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Speaker 1: That defender is in multiple pieces. All that was nasty.

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Speaker 1: who cover the teams. Drilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling,

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Speaker 1: Bring it on, bring it on. Slim the ground by

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Speaker 1: Buda Baker like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 1: I ain't scared to nobody. Here's Paul calvc let's store

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Speaker 1: with a show of hands here on Cardinals Underground. Who

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Speaker 1: did or did not see the Kyler Murray social media

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Speaker 1: post from the squat rack? I presume we all saw

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Speaker 1: that easy one right off the top here, Okay, Darren

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Speaker 1: Urban Danny surrect yours truly poly podcast. We all acknowledge accordingly,

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Speaker 1: we've seen it. Do you know the difference though, between

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Speaker 1: a Kyler Murray in his prime and those of us, Sue,

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Speaker 1: shall we say, are no longer in their prime, at

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Speaker 1: least physically. I'm talking here not mentally, because you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm about to bring it on this edition of

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground. Mentally. I gotta be honest. I just hurt

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Speaker 1: my foot in a household thing this weekend, so I'm

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Speaker 1: not really in the mood to talk about how stupid

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Speaker 1: I really am. It's perfect, though, That's a fitting anecdote

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Speaker 1: right here. You hurt your foot around the house. That's

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Speaker 1: perfect because you know what happened to me the last

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Speaker 1: time I had LEG Day. The very next day, you

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Speaker 1: know what happened. I woke up with a shoulder injury.

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Speaker 1: That's how you know you're no longer in your prime

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Speaker 1: when it's leg day and you wake up the next

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Speaker 1: day and you have an injured shoulder blade. How does

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Speaker 1: that happen? I'd ask Danny, but she has no concept

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Speaker 1: to that because she's not there yet in life. I

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Speaker 1: got I gotta as long as we're kind of going

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Speaker 1: down this road, Look, there's there's obviously a topic that

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Speaker 1: everybody is thinking about right now when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the top. Here we go. Well, maybe not when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the Cardinals, when it comes to me, and

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Speaker 1: because you're talking about the gym, obviously everybody wants to

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Speaker 1: know about this. But why do people find the need

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Speaker 1: to sing along with the song when they got headphones on?

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Speaker 1: If you're also wearing headphones, can you really hear them sing?

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Speaker 1: Obviously I can, because it's bothering the crap out of me.

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Speaker 1: Don't don't hit me with it, obviously, Darren, I know

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Speaker 1: everybody wants to that's been that's been bothering me. Do

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Speaker 1: you know what over the weekend I saw in one

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Speaker 1: I saw one of those the other day. What what?

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Speaker 1: What's that about? I understand if you like you're you're

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Speaker 1: that's crazy. See first, first of all, I know that

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Speaker 1: right now Paul is getting the hebe GEB's just talking about.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the socks is is not safe in

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Speaker 1: the gym. I don't recommend it, but bare feet. That's

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Speaker 1: improper decorum. Okay, that's just whit. Why socks if you

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Speaker 1: people that I see with the socks like they're not.

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Speaker 1: Although I do see people like you talk about squats.

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Speaker 1: I do see some people I don't even want to

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Speaker 1: There's all kinds of not fun stuff going on right now.

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Speaker 1: Why don't I just add to it? Um, it can

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Speaker 1: always get worse. Go ahead, Darren, Um. I was trying

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Speaker 1: She's like, did you break anything? And I'm like, it's good. Well, Darren.

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Speaker 1: You know when when you're my size, you realize early

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Speaker 1: safety of the ladder, or just don't clean. That's really

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Speaker 1: the moral of the story is just don't clean. One

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Speaker 1: of the best things, honestly, one of the best visuals

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Speaker 1: the Jock at Christmas time and Kalais Campbell walking down

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Speaker 1: What am I calling it? We call it these one?

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Speaker 1: Isn't an off season training activities? Isn't it? Doesn't it

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Speaker 1: all call under the umbrella shaking and said no, you

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Speaker 1: here's how it works. You start, maybe I'm sorry. Off

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Speaker 1: that's Phase one. Phase two. Players can go on the field.

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Speaker 1: It can only be offense or defense. You can't have

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Speaker 1: run through some plays half speed. Phase three, that's OTA's

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Speaker 1: That's when you can do offense. Defense still can't. You're

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Speaker 1: those things. Gotcha. Those are the organized team activity. Okay,

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Speaker 1: gotcham So what do you think would be the headlines?

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Speaker 1: Danny from day one of day one of the offseason program.

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Speaker 1: Day one of day one, I like it well. According

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Speaker 1: to a a head coach Jonathan Gannon, it might be running

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Speaker 1: back James Conner. When Gannon was after his press conference

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Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon, if anybody stood out, no hesitation, he said,

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Speaker 1: James Connor, he was curling Gannon's body weight. He made

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Speaker 1: it's it's good to get a scope of players that

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Speaker 1: are here working out. It is important though, to remind

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Speaker 1: people that just because a player is not in a

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Speaker 1: that they're not either a working out here or be

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Speaker 1: working out at all. A lot of these players are

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Speaker 1: maybe the philosophy and the tempo that this new strength

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Speaker 1: it's a staff, isn't it. They really bolster seven strength

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Speaker 1: right at least a notable Hollywood Brown in attendance. Yes,

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Speaker 1: because of Bernard's psych of it's maybe not. Maybe they

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Speaker 1: can only do ninety mandatory psycho. There you go. They've

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Speaker 1: and that kind of thing. Okay, so you have all that.

