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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Welcome to the Piketon Massacre, a production of

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<v Speaker 1>iHeartRadio and Katie Studios. We are here today for the

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<v Speaker 1>kase stand of Ohio versus Charles Reader. Case numbers twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen CR sixty eight The Coroner now Here from mister

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<v Speaker 1>Reer I stand here before you today to take accountability

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<v Speaker 1>for my actions. To accept responsibility for my conduct, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>Sheriff of Ohio, I should excuse me. Everything that I'd

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<v Speaker 1>worked for professionally, in honorably for twenty five years was

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<v Speaker 1>stripped to me with nobody good pointing but myself. If

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<v Speaker 1>I could go back and change it, I would a

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<v Speaker 1>million times. This. This is not who I am. Never

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<v Speaker 1>ever did I imagine myself on the defense side of

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<v Speaker 1>this court route that I've spent twenty five years of

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<v Speaker 1>my life in this county in law enforcement. I am

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<v Speaker 1>a good person, make bad decisions and choices I have,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm out pray that the work will find mercy

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<v Speaker 1>on me. This is the Piketon Massacre. Returned to Pike

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<v Speaker 1>County season two, episode five, To Protect and Serve. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Courtney Armstrong, a television producer at Katie Studios with Stephanie

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<v Speaker 1>Laidecker and Jeff Shane. On the morning of April twenty second,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty sixteen, the Pike County Sheriff's Office responded to calls

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<v Speaker 1>of multiple homicides in what would soon be considered Ohio's

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<v Speaker 1>most notorious mass murder. The bodies of seven adults and

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<v Speaker 1>one sixteen year old boy were found in four different

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<v Speaker 1>locations along a country road in Pike County. We know

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<v Speaker 1>all of these victims all members of the Rodent family.

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<v Speaker 1>The shootings have left the town of Pike and numb

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of unanswered questions as to how this unfolded

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<v Speaker 1>and who is responsible for that. As news of the

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<v Speaker 1>tragedy emerged, the nation turned to the area's top law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement official for answers, Pike County Sheriff Charlie Reader, to

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<v Speaker 1>give a brief update on what we are doing at

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<v Speaker 1>this time. I have deputies from my county and other

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<v Speaker 1>counties that are keeping the scenes secured. Here's reporter James Pilcher.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the one updating the media. He's the one who

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<v Speaker 1>is available. He's the one when you wanted to ask

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<v Speaker 1>how things are going. He was the one that you call,

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<v Speaker 1>so he began the face of the investigation early on.

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<v Speaker 1>This investigation is very large, one probably the largest in

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<v Speaker 1>Pike County that we've ever had and been a part of.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very tragic. I want everybody to be patient, but

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<v Speaker 1>understand that we are working around the clock, twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>hours a day. But this is going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>very lengthy reporter. Angeinette Levy covered many of readers briefings

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<v Speaker 1>during the course of the road and murder investigation. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he was out in front of us, standing next to

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<v Speaker 1>the Attorney General at the time, doing press conferences with him,

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<v Speaker 1>and he often became very emotional and people there were

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people in Pike County who really really

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<v Speaker 1>liked him. You came in like thieves in the night

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<v Speaker 1>and took eight lives, some being children. We are getting closer.

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<v Speaker 1>The family and the victims will have justice one day.

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Reader, by all accounts, is somebody who grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in Pike County. He did not come from a well

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<v Speaker 1>to do family or anything like that. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people out in Pike County or poor. He worked for

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<v Speaker 1>many years for the Pike County Prosecutor, Rob Junk. He

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<v Speaker 1>was his investigator, and at some point Charlie Reader was

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<v Speaker 1>appointed the sheriff by the Democratic Party in Pike County.

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<v Speaker 1>Criminal defense attorney Mike Allen remembered Readers twenty and sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>flight election. He got seventy five percent. It probably got

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five percent. It's pretty unheard of in any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of election, so at one point he was pretty popular sheriff.

