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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford. He is the

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Speaker 1: one and only Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you from

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Speaker 1: Parts Unknown inside lambeau Field for another pre draft edition

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Speaker 1: of our show. Wes and I think what we'll do

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Speaker 1: on this show For those who have been following on

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Speaker 1: the website, this week, we started a position by position

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Speaker 1: roster review series, something that we do annually. We take

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Speaker 1: a look at just where the Packers roster stands at

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Speaker 1: each position across the board, assessing the level of need

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Speaker 1: in terms of depth or possibly immediate help, all of

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Speaker 1: those kinds of things heading into the draft. So we'll

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Speaker 1: do the same thing right here on this show. And

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Speaker 1: of course, starting at quarterback. We talked on our last

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Speaker 1: show the transition to Jordan Love is underway. The only

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Speaker 1: backup quarterback on the roster right now is Danny Etling,

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Speaker 1: the former LSU starter, And while the Packers certainly like

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Speaker 1: what Ettling brings to the table and the possibility of

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Speaker 1: some more development there, you have to believe at some

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Speaker 1: point there's a good chance the Packers are going to

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Speaker 1: take a quarterback in this draft to fortify that position.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the Packers have ten picks in this

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Speaker 2: draft coming up. Michael. We know the situation where, you know,

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Speaker 2: the Packers historically have not been a team that has

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Speaker 2: gone out and paid for a five six million dollar

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Speaker 2: a year backup, Why would you when you have Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 2: They've tended to go more on the young side of

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Speaker 2: in my thought process, I think that makes total sense

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Speaker 2: for green Bay right now. There's a few names still

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Speaker 2: on the market. You know, you're Matt Ryan's, although who

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Speaker 2: knows what he wants to do, Carson Wentz, Mason Rudolph Teddy, Bridgewater.

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Speaker 2: But by and large, to my eye, it seems like

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Speaker 2: this would be the right year to bring somebody in,

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Speaker 2: have them compete with Ettling for that number two job,

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Speaker 2: and kind of roll the ball from there. Has had

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Speaker 2: three years to work with Aaron Rodgers. Now that's not

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Speaker 2: to say a thirty year old quarterback, a thirty five

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Speaker 2: year old quarterback still couldn't help him and bring him

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Speaker 2: along and you know, give him some pointers, much like

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Speaker 2: you know Chad Henny did with with Patrick Mahomes here

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Speaker 2: the past few years in Kansas City. But I just

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Speaker 2: think the Packers' process has been pretty proven. You think

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Speaker 2: back to two thousand and eight when there was the

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Speaker 2: transition from Aaron from Brett Farv to Aaron Rodgers. Ted

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Speaker 2: Thompson dipped twice into the draft. He took Brian Brom

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Speaker 2: in the second round in Matt Flynn the seventh Brom

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Speaker 2: didn't work out, Flynn did, and the Packers ultimately found

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you talk about that, that idea of a

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Speaker 1: have one of those. I just don't know if their

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Speaker 1: what it's going to take to bring one of those

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Speaker 1: so the longer things go on, the more the prices drop,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see what happened there. But I do think

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Speaker 1: this is a year the Packers are going to draft

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. My question to you is when do you

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Speaker 1: think maybe they start seriously looking at quarterbacks, Because as

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Speaker 1: we'll get into going forward here, with the number of

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, I don't see the Packers really

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Speaker 1: looking all that seriously at quarterbacks until maybe the third day,

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Speaker 1: like the fourth round is maybe the earliest I would

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Speaker 1: think the Packers would look at drafting a quarterback. What

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Speaker 1: do you think, Yeah, fourth.

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Speaker 2: Or fifth, I mean, depending on if there's somebody that

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Speaker 2: or seventh. But I agree with you, Michael, I mean

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Speaker 2: it's the same thing. And we'll talk about running backs

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Speaker 2: here shortly. But you know some people talking about, hey,

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Speaker 2: when will the Packers could they potentially take a running back?

