Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to episode number thirty three The Hunting Collective.
Speaker 1: I've been O'Brien today. I'm joined by Adam green Tree,
Speaker 1: my buddy from down Under. He just so happens to
Speaker 1: be in America on quite a I think it's eight
Speaker 1: month run hunting the States with his family as his
Speaker 1: wife Kim and his three awesome kids, who you will
Speaker 1: here at the start of this podcast. And uh, they're
Speaker 1: a perfect family there. They're an Australian family, that's for sure,
Speaker 1: but they're a hell of a good time. Adams a
Speaker 1: great person. We've hunted all over the world together, one
Speaker 1: of my favorite folks in the industry, somebody admired greatly
Speaker 1: for what he does and who he is, where he
Speaker 1: came from. Hopefully we'll learn a lot from that, and
Speaker 1: you'll learn a lot from Mr green Tree. An episode
Speaker 1: number thirty three. Here it is Welcome to the Hunting Collective.
Speaker 1: I'm joined today by two special guests, Aaliyah and Noah. Yeah, Yo,
Speaker 1: you're famous pretty Muchah, you're famous. Uh No, not really,
Speaker 1: not yet, is the proper answer. Have either of you
Speaker 1: ever been on a podcast before? No? Never, never, never.
Speaker 1: I'm really good at talking nice that's good. That's good.
Speaker 1: And your dad is who's your dad? Your dad is
Speaker 1: Adam green Tree. Yeah, what do you know about what
Speaker 1: you can tell us about Adam green Tree. He's he's
Speaker 1: a really good person. That's good. He's a good dad. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Um he's a good bar Hunter probably one of the
Speaker 1: best in the world. Um. Uh. He makes fun of
Speaker 1: Cameron hay Taste. Yeah, is that it? That's the horrible
Speaker 1: It's more. It's just it hasn't come in my head. Well,
Speaker 1: my dad is about Hunter and he's really good. He's
Speaker 1: famous on Instagram. He does really cool stuff and that
Speaker 1: I like it. I think that has a good job.
Speaker 1: He has a good job. Yeah, too bad. Kimmy Grant
Speaker 1: Trees not here. Too bad with kim and Tree, tell
Speaker 1: us about your mom's cool. She's about Hunter as well.
Speaker 1: She does pretty good. She still needs a line a
Speaker 1: lot more things, but she's doing good. She's doing good. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. That's awesome. You guys live in Australia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're here in America six months six months in America.
Speaker 1: We've been here for two months, so that means four months,
Speaker 1: four more months. That's crazy. So, uh, how do you
Speaker 1: like America. It's cool, it's cool. McDonald's. McDonald's is not
Speaker 1: good though, is not good. We discussed this. But you
Speaker 1: do like the chickens chicken sandwich though. Yeah, that's good,
Speaker 1: that's good. Oh my god, Helliah, do you what is
Speaker 1: your opinion on McDonald's in America? McDonald's is our okay,
Speaker 1: but it's different than Australians McDonald's, which I don't really like.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's okay, it's okay. Yeah. What else about America?
Speaker 1: Do you? America is fine, but it's just a lot
Speaker 1: different than Australia. It has two things and people are different.
Speaker 1: Like you would be in the middle of nowhere and
Speaker 1: you'll still see cars drive pass. You've been the middle
Speaker 1: of nowhere in Australia and you'll see nothing for like
Speaker 1: a month, the whole month of nothing. Yeah, pretty much
Speaker 1: like Middle Australia, Western Australia, Northern Territory, that type of area,
Speaker 1: like the Kimberly's. You want to say, you want to
Speaker 1: see people, You want to say, you know something really
Speaker 1: nice about America? Yeah, America? America? Yeah, what do you
Speaker 1: tell us? More? That's my favorite state so far is
Speaker 1: Montana and Oregon with that was a hunt with Accubo
Speaker 1: and stuff, and then and then Colorado that was really fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what about Idaho? You like that? Yeah, it's fun. It's
Speaker 1: just we've it's we kind of got sick of it.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like there's like stuff to do. But
Speaker 1: once you've done that stuff, it's like you're getting ready
Speaker 1: to go to Kentucky. Yeah. Like we're traveling through like
Speaker 1: South Dakota, Illinois, Louisville and stuff, like with your dad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my older brother Hunter, he's not here. He's slumped out,
Speaker 1: he's asleep probably Leah. Yeah, and dad. We're gonna be
Speaker 1: traveling to Kentucky in the next few days to go
Speaker 1: to the get what hunt. Yeah, Whiteail in Kentucky with Acubo. Now,
Speaker 1: before you guys, uh, you guys have to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: before you go, could you just give me one thing
Speaker 1: you've learned about America? One piece of American like a
Speaker 1: fat at your favorite factor in America that you've learned
Speaker 1: during your time. The people are crazy. That's not a fact,
Speaker 1: but we'll go. We'll go that. I don't really have opinion,
Speaker 1: but yeah, there is people are different here than Australian people.
Speaker 1: There's different accents here, which is like completely different slang.
Speaker 1: Like you, guys, you probably don't know what I'm slaying
Speaker 1: right now. I haven't. I haven't understood word you've said. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I heard my name basically, that was it. That's right.
Speaker 1: So you don't didn't learn anything about like the founding fathers,
Speaker 1: maybe public Land or anything. Like Christopher Columbus. Yes, I
Speaker 1: think he. I'm not sure this is I'm kind of guessing,
Speaker 1: but he discovered Columbus and o Hire first and they
Speaker 1: kind of recognized that's a good guess. We're gonna stick
Speaker 1: with that. Columbus got the Columbus first. I mean, that
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense, because do you have any historical,
Speaker 1: uhformation to provide that you've learned during your time in America? Sorry,
Speaker 1: but no terrible homeschooling. Oh yeah, um, that's homeschooling is hard.
