WEBVTT - #701 Packers Unscripted: Draft preview via roster rundown

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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<v Speaker 1>Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford. He is the

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<v Speaker 1>one and only Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you from

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<v Speaker 1>Parts Unknown inside lambeau Field for another pre draft edition

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<v Speaker 1>of our show. Wes and I think what we'll do

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<v Speaker 1>on this show For those who have been following on

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<v Speaker 1>the website, this week, we started a position by position

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<v Speaker 1>roster review series, something that we do annually. We take

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<v Speaker 1>a look at just where the Packers roster stands at

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<v Speaker 1>each position across the board, assessing the level of need

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of depth or possibly immediate help, all of

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<v Speaker 1>those kinds of things heading into the draft. So we'll

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<v Speaker 1>do the same thing right here on this show. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course, starting at quarterback. We talked on our last

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<v Speaker 1>show the transition to Jordan Love is underway. The only

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<v Speaker 1>backup quarterback on the roster right now is Danny Etling,

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<v Speaker 1>the former LSU starter, And while the Packers certainly like

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<v Speaker 1>what Ettling brings to the table and the possibility of

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<v Speaker 1>some more development there, you have to believe at some

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<v Speaker 1>point there's a good chance the Packers are going to

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<v Speaker 1>take a quarterback in this draft to fortify that position.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean the Packers have ten picks in this

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<v Speaker 2>draft coming up. Michael. We know the situation where, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Packers historically have not been a team that has

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<v Speaker 2>gone out and paid for a five six million dollar

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<v Speaker 2>a year backup, Why would you when you have Aaron Rodgers,

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<v Speaker 2>They've tended to go more on the young side of

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<v Speaker 2>things and developing their number two guy. So in my

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<v Speaker 2>in my thought process, I think that makes total sense

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<v Speaker 2>for green Bay right now. There's a few names still

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<v Speaker 2>on the market. You know, you're Matt Ryan's, although who

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<v Speaker 2>knows what he wants to do, Carson Wentz, Mason Rudolph Teddy, Bridgewater.

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<v Speaker 2>But by and large, to my eye, it seems like

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<v Speaker 2>this would be the right year to bring somebody in,

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<v Speaker 2>have them compete with Ettling for that number two job,

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of roll the ball from there. Has had

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<v Speaker 2>three years to work with Aaron Rodgers. Now that's not

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<v Speaker 2>to say a thirty year old quarterback, a thirty five

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<v Speaker 2>year old quarterback still couldn't help him and bring him

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<v Speaker 2>along and you know, give him some pointers, much like

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<v Speaker 2>you know Chad Henny did with with Patrick Mahomes here

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<v Speaker 2>the past few years in Kansas City. But I just

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<v Speaker 2>think the Packers' process has been pretty proven. You think

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<v Speaker 2>back to two thousand and eight when there was the

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<v Speaker 2>transition from Aaron from Brett Farv to Aaron Rodgers. Ted

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<v Speaker 2>Thompson dipped twice into the draft. He took Brian Brom

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<v Speaker 2>in the second round in Matt Flynn the seventh Brom

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<v Speaker 2>didn't work out, Flynn did, and the Packers ultimately found

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<v Speaker 2>their backup quarterback for the next four years.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when you talk about that, that idea of a

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<v Speaker 1>veteran backup quarterback, I think the Packers would love to

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<v Speaker 1>have one of those. I just don't know if their

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<v Speaker 1>salary cap situation is going to allow them to pay

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<v Speaker 1>what it's going to take to bring one of those

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<v Speaker 1>guys in now. Of course, they haven't done it yet,

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<v Speaker 1>so the longer things go on, the more the prices drop,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll see what happened there. But I do think

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<v Speaker 1>this is a year the Packers are going to draft

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<v Speaker 1>a quarterback. My question to you is when do you

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<v Speaker 1>think maybe they start seriously looking at quarterbacks, Because as

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get into going forward here, with the number of

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<v Speaker 1>needs on this roster and some of some spots where

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<v Speaker 1>you are looking for some help right away to contribute

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty three, I don't see the Packers really

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<v Speaker 1>looking all that seriously at quarterbacks until maybe the third day,

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<v Speaker 1>like the fourth round is maybe the earliest I would

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<v Speaker 1>think the Packers would look at drafting a quarterback. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think, Yeah, fourth.

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<v Speaker 2>Or fifth, I mean, depending on if there's somebody that

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<v Speaker 2>you like that maybe is a little bit more under

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<v Speaker 2>the radar, maybe you can sneak one into the sixth

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<v Speaker 2>or seventh. But I agree with you, Michael, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it's the same thing. And we'll talk about running backs

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<v Speaker 2>here shortly. But you know some people talking about, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>when will the Packers could they potentially take a running back?

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't know if you have that luxury this year.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you feel good about you know, Aaron Jones

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<v Speaker 2>and Ag Dillon and certainly Jordan Love is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be the guys. I've said all along. If it's not

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron Rodgers, it's going to be Jordan Love under center.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think you got to help put as many

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<v Speaker 2>resources around him as possible while also fortifying that defense.

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<v Speaker 2>And as we'll talk about at the end here too,

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<v Speaker 2>you still really don't have a kicker on this roster either,

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<v Speaker 2>so could that come into play. There are only ten

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<v Speaker 2>picks that at the Packers currently have at the time

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<v Speaker 2>in which we're taping this in a lot of different

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<v Speaker 2>address needs to address.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well you mentioned running backs, so we'll move right

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<v Speaker 1>on to that position. It's pretty simple the way it

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<v Speaker 1>lays out. You have Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon as

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<v Speaker 1>the one two punch at that position for really the

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<v Speaker 1>third straight year. Now that that duo will be at

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the depth chart, Patrick Taylor and Tyler

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<v Speaker 1>Goodson are the two still young developing prospects behind those guys,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think the Packers are going to look

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<v Speaker 1>to build up the depth at the running back position.

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<v Speaker 1>The question everybody is asking, though, of course, is if

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<v Speaker 1>Jean Robinson from Texas is there at number fifteen in

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<v Speaker 1>the first round, how tempted will Brian Gutakunz be to

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<v Speaker 1>potentially go that high with running back when Aaron Jones

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<v Speaker 1>is only under contract for two more years. AJ Dillon

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<v Speaker 1>is in the final year of his rookie deal. My

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<v Speaker 1>answer to that, if your evaluators are saying Robinson is

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<v Speaker 1>the next Barry Sanders, then yeah, go for it, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you really think that that's who this

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<v Speaker 1>guy can be, then you probably don't pass up on him.

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<v Speaker 1>But outside of that, I agree with what you said

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<v Speaker 1>moments earlier that it's really a luxury that the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>probably cannot afford given the state of their roster at

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<v Speaker 1>other positions and players that are going to be available

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<v Speaker 1>in those first and second rounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And if it's me, Mike and I'm thinking that, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the next Barry Sanders, I'm calling up the

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<v Speaker 2>Dallas Cowboys and saying, hey, this is the next Barry Sanders.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys like to work. That's right here. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Robinson is an exceptional talent, but the Packers drafted AJ

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<v Speaker 2>Dillon three years ago in the second round. That was

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<v Speaker 2>a huge, huge investment that they made in a running

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<v Speaker 2>back at that spot. To do it thirty spots earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>I think would be really dangerous. I like Patrick Taylor

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. I've liked him since he came out of Memphis.