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Speaker 1: he was asked about that. I think the single word

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Speaker 1: he used was awesome to describe the experience, and once again,

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Speaker 1: way out. It's just the norm. Just you know, get

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Speaker 1: Damon Collins elaborated a little bit on it, talked about

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Speaker 1: Gannon's message basically revolved around team is greater than player

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Speaker 1: needing improvement. So it all starts with Jonathan Gannon, the

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Speaker 1: up to three, and they went from twelve to three,

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Speaker 1: and they end up giving up the three first round picks.

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Speaker 1: What's funny is I saw a thing about that this

428
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Speaker 1: week that because I don't know if you remember at

429
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Speaker 1: the time, but there's there's still there was a there's

430
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Speaker 1: another reporter who was talking about some stuff this week

431
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Speaker 1: and said, this is just your annual reminder that when

432
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Speaker 1: the when the forty nine ers made that trade, they

433
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Speaker 1: were trading up to get mac Jones. And they changed

434
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Speaker 1: their mind after that trade before the draft, but they

435
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Speaker 1: that when they made that trade it was to get

436
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Speaker 1: mac Jones, which I don't think it really would have

437
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: worked out any better for them than true lance has.

438
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: And really the reason I bring it up is because

439
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Speaker 1: the latest smell Kiper mock draft, which dropped a few

440
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: hours ago, has the Cardinals, wait for it, trading down

441
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Speaker 1: with Tennessee at number eleven. So what what would you

442
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Speaker 1: have to be willing to receive if you are Arizona

443
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: to drop down eight spots? Okay, so any you play

444
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 1: Manias and Ford would you be willing to take? Because

445
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: here's what mel Kiper has in return for number three. Overall,

446
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: the Cardinals would net and get number eleven, Tennessee's first

447
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Speaker 1: round pick this year, number forty one, their high second

448
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Speaker 1: round pick this year, a round one pick next year

449
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, and either a round one or a

450
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Speaker 1: round two pick two twenty five deal or no deal deal. Darren,

451
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: I'd give that serious consideration. Although again, at eleven, you're

452
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Speaker 1: not getting Tyree Wilson, will not getting mel Kiper does

453
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Speaker 1: save the Cardinals taking Tyree Wilson at eleven. Look, if

454
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Speaker 1: you could tell me Tyree Wilson's going to be there

455
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Speaker 1: at eleven, I am running to make that trade. I

456
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna be there at eleven, but I'm

457
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Speaker 1: running to me. That's the thing is is it all

458
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: depends on what the Cardinals draft board looks like. How

459
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: many players on that board would you feel comfortable that

460
00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: would not only be there, but you'd be willing to

461
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: take that risk and you and you still feel like

462
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: that's worth it for you? Could I agree this. The Cardinals,

463
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: in the state they're in right now hitting the reset

464
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: button have enough needs that a number eleven they're gonna

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Speaker 1: fill a need. Whether whether it's whether that's the benefit

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Speaker 1: of them, I agree with you, guys. Edge rush, pass

467
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Speaker 1: rusher is need number one. I agree. But if they

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Speaker 1: get the top corner of the draft or the second

469
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Speaker 1: best corner of the draft, or they get a top

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman, or they get a top defensive lineman. Guess

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Speaker 1: what those are your top needs? Yes, well, and again,

472
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Speaker 1: if the Altons are trading up to three, they're getting

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Speaker 1: a quarterback that's gonna be young. You might get a

474
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Speaker 1: pretty decent first round, although Tannehill might be there this

475
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Speaker 1: next year. But I mean, I don't. I don't anticipate

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Speaker 1: the Titans first round picking top five. I don't. I

477
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna end up well, and you don't know.

478
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure the Seahawks never anticipated a top five.

479
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: But the thing is too is if you have two

480
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Speaker 1: first round draft picks that could be leverage for a trade.

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00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: From the cardinal standpoint, also true, I mean the Titans.

482
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: If you want to forecast next year, the Titans offensive

483
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: line needs serious work. What is the status a Tannehill?

484
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: His play hasn't been stellar the last season and a half.

485
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: Malik Willis man did he look like a rookie last year?

