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Speaker 1: Hello Texans, and welcome to the program that takes you

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Speaker 1: inside at RG Stadium. Mark Van Damer, John Harris with

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Speaker 1: you for Texans All Access as we recapped the long weekend,

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Speaker 1: Memorial Day weekend, and also what is to come as

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Speaker 1: we continue to move on through phase three of the

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Speaker 1: offseason program, headed toward mandatory mini camp and then the

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Speaker 1: big break before training camp. Johnny, how is the weekend?

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Speaker 1: How are you? My friend? Go? Well? Mark Man? Those

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Speaker 1: three days went fast, very very very fast. But good

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Speaker 1: to be back on radio and rocketing rolling as we

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Speaker 1: get ever so closely to the desert. Oh, the desert.

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Speaker 1: Weird to say because last year it was one, but

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Speaker 1: it was a weird kind of desert because the desert

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Speaker 1: went from like March to like a month ago, and

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Speaker 1: so it was a very very long desert. So hopefully

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Speaker 1: this desert this year will lead to good things happening

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Speaker 1: at training camp e fans. Kind of somewhat back to

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Speaker 1: normal maybe, but we'll see. But fingers are crossing we

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Speaker 1: can get there. Oh yeah, I mean the desert is

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Speaker 1: that long break between many camp and training camp, and

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Speaker 1: there's no other way to put it. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: a weird time. Of year, But I feel like in

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Speaker 1: recent years there's just there's always news to fill it up.

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Speaker 1: There's always something to talk about, there's always something to

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Speaker 1: focus on, and people need to get to know this team.

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Speaker 1: And I feel it out there when I'm out and about,

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Speaker 1: and I know when you're a when you're out and about,

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Speaker 1: you feel the same thing. People ask you about the team, Well,

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Speaker 1: what's going on? What's it like? That's it gonna look

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Speaker 1: like all these new guys. Look, we're piecing it together ourselves.

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Speaker 1: And it's a construction project, you know. And I just

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Speaker 1: read that where the loop connects with sixty nine fifty nine.

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Speaker 1: Yea more construction out of the way there is to

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Speaker 1: buckle up for that, but more construction on the way here.

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Speaker 1: Because the player was signed today, Rex burkehead running back

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Speaker 1: who you and I saw with the Cincinnati Bengals with

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Speaker 1: the doing the pay tree. It's along with Andre and

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Speaker 1: we always thought the kid was pretty good. We always

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Speaker 1: thought it was good, and he was here for that

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Speaker 1: ansty South clincher playing for the Cincinnati Bengals on Christmas

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Speaker 1: Eve twenty sixteen, and we thought this guy's got New

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Speaker 1: England Patriots written all over him. And yes he became

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Speaker 1: a New England Patriot and now he's a Houston Texan.

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Speaker 1: So you had another running back to this backfield. And look,

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Speaker 1: I know there are others, but let's stick with the

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Speaker 1: big three. When you look at David Johnson, Mark Ingram,

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Speaker 1: Philip Lindsay, and now you add Rex Burkhead to the mix, Johnny,

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Speaker 1: what do you make of it as far as where

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Speaker 1: we stand now? Early June, I, this is a hard

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Speaker 1: one for me answer, just because hey, I have always

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Speaker 1: been a Rex Birkhead guy. I love that guy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: first of all, he's a Texan, He's from Plano, so

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Speaker 1: he's got that. But he's just always been different than

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Speaker 1: just a running back. He's been a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: I mean just the the power and the attitude that

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Speaker 1: he runs with, how he catches the ball. I mean,

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Speaker 1: obviously twenty eighteen, he scores the game winning touchdown against

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Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs in a game in which he

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Speaker 1: was featured a little bit that he wasn't. He's kind

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Speaker 1: of been like that since he's been with the Patriots

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Speaker 1: or some games where it's like we're gonna get a

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Speaker 1: healthy dose of Rex Birdhead. And then there are some

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Speaker 1: games where you know he's banged up or he's not

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Speaker 1: gonna be the feature. Guys can be James Wife, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be Sony Michelle or last year we saw Damien

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Speaker 1: always wish was on my side so I didn't have

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Speaker 1: was five years ago, but that game against us down

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Speaker 1: still see him catching the ball and breaking a tackle

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Speaker 1: single handedly lead them to a touchdown? And like break

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Speaker 1: our hearts on Christmas Eve night? Like this can't happen,

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Speaker 1: can't it? And thankfully Randy Bullock pushed one wide right.