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<v Speaker 2>He's had the foot injury. He obviously has been up

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<v Speaker 2>and down off the practice squad, but for a long time,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike I made the comparisons between him and James Starks.

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<v Speaker 2>He is a tall, strong running back that I think

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<v Speaker 2>is fitting really well as a number three. Certainly you

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<v Speaker 2>want to bring in another guy to compete for that role.

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<v Speaker 2>You definitely need to have one on the practice squad

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<v Speaker 2>as well. But the way I look at it, yes

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<v Speaker 2>there are questions about running back next year, but right

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<v Speaker 2>now there are none. Packers have questions otherwhere in other spots.

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<v Speaker 2>I look at Jones and Dylan and keeping that combination going,

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<v Speaker 2>especially with how much you're going to need to rely

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<v Speaker 2>on the veterans there in pass protection as you pass

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<v Speaker 2>catchers out of the backfield. It's going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>big year for them to have a big.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when you can find Jamal Williams in the fourth round,

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<v Speaker 1>when you can find Aaron Jones in the fifth round.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, again, outside of that, you know the Barry

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<v Speaker 1>Sanders or Tony Dorsett evaluation or whatever it might be.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't see the Packers using a really high

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<v Speaker 1>pick on a running back in this draft, though. I

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<v Speaker 1>do think they will address the position at some point

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<v Speaker 1>within the ten picks, or perhaps they may have more

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<v Speaker 1>than ten picks when this is all said and done.

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<v Speaker 1>Wide receivers and tight ends. Everybody wants us to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about him. It's what everybody has been talking about. We

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<v Speaker 1>touched on it on our last show. It's pretty clear

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<v Speaker 1>how the depth chart sits at both of those spots.

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<v Speaker 1>Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs are your top two guys

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<v Speaker 1>at wide receiver. Josiah Deguarre and Tyler Davis are your

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<v Speaker 1>top two guys at tight end. Elsewhere, at wide receiver

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<v Speaker 1>you have SAMARRII Ture, the seventh round pick from last

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<v Speaker 1>year who did catch one touchdown pass and his limited

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<v Speaker 1>playing time as a rookie. And then you have developmental

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<v Speaker 1>prospects Bowl Melton Jeff bo Melton is one fast dude.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say that I don't know too much more about him,

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<v Speaker 1>but the guy can run, that's for sure. At tight

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<v Speaker 1>end a couple of other developmental prospects as well, Austin Allen,

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Gamos. If I'm saying that correctly, hopefully I am.

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<v Speaker 1>But wide receiver and tight end west these are two

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<v Speaker 1>positions that the Packers are almost certainly going to address

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<v Speaker 1>and possibly address with multiple picks in this draft. Considering

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<v Speaker 1>the stockpile of picks that Brian Gudokunz is taking into

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<v Speaker 1>this three day extravaganza.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I have four positions that I think probably

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<v Speaker 2>are the top candidates to be taken in the first

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<v Speaker 2>two days, and certainly I don't think it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>come as a surprise to too many people. It's tight end,

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<v Speaker 2>it's potentially offensive tackle, and it's edge rusher. If you

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<v Speaker 2>can also add a receiver into that, I think it

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<v Speaker 2>would be really a positive for this team because the

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<v Speaker 2>fact of the matter is Michael the player that has

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<v Speaker 2>played in the most games right now at receiver for

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<v Speaker 2>the Packers is Christian Watson. The receiver that's seen the

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<v Speaker 2>most playing time so far as a receiver on this

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<v Speaker 2>roster is Romeo Dobbs at like five hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>nine snaps or something like that. You need more bodies

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<v Speaker 2>in that room. You feel good about Watson and Dobbs,

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<v Speaker 2>but if an injury happens, who's the next man up.

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<v Speaker 2>Great opportunities there for two Ray and Melton to make

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<v Speaker 2>this ball club. But I know it's funny. I just

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<v Speaker 2>get done talking about how I don't know if the

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<v Speaker 2>Packers it can be a luxury enough to take a Robinson,

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<v Speaker 2>But then I've completely fallen in love with Jackson Smith

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<v Speaker 2>and Jigba during this whole draft process, learning more about him,

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<v Speaker 2>seeing the fifteen catches for three hundred and forty seven

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<v Speaker 2>yards and three touchdowns at Ohio State. The two big

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<v Speaker 2>knocks against him are the fact that he was lining

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<v Speaker 2>up next to Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson. But Michael,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel pretty good about having Christian Watson and Romeo

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<v Speaker 2>Dobbs is a one two here in Green Bay. And

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<v Speaker 2>then furthermore, I mean, the kid fits a huge need

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<v Speaker 2>in the slot. I think that's where the Packers need

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<v Speaker 2>to find a body in this draft, whether it's js

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<v Speaker 2>N or not, I think the Packers need to find

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<v Speaker 2>a guy that fills that Randal Cob type of role.

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<v Speaker 2>They tried it two years ago with a Mari Rodgers.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't work out, but finding someone that knows how

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<v Speaker 2>to navigate the middle of the field is gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>really critical. I feel for Jordan Love in his first

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<v Speaker 2>year as a starting quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, what's intriguing to me about Jackson Smith

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<v Speaker 1>Jigbo when you talk about putting a guy in the slot,

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<v Speaker 1>is this is not some one hundred and seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>pounds slot receiver. This is a young man who's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and ninety plus, pushing you know, the the

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<v Speaker 1>mid one nineties in terms of size. Obviously, the production

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<v Speaker 1>that he had in college speaks for itself. Didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>the final year at Ohio State that everybody was anticipating

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<v Speaker 1>because of injuries. But he's that guy that's that's right

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<v Speaker 1>in between the size of that, you know, really small

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<v Speaker 1>slot receiver and then a bigger receiver like a Christian Watson.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not normally a guy who really likes the

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<v Speaker 1>small receivers at all, but I have to say this

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<v Speaker 1>about Jordan Addison from USC. This guy is he's only

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<v Speaker 1>what five nine or five ten, and I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>think he's one hundred and eighty pounds. I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>in the one seventies. But what's really intriguing about him,

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<v Speaker 1>if the Packers are going to possibly think about going

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<v Speaker 1>this route, is that he's not one of these high

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<v Speaker 1>production college receivers that's just some product of a system.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy produced at Pitt. Then he transferred to USC,

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<v Speaker 1>learned a new system, brand new quarterback, the whole thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and he went crazy there too, and put up all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of numbers. So you talk about a guy who

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<v Speaker 1>might be able to just step in, learn a new offense,

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<v Speaker 1>and start to work with a new quarterback. Addison is

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<v Speaker 1>intriguing in that way to me. And the other one

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<v Speaker 1>who caught my eye when I was working on our

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<v Speaker 1>prospect Primer series and for those who want to check

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<v Speaker 1>it out, lots of videos and some little thumbnail sketches

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<v Speaker 1>on our website of some of these prospects Quinton Johnston

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<v Speaker 1>from TCU. As soon as I started looking into this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>what I couldn't escape was that Quinton Johnston is Christian Watson,

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<v Speaker 1>except he runs a four to five instead of a

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<v Speaker 1>four to three. He's the same body type, he looks

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<v Speaker 1>like the exact same receiver. He's just not the speed

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<v Speaker 1>burner that that Watson is. And there are questions about

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<v Speaker 1>his hands and all that. Well, that's what we heard

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<v Speaker 1>about Christian Watson too, right all leading up to the

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<v Speaker 1>draft and in the early part of his rookie year.