486
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: And I think they do not see a future in

487
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Speaker 1: Malik Willis His accuracy was horrendous. And if you're going

488
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Speaker 1: to play a rookie quarterback, I'll take that team's first

489
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: round pick every year. Yeah, so I like the odds

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Speaker 1: of the Tennessee first round pick next year and maybe

491
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Speaker 1: even the following year being in the top half of

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Speaker 1: the draft. What's interesting is is mel Kiper had a

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Speaker 1: full two round mock, so in that scenario, we had

494
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals at number thirty four taking Quentin Johnston, the

495
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: TCU wide receiver. There's a lot of people that think

496
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: he's the best receiver out there, and so's he does

497
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: have a top thirty visit scheduled as of this addition

498
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: of Cardinals underground with the Cardinals and he's that big

499
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: receiver they desperately need head at six foot three and

500
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: he plays big. And then at forty one they have

501
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: the Cardinals taking the defensive tackle they need the interior guy,

502
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: Mazzy Smith from Michigan six three three twenty three and

503
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: just for kicks, because we had him down last week

504
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: and I went through and I did a little bit

505
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: of research on him. It was interesting what his teammates

506
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: say about him, because they went around and Michigan did

507
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: this video and they and one guy said, quote, I

508
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: feel like a brick wall could move. That's Mazzi, Smith,

509
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: Kirk Ferens this year when they played Iowa Michigan, Iowa.

510
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: He said, quote, oh yeah, he looks like a refrigerator.

511
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: Weighs three to fifty, but he can move and there's

512
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: crazy videos of him doing these ridiculous box jumps at

513
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: three hundred forty plus pounds. Now he says he's gotten

514
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: his weight down about three twenty five and that's really

515
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: the sweet spot. But he also would mists when we

516
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: showed up in Michigan, he was quote fat and needed

517
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: to reshape his body. So but anyway, I look, you'll

518
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: be happy with that draft. Oh, I would take that

519
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: in a minute. I actually, if you could tell me

520
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: the Cardinals were getting that draft capital for the future

521
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: and Tyree Wilson and Smith and Johnston, I would sign

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Speaker 1: off for that. And I mean I was signing off

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00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: for that as soon as you said Tyree Wilson, I

524
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: love I love all those picks. I love them. And

525
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: now that OBJ is signed for fifteen million guaranteed, you

526
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: know what, I think that renews your hope you're going

527
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: to get a decent draft pick for DeAndre Hopkins or

528
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Speaker 1: am I reaching on that one? You're reaching on that

529
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Speaker 1: one I am, I mean, come on out as OBJ

530
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Speaker 1: get fifteen million guaranteed? How do I mean really? I

531
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: mean we had this well, we had this discussion with

532
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: Drew Stanton on the Red Sea report. I mean, OBJ

533
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: right now is nowhere near the caliber of a DeAndre.

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00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you, but one, you got extenuating

535
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: circumstances with the Ravens, which is basically, you're trying to

536
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: get your quarterback happy enough to come back. And the

537
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: other thing about DeAndre Hopkins and or Odell Beckham is

538
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: Beckham just cost the money. You have to pay DeAndre

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00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: the money, and you have to give up some kind

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00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: of compensation. It's sort of the Sean Payton effect. You're

541
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: willing to do one or the other, but not both.

542
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm dying to know how the Hopkins thing

543
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: turns out. Will you ask Jonathan Gannon about de Hoop today?

544
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: What somebody somebody asked him if he was going to

545
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: be here, and he said, we'll see, and we're I'm paraphrasing,

546
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: but he said, we want to do what's best for

547
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: both DeAndre and for us. And he said they've been

548
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: in contact, and they've been in contact Now, even if

549
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: it was a normal year, would we be that shocked

550
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: if DeAndre wasn't here for the first day of voluntary workout?

551
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: It's probably not. That's a rhetorical question. So but what

552
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: happens there, I don't know. I mean, I'm still hopeful

553
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna get at least a third round pick on

554
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins Jason, just based on the lack of supply

555
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: in this draft class and the fact they are no

556
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: legitimate free agent receivers really left. They are going to

557
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: be difference makers that are going to be plug in

558
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: play as wide receiver one or two. And there are

559
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: enough teams that still have that serious need. Look at

560
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: the Giants. I was reading about the Giants in it

561
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: how much research they've done in this draft class, and

562
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: they brought every receiver under the moon in for visits

563
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,959
Speaker 1: and workouts. I mean, the Giants need a top flight receiver.

564
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: Guess what, New York it's not in this draft. Most

565
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: likely it's not going to help you immediately. How does

566
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: that affect hop Does that mean you think he is

567
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: more likely to be traded before or on Draft night

568
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: or after the draft? One's teams realize what they have

569
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: the thing about waiting till after the draft is one

570
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: if you're the Cardinals, that means whatever compensation you get

571
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: for him, you don't benefit until next year. That's the

572
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: tough part about it. And the other part about trading

573
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: after the draft, and we all know this is a

574
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: lot of times once you get right after the draft,

575
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: teams aren't in a situation where like, oh, absolutely have

576
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: to have this. They've filled out their rosters, they've gone

577
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: and got their undrafted rookies and they've gotten Now could

578
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: it happen, Yes, But if if DeAndre Hopkins is on

579
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: your team after the draft, then you're starting to talk

580
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: about something that might not happen until training camp possible.

581
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: And the other part that people can tend to forget

582
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: about it and you have some time after the draft,

583
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: but you're gonna you're gonna the front offices are gonna

584
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: be concentrating on their team, how they're putting together their

585
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: team the end of OTAs and then everybody goes on

586
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: vacation and nothing's gonna happen for like six weeks after

587
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: the last mini camp before training camp because even GM's

588
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: need time off, so everything's gonna go dead for a while.

