WEBVTT - Ep. 33: Adam Greentree 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:04.120 Hey, everybody, Welcome to episode number thirty three The Hunting Collective. 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:07.480 I've been O'Brien today. I'm joined by Adam green Tree, 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:11.040 my buddy from down Under. He just so happens to 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:14.800 be in America on quite a I think it's eight 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:18.320 month run hunting the States with his family as his 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:21.080 wife Kim and his three awesome kids, who you will 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:25.000 here at the start of this podcast. And uh, they're 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:28.800 a perfect family there. They're an Australian family, that's for sure, 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:31.400 but they're a hell of a good time. Adams a 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:33.919 great person. We've hunted all over the world together, one 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:37.200 of my favorite folks in the industry, somebody admired greatly 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:39.960 for what he does and who he is, where he 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:42.400 came from. Hopefully we'll learn a lot from that, and 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:44.240 you'll learn a lot from Mr green Tree. An episode 0:00:44.320 --> 0:01:06.560 number thirty three. Here it is Welcome to the Hunting Collective. 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:15.680 I'm joined today by two special guests, Aaliyah and Noah. Yeah, Yo, 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:24.760 you're famous pretty Muchah, you're famous. Uh No, not really, 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.800 not yet, is the proper answer. Have either of you 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:33.720 ever been on a podcast before? No? Never, never, never. 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:37.920 I'm really good at talking nice that's good. That's good. 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:41.640 And your dad is who's your dad? Your dad is 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:43.760 Adam green Tree. Yeah, what do you know about what 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:47.280 you can tell us about Adam green Tree. He's he's 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:50.800 a really good person. That's good. He's a good dad. Yeah. 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.840 Um he's a good bar Hunter probably one of the 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:59.440 best in the world. Um. Uh. He makes fun of 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:06.880 Cameron hay Taste. Yeah, is that it? That's the horrible 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:12.640 It's more. It's just it hasn't come in my head. Well, 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.040 my dad is about Hunter and he's really good. He's 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:19.480 famous on Instagram. He does really cool stuff and that 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:22.680 I like it. I think that has a good job. 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:25.040 He has a good job. Yeah, too bad. Kimmy Grant 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:28.120 Trees not here. Too bad with kim and Tree, tell 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.959 us about your mom's cool. She's about Hunter as well. 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:36.480 She does pretty good. She still needs a line a 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:40.239 lot more things, but she's doing good. She's doing good. Yeah. Yeah, 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:43.760 that's awesome. That's awesome. You guys live in Australia. Yeah, 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:47.560 but you're here in America six months six months in America. 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:49.560 We've been here for two months, so that means four months, 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:54.600 four more months. That's crazy. So, uh, how do you 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:58.320 like America. It's cool, it's cool. McDonald's. McDonald's is not 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:01.840 good though, is not good. We discussed this. But you 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:04.679 do like the chickens chicken sandwich though. Yeah, that's good, 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.040 that's good. Oh my god, Helliah, do you what is 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:10.840 your opinion on McDonald's in America? McDonald's is our okay, 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:14.639 but it's different than Australians McDonald's, which I don't really like. 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:18.680 But yeah, it's okay, it's okay. Yeah. What else about America? 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:21.840 Do you? America is fine, but it's just a lot 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:25.720 different than Australia. It has two things and people are different. 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:27.720 Like you would be in the middle of nowhere and 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:30.640 you'll still see cars drive pass. You've been the middle 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:32.640 of nowhere in Australia and you'll see nothing for like 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:36.040 a month, the whole month of nothing. Yeah, pretty much 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:40.360 like Middle Australia, Western Australia, Northern Territory, that type of area, 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:42.960 like the Kimberly's. You want to say, you want to 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.360 see people, You want to say, you know something really 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:51.600 nice about America? Yeah, America? America? Yeah, what do you 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:57.600 tell us? More? That's my favorite state so far is 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:03.520 Montana and Oregon with that was a hunt with Accubo 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:08.200 and stuff, and then and then Colorado that was really fun. Yeah, 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:11.320 what about Idaho? You like that? Yeah, it's fun. It's 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.480 just we've it's we kind of got sick of it. 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:15.680 It's like it's like there's like stuff to do. But 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.360 once you've done that stuff, it's like you're getting ready 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:22.560 to go to Kentucky. Yeah. Like we're traveling through like 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:28.599 South Dakota, Illinois, Louisville and stuff, like with your dad. Yeah, 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.760 my older brother Hunter, he's not here. He's slumped out, 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:38.520 he's asleep probably Leah. Yeah, and dad. We're gonna be 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.599 traveling to Kentucky in the next few days to go 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:49.120 to the get what hunt. Yeah, Whiteail in Kentucky with Acubo. Now, 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:53.560 before you guys, uh, you guys have to go. Yeah, 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.320 before you go, could you just give me one thing 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:59.680 you've learned about America? One piece of American like a 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:02.200 fat at your favorite factor in America that you've learned 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:08.920 during your time. The people are crazy. That's not a fact, 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:13.960 but we'll go. We'll go that. I don't really have opinion, 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:18.520 but yeah, there is people are different here than Australian people. 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:22.960 There's different accents here, which is like completely different slang. 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:24.880 Like you, guys, you probably don't know what I'm slaying 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:30.600 right now. I haven't. I haven't understood word you've said. Yeah, 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:34.920 I heard my name basically, that was it. That's right. 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:37.960 So you don't didn't learn anything about like the founding fathers, 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:41.880 maybe public Land or anything. Like Christopher Columbus. Yes, I 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:44.360 think he. I'm not sure this is I'm kind of guessing, 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:47.640 but he discovered Columbus and o Hire first and they 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.200 kind of recognized that's a good guess. We're gonna stick 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:53.159 with that. Columbus got the Columbus first. I mean, that 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:58.640 makes a lot of sense, because do you have any historical, 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:03.680 uhformation to provide that you've learned during your time in America? Sorry, 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:18.520 but no terrible homeschooling. Oh yeah, um, that's homeschooling is hard. 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:22.840 It's not really. It depends. So my homeschooling is kind 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:26.200 of different to everyone else. I So whatever state we 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.440 like travel or like go through a go pass, all 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:32.080 write like ten facts about that state. So like let's 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:38.080 just say, for example, Montana, the capital's Helena. The population 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:42.839 is like three point four six million people. Well done. Yeah, 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:46.440 that was the three points six million people was kind 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:50.680 of guess it's something like that. Well, listen, we appreciate 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.719 you being in our country. Yeah, and letting your dad 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:58.800 hang out with us. Yeah with us. Yeah, and it's sick, 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:00.840 but you need to come to strut. I'm coming and 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:04.960 Joe Rogan and Steve Ranella. Maybe we'll just all go 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:10.560 on Netflix together. Yeah Data. Yeah. Yeah, you guys were 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.120 asking who in the office here is a Netflix actor 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:17.040 and really it's only Steve Rinella. Yeah. Like second, there's 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:19.520 like there's like people that like kind of like film 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:24.720 and like like featured on Data. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:28.680 that's right. Yeah. Yeah, too bad. Adam grand treason't but okay, 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.400 but you never know, never never know. Okay, Well, thanks 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.040 for joining us. Yeah, we're gonna bring your dad on now. 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.920 Let me see if all the things you said are true. Yeah, 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.240 fact check. No, you might want to bring me in 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.080 again because I'm just such a good talking like not 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.080 trying to put myself up, like I'm the best talker 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:48.080 in the world right now. Currently currently rankings first is 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.160 Adam no Grand Trade, then Steve Rannella his voice This 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:55.080 one to make you go slate. Now, how old are 0:07:55.160 --> 0:08:00.640 you give the people, I'm sixty nine thousand, trily not. 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:04.400 I'm actually eleven years old. Eleven years I am nine 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:06.520 years old. I birth day was like a month ago, 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:13.360 six September. Perfect, well, happy birthday, thank you. Yeah, all right, 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:31.080 thanks guys. You're welcome. Mr. Green Tree, Mr O'Brien. How 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:34.640 you doing. I'm doing really well, you are. Yeah, I'm 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:39.480 probably at the peak of my life or the highlight 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:41.439 of my life right now. I'm telling you, dude, your 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:44.199 family is awesome. Yes, I awesome. I know this. That's 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.520 why they're my family. That's right, They're not mine yet. Now. 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:49.520 We were just had lunch here in Bozeman, and I 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:51.560 was driving down the road and I saw, like, that 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:54.720 looks like a nice family. Like I saw this picturesque 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:56.920 family hugging each other, skipping down the road. Happy's hell. 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.160 And I'm like, that's freaking green trees. That's the green Trees. 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:02.200 And that's after me and Kim just had an argument 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:06.960 and we're still like that. What's the secret? I don't know. 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:10.320 I don't know. I think the secret is fighting for 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.280 one another, truthfully, just fighting for one another, you know, 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.760 and like not losing your ship over the little things 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.920 and just talking them through and trying to benefit one 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:24.120 another and be positive. And you know, if if one 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.480 of us isn't positive, then that other person is trying 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.440 to push him in a positive direction. And you know, 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:33.480 like nothing good comes easier, right, That's the thing, you know. 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:35.720 So you're like, there's so many relationships that you just 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:38.120 just see the ars end fallout of so fast because 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:41.559 they're not willing to work towards something. Kim is not perfect. 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:44.800 I'm not perfect, And it's like, do you have a 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.319 good friend that you spend enough time with that just 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:49.920 you know, you'll find something that you don't agree with 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.880 with of course, you know, so imagine because we're all 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:56.760 strangers essentially, aren't we, you know, And then straight into 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.679 the deeper meaningfuls in this podcast, this is a this 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.679 is a this is where we but you know, like 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:06.520 your own family, you'll find disagreements with of course, you 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:08.600 know what I mean, And like before I met him, 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:10.280 she was just a stranger and now we live in 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:12.760 our whole lives together, So of course there's going to 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.160 be things that you don't agree with, you know, that 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:19.319 things that person might do that you know, you dislike that, 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:21.920 just get over your own ship and work through it. 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:24.480 You can tell man like you can tell him somebody 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:27.840 truly loves the person there with, like not just loves 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.439 the idea of marriage or loves the idea of having kids. 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:34.080 Were truly like, life is made better by that circumstance. 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:39.440 It's not. It's not fake. There's no and in the 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:41.520 age of social media, w you're well aware of things 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:45.559 can seem fake. Yeah, Well, Kim's been with me when 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:51.079 I've been broke as hell, right, you know what I mean, Like, 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.240 if she was with me at that point, I'm still 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:55.000 broke as hell right now because I've spending my money 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:58.200 on hunting. But I'm just saying, you know, if you 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:01.800 can go through that hard struggle, you know together we've 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:05.040 being like we've had no vehicle, we've had no money 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:09.000 for public transport, sort of broke, and you still love 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:12.080 and cherish each other through that. So yeah, I mean, 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.600 I think you know, most people see that I'm doing 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.360 a podcast with you and expect us to tell all 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:20.120 kinds of hunting stories and talk about what broadheads were 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.520 using and how to kill the animals and all that stuff. 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:26.240 But quite honestly, like I think people, I don't know how. 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.560 I know you've talked about this some, but your story 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:31.920 of where you started and where you are today is 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:36.199 the one thing about you that amazed me the most, 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:40.640 like flat out amazing. Um. And I think you well 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.640 know that we probably talked about this before, but the 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.280 struggles that you've gone through have made you such a 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:49.520 freaking like pressure makes a diamond. Even when it comes 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:52.160 to hunting. You talk about like you deal with hardship, 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.280 you know, better than anybody I've ever seen, and it 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.960 almost embraced hardship like that's just a part of life. 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:01.000 I'm gonna go and tack. Yeah. I think you get 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.840 so used to something like That's what I think it is. 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.280 You get so used to it that like I actually 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.680 crave it now. And and actually it's probably not that 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:11.880 I crave it. It's just that it doesn't feel that hard, 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:13.960 you know, because I'm so used to it. You know. 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:15.680 It's like if you if you were born in the 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:19.120 dark and at nighttime, wouldn't bother you, do you know 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:22.040 what I mean? So to live for it, I always 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:23.720 think it's not going to kill me, even though some 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:26.840 dumb things that I do nearly do kill me. But 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:28.720 you know, it's like it's not gonna kill me. It's 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:30.880 like the cold, you know, like you get up in 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:32.880 the morning and camp or whatever, and no one wants 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.240 to get out of their sleeping bag, and then you 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.079 get out and just your underwear and you walk around 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:38.760 the snow. It's like, it's not going to kill me. 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:42.079 Like I'm gonna put clothes on soon. It's fine. It's 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:46.280 just that a little bit of discomfort. Yeah, should but 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:50.079 then just the willingness to to run at it right 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.880 rather than just oh, there it is. There's danger over there. 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:55.520 I can avoid that and I'll be fine over here. 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:57.600 But you know, even when you and I hunt in 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:59.959 New Zealand together, you know you're getting close to to 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:01.960 are that I probably would have everyone went after Yeah, 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:04.400 I'd be like that's too far. Oh man, I can't 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.120 go across that shell. I can't barracock class a shell 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.439 cliff and running cross and use and pipe over and 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:11.840 shoot a tar. I won't even go over there. And 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.960 I remember watching you're hearing stories about you going and 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:19.000 doing those things and thinking that's a different mindset. Yeah, 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:23.160 that's a different willingness. Yeah, it definitely is. I UM. 