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<v Speaker 1>There were a lot of people in the community who

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<v Speaker 1>felt that he did some good things at the sheriff's

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<v Speaker 1>office when he first took over. They felt like he

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<v Speaker 1>was cleaned up crime in the streets. Southern Ohio has

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<v Speaker 1>a very major rug problem with hopioids in methamphetamine and

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<v Speaker 1>fenton al in all of it, and a couple members

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<v Speaker 1>of the community claimed that Reader really was there for

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<v Speaker 1>the family after one of their members that died from

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<v Speaker 1>a drug over those and helped plan a memorial three

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<v Speaker 1>in his honor. So he was very approachable. He was

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<v Speaker 1>out and about in the community much more. Charlie Reader

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<v Speaker 1>branded himself as the people's sheriff. During the height of

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<v Speaker 1>the road and murder investigation, Sheriff Reader's passionate pleas for

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<v Speaker 1>justice earned him the trust of his community as a

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<v Speaker 1>sheriff of Pike County or A three hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>six days into this investigation, I've got a message for

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<v Speaker 1>the killers. We will find you, we will arrest you,

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<v Speaker 1>and you will be prosecuted. As this case moved forward,

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<v Speaker 1>the spotlight grew brighter and brighter in that area because

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<v Speaker 1>of this case. And I think he enjoyed the spotlight

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<v Speaker 1>to a degree, and I think he had greater political

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<v Speaker 1>aspirations as well. Here's producer Chris Graves speaking with investigative

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<v Speaker 1>reporter Jodi Barr. He covered the road and murder case

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<v Speaker 1>for Fox News nineteen and Cincinnati. What kind of power

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<v Speaker 1>does a sheriff wield in a community like Pike County.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the closest to the people of Pike County,

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<v Speaker 1>and you see that with a lot of elected officials

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<v Speaker 1>in more rural areas that you know, the sheriff is

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<v Speaker 1>literally the top dog in the county. He is the

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<v Speaker 1>face of law enforcement. He controls what happens with law enforcement,

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<v Speaker 1>where patrols happened. So as far as an elected official,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as a person holding power, your sheriff in

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<v Speaker 1>these areas, he is the man. Can something like that

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<v Speaker 1>go to someone's head? You've worked in law enforcement yourself

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<v Speaker 1>for quite a while. Oh yeah, you see it a

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<v Speaker 1>lot police chiefs or sheriffs, or somebody who's recently promoted

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<v Speaker 1>to a supervisory position. I mean, thank goodness, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>happen to a lot of them, but some of them

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<v Speaker 1>it does. Now, whether that happened here or not. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, but yeah, that very much could happen. As

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<v Speaker 1>the Road and investigation moved into its second years, some

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<v Speaker 1>disquieting rumors about Sheriff Frieder began to surface. As we

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<v Speaker 1>began to spend more time out there, we started hearing

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<v Speaker 1>the rumblings that there was some corruption out there. We

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<v Speaker 1>had heard rumors about him intimidating people and possibly taking

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<v Speaker 1>money from people who were in the drug dealing business.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I for one, was told by some of

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<v Speaker 1>my law enforcement sources in the Cincinnati area, Hey, you

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<v Speaker 1>need to be careful around him. He's dirty. And these

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<v Speaker 1>were just people that were my sources who said, you know, look,

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<v Speaker 1>I just want you to be aware, be careful. Was

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<v Speaker 1>it because they were afraid they didn't trust him? They

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<v Speaker 1>did not trust Charlie Reader. There was a rumor that

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<v Speaker 1>he was sexually harassing some female employees when he worked

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<v Speaker 1>at the Ross County Juvenile Detention Center. Records from his

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<v Speaker 1>personnel file said that he wasn't the right fit and

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<v Speaker 1>there were too many questions. He had a lawsuit in

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<v Speaker 1>small claims court in nineteen ninety five and Gallant Police

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<v Speaker 1>for not paying a debt, and there was a warrant

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<v Speaker 1>issued for him, but he ended up paying it. So

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there were some things out there. There appears

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<v Speaker 1>to be two sides of Charlie Reader. One that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the public sees, and they saw it in these naturally

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<v Speaker 1>televised broadcast press conferences where a reader is very emotional

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<v Speaker 1>talking about these Rodent murders very early on. And then

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<v Speaker 1>there's something you see and Charlie or reader where when

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<v Speaker 1>reader is challenged, you see another side of reader. So

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<v Speaker 1>he's got a very public face and a very private face.