589
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: So I think I still think if Hopp is going

590
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: to get moved, it's he will be moved by the

591
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: end of the draft. But we'll see what happens. You know,

592
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: a team might have designs like getting a certain player

593
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: in the first round of the draft, first day of

594
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: their draft, they don't get them, and then all, okay,

595
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: maybe they're that much more willing. But yeah, that is

596
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: a huge question. Josh Rosen got treated. And you know what,

597
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. As much as we love

598
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: to have immediate gratification in a d HOP trade, meaning

599
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: a pick this year, this year is filled with uncertainties. True,

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00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: And so whether you're going to trade away number three

601
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: for a pick next year and or the year after,

602
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: whether you're gonna trade away d hop for a pick

603
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: next year. Guess what, I get the sense we're all

604
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: gonna have to be patient. Well, the thing this isn't

605
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: more of a two year timeline, and it might be,

606
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: but but again, the other thing you got to remember

607
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: when you're talking about trades and future picks is usually

608
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: teams view future picks as a little less than now.

609
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: So if you are willing to accept a third round

610
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: pick in twenty twenty four. That's essentially giving away for

611
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: a fourth round pick this year. So do you want

612
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: that fourth round pick this year? Are you willing to?

613
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: You know that That's basically how it's kind of viewed.

614
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: So even if you were able to get a second

615
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: round pick next year, it's not quite the haul that

616
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: you're thinking it might be or what you do if

617
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: Tennessee indeed is your trade partner from three to eleven.

618
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: And the fact that Mike Vrabel and Ran carthon the

619
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: new GM have both gone on the record this offseason

620
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: as saying, yes, yes, we need to bolster the wide

621
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Speaker 1: receiver room. You just fold d Hop into the massive

622
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: draft a deal for number three down to eleven, and

623
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: somehow you know d Hop is part of that trade

624
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: because Tennessee I would put on the shortlist of teams

625
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: that is in dire need of his services and has interest. Yeah,

626
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: if they could only have a guy like a J. Brown,

627
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: they would have been alright, that's right. So did they

628
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: learn the hard way the value of a number one receiver?

629
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: Yes they did, and I'm sure Mike Vrabel is in

630
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: there pounding the table with his new GM saying please

631
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: make something happen. But once again, these quarterbacks are driving

632
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: the conversation in the draft right. For example, Will Leavin

633
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: supposedly reportedly allegedly his draft stock might be falling a

634
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: little bit just based on some of his interviews. Apparently

635
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: he likes himself some Will Levis, he's very confident in

636
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: his abilities. Maybe a little too confident with the egos.

637
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's just some of the

638
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: negativity that's thrown out there, but by a team that

639
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: does have designs on taking him trying to undermine his

640
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 1: draft status. You never know, As we all have learned

641
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: over the years, trust no one this time in the

642
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 1: month of April around the NFL. I get it, but

643
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: once again, I'm gonna have to see it to believe it.

644
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: That Houston does not take a quarterback, that Indianapolis does

645
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: not take a quarterback, I think, and so okay, that

646
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 1: probably drives the top four picks, and then ultimately, hopefully

647
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: if you're a Cardinals fan, that benefits the Arizona Cardinals

648
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: in one way or another. But in any scenario, I

649
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: just get the sense that, you know what, I'm gonna

650
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: be out there and a lot of fans are gonna

651
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: be out there at the draft party, and you guys

652
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: are gonna be at Cardinal's headquarters and you're gonna be

653
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 1: covering it. We're all gonna be amped up for number three,

654
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: don't jinx it, and it's gonna be traded away. I

655
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: would just love it. Was nice. I was gonna say,

656
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: I would just love a draft pick this year. Although

657
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: it was nice that Hollywood Brown that owner Michael Bidwell

658
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: went flew him out to the draft party, so you

659
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: still got the interview, and it was kind of almost

660
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 1: like having a draft pick, like you had that excitement

661
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: that person there. He was in the building the next day,

662
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: like a first round draft pick is. But man, I

663
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: just would love a first round draft pick this There'll

664
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: be a first round pick breaking news there will they

665
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: will not trade out of the time. Now they might

666
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 1: not pick it three, but they won't. It will be exciting. Yeah,

667
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: tell him about the draft party, Paul Well. There we

668
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: were and we had one eye on the actual draft.

669
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: I think she was talking about the next this one

670
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: coming out. I can't tell my story from last year.

671
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: I was pulling my best Darren Urban because I had

672
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: one eye on the draft ad one eye on the

673
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: Sun's playoff game. Because Jumbo tron I forgot about that,

674
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: and we put it on out there. They put it

675
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: on out there and once again, if there's a sun,

676
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: it could and so boom, what's up there? Full service

677
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: sports fan, okay, experience out there. And then all of

678
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: a sudden, midway through the first round, I don't know

679
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: is pick fourteen fifteen somewhere around there, they come into

680
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: the year and the year piece and they say, you know,

681
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: and they're they're a screening calm down, Oh my, oh no,

682
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: Cardinals just traded for Hollywood Brown and he's gonna be

683
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: here in about fifteen minutes, Like, what do you mean

684
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: he's gonna be here? Well, sure enough, as we found

685
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: out later, it was a deal that was done between

686
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: the two gms in late January, which brings me thanks

687
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: for asking Danny, because it really it begets the next question.