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.160 A lot of people ask me about, you know, how 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:28.080 like how am I regularly successful because I'm not a 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:31.000 great shot. I'm a good shot. I'm not a great shot, 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.160 but it's the time that I put in and go 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:38.160 into places that other people probably won't regularly go that, 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:39.840 you know. I always put it down to that, you know, 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.000 I'm good at reading animals, I'm good at getting into 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.680 places you know that are like well in the back 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.439 country and things like that. And I put a lot 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:49.720 of my success down to, you know, go on that 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:53.200 extra mile. Yeah, no, I would agree with that. Well, 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.400 when you were you had a tough charterhood. Let put 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.240 it that way, right, I mean, we've talked about this. 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:03.679 She told me a story you know, early probably last 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.520 year and year before, and it stuck with me for 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:10.360 a while because I thought, shit, like is as great 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:13.280 as your life is right now? There is so much 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.760 learning that everyone could do from what you went through prior. 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:21.000 Where were you're born? How did the start giving your 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.880 early early life? Yes, I was born in Newcastle in 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.080 New South Wales, Australia. That's pretty much where we've lived 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.080 for the last few years as well. And but my 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:36.040 parents had uh, their job was like caretaking big ranches, 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:39.320 like we call them stations in Australia, but big ranches. 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:42.520 And uh. But my father had a little bit of 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:44.600 a different childhood than me. He had a good like 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.240 my grandfather was a brilliant man and my name, you know, 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.160 very loving people. But I think my father grew up 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.960 around some bad alcoholics and you know, maybe a little 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:55.880 bit of mental illness in the family as well. There's 0:14:55.880 --> 0:15:00.240 an uncle of mine, uncle Chas, and uh, I was like, 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:02.240 I'll tell you one of the stories so you sort 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:05.480 of understand where this man is. But there's a family 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.480 barbecue and like the whole family is over there, and 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:11.720 my uncle Chas is cooking on the barbecue and they 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.560 have like a little fox terrier like a dog, and 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.360 it runs around it barks a couple of times, and 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:18.480 no one thinks anything of it, like whoop to do. 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:20.760 It's just the dog having a bark. And the next 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.080 time the dog runs past him, he picks it up 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:26.000 by the back legs and swings it over his head 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:29.320 and cracks it cracks its head on the concrete and 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:34.080 kills the dog. Like it's like that there's something wrong there, 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.920 like something that guy is not wired properly. I've never 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:38.680 had anything to do with him, but my father did. 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.800 I think it was around him a lot. And my 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:45.200 father sort of real bad alcoholic and got into it 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.080 for like I still don't know that, you know, the 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:51.320 reason or explanation is a part of mental illness or 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:55.400 what it is. But um so my dad just alcohol 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:59.480 really bad and then in return he'd get really violent 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:03.440 against my mother or asked kids, and and another one. 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.520 I'll give you an example of my father. He come 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.000 back drink and this is when we lived like in 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.680 rural New South Wales, like out in the middle of nowhere. 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.960 He comes back drinking from the country pub and a 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:18.360 dog that we had, gipsy. She just had a litter 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:22.280 of pups and the pups were yelling every now and then, 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:26.440 and my mom my dad comes home. My mother's mother's 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:29.480 crying over my father not returning when he was supposed 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:33.200 to return and comes back drunk and violent, and he 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.360 thinks it's the dogs, you know. And this is like 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:39.280 I'm like five or six years old, and he walks 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:41.120 out to the back door with the gun and like 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:44.200 shoots all the puppies like in front of me and 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.800 my oldest sister, my younger sister wasn't born yet. And 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:50.920 but it just goes to show how, you know, that 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.320 sort of violent that man was and us kids, and 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:56.600 I'm going through that violent with him. You know, we 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:02.520 weren't shot, but basically were the puppies yelping. And then 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:04.639 as I got a bit older, because he ended up 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:06.720 being in and out of jail for like violence and 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:08.399 stuff like that. So I sort of grew up without 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:12.960 a father figure from about seven years old onwards. Um, 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.960 And I actually was probably going into a dark place 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:19.520 myself as I was, you know, hitting my lady teens 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:23.120 and things like that, and I started going camping more 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:26.480 and like fishing, like outdoors things, and I just you know, 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:28.800 just I don't know. It was my escape, was how 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:32.680 I got away from you, even my own miserable thoughts, 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.800 let alone someone I didn't want my life, because what 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.120 that does when a family separates, especially in Australia, puts 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.560 you in another worst place. You know, if you're a 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.440 single mother with three kids, like my mom, she had 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:47.640 to live in like really a really cheap community like 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.879 basically what you have in America as the projects we 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:56.439 live in, housing commissions and generally those those areas, like 0:17:56.480 --> 0:18:01.760 those towns or suburbs. It's all housing commission, so it 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:05.600 puts a certain person people in that area, you know, 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:08.520 and there's a lot of violence. And I set it 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:12.840 on someone else's podcast that before I was like third 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:17.720 or fourteen years old, I'd witnessed murder, rape, suicide on 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:21.840 multiple occasions and stuff like that. And one of the cases, 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.000 I was actually the only witness to a rape that 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:29.720 had happened. It happened at my house, and the girl 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:32.879 she didn't want to come forward. She was so embarrassed 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:36.439 about it what had happened. And that guy end up 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:40.119 getting off scott free. Nothing ever happened to him. Say anyway, 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.239 I'm just you know, it's like if you grew up 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:45.199 not eating your vegetables, you know, that's for your like 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:49.280 physical health. When you grow up in an environment like that, 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:51.159 that's your mental health. You know. It's like you're not 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:54.640 getting fed vegetables for the brain seeing all that violence 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:57.720 and stuff like that. But how I came out of 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:02.119 it really was for you know, originally the outdoors and 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:04.960 especially you know, bow hunting, Like I just bo hunt, 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:08.080 as you know, because it would take me deeper into 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:10.119 the woods. You know, it would ground me further to 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:13.439 you know, the outdoors, and that really helped me. And 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:17.200 then obviously you know, meeting Kim and because I grew 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.680 up very simple, where I just I want, like wanted 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:23.199 a couple of things. You know, it was like a 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:26.240 four drive to go for driving, like get me outdoors, 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.920 and you know, I wanted the wife and my own 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:33.000 family so I could prove to myself more than anyone 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:36.480 that I wasn't my father. You know, I wasn't that 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.520 violent drunk. And I don't drink still to this day 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:42.320 because of you know, even though I'm not like I 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:45.080 did drink a little bit in my teens. Even though 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:48.520 I'm not a violent drunk, I'm a happy drunk. It's 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:51.320 it turned me off drinking so much because I would 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:53.639 see my father go from the best man that I 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:56.640 knew to the worst man that I knew through drinking, 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:00.119 you know, and looked like it was that sweet. She 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:02.879 has an actual problem with drinking. Like I'm not saying 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:05.880 everyone does, because lots of people drink and they're absolutely 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:09.200 fine on it. But my father does something that switches 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:11.120 a different switch where he becomes you know, he's got 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:14.600 to turn the violence. And yeah, and you spent time 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:18.119 on the street time homeless. I was homeless. I was 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:21.040 homeless when I was fourteen years old, so like fourteen fifteen, 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:22.840 I was homeless. And I end up going and living 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:26.640 with a very loving auntie of mine and she put 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:29.280 me back in school and things like that, and it 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:32.879 was just a much better environment. But um, I don't know, 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:36.080 I just kept slipping off the train tracks and you know, 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:38.879 sort of once I could just walk out and go 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:43.000 hunting myself, that that made the big difference. And then obviously, Kim, 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:45.399 the kids, do you know, do you ever feel like 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:49.000 in their situations where you I mean, I think I 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:52.000 know the answer. This your there's some desperation to get out, 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:54.359 I mean, is that's your daily motivation or you feel 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:56.600 like this is my life and I'm you know, you 0:20:56.600 --> 0:21:00.440 didn't accept where you were. Obviously, I was just happy 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:03.119 with where I was and to the point where I'm like, 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:05.480 I would constantly think I only live once. This is 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:07.840 another waste a day. You're in the trash. You don't 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:11.840 want to be here, you know, And then when you 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:14.080 get put in a position like that, you know, like 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:17.840 where you don't have finances, you don't have food things 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:20.240 like that, because like talking about living on the streets, 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:23.960 you don't have time to think about those better things 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:26.760 like going outdoors, you know, or finding a good girl 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:29.840 or something like that, you know, or benefiting your life 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:33.280 as in getting the job and things like that. There's 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:35.040 only enough time in the day to think about when 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:38.040 my next meal coming, When am I sleeping tonight? How 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:40.880 am I keeping warm? You know, And there's all dangers 0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:42.920 that come on living on the streets. There's other people 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:44.560 on the streets as well. There's other people that try 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:46.960 and rob you and all sorts of things, you know, 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:51.439 So it's like there's you don't have the comfort to 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:54.520 think of how you're going to benefit your life, you know, 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:56.760 in the long term, it's just how am I benefiting 0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:59.439 my life today? Because you're hungry, you know, Like you 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:01.440 don't realize is how good it is eat food until 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:03.240 you're starving, hungry to a point that you can't go 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:05.880 and get it. Like if we're hungry now, we'll walk 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:09.600 next door getting something from the cafe. When we bring 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:13.320 it to take all that away where you don't have 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:16.080 money to buy food, you know, you don't have hunting 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:17.600 or you don't live on the land to just go 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:20.320 and get food. And that's why I think it's also 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:23.080 so so appealing to be able to go out now 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:26.600 today and you know, go and shoot a deer and 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:30.320 have meat or even if it's like bush tucker or 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:33.520 food you know from the forest, whatever it is, berries 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:36.920 or something. That's why that's so appealing and feels good 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:39.080 because I've been at the complete opposite and when there's 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:41.840 when there's nothing on the street. Yeah, I mean, it's 0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:43.800 it's got to change, you. I mean, there's no way 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:47.600 it doesn't it. Especially. I always like to talk about perspective, 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:51.440 like wilderness provides, you know, unique perspectives. Places you've gone, 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:54.600 things that are you and I've done together, provide perspective 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:59.440 on being here. You're sitting in traffic, You're like, no problem. Yeah, 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:02.160 at least at least my kids are in the back screaming. 0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:04.960 At least they're there. This is actually non an issue. 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:07.359 This there's something not to be upset about, you know, 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:11.040 like yeah, and that's what why you know, you're that 0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:15.320 part of your story is as important as your current state, 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:20.800 because your ability to be happy, I think is and 0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:25.080 my observation has drilled down into your perspective on life 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:28.080 and what it could be, definitely what it was for you. 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:31.800 And I think our modern society lacks some fucking perspective. 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:34.919 I think there's there's just this whole culture that just 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:39.040 takes everything for granted, you know, like it's even a 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:42.000 light switch, fresh water out of the tap, you know, 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:43.520 and you only need to go for it. You don't 0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:44.919 have to live on the streets. You just need to 0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:48.359 go for a trip to Africa like Mosa Beagle, Zimbabwe 0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:50.560 or somewhere like that, you know, and you're going to 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:54.240 these villages where they don't have money to buy a 0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:57.320 blanket when it's cold. But even if they did have money, 0:23:57.359 --> 0:24:01.120 there's no one making blankets. There's no there's no there's 0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:05.880 no reality where it gets warmer for you via blanket. Now, 0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:07.679 when we went to Nepaul, it was much like that. 0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:11.760 You just realized that this guy we had the example 0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:13.479 I always uses, there was a gut chopping down this 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:16.120 giant oak tree, this giant live oak tree. I mean 0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:18.560 it's big round as his table, and he was just 0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:21.560 had an old rusty axe and he was whacking this tree. 0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:25.720 And I thought, this dude has no concept of a chainsaw, 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:28.760 and no one around here is even seen a chainsaw. 0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:32.560 And here this guy is. That's just his life. He 0:24:32.600 --> 0:24:34.520 gets up in the morning, it chops at this tree 0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:38.000 for probably twelve hours. He goes home and sleeps in 0:24:38.000 --> 0:24:43.000 the dirt. Aference, it's still probably playing the flute in 0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:47.159 the morning, dancing around at night, happy as ever. Like 0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:51.919 the human condition, that human condition is way simpler and 0:24:51.960 --> 0:24:55.040 there's no existential freaking, you know, problems like we have 0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:59.240 in our world. So I think maybe that's why I'm 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:03.400 happy doing is the what could be considered the misery 0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:07.000 of the world as well, because it's like I'm I'm 0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:09.960 happy doing this. I'm definitely happy to turn on the lights, 0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:14.480 which flushing a toilet. Well, there's like a voluntary misery. 