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Speaker 1: But he's that kind of guy that can give you

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Speaker 1: He understands what that's all about. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: what we're gonna be in the running in the backfield

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Speaker 1: is running back by committee. And sometimes I met me

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Speaker 1: It might be rotation from week to week, from game

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Speaker 1: a guy that comes to camp to compete, But most importantly,

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Speaker 1: we got to see where his health is because if

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Speaker 1: got to come back from that. Yeah, he got knocked

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Speaker 1: He canna have surgery until December. So who knows where

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be from a rehab standpoint. You know, maybe

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Speaker 1: the guy that you think about. Maybe not right you know,

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Speaker 1: weeks one through five, we went through six, But maybe

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Speaker 1: that's a guy that you have. He's rehabbing, he's getting

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Speaker 1: second half of the season. Who knows from that injury,

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Speaker 1: You just you just don't know. So you're given an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to rehab here with our group here and then

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Speaker 1: get in the mix when he's physically ready to do so.

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Speaker 1: When he's healthy, he's a solid piece in the backfield.

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Speaker 1: And when I saw that we signed him, I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh sweet, and then I remembered him being injured and

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Speaker 1: I thought, man, okay, can he come back from that?

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Speaker 1: So you take a shot, you see what you got,

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Speaker 1: And I think that's obviously you know. We've talked to

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Speaker 1: Nick about this, and I asked him this question about

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Speaker 1: the draft, and I think it applies especially in your

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Speaker 1: early years as a GM, early years as a head coach.

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Speaker 1: You want information that you could trust. You want players

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Speaker 1: that you know you can trust, that they have the

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Speaker 1: right mindset, no questions asked, like when that guy comes

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Speaker 1: there's a question about how healthy he'll be. Okay, but

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Speaker 1: everything else we know is a rock on slam dunk.

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Speaker 1: And you probably aren't hiss app to take a bunch

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Speaker 1: of risks on people you don't know or that you

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Speaker 1: can't trust, or you haven't gotten trustworthy information on and

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Speaker 1: so going and getting players that you know you can trust,

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Speaker 1: I think is massive. It's now just a matter of

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Speaker 1: getting him healthy to be able to do it all right,

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Speaker 1: So are you ready to have your mind blown? And

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Speaker 1: I mean the listeners even more than you, although maybe

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Speaker 1: you'll find some of this mind blowing as well. But

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Speaker 1: when you look at what happened to all four of

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Speaker 1: look at Burkehead, he averaged over four yards per carry, good,

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Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy four yards, all right, whatever, because

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Speaker 1: he got hurt against the Houston Texans, like he pointed out,

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Speaker 1: Ingram didn't play the full season, three hundred yards rushing

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Speaker 1: four point two per carry, lindsay, very limited work last year.

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Speaker 1: When you look at actually he had eight starts last year,

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Speaker 1: so five hundred yards for him four point three per carry.

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Speaker 1: But the bell cow, if you will, the guy who

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Speaker 1: had bigger numbers than anybody in the big four as

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Speaker 1: I'll call them right now, is David Johnson. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I think the narrative on David Johnson, and correct me

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Speaker 1: false here. It's it's a little skewed, it's a little clouded. However,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to describe it because when I tell people,

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Speaker 1: you know, David Johnson average four point seven yards per

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Speaker 1: carry last year, people say, what, Yeah, he had the

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Speaker 1: top number of these four backs and four point seven

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Speaker 1: six hundred ninety one yards. Okay, that's not a ton

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Speaker 1: you very much. But that's something, and it's more than

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Speaker 1: any other back in that backfield right now. As far

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Speaker 1: as their twenty twenty output, he also had thirty three catches,

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Speaker 1: a couple of receiving touchdowns. He had six rushing touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: so eight total, you know, and we talk about those

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Speaker 1: yards from scrimmage, Johnny, I don't think it's gonna shock

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Speaker 1: anybody if they run a lot of zone stuff and

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Speaker 1: David Johnson turns out to be the guy. Now. I

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Speaker 1: think it's still committee, but he might be the leader

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Speaker 1: of the boardroom. He just might be. Your thoughts on that,

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Speaker 1: it's I don't think you're wrong anyway, shape or form.

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Speaker 1: I think it comes down to health. We talked about this,

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Speaker 1: We talked about this a few weeks ago. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: COVID situation. And then he got the concussion against the Jaguars.

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Speaker 1: So that cost him how many games? Four games? Five games?

