoppers of like presumably shredded paper or paper to 400 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: be shredded. But they're advertising it is this like very friendly, 401 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,479 Speaker 1: light corporate shredding service. You know. I would say a 402 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: lot of companies that deal directly with Iron Mountain are 403 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: dealing with Yeah, the fresh faced employees that you're you're 404 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: hanging out with that are showing up to your facility 405 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: to collect, you know, vital records to then send for 406 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: storage or for destruction. Um, that's really what it is. 407 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: But at the heart of Iron Mountain, you've got hardened 408 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,479 Speaker 1: people who have been protecting the crap out of stuff 409 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: inside mountains for years, decades. Even I'm totally joking, I'm 410 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: making I do what you're right now. You're pointed me. 411 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 1: I missed this. That's buried a little bit in their 412 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 1: menu structure. But yeah, there's a there's a company history, 413 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: uh section, And apparently the gentleman who founded Iron Mountain, 414 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: mr Mr Knaust maybe the case Silent only paid nine 415 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: grand in nineteen thirty six dollars for this depleted iron 416 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: ore mine and a hundred acres of associated land. Um 417 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: fascinating stuff. Man. So wait, so our our caller had 418 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: a like a security detail, So that just means it 419 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: couldn't doesn't necessarily means nefarious, It just means it could 420 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: be high They said it was a high value load, 421 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: meaning it could be just important documents, not necessarily documents 422 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: that need to be disappeared. But companies shred stuff all 423 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: the time. Like what what what would what would constitute 424 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: a like a a corporate espionage you're trying to prevent perhaps, 425 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: or what do you think biance records? A ton of 426 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: it is compliance records, But that's not all I mean, 427 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: you can obviously speculate. Who knows all the things that 428 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: Iron Mountain has done over you know, the years for 429 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: its paying customers, right, don't don't forget you're paying customers 430 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: that are trusting you as a company to either protect 431 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: or destroy. Do you think so that's really other than 432 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: that it's a transaction, a private transaction between companies. Unless 433 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: you're dealing with like compliant companies that are public, right, 434 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: then things can get a little weird. Come on, come on, 435 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: Iron Mountain. You know you can tread it some weird stuff. 436 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, don't ask you questions. It's not their job 437 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: to even know what the right what? What do you 438 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 1: carry paper? You know? That's like that's I think it 439 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: also gets complicated when we're talking about UH carrying stuff 440 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: for governments, because governments change hands or they sorry, we 441 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: have this, we have this thing where government's at the 442 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,959 Speaker 1: very least appear to change hands in terms of uh, 443 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: the the elected officials. But we know that a lot 444 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: of bureaucrats UH live on for decades regardless of who 445 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: is which political party is in power. UH, And they're 446 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: probably the people who have the most solidly established relationship 447 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: with Iron Mountain. UH, So maybe they have the ability 448 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: to tell people when to move stuff, when to shred it, 449 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: how to shred it? What can? Never? What can? What 450 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,719 Speaker 1: has to go into the mountain and never return to 451 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: the surface world. Just before we go any further, you 452 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: may be thinking, oh, there's one iron mountain. There's a 453 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: big iron mountain called Iron Mountain where stuff goes in 454 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: and out of and that's it. No, no, no no, no, no, 455 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: no no no. This company has over fourteen hundred facilities. 456 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: Some of those are business offices. Some of those are 457 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: high security locations, like the one our caller went to. 458 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: How when you're actually mountains though, mad that's what everyone 459 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: wants to know. Well, there are several that are underground 460 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: at least right um and underneath rock like serious rock. 461 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: Maybe not inside a mountain. Um. There's one that we 462 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: were reading about. It was completed in I believe if 463 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: I'm reading this American Security Today article correctly, a one 464 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five thousand square foot facility that has 465 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: a total capacity of one point five million cubic feet 466 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: of storage. Picture picture that's seen. I know what you're thinking. 467 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: I know I can't be the only one thinking this, folks. 468 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: Picture that's seen at the end of Indiana Jones and yeah, 469 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,719 Speaker 1: what's that argu the governant want you know where they 470 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: have top men looking at at this mysterious artifact, and uh, 471 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, they pan out and it's this enormous warehouse somewhere. 