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:18.080 Is you get perspective on voluntary misery when you've had 0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:22.000 it forced upon you, Yeah, exactly, when you don't have anything. Yeah, 0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:25.960 going out and intentionally not having anything as an exercise 0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:32.280 and like mental health, yeah definitely. Yeah. I always feel 0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:35.159 like it's like physical for the brain. You know, you 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:39.160 go through these different challenges and you know, voluntary toughness, 0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:41.840 you know, where you're going out into the wild and 0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:45.240 just you know, sometimes maybe experiencing things that you weren't 0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:46.800 playing on it, but you just deal with it, you know, 0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:48.639 you put the puzzle together and you deal with it, 0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:52.040 and then it's like a yes, yes I did. Constant winds, 0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:55.520 they're like constant Mount Everest that you conquer. No, I 0:25:55.600 --> 0:25:57.959 was just we're just had change during the last time 0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:00.320 we were hunting in Hawaii and him and I sitting 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:03.880 up on this vista looking down across this area beautiful 0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:06.000 are and I think both at the same time we 0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:09.280 just thought like, we are more comfortable here. We're more 0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:13.960 happy and enjoy here in a place where we don't 0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:17.440 have and inside we don't sleep in a tent. We're 0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:19.720 eating kind of what we kill and whatever we brought. 0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:22.879 But we're way more comfortable here. That's sitting in the 0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:27.000 Russia definitely chains a specially human eye. Yeah, especially here. Yeah, 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:29.320 it's amazing, dude. And then you and I have been 0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:31.879 through that in New Zealand, Like I mean, there's just 0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:34.600 there's just a different feeling and you're just a tap 0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:38.400 you're freaking human being. Yeah. Yesterday, me and Kim more 0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:42.639 of a tourist location, but myself, Kim and the kids 0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:46.560 were at the boiling River and yellow Stone there, and 0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:49.840 so it's like where the the waters like boiling out 0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:52.720 of the ground like third degree burns if you stick 0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:55.120 your hand in it. And it's running into that freezing 0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:57.840 cold like ice melt and stuff, you know, coming out 0:26:57.840 --> 0:26:59.920 of yellow Stone, and there's the mix of the water 0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:01.280 and you're get in the right place and it's just 0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:05.119 the perfect temperature, like sitting in the hot bath and 0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:08.520 it's hailing, like we're in there with all the kids. 0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:11.800 It's hailing the hail and you know, it's absolutely freezing, 0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:13.399 but it's like only on our heads. The rest of 0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:17.560 our bodies underwater. And then you've got like this unbelievable 0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:20.800 landscape the whole way around your snow cap mountains. You know, 0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:24.720 I'm just jaggedy as anything. And we both sort of 0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:26.399 looked at each other and we're just like have a 0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:28.840 think where we are and what we're doing right now, 0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:31.520 Like this is absolutely amazing, and it's like feel for 0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:35.560 the brain, you know, memories the last of lifetime. Yeah, 0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:37.520 if you can do if you're in a position where 0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:40.679 you have the ability to do that, You're in this 0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:43.000 beautiful place and you start once or twice a day 0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:46.080 and just look around like, wait a minute, yeah, wait 0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:47.880 a minute, Yeah this is as good as it gets. 0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:54.080 Sure this coffee sucks. Sure, Sure, this coffee sucks. Sure, 0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:58.280 my shoelaces are out of my shoe. Funk around. How 0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:04.359 lucky are we? So get So you're we've covered the 0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:07.600 sort of the miserable part of your life and at 0:28:07.640 --> 0:28:11.800 some point things started to change. When when did you 0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:14.160 notice or when did you start to feel like your 0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:17.240 life was going in the direction and you felt necessary 0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:19.640 As soon as I started going out into the wilderness more, 0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:22.520 you know, that was a big part, because that starts 0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:25.040 to say that you're getting more comfortable in life as well. 0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:27.399 So I've got a job. I just I wanted to 0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:30.639 wanted to work towards having a good job, good income 0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:33.600 because I realized and this sort of sucks in our society. 0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:38.880 But unless you're living off the grid in some form, 0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:41.000 you know, and it usually takes money to even get 0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:44.560 to that point where you can live off the grid. Unfortunately, 0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:48.320 you need a good job to do things in today's society, 0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:50.520 you know, especially if you want to travel the world. 0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:53.240 Things like that. You know, even if you want to 0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:56.920 travel your own country, fuel cost money, a cart cost money. Insurances, 0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:02.880 there's no matter what money capitalizing in some way against 0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:05.959 you because everything is starting to cost money. You go 0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:09.920 into yellow Stone, it costs to get paid to get 0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:13.080 in there. You gotta in this country, at least you've 0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:15.880 got to pay for tags and licensing and everything like that. 0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:18.000 So you do need a job, you know. And so 0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:21.840 I started working towards getting a job. And then and 0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:24.040 I had a couple of jobs just like I had. 0:29:24.120 --> 0:29:28.080 I worked at foot locker and and I was going 0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:30.040 to ask you to go through all your all your 0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:33.160 jobs prior to the one year. Well, actually I dropped 0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:34.680 out of school early because I got back in the 0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:39.120 school and mom and dad got back together somehow. I 0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:42.160 don't know freaking why or how that happened, but mom 0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:45.240 and dad got back together, and they, you know, I 0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:48.400 got back into schooling and stuff like that. I actually 0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:50.760 fell out of school because all those years have been 0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:53.160 in rural Australia, I didn't have a lot of schooling 0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:55.959 and I was actually deaf in one ear and they 0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:58.920 didn't know. They just thought I was disobedient in the class. 0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:02.760 Actually couldn't hear what the teacher was saying. And it 0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:05.720 was really tough schooling when I did go, because there 0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:08.320 was like one classroom because like very remote, so all 0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:10.280 the country kids would come in and it was like 0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:14.280 I think there was like kids in the one school 0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:19.000 and of all different grades. So the teacher just come 0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:20.480 and spend a bit of time view or give you 0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:22.480 a little bit of paperwork if you're old enough to 0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:25.160 read and whatnot. They thought I was really disobedient, but 0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:27.080 I just couldn't hear because they didn't pick up that 0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:30.400 I was completely different one here, and so I lacked 0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:33.440 in a lot of schooling and end up dropping out 0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:40.120 because I just couldn't catch up, and um, where was 0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:45.200 I even going with this? I just started thinking about this. Sorry, 0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:49.480 I dropped out of school and went landscaping, and I 0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:53.200 went from landscaping to fencing, you know, like domestic fencing 0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:57.880 wooden timber fences and stuff like that. And through that 0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:01.400 I actually learned to worked really hard because I was 0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:04.440 on like you'd get paid per lineal meter and it 0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:06.480 was like peanuts. It was like a dollar fifty or 0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:09.440 lineal meter, so that nail gun had to be going 0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:10.960 off like an a k. You know, I had to 0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:14.360 be gone for anyway. I learned and I was making 0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:16.680 good money out of it, and the building game sort 0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:19.239 of crashed a bit, and I'm getting the job at 0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:21.480 foot Locker, and I ended up meeting Kim. She worked 0:31:21.480 --> 0:31:23.760 at Super, so that like that all worked like in 0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:26.360 the mall. You guys meant yeah, in the mall, but 0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:33.640 I hated it because we ain't jumping over that. Uh well, 0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:35.840 you met at the mall. There's like at the food court. 0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:39.640 But so I was my little sister's guardian when I 0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:43.320 was like eighteen, and actually before I was even legal. 0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:47.720 I was like an unlawful guardian because my mother had 0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:51.240 left to another city and my sister they didn't get 0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:53.320 along at all. So end up looking after my little sister. 0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:55.960 But I couldn't give her any money for lunch or 0:31:55.960 --> 0:32:00.320 anything because she spend it on smokes or some that 0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:05.160 she didn't need. So on my lunch break, I would 0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:07.720 go and give her some money for lunch or take 0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:12.600 lunch to her. And she was actually at Super and 0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:16.480 Kim was the boss there. She was the manager. I 0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:19.080 just went in and seen this good looking blonde girl 0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:24.040 or whatever, and yeah, I've never been shy, and I 0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:25.880 just asked her out straight away and she sort of 0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:28.600 freaked out, she just met me or whatever, and then yeah, 0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:30.200 we end up going out for dinner that night, and 0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:33.720 we're actually pretty much been together ever since that first night. 0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:43.200 A Kim and her background was not it was a 0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:46.080 little more stable than your est. Definitely came out of 0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:50.280 car already sort of thing. And she wasn't a le 0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:54.440 guardian of anyone yet, she wasn't a guardian of her siblings, 0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:59.040 but um, and then it was like meeting the Brady Bunch, 0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:01.720 like Kim's family, you know, like going back and like 0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:05.720 you know, roast meat and like roast vegetables and beautiful 0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:08.880 cooked meal and like no swearing in the house, and 0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:11.600 the house clean and tidy and in a good location, 0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:14.800 and like it was like actually really foreign to me, 0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:18.800 you know, and that wasn't appealing, Like it's not like, 0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:21.320 that's not why I chased Kim. That wasn't the appealing part. 0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:24.680 I had no idea, but you know, as things turned out, 0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:26.800 you know, Kim comes from a broken family as well, 0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:29.920 where parents are separated and things like that, but you know, 0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:34.600 like still absolutely lovely family, just on a different level 0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:38.360 of no violence or anything like that, and just really 0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:46.760 comfortable household and yeah, now we're married and years series 0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:49.400 have been together for that long. That's I'm thirty eight, 0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:53.800 so twenty years. Don't let her know, you're not sure? 0:33:56.600 --> 0:34:00.760 Yeah so, but yes. I and up working at foot 0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:05.480 locker and I hated because they pushed sales. I hated. 0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:07.680 It was like lying to someone like, oh, you look 0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:10.160 really good in those shoes. You should buy a pair 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:11.920 of socks and the shoes. Yeah, you know what you 0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:17.280 need with those shoes, say, yeah, multi sales. I couldn't 0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:19.560 do that. I didn't sit right with me at all. 0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:22.120 I didn't like it. And there was no money. It 0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:25.760 was peanuts and we weren't going anywhere. And then I started. 0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:29.000 I went back into construction and I started my own 0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:33.279 business in Canberra, which is the capital of Australia. And 0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:36.560 same it was like the that's the whole building industry 0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:40.160 and in Australia like booms and drops and booms and drops, 0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:42.560 and it's like you never had a comfortable income. And 0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:46.040 it was like we'd pay for the bills for that 0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:49.120 month and you'd be left with zero dollars, like maybe 0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:51.200 a bit of fuel to go somewhere, and we'd travel 0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:53.839 and when I say travel I only mean like three 0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:59.480 or four hours somewhere and come back. And Western Australia 0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:03.160 had all these jobs advertised because the mining was booming 0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:07.359 in Western Australia. And and I've going to going over 0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:09.840 to Western Australia, like a big move that's like a 0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:13.439 three or four day drive from where I lived in Nothing, 0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:16.400 and it is like there's like the city of Perth 0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:21.200 and then nothing, just the picturesque coastline where the desert 0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:24.279 runs into beautiful water. And I'm trying to talk to 0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:28.640 you and Ronnella in the coming over. It's such a 0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:33.000 beautiful destination. But um yeah. And then we went over 0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:36.080 there and all the good money that was advertised wasn't 0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:37.640 that good, and it was the same we'll just make 0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:41.040 an ends meet and all actually even fallen behind a bit. 0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:44.360 But then right up north in Western Australia, so like 0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:47.839 the Northwest, where it's like like I mean remote, like 0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:50.720 eighteen hours drive without com pass any sort of city 0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:55.120 or decent sort of population. And we went up there 0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:57.760 and the money was a little bit better, but not great. 0:35:58.000 --> 0:35:59.840 And I was doing all these big hunts as well, 0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:02.600 and I would go away from work, so I would 0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:04.759 go hunting for a week. That was no income for 0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:07.759 a week. You know, we just we've had Hunter and 0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:12.239 my eldest and I think, um, we'll plan on having 0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:15.400 other kids. And it's like this just isn't working. And 0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:17.000 I started thinking, what are you gotta do? Well, you 0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:19.320 gotta start your own business. You've got to have something 0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:22.520 where when you step away, you know, the will keeps 0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:24.560 rolling and money keeps coming in. And that's why you 0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:26.759 end up doing it and starting my business. And you know, 0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:29.440 I worked very hard at it, and there was a 0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:32.640 good period there where I did very little hunting, got 0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:35.080 a little rolling, and then you know, now it sort 0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:38.920 of runs itself and I can go away, and you know, 0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:41.200 everyone's like, how do you get sponsored? How do you 0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:44.120 get sponsored? You sponsor yourself because you're spending and not 0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:46.480 spending your own money, Like you get yourself out there, 0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:49.279 yourself out there. But that's the like, I think that's 0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:51.959 key to your success story, the story of your life. 0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:54.920 The kid of how you have successes is you got 0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:57.880 to a point where you're paying bills and you had 0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:01.000 a family you cared about, and then fairly quickly, quickly 0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:04.359 than quicker than most people, he turned around to having 0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:07.880 a very successful business that allows you to provide for 0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:10.040 that family in a way that you've never been provided 0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:12.799 for and do what you wanted to do, do what 0:37:12.800 --> 0:37:14.759 you were passionate, which is hang out with them and 0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:20.000 go huh like that's you're not even forty. Yeah, yeah, 0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:25.520 and some years ago you were you know, in poverty 0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:29.239 on the street, broke as a bit. So I think 0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:31.560 that's to me, that's important for people to know about 0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:35.319 you and so understand, you know, no matter how hard 0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:38.200 something might seem, that it can quickly turn into something 0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:41.319 pretty kick ass. Yeah, I'm glad I did it that way. Now, 0:37:41.560 --> 0:37:45.200 now that it's done with, it's easy to say, like, 0:37:45.239 --> 0:37:48.200 I'm glad I owned it that way because I appreciate 0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:51.080 everything so much, you know, and I don't take anything 0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:53.120 for granted. And I realized how lucky I am, and 0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:55.279 I realized how quickly I could go back to that 0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:58.400 as well, you know, because just nothing's might up in 0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:00.920 this world. You know, I didn't know what tomorrow holds. 