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Speaker 1: May Yeah, so at that twelve, Yeah, he played twelve games,

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Speaker 1: and in one of those games, the Jacksonville game, he's

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Speaker 1: knocked out in the first quarter. Ye knocked out of

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Speaker 1: that game with the concussion the first quarter. So you're

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Speaker 1: really talking about eleven games that he played in. And

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Speaker 1: from that perspective, it's not I'm not gonna say it's

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Speaker 1: it's horrible output. But let's say, what do you say

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Speaker 1: he ran four six ninety one. Yeah, twelve games, okay,

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Speaker 1: six nine? I was doing eleven games because he really didn't. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's sixty three yards per game time sixteen. That would

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Speaker 1: told you that David Johnson was going to be a

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Speaker 1: thousand yard rusher in twenty twenty, what would you have

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Speaker 1: said now that that would blow your mind? Like, wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: wait a second, Well, that's just because he had those

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Speaker 1: last couple of games. Yeah, I get it. I get

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Speaker 1: that there were times in which he didn't run the

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Speaker 1: ball as effectively as we all wanted him to. But

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Speaker 1: in the last three games of the year, when there's

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Speaker 1: he's picking up one hundred and thirty all purpose yards

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Speaker 1: in those three particular games, and one game he's doing

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Speaker 1: he's doing it through the running game. So it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, let's let's back this training up a little

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Speaker 1: bit now. Am I gonna tell you that David Johnson

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Speaker 1: is going to the Pro Bowl on twenty twenty one? No,

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Speaker 1: that's not what I'm saying, because I know that's what

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Speaker 1: people will hear whenever you talk in a positive manner

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Speaker 1: about David Johnson. But if I were to tell you

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Speaker 1: David was a thousand yard rushers, tack on another couple

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Speaker 1: of touchdowns in those four games, now you're talking about

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Speaker 1: thousand yard rusher who had ten total touchdowns. Not half

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Speaker 1: bad season at that point. You know, James Robinson from

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars was just looking at today he ran for

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Speaker 1: a thousand and seventy yards and yes, I get it,

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Speaker 1: he was undrafted and he was a rookie, Like I

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Speaker 1: understand it. But we talked about him, and I'm saying

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Speaker 1: a collective week low Leeann nashally talked about him like

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Speaker 1: he was the second Coming, Like, oh my gosh, so

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville found it's back in the future. If David's healthy

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Speaker 1: at that rate, he runs for just sixty five yards less.

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Speaker 1: So from that perspective, it's I want to see David

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Speaker 1: be healthy for seventeen games, but at least if he's

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Speaker 1: not completely healthy, he's got a couple of guys to

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Speaker 1: three guys that have been there and done that, and

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Speaker 1: they're doing right now, no doubt. I think turnover is

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Speaker 1: A guy like Desmond King, he is always always around

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Speaker 1: the football, I mean always around it. I'm in the

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Speaker 1: first game he played with the Titans last year. Ball

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Speaker 1: ends up in the ground, he picks up, runs into

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Speaker 1: the house for a touchdown for the Titans. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're just guys that have that knack. So you put

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Speaker 1: those three things together, you have more guys that just

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Speaker 1: can go it a little bit of luck, but you

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Speaker 1: work on it as well. You got an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: turn that thing around. I mean, the last thing we

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Speaker 1: need to have is year in which we've created three

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Speaker 1: interceptions in our defensive lineman is one of the leaders

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Speaker 1: and interceptions because he had won, just like two other guys,

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Speaker 1: that can't happen again in seventeen games of the season.

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Speaker 1: That cannot happen. So the backfield, Rex Burkhead, David Johnson,

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Speaker 1: Mark Ingram, Philip Lindsay, Buddy, how Scottie Phillips right still here?

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Speaker 1: And I almost said to Marie Crockett, No, Scottie Phillips

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Speaker 1: still here. Don Trelle Hilliard. Dontrelle Hilliard. Watch Hilliard get

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Speaker 1: like fifteen hundred yards. And that's it, you know, like

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Speaker 1: everybody we're talking about wildcard comes in, dominates on the ground.