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<v Speaker 1>Then oh yeah. Investigators recently towed vehicles that had been

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<v Speaker 1>parked at the homes where eight members of the Rodent

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<v Speaker 1>family were found shot to death in Pike County, Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>last month. The four mobile homes themselves where the bodies

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<v Speaker 1>were found will be removed from the scene to be

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<v Speaker 1>stored at a location in nearby Waverley. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get right out to investigative reporter Jodi Barr live in

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<v Speaker 1>Pike County. While I was in Pike County, I started

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<v Speaker 1>seeing things that I had the question what we found

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<v Speaker 1>at that evidence ware a house where the trailers, the vehicles,

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<v Speaker 1>the equipment that all belonged to the Rodens where the

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<v Speaker 1>Sheriff's Office in BCI took that. So we found problems

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<v Speaker 1>with the security of that evidence and the security of

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<v Speaker 1>that warehouse. I'm not an attorney. I've never prosecuted the case.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never collected evidence. But what I do know is

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<v Speaker 1>that evidence that is collected has to be secured. I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen prosecutions lost in court rooms in the States I've

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<v Speaker 1>covered because someone failed to secure one piece of evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course Charlie Reader was so central to what

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<v Speaker 1>we were looking at. He is the man in charge

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<v Speaker 1>that we had to go find him. We scheduled the

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<v Speaker 1>interview and we sat down and we had this conversation

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<v Speaker 1>with Charlie Reader. And I want to say it last

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<v Speaker 1>it's maybe forty five minutes to an hour. And again

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<v Speaker 1>back to watching the two sides of Charlie Reader. You

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<v Speaker 1>had the emotional Charlie Reader early on in the interview

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<v Speaker 1>where he's talking about you know, the Rodents and you

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<v Speaker 1>know what this is done to Pike County. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I broke out an iPad, and on that iPad I

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<v Speaker 1>had visuals the images that I had taken from that

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<v Speaker 1>warehouse of the gate standing wide open, another gate secured

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<v Speaker 1>with a piece of thin wire. You know, days and

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<v Speaker 1>nights of no law enforcement at that warehouse. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think Reader knew during the middle of that interview that

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<v Speaker 1>this was not going to look good when we reported it,

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<v Speaker 1>that what we found there look terrible and it reflected

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<v Speaker 1>on the job he did. So I solved Charlie Reader change,

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<v Speaker 1>but he changed into very defensive and red face. But

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<v Speaker 1>Reader finally admitted that they did not have a deputy

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<v Speaker 1>posted at that warehouse. Watching that avidage twenty four to seven,

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<v Speaker 1>what Schriff Reader did next struck seasoned reporter Jodi barrs troubling.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is Jodie's first hand account of the interaction. So

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<v Speaker 1>the interview ends, and my photographer and I are tearing

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<v Speaker 1>down the equipment and Charlie Reader walks us out the

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<v Speaker 1>front door of the old Sheriff's office in Waverley, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're standing on the port of that Sheriff's office and

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<v Speaker 1>Reader wants to make a deal, and he says, if

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<v Speaker 1>we'll just hold off on airing the report of the

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<v Speaker 1>evidence warehouse and wait until they could return property to

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<v Speaker 1>the family, that Reader would let us in and give

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<v Speaker 1>us full access to him and Charlie Reader's story of

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<v Speaker 1>the first one hundred hours after the Road and murders,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just told him, no, we don't make deals.

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<v Speaker 1>Several months after that report aired, I got messages from

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<v Speaker 1>people in Pike County, one after the other telling me

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<v Speaker 1>that there was a raid underway at this Road and

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<v Speaker 1>Evidence warehouse in Waverley. Well. I dropped everything I was

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<v Speaker 1>doing at Cincinnati and drove the two hours east to

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<v Speaker 1>this warehouse. And when I got there, there they were

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<v Speaker 1>Sheriff Charlie Reader, deputy was with the Pike County Sheriff's

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<v Speaker 1>Office carrying things in and out of this warehouse. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm standing there wondering what is going on here.