Speaker 1: It's not really. It depends. So my homeschooling is kind
Speaker 1: of different to everyone else. I So whatever state we
Speaker 1: like travel or like go through a go pass, all
Speaker 1: write like ten facts about that state. So like let's
Speaker 1: just say, for example, Montana, the capital's Helena. The population
Speaker 1: is like three point four six million people. Well done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the three points six million people was kind
Speaker 1: of guess it's something like that. Well, listen, we appreciate
Speaker 1: you being in our country. Yeah, and letting your dad
Speaker 1: hang out with us. Yeah with us. Yeah, and it's sick,
Speaker 1: but you need to come to strut. I'm coming and
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan and Steve Ranella. Maybe we'll just all go
Speaker 1: on Netflix together. Yeah Data. Yeah. Yeah, you guys were
Speaker 1: asking who in the office here is a Netflix actor
Speaker 1: and really it's only Steve Rinella. Yeah. Like second, there's
Speaker 1: like there's like people that like kind of like film
Speaker 1: and like like featured on Data. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah. Yeah, too bad. Adam grand treason't but okay,
Speaker 1: but you never know, never never know. Okay, Well, thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us. Yeah, we're gonna bring your dad on now.
Speaker 1: Let me see if all the things you said are true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: fact check. No, you might want to bring me in
Speaker 1: again because I'm just such a good talking like not
Speaker 1: trying to put myself up, like I'm the best talker
Speaker 1: in the world right now. Currently currently rankings first is
Speaker 1: Adam no Grand Trade, then Steve Rannella his voice This
Speaker 1: one to make you go slate. Now, how old are
Speaker 1: you give the people, I'm sixty nine thousand, trily not.
Speaker 1: I'm actually eleven years old. Eleven years I am nine
Speaker 1: years old. I birth day was like a month ago,
Speaker 1: six September. Perfect, well, happy birthday, thank you. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: thanks guys. You're welcome. Mr. Green Tree, Mr O'Brien. How
Speaker 1: you doing. I'm doing really well, you are. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: probably at the peak of my life or the highlight
Speaker 1: of my life right now. I'm telling you, dude, your
Speaker 1: family is awesome. Yes, I awesome. I know this. That's
Speaker 1: why they're my family. That's right, They're not mine yet. Now.
Speaker 1: We were just had lunch here in Bozeman, and I
Speaker 1: was driving down the road and I saw, like, that
Speaker 1: looks like a nice family. Like I saw this picturesque
Speaker 1: family hugging each other, skipping down the road. Happy's hell.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's freaking green trees. That's the green Trees.
Speaker 1: And that's after me and Kim just had an argument
Speaker 1: and we're still like that. What's the secret? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the secret is fighting for
Speaker 1: one another, truthfully, just fighting for one another, you know,
Speaker 1: and like not losing your ship over the little things
Speaker 1: and just talking them through and trying to benefit one
Speaker 1: another and be positive. And you know, if if one
Speaker 1: of us isn't positive, then that other person is trying
Speaker 1: to push him in a positive direction. And you know,
Speaker 1: like nothing good comes easier, right, That's the thing, you know.
Speaker 1: So you're like, there's so many relationships that you just
Speaker 1: just see the ars end fallout of so fast because
Speaker 1: they're not willing to work towards something. Kim is not perfect.
Speaker 1: I'm not perfect, And it's like, do you have a
Speaker 1: good friend that you spend enough time with that just
Speaker 1: you know, you'll find something that you don't agree with
Speaker 1: with of course, you know, so imagine because we're all
Speaker 1: strangers essentially, aren't we, you know, And then straight into
Speaker 1: the deeper meaningfuls in this podcast, this is a this
Speaker 1: is a this is where we but you know, like
Speaker 1: your own family, you'll find disagreements with of course, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And like before I met him,
Speaker 1: she was just a stranger and now we live in
Speaker 1: our whole lives together, So of course there's going to
Speaker 1: be things that you don't agree with, you know, that
Speaker 1: things that person might do that you know, you dislike that,
Speaker 1: just get over your own ship and work through it.
Speaker 1: You can tell man like you can tell him somebody
Speaker 1: truly loves the person there with, like not just loves
Speaker 1: the idea of marriage or loves the idea of having kids.
Speaker 1: Were truly like, life is made better by that circumstance.
Speaker 1: It's not. It's not fake. There's no and in the
Speaker 1: age of social media, w you're well aware of things
Speaker 1: can seem fake. Yeah, Well, Kim's been with me when
Speaker 1: I've been broke as hell, right, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: if she was with me at that point, I'm still
Speaker 1: broke as hell right now because I've spending my money
Speaker 1: on hunting. But I'm just saying, you know, if you
Speaker 1: can go through that hard struggle, you know together we've
Speaker 1: being like we've had no vehicle, we've had no money
Speaker 1: for public transport, sort of broke, and you still love
Speaker 1: and cherish each other through that. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you know, most people see that I'm doing
Speaker 1: a podcast with you and expect us to tell all
Speaker 1: kinds of hunting stories and talk about what broadheads were
Speaker 1: using and how to kill the animals and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But quite honestly, like I think people, I don't know how.
Speaker 1: I know you've talked about this some, but your story
Speaker 1: of where you started and where you are today is
Speaker 1: the one thing about you that amazed me the most,
Speaker 1: like flat out amazing. Um. And I think you well
Speaker 1: know that we probably talked about this before, but the
Speaker 1: struggles that you've gone through have made you such a
Speaker 1: freaking like pressure makes a diamond. Even when it comes
Speaker 1: to hunting. You talk about like you deal with hardship,
Speaker 1: you know, better than anybody I've ever seen, and it
Speaker 1: almost embraced hardship like that's just a part of life.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and tack. Yeah. I think you get
Speaker 1: so used to something like That's what I think it is.
Speaker 1: You get so used to it that like I actually
Speaker 1: crave it now. And and actually it's probably not that
Speaker 1: I crave it. It's just that it doesn't feel that hard,
Speaker 1: you know, because I'm so used to it. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like if you if you were born in the
Speaker 1: dark and at nighttime, wouldn't bother you, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? So to live for it, I always
Speaker 1: think it's not going to kill me, even though some
Speaker 1: dumb things that I do nearly do kill me. But
Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's not gonna kill me. It's
Speaker 1: like the cold, you know, like you get up in
Speaker 1: the morning and camp or whatever, and no one wants
Speaker 1: to get out of their sleeping bag, and then you
Speaker 1: get out and just your underwear and you walk around
Speaker 1: the snow. It's like, it's not going to kill me.
Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna put clothes on soon. It's fine. It's
Speaker 1: just that a little bit of discomfort. Yeah, should but
Speaker 1: then just the willingness to to run at it right
Speaker 1: rather than just oh, there it is. There's danger over there.
Speaker 1: I can avoid that and I'll be fine over here.
Speaker 1: But you know, even when you and I hunt in
Speaker 1: New Zealand together, you know you're getting close to to
Speaker 1: are that I probably would have everyone went after Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd be like that's too far. Oh man, I can't
Speaker 1: go across that shell. I can't barracock class a shell
Speaker 1: cliff and running cross and use and pipe over and
Speaker 1: shoot a tar. I won't even go over there. And
Speaker 1: I remember watching you're hearing stories about you going and
Speaker 1: doing those things and thinking that's a different mindset. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a different willingness. Yeah, it definitely is. I UM.
Speaker 1: A lot of people ask me about, you know, how
Speaker 1: like how am I regularly successful because I'm not a
Speaker 1: great shot. I'm a good shot. I'm not a great shot,
Speaker 1: but it's the time that I put in and go
Speaker 1: into places that other people probably won't regularly go that,
Speaker 1: you know. I always put it down to that, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm good at reading animals, I'm good at getting into
Speaker 1: places you know that are like well in the back
Speaker 1: country and things like that. And I put a lot
Speaker 1: of my success down to, you know, go on that
Speaker 1: extra mile. Yeah, no, I would agree with that. Well,
Speaker 1: when you were you had a tough charterhood. Let put
Speaker 1: it that way, right, I mean, we've talked about this.
Speaker 1: She told me a story you know, early probably last
Speaker 1: year and year before, and it stuck with me for
Speaker 1: a while because I thought, shit, like is as great
Speaker 1: as your life is right now? There is so much
Speaker 1: learning that everyone could do from what you went through prior.
Speaker 1: Where were you're born? How did the start giving your
Speaker 1: early early life? Yes, I was born in Newcastle in
Speaker 1: New South Wales, Australia. That's pretty much where we've lived
Speaker 1: for the last few years as well. And but my
Speaker 1: parents had uh, their job was like caretaking big ranches,
Speaker 1: like we call them stations in Australia, but big ranches.
Speaker 1: And uh. But my father had a little bit of
Speaker 1: a different childhood than me. He had a good like
Speaker 1: my grandfather was a brilliant man and my name, you know,
Speaker 1: very loving people. But I think my father grew up
Speaker 1: around some bad alcoholics and you know, maybe a little
Speaker 1: bit of mental illness in the family as well. There's
Speaker 1: an uncle of mine, uncle Chas, and uh, I was like,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you one of the stories so you sort
Speaker 1: of understand where this man is. But there's a family
Speaker 1: barbecue and like the whole family is over there, and
Speaker 1: my uncle Chas is cooking on the barbecue and they
Speaker 1: have like a little fox terrier like a dog, and
Speaker 1: it runs around it barks a couple of times, and
Speaker 1: no one thinks anything of it, like whoop to do.
Speaker 1: It's just the dog having a bark. And the next
Speaker 1: time the dog runs past him, he picks it up
Speaker 1: by the back legs and swings it over his head
Speaker 1: and cracks it cracks its head on the concrete and
Speaker 1: kills the dog. Like it's like that there's something wrong there,
Speaker 1: like something that guy is not wired properly. I've never
Speaker 1: had anything to do with him, but my father did.
Speaker 1: I think it was around him a lot. And my
Speaker 1: father sort of real bad alcoholic and got into it
Speaker 1: for like I still don't know that, you know, the
Speaker 1: reason or explanation is a part of mental illness or
Speaker 1: what it is. But um so my dad just alcohol
Speaker 1: really bad and then in return he'd get really violent
Speaker 1: against my mother or asked kids, and and another one.
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example of my father. He come
Speaker 1: back drink and this is when we lived like in
Speaker 1: rural New South Wales, like out in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 1: He comes back drinking from the country pub and a
Speaker 1: dog that we had, gipsy. She just had a litter
Speaker 1: of pups and the pups were yelling every now and then,
Speaker 1: and my mom my dad comes home. My mother's mother's
Speaker 1: crying over my father not returning when he was supposed
Speaker 1: to return and comes back drunk and violent, and he
Speaker 1: thinks it's the dogs, you know. And this is like
Speaker 1: I'm like five or six years old, and he walks
Speaker 1: out to the back door with the gun and like
Speaker 1: shoots all the puppies like in front of me and
Speaker 1: my oldest sister, my younger sister wasn't born yet. And
Speaker 1: but it just goes to show how, you know, that
Speaker 1: sort of violent that man was and us kids, and
Speaker 1: I'm going through that violent with him. You know, we
Speaker 1: weren't shot, but basically were the puppies yelping. And then
Speaker 1: as I got a bit older, because he ended up
Speaker 1: being in and out of jail for like violence and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So I sort of grew up without
Speaker 1: a father figure from about seven years old onwards. Um,
Speaker 1: And I actually was probably going into a dark place
Speaker 1: myself as I was, you know, hitting my lady teens
Speaker 1: and things like that, and I started going camping more
Speaker 1: and like fishing, like outdoors things, and I just you know,
Speaker 1: just I don't know. It was my escape, was how
Speaker 1: I got away from you, even my own miserable thoughts,
Speaker 1: let alone someone I didn't want my life, because what
Speaker 1: that does when a family separates, especially in Australia, puts
Speaker 1: you in another worst place. You know, if you're a
Speaker 1: single mother with three kids, like my mom, she had
Speaker 1: to live in like really a really cheap community like
Speaker 1: basically what you have in America as the projects we
Speaker 1: live in, housing commissions and generally those those areas, like
Speaker 1: those towns or suburbs. It's all housing commission, so it
Speaker 1: puts a certain person people in that area, you know,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of violence. And I set it