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Speaker 1: That's it. Folks, Oh my gosh, would that be something? Okay,

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Speaker 1: coming up, we're gonna play who's better now today, Johnny,

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Speaker 1: you got two quarterback questions. You're gonna have it an

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Speaker 1: answers question, and we're gonna go and now is in

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Speaker 1: their best category? This is gonna I could go retro

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Speaker 1: on you, and I could go Chris Schenkle on figure skating,

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Speaker 1: but I won't do it. I won't do it, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll stick to modern times. Okay, but we're gonna go

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Speaker 1: back in time with the quarterback question because we sometimes

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Speaker 1: do that, and also one involving food, which I know

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Speaker 1: you'll like. It's all coming up on Texans Radio. It's

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Speaker 1: Texans All Access. Mark vander Meyer, John Harris with you.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program. Not that you went anywhere,

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Speaker 1: because you shouldn't have. And by the way, if you're

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Speaker 1: listening live, this will be heard on the Texans app later.

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Speaker 1: It's heard now, it's heard later, it's heard all the time.

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Speaker 1: All right, Johnny, are you ready to play Who's better?

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Speaker 1: Let's go, let's do it tuesdays. Okay, here we go. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go quarterbacks. But we're going to fine tune

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Speaker 1: the category. Are you ready, boy? Yeah? Okay, I'm curious.

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Speaker 1: Now backup quarterback? Who's better? Frank Reich or Earl Moral?

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Speaker 1: Earl Moral or Frank Reich. Now I'm gonna help you

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Speaker 1: along here, my friend, because the listening audience is like

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Speaker 1: vander Mary, who the heck okay is Earl Moral? And

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Speaker 1: boys and girls, now you help them, you know this stuff?

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Speaker 1: So Earl Morral he started in the fifties, right, and

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Speaker 1: he played with the Lions for many years. The Giants,

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Speaker 1: but really Baltimore is where you know, the modern era

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Speaker 1: comes into playing. He's backing up Johnny Unitis, and he

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Speaker 1: backs up Johnny Unitis to the point where he has

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Speaker 1: to start the Super Bowl against the New York Jets. Right,

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Speaker 1: So Super Bowl three he starts. In fact, Unitis came

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Speaker 1: off the bench late in that game but couldn't do anything.

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Speaker 1: Obviously they lost to the Jets. Earl ends up going

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Speaker 1: with Don Shula to Miami, where once again he has

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Speaker 1: to back up, this time Bob Greasy, and Greasy gets

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Speaker 1: hurt in the undefeated season of seventy two, moral less

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Speaker 1: to finish it off right the following year, he goes

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Speaker 1: back to the bench and they win the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: here at Rice Stadium against the Minnesota Vikings. Earl Moore

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Speaker 1: one of the greatest backup quarterbacks in the history of

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Speaker 1: the league. Frank Reich. I need not remind Houstonians what

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Speaker 1: Frank Reich was able to accomplish in the nineteen ninety

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Speaker 1: but three playoffs ninety two season, right, So I need

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Speaker 1: not remind people of that they both played in a

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Speaker 1: ton of games, by the way, Reich in fewer games

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Speaker 1: only what twenty starts In Frank Reich's career, Moral started

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Speaker 1: a ton of games, okay, one hundred two. But they're

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Speaker 1: both known as backup quarterbacks, even though Moral I believe,

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Speaker 1: was a first round draft choice. But you know, in

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Speaker 1: the Stone Age, okay, originally by the San Francisco forty

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Speaker 1: nine er thoughts, this is Earl Morral. I really love

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Speaker 1: Frank Reich as a dude. I love what he's doing

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Speaker 1: in the community in Indianapolis. I hate facing him because

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Speaker 1: I think he's a really, really good coach. He was

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Speaker 1: an excellent backup quarterback. I mean he was as good

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Speaker 1: as it got with you know, behind Jim Kelly, and

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Speaker 1: obviously in Houston we know, but you mentioned or a

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Speaker 1: Morol coming in and playing that Super Bowl. He actually

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Speaker 1: replaced Johnny Unitis early in that season and won the

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Speaker 1: league MVP in nineteen sixty eight, then had that the

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Speaker 1: troubles in the Super Bowl, lost to Joe Namath in

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two. He came on like Week three or

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Speaker 1: week four, continued the Dolphins all the way. How about

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Speaker 1: this kicking the teeth for Morel though he gets the

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Speaker 1: Dolphins all the way to the AFC Championship. He struggles

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Speaker 1: in the first half of the AFC Championship. They go

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Speaker 1: to Bob Greasy in the second half, Greasy pulls it out,

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Speaker 1: they win the game. Greasy then starts in the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl that year. So Morrel never got to start and

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Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl, but he was instrumental in getting

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Speaker 1: the Colts there in an MVP season. Then he got

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins all the way to the AFC Championship game

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Speaker 1: and Greasy and then topped it off. I'm saying, this

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Speaker 1: is Earl Moral. So one of the events I did

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Speaker 1: ear leam when I was voice of the Hurricanes was

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Speaker 1: some non Hurricane event, but it's a Miami sports thing.