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<v Speaker 1>This shouldn't be happening unless if something's happened, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know about evolving the murders. This was a great public concern,

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<v Speaker 1>but that night Reader would not return my phone calls.

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<v Speaker 1>It was very contentious trying to get information out of

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<v Speaker 1>Pike County, out of the sheriffs office at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>But after that we were never able to access him again.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite Sheriff readers apparent handling of aspects of the Road

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<v Speaker 1>and murder investigation, authorities were able to put the Wagner

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<v Speaker 1>family behind bars in twenty eighteen. However, just weeks later,

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<v Speaker 1>area journalists got word that a different investigation, unrelated to

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<v Speaker 1>the road and murders was underway, one that placed Sheriff

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Reader on the other side of the law. The

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<v Speaker 1>State Auditor's Office released a document to all of us

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<v Speaker 1>that stated an anonymous tip had come into the Auditor's

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<v Speaker 1>office in which someone stated that everyone was scared to

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<v Speaker 1>death of Reader, that he was basically a monster, and

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<v Speaker 1>investigators needed to look into a safe that was in

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<v Speaker 1>his office that contained money seized in drug deals, and

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<v Speaker 1>it also said something about him possibly gambling and is

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<v Speaker 1>this really wore on? The investigation continued, and then words

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<v Speaker 1>started spreading around Pike County. It really took what was

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<v Speaker 1>going on with Charlie Reader to a whole new level.

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<v Speaker 1>In June of twenty nineteen, a grand jury brought forth

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen charges against Sheriff Charlie Reader. As a result, he

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<v Speaker 1>was suspended from office, bringing his three year ten year

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<v Speaker 1>a sheriff to a close. The indictment laid out details

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<v Speaker 1>of the investigation and his crimes. Reader originally faced several

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<v Speaker 1>counts of theft in office, which is a felony in Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as tampering with evidence, which is also a

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<v Speaker 1>felony in Ohio. So what happens is that Charlie Reader

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<v Speaker 1>has a pretty sizeable amount of money that he's taken

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<v Speaker 1>from alleged drug dealers in Pike County. Every sheriff, every

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement agency in the entire country, much less than

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<v Speaker 1>including Ohio, is allowed to seize money from suspects if

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<v Speaker 1>they think that that money or those goods are being

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<v Speaker 1>used in the commission of a crime. Money that was

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<v Speaker 1>seized in drug cases is supposed to be secured in

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<v Speaker 1>a safe or in a bank account or something, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can use him for education and purposes for the

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<v Speaker 1>sheriff's department. You can contribute it to appropriate charities. But

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<v Speaker 1>in these cases, at least on two occasions, the allegation

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<v Speaker 1>was that he took cash and converted it to his

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<v Speaker 1>own use. So the state auditor does their annual review

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<v Speaker 1>of the book. On the first past, the state auditors

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<v Speaker 1>find some money missing out of the seizure account, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they go back the Reader, and apparently he tries

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<v Speaker 1>to put it back, but these that leads to the

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<v Speaker 1>state auditor's office, then diving into getting warrants and diving

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<v Speaker 1>into his personal finance records, they find multiple expenses and

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<v Speaker 1>multiple trips to casinos, both in the area and out

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<v Speaker 1>of state, and tens of thousands of dollars spent to

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<v Speaker 1>casinos impossible debts. The records are pretty clear that showed

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<v Speaker 1>some pretty big losses at the racetrack, and also they

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<v Speaker 1>found that he withdrew more than twenty eight hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 1>from machines at the Atlantic Casino, so it was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>clear it was from gambling. Some of the other allegations

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<v Speaker 1>were that a lot of times in drug cases, cars

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<v Speaker 1>are forfeited, and in a couple of the charges, the

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<v Speaker 1>allegations are that at the auction he rigged it and

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<v Speaker 1>engineered it that either he or friends of his would

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<v Speaker 1>get those vehicles and then turn around and sell them,

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<v Speaker 1>So they were very serious charges. On September twenty fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, Sheriff Charles Reader pled guilty to five charges

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<v Speaker 1>filed against him. They included two counts of theft in office,