472 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: I give you, I give you ten to ten odds, 473 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: but I don't know much about gambling. I don't know 474 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: what those odds mean. But I bet you it is 475 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: Iron Mountain at the heart of it, or that's what 476 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: the screenwriter was thinking, or or a twist, a twist 477 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: connection to something we posed for a movie in our 478 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: last episode, Um, it's just mountains and mountains of shredded 479 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: mail in ballots, go. I do what I do think 480 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: there is an important differentiation that we must make when 481 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: we talk about Iron Mountain. This is a real company, 482 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: is a huge corporation. It has a lot of power, uh, 483 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: and it doesn't sometimes get as much scrutiny as it 484 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: should in the public eye just because paperwork. What do 485 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: you think, if you're the average person, you think it's boring, right, 486 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: No one is. It's a very few people are excited 487 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: about the idea of literal mountains worth of paperwork. But 488 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:06,959 Speaker 1: there is a um tangentially related conspiracy theory. It all 489 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: pertains to a book, and I'm sure you guys have 490 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: heard of this, a book called The Report from Iron Mountain. 491 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: Is this familiar to anybody? So that came out in 492 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven. And for those who believe this is 493 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: a legit uh publication, and it was at New York 494 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: Times bestseller by the way, UH. For those who believe 495 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: it was a legit publication, it appears to be a 496 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: leak from some shadowy government associated think tank that you know, 497 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: as you would assume from the title, is based somehow 498 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: an Iron Mountain. Uh. And people believe that this is 499 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: one of those times where the truth got out there 500 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: and it was a powerful truth that was uh somehow 501 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: later suppressed, despite the fact that this was again a 502 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: New York Times bestseller and published in fifteen different languages. Well, 503 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: I'm just pointing that out. The thing is, in nineteen 504 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: seventy two, uh, eider named Leonard Lewin came forward and said, yeah, 505 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: I wrote it. It's fake. It's satire. Do you guys 506 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: think that stopped that stopped the controversy? No? Well, and 507 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: at the heart of it, you're still talking about the 508 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: security company essentially that must keep quiet about what it's doing, 509 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: its operations, who its customers are. I mean, it has to, 510 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: at least to an extent in order to protect itself. 511 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: The more information that gets out about any of those things, 512 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: the less secure everything is. So you can only imagine 513 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: that in that environment of non transparency, right Like like Ben, 514 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: we say on this show all the time, whenever you've 515 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: got a little bit of a fog there or an 516 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: inability to know exactly what's going on, that's when the 517 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: rumors begin to fly and the many times the things 518 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: that we would call conspiracy theories are born there. I'm 519 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: just putting it out here. It's the one we were 520 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: talking about in Land was put in Prince George's County, 521 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: which uh is right there in d C. That's interesting, 522 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: So that's going to be all government records. Um. The 523 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: one in Arizona. Somewhere in Arizona where our caller went to. 524 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: I am having a very hard time finding what that 525 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: facility is. Uh. If any of you guys see anything, 526 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: I think I saw. It wasn't in Tempe. I saw 527 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: something in Phoenix. But they've got so many facilities around 528 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: the whole country. Who knows, and with that, we're gonna 529 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: keep looking into this. It's very interesting stuff for us, 530 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure it is for you to We'll let you 531 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: know if we hear anything from our caller, any updates, 532 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: And for now we're gonna take a quick break, come 533 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: back with another story. And we have returned. Our last 534 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: piece of listener mail comes from and Marie are and 535 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: Emory right in to give us firsthand experience on a 536 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: cruise ship, But not the way most people think. You're 537 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: not telling us about the world of pain passengers. You're 538 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,479 Speaker 1: telling us about the often obscured life of the people 539 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: whose staff and crew cruise ships. Unfortunately, we don't have 540 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: the time to dive uh too deep into this, so 541 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: it makes dive into the cruise ships, oh man. But 542 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: we we are able to explore some things that that 543 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: I think people should know. It turns out, you guys, 544 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: that some of our uh speculation is correct. So I'd 545 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: like to share with you an excerpt from Amory's correspondence 546 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: there is she says, so much shady stuff you know 547 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: about going on there. As far as I know, no 548 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: cruise companies are based in the US, and likely not 549 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: officially in any first world country, even if their offices 550 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: are in Europe or what have you. The actual ships 551 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: usually sail under the flags of island nations with little 552 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: regulation to avoid paying taxes to basically anyone who might 553 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: charge them a lot or look into how they operate. 