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Speaker 1: I forget exactly what it was, but Earl was there

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Speaker 1: and that's where I first met him. And you know,

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Speaker 1: to them, it's like they see him everywhere. It's like Mark,

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Speaker 1: this is Earl Moral. I'm like, yeah, are you kidding? Yeah, Mo, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I heard John Facinda's voice in my head

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Speaker 1: and it was just one of those times, you know,

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Speaker 1: like I have to write that down and remember it

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Speaker 1: because it was so significant to me. And again it's

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Speaker 1: all about me, All right, Johnny, Next two's better? We

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Speaker 1: did backup quarterback. And by the way, we could do

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Speaker 1: a whole show on backup quarterbacks because they know they're more.

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Speaker 1: We want to get into bust quarterback. Who's better? Are

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Speaker 1: you ready? These famous number two overall picks? Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I knew Ian Leaf or Rick Meyer now Meyer in

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Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety three draft, number two overall pick to

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Speaker 1: Drew Bledsoe and Ryan Leaf. For you all know number

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Speaker 1: two overall pick two, Peyton Manning nineteen ninety eight. Oh, Johnny,

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Speaker 1: who's patter? First of all, you mentioned Peyton Manning. The

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Speaker 1: Athletic has an article today about Peyton Manning's nephew, Arch Manning,

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Speaker 1: and he's a quarterback at at the Manning School down

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Speaker 1: in New Orleans named the Newman School. Yes, and wait

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Speaker 1: is this This is Cooper's son? Right? This is Cooper's son.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's pays Nebby. He is an absolute dude,

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Speaker 1: and everybody is just yeah, I mean this articles, it's

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Speaker 1: amazing what they're doing, what the coach is doing there.

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Speaker 1: And Newman the coach played with Peyton back in high school.

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Speaker 1: They played the other It's incredible to think about the

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Speaker 1: mannings anyway, cheer for the bigger bust is Ryan Leaf

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Speaker 1: because Leif never had success never, I mean he never

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Speaker 1: had He had no success. Rick Meyer his first year

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Speaker 1: was actually very good, to a point where people are like, WHOA,

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Speaker 1: did the Patriots get this thing right? Did they get

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Speaker 1: it right with Drew Bledsoe. Well, the next year Bledsoe

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Speaker 1: leads the Patriots to the playoffs and Meyer just goes

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Speaker 1: off a cliff and then at that point he's journeyman

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Speaker 1: for a while. Meyer had at least a year of success.

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Speaker 1: Leif had nothing, absolutely zilch. Yeah, he's the bigger bust. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Meyer lasted a while in the league, right and Leif didn't.

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Speaker 1: And Leif had all the personal problems and everything. So

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Speaker 1: you'd have to say that Meyer's the better quarterback. But

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Speaker 1: Johnny evaluated higher coming into the draft, would you say,

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Speaker 1: Ryan Leif? No doubt. Leif had an absolute cannon, I

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Speaker 1: mean a cannon. And it's always funny to talk about

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Speaker 1: Rick Meyer because Sean pendergast Our buddy at Sports Radio

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Speaker 1: six ten, Sean I just talking about this all the

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Speaker 1: time on and off the air because he knew how

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Speaker 1: much of loves called football, and they knew each other.

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Speaker 1: He knew Rick from you know, days at Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: when he went to school. Yeah yeah, I just but

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Speaker 1: Leaf had Leaf had it. Holy smokes. He threw a

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Speaker 1: football and was like, wow, that was easy. He'd rip

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Speaker 1: it thirty five yards on a rope from one half

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Speaker 1: to the other sideline. You're like, wow, he had confidence.

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Speaker 1: He not. You know how people will say, who he's confident,

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Speaker 1: bordering on arrogance. He's not. No, no, no, he was

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Speaker 1: arrogant and Washington State fed off it. Why he was

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Speaker 1: a much higher for me. He was a much higher

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Speaker 1: rank prospect than Meyer. But as it were, his ceiling

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Speaker 1: was extremely high, but his floor was down in a basement,

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Speaker 1: and he not only hit his floor, he went to

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Speaker 1: the sub basement below that. It was crazy, It was ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Both were number two overall picks in the NFL draft. Okay,

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Speaker 1: who's better? Question? Three announcers, Who's better? Joe Bucket baseball,

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Speaker 1: Al Michael's at football or Jim Nance at golf. Oh now,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that nance his best sport is golf.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that Buck's best sport is baseball. I

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Speaker 1: think I'm right here, and Michael's best sport is football.