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<v Speaker 1>two counts of tampering with evidence, and one count of

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<v Speaker 1>conflict of interest. A few months later, he appeared in

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<v Speaker 1>court for sentencing. It was a day that Anteinette Levy

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<v Speaker 1>would not soon forget. What was the mood like through

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<v Speaker 1>all of this? I couldn't believe it. When I got

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<v Speaker 1>out there that morning, the street was blocked off. Are

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<v Speaker 1>members of the US Marshal Service there. The US Marshalls

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<v Speaker 1>Service bomb squad was there. There were sheriff's deputy there.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this was quite the operation. There were sniper's

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<v Speaker 1>own roofs. I actually have a photograph of a sniper

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<v Speaker 1>on a roof. And there had been some rumblings online, apparently,

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<v Speaker 1>people encouraging people to show up at the courthouse to

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<v Speaker 1>protest this sentence. There was some fear that people who

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<v Speaker 1>were really hardcore supporters of his might show up and

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<v Speaker 1>try to do something dangerous in order to keep him

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<v Speaker 1>from being sentenced to prison. It was crazy. It had

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<v Speaker 1>never even been like that for a Wagner Court hearing.

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<v Speaker 1>mood was much different. We're here today for starting in

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<v Speaker 1>the case State of Ohio versus Charles Reader, case numbers

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen CR. Sixty eight. Reader had his sentencing in

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<v Speaker 1>front of a visiting judge, Patricia Cosgrove, who had actually

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<v Speaker 1>sentenced three previous Ohio sheriffs on corruption charges. There were

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<v Speaker 1>five charges, and all of those could have gotten him

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<v Speaker 1>more than twelve years in prison. You see Charlie Reader.

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<v Speaker 1>He's sitting in court, sitting beside his defense attorney at

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<v Speaker 1>a table to the left, and at the table to

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<v Speaker 1>the right, the prosecutor who went to the grand jury

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<v Speaker 1>got the indictments against Reader, who got the guilty plea

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<v Speaker 1>from Reader months before. And you see these two tables

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<v Speaker 1>in opposition to one another, and the judges in the center,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's an empty podium in the center, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you see people walk up to that podium, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they start telling these stories of the good deeds Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>Reader did in certain instances around that county. He went

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<v Speaker 1>through one of the most horrendous crimes ever committed in

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<v Speaker 1>our counties. To my memory, what he went through, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't take you, ma'am, the knights, that he went sleepless,

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<v Speaker 1>what his family went through, what it done to his health.

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<v Speaker 1>But I believe in his heart Charlie Reader is a

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<v Speaker 1>good man. As Charlie made mistakes, yes, ma'am, he probably has,

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<v Speaker 1>But in the Bible it says you who are without saying,

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<v Speaker 1>cast the first stone. I couldn't throw many rocks at

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<v Speaker 1>it because I've made mistakes. To the one fact, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie was a man you could count on when you

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<v Speaker 1>needed him, and I would vote for him today just

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<v Speaker 1>as sure as I'm standing here as God is my witness.

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<v Speaker 1>After these people have said what they said, you see

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<v Speaker 1>a Reader walk up to the podium and including now

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<v Speaker 1>here fon mister Reader. You know he's a emotional, he's

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<v Speaker 1>in tears, and he's asking the judge for mercy to

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<v Speaker 1>be lenient with him in finacy. This is where he

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<v Speaker 1>is laying it all out and asking the State of

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio for mercy. I said, bad light on the office

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<v Speaker 1>of sheriff. I can only ask that my staff, their families,

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<v Speaker 1>the community, and my family who is here today, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>forgive me for the undooced dress I callstim I have

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm out prayed that the quirk will lay mercy

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<v Speaker 1>on me. I have no words for the shame that

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<v Speaker 1>I have and that I feel in the regret that

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<v Speaker 1>I have betrayed and just playing the trust if I

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<v Speaker 1>had with my staff in the community. Please do not

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<v Speaker 1>send me to prison. I have rolled, but I'm not runned.

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<v Speaker 1>I still have a lot of good left, did me.