Speaker 1: on someone else's podcast that before I was like third
Speaker 1: or fourteen years old, I'd witnessed murder, rape, suicide on
Speaker 1: multiple occasions and stuff like that. And one of the cases,
Speaker 1: I was actually the only witness to a rape that
Speaker 1: had happened. It happened at my house, and the girl
Speaker 1: she didn't want to come forward. She was so embarrassed
Speaker 1: about it what had happened. And that guy end up
Speaker 1: getting off scott free. Nothing ever happened to him. Say anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, it's like if you grew up
Speaker 1: not eating your vegetables, you know, that's for your like
Speaker 1: physical health. When you grow up in an environment like that,
Speaker 1: that's your mental health. You know. It's like you're not
Speaker 1: getting fed vegetables for the brain seeing all that violence
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But how I came out of
Speaker 1: it really was for you know, originally the outdoors and
Speaker 1: especially you know, bow hunting, Like I just bo hunt,
Speaker 1: as you know, because it would take me deeper into
Speaker 1: the woods. You know, it would ground me further to
Speaker 1: you know, the outdoors, and that really helped me. And
Speaker 1: then obviously you know, meeting Kim and because I grew
Speaker 1: up very simple, where I just I want, like wanted
Speaker 1: a couple of things. You know, it was like a
Speaker 1: four drive to go for driving, like get me outdoors,
Speaker 1: and you know, I wanted the wife and my own
Speaker 1: family so I could prove to myself more than anyone
Speaker 1: that I wasn't my father. You know, I wasn't that
Speaker 1: violent drunk. And I don't drink still to this day
Speaker 1: because of you know, even though I'm not like I
Speaker 1: did drink a little bit in my teens. Even though
Speaker 1: I'm not a violent drunk, I'm a happy drunk. It's
Speaker 1: it turned me off drinking so much because I would
Speaker 1: see my father go from the best man that I
Speaker 1: knew to the worst man that I knew through drinking,
Speaker 1: you know, and looked like it was that sweet. She
Speaker 1: has an actual problem with drinking. Like I'm not saying
Speaker 1: everyone does, because lots of people drink and they're absolutely
Speaker 1: fine on it. But my father does something that switches
Speaker 1: a different switch where he becomes you know, he's got
Speaker 1: to turn the violence. And yeah, and you spent time
Speaker 1: on the street time homeless. I was homeless. I was
Speaker 1: homeless when I was fourteen years old, so like fourteen fifteen,
Speaker 1: I was homeless. And I end up going and living
Speaker 1: with a very loving auntie of mine and she put
Speaker 1: me back in school and things like that, and it
Speaker 1: was just a much better environment. But um, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just kept slipping off the train tracks and you know,
Speaker 1: sort of once I could just walk out and go
Speaker 1: hunting myself, that that made the big difference. And then obviously, Kim,
Speaker 1: the kids, do you know, do you ever feel like
Speaker 1: in their situations where you I mean, I think I
Speaker 1: know the answer. This your there's some desperation to get out,
Speaker 1: I mean, is that's your daily motivation or you feel
Speaker 1: like this is my life and I'm you know, you
Speaker 1: didn't accept where you were. Obviously, I was just happy
Speaker 1: with where I was and to the point where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I would constantly think I only live once. This is
Speaker 1: another waste a day. You're in the trash. You don't
Speaker 1: want to be here, you know, And then when you
Speaker 1: get put in a position like that, you know, like
Speaker 1: where you don't have finances, you don't have food things
Speaker 1: like that, because like talking about living on the streets,
Speaker 1: you don't have time to think about those better things
Speaker 1: like going outdoors, you know, or finding a good girl
Speaker 1: or something like that, you know, or benefiting your life
Speaker 1: as in getting the job and things like that. There's
Speaker 1: only enough time in the day to think about when
Speaker 1: my next meal coming, When am I sleeping tonight? How
Speaker 1: am I keeping warm? You know, And there's all dangers
Speaker 1: that come on living on the streets. There's other people
Speaker 1: on the streets as well. There's other people that try
Speaker 1: and rob you and all sorts of things, you know,
Speaker 1: So it's like there's you don't have the comfort to
Speaker 1: think of how you're going to benefit your life, you know,
Speaker 1: in the long term, it's just how am I benefiting
Speaker 1: my life today? Because you're hungry, you know, Like you
Speaker 1: don't realize is how good it is eat food until
Speaker 1: you're starving, hungry to a point that you can't go
Speaker 1: and get it. Like if we're hungry now, we'll walk
Speaker 1: next door getting something from the cafe. When we bring
Speaker 1: it to take all that away where you don't have
Speaker 1: money to buy food, you know, you don't have hunting
Speaker 1: or you don't live on the land to just go
Speaker 1: and get food. And that's why I think it's also
Speaker 1: so so appealing to be able to go out now
Speaker 1: today and you know, go and shoot a deer and
Speaker 1: have meat or even if it's like bush tucker or
Speaker 1: food you know from the forest, whatever it is, berries
Speaker 1: or something. That's why that's so appealing and feels good
Speaker 1: because I've been at the complete opposite and when there's
Speaker 1: when there's nothing on the street. Yeah, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's got to change, you. I mean, there's no way
Speaker 1: it doesn't it. Especially. I always like to talk about perspective,
Speaker 1: like wilderness provides, you know, unique perspectives. Places you've gone,
Speaker 1: things that are you and I've done together, provide perspective
Speaker 1: on being here. You're sitting in traffic, You're like, no problem. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at least at least my kids are in the back screaming.
Speaker 1: At least they're there. This is actually non an issue.
Speaker 1: This there's something not to be upset about, you know,
Speaker 1: like yeah, and that's what why you know, you're that
Speaker 1: part of your story is as important as your current state,
Speaker 1: because your ability to be happy, I think is and
Speaker 1: my observation has drilled down into your perspective on life
Speaker 1: and what it could be, definitely what it was for you.