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Speaker 1: Don't give me hockey. I don't really. I didn't put

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Speaker 1: Mike Breen on here because I do think Mike's good.

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Speaker 1: But to me, the NBA doesn't have that kind of guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they don't. I mean is retiring and I just they

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Speaker 1: have a lot of I love Kevin Harland. I think

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Speaker 1: you know, they're all good, okay, but I don't think

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Speaker 1: they have the marquee guy like the other sports do. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So I've I've been as I've been trying to get

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Speaker 1: my exercise back up, so I've been walking three three

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Speaker 1: and a half miles a day, and so sometimes I'll

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Speaker 1: just put on like a documentary that I just want

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Speaker 1: to listen to you, but I don't want to listen

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Speaker 1: to music. So I've been listening to the documentary of

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Speaker 1: the Last Dance, Right that was Bob Costas. What did

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Speaker 1: you think of Costas as a play by play guy?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, yes, in baseball, I think when Costas

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Speaker 1: does basketball, and I know we started in basketball, I

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Speaker 1: believe for the Saint Louis yeaheah. So but when I

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Speaker 1: hear Costa is doing the NBA. When I heard it

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Speaker 1: in the nineties, I felt like, listen, I am just

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Speaker 1: loading my voice to this sport and I'd much rather

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Speaker 1: be doing Major League Baseball. Okay, even in the NFL

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Speaker 1: studio was like, I will disgrace myself and slum here

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, but I'm going back to the cathedral

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Speaker 1: that is Yankee Stadium soon enough, where I can opine

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Speaker 1: about the greatest sport in the history of the world.

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Speaker 1: Like to me. And look, I think I've said this before.

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Speaker 1: I'm on the record. Mob Costas is the best announcer

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Speaker 1: maybe whoever lived. I mean he is. He can do

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Speaker 1: anything extremely well. Yeah, but it's taste. It's subjective, right,

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Speaker 1: It's like this might you know, creme brulet might be

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Speaker 1: the best dessert by the critics, but I don't want it.

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Speaker 1: I'd rather have the hot brownie with the vanilla ice

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Speaker 1: cream on it. Fantom here, you're so peasant, have the

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Speaker 1: creme brulet. No, I would rather have what I'd rather have,

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Speaker 1: so anyway, Joe Buck al Michael's Jim Nance go. I

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Speaker 1: love Joe buck on baseball, I really do, but I

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Speaker 1: gotta go Al michaels Al Michaels. I got him third

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Speaker 1: in this group. I Michael's now. I don't think Michael's now,

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Speaker 1: but I think Michael's in his prime calling football. I

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Speaker 1: think was was outstanding. I probably put Joe Buck see Sen,

636
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: you're more a golf guy. So yeah, I think that that.

637
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,959
Speaker 1: I put Nance third. Maybe that's just because golf goes

638
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: third in that. Yeah, but I know Nance is really

639
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: really good. He's really good at golf. I mean just

640
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: the way that he can capture the scene of a

641
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: golf match, like of a golf tournament, like it's golf,

642
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: and yeah, he can make it seem like, oh my gosh,

643
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: this thing is it's amazing because Nance is calling it,

644
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: so that would be tough. But I just Michael's on football.

645
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: I hear his voice and I know it's a football game.

646
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: I am going to sit down and watch absolutely. Yeah.

647
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: I look, I love Nance doing golf, I really do.

648
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: I think Nanson golf needs his Tony Romo. Now he

649
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: you know, Faldo is good, there's no question. But you know,

650
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: Nan said Phil Simson football, then he got Romo and

651
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,959
Speaker 1: I think it energized him. And I think he needs

652
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: Phil Mickelson to step into that CBS boom. Oh, that's

653
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: so funny you said that. I was just going to

654
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,959
Speaker 1: ask you if that was what it should be. Well,

655
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: it should be. But but Michelson just won the PGA Championship.

656
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: But he's probably thinking, I got another five ten years

657
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: to try to win majors and you know, so he's

658
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: probably gonna do that. But when he's ready, they will

659
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: give him whatever top dollar is for that sport. In

660
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: that context, they will give it to him. Trust me.

