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We are here today for the 38 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: kase stand of Ohio versus Charles Reader. Case numbers twenty 39 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: nineteen CR sixty eight The Coroner now Here from mister 40 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: Reer I stand here before you today to take accountability 41 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: for my actions. To accept responsibility for my conduct, I said, 42 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:39,399 Speaker 1: Sheriff of Ohio, I should excuse me. Everything that I'd 43 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: worked for professionally, in honorably for twenty five years was 44 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: stripped to me with nobody good pointing but myself. If 45 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: I could go back and change it, I would a 46 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: million times. This. This is not who I am. Never 47 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: ever did I imagine myself on the defense side of 48 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: this court route that I've spent twenty five years of 49 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: my life in this county in law enforcement. I am 50 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: a good person, make bad decisions and choices I have, 51 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: and I'm out pray that the work will find mercy 52 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: on me. This is the Piketon Massacre. Returned to Pike 53 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: County season two, episode five, To Protect and Serve. I'm 54 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: Courtney Armstrong, a television producer at Katie Studios with Stephanie 55 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: Laidecker and Jeff Shane. On the morning of April twenty second, 56 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, the Pike County Sheriff's Office responded to calls 57 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: of multiple homicides in what would soon be considered Ohio's 58 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: most notorious mass murder. The bodies of seven adults and 59 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: one sixteen year old boy were found in four different 60 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: locations along a country road in Pike County. We know 61 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: all of these victims all members of the Rodent family. 62 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: The shootings have left the town of Pike and numb 63 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: a lot of unanswered questions as to how this unfolded 64 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: and who is responsible for that. As news of the 65 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: tragedy emerged, the nation turned to the area's top law 66 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: enforcement official for answers, Pike County Sheriff Charlie Reader, to 67 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: give a brief update on what we are doing at 68 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: this time. I have deputies from my county and other 69 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: counties that are keeping the scenes secured. Here's reporter James Pilcher. 70 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: He's the one updating the media. He's the one who 71 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: is available. He's the one when you wanted to ask 72 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: how things are going. He was the one that you call, 73 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: so he began the face of the investigation early on. 74 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: This investigation is very large, one probably the largest in 75 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: Pike County that we've ever had and been a part of. 76 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: It's very tragic. I want everybody to be patient, but 77 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: understand that we are working around the clock, twenty four 78 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: hours a day. But this is going to be a 79 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: very lengthy reporter. Angeinette Levy covered many of readers briefings 80 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: during the course of the road and murder investigation. You know, 81 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: he was out in front of us, standing next to 82 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: the Attorney General at the time, doing press conferences with him, 83 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: and he often became very emotional and people there were 84 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people in Pike County who really really 85 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: liked him. You came in like thieves in the night 86 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: and took eight lives, some being children. We are getting closer. 87 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: The family and the victims will have justice one day. 88 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: Charlie Reader, by all accounts, is somebody who grew up 89 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: in Pike County. He did not come from a well 90 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: to do family or anything like that. A lot of 91 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 1: people out in Pike County or poor. He worked for 92 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: many years for the Pike County Prosecutor, Rob Junk. He 93 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: was his investigator, and at some point Charlie Reader was 94 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: appointed the sheriff by the Democratic Party in Pike County. 95 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: Criminal defense attorney Mike Allen remembered Readers twenty and sixteen 96 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: flight election. He got seventy five percent. It probably got 97 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: twenty five percent. It's pretty unheard of in any kind 98 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: of election, so at one point he was pretty popular sheriff. 99 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: There were a lot of people in the community who 100 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: felt that he did some good things at the sheriff's 101 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: office when he first took over. They felt like he 102 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: was cleaned up crime in the streets. Southern Ohio has 103 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: a very major rug problem with hopioids in methamphetamine and 104 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,239 Speaker 1: fenton al in all of it, and a couple members 105 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: of the community claimed that Reader really was there for 106 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: the family after one of their members that died from 107 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: a drug over those and helped plan a memorial three 108 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: in his honor. So he was very approachable. He was 109 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: out and about in the community much more. Charlie Reader 110 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: branded himself as the people's sheriff. During the height of 111 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: the road and murder investigation, Sheriff Reader's passionate pleas for 112 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: justice earned him the trust