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Speaker 2: I just don't know if you have that luxury this year.

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Speaker 2: I think you feel good about you know, Aaron Jones

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Speaker 2: So I think you got to help put as many

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Speaker 2: And as we'll talk about at the end here too,

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Speaker 2: so could that come into play. There are only ten

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you mentioned running backs, so we'll move right

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Speaker 1: The question everybody is asking, though, of course, is if

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Speaker 1: Jean Robinson from Texas is there at number fifteen in

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Speaker 1: the next Barry Sanders, then yeah, go for it, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you really think that that's who this

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Speaker 1: But outside of that, I agree with what you said

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And if it's me, Mike and I'm thinking that, hey,

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Speaker 2: this is the next Barry Sanders, I'm calling up the

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Speaker 2: You guys like to work. That's right here. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Robinson is an exceptional talent, but the Packers drafted AJ

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Speaker 2: I think would be really dangerous. I like Patrick Taylor

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Speaker 2: He's had the foot injury. He obviously has been up

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Speaker 2: Mike I made the comparisons between him and James Starks.

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Speaker 2: He is a tall, strong running back that I think

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Speaker 2: You definitely need to have one on the practice squad

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Speaker 2: there are questions about running back next year, but right

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Speaker 2: now there are none. Packers have questions otherwhere in other spots.

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Speaker 2: I look at Jones and Dylan and keeping that combination going,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you can find Jamal Williams in the fourth round,

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Speaker 1: when you can find Aaron Jones in the fifth round.

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Speaker 1: I know, again, outside of that, you know the Barry

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Speaker 1: I just don't see the Packers using a really high

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Speaker 1: Wide receivers and tight ends. Everybody wants us to talk

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Speaker 1: Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs are your top two guys

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Speaker 1: at wide receiver. Josiah Deguarre and Tyler Davis are your

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Speaker 1: top two guys at tight end. Elsewhere, at wide receiver

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Speaker 1: But wide receiver and tight end west these are two

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Speaker 1: and possibly address with multiple picks in this draft. Considering

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Speaker 1: this three day extravaganza.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have four positions that I think probably

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Speaker 2: come as a surprise to too many people. It's tight end,

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Speaker 2: can also add a receiver into that, I think it

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Speaker 2: fact of the matter is Michael the player that has

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Speaker 2: played in the most games right now at receiver for

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Speaker 2: the Packers is Christian Watson. The receiver that's seen the

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Speaker 2: but if an injury happens, who's the next man up.

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Speaker 2: Great opportunities there for two Ray and Melton to make

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Speaker 2: But then I've completely fallen in love with Jackson Smith

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Speaker 2: and Jigba during this whole draft process, learning more about him,

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Speaker 2: seeing the fifteen catches for three hundred and forty seven

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Speaker 2: yards and three touchdowns at Ohio State. The two big

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Speaker 2: up next to Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson. But Michael,

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Speaker 2: I feel pretty good about having Christian Watson and Romeo

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Speaker 2: then furthermore, I mean, the kid fits a huge need

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Speaker 2: in the slot. I think that's where the Packers need

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Speaker 2: to find a body in this draft, whether it's js

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Speaker 2: a guy that fills that Randal Cob type of role.

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Speaker 2: They tried it two years ago with a Mari Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: It didn't work out, but finding someone that knows how

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Speaker 2: really critical. I feel for Jordan Love in his first

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what's intriguing to me about Jackson Smith

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Speaker 1: Jigbo when you talk about putting a guy in the slot,

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Speaker 1: is this is not some one hundred and seventy five

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Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety plus, pushing you know, the the

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Speaker 1: mid one nineties in terms of size. Obviously, the production

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Speaker 1: And I'm not normally a guy who really likes the

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Speaker 1: also brought up Chris Slayton, who was on the practice

434
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 1: squad last year. Jonathan Ford, a seventh round pick out