661
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: All Right, one more, Who's Better? I don't know if

662
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: we're gonna have enough time in this segment. We might

663
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: have to do this after the break, but all right,

664
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Speaker 1: give it a shot. Traveling Texans Culinary Choice, What's better?

665
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: It's a who's better? What's better? Here are your choices.

666
00:35:52,680 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: Indie Steak, Jacksonville Stripmall Ribs, Kansas City, Burnt Ends, New

667
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: Orleans charc grilled Oysters, New England clamped Chowder or Baltimore

668
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: crab Cakes. Traveling Texans Culinary Choice, what's better? Johnny? It's

669
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: so hard, it is, but it's really easy. It's really easy.

670
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: Oh no, you're going New Orleans, aren't you. Yep, you

671
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: know it. New Orleans Chargold Oysters. I took my son

672
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: jack there because you know when we went to when

673
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: I with twmobile, the city balls just took everybody and

674
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: so we um we stopped in Mettery and he had

675
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: chargod oysters for the first time, and you know, he's

676
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: really picky about the texture, and so I was like,

677
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna like these. Man. I

678
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: looked down and he had scarfed down about eight of

679
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: the twelve and he's sopping it up the bread with

680
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: the butt. I was like, yeah, there's there's no to me,

681
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: there's no comparison, man, the Chargold Oysters, New Orleans all

682
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: it's unique all day every day at Dragos. Our friend

683
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: Tommy Santanivitch there and they do a great job in

684
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 1: Memory and downtown New Orleans. Just giving them a plug

685
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 1: right now, if you're ever in New Orleans, look them up. Okay,

686
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: all right, that was it. I guess that was faster

687
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: than I thought. I mean, they're all good, they're all good.

688
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, that's just our little secret, you know,

689
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: it is our secret. But what is I mean, what

690
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: is Jacksonville known for? I meant ribs ripmall ribs. That's it. Okay,

691
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of an inside joke too, all right. Next up,

692
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: uh NFL and the media, athletes in the media, and

693
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: what happened at the French Open. Let's get into it

694
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: a little bit here on Texans Radio. It's Texans Radio.

695
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: Mark Vandermarin, John Harris with you. Great to have you

696
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: along for the ride, and Johnny that story out of

697
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: the French Ope and Naomi Osaka, who's not participating in

698
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: the tournament, and she's talked about suffering from depression for

699
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: the last two three years since the twenty eighteenth US Open,

700
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 1: I believe, and not wanting to do the big media

701
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: bash media gatherings. This has brought up topics in different

702
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: sports related to this. You know, what is the athlete obligation?

703
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: What should it be? Some athletes do have anxiety issues

704
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: or more serious issues, depression issues. And I think it

705
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: was I think she worded it very well talking about,

706
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: you know, getting up there in front of a large

707
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: group of people, you're basically you are public speaking and

708
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: it's off the cuff, which a lot of people don't like.

709
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the biggest fear in the world for

710
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: a lot of people know more than you know. Plane

711
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: crashes getting up in front of a group of people

712
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: in speaking. I'm not saying that's it for her or

713
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: any of these athletes, but I'm just talking about public

714
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: speaking in general. Your thoughts on this, because I think

715
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: it does bring up some very interesting points about, you know,

716
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: what should we expect from athletes in terms of media availability.

717
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 1: And I know it's a hot topic always in the NFL.

718
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: And you know a lot of NFL players don't like

719
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: to talk. We've had Arian here, Arian Foster at times,

720
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: you know, giving very short answers because he just didn't

721
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: want to talk. I'm not saying he suffers from those things,

722
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: but and that might be, you know, different reasons might

723
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: have led to that. You look at Marshawn Lynch, what

724
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: do you think of this whole thing? Well, I thought

725
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: about this a lot with Marshawn. And it's interesting because

726
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: when I would watch Marshawn go through, you know, a

727
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: press availability. I remember one time he did a press

728
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: availability and the camera was on as he was kind

729
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: of getting ready, and I could see that look on

730
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: his face and I was like, something's wrong. And I

731
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: say that from experience because when I mentioned I started

732
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: part of the meeting today. I think what you have

733
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Speaker 1: here is the intersection of anxiety of dealing with the media,

734
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: like a social anxiety that really is debilitating for a

735
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: lot of people. But you can't see it. I can't

736
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Speaker 1: see it right now. If Naomi as Soccer walked in

737
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: with a sprained ankle, or she walked in and she's

738
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,959
Speaker 1: got her arm and slang, we'd all go, oh, she's hurt.