of his community as a 113 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: sheriff of Pike County or A three hundred and fifty 114 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: six days into this investigation, I've got a message for 115 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: the killers. We will find you, we will arrest you, 116 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: and you will be prosecuted. As this case moved forward, 117 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: the spotlight grew brighter and brighter in that area because 118 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: of this case. And I think he enjoyed the spotlight 119 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: to a degree, and I think he had greater political 120 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: aspirations as well. Here's producer Chris Graves speaking with investigative 121 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: reporter Jodi Barr. He covered the road and murder case 122 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: for Fox News nineteen and Cincinnati. What kind of power 123 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: does a sheriff wield in a community like Pike County. 124 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: He was the closest to the people of Pike County, 125 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: and you see that with a lot of elected officials 126 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: in more rural areas that you know, the sheriff is 127 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: literally the top dog in the county. He is the 128 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: face of law enforcement. He controls what happens with law enforcement, 129 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: where patrols happened. So as far as an elected official, 130 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: as far as a person holding power, your sheriff in 131 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: these areas, he is the man. Can something like that 132 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: go to someone's head? You've worked in law enforcement yourself 133 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: for quite a while. Oh yeah, you see it a 134 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: lot police chiefs or sheriffs, or somebody who's recently promoted 135 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: to a supervisory position. I mean, thank goodness, it doesn't 136 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: happen to a lot of them, but some of them 137 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: it does. Now, whether that happened here or not. I 138 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: don't know, but yeah, that very much could happen. As 139 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: the Road and investigation moved into its second years, some 140 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: disquieting rumors about Sheriff Frieder began to surface. As we 141 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: began to spend more time out there, we started hearing 142 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: the rumblings that there was some corruption out there. We 143 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: had heard rumors about him intimidating people and possibly taking 144 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: money from people who were in the drug dealing business. 145 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: I know, I for one, was told by some of 146 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: my law enforcement sources in the Cincinnati area, Hey, you 147 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: need to be careful around him. He's dirty. And these 148 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: were just people that were my sources who said, you know, look, 149 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: I just want you to be aware, be careful. Was 150 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: it because they were afraid they didn't trust him? They 151 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: did not trust Charlie Reader. There was a rumor that 152 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: he was sexually harassing some female employees when he worked 153 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: at the Ross County Juvenile Detention Center. Records from his 154 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: personnel file said that he wasn't the right fit and 155 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: there were too many questions. He had a lawsuit in 156 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: small claims court in nineteen ninety five and Gallant Police 157 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: for not paying a debt, and there was a warrant 158 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: issued for him, but he ended up paying it. So 159 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: I mean there were some things out there. There appears 160 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: to be two sides of Charlie Reader. One that you know, 161 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: the public sees, and they saw it in these naturally 162 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: televised broadcast press conferences where a reader is very emotional 163 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: talking about these Rodent murders very early on. And then 164 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: there's something you see and Charlie or reader where when 165 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: reader is challenged, you see another side of reader. So 166 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: he's got a very public face and a very private face. 167 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: Then oh yeah. Investigators recently towed vehicles that had been 168 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: parked at the homes where eight members of the Rodent 169 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: family were found shot to death in Pike County, Ohio 170 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: last month. The four mobile homes themselves where the bodies 171 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: were found will be removed from the scene to be 172 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: stored at a location in nearby Waverley. We're going to 173 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: get right out to investigative reporter Jodi Barr live in 174 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: Pike County. While I was in Pike County, I started 175 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: seeing things that I had the question what we found 176 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 1: at that evidence ware a house where the trailers, the vehicles, 177 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: the equipment that all belonged to the Rodens where the 178 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office in BCI took that. So we found problems 179 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: with the security of that evidence and the security of 180 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: that warehouse. I'm not an attorney. I've never prosecuted the case. 181 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: I've never collected evidence. But what I do know is 182 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: that evidence that is collected has to be secured. I've 183 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: seen prosecutions lost in court rooms in the States I've 184 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: covered because someone failed to secure one piece of evidence. 