435
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 1: of Miami who was a game day in active all

436
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 1: season last year as a rookie, sort of took a

437
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 1: red shirt year, so to speak. Those are your defensive

438
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,920
Speaker 1: linemup for the Packers. This is this is a position

439
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 1: of need. What I really don't know is that it

440
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 1: doesn't It doesn't feel like there's going to be some

441
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: defensive lineman available sitting there at number fifteen where you

442
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 1: just go, oh, yep, that's the guy, that's the answer,

443
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 1: you know, like that, like the next Kenny Clark is

444
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: going to be there at fifteen in this draft. It

445
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,159
Speaker 1: just doesn't. It just doesn't feel like that. It feels

446
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 1: like this is one of those drafts where you might

447
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 1: have to find another TJ. Slayton in the fifth round,

448
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 1: or another Mike Daniels in the fourth round or something

449
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 1: to put behind those guys, and then you really are

450
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 1: counting on Slayton and Wyatt to be big time players

451
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 1: for you in twenty twenty three.

452
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a defensive lineman sitting at fifteen. His

453
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 2: name is Lucas Vanes and he's gonna play outside linebacker. Yeah.

454
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, well, that's the next That's the

455
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 1: next position we're going to talk about is outside linebackers.

456
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, that guy, Yeah, there you go.

457
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,439
Speaker 2: But here's the thing, Michael getting back to the true

458
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 2: defensive tackle defensive line types. Packers drafted him last year.

459
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: His name's Devonte Wyatt, and they need Devonte Wyatt to

460
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 2: play up to that first round pedigree. They knew that

461
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: this was gonna happen. They knew there was a real

462
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 2: possibility that Dean Lowry going to move on after the

463
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 2: last season. Jaren Reid was only on a one year deal.

464
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 2: Kenny Clark is the focal point. He's going to continue

465
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 2: to be the guy on that defensive line. But if

466
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 2: there was ever a year for them to be able

467
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 2: to unearth another Mike Daniels on day three, this is

468
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: the year to do it. Because to me, that's what

469
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: green Bay's missing right now is a three is a

470
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 2: rotational Mike became a three down player. Don't get me

471
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 2: wrong here, but he was drafted as being a rotational

472
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 2: interior three tech defensive lineman and he was exceptional at

473
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 2: he grew his game from there. That's what green Bay

474
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: really needs right now because TJ. Slayton needs to be

475
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: with When he's that big, that strong, that agile, you

476
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 2: want him to be a nose tackle. You want to

477
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 2: see he want him to see snaps in the three

478
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 2: four defense. DeVante Wyatt has to be that guy that's

479
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 2: going to step up in a three tech role. Who's

480
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 2: going to be the next one that comes up after that.

481
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 2: Jonathan Ford redshirted the entire season. Chris Slayton has been

482
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 2: in the National Football League for four years. He's still

483
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: looking to get into first NFL game. They have hungry

484
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: guys on this roster, but ultimately, Michael, it's probably about

485
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: being able to add one more middle round guy to

486
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 2: this group. With where the Packers are picking the first round,

487
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 2: it wouldn't make sense for them to take a traditional

488
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: defensive lineman. But you know, once they move around a

489
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 2: little bit, second round comes around, maybe somebody's available there.

490
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 2: But I just feel like when you look at some

491
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 2: of these other real positions of need, the Packers have

492
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 2: two first round picks on their defensive line and they

493
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 2: need to be able to rely on those guys.

494
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you brought up Lucas Faness from Iowa, so

495
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 1: let's dive right into the edge rusher the outside linebacker situation.

496
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: We talked about it on our last show. You've got

497
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: Rashan Gary, Preston Smith, Justin Hollins, Kingsleyannigbari. We don't know

498
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: when Rashawon Gary is going to be back. Obviously, everybody's

499
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: hoping sooner rather than later, but no guarantees at this

500
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: point when it's only April and the first game is

501
00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: still several months away. So aside from Lucas fans, any

502
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: other guys that you have your eye on in terms

503
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: of potential edge rushers that could be there at fifteen

504
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: that the Packers might decide to pick, Well.