739
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I mean, we could see it. I've

740
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: often said that when I write the book about my son,

741
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 1: I'm titling it. Well he looks fine to me, because

742
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: that's what I was told so many times. Well he

743
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: looks fine to me. But you know what, if Jack

744
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: would have walked in with a cast on his foot,

745
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: everybody would have gone, oh, my gosh, Jack, you're hurt. Well, right,

746
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: that's the thing you can't see. You can't see an

747
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: anxiety injury per se, and so you couldn't see it.

748
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: I saw it on Marshawn Lynch because really it kind

749
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: of been trained to look for it. And I felt

750
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: for him in that moment because I knew that was

751
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: physically hurting him, whether people want to believe it or not.

752
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: And I had heard this. I can't remember who said this,

753
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: but my wife repeated to me one time, and I

754
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: felt like this. It was a perfect way of saying

755
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: this that whether you know, when somebody deals with the

756
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: anxiety of that magnitude, the world is really attacking them

757
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: in all different forms, but you can't see it. As

758
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: an observer. You can't see it, and so you're like,

759
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: she's fine, she'd get up there and talk. She should

760
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: get up there and talk. But when you can't see

761
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: something like that, it's very difficult for someone to truly

762
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: understand it. I mean, I would, like I said, I

763
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 1: was listening to the Last Dance. Remember Scottie Scottie Pippin

764
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: having the migraine in nineteen ninety against the Pistons. Well,

765
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: you can't see a headache. In nineteen ninety eight, he's

766
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: got a back injury. Well you could see him going

767
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: through the back injury. Right, everybody's like, look at how

768
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: hard he's playing. He's playing with that back injury. Oh,

769
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: he could all see it. You couldn't see the headache.

770
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: So things you can't see make it so difficult for

771
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: people to understand that person's in pain in some way,

772
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: shape or form. It's just different pain than we're used

773
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: to seeing from those athletes. Now it brings to question,

774
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, should there be press availability? You know, there

775
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: are a lot there are a lot of players. I

776
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: bet if you said to the look um, you know,

777
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: talk to the media, they'd love it because that's self promotion.

778
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: That's something for them to get up and do every

779
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: single day. But if there are guys throughout the league,

780
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: and there are you know, men and women athletes that

781
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: that struggle because of that social anxiety, um, whatever it

782
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: might be, then maybe they should have the opportunity not

783
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: to do it, or have the opportunity to step away

784
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: from something like that. It's not The responsibility part is

785
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: the hard one for me, Mark, because we want the media,

786
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: We need the media to help engage with it. We're

787
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: kind of the conduit to the fans, right, so we

788
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: kind of need some of those press availabilities to know, Hey,

789
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: what was that coach thinking on fourth down? To kind

790
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: of bridge because the fans want to know, Like we

791
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: want to know if the fans want to know too.

792
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 1: So I don't want it to completely go away, and

793
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: I know it wouldn't because there are a lot of

794
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: people that I would want that sort of self promotion.

795
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 1: But I do think there's a way to maybe scale

796
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: it down and make some of those press availabilities maybe

797
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: more important, maybe doing a you know, some fewer ones,

798
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: and maybe do it in a way that makes it

799
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 1: a little bit easier for the athletes and the people

800
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: at the podium to do it, so it lessens the

801
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: anxiety of them stepping up and talking. For Yeah, I

802
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: think there are a lot of ways you could do it.

803
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: A pool reporter, a one on one, and then the

804
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: answers are fed to the rest of the media. I

805
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: know it hurts the follow up capability of some of

806
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: the media members. I get it, But you know what,

807
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: get over yourself. It'll be okay, all right. You get

808
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: to see the competition, ask a few questions through the

809
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: pool reporter, and that's it, as long as the athlete

810
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: is comfortable with that kind of format, especially if you

811
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: could get a camera. But if they don't want a camera,

812
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: I guess that's another thing. But if they don't want

813
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: a camera, how are they doing it on the playing surface?

814
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: But you know what, I guess you could say that

815
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: that might be a little bit anxiety provoking for them

816
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 1: as well. But I think we're not going to solve

817
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: all the problems of the world right here, right now,

818
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: but I just thought it was worth bringing up. Johnny,

819
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 1: thanks so much for being with us tonight. As always,

820
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: you gotta Mark, Thank you for having and tomorrow I

821
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: know we're gonna have some in the lab stuff and

822
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: some other fun stuff and more practice for your Texans

823
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: during OTA's Phase three. Thanks for listening. I have a

824
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: great night and go Texans.