0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:04.400 But that's another reason why I'm so happy for today. 0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:07.560 You know. Yeah, I don't know if you're like me, 0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:09.799 but now my kids don't got one kid, but he's 0:38:09.840 --> 0:38:13.919 getting older, and I'm I stay up at Nate sometime 0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:16.279 just thinking about like what his futures are going to be. Yeah, 0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:19.400 like that's on me. That is on me to make 0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:22.319 sure that thing is good. Yeah, definitely. And you've only 0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:25.520 got so long to influence, I mean, you know, And 0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:29.040 that's like my biggest fear is the future and my kids, 0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:30.920 you know. And it's like I'm not a person that 0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:33.920 fears much or thinks about much, but I'm just like, like, 0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:38.279 I worry for our future generation. I definitely do, you know. 0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:41.520 And it's like and and kids will trip you out 0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:45.920 because they're they're not you. They're not you. They are 0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:48.400 to a certain age. And then it's like who are 0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:50.400 they hanging out with? Though, because it's hard to monitor 0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:53.719 him in school and things like that. And so far, 0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:56.480 we've been very lucky that I hunting My eldest son, 0:38:56.520 --> 0:39:00.239 who's in high school. He's just gotten in with a 0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:02.920 good crowd, you know, like the other kids at school. 0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:04.920 We met them all and things like that that he 0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:07.279 hangs with, and they're seemed to be really sensible. And 0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:10.680 you know, I remember when I was growing up, there 0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:15.239 was some real shotty kids at school, you know, like 0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:17.719 there was kids that are already sort of into doing 0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:20.480 drugs and things like that. And it's like, and I was, 0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:22.759 I sort of fell in with that crowd for a 0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:26.279 while as well, you know, and I'm just lucky that I'm, 0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:28.839 you know, a strong minded person that I could sort 0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:30.840 of get out of that. And I did because I 0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:35.800 was like, yes, this it's constant drama. There's something constantly happening, 0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:40.320 you know, I think I do you call it wag 0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:43.920 school here where you skip school? Yeah, Like I skipped 0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:46.480 school for like twenty nine days in a row when 0:39:46.520 --> 0:39:49.440 I was in high school, and every day was just 0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:52.080 going out of these kids and getting up the mischief 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:55.960 and and I suppose there was a little bit of 0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:59.719 peer pressure there, you know, to keep doing that, you know, 0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:02.040 because it's like they're my friends and stuff like that. 0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:04.680 And then somewhere along the lawn, I just went, I've 0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:06.960 got to stop hanging with this crowd. I've got to 0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:10.879 stop doing this. How do you I've had My dad 0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:14.400 tells the story that somewhere during college, because I was 0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:16.600 always a C plus B plus two, I was always 0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:18.520 the dumbest kid in smart class, or the kid that 0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:22.760 didn't apply himself in the smart class. Somewhere during college, 0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:24.279 I think I walked up with my dad. I'm like, listen, man, 0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:25.879 I'm tired of this bullshit. I'm gonna get all as 0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:28.080 from now, like I'm just gonna now. I'm just gonna 0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:30.640 apply myself because I'm tired of what has been happening 0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:33.160 in my life. And I did. And he's tells that 0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:37.200 story like I don't remember that, but he does. And um, 0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:40.600 I've got a lot of friends that my hometown back 0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:47.480 in Maryland is basically is straight up heroin den like Opie, 0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:51.919 it's our problem. And I've got half a dozen friends 0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:54.280 that are either in jail or dead from high school 0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:57.560 or earlier on. I always think about, like those guys 0:40:57.560 --> 0:40:59.160 were me, We were this. We grew up in the 0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:02.400 same place with with both all with you know, good parents, 0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:05.000 in the same little area. But some of them, like 0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:09.160 I took, I decided not to when they didn't decide 0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:12.600 not to. Do you think everyone? Do you think everyone 0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:15.160 can make that decision? But they don't. Because That's what 0:41:15.239 --> 0:41:18.880 I struggle with because so many people grow up like 0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:21.200 I do, and they just followed their fathers or their 0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:24.600 mother's footsteps exactly the same. Like how did I get 0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:26.800 to veer off? How did I make the decision? I 0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:28.640 don't want to be like that, but other people don't 0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:34.040 because it seems like everyone would be aware that this 0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:36.960 isn't a good lof style. Yeah, no, everybody. I think 0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:42.200 everybody is aware that these environments are negative. When you're 0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:45.640 in them, you're aware. And I wasn't in a negative environment, 0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:48.040 but drugs were around. Things are around, and I knew 0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:52.000 if I continue down this road it's not good. But 0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:56.640 some people, I wonder if it's just a space and 0:41:56.680 --> 0:41:58.960 time thing. You think, this is a stage of my life, 0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:01.200 this is fun right now, these are my people right now. 0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:03.120 I'll eventually get out of it. And then you never 0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:05.600 do you die or you go to prison, or that 0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:08.040 becomes your life and you can't get out. And some 0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:10.680 people start and think, wait a minute, this is there's 0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:13.399 a turning point here in my life. I can either 0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:16.640 go down this path and it can be it can 0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:18.480 become my life and it's going to be shipped, or 0:42:18.520 --> 0:42:21.799 I can turn things around. There's definitely a recipe that 0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:25.520 puts you into that position. And it's like when you 0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:29.799 are living off welfare or something like that that there's 0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:32.439 a lot more negativity around you, and it seems it's 0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:34.480 like the easy way out, like well, I'll just take 0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:37.960 drugs or whatever, or there's a recipe there that pushes 0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:41.560 people into that position, you know, And like I just 0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:45.080 always struggle with that. I'm because I'm no better than 0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:47.520 anyone else. But how how do they make that decision? 0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:50.000 I want to know what it takes, what it talked 0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:53.000 to make that decision, And if everyone can make it, 0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:56.680 then why aren't they? Because that's not a future that's 0:42:56.680 --> 0:42:59.960 good for anybody. And the odds are stacked against you. 0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:03.640 In your situation, the odds were absolutely stacked against I mean, 0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:06.279 and then the odds were not in my position. I was, 0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:08.480 my parents were well off, we lived in the suburbs. 0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:11.120 The odds were not stacked against me. I mean, I 0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:14.960 could have gone the way that some of my friends went, um, 0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:17.000 but none of our odds were stacked up like yours were. 0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:20.239 But there's many many people in situations just like you 0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:23.480 were that either don't see the way out or just 0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:26.520 don't have the fortitude to take it or make the past. 0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:30.000 I always feel like there's there's something mentally going on, 0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:33.560 you know, where wherever it's a little bit mentally stronger 0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:37.400 or something. But I'm very like, I'm always very headstrong, 0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:40.840 you know, like that one voice if something inside my 0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:44.520 head says I can't do it, fuck you, I'm gonna 0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:47.319 give up my best and if I die doing it 0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:51.359 like that sort of headstrong, and I you know, my 0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:53.879 I spent my last well, I spent a long time 0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:55.480 in my life being or not people like you and 0:43:55.520 --> 0:44:00.560 people like Rogan and just very successful people. And you 0:44:00.640 --> 0:44:04.360 start to see similarities, and that's one of them. Yeah, sure, 0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:08.920 that's one of them. There's just this unrelenting need to 0:44:10.040 --> 0:44:13.200 climb the mountain, climb that even if the mountain is 0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:15.160 way taller than you can even see, it's like, I'm 0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:18.160 just gonna keep climbing. Yeah, And then eventually gets at 0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:22.440 the top and some people start halfway up and they 0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:26.319 don't know. I probably couldn't even explain it to you. Yeah, yeah, 0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:28.759 I can't do that. I think I've quit, like on 0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:30.759 two or three things in my whole life. One of 0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:34.960 those things I always tell this story was um and 0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:37.680 I don't mean like quitting as in, you didn't kill 0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:40.480 an elk, so you're still up in the mountains two 0:44:40.600 --> 0:44:45.160 years later, especially in land and frigging Montana. But I 0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:48.280 mean as in, if you're planned a twenty day hunt, 0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:51.839 there's a good chance and I'm unsuccessful, there's a good 0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:53.960 chance I'll come out on twenty one or twenty two 0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:57.520 and miss my flights and whatever else. But one time 0:44:57.760 --> 0:45:02.000 was I had Laura's era and she's like a survivalist. 0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:05.160 She's like she's kicked us and makeing the fends and 0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:08.239 stuff like that, and it's like wet and raining, and 0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:10.560 I'm like, now is the perfect time to try and 0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:15.319 start a fire with sticks rubbing sticks together. So like 0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:17.520 I've been going to that for like twenty minutes, and 0:45:17.560 --> 0:45:19.560 I found like a shoulder bone of like a deer, 0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:21.560 and I had that as the weight pushing down. I 0:45:21.600 --> 0:45:24.400 made my little bow and it was darkened up the 0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:27.960 timber and it was getting hot. And she comes over 0:45:28.040 --> 0:45:31.680 in like ten fifteen minutes. She's got this roaring fire 0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:34.360 going like she makes his bow and she's like, and 0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:37.560 that's what she does. And I've done it plenty of 0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:40.280 times before, but not with hardwood like the Austrain hardwood, 0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:43.680 and not when it's wet and damp like that. And 0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:45.560 I'm going at it for like two and a half 0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:49.040 three hours, cramped over my legs and cramped my backs 0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:51.600 because you're like running the you know, like a string 0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:56.080 saw the whole time rubbing the stick. And that was 0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:58.160 like the first time I'd ever given up on something 0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:00.919 that I wanted to do. And I remember that. I'll 0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:03.759 never forget that because it was like, literally it's like ship, 0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:09.440 I'm actually going to give up because my friend Andrews, 0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:11.919 all my kids, they were all packed up, they're ready 0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:14.319 to leave, and I still had them sitting there for 0:46:14.400 --> 0:46:16.160 like an hour. I'm trying to get it going on, 0:46:16.280 --> 0:46:18.719 like I have to give up. This is now not 0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:21.480 fun for anyone. And I gave up on light in 0:46:21.560 --> 0:46:23.880 that fire, you know, And I'll never forget that. I 0:46:23.880 --> 0:46:26.239 can't remember what the second or third thing was. But 0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:28.239 what I'm saying is there's something in my head that 0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:31.000 won't let me give up. You know who will say like, 0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:34.319 if you don't do this, you're useless. Don't give up, 0:46:34.320 --> 0:46:37.560 don't give up. And I can never break a promise. 0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:43.239 If I promise you something, then I'm coming through. Well, 0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:46.439 like I said that, our society in the situation you're 0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:50.799 in coming up and even daily like you're offered ways out. 0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:55.359 Technology is a way out um many of our minern 0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:58.239 ways that communicates a way out. You could literally live. 0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:00.360 You can live in a house and never leave it 0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:04.399 and be a successful person in our society. So there's 0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:06.920 many ways out, and it's like are you willing to 0:47:06.920 --> 0:47:09.880 take them or not? You know, there's welfare, there's people, 0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:12.120 people will pay your way if you you can gain 0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:15.640 the system. The system is gamable for sure, Yeah, definitely, 0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:19.239 But if you're just unwilling to just yeah, it's just 0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:22.359 doesn't seem like a way to live a very fulfilled life, 0:47:22.520 --> 0:47:25.040 you know. And that's like my goal is to live 0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:27.560 a very fulfilled life and bring as many people along 0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:31.040 as I can for them. You know. I was talking 0:47:31.080 --> 0:47:33.840 to someone about this the other day, and it was 0:47:33.880 --> 0:47:37.960 the guys that Mountaknops where you know, if you can 0:47:38.000 --> 0:47:41.279 do good, you've sort of got to look after yourself first, right. 0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:44.600 You get yourself in such a way that you're comfortable, 0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:47.839 and then you know, and then you can bring your 0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:50.319 wife in or your girlfriend, you can bring your kids in, 0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:53.120 and and you get to a point where you can 0:47:53.120 --> 0:47:56.120 look after all your immediate family and friends, you know, 0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:58.239 so it's like they're all happy like, you know, it's 0:47:58.360 --> 0:48:01.520 a big positive circle and you bring everyone in. Then 0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:04.200 you know, if you've looked after all those and in 0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:06.839 my position, then I can start looking after other people too, 0:48:06.960 --> 0:48:08.920 you know, and do and you've done this, you know, 0:48:09.120 --> 0:48:11.359 anyone in our position can do this. Where it's like 0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:14.279 the you know, I've got to keep it clean at 0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:18.120 the moment where where I'm giving away pretty much all 0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:21.000 of my hunting gear that I've used this season, I'm 0:48:21.040 --> 0:48:24.239 giving away all of my hunting gear for anyone that 0:48:24.280 --> 0:48:28.080 gets random pretty much randomly picked for picking up rubbish 0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:30.360 from in the back country. Because one thing I've noticed, 0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:32.480 and it drives me nuts, is you go back into 0:48:32.560 --> 0:48:36.160 days beautiful you know, Christine places, and then there's like 0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:39.919 a beer can for one of those bloody helium things 0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:42.480 or whatever, and it's like fun, this so doesn't belong here, 0:48:42.520 --> 0:48:45.480 you know, And so I can start spending energy on 0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:49.600 doing other things, you know, like promoting keep it clean. Um, 0:48:49.640 --> 0:48:52.880 you know, I can start spending time on promoting anything, 0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:55.879 you know, a cause for cancer or anything like that. 0:48:56.520 --> 0:49:01.840 And I don't know, it's like it's it's still uh 0:49:01.880 --> 0:49:05.440 because we're trying to say it's like it's a selfish act, 0:49:05.840 --> 0:49:08.080 but it's not because then I feel good because I've 0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:10.080 done good, you know, if I can make someone else 0:49:10.120 --> 0:49:13.520 happy and things like that. So well, just because there's 0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:16.080 and I talked about this when we were announcing our 0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:18.600 new company here media drink about like you get up 0:49:18.600 --> 0:49:21.040 in the morning and why, like what's your why why 0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:23.040 are you doing what you're doing? And when it comes 0:49:23.040 --> 0:49:26.280 to creating stuff like this media, you know, you're social media, 0:49:26.360 --> 0:49:29.080 any any messaging where you're putting yourself outside to the world, 0:49:29.080 --> 0:49:32.160 it's like, do you care about the audience? Do you 0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:34.279 care about the people that would listen to that? And 0:49:34.320 --> 0:49:36.919 all and all of them in their totality? Like I care, 0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:39.800 I kind of know what my audience is. I understand 0:49:40.200 --> 0:49:43.080 that we share values, and I understand that we share 0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:45.400 a space and hunting and we share the outside world. 