Speaker 1: And I think our modern society lacks some fucking perspective.
Speaker 1: I think there's there's just this whole culture that just
Speaker 1: takes everything for granted, you know, like it's even a
Speaker 1: light switch, fresh water out of the tap, you know,
Speaker 1: and you only need to go for it. You don't
Speaker 1: have to live on the streets. You just need to
Speaker 1: go for a trip to Africa like Mosa Beagle, Zimbabwe
Speaker 1: or somewhere like that, you know, and you're going to
Speaker 1: these villages where they don't have money to buy a
Speaker 1: blanket when it's cold. But even if they did have money,
Speaker 1: there's no one making blankets. There's no there's no there's
Speaker 1: no reality where it gets warmer for you via blanket. Now,
Speaker 1: when we went to Nepaul, it was much like that.
Speaker 1: You just realized that this guy we had the example
Speaker 1: I always uses, there was a gut chopping down this
Speaker 1: giant oak tree, this giant live oak tree. I mean
Speaker 1: it's big round as his table, and he was just
Speaker 1: had an old rusty axe and he was whacking this tree.
Speaker 1: And I thought, this dude has no concept of a chainsaw,
Speaker 1: and no one around here is even seen a chainsaw.
Speaker 1: And here this guy is. That's just his life. He
Speaker 1: gets up in the morning, it chops at this tree
Speaker 1: for probably twelve hours. He goes home and sleeps in
Speaker 1: the dirt. Aference, it's still probably playing the flute in
Speaker 1: the morning, dancing around at night, happy as ever. Like
Speaker 1: the human condition, that human condition is way simpler and
Speaker 1: there's no existential freaking, you know, problems like we have
Speaker 1: in our world. So I think maybe that's why I'm
Speaker 1: happy doing is the what could be considered the misery
Speaker 1: of the world as well, because it's like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: happy doing this. I'm definitely happy to turn on the lights,
Speaker 1: which flushing a toilet. Well, there's like a voluntary misery.
Speaker 1: Is you get perspective on voluntary misery when you've had
Speaker 1: it forced upon you, Yeah, exactly, when you don't have anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: going out and intentionally not having anything as an exercise
Speaker 1: and like mental health, yeah definitely. Yeah. I always feel
Speaker 1: like it's like physical for the brain. You know, you
Speaker 1: go through these different challenges and you know, voluntary toughness,
Speaker 1: you know, where you're going out into the wild and
Speaker 1: just you know, sometimes maybe experiencing things that you weren't
Speaker 1: playing on it, but you just deal with it, you know,
Speaker 1: you put the puzzle together and you deal with it,
Speaker 1: and then it's like a yes, yes I did. Constant winds,
Speaker 1: they're like constant Mount Everest that you conquer. No, I
Speaker 1: was just we're just had change during the last time
Speaker 1: we were hunting in Hawaii and him and I sitting
Speaker 1: up on this vista looking down across this area beautiful
Speaker 1: are and I think both at the same time we
Speaker 1: just thought like, we are more comfortable here. We're more
Speaker 1: happy and enjoy here in a place where we don't
Speaker 1: have and inside we don't sleep in a tent. We're
Speaker 1: eating kind of what we kill and whatever we brought.
Speaker 1: But we're way more comfortable here. That's sitting in the
Speaker 1: Russia definitely chains a specially human eye. Yeah, especially here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's amazing, dude. And then you and I have been
Speaker 1: through that in New Zealand, Like I mean, there's just
Speaker 1: there's just a different feeling and you're just a tap
Speaker 1: you're freaking human being. Yeah. Yesterday, me and Kim more
Speaker 1: of a tourist location, but myself, Kim and the kids
Speaker 1: were at the boiling River and yellow Stone there, and
Speaker 1: so it's like where the the waters like boiling out
Speaker 1: of the ground like third degree burns if you stick
Speaker 1: your hand in it. And it's running into that freezing
Speaker 1: cold like ice melt and stuff, you know, coming out
Speaker 1: of yellow Stone, and there's the mix of the water
Speaker 1: and you're get in the right place and it's just
Speaker 1: the perfect temperature, like sitting in the hot bath and
Speaker 1: it's hailing, like we're in there with all the kids.
Speaker 1: It's hailing the hail and you know, it's absolutely freezing,
Speaker 1: but it's like only on our heads. The rest of
Speaker 1: our bodies underwater. And then you've got like this unbelievable
Speaker 1: landscape the whole way around your snow cap mountains. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm just jaggedy as anything. And we both sort of
Speaker 1: looked at each other and we're just like have a
Speaker 1: think where we are and what we're doing right now,
Speaker 1: Like this is absolutely amazing, and it's like feel for
Speaker 1: the brain, you know, memories the last of lifetime. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you can do if you're in a position where
Speaker 1: you have the ability to do that, You're in this
Speaker 1: beautiful place and you start once or twice a day
Speaker 1: and just look around like, wait a minute, yeah, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, Yeah this is as good as it gets.
Speaker 1: Sure this coffee sucks. Sure, Sure, this coffee sucks. Sure,
Speaker 1: my shoelaces are out of my shoe. Funk around. How
Speaker 1: lucky are we? So get So you're we've covered the
Speaker 1: sort of the miserable part of your life and at
Speaker 1: some point things started to change. When when did you
Speaker 1: notice or when did you start to feel like your
Speaker 1: life was going in the direction and you felt necessary
Speaker 1: As soon as I started going out into the wilderness more,
Speaker 1: you know, that was a big part, because that starts
Speaker 1: to say that you're getting more comfortable in life as well.
Speaker 1: So I've got a job. I just I wanted to
Speaker 1: wanted to work towards having a good job, good income
Speaker 1: because I realized and this sort of sucks in our society.
Speaker 1: But unless you're living off the grid in some form,
Speaker 1: you know, and it usually takes money to even get
Speaker 1: to that point where you can live off the grid. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: you need a good job to do things in today's society,
Speaker 1: you know, especially if you want to travel the world.