185 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: And of course Charlie Reader was so central to what 186 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: we were looking at. He is the man in charge 187 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: that we had to go find him. We scheduled the 188 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: interview and we sat down and we had this conversation 189 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: with Charlie Reader. And I want to say it last 190 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: it's maybe forty five minutes to an hour. And again 191 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: back to watching the two sides of Charlie Reader. You 192 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: had the emotional Charlie Reader early on in the interview 193 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: where he's talking about you know, the Rodents and you 194 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: know what this is done to Pike County. And then 195 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: I broke out an iPad, and on that iPad I 196 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: had visuals the images that I had taken from that 197 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: warehouse of the gate standing wide open, another gate secured 198 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: with a piece of thin wire. You know, days and 199 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: nights of no law enforcement at that warehouse. And I 200 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: think Reader knew during the middle of that interview that 201 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: this was not going to look good when we reported it, 202 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: that what we found there look terrible and it reflected 203 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: on the job he did. So I solved Charlie Reader change, 204 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: but he changed into very defensive and red face. But 205 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: Reader finally admitted that they did not have a deputy 206 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: posted at that warehouse. Watching that avidage twenty four to seven, 207 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: what Schriff Reader did next struck seasoned reporter Jodi barrs troubling. 208 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 1: Here is Jodie's first hand account of the interaction. So 209 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: the interview ends, and my photographer and I are tearing 210 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: down the equipment and Charlie Reader walks us out the 211 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: front door of the old Sheriff's office in Waverley, and 212 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: we're standing on the port of that Sheriff's office and 213 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: Reader wants to make a deal, and he says, if 214 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: we'll just hold off on airing the report of the 215 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: evidence warehouse and wait until they could return property to 216 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: the family, that Reader would let us in and give 217 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: us full access to him and Charlie Reader's story of 218 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: the first one hundred hours after the Road and murders, 219 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: and I just told him, no, we don't make deals. 220 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 1: Several months after that report aired, I got messages from 221 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: people in Pike County, one after the other telling me 222 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: that there was a raid underway at this Road and 223 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: Evidence warehouse in Waverley. Well. I dropped everything I was 224 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: doing at Cincinnati and drove the two hours east to 225 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: this warehouse. And when I got there, there they were 226 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: Sheriff Charlie Reader, deputy was with the Pike County Sheriff's 227 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: Office carrying things in and out of this warehouse. And 228 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: you know, I'm standing there wondering what is going on here. 229 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: This shouldn't be happening unless if something's happened, we don't 230 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: know about evolving the murders. This was a great public concern, 231 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: but that night Reader would not return my phone calls. 232 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: It was very contentious trying to get information out of 233 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: Pike County, out of the sheriffs office at that point. 234 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: But after that we were never able to access him again. 235 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: Despite Sheriff readers apparent handling of aspects of the Road 236 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: and murder investigation, authorities were able to put the Wagner 237 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: family behind bars in twenty eighteen. However, just weeks later, 238 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: area journalists got word that a different investigation, unrelated to 239 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: the road and murders was underway, one that placed Sheriff 240 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: Charlie Reader on the other side of the law. The 241 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: State Auditor's Office released a document to all of us 242 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: that stated an anonymous tip had come into the Auditor's 243 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: office in which someone stated that everyone was scared to 244 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: death of Reader, that he was basically a monster, and 245 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: investigators needed to look into a safe that was in 246 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: his office that contained money seized in drug deals, and 247 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: it also said something about him possibly gambling and is 248 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: this really wore on? The investigation continued, and then words 249 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: started spreading around Pike County. It really took what was 250 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: going on with Charlie Reader to a whole new level. 251 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: In June of twenty nineteen, a grand jury brought forth 252 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: sixteen charges against Sheriff Charlie Reader. As a result, he 253 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: was suspended from office, bringing his three year ten year 254 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: a sheriff to a close. The indictment laid out details 255 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: of the investigation and his crimes. Reader originally faced several 256 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: counts of theft in office, which is a felony in Ohio, 257 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: as well as tampering with evidence, which is also a 258 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: felony in Ohio. So what happens is that Charlie Reader 259 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: has a pretty sizeable amount of money that he's taken 260 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: from alleged drug dealers in Pike County. Every sheriff, every 261 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: law enforcement agency in the entire country, much less than 262 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: including