0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:47.960 And like, do do I care about you? Do I 0:49:48.080 --> 0:49:51.439 legitimately fucking care about you? Because if I don't, then 0:49:51.480 --> 0:49:54.560 this is all bullshit. This is all virtue signaling, and 0:49:54.600 --> 0:49:57.040 this is all me trying to look important and really special? 0:49:57.760 --> 0:49:59.960 Or do I really care about you? Do I really 0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:02.799 want you to? You know? I know you and I 0:50:02.880 --> 0:50:05.120 know that you care, and I know that your interest 0:50:05.160 --> 0:50:06.839 stories are a way to take people along and give 0:50:06.880 --> 0:50:10.040 them a window into what their life could be like 0:50:10.440 --> 0:50:12.279 or what they could get even if they I'm not 0:50:12.320 --> 0:50:14.880 trying to tell them to be hunters either. I'm just 0:50:14.960 --> 0:50:18.120 trying to say this is out there. I really enjoy 0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:21.680 it and benefit from it, you could too. And if 0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:24.880 you don't have about some understanding that this is where 0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:27.200 meat comes from, or this is beautiful and we need 0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:29.600 to keep this, you know, public, We need to keep 0:50:29.640 --> 0:50:33.279 this land, you know. We can't just keep laying concrete 0:50:33.320 --> 0:50:38.480 over top of ground, you know. And it's I don't know, 0:50:38.520 --> 0:50:40.360 it gets forgotten because there's people in the city that 0:50:40.440 --> 0:50:42.480 don't even know that exists. They don't even think about it. 0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:44.399 It's not part of their thought, you know. And that's 0:50:44.719 --> 0:50:47.200 and I care for the person that I've never ever 0:50:47.239 --> 0:50:50.040 met before. I care for the stranger on the street. 0:50:50.080 --> 0:50:51.719 I care for those people that are walking past this 0:50:51.800 --> 0:50:53.960 building right now. They look pretty cool, they look pretty cool, 0:50:54.000 --> 0:50:56.799 They're good. Yeah, you know, just we can. I just 0:50:56.840 --> 0:51:00.719 want everyone to be happy. And then I think part 0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:03.520 of that's the beauty of social media, but part of 0:51:03.560 --> 0:51:07.319 the problem is you constantly put yourself out there right, 0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:10.240 You're constantly messaging around the things you care about, and 0:51:10.440 --> 0:51:13.160 then it becomes oh, you get sponsored. It's a business, 0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:15.720 and those things start to come together in a weird 0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:20.399 way and people can start to think, well sold out 0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:24.080 or oh did this? Well? You like the word byproduct. 0:51:24.280 --> 0:51:27.000 It's just a byproduct of what I do, you know, 0:51:27.080 --> 0:51:30.879 and if that and it helps you do what I do, 0:51:31.239 --> 0:51:33.560 like it does, I'd do it anyway because I did. 0:51:34.320 --> 0:51:37.239 You were doing it before. Anybody gives way before. And 0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:40.680 I'm Australian. No one gives a funk about Australian. You know, 0:51:40.760 --> 0:51:43.680 That's what it's like, Like Australian has never heard of 0:51:43.680 --> 0:51:46.680 a sponsorship, a sponsored hunter. I do like blooming onions, 0:51:46.719 --> 0:51:49.720 you do, even though no one serves them in Australia. 0:51:49.800 --> 0:51:54.440 But whatever they But we're so stupid in America. What 0:51:54.440 --> 0:52:00.000 are we doing? Totally? But that's because I write artie 0:52:00.000 --> 0:52:02.239 calls for thirty years and I never took payment for 0:52:02.280 --> 0:52:04.880 a single article for thirty years because I just wanted 0:52:04.920 --> 0:52:08.040 to promote hunting in the outdoors. I just wanted people 0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:13.680 to see that. And what sucked about hunting magazines is 0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:16.799 hunters were buying those magazines and every now and then 0:52:16.800 --> 0:52:19.680 I'd write a strictly bow hunting magazines every now and 0:52:19.680 --> 0:52:22.040 then write an article for a shooting magazine like a 0:52:22.080 --> 0:52:25.360 gun magazine. I love those articles most, not because of 0:52:25.400 --> 0:52:27.360 what I wrote or anything like that, but because I 0:52:27.440 --> 0:52:30.080 knew there was guys that had never bow hunted before 0:52:30.560 --> 0:52:32.799 that would see the article and get bows and go 0:52:32.800 --> 0:52:37.080 out bowl hunting. And then, like Facebook sort of blew up. 0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:39.640 Facebook was good, but it was only my friends, Like 0:52:39.680 --> 0:52:42.480 I kept on Facebook pretty personal, and I started the 0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:47.200 business Facebook, and I'd noticed non hunters because they had 0:52:47.239 --> 0:52:49.080 asked questions. You knew they were non hunters, like, oh, 0:52:49.080 --> 0:52:52.080 I wish I buy my first bow, whereas this bowne goodness, 0:52:52.120 --> 0:52:55.279 Like that's awesome. People are getting into it, and now 0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:57.560 I've got a responsibility as well to promote it in 0:52:57.640 --> 0:53:01.200 a certain way, you know, eating the meat, practicing, making 0:53:01.200 --> 0:53:04.200 sure you do ethical shots, things like that. That started 0:53:04.200 --> 0:53:07.719 feeling good, Like that feels good. Anyone that says that 0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:09.840 doesn't feel good, well, I don't know what you're in 0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:12.200 it for. But that felt good to me. That I 0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:17.160 was getting to push my ethics, which I knew were good, 0:53:17.560 --> 0:53:21.399 onto other people, you know, because I'm not like one 0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:24.920 of these controversial figures where I pushed like spine shooting 0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:28.560 tear or something like that. It's like the textbook stuff. 0:53:29.360 --> 0:53:32.560 Then Instagram come along, you know, and obviously Rogue and 0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:35.560 blew me up on Instagram. But even before Rogan blew 0:53:35.600 --> 0:53:40.439 them out to have fifty people following, and I could 0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:42.960 put the word out on bo hunting or the outdoors 0:53:43.120 --> 0:53:47.560 or eating meat or whatever it was instantly and half 0:53:47.560 --> 0:53:50.600 of them weren't even in the hunting. Now let's do 0:53:50.680 --> 0:53:54.239 the other end. I reckon two hundred thousand followers of 0:53:54.360 --> 0:53:58.040 mine don't hunt, you know, and I get to put 0:53:58.120 --> 0:54:01.080 that word out, you know that they are. It's public lands, 0:54:01.120 --> 0:54:04.560 eating meat, you know, hunting, fishing everything. Did you ever 0:54:04.640 --> 0:54:07.200 feel yourself? I struggle with this and I'm open about 0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:08.640 it just because that's part of the reason I have 0:54:08.719 --> 0:54:11.120 this podcast so I can just talk through ship with people. 0:54:11.120 --> 0:54:14.000 But I really like in respect, but like, do you 0:54:14.000 --> 0:54:17.200 ever feel yourself? There's like a playbook, right, there's the 0:54:17.280 --> 0:54:21.279 hunting playbook. Why do you hunt? Well, here's the playbook? Right? 0:54:21.320 --> 0:54:26.359 We already we know conservation, our North American model, meet 0:54:27.280 --> 0:54:32.520 adventure from sustenance. I don't have one thing. Yeah, yeah, 0:54:32.600 --> 0:54:35.640 if that's where you're going. There's not one reason why 0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:39.520 just one reason why hunt, you know, there's many reasons 0:54:39.520 --> 0:54:41.960 why hunt, yeah, you know. And it's like it is, 0:54:42.000 --> 0:54:44.000 it's like eating meat, but sometimes I shoot things. We 0:54:44.280 --> 0:54:47.800 can't eat the meat, you know, and it's like predator control, 0:54:47.840 --> 0:54:50.840 and it's like, well, it's just not predator control. It's 0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:53.239 that I'm an animal as well, and what I do 0:54:53.400 --> 0:54:57.200 is a hunt, you know. And it's like if and 0:54:57.239 --> 0:54:59.360 it depends where it is because some countries may not 0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:01.920 have this quite in check. But basically, if you're in 0:55:01.960 --> 0:55:04.760 America and there's a tag for something and there's science 0:55:04.800 --> 0:55:08.080 that's gone behind it, there's no wrong in hunting that animal. 0:55:09.080 --> 0:55:12.359 You know, there's there's there's nothing that you can do 0:55:12.680 --> 0:55:15.680 legally right in any of the countries that I've ever 0:55:15.760 --> 0:55:17.800 hunted in, like even Africa and stuff like that. And 0:55:17.840 --> 0:55:19.960 I know some people turn their nose up about hunting 0:55:19.960 --> 0:55:25.400 in Africa. It's still for a purpose hunting. Hunting has 0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:29.440 Hunters in the modern day have never hunted something where 0:55:29.520 --> 0:55:32.799 the numbers become endangered. It's actually quite opposite. Whatever gets 0:55:32.880 --> 0:55:36.839 hunted has a value, and numbers are increasing, you know, 0:55:36.840 --> 0:55:39.839 and I've had like obviously, I've had many arguments over 0:55:39.840 --> 0:55:42.839 the years, but one lady and I hardly ever get 0:55:42.920 --> 0:55:45.799 hunt from hate from anti hunters. Most of my hate 0:55:45.840 --> 0:55:48.920 comes from other hunters these days, where people have just 0:55:48.960 --> 0:55:51.399 got a difference of opinion or they you know, they've 0:55:51.440 --> 0:55:54.160 listened to some gossip or some crap like that. But 0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:57.720 this lady sent me a message and she was saying 0:55:57.719 --> 0:56:02.080 about her domestic pig, you know, like I can't believe 0:56:02.120 --> 0:56:04.200 you're in the hunting and stuff like that. And I'm like, well, 0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:07.440 you're actually talking about animal that doesn't get hunted. You're 0:56:07.440 --> 0:56:10.359 talking about a pink domestic pig. But the only reason 0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:13.480 that pink domestic pig is here today is because of 0:56:13.600 --> 0:56:17.280 human consumption. That's the only reason those cows are alive 0:56:17.400 --> 0:56:20.640 and have a life today is because of human consumption. 0:56:21.080 --> 0:56:23.319 And you're saying you want to take that away, like 0:56:23.440 --> 0:56:26.319 there's a much bigger picture here, right, There's a much 0:56:26.320 --> 0:56:29.200 bigger picture here. Those animals have lives and are here 0:56:29.840 --> 0:56:33.440 because the man the demand for meat. They get a 0:56:33.520 --> 0:56:36.600 life because of the demand for meat. You know, like 0:56:36.840 --> 0:56:39.879 if we put that at the human end, right and say, look, 0:56:39.920 --> 0:56:42.360 the world's overpopulated, no more humans, No one's lawed to 0:56:42.360 --> 0:56:46.120 have babies anymore. That's the nine My little girl, my 0:56:46.280 --> 0:56:49.880 kids life, they wouldn't be even be here today to 0:56:49.920 --> 0:56:53.160 have feelings and stuff like that. There's a much bigger 0:56:53.200 --> 0:56:56.840 picture here, and it goes way further than what someone's 0:56:56.880 --> 0:57:00.879 opinion or belief or something. Life way deeper. And then 0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:03.680 I I always like to say, if if we got 0:57:05.280 --> 0:57:07.839 all the bow hunters that follow you, are all like you, 0:57:07.880 --> 0:57:09.520 and all your bow hunting friends in the room, and 0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:13.600 we said, okay, here's the deal. Uh white tailed deer. 0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:17.280 You guys like him, you love him? Yeah, can't on 0:57:17.360 --> 0:57:22.680 him anymore? All right, fuck you. We're like, okay, let's 0:57:22.720 --> 0:57:26.640 get past that. Secondary to that, do you still care 0:57:26.680 --> 0:57:31.040 about them? Do you still want them around? I'm sure 0:57:31.120 --> 0:57:34.120 the answer would be yes. I am sure the answer 0:57:34.120 --> 0:57:38.080 would be yes. And I think that answers the question 0:57:38.600 --> 0:57:42.480 of do we value the animal beyond our ability to 0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:45.000 kill it? Do we value it? Because if you told 0:57:45.000 --> 0:57:46.959 me you can't hunt olk anymore, I would like, that's fine, 0:57:46.960 --> 0:57:49.760 but I would love for the elk population is just 0:57:50.000 --> 0:57:52.680 let's what's the solution? You better provide me another solution 0:57:52.680 --> 0:57:55.720 where the value is there, the money is there, the 0:57:55.760 --> 0:57:58.080 conservations efforts so there. That's better than the one we 0:57:58.080 --> 0:57:59.919 currently have, which is hunting in our model of conser 0:58:00.000 --> 0:58:04.760 asian um. But I truly believe. I do think about 0:58:04.800 --> 0:58:08.080 this the other day. I wonder about sometimes about some 0:58:08.200 --> 0:58:10.960 fisherman if you said, oh, hey, you can't catch those trout, 0:58:12.280 --> 0:58:16.240 would they would they still? I want to clean clean 0:58:16.240 --> 0:58:17.960 water clean that's true. What they care when they just 0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:21.120 go back wherever they came from. I don't know that question, 0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:23.680 not that big a fisherman, but I think our group 0:58:24.920 --> 0:58:27.280 feebly you and I know it would say yeah, absolutely, 0:58:27.320 --> 0:58:30.480 I care, I care, and I want it to be this. 0:58:30.640 --> 0:58:32.800 Heapes the things that I don't hunt, but I still 0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:36.960 want around, love to see and but and but in 0:58:37.440 --> 0:58:41.600 your killing the hunt of the Pokey Point. And yesterday 0:58:41.640 --> 0:58:44.000 we see him on the road. As soon as I 0:58:44.080 --> 0:58:46.320 seen that, I slowed down for it and I was like, 0:58:46.400 --> 0:58:48.120 make sure he gets across the road. And I sort 0:58:48.160 --> 0:58:51.040 of like even parked across like double lines to make 0:58:51.080 --> 0:58:53.080 sure the avoca because he just couldn't buzz pass me. 0:58:53.120 --> 0:58:55.680 And I flashed him, let the porkey pon walked off 0:58:55.720 --> 0:58:57.520 and make him and the keys looks and he was like, five, 0:58:57.880 --> 0:59:00.640 that's so cool. That's it. I'm never going to hunt 0:59:00.640 --> 0:59:03.720 a porcupine. It's probably illegal to start with. I've got 0:59:03.800 --> 0:59:05.840 absolutely no interest in that, but I still want to 0:59:05.840 --> 0:59:08.400 see it. Saying for the bird life and everything like that, 0:59:08.440 --> 0:59:10.800 it just comes part and pass or with what we do. 0:59:11.280 --> 0:59:13.720 What's the difference from you between a porcupine and elk? 0:59:13.920 --> 0:59:16.200 Something you would hunt, something you wouldn't when you look 0:59:16.200 --> 0:59:23.880 at the animal itself, there's not. There's really not. Yeah, 0:59:23.720 --> 0:59:26.120 you don't. And that's one thing I've talked to We've 0:59:26.120 --> 0:59:28.600 talked about two is how do we as hunters better 0:59:28.640 --> 0:59:31.200 communicate that we care about the entire eco systems are 0:59:31.240 --> 0:59:34.480 not just yeah, I've made a real point. I did 0:59:34.480 --> 0:59:35.920 it with the moose that I just shot in b 0:59:36.120 --> 0:59:39.280 C where because everyone wants to go straight through the antlers, 0:59:39.680 --> 0:59:41.800 and that's not just because you're a trophy hunter or 0:59:41.800 --> 0:59:45.080 something like that. You think about antlers, think about how 0:59:45.080 --> 0:59:47.360 amazing now are they grow in one season? Think about 0:59:47.360 --> 0:59:49.160 the size of them, how they are they stick off 0:59:49.160 --> 0:59:52.120 the head. They're very medieval. It's something that's bred into 0:59:52.160 --> 0:59:55.880 us as man. But I get to that moose and 0:59:55.920 --> 0:59:59.400 I'm like, look at this creature, Look at this beautiful creature. 0:59:59.560 --> 1:00:01.440 And I went The first thing I did was I 1:00:01.480 --> 1:00:03.960 went to its ears due because it's got these massive 1:00:04.040 --> 1:00:06.600 ears and they're so fluffy. And I looked at its nose. 1:00:06.600 --> 1:00:09.320 They've got a different nose. And then I went over 1:00:09.320 --> 1:00:12.200 its body like all the battle scars, because really all 1:00:12.280 --> 1:00:14.840 ball and he was like full teeth missing, like punched 1:00:14.880 --> 1:00:20.600 out of his face full. I just all smashed up um. 1:00:20.720 --> 1:00:23.400 And then going into some things that might people might 1:00:23.400 --> 1:00:25.439 see it is a bit more gruesome. But I cut 1:00:25.520 --> 1:00:27.960 him open. I always checked the organs on the animals, 1:00:28.160 --> 1:00:30.160 you know, And and I opened him up, and he's 1:00:30.160 --> 1:00:32.480 got like all his liver spot on him, you know, 1:00:32.520 --> 1:00:35.800 like all this green like bubbly growth all over his liver. 1:00:35.840 --> 1:00:38.400 He had like some dry, hairy growth on his heart. 1:00:38.480 --> 1:00:42.320 And I was like, like that's the inside stuff. And 1:00:42.360 --> 1:00:44.280 I'm like even like, look at this. This is an 1:00:44.320 --> 1:00:48.560 amazing creature, you know. And but I'm also and check 1:00:48.600 --> 1:00:50.920 out the antlers they grew in one season. These are 1:00:50.920 --> 1:00:53.440 all the veins that go through there, you know. And 1:00:53.440 --> 1:00:58.120 and it's the term trophy hunter nearly doesn't exist anymore. Well, 1:00:58.160 --> 1:00:59.960 I don't know anyone that hunts just for a try 1:01:00.000 --> 1:01:02.640 if you I don't know that. I don't know anyone 1:01:02.680 --> 1:01:05.720 that does that. But a lot of hunters, you can't 1:01:05.760 --> 1:01:08.520 eat antlers. That's usually what gets displayed in the house. 1:01:08.520 --> 1:01:12.000 So you're like trophy hunter and the antlers, you know, 1:01:12.120 --> 1:01:14.960 so amazing that usually they're at the forefront of a photo. 1:01:15.240 --> 1:01:17.240 You know. It's like, and I've seen you doing the 1:01:17.360 --> 1:01:22.400 trophy hunting. What a trophy photo? Two points? That's where 1:01:22.880 --> 1:01:24.840 the meat that's here, which is cool and it and 1:01:24.880 --> 1:01:28.080 it is that is if you in a sense, that's 1:01:28.120 --> 1:01:30.800 a trophy in itself, like look at the meat. But 1:01:30.880 --> 1:01:33.640 you eat the meat and it disappears and everything sort 1:01:33.640 --> 1:01:38.360 of disappears except for bone, hide and the antlers or 1:01:38.360 --> 1:01:40.600 horns or whatever it is. So they usually get put 1:01:40.640 --> 1:01:46.080 on display. And and I've never kept something to to 1:01:46.200 --> 1:01:48.360 have other hunters or people go wow, look at the 1:01:48.400 --> 1:01:51.880 size of that. I've only ever kept anything like antlers 1:01:51.880 --> 1:01:56.440 are high or photos even memory wise, you know, like 1:01:57.160 --> 1:02:01.600 and it's like it's become like respectful thing, you know, 1:02:01.680 --> 1:02:04.360 Like I feel like that's like respecting the animal, like 1:02:04.800 --> 1:02:08.280 you know, but some people different opinions. I feel like 1:02:08.360 --> 1:02:11.360 that's the complete opposite. You know, that's not respect by 1:02:11.360 --> 1:02:14.320 putting a dead animal on the wall or something. Well, 1:02:14.320 --> 1:02:16.520 I think part of my part of that group we're 1:02:16.560 --> 1:02:18.320 in two point is not to say don't do the one, 1:02:19.560 --> 1:02:22.520 but it's it's to say, like it's a perspective thing. 1:02:22.560 --> 1:02:26.439 It's to get people thinking about it. It's like, hey, 1:02:26.640 --> 1:02:29.200 cherish this, look at this beautiful bit of meat, Like 1:02:29.280 --> 1:02:31.480 this is going to fade my family. This is awesome, 1:02:31.680 --> 1:02:33.800 And this is an evolution of our pres not of 1:02:33.800 --> 1:02:36.440 our hunting, because I think all hunters always have the 1:02:36.520 --> 1:02:39.040 sensibilities that you have, most all the ones that I 1:02:39.040 --> 1:02:41.880 would consider hunters people in my group. There's other people 1:02:41.880 --> 1:02:45.160 that are assholes, deal with them and other conversations. But 1:02:45.680 --> 1:02:50.040 people that are like you and I to have the 1:02:50.120 --> 1:02:53.480 values that you and I do are struggling now to 1:02:53.480 --> 1:02:57.080 to define how we tell our story right. And part 1:02:57.080 --> 1:02:58.919 of it is just let's evolve to the two point 1:02:58.920 --> 1:03:02.480 over the three point oh presentation of a dead thing, 1:03:02.560 --> 1:03:05.880 because there's nothing that I've ever run across. I've thought 1:03:05.920 --> 1:03:07.920 about this at length, and I know you probably have 1:03:08.000 --> 1:03:12.360 to nothing like the grip and grin to take what 1:03:12.600 --> 1:03:15.520 you think it represents and what you know, it represents 1:03:15.560 --> 1:03:17.480 because it's you and you're there with the animal and 1:03:17.520 --> 1:03:20.320 all the things you just said. It represents your reverence 1:03:20.320 --> 1:03:22.760 and respect for that animal. It represents why you go 1:03:22.800 --> 1:03:25.160 and do what you do. It represents this great achievement 1:03:25.840 --> 1:03:28.560 of all these enriching things in your life. And then 1:03:28.600 --> 1:03:31.160 someone else looks at it and they see a smiling 1:03:31.240 --> 1:03:36.880 asshole and his trophy, like that's it's it's it's on us, 1:03:36.960 --> 1:03:41.600 It's it's just. I think our platforms, our new platforms 1:03:41.600 --> 1:03:43.240 are definitely helping a lot because you know, you get 1:03:43.280 --> 1:03:45.640 a hunting magazine and there's only you know, so you 1:03:45.680 --> 1:03:48.320 get three pages for an article. Well there's only so 1:03:48.400 --> 1:03:50.400 many photos you can put in those free pages, and 1:03:50.400 --> 1:03:51.960 everyone wants to look at the animal and all of 1:03:52.000 --> 1:03:56.800 its clots. Now that there's formats like madea to what 1:03:56.920 --> 1:03:59.080 Steve's doing, and Steve gets to show a lot, like 1:03:59.160 --> 1:04:01.120 he gets to show all the effort that goes in 1:04:02.160 --> 1:04:04.120 just to get into the point where you see the animal. 