554 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: The work actually occurs in international waters and therefore are 555 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: they are not beholden to any labor law or probably 556 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 1: most laws in general, beyond maritime international standards. She goes 557 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: on to say, the food offered to the crew is 558 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: not what you see at the buffet. Some cruise has 559 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: claimed to offer health insurance, but what they mean is 560 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: that if a doctor will treat you for basic ailments, 561 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: if anything serious happens to you as a crew member, 562 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 1: you are disembarked a k a. Kicked off the boat, 563 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 1: and it's up to management how much or how little 564 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: they will offer to pay for your care and when 565 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: or if you are able to return to work. Contracts 566 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: are on a four to ten month basis, depending on 567 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 1: your department, and you may or may not be asked 568 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: to return. They do not have to have any cause 569 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 1: to fire you, let alone ask you back for renewal. 570 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: The rules on board are extremely strict and then Emery 571 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: go on to list some of the reasons people have 572 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: been dismissed, including things like having hard liquor in their rooms, 573 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: missing cabin inspection, misreporting g I symptoms meaning they ate 574 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: something weird, and uh, they didn't feel like they should 575 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: tell the doctors, drunkenness, fraternizing with guests, and then many 576 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: I love this phrase, many more ridiculous things I am 577 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: grateful to have forgotten. She talks about the strong hierarchy 578 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,839 Speaker 1: on board with regards to crew than staff, than officers, 579 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: and then said, needless to say, sexual escapades, affairs, etcetera 580 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,720 Speaker 1: abound at the level of reality TV. Truly, no show 581 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 1: could possibly do it justice. And this is just one 582 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,240 Speaker 1: of the one of the letters that we've received from 583 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: cruise ship crew and staff profess estionals. And I wanted 584 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: to bring this to our audience because I think there 585 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: really is a life behind the curtain that a lot 586 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,439 Speaker 1: of people are not aware of. Here. Uh, did did 587 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: any of this surprise you guys as much as it 588 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: surprised me? Yeah, this is very surprising. Um again, I've 589 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: only been on one cruise ship before. Um, I felt 590 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: like some of these things were true, but hearing it 591 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: from the side of someone who has been there, who 592 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: you know, has seen the employee only areas. Um, it's 593 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: exciting and harrowing at the same time, I guess. Um 594 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: getting a look behind the curtain is always an interesting 595 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 1: thing for us. But just to know that there the 596 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: people who are there on a cruise ship to make you, 597 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: as the customer, feel great and like you're having this 598 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,879 Speaker 1: wonderful time. If there's any kind of mistreatment happening behind 599 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: the scenes, you definitely um, kind of makes kind of 600 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,280 Speaker 1: makes the mood go down a little bit, makes sours 601 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: things a little bit, right. Sure, it's the kind of 602 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: stuff I mean, not to say abuse or anything like that, 603 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 1: but it's the kind of stuff you hear about, you know, 604 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 1: some of the back coves and hallways Disney World where 605 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,280 Speaker 1: cast members have to hang out and they're not allowed 606 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: to take their heads off, and you know what I mean, 607 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: And I mean, I look, I understand it's all about 608 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: maintaining the illusion, but it is, after all an illusion, 609 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: and most of the space is devoted to keeping the 610 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: guests happy and and it's maybe a little less devoted 611 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: to you now. Having the most luxurious digs for for 612 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: the for the folks that are working behind the scenes. Um, 613 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: it's just about math, right, yeah, yeah, And you know 614 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 1: we've seen similar things said about amusement parks or Disney, 615 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: But what's different here is that in an amusement park, 616 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,399 Speaker 1: we're talking about something based on land, something that if 617 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: push comes to shove, people are able to leave in 618 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: s much are easy to do that than it is 619 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 1: to leave a cruise ship in international