Ohio, is allowed to seize money from suspects if 263 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: they think that that money or those goods are being 264 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: used in the commission of a crime. Money that was 265 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: seized in drug cases is supposed to be secured in 266 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: a safe or in a bank account or something, and 267 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: you can use him for education and purposes for the 268 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: sheriff's department. You can contribute it to appropriate charities. But 269 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: in these cases, at least on two occasions, the allegation 270 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: was that he took cash and converted it to his 271 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: own use. So the state auditor does their annual review 272 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,359 Speaker 1: of the book. On the first past, the state auditors 273 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: find some money missing out of the seizure account, and 274 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: then they go back the Reader, and apparently he tries 275 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: to put it back, but these that leads to the 276 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: state auditor's office, then diving into getting warrants and diving 277 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: into his personal finance records, they find multiple expenses and 278 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: multiple trips to casinos, both in the area and out 279 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: of state, and tens of thousands of dollars spent to 280 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: casinos impossible debts. The records are pretty clear that showed 281 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: some pretty big losses at the racetrack, and also they 282 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: found that he withdrew more than twenty eight hundred dollars 283 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: from machines at the Atlantic Casino, so it was pretty 284 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: clear it was from gambling. Some of the other allegations 285 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: were that a lot of times in drug cases, cars 286 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: are forfeited, and in a couple of the charges, the 287 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: allegations are that at the auction he rigged it and 288 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: engineered it that either he or friends of his would 289 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: get those vehicles and then turn around and sell them, 290 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: So they were very serious charges. On September twenty fourth, 291 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, Sheriff Charles Reader pled guilty to five charges 292 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: filed against him. They included two counts of theft in office, 293 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: two counts of tampering with evidence, and one count of 294 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 1: conflict of interest. A few months later, he appeared in 295 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: court for sentencing. It was a day that Anteinette Levy 296 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: would not soon forget. What was the mood like through 297 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: all of this? I couldn't believe it. When I got 298 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: out there that morning, the street was blocked off. Are 299 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: members of the US Marshal Service there. The US Marshalls 300 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: Service bomb squad was there. There were sheriff's deputy there. 301 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: I mean, this was quite the operation. There were sniper's 302 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: own roofs. I actually have a photograph of a sniper 303 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: on a roof. And there had been some rumblings online, apparently, 304 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: people encouraging people to show up at the courthouse to 305 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: protest this sentence. There was some fear that people who 306 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: were really hardcore supporters of his might show up and 307 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: try to do something dangerous in order to keep him 308 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 1: from being sentenced to prison. It was crazy. It had 309 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: never even been like that for a Wagner Court hearing. 310 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,719 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break here, we'll be 311 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: back in a moment. 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We're here today for starting in 380 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: the case State of Ohio versus Charles Reader, case numbers 381 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen CR. Sixty eight. Reader had his sentencing in 382 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: front of a visiting judge, Patricia Cosgrove, who had actually 383 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: sentenced three previous Ohio sheriffs on corruption charges. There were 384 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: five charges, and all of those could have gotten him 385 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: more than twelve years in prison. You see Charlie Reader. 386 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: He's sitting in court, sitting beside his defense attorney at 387 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: a table to the left, and at the table to 388 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: the right, the prosecutor who went to the grand jury 389 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: got the indictments against Reader, who got the guilty plea 390 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: from Reader months before. And you see these two tables 391 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: in opposition to one another, and the judges in the center, 392 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: and there's an empty podium in the center, and then 393 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: you see people walk up to that podium, and then 394 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: they start telling these stories of the good deeds Charlie 395 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: Reader did in certain instances around that county. He went 396 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: through one of the most horrendous crimes ever committed in 397 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: our counties. To my memory, what he went through, I 398 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: can't take you, ma'am, the knights, that he went sleepless, 399 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: what his family went through, what it done to his health. 400 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: But I believe in his heart Charlie Reader is a 401 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: good man. As Charlie made mistakes, yes, ma'am, he probably has, 402 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: But in the Bible it says you who are without saying, 403 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: cast the first stone. I couldn't throw many rocks at 404 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: it because I've made mistakes. To the one fact, I know, 405 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: Charlie was a man you could count on when you 406 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: needed him, and I would vote for him today just 407 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: as sure as I'm standing here as God is my witness. 