Speaker 1: Things like that. You know, even if you want to
Speaker 1: travel your own country, fuel cost money, a cart cost money. Insurances,
Speaker 1: there's no matter what money capitalizing in some way against
Speaker 1: you because everything is starting to cost money. You go
Speaker 1: into yellow Stone, it costs to get paid to get
Speaker 1: in there. You gotta in this country, at least you've
Speaker 1: got to pay for tags and licensing and everything like that.
Speaker 1: So you do need a job, you know. And so
Speaker 1: I started working towards getting a job. And then and
Speaker 1: I had a couple of jobs just like I had.
Speaker 1: I worked at foot locker and and I was going
Speaker 1: to ask you to go through all your all your
Speaker 1: jobs prior to the one year. Well, actually I dropped
Speaker 1: out of school early because I got back in the
Speaker 1: school and mom and dad got back together somehow. I
Speaker 1: don't know freaking why or how that happened, but mom
Speaker 1: and dad got back together, and they, you know, I
Speaker 1: got back into schooling and stuff like that. I actually
Speaker 1: fell out of school because all those years have been
Speaker 1: in rural Australia, I didn't have a lot of schooling
Speaker 1: and I was actually deaf in one ear and they
Speaker 1: didn't know. They just thought I was disobedient in the class.
Speaker 1: Actually couldn't hear what the teacher was saying. And it
Speaker 1: was really tough schooling when I did go, because there
Speaker 1: was like one classroom because like very remote, so all
Speaker 1: the country kids would come in and it was like
Speaker 1: I think there was like kids in the one school
Speaker 1: and of all different grades. So the teacher just come
Speaker 1: and spend a bit of time view or give you
Speaker 1: a little bit of paperwork if you're old enough to
Speaker 1: read and whatnot. They thought I was really disobedient, but
Speaker 1: I just couldn't hear because they didn't pick up that
Speaker 1: I was completely different one here, and so I lacked
Speaker 1: in a lot of schooling and end up dropping out
Speaker 1: because I just couldn't catch up, and um, where was
Speaker 1: I even going with this? I just started thinking about this. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I dropped out of school and went landscaping, and I
Speaker 1: went from landscaping to fencing, you know, like domestic fencing
Speaker 1: wooden timber fences and stuff like that. And through that
Speaker 1: I actually learned to worked really hard because I was
Speaker 1: on like you'd get paid per lineal meter and it
Speaker 1: was like peanuts. It was like a dollar fifty or
Speaker 1: lineal meter, so that nail gun had to be going
Speaker 1: off like an a k. You know, I had to
Speaker 1: be gone for anyway. I learned and I was making
Speaker 1: good money out of it, and the building game sort
Speaker 1: of crashed a bit, and I'm getting the job at
Speaker 1: foot Locker, and I ended up meeting Kim. She worked
Speaker 1: at Super, so that like that all worked like in
Speaker 1: the mall. You guys meant yeah, in the mall, but
Speaker 1: I hated it because we ain't jumping over that. Uh well,
Speaker 1: you met at the mall. There's like at the food court.
Speaker 1: But so I was my little sister's guardian when I
Speaker 1: was like eighteen, and actually before I was even legal.
Speaker 1: I was like an unlawful guardian because my mother had
Speaker 1: left to another city and my sister they didn't get
Speaker 1: along at all. So end up looking after my little sister.
Speaker 1: But I couldn't give her any money for lunch or
Speaker 1: anything because she spend it on smokes or some that
Speaker 1: she didn't need. So on my lunch break, I would
Speaker 1: go and give her some money for lunch or take
Speaker 1: lunch to her. And she was actually at Super and
Speaker 1: Kim was the boss there. She was the manager. I
Speaker 1: just went in and seen this good looking blonde girl
Speaker 1: or whatever, and yeah, I've never been shy, and I
Speaker 1: just asked her out straight away and she sort of
Speaker 1: freaked out, she just met me or whatever, and then yeah,
Speaker 1: we end up going out for dinner that night, and
Speaker 1: we're actually pretty much been together ever since that first night.
Speaker 1: A Kim and her background was not it was a
Speaker 1: little more stable than your est. Definitely came out of
Speaker 1: car already sort of thing. And she wasn't a le
Speaker 1: guardian of anyone yet, she wasn't a guardian of her siblings,
Speaker 1: but um, and then it was like meeting the Brady Bunch,
Speaker 1: like Kim's family, you know, like going back and like
Speaker 1: you know, roast meat and like roast vegetables and beautiful
Speaker 1: cooked meal and like no swearing in the house, and
Speaker 1: the house clean and tidy and in a good location,
Speaker 1: and like it was like actually really foreign to me,
Speaker 1: you know, and that wasn't appealing, Like it's not like,
Speaker 1: that's not why I chased Kim. That wasn't the appealing part.
Speaker 1: I had no idea, but you know, as things turned out,
Speaker 1: you know, Kim comes from a broken family as well,
Speaker 1: where parents are separated and things like that, but you know,
Speaker 1: like still absolutely lovely family, just on a different level
Speaker 1: of no violence or anything like that, and just really
Speaker 1: comfortable household and yeah, now we're married and years series
Speaker 1: have been together for that long. That's I'm thirty eight,
Speaker 1: so twenty years. Don't let her know, you're not sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah so, but yes. I and up working at foot
Speaker 1: locker and I hated because they pushed sales. I hated.
Speaker 1: It was like lying to someone like, oh, you look
Speaker 1: really good in those shoes. You should buy a pair
Speaker 1: of socks and the shoes. Yeah, you know what you
Speaker 1: need with those shoes, say, yeah, multi sales. I couldn't
Speaker 1: do that. I didn't sit right with me at all.
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. And there was no money. It
Speaker 1: was peanuts and we weren't going anywhere. And then I started.