1:04:04.680 --> 1:04:07.640 Then he gets the animal dead on the ground if 1:04:07.640 --> 1:04:11.760 he's if he's successful, and you see that quick image, 1:04:11.800 --> 1:04:14.240 you know, there's the animal whatever, then it jumps to 1:04:14.520 --> 1:04:18.120 because it's a much a length of your platform to 1:04:18.360 --> 1:04:21.120 cutting it up and cooking and eating it and like, 1:04:21.200 --> 1:04:23.320 this is life, this is why we're here today, this 1:04:23.360 --> 1:04:26.920 is why there is man. And with my platform and 1:04:27.000 --> 1:04:30.520 especially doing that the Instagram stories, do you know how 1:04:30.560 --> 1:04:32.920 many messages I get that are like, holy did it? 1:04:32.960 --> 1:04:35.040 I didn't know it took that much, you know, like 1:04:35.160 --> 1:04:39.080 climbing the mountain, camping back there, all the organization, getting 1:04:39.080 --> 1:04:41.640 it killed, getting it out, getting that cut up, you know, 1:04:41.680 --> 1:04:43.400 getting it to the freezer, getting it to the pen. 1:04:44.280 --> 1:04:49.040 That definitely that platform that we can show things on now. 1:04:49.080 --> 1:04:51.439 And then you've got guys like Cameron Haynes and John 1:04:51.480 --> 1:04:54.240 Dudley and stuff like Bremmy Warren at the forefront of it, 1:04:54.280 --> 1:04:59.280 and like Rogan notorious for showing the meat, you know, 1:04:59.360 --> 1:05:02.640 and just showing on a much bigger picture where it's 1:05:02.680 --> 1:05:04.320 not like we just drive out there, I shoot at you, 1:05:04.480 --> 1:05:06.960 the the truck loaded up, you know, drinks some bees. 1:05:07.120 --> 1:05:10.080 It's not like that's Hollywood. Well yeah, I mean you 1:05:10.160 --> 1:05:13.240 got somebody like Shane Dorian, right, somebody like Joe Rogan. 1:05:13.280 --> 1:05:14.840 These are people that are at the top of their 1:05:14.880 --> 1:05:18.920 game and they had not in hunting, not unting pro 1:05:19.040 --> 1:05:23.520 surfer and is a pro Tolka just a pro and everything. 1:05:25.200 --> 1:05:29.280 But they're those guys there that's adult onset hunting. What 1:05:29.320 --> 1:05:32.160 that is that they took up hunting when they were 1:05:32.240 --> 1:05:37.400 intellectually able to process what they were doing. And what 1:05:37.560 --> 1:05:41.920 always enlighten me about their output on social media is 1:05:41.960 --> 1:05:44.439 that neither one of those two people, they didn't get 1:05:44.560 --> 1:05:46.240 Joe and Shane didn't get together and be like, let's 1:05:46.280 --> 1:05:48.760 not share a grip and grips, let's not share dead 1:05:48.800 --> 1:05:52.360 animal shots. Let's just share meat, and let's share the camaraderie, 1:05:52.360 --> 1:05:54.160 and let's share the things that we know are important. 1:05:54.920 --> 1:05:57.560 They did it opposite of each other. You know. Part 1:05:57.560 --> 1:05:59.600 of it was a reaction to deciety, the reaction to 1:06:00.160 --> 1:06:02.880 a little bit to how how people would reactive. Joe 1:06:02.920 --> 1:06:05.000 Rogan in a dead elk on his Instagram would probably 1:06:05.040 --> 1:06:08.400 not be great. But I think they also were forced 1:06:08.400 --> 1:06:12.640 to eliminate that from their output, their communication and focus 1:06:12.680 --> 1:06:16.960 on the things that really did enrich They show. They 1:06:17.000 --> 1:06:19.360 showed the bigger picture. Now again, I think it's not 1:06:19.440 --> 1:06:22.480 as organic as as is all that because they know 1:06:22.640 --> 1:06:25.800 the controversy that comes up if you post something a 1:06:25.800 --> 1:06:30.160 dead animal. But they still are our successful hunters and 1:06:30.200 --> 1:06:34.080 everybody knows it, and they're promoting the sport without beside 1:06:34.520 --> 1:06:38.640 that became controversial, without hunters even understanding how it became, 1:06:39.160 --> 1:06:41.680 and it just doesn't go well with their platform because 1:06:41.680 --> 1:06:43.720 I know a couple of times and Joe's had to 1:06:43.800 --> 1:06:45.960 kill and I've been like, hey, is that okay if 1:06:46.000 --> 1:06:47.840 I share that? And he's like, yeah, go for it, 1:06:48.080 --> 1:06:50.600 because my platform is a bit different, like I'm known 1:06:50.640 --> 1:06:53.760 as a hunter, you know, it comes along a lot 1:06:53.800 --> 1:06:58.760 more acceptable on my end. And where is if you 1:06:58.760 --> 1:07:00.960 don't have the bigger picture like some of their audience. 1:07:01.080 --> 1:07:03.320 And I think their audience does have the bigger picture now, 1:07:03.360 --> 1:07:06.520 but if you don't have the bigger picture, and then 1:07:06.560 --> 1:07:09.720 it's just like that photo with the animal there and 1:07:09.720 --> 1:07:12.080 you're standing behind it smiling whatever. That is. A bad 1:07:12.120 --> 1:07:15.440 image is a bad image. Put that in a newspaper 1:07:15.520 --> 1:07:18.240 somewhere bad image. Put that in a hunting magazine or 1:07:18.280 --> 1:07:20.840 outdoor magazine, then it's fine. There might be some people 1:07:20.840 --> 1:07:25.680 that don't agree with it, but I've built my audience 1:07:25.720 --> 1:07:29.840 now that and there's no shock horror, and I don't 1:07:29.880 --> 1:07:32.240 mean it in that sense, but sometimes I'll just put 1:07:32.880 --> 1:07:35.080 sort of a bloody photo up like this is normal, 1:07:35.160 --> 1:07:37.400 this is natural, And I don't get any negative reaction 1:07:37.440 --> 1:07:40.840 because I've built them. They know everything else that's involved 1:07:40.840 --> 1:07:43.280 in it. They're not wondering why you're doing. Yeah, that's 1:07:43.320 --> 1:07:46.320 just not it, you know. And and because I'll say 1:07:46.320 --> 1:07:48.520 it now, like if I've put in that much effort 1:07:48.680 --> 1:07:52.680 and I get something killed, then I usually am happy. 1:07:52.680 --> 1:07:55.600 I usually am smiling, you know. And it's not like 1:07:55.760 --> 1:07:59.240 it's not the killed just sucker. It's not that smile. 1:07:59.760 --> 1:08:02.800 It's not that I'm like that was a good quick death. 1:08:02.960 --> 1:08:06.720 Putting a lot of effort, it's finally paid off and happy. 1:08:06.920 --> 1:08:09.960 But even I've tried to not do the grip and 1:08:10.000 --> 1:08:13.440 green anymore, you know, and not because of what you've done, 1:08:13.840 --> 1:08:16.160 just because I start thinking about the image, like, yeah, 1:08:16.160 --> 1:08:18.040 I am happy, but I don't have to do that. 1:08:18.640 --> 1:08:21.559 You know. I'll still hold the animal and stuff like that. 1:08:22.240 --> 1:08:25.240 But you show everything girls as well, you know, cutting 1:08:25.280 --> 1:08:27.800 up the meat. That's all I've ever said. I mean, 1:08:27.840 --> 1:08:30.640 we have a from our line. I trip this, you know, 1:08:31.040 --> 1:08:34.920 six months ago or whatever. Less than that. Um, we've 1:08:34.960 --> 1:08:38.559 got a thread going, the text thread. Whereas me and 1:08:38.600 --> 1:08:40.439 all the people we've mentioned and all the people are 1:08:40.479 --> 1:08:43.479 on that hunt, and we when were killing anim we 1:08:43.560 --> 1:08:46.479 send everybody a photo. We all understand on that text 1:08:46.520 --> 1:08:49.400 thread what that is. Yeah, we have a total perspective 1:08:49.520 --> 1:08:52.200 of that. All of us are content. We've all hunting together, 1:08:52.280 --> 1:08:54.599 we all know what we're all about. And but so 1:08:54.680 --> 1:08:57.840 we can share those photos and there's no loss of perspective, 1:08:57.840 --> 1:09:00.519 there's no context that we need. We know what's going on. 1:09:00.560 --> 1:09:04.240 We're excited for each other. Outside of that, it's a 1:09:04.240 --> 1:09:07.320 little sketchy, definitely, it's a little and you've you've seen that. 1:09:07.400 --> 1:09:11.080 I've seen it, We've all seen it, and um, I 1:09:11.120 --> 1:09:13.439 think I just came out and said it in a 1:09:13.479 --> 1:09:16.000 way that probably early on was a little bit touchy 1:09:16.040 --> 1:09:18.639 for some people. But I I truly do feel that 1:09:19.120 --> 1:09:21.679 the only conversation that matters is how do we better 1:09:21.760 --> 1:09:25.400 represent the thing that we do? And even if like 1:09:25.479 --> 1:09:28.639 guys like you and others who do represent it very well, 1:09:28.880 --> 1:09:30.680 how do we still do it better? How do we 1:09:30.840 --> 1:09:33.080 lead the charge? How do we say, like, here's a 1:09:33.160 --> 1:09:35.439 question we ought to ask, this is I don't know 1:09:35.479 --> 1:09:37.560 how to do it. I'm not telling everybody you have 1:09:37.600 --> 1:09:38.760 to do it the same way, but here's a question 1:09:38.840 --> 1:09:41.479 we want to be thinking about. You know, here's something 1:09:41.479 --> 1:09:48.519 that bothers me. Um, and that's that's a better promotion. Yeah, 1:09:48.560 --> 1:09:50.479 I mean there's something that is something you see right 1:09:50.479 --> 1:09:52.559 now that bothers you in our community, something that you 1:09:53.800 --> 1:09:55.679 I'm I might even start a segment like the ship 1:09:55.720 --> 1:09:57.800 bothers Mean, that's the same where we just talked about 1:09:58.320 --> 1:10:00.560 what what's something that you see? The thing one up I. 1:10:02.040 --> 1:10:04.720 It's like the whole YETI NR a thing. It's like 1:10:04.800 --> 1:10:08.720 we're constantly looking for not me, some people, and it 1:10:08.720 --> 1:10:12.080 seems like a good population of the outdoor industry is 1:10:12.120 --> 1:10:15.439 constantly looking for something to be angry about, something to 1:10:15.479 --> 1:10:19.320 constantly jump on the bandwagon about, and the whole like 1:10:19.320 --> 1:10:21.720 whether I was sponsored by YETI or not, that one 1:10:21.800 --> 1:10:24.200 really bothered me because I was like, here we are 1:10:24.240 --> 1:10:26.680 with an outdoor company that puts so much into the 1:10:26.720 --> 1:10:29.360 outdoors and what we do, and we're trying to kick 1:10:29.439 --> 1:10:33.599 them out to let someone in that possibly won't put 1:10:33.640 --> 1:10:36.720 that money into the outdoor industry, you know. And it's 1:10:36.800 --> 1:10:42.000 like it just seemed like a bitch fest for social media, 1:10:42.080 --> 1:10:43.680 that's what it was. And we're constantly looking for one 1:10:43.720 --> 1:10:45.640 I missed the one on the whole night thing or 1:10:45.640 --> 1:10:48.120 whatever it was, but then there was that one, and 1:10:48.160 --> 1:10:51.880 like it's like any day someone else could be next, 1:10:52.479 --> 1:10:54.720 you know, I just spent time like there was the 1:10:54.720 --> 1:10:57.200 whole under arm and one. It's like there's constantly where 1:10:57.400 --> 1:11:01.600 there's constantly something coming up. And who trashes this the 1:11:01.680 --> 1:11:06.200 most are ourselves hunters, Like we're the ones to air 1:11:06.280 --> 1:11:09.280 our dirty laundry the most, you know, Like these aunties 1:11:09.360 --> 1:11:11.679 must be on the sideline just rubbing their hands together, 1:11:11.760 --> 1:11:16.600 going brilliant. Look at them, look at them with you know, 1:11:16.640 --> 1:11:19.599 and it's like and I actually wrote a post and 1:11:19.640 --> 1:11:21.880 I was like, this isn't something that we have to 1:11:21.920 --> 1:11:24.559 lose friends over or turn against each other or anything 1:11:24.600 --> 1:11:27.400 like that. You know, Like let's run it course on 1:11:27.400 --> 1:11:29.840 its own without us adding as much trash to it 1:11:29.920 --> 1:11:32.840 as we can, you know and blowing up coolers or 1:11:33.080 --> 1:11:34.840 or the other end hating on the n r A, 1:11:35.280 --> 1:11:36.960 you know or whatever. It's like, we don't have to 1:11:37.000 --> 1:11:39.920 do that. Like all we're doing is breeding more hate 1:11:40.000 --> 1:11:43.160 within ourselves. That's not healthy. That's one thing that I 1:11:43.240 --> 1:11:46.599 learned growing up out of all that, Like you'll breed 1:11:46.880 --> 1:11:49.559 your own hate, you'll breed your own misery within yourself 1:11:49.600 --> 1:11:52.880 with negativity and stuff like that, Like anyone talking shoot 1:11:52.880 --> 1:11:56.040 about me at the moment, Like you're just hurting yourself. 1:11:56.080 --> 1:11:59.120 You just reckon your own mental illness, you know, Like 1:11:59.680 --> 1:12:02.120 why people caught up in my ship? Like why are 1:12:02.120 --> 1:12:04.880 you caught up in anyone's ship? Like, well, it's in 1:12:04.880 --> 1:12:08.080 Our industry is a small world, right, And I think 1:12:08.160 --> 1:12:11.559 you and I both work hard to try to be 1:12:11.640 --> 1:12:16.160 respected by our peers and like really try hard to 1:12:16.200 --> 1:12:19.880 be understanding of what everybody's thinking, and you know, try 1:12:19.960 --> 1:12:22.880 to do the right thing. You're never like you're just 1:12:22.920 --> 1:12:27.599 never going to get everybody, especially when I realized that too. 1:12:27.640 --> 1:12:30.120 That's why I'm always say, like I don't want everyone 1:12:30.200 --> 1:12:33.160 to get into hunting, but if I can build some 1:12:35.280 --> 1:12:38.880 thought and understanding from people that don't hunt towards the 1:12:38.960 --> 1:12:41.240 hunting community, not me, I'm happy doing what I do. 1:12:41.360 --> 1:12:42.920 I don't care where if you hate at love it. 1:12:43.720 --> 1:12:48.160 But if that helps the overall outdoor industry, the hunting community, 1:12:48.280 --> 1:12:51.400 that there is understanding, and like, that's Joe Rogan has 1:12:51.400 --> 1:12:54.960 done that better than anyone ever in the history of mankind, 1:12:55.800 --> 1:12:58.800 unless there was some massive civilization before we come that 1:12:58.960 --> 1:13:01.160 we don't know about. And there was like a Joe 1:13:01.240 --> 1:13:08.080 broken broken something. But for Joe too to spread the 1:13:08.120 --> 1:13:11.200 word how he has with his audience is a massive 1:13:11.360 --> 1:13:13.840 like there's a massive understanding there, you know, whether they 1:13:13.920 --> 1:13:16.760 hunt or not, because some people can't hunt, like they 1:13:16.800 --> 1:13:18.960 live in the city and they've got other things happening 1:13:19.040 --> 1:13:22.160 and they've got no desire to or whatever it might be. 1:13:22.200 --> 1:13:24.640 But at least there's understanding from those people that they 1:13:24.680 --> 1:13:27.479 when they see a hunting image, you know that that 1:13:27.720 --> 1:13:30.360 there's just not hate streaming out of them. You know 1:13:30.400 --> 1:13:33.680 that the extreme anties will never get them who wants to. 1:13:33.800 --> 1:13:36.200 And it's and I think we sort of need extreme 1:13:36.280 --> 1:13:41.080 anties as well because they keep things in check as well. Um, 1:13:41.120 --> 1:13:43.679 and it's so complicated, you know, there's no one answer, 1:13:43.720 --> 1:13:47.360 there's no one it's hunting is so complicated. Yeah. I 1:13:47.439 --> 1:13:50.200 always say that we've picked this very complex thing to do, 1:13:50.880 --> 1:13:54.120 very complex. This isn't this is not a roller coaster, 1:13:54.120 --> 1:13:55.960 And don't get on and have fun and get off 1:13:55.960 --> 1:13:58.400 with no effect on the world. Yeah, definitely, you get 1:13:58.439 --> 1:14:01.559 on and you get and you have your fun, and 1:14:01.640 --> 1:14:03.920 you know, Steve and I, Ronelle and I always say you, 1:14:04.120 --> 1:14:05.880 he says, you wouldn't do it if it wasn't fun. 1:14:06.960 --> 1:14:08.960 And you have your fun, you have your adventure, and 1:14:09.000 --> 1:14:11.280 at the end of the day something dis dead, like 1:14:11.360 --> 1:14:13.240 some fucking thing that used to be on the earth 1:14:13.280 --> 1:14:17.800 that you didn't put there now is gone. And the 1:14:17.880 --> 1:14:20.280 virtuous thing about what we do is that we had 1:14:20.320 --> 1:14:22.640 a hand in doing it and we're aware of it 1:14:22.840 --> 1:14:26.960 when so many folks are unaware of their effect. But yeah, 1:14:26.960 --> 1:14:29.840 I mean I think we we certainly. I think we 1:14:29.880 --> 1:14:33.719 certainly as a community. I've crested that wave. Like people 1:14:33.840 --> 1:14:38.080 get that, we get it, get that there that we're 1:14:38.120 --> 1:14:40.640 seeking some level of virtue and what we do, like 1:14:40.680 --> 1:14:43.040 we understand that we're killing ship and we're not just 1:14:43.080 --> 1:14:46.920 flipping like a fucking loose see you, I feel like 1:14:47.000 --> 1:14:49.920 hunting has made me an animal lover and and said 1:14:49.960 --> 1:14:52.120 that can be confusing to some people, like you love 1:14:52.200 --> 1:14:55.200 you say you love animals, but you hunt them. And 1:14:55.320 --> 1:14:58.559 because Kim's exactly the same, Kim like loves animals, like 1:14:58.800 --> 1:15:01.760 extremely loves animal and I do as well. But I 1:15:01.800 --> 1:15:04.760 also know where meat comes from, you know, And I 1:15:04.840 --> 1:15:07.320 want meat in my life. Like it sounds silly, but 1:15:07.360 --> 1:15:09.280 I want meat in my life. I want to eat meat. 1:15:09.880 --> 1:15:11.080 And if I'm going to do that, I want to 1:15:11.120 --> 1:15:12.720 go out and get it myself. And I want to 1:15:12.760 --> 1:15:15.720 realize what that animal was and I want to be 1:15:16.320 --> 1:15:19.240 I want my hands, you know, or my wife's hands 1:15:19.280 --> 1:15:22.120 to be the ones that harvests that meat, that cut 1:15:22.160 --> 1:15:24.800 that meat, that take that meat, you know. And like, 1:15:25.840 --> 1:15:29.000 especially with filming and everything like that these days, you know, 1:15:29.040 --> 1:15:32.559 I just feel like when something's filmed, I'm like, yeah, 1:15:32.880 --> 1:15:36.120 just chill out. I want my time now with the animal. 1:15:36.320 --> 1:15:38.320 Like I want to take it in that I've done this, 1:15:38.479 --> 1:15:41.559 I've killed this and and let's not take it in 1:15:42.439 --> 1:15:44.759 and realize you've done this is in ne bad person, 1:15:45.040 --> 1:15:47.280 Like I completely understand it. That's fine, you know, and 1:15:47.320 --> 1:15:50.000 that's natural. Like natural is a very good word for that. 1:15:50.000 --> 1:15:53.240 That's natural human killing an animal to take its meat 1:15:53.439 --> 1:15:56.960 very natural. And to be at that point and sort 1:15:56.960 --> 1:15:59.040 of basking it in a sense, you know, of all 1:15:59.080 --> 1:16:03.400 the realization and that's actually a beautiful moment. You know, 1:16:03.439 --> 1:16:07.160 it's not pretty awesome, it is. It's so hard to 1:16:08.000 --> 1:16:10.880 explain because it is such a complex thing. It's so 1:16:10.920 --> 1:16:16.599 hard to explain. But there's there's some feeling that comes 1:16:16.640 --> 1:16:20.360 with that that you can't get from anything. Girls, where's 1:16:20.360 --> 1:16:23.160 this thing at in ten or fifteen years? Where's where's 1:16:23.160 --> 1:16:25.360 this thing at? For your kids? What do you what 1:16:25.400 --> 1:16:27.400 do you think they're going to go through? Because I 1:16:27.439 --> 1:16:32.759 think we just had them on. I think they're awesome. 1:16:33.880 --> 1:16:35.880 Like where I think about this with my son a lot, 1:16:36.000 --> 1:16:37.639 Like where is this going to be for them when 1:16:37.680 --> 1:16:40.320 they're at a formative age? What will hunting look like 1:16:40.400 --> 1:16:42.559 for them? What environment? What are they going to be in? 1:16:43.400 --> 1:16:46.599 I feel like I will be because we've thought about 1:16:46.600 --> 1:16:51.200 going off the grid a lot for before, even all 1:16:51.240 --> 1:16:53.479 the social media because this sort of blew up. I 1:16:53.520 --> 1:16:56.040 never really asked for this sort of following or anything. 1:16:56.720 --> 1:16:59.160 I never ever thought that I'd get it. You know, 1:16:59.240 --> 1:17:01.080 I never wanted it. You know, it's just I just 1:17:01.120 --> 1:17:03.200 wanted to promote hunting, even if that was only four 1:17:03.280 --> 1:17:06.920 friends and some families seeing it, and for the blob 1:17:06.960 --> 1:17:09.840 because I'm actually very usually a private person. I don't 1:17:09.840 --> 1:17:12.519 like crowds, like like most of my hunting solo as 1:17:12.520 --> 1:17:16.679 you've seen, and to have now all these other people 1:17:16.720 --> 1:17:19.200 that sort of get a voice or look into my life, 1:17:20.080 --> 1:17:22.200 it's not something that I ever wanted, so and me 1:17:22.240 --> 1:17:24.080 and Kim have always been like that, like we'd love 1:17:24.120 --> 1:17:26.639 to live up the grid, grow our own vegetables, fruit, 1:17:26.720 --> 1:17:29.920 harvest their own meat, still have domestic stock. It wouldn't 1:17:29.920 --> 1:17:32.080 be all wild meat, like we'd have chickens and pigs 1:17:32.160 --> 1:17:34.599 and things like that as well, but lots of wild 1:17:34.640 --> 1:17:39.559 harvests and just really live off the grid, like our 1:17:39.560 --> 1:17:42.439 own water, our own energy, you know, whether it's soul 1:17:42.600 --> 1:17:46.680 or a turbine. And always felt like time moved a 1:17:46.720 --> 1:17:50.439 lot slower when you're because it does when you're out 1:17:50.439 --> 1:17:56.040 in the country, time moves a lot slower. Time seems better, 1:17:56.600 --> 1:17:59.280 everything seems more valuable. You know, you don't get this 1:17:59.360 --> 1:18:01.439 is a rat ray still, Like I might go off 1:18:01.479 --> 1:18:03.439 the grid every now and then, like when I go 1:18:03.600 --> 1:18:07.519 BC moose hunting or back country in Montana or northern 1:18:07.600 --> 1:18:10.880 territory like arnem Land, and like that is off the grid, 1:18:10.920 --> 1:18:12.920 But then you come back into a bigger rat race 1:18:12.920 --> 1:18:16.360 than anything, because you know, emails, bills, things like that 1:18:16.360 --> 1:18:20.240 that have gone unchecked in that time, and I don't 1:18:20.439 --> 1:18:23.800 it's not the real quality of life. It is life 1:18:23.800 --> 1:18:27.519 streaking awesome. Yeah, get me wrong, but I'm just saying 1:18:27.520 --> 1:18:29.439 it could be better. You know, and that's more suited 1:18:29.439 --> 1:18:32.240 to me, especially with my upbringing, like I've cut family 1:18:32.240 --> 1:18:34.759 out of my life, like my own father, my own blood, 1:18:34.800 --> 1:18:37.000 I've cut him out of my life. So it's hard 1:18:37.040 --> 1:18:39.679 to let strangers in just on that very fact alone. 1:18:40.680 --> 1:18:44.160 Um So I don't know. My kids might live off 1:18:44.200 --> 1:18:47.160 the grid. That might never happen. I don't, you know, 1:18:47.200 --> 1:18:49.880 I don't know. But hunting wise, if I stayed on 1:18:49.920 --> 1:18:53.000 the direction I'm going now for my kids, I don't 1:18:53.000 --> 1:18:55.439 know that maybe they don't want to be hunters right now. 1:18:55.479 --> 1:18:58.040 They do. They love the idea, they love the country, 1:18:58.080 --> 1:19:00.120 they love going up to you know, we own I 1:19:00.200 --> 1:19:03.960 ag read up in the mountains at home. I love horses, 1:19:04.200 --> 1:19:09.400 I love eating mate, I love chase and catching killing anything. 1:19:09.479 --> 1:19:11.880 That's what kids love to do. Yeah, I mean it'll 1:19:11.920 --> 1:19:13.599 be a journey for them like everybody else. I mean, 1:19:13.640 --> 1:19:15.600 they might fall out of it and fall back into it, 1:19:15.640 --> 1:19:17.519 and they may it may not be cool with their 1:19:17.560 --> 1:19:21.000 friends when they're be able to influence when they're teenagers here, 1:19:21.160 --> 1:19:22.920 you know, and then later on in life be like 1:19:23.240 --> 1:19:24.720 what I was, I think, and I stoually get back 1:19:24.760 --> 1:19:27.800 into this. I should find this thing again. But it's 1:19:27.880 --> 1:19:31.160 certainly going to be challenged more than you were coming up. 1:19:31.160 --> 1:19:33.400 And I was because I you know, I'm Ship thirty 1:19:33.439 --> 1:19:37.040 two and you're a little you know in this country. 