408 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: After these people have said what they said, you see 409 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: a Reader walk up to the podium and including now 410 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: here fon mister Reader. You know he's a emotional, he's 411 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: in tears, and he's asking the judge for mercy to 412 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: be lenient with him in finacy. This is where he 413 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: is laying it all out and asking the State of 414 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: Ohio for mercy. I said, bad light on the office 415 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: of sheriff. I can only ask that my staff, their families, 416 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: the community, and my family who is here today, we'll 417 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: forgive me for the undooced dress I callstim I have 418 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: and I'm out prayed that the quirk will lay mercy 419 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: on me. I have no words for the shame that 420 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: I have and that I feel in the regret that 421 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: I have betrayed and just playing the trust if I 422 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: had with my staff in the community. Please do not 423 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: send me to prison. I have rolled, but I'm not runned. 424 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: I still have a lot of good left, did me. 425 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: During the proceedings, details of readers crimes were illuminated. The 426 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: state would note that the defendant was an elected county 427 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: sheriff who committed these crimes in his position as a 428 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: county sheriff. He used his position to obtain control over 429 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: the evidence bags and then use that control to remove 430 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: the funds and use them for his own benefit. The 431 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: majority of the funds involved were removed from the four 432 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: evidence bags cut open by defendant fourteen thousand seven hundred 433 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 1: and seventy five dollars was removed prior to the defendant 434 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: and his attorney turning those bags over to investigators for 435 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: the Auditor States Office. The different currency new in many 436 00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: cases uncirculated bills were put into the currency bags, so 437 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: that restitution would have been taken care of at that point. Additionally, 438 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: there's a total of four thousand, eight hundred and fifty 439 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: dollars outstanding, three thousand, five hundred from the purchase of 440 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: the Nissan Diversa, which was the profit made by the 441 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 1: sheriff on that transaction, three hundred and fifty dollars owed 442 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: to the purchase people who purchased the Chevy Silverado, and 443 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: one thousand dollars which the state says never made it 444 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: into the evidence bag. So Judge Patricia Cosgrove, she has 445 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: a reputation for being very tough on sheriffs in Ohio 446 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: who have been engaged in corruption, and she has no nonsense, 447 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: and she questioned reader from the bench. During the judges questioning, 448 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 1: Sheriff Rider did his best to explain his moral motivation 449 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: behind his actions. Why did you cut open these evidence 450 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: envelopes and take the money out? And then in some 451 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: cases you put it back, although you were caught because 452 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: the envelopes had been unsealed and sealed again improperly, and 453 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 1: the denominations did not match what was taken at the 454 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: crime scene or from those individuals. I guess why did 455 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: you take the money. I took the money, and mind you, 456 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: this does not excuse it, but from drug dealers that 457 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: took it from parents, very poor people in this count. 458 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: That money, regardless of what the state and what the 459 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: media has claimed in the past years of a gambling problem, 460 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: and that money being used for gambling, was used. When 461 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: there was a tree planted in the name of the 462 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: shopman Boy. It's at the entrance of Western High School 463 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: to the left. As soon as you pull in. Nobody 464 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,479 Speaker 1: can pay for that tree. Nobody offered to pay for 465 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: that tree. A drug diller did. When schools had cheerleading 466 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: or peewee that had car washes and such, I would 467 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: have our cruisers taken down there. My men and women 468 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: did not make good money, so some of them would 469 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: give them two dollars five dollars. I took money from 470 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: that and I provided it to those people. In the PSI, 471 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: the prec Ends Investigation, the PSI officer notes, there's no 472 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: documentation that you used it for those things, right, I 473 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: did not document those things. He didn't produce any receipts 474 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: to back these claims up, and there's a really strict 475 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: process by which those sements are tracked, and you have 476 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: to produce an accounting of all of that money. So 477 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: he claimed that he was essentially a robin hood. The 478 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: judge certainly didn't believe it. But then the judge started 479 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: asking and questions about gambling. There were a couple of 480 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: times that Judge Cosgrove all the econom in a line, 481 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: and she sounded very, very skeptical. Let's stop here for 482 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: another quick break. We'll be back in a moment. 