Speaker 1: I went back into construction and I started my own
Speaker 1: business in Canberra, which is the capital of Australia. And
Speaker 1: same it was like the that's the whole building industry
Speaker 1: and in Australia like booms and drops and booms and drops,
Speaker 1: and it's like you never had a comfortable income. And
Speaker 1: it was like we'd pay for the bills for that
Speaker 1: month and you'd be left with zero dollars, like maybe
Speaker 1: a bit of fuel to go somewhere, and we'd travel
Speaker 1: and when I say travel I only mean like three
Speaker 1: or four hours somewhere and come back. And Western Australia
Speaker 1: had all these jobs advertised because the mining was booming
Speaker 1: in Western Australia. And and I've going to going over
Speaker 1: to Western Australia, like a big move that's like a
Speaker 1: three or four day drive from where I lived in Nothing,
Speaker 1: and it is like there's like the city of Perth
Speaker 1: and then nothing, just the picturesque coastline where the desert
Speaker 1: runs into beautiful water. And I'm trying to talk to
Speaker 1: you and Ronnella in the coming over. It's such a
Speaker 1: beautiful destination. But um yeah. And then we went over
Speaker 1: there and all the good money that was advertised wasn't
Speaker 1: that good, and it was the same we'll just make
Speaker 1: an ends meet and all actually even fallen behind a bit.
Speaker 1: But then right up north in Western Australia, so like
Speaker 1: the Northwest, where it's like like I mean remote, like
Speaker 1: eighteen hours drive without com pass any sort of city
Speaker 1: or decent sort of population. And we went up there
Speaker 1: and the money was a little bit better, but not great.
Speaker 1: And I was doing all these big hunts as well,
Speaker 1: and I would go away from work, so I would
Speaker 1: go hunting for a week. That was no income for
Speaker 1: a week. You know, we just we've had Hunter and
Speaker 1: my eldest and I think, um, we'll plan on having
Speaker 1: other kids. And it's like this just isn't working. And
Speaker 1: I started thinking, what are you gotta do? Well, you
Speaker 1: gotta start your own business. You've got to have something
Speaker 1: where when you step away, you know, the will keeps
Speaker 1: rolling and money keeps coming in. And that's why you
Speaker 1: end up doing it and starting my business. And you know,
Speaker 1: I worked very hard at it, and there was a
Speaker 1: good period there where I did very little hunting, got
Speaker 1: a little rolling, and then you know, now it sort
Speaker 1: of runs itself and I can go away, and you know,
Speaker 1: everyone's like, how do you get sponsored? How do you
Speaker 1: get sponsored? You sponsor yourself because you're spending and not
Speaker 1: spending your own money, Like you get yourself out there,
Speaker 1: yourself out there. But that's the like, I think that's
Speaker 1: key to your success story, the story of your life.
Speaker 1: The kid of how you have successes is you got
Speaker 1: to a point where you're paying bills and you had
Speaker 1: a family you cared about, and then fairly quickly, quickly
Speaker 1: than quicker than most people, he turned around to having
Speaker 1: a very successful business that allows you to provide for
Speaker 1: that family in a way that you've never been provided
Speaker 1: for and do what you wanted to do, do what
Speaker 1: you were passionate, which is hang out with them and
Speaker 1: go huh like that's you're not even forty. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and some years ago you were you know, in poverty
Speaker 1: on the street, broke as a bit. So I think
Speaker 1: that's to me, that's important for people to know about
Speaker 1: you and so understand, you know, no matter how hard
Speaker 1: something might seem, that it can quickly turn into something
Speaker 1: pretty kick ass. Yeah, I'm glad I did it that way. Now,
Speaker 1: now that it's done with, it's easy to say, like,
Speaker 1: I'm glad I owned it that way because I appreciate
Speaker 1: everything so much, you know, and I don't take anything
Speaker 1: for granted. And I realized how lucky I am, and
Speaker 1: I realized how quickly I could go back to that
Speaker 1: as well, you know, because just nothing's might up in
Speaker 1: this world. You know, I didn't know what tomorrow holds.
Speaker 1: But that's another reason why I'm so happy for today.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I don't know if you're like me,
Speaker 1: but now my kids don't got one kid, but he's
Speaker 1: getting older, and I'm I stay up at Nate sometime
Speaker 1: just thinking about like what his futures are going to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that's on me. That is on me to make
Speaker 1: sure that thing is good. Yeah, definitely. And you've only
Speaker 1: got so long to influence, I mean, you know, And
Speaker 1: that's like my biggest fear is the future and my kids,
Speaker 1: you know. And it's like I'm not a person that
Speaker 1: fears much or thinks about much, but I'm just like, like,
Speaker 1: I worry for our future generation. I definitely do, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's like and and kids will trip you out
Speaker 1: because they're they're not you. They're not you. They are
Speaker 1: to a certain age. And then it's like who are
Speaker 1: they hanging out with? Though, because it's hard to monitor
Speaker 1: him in school and things like that. And so far,
Speaker 1: we've been very lucky that I hunting My eldest son,
Speaker 1: who's in high school. He's just gotten in with a
Speaker 1: good crowd, you know, like the other kids at school.