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<v Speaker 1>So those are just a couple of names that have

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<v Speaker 1>that have caught my eye through this process. Now that

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<v Speaker 1>being said, if the Packers are only going to have

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<v Speaker 1>the one first round pick at at fifteen. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if wide receiver rises to the to the level

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<v Speaker 1>of uh of where you know you take one. But

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm with you on on Jackson Smith jig, but

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<v Speaker 1>that would be that would be a difficult guy in

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<v Speaker 1>some respects to pass on. As far as tight end

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<v Speaker 1>is concerned, I think everybody's talking about the top four

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<v Speaker 1>prospects at that position, right Michael Meyer from Notre Dame,

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<v Speaker 1>Dalton Kincaid from Utah, Darnell Washington from Georgia, and Luke

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<v Speaker 1>Musgrave from Oregon State. Now, the first two are considered

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<v Speaker 1>potential first round guys. The other two are being looked at,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe more as second rounders, although you never know how

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<v Speaker 1>this thing goes. What are your thoughts on tight end

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<v Speaker 1>and just maybe what the packers might do or what

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<v Speaker 1>they're looking at there.

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<v Speaker 2>Dalton Kincaid is going to be the decision, I think ultimately,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think he's going to be there at fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>based on everything I've seen. And when you see this

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<v Speaker 2>many mock drafts, Michael, that have people incredible NFL pundits

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<v Speaker 2>having Kinkaid going to the Packers at fifteen, that tells

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<v Speaker 2>you that the word hasn't quite circled as far as

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<v Speaker 2>him going higher than that. I feel like if he's there,

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to be the decision that Green Bay is

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<v Speaker 2>going to have to make for the first time in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three years. Do we take a tight end right away?

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<v Speaker 2>This a kid that is going to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>catch the ball. He's the most pro ready prospect of

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<v Speaker 2>the bunch, probably more of the receiver build than a

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<v Speaker 2>traditional tight end build, but incredibly productive a lot like

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<v Speaker 2>Smith and Jigba, incredibly incredibly productive inside the field, is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be able to be a mismatch for defensive

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<v Speaker 2>back and also fearless at the point of catch. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very excited to see what happens with him and

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<v Speaker 2>what his pro career is going to look like. Me personally,

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<v Speaker 2>the player I fell in love with from the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>even before he got to the combine was Darnell Washington.

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<v Speaker 2>Because right now, as we talk right now, Michael, the

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<v Speaker 2>Packers do not have Marcedes Lewis under contract. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what's going to happen there with Sadies next season.

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<v Speaker 2>They need a traditional inline tight end in this offense.

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<v Speaker 2>Unless Matt Lafleur is going to make some adjustments, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to see more six offensive linemen if we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to see a different guy come in to do that

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<v Speaker 2>blocking tight end role. Washington is the complete type of player.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you look and try to build up

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<v Speaker 2>a Mercedes Louis Lewis type in a lab, it is

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<v Speaker 2>Washington with his background as a receiver, the body that

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<v Speaker 2>he grew into, and the way in which the Georgia

0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Bulldogs used him. Watch the film, watch the prospect primer.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this kid was the Mercedes Lewis for the

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<v Speaker 2>Georgia Bulldogs and also a guy that was incredibly difficult

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<v Speaker 2>to get down to the ground once he did have

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<v Speaker 2>the ball in his hands in space. So but it's

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<v Speaker 2>tough because he's not going to be there. You're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to take him at fifteen if this was the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the first round, like a traditional Packers draft,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're picking at twenty eight, do you look at him?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you move up to potentially take him in the

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<v Speaker 2>second round? Questions are going to be abounding there with

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<v Speaker 2>Darnel Washington. But I really like his pro prospects just

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<v Speaker 2>because of the way he tested and the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>he has a body type that has kind of gone

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<v Speaker 2>by the wayside when it comes to the tight end position.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I think the Packers could end up

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<v Speaker 1>investing a lot in this draft at tight end in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of potentially multiple picks, and I could see the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing at wide receiver, even if they don't use

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<v Speaker 1>a first round pick at either of those spots. I

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<v Speaker 1>think the Packers could really be trying to build up

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<v Speaker 1>their depth and competition at those positions as we go

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<v Speaker 1>through the three days of the draft. Last spot on

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<v Speaker 1>the offensive side is the offensive line. There's absolutely no

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<v Speaker 1>question about it that this is the deepest position the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers have on the roster, bringing back thirteen offensive linemen

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<v Speaker 1>from those who were on the active roster and practice

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<v Speaker 1>squad from the end of last season. Eight of those

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen if you include Jake Hansen, who started the season

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<v Speaker 1>opener last year, eight of those thirteen guys have started

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<v Speaker 1>games in the NFL for the Green Bay Packers. That's

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<v Speaker 1>an incredible amount of depth. That being said, David Baktiari

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<v Speaker 1>is not getting any younger and jos Shneimen is just

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<v Speaker 1>back on a one year restricted free agent tender. As

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<v Speaker 1>far as the tackle spots are concerned, and when you're

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<v Speaker 1>picking in the middle of the first round. There are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be some offensive tackle prospects. The big guys,

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<v Speaker 1>the four that most people talk about in whatever order,

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Skronsky from Northwestern, Broderick Jones from Georgia, Paris Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>Junior from Ohio State, and Darnell Wright from Tennessee. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a good chance one of those four, if not multiple

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<v Speaker 1>out of those four, will be there at fifteen. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think the Packers might go that route in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the first round.

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<v Speaker 2>Never had a year like this before, Mike on the

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<v Speaker 2>beat where I'm literally telling you either you go first

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<v Speaker 2>round for an offensive tackle or you just don't take

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<v Speaker 2>any at all. I don't know if the Packers need

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<v Speaker 2>more bodies at that position, but if you find a

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<v Speaker 2>guy that you feel can be a future right tackle

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<v Speaker 2>left tackle in this league as a starter, I think

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<v Speaker 2>you make that move. As you mentioned, Broderick obviously a

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<v Speaker 2>guy that I think you've touched on a few times.