688
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: Could a deal already be done and they're playing coy

689
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: when Jonathan Gannon gets asked about it and the media said,

690
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: he just kind of gives the obligatory nod. I'm in

691
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: communication with DeAndre Hopkins. We'll figure something out. All in

692
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: a hot deal, A hot deal could be done, A

693
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: deal for number three, I think it's less likely on

694
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 1: three because I think the Cardinals would want to wait

695
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: because I think the price continues to go with each

696
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 1: passing day. But a d Hop deal potentially, theoretically could

697
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: already be done and the team you're trading with, So

698
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are just on the other side of the

699
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown equation exactly, got it. So you're kind of

700
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: breaking You're not really breaking news, You're you're breaking the speculation, surmising.

701
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: That's right, breaking breaking speculation. By the way. I enjoy

702
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: the tweet that said there have been six inquiries, not

703
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: six teams of call, Like what what does that mean? Hey,

704
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: are you trading this pick? Like, because that could be

705
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: if a team did that. Yes, we're trading. Okay, we

706
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: just were checking and that's one of them. That doesn't

707
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: really matter. And does that automatically come from the Cardinals

708
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: team up, Adam Schefter? Does that somehow help the Cardinals?

709
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: Are they? So they're trying to restoke the fire. Everybody,

710
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: if it's for sale, your best and you're like, okay,

711
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: that nobody's gonna end. We're hearing that, and who knows

712
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 1: if the Colts haven't checked in on it. But there's

713
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: six other teams that might want to trade into that pick.

714
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: That's not good, no, BLAINO. Yeah, that's right. We got

715
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: six teams and not one of them is the Innnanapolis Colts.

716
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: Jim Rsey hasn't, you know, placed a rogue phone call.

717
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard hasn't called the red phone. I mean, what's

718
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: going on around here? Because we need the Colts to

719
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: call first and foremost, because if you want to hear

720
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: one team's offer more than any other, it would be

721
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: Indianapolis to start right. Absolutely so, by the way, we

722
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: agree with that. Apparently Chris Simms does not. Did you

723
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: see Chris simms rankings of his top five edge rushers,

724
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: No Pro Football Talk. Chris Simms former NFL quarterback number one,

725
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: Tyree Wilson, number two, Lucas Vaness Iowa number three according

726
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: to Chris Simms, Nolan Smith, Georgia the speedster. Now we

727
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: get to number four, Will McDonald Iowa State. Not Will Anderson,

728
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 1: who was ranked number five on Chris Simms's Big board

729
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: of edge rushers in the twenty twenty three draft. Really

730
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: at Will Anderson five? I mean, no wonder he's meeting

731
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: with Houston and Detroit this week because all of a sudden,

732
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: Will Anderson is going twelve to Houston. I mean, what

733
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: are we talking about here? And Craig Grilu, you know,

734
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: referenced the silly season. Yes, this would qualify as silly season,

735
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: would it not. Well, there's definitely clickbait going on, There's

736
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: no question about that. I'm not saying that that's what

737
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: this was, but I'm not saying that's not what it

738
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: was either. So uh yeah, I don't I don't really

739
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: see that being plausible or a possibility. So, by the way,

740
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: speaking to Houston Will Anderson, are we or are we

741
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: not buying that they're automatically going to take a quarterback.

742
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: Do you think, Danny there is a chance that maybe

743
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: they wait to twelve to see if someone like oh

744
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: Will Levis does fall. No, I don't think so. I

745
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: think with the recent years that Houston has had and

746
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: the opportunity in front of them and trying to turn

747
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: things around, this is about as good as an opportunity

748
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: as it gets to do that. With the quarterbacks that

749
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: are slated to go in the top of the draft,

750
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: I don't see them waiting for twelve if. Again, the

751
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: big if is what do they think of these quarterbacks.

752
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: If they're looking at Will Levis and they see brain Gabbert,

753
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: it's a good comp By the way, that's a really

754
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: good comp Why would you want to pick him two

755
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: or twelve? You know, that's a thing you don't And

756
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: in Anthony Richardson, if you see JaMarcus Russell, you don't

757
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: want any part of that, no matter where it is.

758
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: So you know, again, some of this has to do

759
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: with what these teams feel is the level of these quarterbacks,

760
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: and we're just not going to know. Now. Again, all

761
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: it takes is one. All it takes is one desperate team.

762
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: But like if if you're Houston and you really aren't

763
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: sure of whoever might be on the board for you,

764
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't make a lot of sense to take one

765
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: now because all you're doing if you take if you

766
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: take a quarterback that you're you're only somewhat intrigued with

767
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 1: at two or even at twelve, you're you're the Jets.

768
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: You're Zach wil singing in all over again. Why would

769
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: you do that? By the way, the JaMarcus Russell was

770
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: probably too severe. It's not like Anthony Richardson is a

771
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: disaster off the field, like a Johnny Manziel or Jamark,

772
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: you know, but a Mitchell Trubisky, Zach Wilson. You know again, Mitchel,

773
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: they kill the pro day. They have all the measurables

774
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: and the attributes, but they're just not They just Zach

775
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: Wilson's been a little bit weird and it seems like

776
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: he's a little bit full of himself and that hasn't

777
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: helped him. I mean, Mitchell Trubisky, he played one year

778
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: and he did well, and it's not his fault that

779
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: people fell in love with them. I mean, he didn't

780
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: do anything wrong. I said that about myself all the time.