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<v Speaker 1>During the proceedings, details of readers crimes were illuminated. The

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<v Speaker 1>state would note that the defendant was an elected county

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<v Speaker 1>sheriff who committed these crimes in his position as a

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<v Speaker 1>county sheriff. He used his position to obtain control over

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence bags and then use that control to remove

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<v Speaker 1>the funds and use them for his own benefit. The

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<v Speaker 1>majority of the funds involved were removed from the four

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<v Speaker 1>evidence bags cut open by defendant fourteen thousand seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and seventy five dollars was removed prior to the defendant

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<v Speaker 1>and his attorney turning those bags over to investigators for

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<v Speaker 1>the Auditor States Office. The different currency new in many

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<v Speaker 1>cases uncirculated bills were put into the currency bags, so

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<v Speaker 1>that restitution would have been taken care of at that point. Additionally,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a total of four thousand, eight hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>dollars outstanding, three thousand, five hundred from the purchase of

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<v Speaker 1>the Nissan Diversa, which was the profit made by the

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<v Speaker 1>sheriff on that transaction, three hundred and fifty dollars owed

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<v Speaker 1>to the purchase people who purchased the Chevy Silverado, and

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand dollars which the state says never made it

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<v Speaker 1>into the evidence bag. So Judge Patricia Cosgrove, she has

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<v Speaker 1>a reputation for being very tough on sheriffs in Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>who have been engaged in corruption, and she has no nonsense,

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<v Speaker 1>and she questioned reader from the bench. During the judges questioning,

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<v Speaker 1>Sheriff Rider did his best to explain his moral motivation

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<v Speaker 1>behind his actions. Why did you cut open these evidence

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<v Speaker 1>envelopes and take the money out? And then in some

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<v Speaker 1>cases you put it back, although you were caught because

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<v Speaker 1>the Hunday two. Soon it's your journey. Did you lose

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<v Speaker 1>three thousand dollars gambling at the Sciota downs Rocino between

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<v Speaker 1>June two thousand and seventeen in September two thousand and seventeen, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>not by myself. They have cards and of course, beginning

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<v Speaker 1>your honor of guilty to this, but they have cards

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<v Speaker 1>that you put in a machine. I can have a

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<v Speaker 1>card in my name, and I can have a card

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<v Speaker 1>in my name that my wife possesses, so I could

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<v Speaker 1>be at one machine and she can be at the other,

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<v Speaker 1>and the money that she spends and the money that

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:14.919
<v Speaker 1>I spend they count on the same card and calculating

0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:21.280
<v Speaker 1>the money as one well, obviously, and that doesn't answer

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<v Speaker 1>the question where did the money and the checking account

0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:27.279
<v Speaker 1>come from. Okay. Also, I want to ask you, in

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<v Speaker 1>late June two and seventeen, you took a trip to Reno,

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<v Speaker 1>Nevada for the Sheriff's conference, and then you withdrew twenty

0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:38.799
<v Speaker 1>eight hundred dollars a ATM. The state believes that some

0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:41.440
<v Speaker 1>of this shouldue to gambling. I mean you're talking like

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<v Speaker 1>over or almost six thousand dollars and a couple months

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 1>that you lost are expended on gambling. And at that

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:55.360
<v Speaker 1>point we were making almost eleven thousand dollars a month.

0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:59.080
<v Speaker 1>And that again was from my checking account where it

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:03.600
<v Speaker 1>should show my direct deposits, my wife direct deposits, and

0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:07.759
<v Speaker 1>that it came from our devot cards where I retrieved

0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:12.520
<v Speaker 1>that money. I don't doubt it came from debit cards.

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<v Speaker 1>The question is where did the money come when to

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<v Speaker 1>your checking account? And that's I guess that's that's that's

0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:24.600
<v Speaker 1>where that's where the media reported that I had marital

0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:29.480
<v Speaker 1>problems because it came from our joint bank account. My

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:32.920
<v Speaker 1>wife made very good money at the time, and I

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<v Speaker 1>took that money and I gambled. Okay, all right, um,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all the questions of court. Has she really let

0:36:42.400 --> 0:36:45.520
<v Speaker 1>him have it? She took no grief from him whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>It cannot be underestimated the damage that you have paused

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<v Speaker 1>to the citizens of Pike County, to law enforcement who

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<v Speaker 1>every day get up face the same sort of stresses

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<v Speaker 1>that you do. They go all home and night, they

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<v Speaker 1>get up in the morning, they don't know if they're

0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:07.759
<v Speaker 1>going to come home. The sacrifices that these men and

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 1>women at make, I think you've made a mockery of them.