waters. And the 620 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: stuff about the labor laws should be profoundly disturbing to 621 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: anyone hearing this. Now. Uh, one thing that really stood 622 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 1: out to me there. I had the naive assumption that 623 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,919 Speaker 1: the crew was at least compensated and like really top 624 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: notch food, but it doesn't appear to be the case. 625 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:30,280 Speaker 1: The health insurance stuff seems incredibly dangerous. Uh. The hierarchy 626 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: makes sense to me, just because that seems to be 627 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 1: how a lot of ships and hey, that's how a 628 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: lot of theater operates as well. But with this in mind, 629 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,399 Speaker 1: we want to say, and no uncertain terms, that we're 630 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,320 Speaker 1: not We're not saying every cruise ship empire is built 631 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 1: to victimize their staff. We are saying that there's a 632 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: lot of stuff these institutions can get away with it. 633 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to know from you guys, Matt Noel has 634 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,399 Speaker 1: reading about this stuff that our listeners have sent has 635 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 1: has this influenced your future possibility of hopping on a 636 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: cruise line. I never really been on the top of 637 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: my vacation destination dream plans. Um. Not to say that 638 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it, But knowing what we now know 639 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: about the international water stuff in terms of like tax evasion, um, 640 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: in terms of skirting some of these other laws, maybe 641 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: wouldn't even be on my list at all. Maybe would 642 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,359 Speaker 1: be like way down, like like I'd go on a 643 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: free one. But well, I'm looking for a gig as 644 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: a drummer anywhere, and if a cruise ship will have me, 645 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: I'll take it. I will take the shared small bunk room, 646 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 1: I'll take the employee meals. Um, I'm down. I just 647 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: I just wanna play music every night. Do you know 648 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 1: all the drum fills from God's Spell by memory? No, 649 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: probably not that musical, But I'm sure there are as 650 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,799 Speaker 1: that I could I could do it, um, But I'm 651 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: joking here. I I certainly think of the current times 652 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: of being aware of pandemic situations are going to prevent 653 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,840 Speaker 1: us and everyone else from getting on a cruise for 654 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: a long long time. But yeah, knowing how the sausage 655 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: is made certainly also shifts that calculus. Would you go 656 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: on that ghost cruise ship tour of the harbor all day? 657 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: I've been twice since we made that episode. I flew 658 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 1: out there immediately. Uh No, but I do. I certainly 659 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: want to do that. I want to go on a 660 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: on a tour of the ghost tours sort of like 661 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,359 Speaker 1: whale watching, you know what I mean. Like, I want 662 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 1: to like be one layer removed. Very meta. I don't 663 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. It's it's been a long day. 664 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: I think, Matt. I would also take a gig getting 665 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,279 Speaker 1: where I could get it. I would. I would front 666 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: band or participate in a band, honestly in any dand 667 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,839 Speaker 1: that Uh have you or uh So? I don't think 668 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 1: I'm at the point where I could say no. Boats. 669 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 1: Uh those are? Those are? That's pretty rarefied air. But 670 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 1: you were mentioned in this email because Amory says, as 671 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,839 Speaker 1: Matt mentioned, it is a great job, particularly for a 672 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: young performer. The pay is usually at least decent. You 673 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: travel the world and get to meet incredible lifelong friends 674 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: in an international setting. So I want to make sure 675 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 1: established that it's not all bad. It's not all g 676 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:36,799 Speaker 1: I infections and and terrible medical conditions, but there is 677 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff they don't want you to know, 678 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 1: those being the cruise companies in particular about life working 679 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 1: on a cruise ship. And with that, we have a 680 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: call out for everybody listening to the show if you 681 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 1: have experience with the cruise ship industry, we want more 682 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,439 Speaker 1: details from you. Thanks to A Marie and everybody else 683 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 1: to root in thanks to our anonymous call or that 684 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,280 Speaker 1: we are hoping made it safely out of Iron Mountain 685 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: in Arizona, and of course thinks also to our first 686 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:11,320 Speaker 1: anonymous conspiracy realists who wrote to us about the specifics 687 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,399 Speaker 1: and a bit of the controversy surrounding raiky energy. Yes, 688 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 1: if you would like to be featured on one of 689 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 1: these episode, please give us a call at one three 690 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: three s t d w y t K, where you 691 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: can leave us as a voice message, or two if 692 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: you need a little bit more time, but try to 693 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 1: be concise. 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