505
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 2: It depends on how much you want to go into

506
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: the football player aspect of this thing. Now. I will

507
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: just say quickly about VENs. He reminds me he's a

508
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 2: much more refined version in a little bit bigger than

509
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: George Karloftis last year. I really like George quite a bit.

510
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: He ended up playing on a Super Bowl championship Kansas

511
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: City team, right, But I mean six foot five, two

512
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy two pounds, I mean this guy he

513
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 2: fits the bill, and I feel like when you look

514
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 2: at where the Packers picked four years ago, with Rashaan Gary.

515
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: If he's there, I think that'd be a hard one

516
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: to pass up on. Now. It's interesting, though, because completely

517
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 2: on the other side of the spectrum is Nolan Smith,

518
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: and he's also a guy that I've fallen in love with.

519
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 2: Now in terms of the raz scores, where he's gonna

520
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 2: fall short is on the size six two, two hundred

521
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 2: and thirty nine pounds. He's smaller than kway Walker, his

522
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 2: former teammate at Georgia. But my goodness, man, the way

523
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 2: the guy tested in the way that I think he

524
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 2: can be utilized in the National Football League. Only three

525
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: sacks or whatever last year, but his ceiling is so

526
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: high and there's so many ways to use him. A

527
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 2: number of years ago, Michael at number fifteen, Pittsburgh's Steelers

528
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 2: took Ryan Shazier out of Ohio State, another guy that

529
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 2: I completely fell in love with and unfortunately had his

530
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 2: career cut short by injury. But it was during that

531
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: time that was beginning with these transitional hybrid linebackers. Guys

532
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: that are going to be able to stay on the

533
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: field for you three downs, are going to be able

534
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: to move around for you a little bit. I think

535
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 2: that's going to be Nolan Smith's upside now again, unfortunately

536
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: for him, he's just about two inches too short and

537
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 2: probably about twenty pounds ten pounds too thin. But the kid,

538
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 2: I think is going to find a way. He's like

539
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 2: to me, I think of him as like that Aaron

540
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 2: Donald of outside rushers potentially. I mean, he's just there

541
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 2: are guys that come along every once in a while

542
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: that can make a disruptive play regardless of what their

543
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 2: statu sheet says in terms of their biography. So he's

544
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 2: the guy I've kind of fallen in love with during

545
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: the draftcross whatever happens, I'm excited to see where his

546
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 2: career goes.

547
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nolan Smith is really interesting when you when you

548
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: try to fit him into the Green Bay Packers because

549
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, he's right around two hundred and forty pounds.

550
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: That is not the kind of outside linebacker that the

551
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: Packers have traditionally drafted. A Lucas van Ness who's at

552
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy pounds, of Miles Murphy from Clemson

553
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: who is in the high to sixties, you know, in

554
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: that six four sixty five. The guys who have what

555
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: I like to call the Preston Smith build. Those are

556
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: the guys that the Packers have gravitated toward at outside linebacker.

557
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: You know, a guy like Miles Murphy from Clemson is

558
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: really interesting because he's he's got a lot of college experience,

559
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: unlike van Ness, who you know, technically wasn't even a

560
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: starter at Iowa, though I don't quite understand that. But

561
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: Vaness is still Vaness is still really young. Vaness is

562
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: still really young, and there's there's all this talk about

563
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: what exactly is his ceiling and how much upside is

564
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: there with a young man that seems to have so

565
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: much in front of him. Miles Murphy is a guy

566
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: who had double digit tackles for lost three consecutive years

567
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: in that Clemson defense at at a really good program.

568
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: He has the size prototype that the Packers like at

569
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: outside linebacker and is really that dual defender on the

570
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: edge in terms of setting the edge against the run

571
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: and then also being able to get after the quarterback.