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<v Speaker 2>I like Paris Johnson a lot. I feel like Scronsky

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<v Speaker 2>as much of a good, feel good story as that is,

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<v Speaker 2>with him potentially having that connection here with his grandfather

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<v Speaker 2>and everything he did for the green Bit Packers. The

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<v Speaker 2>arm length just it's not the end all be all,

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<v Speaker 2>but it does raise some questions about whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to be a tackle in this league. Could

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<v Speaker 2>be really good guard. Maybe he will survive a tackle.

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<v Speaker 2>But for as much as people beat up Brian Vilaga

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<v Speaker 2>for his arm length back in twenty ten, Skoronsky, I

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<v Speaker 2>think is about an inch shorter than Brian was. Even

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<v Speaker 2>so that is where I don't think the Packers need

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<v Speaker 2>another guard. I think they need to tackle. So you

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<v Speaker 2>go and get that guy. If he's there and you

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<v Speaker 2>feel like it's the right investment, it's worth the pick.

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<v Speaker 2>But if it's not, I just don't know if you

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<v Speaker 2>need another third or fourth round er. I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta let the guys that you have play franchise

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<v Speaker 2>tackle or pass would be my play on this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting that you brought up Bloga, and not just

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<v Speaker 1>because of the arm length thing and all that that's

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<v Speaker 1>going on with Scorronsky, another Big ten offensive tackle like Bologa.

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<v Speaker 1>But back in twenty ten, the Packers had Chad Clifton

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<v Speaker 1>and they had Mark Tauscher, and they end up drafting

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Bloga in the first round. And what happens he

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<v Speaker 1>ends up starting in the Super Bowl as a rookie

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<v Speaker 1>because of the knee injury to Mark Tauscher. So one

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<v Speaker 1>of those things you just never know. The guy who

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<v Speaker 1>I can't I can't stop thinking about him in a

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<v Speaker 1>certain respect is Darnel right from Tennessee. And I say

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<v Speaker 1>that because and I know most of the projections are

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<v Speaker 1>that he's just a right tackle, even though he did

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<v Speaker 1>play left tackle for a full season back in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one at Tennessee. But six five, three hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>thirty pounds and a guy who's pass blocking grade was

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<v Speaker 1>was was off the charts in the SEC going up

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<v Speaker 1>against some of the best edge rushers in this draft.

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<v Speaker 1>He went up against some of these guys one on one,

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<v Speaker 1>and they didn't have a whole lot of success against him.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the type of prospect that if he's sitting there

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<v Speaker 1>at fifteen and you're thinking about a guy like a

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Bloga, that you could potentially plug in that right

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<v Speaker 1>tackle and be all set for ten years. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>that would be hard to pass up. Think I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's going to create a potentially interesting decision for

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Gudakunst on Thursday night.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the funniest thing about this whole deal is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, David Baktieri missed as much time as he

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<v Speaker 2>did at left tackle, but I've still felt like the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest question mark Green Bay has had since Brian Bloga

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<v Speaker 2>left is trying to fill the right tackle spot. Who's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the right person for that. We've seen

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<v Speaker 2>a number of different players play that spot. Now, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>Yoshneimen he settles in there, he owns it this year.

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<v Speaker 2>But as much as we make about left tackles and

0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.159
<v Speaker 2>franchise left tackles, packers have had some guys that have

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<v Speaker 2>stepped in there. I thought Yosh played really well in

0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:15.840
<v Speaker 2>that role when he had to for Baktiari. It's about

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<v Speaker 2>who's going to fill that right tackle role. When you

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<v Speaker 2>can solve a position like that, when you can create

0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:23.040
<v Speaker 2>an answer for yourself for ten years, like they did

0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:25.840
<v Speaker 2>with Polaga, that is such an invaluable thing. In addition

0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:27.439
<v Speaker 2>to the fact that they ended up needing them right

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<v Speaker 2>off the bat as a twenty one year old.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll work on that all right. Switching gears, Switching sides

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<v Speaker 1>of the ball to defense. We talked about the defensive

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<v Speaker 1>line a bit on our last show with as far

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<v Speaker 1>as the departures and the free agency situation you have

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<v Speaker 1>Kenny Clark, we mentioned how TJ. Slayton and Devonte White

0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:27.880
<v Speaker 1>are both going to be asked to take a significant

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<v Speaker 1>steps forward in terms of their responsibility their workload. You

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<v Speaker 1>also brought up Chris Slayton, who was on the practice

0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:37.520
<v Speaker 1>squad last year. Jonathan Ford, a seventh round pick out

0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:41.200
<v Speaker 1>of Miami who was a game day in active all

0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:43.440
<v Speaker 1>season last year as a rookie, sort of took a

0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:47.240
<v Speaker 1>red shirt year, so to speak. Those are your defensive

0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:49.920
<v Speaker 1>linemup for the Packers. This is this is a position

0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:55.000
<v Speaker 1>of need. What I really don't know is that it

0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:57.800
<v Speaker 1>doesn't It doesn't feel like there's going to be some

0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:03.280
<v Speaker 1>defensive lineman available sitting there at number fifteen where you

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<v Speaker 1>just go, oh, yep, that's the guy, that's the answer,

0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:07.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, like that, like the next Kenny Clark is

0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:09.560
<v Speaker 1>going to be there at fifteen in this draft. It

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<v Speaker 1>just doesn't. It just doesn't feel like that. It feels

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<v Speaker 1>like this is one of those drafts where you might

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<v Speaker 1>have to find another TJ. Slayton in the fifth round,

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<v Speaker 1>or another Mike Daniels in the fourth round or something

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<v Speaker 1>to put behind those guys, and then you really are

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<v Speaker 1>counting on Slayton and Wyatt to be big time players

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<v Speaker 1>for you in twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there is a defensive lineman sitting at fifteen. His

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<v Speaker 2>name is Lucas Vanes and he's gonna play outside linebacker. Yeah.

0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:37.919
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, well, that's the next That's the

0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:40.920
<v Speaker 1>next position we're going to talk about is outside linebackers.

0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:43.480
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that guy, Yeah, there you go.

0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:46.439
<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing, Michael getting back to the true

0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:50.880
<v Speaker 2>defensive tackle defensive line types. Packers drafted him last year.

0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:53.800
<v Speaker 2>His name's Devonte Wyatt, and they need Devonte Wyatt to

0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:56.359
<v Speaker 2>play up to that first round pedigree. They knew that

0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:58.240
<v Speaker 2>this was gonna happen. They knew there was a real

0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:01.159
<v Speaker 2>possibility that Dean Lowry going to move on after the

0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:04.280
<v Speaker 2>last season. Jaren Reid was only on a one year deal.