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Did you lose 557 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 1: three thousand dollars gambling at the Sciota downs Rocino between 558 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:48,439 Speaker 1: June two thousand and seventeen in September two thousand and seventeen, Yes, 559 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: not by myself. They have cards and of course, beginning 560 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: your honor of guilty to this, but they have cards 561 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: that you put in a machine. I can have a 562 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: card in my name, and I can have a card 563 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: in my name that my wife possesses, so I could 564 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 1: be at one machine and she can be at the other, 565 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: and the money that she spends and the money that 566 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,919 Speaker 1: I spend they count on the same card and calculating 567 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 1: the money as one well, obviously, and that doesn't answer 568 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,280 Speaker 1: the question where did the money and the checking account 569 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 1: come from. Okay. Also, I want to ask you, in 570 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: late June two and seventeen, you took a trip to Reno, 571 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: Nevada for the Sheriff's conference, and then you withdrew twenty 572 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: eight hundred dollars a ATM. The state believes that some 573 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: of this shouldue to gambling. I mean you're talking like 574 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,760 Speaker 1: over or almost six thousand dollars and a couple months 575 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: that you lost are expended on gambling. And at that 576 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: point we were making almost eleven thousand dollars a month. 577 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: And that again was from my checking account where it 578 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: should show my direct deposits, my wife direct deposits, and 579 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: that it came from our devot cards where I retrieved 580 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: that money. I don't doubt it came from debit cards. 581 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 1: The question is where did the money come when to 582 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: your checking account? And that's I guess that's that's that's 583 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: where that's where the media reported that I had marital 584 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: problems because it came from our joint bank account. My 585 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: wife made very good money at the time, and I 586 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: took that money and I gambled. Okay, all right, um, 587 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: that's all the questions of court. Has she really let 588 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: him have it? She took no grief from him whatsoever. 589 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: It cannot be underestimated the damage that you have paused 590 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: to the citizens of Pike County, to law enforcement who 591 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: every day get up face the same sort of stresses 592 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: that you do. They go all home and night, they 593 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 1: get up in the morning, they don't know if they're 594 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: going to come home. The sacrifices that these men and 595 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: women at make, I think you've made a mockery of them. 596 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: I couldn't have imposed a much greater sentence than I have. 597 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: As I said, I've taken a consideration some of the 598 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: mitigating factors, but punishment is appropriate. To sentence you to 599 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,800 Speaker 1: I considered the minimum. However, to sentence you to anything 600 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: less than three years in prison would demean the seriousness 601 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,800 Speaker 1: of the offense and not adequately protects society from future 602 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:41,399 Speaker 1: criminal conduct by yourself and honors. The judge handed him 603 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: three years, and Reader walked out of that courtroom and 604 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: into a jail cell to pay for throwing away his career, 605 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 1: embarrassing himself, and embarrassing his family. Do you think he 606 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: became a victim of his own power? He said, A 607 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,879 Speaker 1: sheriff in that county like that is top dog right, 608 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: maybe he started feeling he was above the law. You know, 609 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: in fifteen years of doing this job, looking at people 610 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 1: like Charlie Reader in multiple states with multiple different schemes 611 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: of crimes being committed, there's a trend with just sheriffs 612 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: in general where a lot of them get in trouble. 613 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: Is it because they feel so powerful and untouchable? I 614 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 1: don't know, But man, when you look at it in 615 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,879 Speaker 1: the final analysis, what we have here is a guy 616 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: in Pike County who had the county by a string, 617 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 1: who had the trust of people who live in that county. 618 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: So is it power? I don't know. All that I 619 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: know at this point is you had an elected official 620 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 1: who makes them pretty bad decisions and he's paying for it. Now, 621 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 1: have you gotten a sense what the implications might be 622 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: for the Wagner cases. That Reader is now going to 623 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,720 Speaker 1: jail their early facing the investigation is now in prison. 624 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 1: For whether or not that had anything to do with 625 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 1: the actual investigation, no one knows. But if I'm a 626 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: defense attorney, all I gotta do is throw up that 627 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: smokescreen at some point and see what happens. 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