572
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: I think edge rusher is if I were to handicap

573
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: it right now, and we know gambling is illegal at Bushwood,

574
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: but I think edge rusher is the most likely position

575
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: the Packers are going to draft at fifteen if they

576
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: stay at fifteen if there isn't the moving around or

577
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: other possibilities, I feel like it's going to be edge rusher,

578
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: and I think it's going to be guys like van

579
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: Ness and Murphy that will be the choices or or

580
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: as you say that, you know Nolan Smith. When I

581
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: first got into the Prospect Primers, I thought Tyree Wilson

582
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: from Texas Tech was a guy that would be really,

583
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: really intriguing. But then ever since I did the research

584
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: for the Prospect Primers, all I've seen is Tyree Wilson

585
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: just keep climbing and everybody's mock drafts to where now

586
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: he's even being talked about is possibly being taken before

587
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: Will Anderson from from Alabama. Some people think Wilson from

588
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: Texas Tech might be the first edge rusher off the

589
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: board all of a sudden, so his stock has risen

590
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,719
Speaker 1: to the point that the odds of him being there

591
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: at fifteen and even a possibility for Green Bay seem

592
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: pretty slim.

593
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is the year, Michael, where you touched

594
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: on it. I mean the Packers, I think they could

595
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: use another rashaon Gary like in twenty nineteen. They could

596
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: use a you know, a Brian Burns, just a guy

597
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 2: that's going to come in and learn and be able

598
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: to fill out that rotation. I actually like the way

599
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: Green Bay is a lot like lined right now with

600
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: their outside linebackers. I actually think if you if you

601
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: didn't have the Rashaon Gary injury, it's actually a really

602
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: good blend right now with some experience in Justin Hollins

603
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: and obviously kings Leyanninggbari making the impact he did late

604
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: last season. I thought he played exceptionally well for a

605
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: guy that I don't think people have a lot of

606
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: huge expectations for as a fifth round pick that had

607
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: a slope forty times so. But at the same time,

608
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: you do have to look and you've got to understand that, Okay, well,

609
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: you know, Preston Smith is thirty one. Rashaun Gary technically

610
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: is a free agent right now after this upcoming season.

611
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: You have to figure out what you're going to do

612
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: at edge rusher. And I agree with you one hundred percent.

613
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: If there was a position where you're saying, Okay, everything's

614
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: on the line, what position of the pack is going

615
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 2: to take, I would agree with you it's probably a rusher.

616
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, at inside linebacker, a position definitely not as

617
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: high on the need the immediate list. There you have

618
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: Devandre Campbell. You have kway Walker, who you'd used your

619
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: first pick on last year. You have Isaiah McDuffie, a

620
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: young developing prospect, a former sixth round pick out of

621
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: Boston College. You brought back Eric Wilson, the veteran from

622
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings. Those latter two guys, of course, are

623
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: going to be, you know, key players on the special

624
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: teams for Rich Basacia's. So I don't you know, will

625
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: will the Packers draft an inside linebackers?

626
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: Sure?

627
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: Possibly, But I don't think it's a it's a spot

628
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: that they're looking at at, you know, very high in

629
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: this draft at all. It's more that this is more

630
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: of a Day three, you know, looking at fortifying the

631
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: depth and adding some competition type thing.