1:19:37.080 --> 1:19:41.320 Ship on my generation, probably our generations, first generation that 1:19:41.520 --> 1:19:46.479 couldn't just be hunters anymore. We had to be at 1:19:46.520 --> 1:19:51.679 some level messengers for our thing. And that's when society 1:19:51.760 --> 1:19:56.120 kind of became. It became this negative thing, you know, 1:19:56.160 --> 1:19:58.479 almost like an A R fifteens and other things that 1:19:58.479 --> 1:20:02.000 have been demonized or have and misunderstood. And America is 1:20:02.040 --> 1:20:05.920 actually coming from Australia to America. America's actually got a 1:20:06.080 --> 1:20:08.960 much greater population that's understanding of hunting, even if they 1:20:08.960 --> 1:20:11.120 don't because they've got such a big population of hunters 1:20:11.240 --> 1:20:14.600 and it's like advertised everywhere during the season. In Australia, 1:20:14.640 --> 1:20:17.479 it's not it's like being kept on the download. You know. 1:20:17.520 --> 1:20:22.240 There's so much more misunderstanding towards hunting in Australia and 1:20:22.240 --> 1:20:24.840 and just no knowledge that it even happens at all. 1:20:25.439 --> 1:20:28.360 But it's tough. Australia virtually has zero public lands to 1:20:28.439 --> 1:20:30.960 hunt them as well, so it's like private you've gotta 1:20:31.000 --> 1:20:33.679 get private mission. A little bit of privately the publicly, 1:20:33.720 --> 1:20:35.920 and it has come on boards from what I've heard, 1:20:36.200 --> 1:20:38.439 really not great for hunting. It's just it's not the 1:20:38.479 --> 1:20:42.040 same culture. You know, even though Australia was like you know, 1:20:43.080 --> 1:20:45.960 all convicts basically and like you know, they would have 1:20:46.000 --> 1:20:49.320 to hunt for food and eating rabbit and stuff like that. Yeah. 1:20:49.320 --> 1:20:51.439 I mean, we just got back from Hawaii. I mean 1:20:51.479 --> 1:20:55.120 Hawaii is similar place. I mean, the as it explained 1:20:55.120 --> 1:21:00.000 to me, like the Native Hawaiians feel some ownership of lands. 1:21:00.200 --> 1:21:03.000 So if you have a private ranch and you say 1:21:03.000 --> 1:21:06.719 don't come in, they're coming in. Yeah. And so poaching 1:21:06.880 --> 1:21:10.760 isn't it does not the same feeling cause it is here. Yeah, 1:21:10.760 --> 1:21:15.320 And so each scenario has its own value systems, in 1:21:15.360 --> 1:21:19.160 its own way of doing things. And we certainly are lucky. 1:21:19.720 --> 1:21:22.040 I think the fourteen or fifteen or how many million 1:21:22.160 --> 1:21:26.200 hunters that are in this country are lucky people. Definitely. 1:21:26.600 --> 1:21:29.479 It's amazing. I said that Kim Kim hiked right up 1:21:29.479 --> 1:21:33.920 into the back country in Montana with me, just you know, 1:21:34.040 --> 1:21:38.120 three or four days ago, and through public lands the 1:21:38.160 --> 1:21:40.840 whole time, and we never seen another person, which was 1:21:40.880 --> 1:21:44.439 really cool. And I stopped for a second and I'm 1:21:44.479 --> 1:21:47.960 like do you realize how good this is? Like we 1:21:48.000 --> 1:21:51.559 didn't have to, you know, harass a farmer, you know, 1:21:52.400 --> 1:21:54.320 to try and get permission. We didn't have to like 1:21:54.600 --> 1:21:57.400 take h mccarton the beer and say, you know, we'd 1:21:57.479 --> 1:21:59.960 love you know, we'd love to be able to hunt here. 1:22:00.040 --> 1:22:01.960 You know, what's the chances and you go for all 1:22:01.960 --> 1:22:03.760 the effort and drive and he's like, no, we don't 1:22:03.840 --> 1:22:06.360 let anyone on. We were actually just being able to 1:22:06.360 --> 1:22:10.080 buy a tag, look up on on x maps where 1:22:10.120 --> 1:22:13.000 the public land was that we could run in and 1:22:13.280 --> 1:22:15.680 hike in there. And I'm like, every bit of that 1:22:15.760 --> 1:22:17.479 view that you can see right now, we can hunt 1:22:17.520 --> 1:22:20.040 any of that, Like there's a million acres back here, 1:22:20.520 --> 1:22:24.599 we can go and hunt any of that. Like the thing, 1:22:25.120 --> 1:22:28.439 the scary thing is publicly and getting taken off us, 1:22:28.479 --> 1:22:31.080 even if it's slowly by slowly. That's why everyone has 1:22:31.120 --> 1:22:33.400 to fight so hard for it, because coming from someone 1:22:33.439 --> 1:22:35.599 that you know, it doesn't have publicly and the hung 1:22:35.680 --> 1:22:40.719 on back home. Basically that's absolutely amazing. No, I've said 1:22:40.720 --> 1:22:43.040 it many times, we continue to say it. Like waking 1:22:43.120 --> 1:22:46.599 up in the morning in Montana, there's a different feeling 1:22:47.040 --> 1:22:49.080 I live in Texas. I lived in Illinois, I lived. 1:22:49.160 --> 1:22:51.200 I grew up hunting publicly and not even really knowing 1:22:51.240 --> 1:22:54.880 what it was. But in my twenties, I've lived in 1:22:54.960 --> 1:22:58.400 two places where there wasn't ship and when there was 1:22:58.479 --> 1:23:00.880 it was kind of depressing. You go on small tracks 1:23:01.040 --> 1:23:03.519 land with a lot of hunters, not a lot of game, 1:23:03.600 --> 1:23:06.160 and a lot of bullshit. Yeah, and so you public 1:23:06.200 --> 1:23:10.640 lands becomes this this degradated piece of hunting property, and 1:23:10.680 --> 1:23:13.640 the private lands become this these paradise is for for 1:23:13.760 --> 1:23:16.439 game and for hunters and stuff like that. So that's 1:23:16.520 --> 1:23:20.080 I mean, it's not elitist because because homesteading and land 1:23:20.120 --> 1:23:22.240 ownership is that's what our world does, and when we stay, 1:23:22.479 --> 1:23:24.040 we stake our ground and that's what that's what you 1:23:24.040 --> 1:23:27.840 and I want to do. Um. But at the same time, 1:23:29.120 --> 1:23:33.400 the concept of wilderness that shared is you need that 1:23:33.479 --> 1:23:36.720 public land because one thing, like back in Australia and 1:23:36.760 --> 1:23:39.240 I get bombarded with questions like where can I go, 1:23:39.479 --> 1:23:42.639 how should I get private access? I can't get private access, 1:23:42.720 --> 1:23:46.160 and the feeling of wanting to hunt like it's almost spiritual. 1:23:46.439 --> 1:23:50.439 It is spiritual. It's nearly like someone saying you can't 1:23:50.439 --> 1:23:54.080 practice your religion right and so that's what's happening, you know, 1:23:54.320 --> 1:23:55.880 you know that happens in a lot of countries and 1:23:55.880 --> 1:23:58.240 stuff like that. In Australia was one of them. He's 1:23:58.280 --> 1:24:01.400 one of them. Where there's eyes that are dying to 1:24:01.439 --> 1:24:04.599 go hunting, their destined to go hunting, they can't get 1:24:04.640 --> 1:24:08.160 access to somewhere like that is a horrible, horrible feeling. 1:24:08.840 --> 1:24:13.120 And in America to be able to just be like, I'll, 1:24:13.479 --> 1:24:15.599 you know, go and buy that over the counter tag general. 1:24:15.800 --> 1:24:18.080 You know, here's all this area that I can go 1:24:18.560 --> 1:24:21.080 even if there's no game, right Like we all want 1:24:21.080 --> 1:24:23.600 to find game, but even if there's no game, you 1:24:23.640 --> 1:24:26.160 get to go out and go hiking. And but you're 1:24:26.200 --> 1:24:27.680 gonna be the one to find out if there is 1:24:29.000 --> 1:24:31.720 nobody's gonna go over there, let me let me check 1:24:31.720 --> 1:24:34.760 it out, Let me check it. And then one thing 1:24:34.800 --> 1:24:38.000 I've seen a lot of hate for lately is guys 1:24:38.080 --> 1:24:41.439 that hunt ranches, private ranches, you know, like sort of 1:24:41.479 --> 1:24:45.920 belittling them, and you know, hunting these elite spots, you know, 1:24:45.960 --> 1:24:49.960 and and uh, Joe's name come up a couple of 1:24:50.000 --> 1:24:53.120 times because he hunted wherever he hunts in ce A 1:24:54.000 --> 1:24:58.240 And I'm like, you've got to think that Joe's probably 1:24:58.280 --> 1:25:00.479 got a lot of money, but not a at a time. 1:25:00.960 --> 1:25:03.200 Why wouldn't you go and do that? And that's got 1:25:03.240 --> 1:25:05.360 a lot of time. I can spend time public land, 1:25:05.439 --> 1:25:08.240 And I just what did I do last year? Twenty 1:25:08.320 --> 1:25:11.559 seven days? And I killed a bull on day seven? Alright, 1:25:11.920 --> 1:25:14.800 Sometimes that's what public land can be like. So if 1:25:14.840 --> 1:25:17.280 you didn't have the time but the money, why wouldn't 1:25:17.320 --> 1:25:19.000 you go and pay a ranch to go and hunt 1:25:19.080 --> 1:25:21.880 on his place? That doesn't get hunted the death and 1:25:21.920 --> 1:25:25.040 you're gonna get onto game, you know, and there's still 1:25:25.040 --> 1:25:28.240 no guarantee. Yeah there's still hunting. But yeah, I mean 1:25:28.720 --> 1:25:31.360 we're talking about this that I run into this subject 1:25:31.520 --> 1:25:33.479 way more than any other, and it pisses me off. 1:25:33.880 --> 1:25:36.320 Is starting to get old, and I haven't been guilty 1:25:36.320 --> 1:25:38.080 of it before, Like what was that guy? Always want 1:25:38.120 --> 1:25:41.360 to put private land and talking ship? And recently I realized, 1:25:41.400 --> 1:25:44.439 like what an a hole I was for thinking that 1:25:44.640 --> 1:25:47.439 or put down somebody like come on, man, these are 1:25:47.479 --> 1:25:51.360 people people like Joe Rogan or campaign's campaigns especially let's 1:25:51.400 --> 1:25:53.639 take Camp for for example, because people love to talk 1:25:53.680 --> 1:25:56.200 about that guy and I do too, because I think 1:25:56.200 --> 1:25:59.800 he's a great human being. Like the outside of his 1:26:00.000 --> 1:26:01.360 you know, I've spent time with him. You spend time 1:26:01.400 --> 1:26:05.040 with him outside of his Instagram. You erase that from 1:26:05.080 --> 1:26:08.800 the earth, and that's a good outstanding, good fellows and 1:26:08.880 --> 1:26:11.840 so beautiful. Ta Yeah, nice teeth, very white. White is 1:26:11.880 --> 1:26:15.679 your shirt? It's kind of do you think they're real? Yeah, 1:26:15.800 --> 1:26:20.120 they're they're real. There's no need to um. But here's Cam, right, 1:26:20.120 --> 1:26:23.040 So Cam goes out. He he came up in this 1:26:23.120 --> 1:26:26.960 industry hunting d I Y I mean, wrote books. He 1:26:27.000 --> 1:26:28.799 was the d I Y hunting guy, wrote for Eastman's 1:26:28.840 --> 1:26:32.400 Hunting Journal. This is that. That was Cam. A Cube 1:26:32.400 --> 1:26:34.519 wrote a song about him. Yeah, it's like I started 1:26:34.520 --> 1:26:36.880 these gangs to ship. This is the motherfucking thanks. I 1:26:36.920 --> 1:26:44.559 get no money, no problems. Yeah by singing Cam's Yeah, 1:26:44.920 --> 1:26:49.600 here's an omeime earned it and done his time. He 1:26:49.640 --> 1:26:52.200 works at nine to five. He loves to kill big elk. 1:26:52.360 --> 1:26:54.439 That's what he likes to do. And he goes on 1:26:54.439 --> 1:26:58.120 on place like the Desiret or other ranches and he 1:26:58.240 --> 1:27:00.840 does that and he promotes hunting. He promos his love 1:27:00.920 --> 1:27:03.160 for it, and that's what he does. And if you 1:27:03.280 --> 1:27:08.479 have a problem with that you have a problem and 1:27:08.520 --> 1:27:10.880 if you can't respect that, this guy is like some 1:27:10.960 --> 1:27:13.920 way graduated to be able to do that. He's earned 1:27:13.960 --> 1:27:17.000 his keep to be able to do that. I'm not 1:27:17.040 --> 1:27:18.920 sure what I can do for you. Yeah, the thing 1:27:19.080 --> 1:27:21.400 is it can didn't get the opportunity to hunt one 1:27:21.439 --> 1:27:23.800 of those ranches. He just going through the public thing. 1:27:25.560 --> 1:27:28.120 He's refined as hunting to the point where, just like Joe, 1:27:28.880 --> 1:27:31.439 they now have they have limited time. They know what 1:27:31.479 --> 1:27:33.559 they like to do, They define what they want to do. 1:27:33.600 --> 1:27:35.280 They have the money and the time and the and 1:27:35.320 --> 1:27:37.360 the friends to help them do the things they want 1:27:37.360 --> 1:27:40.120 to do, and that's what they do. Is that what 1:27:40.600 --> 1:27:42.840 Ronnella does or I do, or you do know, but 1:27:42.880 --> 1:27:46.800 it ain't wrong, is not wrong. I've been guilty. I'm 1:27:46.840 --> 1:27:49.280 sitting here and I have been guilty of criticizing people 1:27:49.280 --> 1:27:52.840 for that in the past, and very recently I realized 1:27:52.880 --> 1:27:55.120 that I was wrong, and that is wrong. I did 1:27:55.160 --> 1:27:58.639 the opposite because I would be like the first time 1:27:58.680 --> 1:28:03.280 I hunted North America was New Mexico, and I was like, 1:28:03.360 --> 1:28:05.360 I'll probably only do this once. I want to do 1:28:05.400 --> 1:28:09.839 it right, And I bought a landowner attack and hunted 1:28:10.000 --> 1:28:13.840 like Unit twelve in New Mexico and seen good balls 1:28:13.920 --> 1:28:17.120 every day and was like holding out for a free 1:28:17.160 --> 1:28:19.559 fifty ball end up killing like a big free fifty 1:28:19.600 --> 1:28:22.800 on like day seven or eight or something. Heaps of 1:28:22.840 --> 1:28:25.879 effort went in. It was a hunt of a lifetime. 1:28:25.960 --> 1:28:28.200 Like I still recall that hunt as one of the 1:28:28.200 --> 1:28:32.519 best hunts that I've ever been on. And then I 1:28:32.560 --> 1:28:35.880 went the opposite because I was like then I didn't 1:28:35.880 --> 1:28:38.760 have as much money and free finance to do sort 1:28:38.800 --> 1:28:41.799 of stuff like that, and I realized that ship America 1:28:41.880 --> 1:28:44.479 is just to fly away North American. I realized that 1:28:44.520 --> 1:28:46.320 I love the country and the people here in the 1:28:46.360 --> 1:28:50.040 game and stuff like that. And like I've hunted elk 1:28:50.120 --> 1:28:52.400 every single year since. And now that I've got that 1:28:52.479 --> 1:28:55.280 time because of my business, you know, my business is 1:28:55.320 --> 1:28:59.400 turning over and paying bills. Really understand, No, that's right. 1:28:59.439 --> 1:29:02.280 I just live for a good tag every year. But 1:29:02.360 --> 1:29:03.600 now that I've got the time and I can come 1:29:03.640 --> 1:29:05.519 to America for the whole of it, like the whole 1:29:05.560 --> 1:29:08.240 of the season or like five six months or whatever 1:29:08.280 --> 1:29:11.120 it is, now I realize I can spend the time 1:29:11.200 --> 1:29:14.240 going back into the back country and the remote romance, 1:29:14.320 --> 1:29:16.679 so that I love doing that. But even this trip, 1:29:16.720 --> 1:29:19.080 because the hunting has been so tough, there's been times 1:29:19.080 --> 1:29:22.000 where I'm like, shit, I wish I just took Kim 1:29:22.040 --> 1:29:26.360 to like a private, private ranch because she's never she 1:29:26.680 --> 1:29:29.160 hasn't had the opportunity to even act on a stalk 1:29:29.240 --> 1:29:32.040 or something on a bull this whole time, and she's 1:29:32.040 --> 1:29:35.120 been busting asked, like she's been going harder than any 1:29:35.160 --> 1:29:38.160 guys that I know, like hunting and wanting it so bad. 1:29:38.200 --> 1:29:40.320 There was I did a video where she's like crying, 1:29:40.920 --> 1:29:43.640 she wants it that bad and it's not something they 1:29:43.640 --> 1:29:47.200 can just go and get. You got to chase it 1:29:47.320 --> 1:29:50.519 so hard and it still mightn't even happen. And has 1:29:50.520 --> 1:29:52.120 been times when I'm like, shout, I just wish I 1:29:52.160 --> 1:29:54.719 went to a ranch, you know, And I'm not talking 1:29:55.200 --> 1:29:58.120 in Australia and New Zealand they called high fence. Is 1:29:58.160 --> 1:30:00.600 what a ranch is? Like close range That's not what 1:30:00.640 --> 1:30:04.040 I'm talking about. That's never on the cards. But a 1:30:04.200 --> 1:30:07.120 ranch is in some where private doesn't get freshed by 1:30:07.240 --> 1:30:09.439 you know, the public and stuff like that. It's something 1:30:09.439 --> 1:30:13.000 a bit more elite. But then it's like, no, I've 1:30:13.000 --> 1:30:16.160 got time is next year. But it's it's exactly what 1:30:16.200 --> 1:30:19.360 you said. If I was still running my business and 1:30:19.439 --> 1:30:22.160 I had like a week, two weeks or whatever after 1:30:22.240 --> 1:30:24.400 come over here and get a bull killed, I wouldn't 1:30:24.400 --> 1:30:27.200 be doing public land because I haven't been the public 1:30:27.280 --> 1:30:29.559 land yet where it's like there's a bull, there's a bull, 1:30:29.720 --> 1:30:32.880 there's a bull. No, I haven't been there, well somebody, Yeah, 1:30:32.920 --> 1:30:35.920 then that's a situation that you know when you go 1:30:36.120 --> 1:30:38.240 to some of these bigger ranches that you get into 1:30:38.800 --> 1:30:41.360 and it's a different experience. And I've done it a 1:30:41.360 --> 1:30:44.040 few times and for me, it's like, yeah, I get it. 1:30:44.080 --> 1:30:45.519 If this is the only time I had to hunt, 1:30:45.560 --> 1:30:47.200 I might do it this way. But that's not for me. 1:30:49.760 --> 1:30:54.559 Else that's no reason to hate on it. It's still 1:30:54.600 --> 1:30:57.360 one percent hunting, Like that's what I've sort of seen 1:30:57.400 --> 1:30:59.320 a lot of lately, you know. And it's like or 1:30:59.439 --> 1:31:03.000 people would try and pit me against someone else, you know, 1:31:03.280 --> 1:31:05.160 or someone else against me, and it's like, what do 1:31:05.160 --> 1:31:07.320 you mean they don't that I don't want to do 1:31:07.360 --> 1:31:10.160 public land, not my spots. My spots ship my spots 1:31:10.200 --> 1:31:12.680 take a month to find a ball to kill, you know. 1:31:12.880 --> 1:31:16.320 And I'm not saying there's awesome public land spots out there, 1:31:16.760 --> 1:31:19.400 but you still need time to put in time effort. Yeah, 1:31:19.400 --> 1:31:21.760 and then it's that and then there's no laziness, and 1:31:21.760 --> 1:31:24.240 and that there's no laziness in it. There just isn't. 1:31:24.400 --> 1:31:28.640 There is a circumstance. And like I said, I I 1:31:28.800 --> 1:31:32.600 really I don't need to say the guy's name, but 1:31:32.680 --> 1:31:34.720 we have a mutual friend. Like we got in a 1:31:34.800 --> 1:31:36.840 vehicle right after we came back from one nine and 1:31:36.880 --> 1:31:40.639 we were riding around and bitching the whole time, talking 1:31:40.680 --> 1:31:42.920 about this and then hunting this and that, this person 1:31:43.000 --> 1:31:45.639 doing this and that, And I just was like, wait 1:31:45.680 --> 1:31:49.320 a minute, what are we doing? Man, what are we doing? 1:31:50.240 --> 1:31:52.360 Why are we talking? These are people? A lot of 1:31:52.360 --> 1:31:54.439 these people we know, we know they're good people, we 1:31:54.479 --> 1:31:57.920 know they're good hunters. And like we turn back this 1:31:57.960 --> 1:32:02.280 ship back this negative and I can that we this 1:32:02.360 --> 1:32:04.759 is in Australia and we've just gotten in the camp 1:32:04.800 --> 1:32:07.280 and it was awesome. There was deer everywhere and the 1:32:07.360 --> 1:32:09.080 hunt was kicking off and I was with a couple 1:32:09.080 --> 1:32:14.200 of really good guys and um the property owner there, 1:32:14.920 --> 1:32:17.000 who was also a bit of a hunter, was like 1:32:17.080 --> 1:32:19.559 real negative minded and talked a lot of shit about 1:32:19.720 --> 1:32:21.559 people that I did know and that I didn't know, 1:32:22.520 --> 1:32:26.320 and like I just judge people off me, you know, 1:32:26.360 --> 1:32:28.360 like it's all right to be aware of something like 1:32:28.400 --> 1:32:30.719 you say, oh, such and such is like a bit stabby. 1:32:30.800 --> 1:32:32.760 You might try and rape you in the night. That'd 1:32:32.800 --> 1:32:36.320 be nice to know. But I'm still gonna I'm still 1:32:36.360 --> 1:32:40.760 going to assess that person of my own dealings. And 1:32:40.800 --> 1:32:42.720 if I haven't had any bad dealings, there's no need 1:32:42.760 --> 1:32:44.800 to hate on anything. And even if I did, I 1:32:44.920 --> 1:32:47.200 just leave it. I just let it go. Just don't 1:32:47.200 --> 1:32:50.280 associate with that person anymore. Anyway. The property owners talking 1:32:50.320 --> 1:32:52.320 ship and one of my buddies is talking ship and 1:32:52.320 --> 1:32:55.880 it's like three hours of just negative trash talk and 1:32:56.200 --> 1:32:58.720 every hunter under the sun that they have never met 1:32:58.760 --> 1:33:01.320 theirselves either. And I got up in the mind and 1:33:01.360 --> 1:33:04.840 I packed up, and the mates like what are you doing. 1:33:05.439 --> 1:33:07.400 I'm like, I'm going, dude, I didn't come here for this. 1:33:07.720 --> 1:33:09.120 I come here to have a good time, you know, 1:33:09.160 --> 1:33:12.080 and go hunting. And all that ship talk last night, 1:33:12.240 --> 1:33:14.160 you know, you're talking about guys that have kids just 1:33:14.240 --> 1:33:18.559 like me. Your your saying things that have been set 1:33:18.600 --> 1:33:21.400 against me, and you know they're not true. So how 1:33:21.439 --> 1:33:23.720 do you know they're not true about true about this 1:33:23.800 --> 1:33:27.600 other person? Like people are saying the same rumors and 1:33:27.640 --> 1:33:31.280 shit about me, and He's he's like, just took a 1:33:31.280 --> 1:33:35.280 step back, and lucky, he's like an intelligent dude because 1:33:35.320 --> 1:33:37.920 he took a step back and realized that it was wrong. 1:33:38.320 --> 1:33:40.080 And he's never been like that again. He just got 1:33:40.120 --> 1:33:43.880 caught up with that negativity, that trash talking people. And 1:33:43.920 --> 1:33:45.240 I think now that he's met a few of the 1:33:45.240 --> 1:33:47.120 people that he was trash talk and he's realized they 1:33:47.120 --> 1:33:49.519 aren't no different than me and him, you know, they're 1:33:49.560 --> 1:33:52.280 just people like us. You know, I tell people all 1:33:52.280 --> 1:33:54.559 the time my job prior to the one i'm this 1:33:54.600 --> 1:33:56.720 building we're sitting there now, was to really know all 1:33:56.720 --> 1:34:00.360 those people that influence other and to get to them 1:34:00.400 --> 1:34:04.000 and to bring them in. And and you influence people, 1:34:04.000 --> 1:34:07.080 it's my job to know you and assess your value 1:34:07.120 --> 1:34:12.000 to a company. It's a weird situation anyway, but what 1:34:12.040 --> 1:34:14.960 I took from it is is that there was very, very, 1:34:15.080 --> 1:34:18.360 very few people. And you saw this. You know, at 1:34:18.360 --> 1:34:20.040 some point could fill a room with five hundred people 1:34:20.080 --> 1:34:21.919 that I knew, and they were all in the hunting industry, 1:34:22.360 --> 1:34:25.599 there's like very few people I would look at now 1:34:25.680 --> 1:34:29.800 and use the word hate or even dislike like maybe 1:34:29.800 --> 1:34:33.360 different people, maybe not going to be best buddies, maybe whatever. 1:34:33.960 --> 1:34:36.080 But now that I look at it, and just like 1:34:36.120 --> 1:34:38.599 you said, like nobody told me this, but I had 1:34:38.640 --> 1:34:42.599 it in my own mind, Like, come on, dude, the negativity. 1:34:43.040 --> 1:34:45.880 You think you're virtuous and the like you're gonna, you know, 1:34:45.920 --> 1:34:48.960 I act like you have some real opinion, and then 1:34:48.960 --> 1:34:52.160 in private with your buddies, you're gonna start running your 1:34:52.200 --> 1:34:57.680 yap about people like come on, man, get real, And 1:34:57.680 --> 1:35:00.720 if anybody listen to this is doing that, let's take 1:35:00.720 --> 1:35:06.439 a step back for a minute. I think who's his benefiting? Yeah, 1:35:06.680 --> 1:35:10.280 is this benefiting anyone? Because if it's not, why well yeah, 1:35:10.320 --> 1:35:13.320 that goes this This whole conversation line goes back to 1:35:13.520 --> 1:35:15.400 when I ask you, like, hey, what's it looked like 1:35:15.439 --> 1:35:17.360 for your kids? And your first reaction was, well, there's 1:35:17.360 --> 1:35:21.280 a lot of hate and there's a lot of divisiveness 1:35:21.320 --> 1:35:24.400 out there. Like we as a community or just regular 1:35:24.439 --> 1:35:28.639 folks that like to do similar things can always point 1:35:28.680 --> 1:35:31.040 to the device inness whether it's in our own lives 1:35:31.120 --> 1:35:33.759 or whether it's on social media or wherever we're living 1:35:33.880 --> 1:35:37.160 or traveling, and like there's the device inness right over there. 