0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:15.600
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't have imposed a much greater sentence than I have.

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:18.759
<v Speaker 1>As I said, I've taken a consideration some of the

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:22.880
<v Speaker 1>mitigating factors, but punishment is appropriate. To sentence you to

0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:26.800
<v Speaker 1>I considered the minimum. However, to sentence you to anything

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<v Speaker 1>less than three years in prison would demean the seriousness

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<v Speaker 1>of the offense and not adequately protects society from future

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:41.399
<v Speaker 1>criminal conduct by yourself and honors. The judge handed him

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<v Speaker 1>three years, and Reader walked out of that courtroom and

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<v Speaker 1>into a jail cell to pay for throwing away his career,

0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:55.360
<v Speaker 1>embarrassing himself, and embarrassing his family. Do you think he

0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:58.759
<v Speaker 1>became a victim of his own power? He said, A

0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:01.879
<v Speaker 1>sheriff in that county like that is top dog right,

0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:04.759
<v Speaker 1>maybe he started feeling he was above the law. You know,

0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:08.160
<v Speaker 1>in fifteen years of doing this job, looking at people

0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:12.799
<v Speaker 1>like Charlie Reader in multiple states with multiple different schemes

0:38:13.719 --> 0:38:17.480
<v Speaker 1>of crimes being committed, there's a trend with just sheriffs

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<v Speaker 1>in general where a lot of them get in trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it because they feel so powerful and untouchable? I

0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:25.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know, But man, when you look at it in

0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:28.879
<v Speaker 1>the final analysis, what we have here is a guy

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<v Speaker 1>in Pike County who had the county by a string,

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<v Speaker 1>who had the trust of people who live in that county.

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<v Speaker 1>So is it power? I don't know. All that I

0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:44.040
<v Speaker 1>know at this point is you had an elected official

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:49.840
<v Speaker 1>who makes them pretty bad decisions and he's paying for it. Now,

0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:53.840
<v Speaker 1>have you gotten a sense what the implications might be

0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:56.920
<v Speaker 1>for the Wagner cases. That Reader is now going to

0:38:57.000 --> 0:38:59.720
<v Speaker 1>jail their early facing the investigation is now in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>For whether or not that had anything to do with

0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:06.360
<v Speaker 1>the actual investigation, no one knows. But if I'm a

0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:08.160
<v Speaker 1>defense attorney, all I gotta do is throw up that

0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 1>smokescreen at some point and see what happens. And if

0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:13.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm a prosecutor, I'm thinking Okay, I need to have

0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:16.000
<v Speaker 1>a contingency plan to how to answer this. If you're

0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:19.840
<v Speaker 1>the defense, I'm assuming you will bring it up in court.

0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:23.879
<v Speaker 1>You'll point to that if the judge allows it and say,

0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:26.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, how can you trust this investigation. This man

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:30.680
<v Speaker 1>was out there on the scene that morning. I think

0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:34.239
<v Speaker 1>it makes people in the county question what's really going

0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:39.040
<v Speaker 1>on there? Well, we wait to see how Sheriff Freeder's

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<v Speaker 1>conviction will impact the Wagner trials. One journalist continues to

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<v Speaker 1>grapple with the legacy of the Rodent family murders, a

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<v Speaker 1>story that forever changed her life more than five years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>due to the Russian invasion. A monthly donation of just

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<v Speaker 1>twelve dollars can provide medical insurance for a child who

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<v Speaker 1>has lost a parent. To donate, visit children heroes dot

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<v Speaker 1>org slash Help That's Children, Heroes dot org, slash help

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<v Speaker 1>Children of Heroes. Urgent help for Ukrainian children today for

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<v Speaker 1>a brighter tomorrow.