632
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be if finding another Isaiah McDuffie in

633
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: the sixth round, some a guy that you like that

634
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: maybe had some college production or some interesting traits and

635
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: want to develop. I mean, very interesting situation the Packers

636
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: are in because they have four inside linebackers on the

637
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: roster and all four are probably shoeins right now. I

638
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: would say for the fifty three. Given the contributions of

639
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: special teams with Wilson and McDuffie, McDuffie was probably the

640
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: most improved special teams player last year, I felt, I agree,

641
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: But for them to actually non tender Chris Barnes, Barnes

642
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: who really contributed more than I think anyone would have

643
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: ever expected them to as a former undrafted free agent

644
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: in the middle of COVID in twenty twenty, I mean

645
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: that speaks to how well and how deep they feel

646
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: they are at that position. But you need more bodies,

647
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: and there's probably going to be one or two guys

648
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Speaker 2: that either come in in that day three or as

649
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Speaker 2: undrafted free agents that are gonna be looking to develop

650
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Speaker 2: underneath Campbell and Walker and see what kind of opportunities

651
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Speaker 2: might be there for them in Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the secondary is what we have left. I

653
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Speaker 1: know our show is running a little bit long, but

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Speaker 1: we're just gonna keep going because what the heck, we're

655
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Speaker 1: on Zoom right like nobody nobody needs to be where

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Speaker 1: we are right now because we're not even in the

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Speaker 1: studio together.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and justin the intern, justin the intern's running

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Speaker 2: the show right now. So Marvin isn't complaining.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Marv's not going to complain about how long the

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Speaker 1: show is today. So all right, Well, in the secondary,

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Speaker 1: at cornerback, it's very clear the who the Packers top

663
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Speaker 1: four cornerbacks are. You have j R. Alexander Rasseul, Douglas

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Speaker 1: Keishawn Nixon, and Eric Stokes. Again we're we don't really

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Speaker 1: have an update exactly on Stokes with regard to him

666
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Speaker 1: coming back from from that that horrible injury, the leg

667
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Speaker 1: and ankle injury from from the Detroit game last year,

668
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Speaker 1: the same game, or Sean Gary got hurt. Behind the

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Speaker 1: Behind them, you have again some more young developmental guys

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Speaker 1: Shama Jean Charles, Corey Bown Team KeAndre Thomas. But uh again, cornerback.

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Speaker 1: Cornerback has gotten to be a position heading into any draft,

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Speaker 1: kind of like offensive line where you almost always are

673
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Speaker 1: just you're you all. You gotta take one. You have

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Speaker 1: to you have to continue to build and fortify that

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Speaker 1: position and build your depth and develop players because you

676
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Speaker 1: just you just never you never have enough of them. Cornerbacks.

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Speaker 1: Now you're talking six, if not seven, make the fifty

678
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Speaker 1: three man roster coming out of training camp. Every year,

679
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Speaker 1: you've got to have a bunch of these guys, and

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Speaker 1: and again I don't I don't know if the Packers

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Speaker 1: are gonna look at any of them early in the draft,

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Speaker 1: but uh, but I would expect cornerback to be addressed

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Speaker 1: at some point.

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Speaker 2: Two things that I will say on this, Michael, and

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna put them all together. I'm gonna blend them

686
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Speaker 2: all together for you. Okay, the Packers need a perimeter

687
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Speaker 2: cornerback and they need a safety, and the safety could

688
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Speaker 2: potentially also contribute as a slot cornerback, as we've seen

689
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Speaker 2: now with Innis Gains playing in the slot last season.

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Speaker 2: You've seen Ruby Ford have some snaps there, Darnell Savage,

691
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Speaker 2: you know, even had some snaps near the line of

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Speaker 2: scrimmage the middle of that defense. Everything has melded so

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Speaker 2: much now in the NFL, where there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: blurring of the lines when it comes to cornerbacks and

695
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Speaker 2: safeties playing those slot, nickel and dime cornerback spots. Perimeter

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Speaker 2: cornerback is where Green Bay does have some questions because

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Speaker 2: we don't know where Eric Stokes is at right now,

698
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Speaker 2: coming back off of that ankle and knee injury he

699
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Speaker 2: was participating in the strength and conditioning portion of the

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Speaker 2: off season program. We saw the photos from Evan Siegel

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Speaker 2: and the videos from our video department, but you know

702
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Speaker 2: that's still going to be a process for him getting back.