1:35:37.840 --> 1:35:40.320 I don't want that. Like for me, I'll be on. 1:35:40.600 --> 1:35:43.479 Like the n r A is a divisive, very good 1:35:43.600 --> 1:35:46.240 organization that does a lot of good stuff, but the 1:35:46.320 --> 1:35:50.760 divisiveness is where I get off the ship. That's where 1:35:50.760 --> 1:35:53.720 I get off. And even my own personal life and 1:35:53.880 --> 1:35:57.400 my dealings is like, if you're a divisive figure, I'm 1:35:57.439 --> 1:36:01.240 off now. It's not worth it. There's nothing worth that. 1:36:01.760 --> 1:36:04.280 And even in now that we have a media company 1:36:04.280 --> 1:36:07.599 of sorts to be devices to get eyeballs, right, if 1:36:07.600 --> 1:36:10.800 we were sitting here saying a much controversial things, more 1:36:10.840 --> 1:36:13.320 people might listen to this thing. Yeah, I mean, you know, 1:36:13.400 --> 1:36:17.680 so it's it's that shallow audience and you know, and 1:36:17.720 --> 1:36:20.600 that's what that's that's what I see a lot happening of. 1:36:20.760 --> 1:36:23.880 You know, it's just whatever gets to raise, whatever grabs 1:36:23.880 --> 1:36:26.280 an audience at the time, so people will stay and 1:36:26.320 --> 1:36:30.840 do stupid things. And if you're uh, if you're like 1:36:30.880 --> 1:36:34.320 a name, you know, you've basically become an item, you know, 1:36:34.320 --> 1:36:36.439 and people just talk about you like you're another item, 1:36:36.520 --> 1:36:40.559 like Cameron Haynes, Joe Rogan, myself whatever, like you don't 1:36:40.560 --> 1:36:42.360 have a family, like you don't have feelings, that you're 1:36:42.360 --> 1:36:44.400 not human, that you don't care for people, and things 1:36:44.400 --> 1:36:46.519 like that. And when it gets that point where people 1:36:46.560 --> 1:36:49.880 start talking about you like that, that's the point where 1:36:49.880 --> 1:36:55.400 I'm trying to get off, like okay, this ship yeah yeah, yeah, 1:36:55.840 --> 1:37:00.320 yeah no, And that's you know, again, a lot of 1:37:00.320 --> 1:37:02.559 people listening or you know, some people say, these guys 1:37:02.560 --> 1:37:04.479 are just talking in circles around this thing. But it's 1:37:04.520 --> 1:37:07.040 it's really important when you get to your level and 1:37:07.560 --> 1:37:12.839 everybody can recognize having two thousand people follow you around 1:37:13.439 --> 1:37:16.320 is not normal. And so when you get to that 1:37:16.439 --> 1:37:20.000 new normal where that's your life, you gotta reor like 1:37:20.200 --> 1:37:24.400 reassess what's going on and reassess, like how do I 1:37:24.479 --> 1:37:26.760 now have to change the way I function as I 1:37:26.880 --> 1:37:29.040 make sure that this works because this is not the 1:37:29.080 --> 1:37:32.080 way it used to be. And I'm not trying to 1:37:32.080 --> 1:37:36.439 be a freaking movie star or anything like that either, 1:37:36.880 --> 1:37:39.120 you know. And that's why I keep saying I'm no 1:37:39.240 --> 1:37:42.080 different than anyone else. I make mistakes, a funk up, 1:37:42.120 --> 1:37:44.519 I'm just the person you know. I still love and 1:37:44.560 --> 1:37:50.400 care about everything though, So yeah, it's just weird. I'm 1:37:50.439 --> 1:37:54.080 just because people do get it wrong, you know, they 1:37:54.160 --> 1:37:56.040 think that you're in it for the wrong reasons, that 1:37:56.120 --> 1:37:59.920 you said it before sponsorship or audience or something like that. 1:38:00.160 --> 1:38:03.280 You know, like, no, no, I'm just trying to promote 1:38:03.280 --> 1:38:05.439 our pastime what we do and have a good life 1:38:05.840 --> 1:38:07.960 doing it, and hopefully the people around me have a 1:38:07.960 --> 1:38:10.559 good life as well. That's all you really need to do. 1:38:11.360 --> 1:38:15.080 We're gonna take questions. A lot of people are just 1:38:15.120 --> 1:38:16.840 saying thanks for doing what you do. I was reading 1:38:16.880 --> 1:38:19.160 a couple of your talk I appreciate it. There's a guy, 1:38:19.320 --> 1:38:22.080 Jason Holidays. I don't have a question. I just want 1:38:22.080 --> 1:38:24.559 to say thank you for sharing all your adventures. They're 1:38:24.600 --> 1:38:28.160 inspiring for guys like me to dream about doing hunt 1:38:28.240 --> 1:38:30.320 like that in British Columbia. Keep up all your hard work. 1:38:30.439 --> 1:38:33.800 Much appreciate it. Ah, Yeah, you don't have to do 1:38:33.840 --> 1:38:40.240 British Columbia. Um, British Columbia is magnificent. It is freaking beautiful. 1:38:40.360 --> 1:38:44.120 But if you're a foreigner like myself, you need a 1:38:44.160 --> 1:38:46.960 guide or an outfit. And so we're talking about a 1:38:47.000 --> 1:38:49.120 money hunt, you know, like it's like a it's a 1:38:49.160 --> 1:38:53.040 big dollars hunt to go and do that, and and 1:38:53.120 --> 1:38:55.080 it is worth it if you have the money spare 1:38:55.560 --> 1:38:59.559 per it's completely worth it. And when you see the 1:39:00.439 --> 1:39:05.400 um freaking nightmare, which is like getting in there and 1:39:05.479 --> 1:39:08.280 getting out and having all those horses and camps, you 1:39:08.280 --> 1:39:10.080 can see why it costs that much, because I think 1:39:10.200 --> 1:39:14.400 people just think they charged dollars and for the animal. Yes, 1:39:14.520 --> 1:39:17.679 I went with Dustin Row, which is backcountry BC and beyond, 1:39:18.320 --> 1:39:22.679 and people must think like Dustin's cashed up. But you're 1:39:22.680 --> 1:39:26.240 in there, there's like twenty horses that you didn't have 1:39:26.320 --> 1:39:30.320 to feed or get in there or raise your camps, 1:39:30.560 --> 1:39:34.280 fuel float plane. Once you get a bull killed like 1:39:34.320 --> 1:39:37.080 a moose, getting the meat and everything out of there 1:39:37.240 --> 1:39:41.600 is it's just a logistical nightmare. So to have a 1:39:41.640 --> 1:39:45.080 business like an outfitter that runs something like that, it's 1:39:45.080 --> 1:39:47.760 worth it, um. But you need to have the money 1:39:47.800 --> 1:39:49.360 to do a hunt like that. So what I would 1:39:49.400 --> 1:39:53.680 say is is that guy might already Jason was his name, 1:39:54.400 --> 1:39:57.519 that there's so much good public land that you can 1:39:57.560 --> 1:40:00.760 go in for nearly zero dollars in the country and 1:40:00.880 --> 1:40:03.679 feel exactly how I felt in the back of BC. 1:40:04.439 --> 1:40:06.719 That um, if you don't if you don't have the 1:40:06.760 --> 1:40:09.120 money to do like a back country BC hunt or 1:40:09.200 --> 1:40:12.120 something like that. Then just get into some remote public land. 1:40:14.479 --> 1:40:18.800 Well did here's b shook five best Australian accent Jordan 1:40:18.840 --> 1:40:23.559 Harbinson camp or ben O Brown. Let me hear yours good? 1:40:23.600 --> 1:40:26.720 I might is every good? That's pretty good. Yeah, well 1:40:26.720 --> 1:40:29.439 there's a video out there you can of me doing 1:40:29.439 --> 1:40:35.599 that drunk is skunk. That was good that your kids 1:40:35.600 --> 1:40:38.360 were like, you're famous in our family. You're the drunk one, 1:40:38.640 --> 1:40:41.200 the funny drunk one. Yeah, I'm glad we cut him 1:40:41.240 --> 1:40:46.360 short on the podcast. Yeah. Oh man, no, especially he's fun. 1:40:48.080 --> 1:40:50.640 That's the ship. Well, I we can go through a 1:40:50.680 --> 1:40:52.320 much more questions. We'll say, well, we'll look at one 1:40:52.320 --> 1:40:54.400 more here, We'll find one more good before we go. 1:40:56.240 --> 1:41:03.679 Let's see a lot of people just aren't wait. Very exciting, alright, 1:41:04.120 --> 1:41:08.719 A lot of roguan questions. Best Roguan hunting story, when's 1:41:08.760 --> 1:41:10.880 Rogan coming to us? But let's just stick my best 1:41:11.000 --> 1:41:17.479 Roguan hunting story, Best Rogan hunting story. Shit, I don't know. 1:41:17.880 --> 1:41:20.040 I prefer the one. How do we get into Australia. 1:41:20.160 --> 1:41:21.920 That's like a couple lot of questions. What do we 1:41:21.920 --> 1:41:24.200 do to get into. I don't know, because I've tried 1:41:24.240 --> 1:41:27.799 all tried everything. I know. America's he's more dangerous in Australia, 1:41:27.920 --> 1:41:31.440 that's right, And he's like carrying on like Australia so dangerous. 1:41:31.600 --> 1:41:34.280 And then when like I think I nearly got killed 1:41:34.320 --> 1:41:36.240 five times in the first week when I was to 1:41:36.280 --> 1:41:40.320 come to America, and then um, I think we've seen 1:41:40.400 --> 1:41:44.559 seventeen snakes by week two and I've seen two snakes 1:41:44.600 --> 1:41:47.920 this whole year in Australia. See, maybe there's some kind 1:41:47.960 --> 1:41:51.200 of data and analytics that we can gather. Yeah, we 1:41:51.280 --> 1:41:54.000 need something we need for startards. We need to cut 1:41:54.280 --> 1:41:57.320 like the Discovery Channel and all those channels of that 1:41:57.479 --> 1:42:02.479 do like Australia is like, yeah, spiders and we need 1:42:02.479 --> 1:42:05.920 to kill that sat dish and yeah, we need to 1:42:05.920 --> 1:42:08.840 get some real stats to him. I would say, I 1:42:08.880 --> 1:42:11.600 would venture a guess that it is more dangerous to 1:42:11.720 --> 1:42:16.040 drive on the freeway in Los Angeles unting with Adam 1:42:16.080 --> 1:42:20.280 green Tree in Australia. That's just a guess. I venture 1:42:20.320 --> 1:42:23.479 that that's probably it's a hundred percent. It's like I said, 1:42:23.520 --> 1:42:25.799 like the whole time in the back country of Montana, 1:42:25.960 --> 1:42:29.320 the whole way your cautious of bears, like you think 1:42:29.439 --> 1:42:32.240 you're just preparing yourself. You know, a bear comes and 1:42:32.280 --> 1:42:33.960 I'm telling Kim, you know this how you use the 1:42:33.960 --> 1:42:36.479 bear spray. You know if a bear grabs me, this 1:42:36.520 --> 1:42:37.640 is what you need to do with the gun. And 1:42:37.680 --> 1:42:39.679 I've been showing how to load the gun and everything 1:42:39.720 --> 1:42:43.720 like that, and you know, food storage around camp and 1:42:43.760 --> 1:42:47.720 just constantly going over it. In Australia, like if you 1:42:47.800 --> 1:42:49.920 go to the Norman Territory, the only time you're talking 1:42:49.960 --> 1:42:52.400 about crocodiles is when you go up to the water. 1:42:52.800 --> 1:42:54.800 That's the only time you can't away from the water, 1:42:54.920 --> 1:42:56.920 No talk about crocodiles. You go to the water to 1:42:56.920 --> 1:42:58.840 get You go to the water to get water, talk 1:42:58.880 --> 1:43:03.000 about crocodiles. That's it. There's the difference. Well, I mean, 1:43:03.200 --> 1:43:05.920 we'll get him eventually. I like to. I'd like to 1:43:05.960 --> 1:43:09.000 be there, maybe a meat Eater episode, maybe just Joe, 1:43:09.080 --> 1:43:11.200 a couple of just Joe just in a tree the 1:43:11.320 --> 1:43:14.320 entire time, unwilling to come down. Yeah, I'm supposed to 1:43:14.360 --> 1:43:16.280 do a podcast with him in this trip. And already 1:43:16.280 --> 1:43:18.280 thinking about we've got a pet snake now and a 1:43:18.320 --> 1:43:20.280 pet spider, and I was thinking about taking both of 1:43:20.280 --> 1:43:25.080 them to the studio releasing them and like, how about 1:43:25.080 --> 1:43:28.719 Australia now, bitch, be like not on even, but don't 1:43:28.720 --> 1:43:31.960 tell until it's over exactly somewhere in your studio. Yeah, 1:43:32.200 --> 1:43:37.920 I've left a copperhead rattlesnakes seven points in the spiders exactly. 1:43:38.439 --> 1:43:41.600 Come to Australian now or die the only one? Hi? 1:43:42.240 --> 1:43:44.360 Can you? I've got a question of you. Yeah, please 1:43:44.400 --> 1:43:47.479 tell me tell us a little bit about the future 1:43:47.520 --> 1:43:50.479 of meat Eat Yeah. Yeah, We've talked about this a 1:43:50.479 --> 1:43:52.519 little bit on the show. What I mean, it's like, 1:43:52.560 --> 1:43:55.599 I know you've got April folks, you guys a lot 1:43:55.600 --> 1:43:58.600 of our good friends. She's awesome, dude. I didn't know 1:43:58.640 --> 1:44:00.360 her very well before we kind of got into this, 1:44:00.439 --> 1:44:03.080 but now I talked to her daily and she's an 1:44:03.080 --> 1:44:08.080 amazing human. Good lord. Um. The future of this thing 1:44:08.200 --> 1:44:09.960 is very much what you know at this point, being 1:44:09.960 --> 1:44:12.120 a startup company was what we want to make it. 1:44:12.320 --> 1:44:16.120 But my one of my major goals is like to 1:44:16.120 --> 1:44:20.519 to you know, steer this ship to take all the 1:44:20.560 --> 1:44:23.280 good things that is happening hunting, you know, for great 1:44:23.280 --> 1:44:28.080 examples like how do we take the excitement around live 1:44:28.160 --> 1:44:30.640 hunting and Instagram stories and following someone on adventure and 1:44:30.680 --> 1:44:33.200 amplify that for everybody. You know, how do we take 1:44:34.120 --> 1:44:36.680 the knowledge that you have, or the knowledge that Steve has, 1:44:36.800 --> 1:44:38.320 or the knowledge that I've gained over the years and 1:44:39.280 --> 1:44:41.920 package that up and give it to everyone. How do 1:44:42.000 --> 1:44:44.880 we do those things? Not only they've already that's been 1:44:44.920 --> 1:44:47.760 done for years. You've written articles, I've readen articles. We've 1:44:47.800 --> 1:44:51.880 all done that. But I feel like this world is 1:44:52.000 --> 1:44:54.080 ripe for a different and better way to do that, 1:44:54.240 --> 1:44:58.599 especially the hunting world, because it's such a information based game. 1:44:58.800 --> 1:45:01.080 If you're not informed, if you don't know what you're doing, 1:45:01.080 --> 1:45:03.040 if you don't have somebody to influence you in a 1:45:03.080 --> 1:45:06.839 positive way, you will flunk out before you even get started. 1:45:07.200 --> 1:45:09.880 And that's so much like what you do. That's what 1:45:09.920 --> 1:45:12.960 we weren't trying to do, and we've got, you know, 1:45:13.800 --> 1:45:16.120 some resources to do it, and that's very much what 1:45:16.160 --> 1:45:19.519 we want to do. And it's all around like our 1:45:19.720 --> 1:45:22.639 y is very much like we. The outdoors are sacred, 1:45:23.240 --> 1:45:27.000 we all share them, and we want to promote a 1:45:27.040 --> 1:45:30.600 better interaction because we know that it enriches all of 1:45:30.680 --> 1:45:33.519 our lives, not just mine or yours, but everybody so 1:45:33.560 --> 1:45:36.560 the natural world becomes a center point for like this communication, 1:45:37.479 --> 1:45:40.280 and my job partially is to make sure that communication 1:45:40.439 --> 1:45:43.679 is better. Yeah, that's that's more engaging, and that people 1:45:43.720 --> 1:45:46.600 can take it in in easier ways, and and that 1:45:46.720 --> 1:45:49.800 the and that we're motivated by our audience and not 1:45:49.880 --> 1:45:53.040 by anything else. You know, that's amazing that used to 1:45:53.320 --> 1:45:56.479 that vision and pushing it. Yeah, it was just like 1:45:56.520 --> 1:45:58.200 you man, it's like, what what do you Why do 1:45:58.240 --> 1:45:59.840 you get up in the morning? What's the thing that 1:46:00.680 --> 1:46:03.880 you know? I get slocked down? You know, I've got 1:46:03.920 --> 1:46:05.760 slogged down recently. And some of this is like you 1:46:05.840 --> 1:46:08.599 gotta do this, you gotta get through this. But every 1:46:08.640 --> 1:46:11.280 once in a while I can stop and think, how 1:46:11.360 --> 1:46:14.519 lucky am I to have this opportunity. If I screwed up, 1:46:14.520 --> 1:46:17.880 at least we screwed up collectively. At least I had 1:46:17.960 --> 1:46:20.160 the opportunity to you know, at least we gave it 1:46:20.200 --> 1:46:22.040 a shot. And if it doesn't work, it doesn't work, 1:46:22.080 --> 1:46:26.200 that's fine. I'll come out of a clean But that's 1:46:26.240 --> 1:46:31.200 a good feeling. Yeah, it's not without some successful anyway, 1:46:31.200 --> 1:46:33.160 But even if you're not, at least it lays a 1:46:33.240 --> 1:46:35.759 puff for whoever comes behind you. Yeah, and it's worth 1:46:35.880 --> 1:46:39.080 like acknowledging that there is there is a void in 1:46:39.120 --> 1:46:41.559 our media space, the one that you're filling and other 1:46:41.600 --> 1:46:46.280 folks are filling, and we can help amplify that, make 1:46:46.320 --> 1:46:51.120 it better and try, you know, to inform people. I've 1:46:51.120 --> 1:46:55.240 got a message today from a guy in Australia, Matt Rodgers. 1:46:55.320 --> 1:46:58.920 He's like a legendary football player in Australia. He just 1:46:59.000 --> 1:47:04.920 did uh um Survivor. It's like pretty popular in Australia 1:47:05.000 --> 1:47:07.679 TV show. I think you've got one as well, Survivor. 1:47:08.080 --> 1:47:10.639 He just was on Survivor and stuff and he's like, hey, 1:47:10.800 --> 1:47:15.920 have you ever watched meat Eata TV? Steve Ronnella so 1:47:15.960 --> 1:47:18.040 freaking cool. I don't want to buy meat anymore. I 1:47:18.080 --> 1:47:19.639 want to go out and hunt my own. Because I've 1:47:19.720 --> 1:47:21.080 been trying to get him into a bow for a 1:47:21.080 --> 1:47:23.280 little while. He's really keen, but he just gets really busy, 1:47:23.280 --> 1:47:26.920 obviously with his status. But um, and I just right 1:47:27.000 --> 1:47:31.320 back to him like, actually, I'm going to Steve's office today. Yes, 1:47:31.479 --> 1:47:33.800 collecting your own meat is the best, you know. And 1:47:33.880 --> 1:47:38.960 it's like it's amazing how Steve's platforms influencing people, you know, 1:47:39.040 --> 1:47:41.040 like and it is he does it in such a 1:47:41.080 --> 1:47:43.880 way that it makes people realize like how good that, 1:47:44.080 --> 1:47:46.120 you know. And it's like for a little while there, 1:47:46.120 --> 1:47:48.559 it just seemed like it was the fashionable thing to do, 1:47:48.960 --> 1:47:50.559 like you know, I'm going to get a bow or 1:47:50.560 --> 1:47:53.040 whatever and go and get my own meat. And right 1:47:53.080 --> 1:47:56.200 now it's slowly turning into what I'm seeing is no, 1:47:56.400 --> 1:47:59.320 that's life, that's that's life. Yeah, I mean, I think 1:47:59.400 --> 1:48:02.120 I clearly think that the more of this that goes on, 1:48:02.200 --> 1:48:04.759 the more urbanization that goes on, the more fancy coffee 1:48:04.760 --> 1:48:07.439 shops and cam booch the bars and bullshit of that nature, 1:48:08.520 --> 1:48:11.120 the more people are gonna long somewhere deep in their 1:48:11.120 --> 1:48:14.240 freaking bodies and their souls to go and to do 1:48:14.360 --> 1:48:18.240 something wrong and real and bloody, and and they're going 1:48:18.320 --> 1:48:22.559 to be like, wait, that's an option, and it's our job. 1:48:22.680 --> 1:48:25.880 Our job is a collective group, all of us to 1:48:25.920 --> 1:48:28.559 make that available to him, Like you don't have to 1:48:28.600 --> 1:48:31.320 do it, but here it is. Here, it is in 1:48:31.439 --> 1:48:33.400 the right way. Here, it is in a way that 1:48:33.640 --> 1:48:35.639 will make you better person. Do you think the human 1:48:35.720 --> 1:48:37.559 race got to a point where it just got sice? 1:48:37.600 --> 1:48:39.519 And I'll be that we fought, were better than an animal, 1:48:39.680 --> 1:48:42.760 for sure. I always think of that for sure, like 1:48:42.880 --> 1:48:47.040 we just got we just fought too. It's like, are 1:48:47.080 --> 1:48:48.640 you kidding? A lot of that stuff is happening in 1:48:48.680 --> 1:48:53.240 the background, steel pushed away from that. I always say like, 1:48:53.280 --> 1:48:55.840 there's got to be something, and I venture to have 1:48:55.920 --> 1:48:58.479 like a psychologist on at some point or somebody that's 1:48:58.520 --> 1:49:01.280 able to examine this and the more thoughtfulway than me. 1:49:01.360 --> 1:49:03.800 But like when you kill something, there's a feeling that 1:49:03.880 --> 1:49:05.400 you get when you kill something and you know that 1:49:05.400 --> 1:49:08.080 you're going to eat it and it's a wild animal, 1:49:09.040 --> 1:49:11.760 do you get a feeling that you can't explain and 1:49:11.840 --> 1:49:14.120 it is a deep and core in your DNA that 1:49:14.800 --> 1:49:17.960 this thing feel that feels right, You feel accomplished, you 1:49:18.000 --> 1:49:21.639 feel I feel so homed, like like I'm right where 1:49:21.680 --> 1:49:23.920 I'm supposed to be exactly, and that's why I can 1:49:23.960 --> 1:49:27.559 explain it right where I'm supposed to be. Good luck 1:49:27.640 --> 1:49:30.519 really explaining that too. If you ever read that book 1:49:30.560 --> 1:49:34.960 Omnivor's Dilemma by Michael Poland, he says hunting is so 1:49:35.080 --> 1:49:38.520 different from the inside than it is from the outside. 1:49:39.160 --> 1:49:44.479 Almost He's almost inexplainable, So you can almost cannot conceive 1:49:44.560 --> 1:49:46.760 of what it feels like do this and what it 1:49:46.760 --> 1:49:49.040 feels like not to do it. And now we have 1:49:49.080 --> 1:49:51.120 a lot of a lot of humans that know don't 1:49:51.160 --> 1:49:53.960 know what it feels like to do it, whereas you know, 1:49:54.160 --> 1:49:58.720 hundred thousand generations of people that's all they knew, and 1:49:58.800 --> 1:50:01.880 we're into the you know, ten twenty generations where people 1:50:01.880 --> 1:50:04.600 are now starting to completely move away from that and 1:50:04.680 --> 1:50:08.479 lose part of that connection, yet still consume the world 1:50:08.479 --> 1:50:14.000 around them, but just not actively. Yeah, that's so, you know, 1:50:14.040 --> 1:50:17.080 I think we're well this company and what you do 1:50:17.160 --> 1:50:20.120 and everybody that we're just like I always say, my 1:50:20.120 --> 1:50:22.759 my career is in the hunting industry. Hunting is my career. 1:50:23.040 --> 1:50:25.479 It's not Meaty or it's not Yetty, it's not Petersons hunting, 1:50:25.479 --> 1:50:28.080 it wasn't anything before that. It's in the hunting world. 1:50:28.400 --> 1:50:32.040 That's my career. That's what I care about. So you know, 1:50:32.160 --> 1:50:34.880 no matter what I'm doing, that's what I care about. 1:50:35.400 --> 1:50:37.240 And that's at the end of the day. I don't 1:50:37.240 --> 1:50:39.479 want anybody be like he was a great this for that, 1:50:39.760 --> 1:50:42.559 Like he was a great influence in the hunting community 1:50:42.600 --> 1:50:46.160 where you could do it like the big pitches hunting, 1:50:46.320 --> 1:50:49.840 that's it a company of laboring or anything. I don't 1:50:49.840 --> 1:50:51.840 know if you know my current bosses are like that, 1:50:51.880 --> 1:50:53.400 but I don't know if my previous ones like that. 1:50:53.439 --> 1:50:55.160 When I said it out loud, just keep saying it 1:50:55.160 --> 1:50:58.120 out loud, it's like, that's you know, I'm dedicated to 1:50:58.160 --> 1:51:01.200 that thing and that thing is more important than where 1:51:01.439 --> 1:51:04.800 I currently said. Then maybe that's I think where I 1:51:04.800 --> 1:51:12.160 currently said. Understand that definite hundred How come to Australia, 1:51:12.240 --> 1:51:14.960 fuck it? Yeah, I don't care. I'm not like Rogan, Yeah, 1:51:16.280 --> 1:51:24.840 except in usc there's a certain toughness there. I would 1:51:24.880 --> 1:51:28.599 say that toughness just willing, like I believe Joe Rogan 1:51:28.680 --> 1:51:31.759 could break my spine if he wanted to in about 1:51:32.000 --> 1:51:36.320 thirty seconds flat. But also we're at the back of 1:51:36.320 --> 1:51:40.120 the comedy store one time, mouse run out and Joe 1:51:40.320 --> 1:51:44.680 actually threw me in the path between him and the mouse. 1:51:44.880 --> 1:51:48.080 And so there's like two different toughness and I would 1:51:48.120 --> 1:51:51.639 like to believe that I'm way way tougher on that degree. 1:51:51.920 --> 1:51:54.800 We'll close on that. Everybody, Well, thank you dude, man. 1:51:54.880 --> 1:51:58.680 It's always good to spend time with you in the 1:51:59.320 --> 1:52:01.840 struck fresh It man, I appreciate you to hell you. 1:52:02.920 --> 1:52:07.439 That's it. That's all Episode number thirty three in the books. 1:52:08.000 --> 1:52:10.920 Thank you to Mr Adam green Tree and the green 1:52:10.960 --> 1:52:16.240 Tree kids. They are badasses all. Hopefully you enjoyed that conversation, 1:52:16.320 --> 1:52:21.439 you enjoyed keyring Adam's perspective on life, family, bow hunting, 1:52:22.240 --> 1:52:25.720 adventure and really for me, shines a light on how 1:52:25.760 --> 1:52:27.360 he came up and some of the struggles as a 1:52:27.400 --> 1:52:30.280 young man that he had to go through. It is 1:52:30.320 --> 1:52:32.519 an enlightening story to me and hopefully you found it 1:52:32.640 --> 1:52:36.320 the same. Next time one episode number thirty four, we 1:52:36.400 --> 1:52:40.599 have legendary surfer Shane Dorian straight out of Tona, Hawaii, 1:52:40.960 --> 1:52:43.559 where I joined him at his home to talk about surfing, 1:52:43.720 --> 1:52:48.280 hunting and chasing non native game all around why, which 1:52:48.280 --> 1:52:51.240 we have done together many times. So come back next 1:52:51.320 --> 1:52:55.200 Tuesday morning for Shane Dorian. 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