0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Kenny Clark is the focal point. He's going to continue

0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:09.600
<v Speaker 2>to be the guy on that defensive line. But if

0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:11.720
<v Speaker 2>there was ever a year for them to be able

0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:15.960
<v Speaker 2>to unearth another Mike Daniels on day three, this is

0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:18.280
<v Speaker 2>the year to do it. Because to me, that's what

0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:20.800
<v Speaker 2>green Bay's missing right now is a three is a

0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:24.240
<v Speaker 2>rotational Mike became a three down player. Don't get me

0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:27.360
<v Speaker 2>wrong here, but he was drafted as being a rotational

0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:31.240
<v Speaker 2>interior three tech defensive lineman and he was exceptional at

0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:33.640
<v Speaker 2>he grew his game from there. That's what green Bay

0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:37.080
<v Speaker 2>really needs right now because TJ. Slayton needs to be

0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:40.600
<v Speaker 2>with When he's that big, that strong, that agile, you

0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:42.280
<v Speaker 2>want him to be a nose tackle. You want to

0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:44.160
<v Speaker 2>see he want him to see snaps in the three

0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:47.280
<v Speaker 2>four defense. DeVante Wyatt has to be that guy that's

0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:50.199
<v Speaker 2>going to step up in a three tech role. Who's

0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:52.439
<v Speaker 2>going to be the next one that comes up after that.

0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Jonathan Ford redshirted the entire season. Chris Slayton has been

0:23:57.040 --> 0:23:59.280
<v Speaker 2>in the National Football League for four years. He's still

0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:02.840
<v Speaker 2>looking to get into first NFL game. They have hungry

0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:06.720
<v Speaker 2>guys on this roster, but ultimately, Michael, it's probably about

0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 2>being able to add one more middle round guy to

0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:12.400
<v Speaker 2>this group. With where the Packers are picking the first round,

0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:14.480
<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't make sense for them to take a traditional

0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:17.720
<v Speaker 2>defensive lineman. But you know, once they move around a

0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:20.520
<v Speaker 2>little bit, second round comes around, maybe somebody's available there.

0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:21.879
<v Speaker 2>But I just feel like when you look at some

0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:24.639
<v Speaker 2>of these other real positions of need, the Packers have

0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:26.880
<v Speaker 2>two first round picks on their defensive line and they

0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:28.480
<v Speaker 2>need to be able to rely on those guys.

0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, you brought up Lucas Faness from Iowa, so

0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:36.880
<v Speaker 1>let's dive right into the edge rusher the outside linebacker situation.

0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:39.280
<v Speaker 1>We talked about it on our last show. You've got

0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Rashan Gary, Preston Smith, Justin Hollins, Kingsleyannigbari. We don't know

0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:47.359
<v Speaker 1>when Rashawon Gary is going to be back. Obviously, everybody's

0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:50.680
<v Speaker 1>hoping sooner rather than later, but no guarantees at this

0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:55.600
<v Speaker 1>point when it's only April and the first game is

0:24:55.640 --> 0:25:01.040
<v Speaker 1>still several months away. So aside from Lucas fans, any

0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:03.480
<v Speaker 1>other guys that you have your eye on in terms

0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:07.359
<v Speaker 1>of potential edge rushers that could be there at fifteen

0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:11.240
<v Speaker 1>that the Packers might decide to pick, Well.

0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:12.560
<v Speaker 2>It depends on how much you want to go into

0:25:12.600 --> 0:25:15.080
<v Speaker 2>the football player aspect of this thing. Now. I will

0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:17.760
<v Speaker 2>just say quickly about VENs. He reminds me he's a

0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:20.080
<v Speaker 2>much more refined version in a little bit bigger than

0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:23.080
<v Speaker 2>George Karloftis last year. I really like George quite a bit.

0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:25.240
<v Speaker 2>He ended up playing on a Super Bowl championship Kansas

0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:28.520
<v Speaker 2>City team, right, But I mean six foot five, two

0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:31.399
<v Speaker 2>hundred and seventy two pounds, I mean this guy he

0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:33.680
<v Speaker 2>fits the bill, and I feel like when you look

0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:36.359
<v Speaker 2>at where the Packers picked four years ago, with Rashaan Gary.

0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:38.560
<v Speaker 2>If he's there, I think that'd be a hard one

0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:42.440
<v Speaker 2>to pass up on. Now. It's interesting, though, because completely

0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:44.560
<v Speaker 2>on the other side of the spectrum is Nolan Smith,

0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:46.840
<v Speaker 2>and he's also a guy that I've fallen in love with.

0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:49.359
<v Speaker 2>Now in terms of the raz scores, where he's gonna

0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:52.240
<v Speaker 2>fall short is on the size six two, two hundred

0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:55.879
<v Speaker 2>and thirty nine pounds. He's smaller than kway Walker, his

0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:59.040
<v Speaker 2>former teammate at Georgia. But my goodness, man, the way

0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:01.320
<v Speaker 2>the guy tested in the way that I think he

0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:04.359
<v Speaker 2>can be utilized in the National Football League. Only three

0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:07.280
<v Speaker 2>sacks or whatever last year, but his ceiling is so

0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 2>high and there's so many ways to use him. A

0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:14.480
<v Speaker 2>number of years ago, Michael at number fifteen, Pittsburgh's Steelers

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:17.199
<v Speaker 2>took Ryan Shazier out of Ohio State, another guy that

0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:19.399
<v Speaker 2>I completely fell in love with and unfortunately had his

0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.399
<v Speaker 2>career cut short by injury. But it was during that

0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:26.520
<v Speaker 2>time that was beginning with these transitional hybrid linebackers. Guys

0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:28.280
<v Speaker 2>that are going to be able to stay on the

0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:29.960
<v Speaker 2>field for you three downs, are going to be able

0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:31.840
<v Speaker 2>to move around for you a little bit. I think

0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:34.919
<v Speaker 2>that's going to be Nolan Smith's upside now again, unfortunately

0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:36.840
<v Speaker 2>for him, he's just about two inches too short and

0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:40.920
<v Speaker 2>probably about twenty pounds ten pounds too thin. But the kid,

0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:43.080
<v Speaker 2>I think is going to find a way. He's like

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:45.159
<v Speaker 2>to me, I think of him as like that Aaron

0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:48.640
<v Speaker 2>Donald of outside rushers potentially. I mean, he's just there

0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:51.119
<v Speaker 2>are guys that come along every once in a while

0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:54.240
<v Speaker 2>that can make a disruptive play regardless of what their

0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:57.920
<v Speaker 2>statu sheet says in terms of their biography. So he's

0:26:57.920 --> 0:26:59.360
<v Speaker 2>the guy I've kind of fallen in love with during

0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:02.320
<v Speaker 2>the draftcross whatever happens, I'm excited to see where his

0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:02.960
<v Speaker 2>career goes.

0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:06.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Nolan Smith is really interesting when you when you

0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:08.880
<v Speaker 1>try to fit him into the Green Bay Packers because

0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:11.360
<v Speaker 1>as you mentioned, he's right around two hundred and forty pounds.

0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:14.399
<v Speaker 1>That is not the kind of outside linebacker that the

0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Packers have traditionally drafted. A Lucas van Ness who's at

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:21.120
<v Speaker 1>two hundred and seventy pounds, of Miles Murphy from Clemson

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:23.600
<v Speaker 1>who is in the high to sixties, you know, in

0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:26.919
<v Speaker 1>that six four sixty five. The guys who have what

0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:30.159
<v Speaker 1>I like to call the Preston Smith build. Those are

0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:34.119
<v Speaker 1>the guys that the Packers have gravitated toward at outside linebacker.