781
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 1: But yeah, a Blakank Gabbert, you know, I think I've

782
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: heard you say that. Actually, you know a Blake Bortles

783
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: right who numbers you know, Jacksonville. We had a few

784
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: of those, so okay. Also, it's amazing what happened. I

785
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: took one day off and all of a sudden, Also

786
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: news comes out that Cliff Kingsbury is a member of

787
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: the USC staff. There was another headline that came out.

788
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a little surprised he went back to college

789
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: because he made it quite clear he did not enjoy

790
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: the recruiting side of things. But I guess maybe if

791
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 1: you're just working for the quarterbacks, you're probably not having

792
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: to do a ton of that. Players are more likely

793
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: going to want to, you know, come to you in

794
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: that aspect. But going with Lincoln Riley, I was just asking, actually,

795
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: you weren't in the office day, Paul. But I turned

796
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: to our team photographer who sits next to me, and

797
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: I'd said to her randomly a couple hours before that

798
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: came out, of what do you think Cliff's been up to?

799
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: He's probably back from Thailand. What do we think he's

800
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: been doing? And then that comes out on Twitter Monday night,

801
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, Oh, he's been in California. So

802
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: is his position? Does he actually have a position, because

803
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: he hasn't been officially hired yet, so there's been no announcement,

804
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: and people are saying he might just be officially an

805
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: analyst that would work with the quarterbacks. And I'm gonna guess,

806
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: I don't know my buy laws of college football twenty

807
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: twenty three, but if you're an analyst, maybe you're not

808
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: even eligible to recruit. I bet you he probably can

809
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: do some stuff, but it's not going to be part

810
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: of the job description. That would be my guess. I mean,

811
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: let's face a Paul Any coach on the staff right

812
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: now as a recruiter, because these dudes can leave after

813
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: every single season, So even if you've got them on

814
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: your roster, you're still constantly recruiting them for they're leaving. No,

815
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: you're right, and the question that all Cardinals fans are

816
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: probably thinking of how this prot haines to the cot

817
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: From what we know, it would be that the Cardinals,

818
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: from reports, would pay him more as a quarterbacks coach

819
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: or something somewhere else as opposed to being in the

820
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: league or an offensive coordinator or a higher position. Right.

821
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 1: I first of all, I don't know there was offset language.

822
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: I assume there was some kind of offset language. And

823
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 1: we're also assuming that when he was let go by

824
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: the Cardinals it was just hey, you get what's left

825
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: on your contract and they didn't figure out some buyout.

826
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: But let's say that he just left with his contract,

827
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: then I would assume there's some offset language. And if

828
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: there's offset language, I don't know if there would be

829
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: a difference between pro and college, but ultimately, whatever USC

830
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 1: was paying him per year, that would be taken off

831
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: of whatever the Cardinals owe him for whatever year. Now

832
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: that's guestimating. I don't know any of that for fact,

833
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: but that's generally how it would work. So if he's

834
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: if he was getting paid six million dollars a year

835
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 1: from the Cardinals and USC was willing to pay him

836
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: half a million dollars a year, then the Cardinals would

837
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: only owe him five point five million. And these are

838
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: just guesting numbers, but I mean USC wouldn't be ob

839
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: I mean, Cliff's gonna make the same amount of money

840
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: no matter what USC pays them, So it's not a

841
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 1: big deal. You know, they can pay him as little

842
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 1: as they want. Really, I mean, there are multiple reports

843
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Twitter. They have termed him the quarterbacks

844
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: coach for Lincoln Riley, and Lincoln Riley was his backup

845
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: once upon a time in the quarterback room at Texas

846
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: Tech when they were both college players, so they've had

847
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: a long standing relationship. To me, when I first saw it,

848
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: I said, oh, Cliff Kingsbury isn't necessarily going to USC.

849
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: He's just going to Los Angeles. He's going to southern California.

850
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: It's not like, at least to me, there's no way

851
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: that Cliff Kingsbury takes. Let's say Lincoln Riley was the

852
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: head coach at Mississippi State. He's not going to Starkville.

853
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 1: I just don't see Cliff doing that at this point

854
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: in his But he gets to be in southern California

855
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: and be the quarterbacks coach, no pressure, no media obligations, right,

856
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: he just gets to coach ball and interact with the

857
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and boom. It's a good gig if you can

858
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: get it. And so there you go. That's but you

859
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: know what, and we talked about this Danny too as well. Look,

860
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: as much as Cliff maybe needed a break, there's no

861
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 1: way he's stepping away from the game, no way, no chance.

862
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: But his work ethic, Yes, it's you don't just turn

863
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: that off at age forty three, forty four. No, yeah,

864
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: I think it's you almost forget how young he is.