703
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Speaker 2: Jyr Alexander and Rasseul Douglas are a good one too.

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Speaker 2: But what happens if you lose somebody there. That's where

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Speaker 2: the packers need to figure some stuff out. They have bodies,

706
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Speaker 2: and we've definitely gotten to this era now where you're

707
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Speaker 2: gonna the eleven to twelve defensive backs on a fifty

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Speaker 2: three man roster. They did it last year, especially with

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Speaker 2: how the safeties can be utilized on special teams. The

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Speaker 2: question for me is, Okay, who's the next man up

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Speaker 2: until Stokes is ready on the perimeter and who's going

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Speaker 2: to be the guy lining up next to Darnell Savage.

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Speaker 2: And that's probably the biggest thing Green Bay is gonna

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Speaker 2: have to at least try to take some steps towards

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Speaker 2: during the three days of the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the safety position as it stands right now, you

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Speaker 1: have Darnell Savage, you have Rudy Ford, you have Tark Carpenter,

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Speaker 1: a seventh round pick from last year. In his gains.

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Speaker 1: As you mentioned, there's also Dalen Levitt, who didn't really

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Speaker 1: play any defense once the preseason got done last year,

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Speaker 1: he didn't play any defense, He only played on special teams.

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Speaker 1: And then the Packers added really, they're only significant outside

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Speaker 1: of the long snapper. The only notable outside free agent

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Speaker 1: addition to various more, they signed as a safety from

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Speaker 1: San Francisco, sort of like a Rudy Ford acquisition in that,

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Speaker 1: you know, a guy who who can play safety, has

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Speaker 1: been a backup, has some experience on defense, but also

728
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Speaker 1: has a lot of experience on special teams. Kind of

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Speaker 1: another addition along those lines, I think I think the

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Speaker 1: Packers are going to be looking at safeties in this draft.

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Speaker 1: The only one that anybody's talking about, you know, near

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Speaker 1: the top of the draft is Brian Branch from Alabama.

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Speaker 1: And I just don't know if you use the fifteenth

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Speaker 1: overall pick at a spot like that, as we've talked about,

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Speaker 1: with all the other things that seem to be you know,

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Speaker 1: needs that just rise to a higher level.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and especially with Adrian Amos is still on the

738
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Speaker 2: market too. It's not like Adrian had signed somewhere else,

739
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Speaker 2: so you know, we don't know what's going to happen

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Speaker 2: there if that door is closed or not. But the

741
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Speaker 2: fact of the matter is, I just again getting back

742
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Speaker 2: to kind of some of the things we said earlier.

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Speaker 2: I just feel like there's other positions green Bay needs

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Speaker 2: to address it. I don't know if you can necessarily

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Speaker 2: dip into the safety bucket. Darnell Savage is back on

746
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Speaker 2: the fifth year option. He was a first round pick

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Speaker 2: four years ago. You want to see him take a

748
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Speaker 2: big stride, especially if Amos isn't back. R Ford played

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Speaker 2: back there a little bit last season. This is about

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Speaker 2: as good of an opportunity for the players currently on

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00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 2: this roster as they could ask for to have cemented

752
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: roles on special teams, but that carrot to potentially contribute

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00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: on a big way on Joe Berry's defensive unit. Branch

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Speaker 2: is a really talented player. But again, you know, as

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Speaker 2: much of a terrific track record as Alabama's had for

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Speaker 2: turning out you know, high caliber safeties, I'm not sure

757
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: if that's a spot that green Bay is going to

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Speaker 2: be able to have the luxury of taking.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, last but certainly not least you brought

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Speaker 1: it up right at the beginning of the discussion is

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Speaker 1: at specialists. The first off, Pat O'Donnell. He'll be back

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Speaker 1: as the punter for the Packers this year. That doesn't

763
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Speaker 1: seem to be changing. They did sign Matt Orzich to

764
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Speaker 1: compete with Jack Coco for the long snapper position, but

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Speaker 1: Mason Crosby remains unsigned. The only kicker currently on the roster.