0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:36.639
<v Speaker 1>You know, a guy like Miles Murphy from Clemson is

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:40.320
<v Speaker 1>really interesting because he's he's got a lot of college experience,

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 1>unlike van Ness, who you know, technically wasn't even a

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 1>starter at Iowa, though I don't quite understand that. But

0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Vaness is still Vaness is still really young. Vaness is

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 1>still really young, and there's there's all this talk about

0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:57.240
<v Speaker 1>what exactly is his ceiling and how much upside is

0:27:57.280 --> 0:27:59.520
<v Speaker 1>there with a young man that seems to have so

0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:01.760
<v Speaker 1>much in front of him. Miles Murphy is a guy

0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:05.600
<v Speaker 1>who had double digit tackles for lost three consecutive years

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 1>in that Clemson defense at at a really good program.

0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:15.760
<v Speaker 1>He has the size prototype that the Packers like at

0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:19.480
<v Speaker 1>outside linebacker and is really that dual defender on the

0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:21.600
<v Speaker 1>edge in terms of setting the edge against the run

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:24.400
<v Speaker 1>and then also being able to get after the quarterback.

0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:28.919
<v Speaker 1>I think edge rusher is if I were to handicap

0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:31.440
<v Speaker 1>it right now, and we know gambling is illegal at Bushwood,

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:34.880
<v Speaker 1>but I think edge rusher is the most likely position

0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:37.879
<v Speaker 1>the Packers are going to draft at fifteen if they

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 1>stay at fifteen if there isn't the moving around or

0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:44.040
<v Speaker 1>other possibilities, I feel like it's going to be edge rusher,

0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:46.480
<v Speaker 1>and I think it's going to be guys like van

0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Ness and Murphy that will be the choices or or

0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 1>as you say that, you know Nolan Smith. When I

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:56.560
<v Speaker 1>first got into the Prospect Primers, I thought Tyree Wilson

0:28:56.680 --> 0:29:00.440
<v Speaker 1>from Texas Tech was a guy that would be really,

0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:03.000
<v Speaker 1>really intriguing. But then ever since I did the research

0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:05.880
<v Speaker 1>for the Prospect Primers, all I've seen is Tyree Wilson

0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 1>just keep climbing and everybody's mock drafts to where now

0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 1>he's even being talked about is possibly being taken before

0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:16.640
<v Speaker 1>Will Anderson from from Alabama. Some people think Wilson from

0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Texas Tech might be the first edge rusher off the

0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 1>board all of a sudden, so his stock has risen

0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:25.719
<v Speaker 1>to the point that the odds of him being there

0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:28.560
<v Speaker 1>at fifteen and even a possibility for Green Bay seem

0:29:28.600 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 1>pretty slim.

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and this is the year, Michael, where you touched

0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:34.280
<v Speaker 2>on it. I mean the Packers, I think they could

0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:37.120
<v Speaker 2>use another rashaon Gary like in twenty nineteen. They could

0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:39.720
<v Speaker 2>use a you know, a Brian Burns, just a guy

0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:41.840
<v Speaker 2>that's going to come in and learn and be able

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:44.400
<v Speaker 2>to fill out that rotation. I actually like the way

0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:47.080
<v Speaker 2>Green Bay is a lot like lined right now with

0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:49.480
<v Speaker 2>their outside linebackers. I actually think if you if you

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 2>didn't have the Rashaon Gary injury, it's actually a really

0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 2>good blend right now with some experience in Justin Hollins

0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:58.640
<v Speaker 2>and obviously kings Leyanninggbari making the impact he did late

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:01.640
<v Speaker 2>last season. I thought he played exceptionally well for a

0:30:01.680 --> 0:30:03.040
<v Speaker 2>guy that I don't think people have a lot of

0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:05.640
<v Speaker 2>huge expectations for as a fifth round pick that had

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:09.080
<v Speaker 2>a slope forty times so. But at the same time,

0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:11.520
<v Speaker 2>you do have to look and you've got to understand that, Okay, well,

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, Preston Smith is thirty one. Rashaun Gary technically

0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:16.800
<v Speaker 2>is a free agent right now after this upcoming season.

0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:19.120
<v Speaker 2>You have to figure out what you're going to do

0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 2>at edge rusher. And I agree with you one hundred percent.

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:25.080
<v Speaker 2>If there was a position where you're saying, Okay, everything's

0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:27.680
<v Speaker 2>on the line, what position of the pack is going

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:29.520
<v Speaker 2>to take, I would agree with you it's probably a rusher.

0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, at inside linebacker, a position definitely not as

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:38.280
<v Speaker 1>high on the need the immediate list. There you have

0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Devandre Campbell. You have kway Walker, who you'd used your

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:44.920
<v Speaker 1>first pick on last year. You have Isaiah McDuffie, a

0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:47.760
<v Speaker 1>young developing prospect, a former sixth round pick out of

0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:51.440
<v Speaker 1>Boston College. You brought back Eric Wilson, the veteran from

0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:54.360
<v Speaker 1>the Minnesota Vikings. Those latter two guys, of course, are

0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 1>going to be, you know, key players on the special

0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 1>teams for Rich Basacia's. So I don't you know, will

0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 1>will the Packers draft an inside linebackers?

0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Sure?

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Possibly, But I don't think it's a it's a spot

0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 1>that they're looking at at, you know, very high in

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:11.920
<v Speaker 1>this draft at all. It's more that this is more

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 1>of a Day three, you know, looking at fortifying the

0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 1>depth and adding some competition type thing.

0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it would be if finding another Isaiah McDuffie in

0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 2>the sixth round, some a guy that you like that

0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe had some college production or some interesting traits and

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 2>want to develop. I mean, very interesting situation the Packers

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 2>are in because they have four inside linebackers on the

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 2>roster and all four are probably shoeins right now. I

0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 2>would say for the fifty three. Given the contributions of

0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 2>special teams with Wilson and McDuffie, McDuffie was probably the

0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:42.240
<v Speaker 2>most improved special teams player last year, I felt, I agree,

0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:46.000
<v Speaker 2>But for them to actually non tender Chris Barnes, Barnes

0:31:46.000 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 2>who really contributed more than I think anyone would have

0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:51.480
<v Speaker 2>ever expected them to as a former undrafted free agent

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:53.920
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of COVID in twenty twenty, I mean

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 2>that speaks to how well and how deep they feel

0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 2>they are at that position. But you need more bodies,

0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:00.920
<v Speaker 2>and there's probably going to be one or two guys

0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:03.480
<v Speaker 2>that either come in in that day three or as

0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:05.760
<v Speaker 2>undrafted free agents that are gonna be looking to develop

0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:08.680
<v Speaker 2>underneath Campbell and Walker and see what kind of opportunities

0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 2>might be there for them in Green Bay.