865
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: That he's not like one of these other coaches where okay,

866
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: maybe it's just time to kick cook up my feet

867
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: and retire. Now, it doesn't really surprise me that he

868
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: has found his way back into football. So there you

869
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: go on that front. What else, Darren do is should

870
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: we expect in the near future? Is there anything you

871
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: know and turn. I mean, there's this slow drip of

872
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: the Cardinals signing players, right and they just signed well again,

873
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: like in another Monday headline that I was not around,

874
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: four was they signed a course Chris Boyd. He's a

875
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: special teamer from Vikings, and there were there were Vikings

876
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: fans who were disappointed he left, and he seems I

877
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: got to talk to him a little bit of very

878
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: energetic dude. I think he'll be good in the locker

879
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: room and he was very good on special teams. But again,

880
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: they've got sixty seven, only sixty seven players right now.

881
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: They still need a ton of players. You've got eight

882
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: draft picks that would take you at this point to

883
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: seventy five. Now, I guess you could sign fifteen undrafted rookies,

884
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: and that's possible, And Paul, you and I have been

885
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: around in years when that has happened. It doesn't seem

886
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 1: like that's happened as much in recent memory, but there

887
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: have definitely been years with fifteen undrafted rookies, and I

888
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't be completely stunned. I mean, I don't know if

889
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: this qualifies as a hot take, but I'll say this

890
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: much right here in early April about the year Zona

891
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: Cardinals twenty twenty three. I have no idea what they're

892
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: going to look like on defense. I have no idea

893
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: what they're gonna look like on offense. But based on

894
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: the caliber of players they have signed and their special

895
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 1: teams coordinator Jeff Rogers, I think they're gonna be pretty

896
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: stout on special teams in twenty twenty three. And I'm

897
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: pretty much serious right there. When you when you add

898
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: a Josh Woods and now Chris Boyd, and you already

899
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: got Chris Barnes and Kaiser White, and Dennis Gardak has

900
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: still on this roster if he indeed is a member

901
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: of this team. You know a special teams guy who's

902
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 1: been as a Pro Bowl alternate. Okay, I just think

903
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: you know Zach Pascal, who's played on all the special

904
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: teams his entire career and takes a lot of pride

905
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: in it. Right now, I would say special teams are

906
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: are are what you probably feel the most confident in,

907
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: maybe in this team right now. Honestly, probably fair, I

908
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: would have created that's a pretty fair statement at the moment.

909
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: You know, now, if we can just draft a punter,

910
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: right everyone on board with that? There you go. Is

911
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: that on the bingo card. By the way, kelvcis to

912
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: be future drafting upun her. What question would you have

913
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: for me? Are the son's gonna win the West? Oh? God,

914
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: I hope, so, I certainly hope. So you know my

915
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: wife is uh informed myself and my sons that there's

916
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: a chance she will not be in the same room

917
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: with us until the sons are eliminated from the playoffs?

918
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: Are annoying? What are your superstitions? We're pretty anno. We

919
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 1: don't have any superstitions. Now, just yell at the television. Okay,

920
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: who yells at the officiating? More? That's my youngest son.

921
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: Let me finish. Let me finish the question. Who yells

922
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: at the officials more? Team Urban or the Mavericks, Darren

923
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: and his sons or Lucas I do? I do think

924
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: that would be probably Luca Dante. He's got a little

925
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: he's a little more invested than not by much, but

926
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: he's a little more invested by much. What percentage of

927
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 1: the game when you're watching a son's playoff game, would

928
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: you say you're standing? Oh? Not? Not often? Not often,

929
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: it gets to the end. I remember standing for the

930
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: value okay, but most of the time. Now, okay, all right,

931
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: you're not okay. I just have this vision of you

932
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: just vaulting off your couch. We're no, no, We're all

933
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,479
Speaker 1: sitting on the couch saying stuff. Okay, all right, I've

934
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: grown as a person, not as bad as I was.

935
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: What is your level of confidence? I might have missed it.

936
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: What is your level of confidence? I look, I think

937
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: I think having Kevin Durant is really good for this team.

938
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: I think they're probably better set up for how the

939
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: playoffs will go. And I think it's wide open in

940
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: the West. But I you know, if they if they

941
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: lose one of these rounds, even if it's the first round,

942
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: will I be shocked. I won't be shocked, because that's

943
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: how the year is gone. I mean, that's how the

944
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: year has gone for most of these teams. Remember when

945
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: I think I told you guys, I was going to

946
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: try and like baseball more this year. I used to

947
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: work in baseball for me. I went to the Diamondbacks

948
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: home opener nice. Yes, yeah, making an effort trying to

949
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: watch it on TV. But that's kind of hard because

950
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm not going to pay for an MLB TV streaming subscription.

951
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: So who's your provider? You don't get YouTube TV? Oh yeah,

952
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: yours truly as well. Yeah, but look, I am making

953
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: an effort so and I've gotten out the alerts on

954
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: my phone, so I'm trying. So far, I've been two

955
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: for two with I guess new Year's resolutions, which was

956
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: to make the Paul Bingo card and to try and

957
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: like baseball. Well, it's easier to like the d Backs

958
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: this year. They're off to a good start, right, seven

959
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: and four and all a bunch of front runners. Yeay, okay,

960
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: Now you have to tell the Cardinals fans about this

961
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: year's draft party, Paul, if they're going to start making

962
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: their plans. Oh yeah, Well, I wish I had all

963
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 1: the bullet points in front of me. I don't exactly

964
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: have the game plan right in front of me, so

965
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: I might have to defer to you guys to run

966
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: it down. But having done it for ten years plus,

967
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: I can tell you, and I do mean this a

968
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 1: good time has had by all. It's a very good vibe.