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Speaker 1: For all the kickers the Packers had you know on

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Speaker 1: the practice squad and we're rotating moving guys through with

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Speaker 1: you know at various times on the roster last year,

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Speaker 1: the only one who's currently on the roster is Parker White.

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Speaker 1: Be interesting to see exactly how this, uh, how this

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Speaker 1: shakes out at kicker. I think the I think, uh,

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Speaker 1: it would be great for the Packers to get Mason

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Speaker 1: Crosby back, But I think I think it's the salary

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Speaker 1: cap situation. They're just they're up against it. They don't

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Speaker 1: have a whole lot of wiggle wiggle room elsewhere they

776
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Speaker 1: can do to to push any more money into the future.

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Speaker 1: When you know this Rogers trade is going to you know,

778
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Speaker 1: is going to suddenly you know, throw another nine million

779
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Speaker 1: dollars onto the salary cap for for twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: That isn't already on there, so they're preparing for that.

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Speaker 1: But uh, but that being said, Mason Crosby is still

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Speaker 1: out there. He hasn't signed anywhere else. You know, you

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Speaker 1: never you never closed the door. You never say never.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely, Michael, and you know, thirty nine years old

785
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Speaker 2: in September. Mason's got to make decisions too. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this could be the last big, you know, opportunity for

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Speaker 2: contract for him, So you got to be really cognizant

788
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Speaker 2: of that and wanting to make sure that if there's

789
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Speaker 2: a little bit left to be squeezed out of the

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Speaker 2: Orange that you that you're able to get the for

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Speaker 2: you and your family. So obviously totally understand where he's

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Speaker 2: coming from. From Green Bay standpoint. A very interesting spot

793
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: to be in. You know. Parker White is a guy

794
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: they brought in last August. He tried out for the team.

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Speaker 2: He worked out for the team during training camp when

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Speaker 2: Mason was still out. They saw something they like there.

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Speaker 2: We haven't had a chance to talk to Brian Goudakunst

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Speaker 2: about it yet, but I mean he's going to be

799
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Speaker 2: in the thick of this thing. The draft is interesting

800
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Speaker 2: because there isn't a Mason Crosby type prospect available there

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Speaker 2: that is like a hands down draft pick. You know,

802
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: maybe Jake Moody from Michigan, huge leg, could potentially get taken.

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Speaker 2: But a lot of the mocks that I've looked at

804
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Speaker 2: and not a lot of people put a ton of

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00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: time into the specialists. But it does seem like this

806
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: is a year where it's probably just going to be

807
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: priority free agents. And I'll be honest with you, Mike,

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Speaker 2: if it does come to that level, if you go

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Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty six picks and a kicker doesn't

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00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: get taken, I don't know in the National Football League,

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Speaker 2: if you could ask for a better opportunity right now

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00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: on Green Bay than you know, the potential of you know,

813
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Speaker 2: come in and kicking for a job here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it. Well, we've gone way over

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Speaker 1: time today. We do have one more pre draft show

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Speaker 1: coming up early next week, so keep an eye out

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Speaker 1: for that. We will we will definitely get to that

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Speaker 1: after the weekend. Thanks for hanging with us, everybody, appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you watching and listening. On the website, we have

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Speaker 1: the position by position series if you want to check

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Speaker 1: that out, and where the Packers roster stands. Also, the

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Speaker 1: Prospect Primer series is continuing, a new Prospect being posted

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Speaker 1: every day. We have the whole page now of all

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Speaker 1: of the guys that have been profiled with those videos

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Speaker 1: and thumbnail sketches so far, so be sure to check

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Speaker 1: all of that out. So we'll call it a wrap

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Speaker 1: on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Appreciate everybody tuning in

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Speaker 1: for WES. I am Mike. Take care and we will

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Speaker 1: see you next time.