0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, the secondary is what we have left. I

0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:15.200
<v Speaker 1>know our show is running a little bit long, but

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:17.160
<v Speaker 1>we're just gonna keep going because what the heck, we're

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 1>on Zoom right like nobody nobody needs to be where

0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 1>we are right now because we're not even in the

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 1>studio together.

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, and justin the intern, justin the intern's running

0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 2>the show right now. So Marvin isn't complaining.

0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:31.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Marv's not going to complain about how long the

0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:34.600
<v Speaker 1>show is today. So all right, Well, in the secondary,

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 1>at cornerback, it's very clear the who the Packers top

0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:42.760
<v Speaker 1>four cornerbacks are. You have j R. Alexander Rasseul, Douglas

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Keishawn Nixon, and Eric Stokes. Again we're we don't really

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:48.360
<v Speaker 1>have an update exactly on Stokes with regard to him

0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:53.080
<v Speaker 1>coming back from from that that horrible injury, the leg

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:57.720
<v Speaker 1>and ankle injury from from the Detroit game last year,

0:32:57.760 --> 0:33:00.960
<v Speaker 1>the same game, or Sean Gary got hurt. Behind the

0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Behind them, you have again some more young developmental guys

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Shama Jean Charles, Corey Bown Team KeAndre Thomas. But uh again, cornerback.

0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:20.240
<v Speaker 1>Cornerback has gotten to be a position heading into any draft,

0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:23.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of like offensive line where you almost always are

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:26.640
<v Speaker 1>just you're you all. You gotta take one. You have

0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:29.760
<v Speaker 1>to you have to continue to build and fortify that

0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:33.360
<v Speaker 1>position and build your depth and develop players because you

0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:37.520
<v Speaker 1>just you just never you never have enough of them. Cornerbacks.

0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:41.160
<v Speaker 1>Now you're talking six, if not seven, make the fifty

0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 1>three man roster coming out of training camp. Every year,

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:46.280
<v Speaker 1>you've got to have a bunch of these guys, and

0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:48.120
<v Speaker 1>and again I don't I don't know if the Packers

0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:50.840
<v Speaker 1>are gonna look at any of them early in the draft,

0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:53.680
<v Speaker 1>but uh, but I would expect cornerback to be addressed

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:54.360
<v Speaker 1>at some point.

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<v Speaker 2>Two things that I will say on this, Michael, and

0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:58.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna put them all together. I'm gonna blend them

0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:01.520
<v Speaker 2>all together for you. Okay, the Packers need a perimeter

0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:04.760
<v Speaker 2>cornerback and they need a safety, and the safety could

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:07.760
<v Speaker 2>potentially also contribute as a slot cornerback, as we've seen

0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:10.560
<v Speaker 2>now with Innis Gains playing in the slot last season.

0:34:11.080 --> 0:34:14.120
<v Speaker 2>You've seen Ruby Ford have some snaps there, Darnell Savage,

0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:15.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, even had some snaps near the line of

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 2>scrimmage the middle of that defense. Everything has melded so

0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:22.319
<v Speaker 2>much now in the NFL, where there's a lot of

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:24.520
<v Speaker 2>blurring of the lines when it comes to cornerbacks and

0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:28.480
<v Speaker 2>safeties playing those slot, nickel and dime cornerback spots. Perimeter

0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:31.080
<v Speaker 2>cornerback is where Green Bay does have some questions because

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:34.080
<v Speaker 2>we don't know where Eric Stokes is at right now,

0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:36.920
<v Speaker 2>coming back off of that ankle and knee injury he

0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:39.759
<v Speaker 2>was participating in the strength and conditioning portion of the

0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:42.720
<v Speaker 2>off season program. We saw the photos from Evan Siegel

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:45.600
<v Speaker 2>and the videos from our video department, but you know

0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:47.959
<v Speaker 2>that's still going to be a process for him getting back.

0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:51.279
<v Speaker 2>Jyr Alexander and Rasseul Douglas are a good one too.

0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:54.080
<v Speaker 2>But what happens if you lose somebody there. That's where

0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:57.280
<v Speaker 2>the packers need to figure some stuff out. They have bodies,

0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:59.680
<v Speaker 2>and we've definitely gotten to this era now where you're

0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:02.040
<v Speaker 2>gonna the eleven to twelve defensive backs on a fifty

0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:04.960
<v Speaker 2>three man roster. They did it last year, especially with

0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:08.600
<v Speaker 2>how the safeties can be utilized on special teams. The

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:11.080
<v Speaker 2>question for me is, Okay, who's the next man up

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:13.920
<v Speaker 2>until Stokes is ready on the perimeter and who's going

0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:16.040
<v Speaker 2>to be the guy lining up next to Darnell Savage.

0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:17.759
<v Speaker 2>And that's probably the biggest thing Green Bay is gonna

0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 2>have to at least try to take some steps towards

0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:21.920
<v Speaker 2>during the three days of the NFL Draft.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the safety position as it stands right now, you

0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:28.120
<v Speaker 1>have Darnell Savage, you have Rudy Ford, you have Tark Carpenter,

0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:31.360
<v Speaker 1>a seventh round pick from last year. In his gains.

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:35.240
<v Speaker 1>As you mentioned, there's also Dalen Levitt, who didn't really

0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:38.880
<v Speaker 1>play any defense once the preseason got done last year,

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 1>he didn't play any defense, He only played on special teams.

0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:45.920
<v Speaker 1>And then the Packers added really, they're only significant outside

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:50.320
<v Speaker 1>of the long snapper. The only notable outside free agent

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:54.239
<v Speaker 1>addition to various more, they signed as a safety from

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:58.879
<v Speaker 1>San Francisco, sort of like a Rudy Ford acquisition in that,

0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:01.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, a guy who who can play safety, has

0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:03.799
<v Speaker 1>been a backup, has some experience on defense, but also

0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:06.640
<v Speaker 1>has a lot of experience on special teams. Kind of

0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:12.480
<v Speaker 1>another addition along those lines, I think I think the

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Packers are going to be looking at safeties in this draft.

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:18.319
<v Speaker 1>The only one that anybody's talking about, you know, near

0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:20.759
<v Speaker 1>the top of the draft is Brian Branch from Alabama.

0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:23.800
<v Speaker 1>And I just don't know if you use the fifteenth

0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:27.800
<v Speaker 1>overall pick at a spot like that, as we've talked about,

0:36:27.800 --> 0:36:31.359
<v Speaker 1>with all the other things that seem to be you know,

0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:33.880
<v Speaker 1>needs that just rise to a higher level.

0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:36.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and especially with Adrian Amos is still on the

0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:38.799
<v Speaker 2>market too. It's not like Adrian had signed somewhere else,

0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:40.759
<v Speaker 2>so you know, we don't know what's going to happen

0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:42.960
<v Speaker 2>there if that door is closed or not. But the

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:44.960
<v Speaker 2>fact of the matter is, I just again getting back

0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:46.320
<v Speaker 2>to kind of some of the things we said earlier.