969
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: You come on out to the Great Lawn. You have

970
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: the JumboTron so you can watch the draft. You know

971
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 1: you have players and co just show up. They come

972
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: up we do a little Q and A. They're in

973
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: a good mood, you see some of their personality. And

974
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: most of the time, I say, nine of the last

975
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: ten years we have had the first round pick either

976
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: in person or via satellite uplink up on the JumboTron.

977
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: In fact, the first time Josh Rosen said the words

978
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: that there are nine mistakes made in front of me

979
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 1: were actually at the draft party before you ever told

980
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: it to the media. Nice. So I liked what it said.

981
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: So I thought you were gonna say everybody goes to

982
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: see you. Absolutely not even after And you know what,

983
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: I'm just I find that hard to believe. And where

984
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: were we we? Oh gosh to believe because we were

985
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: on the road one game this season and I was like,

986
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 1: Paul and I were the last two walking off the

987
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: field into the tunnel and somebody was chanting Paul's name

988
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: a fan. Oh stop that the This is I think

989
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: twelve years in a row I've hosted it, and every

990
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: year when the when the press release comes out and

991
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it again right now, I just see

992
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: maybe there's a mention of no, absolutely not, no mention

993
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: of of your we have the kids interactive zone you

994
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: have the autographs, you have the entertainment. You have the

995
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: big red siren. That's always good because people think it's

996
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: easy to crank. It's not. You better bring it if

997
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: you're standing up there over the big red siren. Never

998
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: not once no, once again. I'm not in the press release.

999
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: They don't ask me to crank the big red siren. Okay,

1000
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: just manage your expectations. That's They have the junior cheer

1001
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 1: mini clinic. Great for girls ages five to fourteen. It's

1002
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: a good time, no, it really is. The weather is

1003
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: always glorious, especially the sun goes down. Parking. Yeah, and

1004
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: then there's all the concessions. You can buy a beverage,

1005
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: there's all the food. Uh no, Siri, it's it's great.

1006
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: And the audio and the video is stellar quality because

1007
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: it's run by the Cardinal Stadium staff. So absolutely, if

1008
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: you can, I do encourage you to attend, and if

1009
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: you can't, for whatever we reason that Thursday and then

1010
00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: Saturday we will be live streaming draft shows. Myself, Craig

1011
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: ReLU one or both of you might be making an

1012
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: appearance at some point over the weekend, but well, we

1013
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: will be live streaming around the pick On the Cardinals

1014
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: YouTube channel and Twitter as well, so you can tune

1015
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: in there here from the pressers, we're gonna have all

1016
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: that good all that good coverage. And what's great is

1017
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: you do it from the Cardinals Dignity Health Training Center.

1018
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: So like last year, for example, the head coach and

1019
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: GM just pop right in. Yep, we're gonna do it

1020
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 1: from our brand new beautiful studio Seakeeek Studios this year.

1021
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 1: That's worth a price of admission alone just to see

1022
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: the new studio. Absolutely, man, Okay, so there was that

1023
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: in your contract, Danny, before you came back for year two,

1024
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 1: you had to make sure there was a new studio

1025
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 1: in place. Was that was that part of the negotiation,

1026
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: No comment. That's the kind of pull I've got around here,

1027
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: poxactly exactly, So all right, very good, um yours truly.

1028
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: I'm now off to buy a used car for a

1029
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: sixteen year old. I don't want to get into it,

1030
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: really need the headache. He says, he's ready. His old

1031
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: man is definitely not ye oldest he is. And so

1032
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: let me tell you know what the fun part is.

1033
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: It is when you get the fourth car and then

1034
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: you start realizing you're paying insurance on all of them,

1035
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 1: and it goes crazy through the roof. Well, funny you

1036
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: bring that up, Darren, because about two hours ago I

1037
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: got the quote, the potential quote, and it's more than

1038
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: my wife and I pay. Yeah every year. Yeah oh

1039
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: yeah for the sixteen year especially, and that's just adding

1040
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: the third right, and it's the sixteen year old mail. Yes,

1041
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 1: because they so poorly cocally yes, yes, so well yeah

1042
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,399
Speaker 1: because when we when we got the our boys got

1043
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: the college and we got them cars in college. So

1044
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: when we got the the we got the Well, I

1045
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: bought a new car. I bought a new car, gave

1046
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: him my old car, which was nine years old, and

1047
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: I pay lesson insurance on my brand new car. Then

1048
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: we're paying for him because he's now the main driver

1049
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: on that car. Yeah, it's um, it's gonna come off

1050
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 1: as inheritance. Put it that way. That's why I keep

1051
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: telling them we either spend it on you now or

1052
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: you and you just get less when we die. Not

1053
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,200
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