0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:48.399
<v Speaker 2>I just feel like there's other positions green Bay needs

0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 2>to address it. I don't know if you can necessarily

0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:52.920
<v Speaker 2>dip into the safety bucket. Darnell Savage is back on

0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:54.879
<v Speaker 2>the fifth year option. He was a first round pick

0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:56.640
<v Speaker 2>four years ago. You want to see him take a

0:36:56.640 --> 0:37:00.800
<v Speaker 2>big stride, especially if Amos isn't back. R Ford played

0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:03.200
<v Speaker 2>back there a little bit last season. This is about

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:05.680
<v Speaker 2>as good of an opportunity for the players currently on

0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:08.360
<v Speaker 2>this roster as they could ask for to have cemented

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:13.840
<v Speaker 2>roles on special teams, but that carrot to potentially contribute

0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:17.480
<v Speaker 2>on a big way on Joe Berry's defensive unit. Branch

0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 2>is a really talented player. But again, you know, as

0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:23.440
<v Speaker 2>much of a terrific track record as Alabama's had for

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:26.439
<v Speaker 2>turning out you know, high caliber safeties, I'm not sure

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:27.920
<v Speaker 2>if that's a spot that green Bay is going to

0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:29.280
<v Speaker 2>be able to have the luxury of taking.

0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 1>All right, well, last but certainly not least you brought

0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:34.480
<v Speaker 1>it up right at the beginning of the discussion is

0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:39.520
<v Speaker 1>at specialists. The first off, Pat O'Donnell. He'll be back

0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:41.960
<v Speaker 1>as the punter for the Packers this year. That doesn't

0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:45.960
<v Speaker 1>seem to be changing. They did sign Matt Orzich to

0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:50.120
<v Speaker 1>compete with Jack Coco for the long snapper position, but

0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Mason Crosby remains unsigned. The only kicker currently on the roster.

0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:56.920
<v Speaker 1>For all the kickers the Packers had you know on

0:37:56.960 --> 0:38:00.440
<v Speaker 1>the practice squad and we're rotating moving guys through with

0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:03.759
<v Speaker 1>you know at various times on the roster last year,

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:07.360
<v Speaker 1>the only one who's currently on the roster is Parker White.

0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Be interesting to see exactly how this, uh, how this

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:12.920
<v Speaker 1>shakes out at kicker. I think the I think, uh,

0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:16.840
<v Speaker 1>it would be great for the Packers to get Mason

0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:19.640
<v Speaker 1>Crosby back, But I think I think it's the salary

0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:22.879
<v Speaker 1>cap situation. They're just they're up against it. They don't

0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:25.680
<v Speaker 1>have a whole lot of wiggle wiggle room elsewhere they

0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:28.480
<v Speaker 1>can do to to push any more money into the future.

0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:31.440
<v Speaker 1>When you know this Rogers trade is going to you know,

0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:34.640
<v Speaker 1>is going to suddenly you know, throw another nine million

0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:37.879
<v Speaker 1>dollars onto the salary cap for for twenty twenty three.

0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:40.719
<v Speaker 1>That isn't already on there, so they're preparing for that.

0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:45.000
<v Speaker 1>But uh, but that being said, Mason Crosby is still

0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 1>out there. He hasn't signed anywhere else. You know, you

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:49.960
<v Speaker 1>never you never closed the door. You never say never.

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:53.040
<v Speaker 2>No, absolutely, Michael, and you know, thirty nine years old

0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:56.160
<v Speaker 2>in September. Mason's got to make decisions too. I mean,

0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:58.560
<v Speaker 2>this could be the last big, you know, opportunity for

0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:01.400
<v Speaker 2>contract for him, So you got to be really cognizant

0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:02.960
<v Speaker 2>of that and wanting to make sure that if there's

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:04.440
<v Speaker 2>a little bit left to be squeezed out of the

0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:07.520
<v Speaker 2>Orange that you that you're able to get the for

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:10.200
<v Speaker 2>you and your family. So obviously totally understand where he's

0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:13.480
<v Speaker 2>coming from. From Green Bay standpoint. A very interesting spot

0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:15.560
<v Speaker 2>to be in. You know. Parker White is a guy

0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:18.160
<v Speaker 2>they brought in last August. He tried out for the team.

0:39:18.200 --> 0:39:20.120
<v Speaker 2>He worked out for the team during training camp when

0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Mason was still out. They saw something they like there.

0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:24.800
<v Speaker 2>We haven't had a chance to talk to Brian Goudakunst

0:39:24.840 --> 0:39:26.880
<v Speaker 2>about it yet, but I mean he's going to be

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:29.360
<v Speaker 2>in the thick of this thing. The draft is interesting

0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:33.040
<v Speaker 2>because there isn't a Mason Crosby type prospect available there

0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:35.400
<v Speaker 2>that is like a hands down draft pick. You know,

0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:39.080
<v Speaker 2>maybe Jake Moody from Michigan, huge leg, could potentially get taken.

0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:41.160
<v Speaker 2>But a lot of the mocks that I've looked at

0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:42.719
<v Speaker 2>and not a lot of people put a ton of

0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:45.560
<v Speaker 2>time into the specialists. But it does seem like this

0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:47.040
<v Speaker 2>is a year where it's probably just going to be

0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:49.680
<v Speaker 2>priority free agents. And I'll be honest with you, Mike,

0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:51.200
<v Speaker 2>if it does come to that level, if you go

0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:53.240
<v Speaker 2>two hundred and fifty six picks and a kicker doesn't

0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:55.560
<v Speaker 2>get taken, I don't know in the National Football League,

0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:57.279
<v Speaker 2>if you could ask for a better opportunity right now

0:39:57.320 --> 0:39:59.799
<v Speaker 2>on Green Bay than you know, the potential of you know,

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:01.359
<v Speaker 2>come in and kicking for a job here.

0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:05.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no question about it. Well, we've gone way over

0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:08.320
<v Speaker 1>time today. We do have one more pre draft show

0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:11.239
<v Speaker 1>coming up early next week, so keep an eye out

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:13.880
<v Speaker 1>for that. We will we will definitely get to that

0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:18.799
<v Speaker 1>after the weekend. Thanks for hanging with us, everybody, appreciate you.

0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:23.120
<v Speaker 1>Appreciate you watching and listening. On the website, we have

0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:26.319
<v Speaker 1>the position by position series if you want to check

0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:28.600
<v Speaker 1>that out, and where the Packers roster stands. Also, the

0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Prospect Primer series is continuing, a new Prospect being posted

0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:34.640
<v Speaker 1>every day. We have the whole page now of all

0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:37.800
<v Speaker 1>of the guys that have been profiled with those videos

0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:40.040
<v Speaker 1>and thumbnail sketches so far, so be sure to check

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<v Speaker 1>all of that out. So we'll call it a wrap

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<v Speaker 1>on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Appreciate everybody tuning in

0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:49.080
<v Speaker 1>for WES. I am Mike. Take care and we will

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<v Speaker 1>see you next time.