Speaker 1: We met them all and things like that that he
Speaker 1: hangs with, and they're seemed to be really sensible. And
Speaker 1: you know, I remember when I was growing up, there
Speaker 1: was some real shotty kids at school, you know, like
Speaker 1: there was kids that are already sort of into doing
Speaker 1: drugs and things like that. And it's like, and I was,
Speaker 1: I sort of fell in with that crowd for a
Speaker 1: while as well, you know, and I'm just lucky that I'm,
Speaker 1: you know, a strong minded person that I could sort
Speaker 1: of get out of that. And I did because I
Speaker 1: was like, yes, this it's constant drama. There's something constantly happening,
Speaker 1: you know, I think I do you call it wag
Speaker 1: school here where you skip school? Yeah, Like I skipped
Speaker 1: school for like twenty nine days in a row when
Speaker 1: I was in high school, and every day was just
Speaker 1: going out of these kids and getting up the mischief
Speaker 1: and and I suppose there was a little bit of
Speaker 1: peer pressure there, you know, to keep doing that, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's like they're my friends and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And then somewhere along the lawn, I just went, I've
Speaker 1: got to stop hanging with this crowd. I've got to
Speaker 1: stop doing this. How do you I've had My dad
Speaker 1: tells the story that somewhere during college, because I was
Speaker 1: always a C plus B plus two, I was always
Speaker 1: the dumbest kid in smart class, or the kid that
Speaker 1: didn't apply himself in the smart class. Somewhere during college,
Speaker 1: I think I walked up with my dad. I'm like, listen, man,
Speaker 1: I'm tired of this bullshit. I'm gonna get all as
Speaker 1: from now, like I'm just gonna now. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: apply myself because I'm tired of what has been happening
Speaker 1: in my life. And I did. And he's tells that
Speaker 1: story like I don't remember that, but he does. And um,
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of friends that my hometown back
Speaker 1: in Maryland is basically is straight up heroin den like Opie,
Speaker 1: it's our problem. And I've got half a dozen friends
Speaker 1: that are either in jail or dead from high school
Speaker 1: or earlier on. I always think about, like those guys
Speaker 1: were me, We were this. We grew up in the
Speaker 1: same place with with both all with you know, good parents,
Speaker 1: in the same little area. But some of them, like
Speaker 1: I took, I decided not to when they didn't decide
Speaker 1: not to. Do you think everyone? Do you think everyone
Speaker 1: can make that decision? But they don't. Because That's what
Speaker 1: I struggle with because so many people grow up like
Speaker 1: I do, and they just followed their fathers or their
Speaker 1: mother's footsteps exactly the same. Like how did I get
Speaker 1: to veer off? How did I make the decision? I
Speaker 1: don't want to be like that, but other people don't
Speaker 1: because it seems like everyone would be aware that this
Speaker 1: isn't a good lof style. Yeah, no, everybody. I think
Speaker 1: everybody is aware that these environments are negative. When you're
Speaker 1: in them, you're aware. And I wasn't in a negative environment,
Speaker 1: but drugs were around. Things are around, and I knew
Speaker 1: if I continue down this road it's not good. But
Speaker 1: some people, I wonder if it's just a space and
Speaker 1: time thing. You think, this is a stage of my life,
Speaker 1: this is fun right now, these are my people right now.
Speaker 1: I'll eventually get out of it. And then you never
Speaker 1: do you die or you go to prison, or that
Speaker 1: becomes your life and you can't get out. And some
Speaker 1: people start and think, wait a minute, this is there's
Speaker 1: a turning point here in my life. I can either
Speaker 1: go down this path and it can be it can
Speaker 1: become my life and it's going to be shipped, or
Speaker 1: I can turn things around. There's definitely a recipe that
Speaker 1: puts you into that position. And it's like when you
Speaker 1: are living off welfare or something like that that there's
Speaker 1: a lot more negativity around you, and it seems it's
Speaker 1: like the easy way out, like well, I'll just take
Speaker 1: drugs or whatever, or there's a recipe there that pushes
Speaker 1: people into that position, you know, And like I just
Speaker 1: always struggle with that. I'm because I'm no better than
Speaker 1: anyone else. But how how do they make that decision?
Speaker 1: I want to know what it takes, what it talked
Speaker 1: to make that decision, And if everyone can make it,
Speaker 1: then why aren't they? Because that's not a future that's
Speaker 1: good for anybody. And the odds are stacked against you.
Speaker 1: In your situation, the odds were absolutely stacked against I mean,
Speaker 1: and then the odds were not in my position. I was,
Speaker 1: my parents were well off, we lived in the suburbs.
Speaker 1: The odds were not stacked against me. I mean, I
Speaker 1: could have gone the way that some of my friends went, um,
Speaker 1: but none of our odds were stacked up like yours were.
Speaker 1: But there's many many people in situations just like you
Speaker 1: were that either don't see the way out or just
Speaker 1: don't have the fortitude to take it or make the past.
Speaker 1: I always feel like there's there's something mentally going on,
Speaker 1: you know, where wherever it's a little bit mentally stronger
Speaker 1: or something. But I'm very like, I'm always very headstrong,
Speaker 1: you know, like that one voice if something inside my
Speaker 1: head says I can't do it, fuck you, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give up my best and if I die doing it
Speaker 1: like that sort of headstrong, and I you know, my
Speaker 1: I spent my last well, I spent a long time
Speaker 1: in my life being or not people like you and
Speaker 1: people like Rogan and just very successful people. And you
Speaker 1: start to see similarities, and that's one of them. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: that's one of them. There's just this unrelenting need to
Speaker 1: climb the mountain, climb that even if the mountain is
Speaker 1: way taller than you can even see, it's like, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna keep climbing. Yeah, And then eventually gets at
Speaker 1: the top and some people start halfway up and they
Speaker 1: don't know. I probably couldn't even explain it to you. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't do that. I think I've quit, like on
Speaker 1: two or three things in my whole life. One of
Speaker 1: those things I always tell this story was um and
Speaker 1: I don't mean like quitting as in, you didn't kill
Speaker 1: an elk, so you're still up in the mountains two
Speaker 1: years later, especially in land and frigging Montana. But I
Speaker 1: mean as in, if you're planned a twenty day hunt,
Speaker 1: there's a good chance and I'm unsuccessful, there's a good
Speaker 1: chance I'll come out on twenty one or twenty two
Speaker 1: and miss my flights and whatever else. But one time
Speaker 1: was I had Laura's era and she's like a survivalist.
Speaker 1: She's like she's kicked us and makeing the fends and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and it's like wet and raining, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, now is the perfect time to try and
Speaker 1: start a fire with sticks rubbing sticks together. So like
Speaker 1: I've been going to that for like twenty minutes, and
Speaker 1: I found like a shoulder bone of like a deer,
Speaker 1: and I had that as the weight pushing down. I
Speaker 1: made my little bow and it was darkened up the
Speaker 1: timber and it was getting hot. And she comes over
Speaker 1: in like ten fifteen minutes. She's got this roaring fire
Speaker 1: going like she makes his bow and she's like, and
Speaker 1: that's what she does. And I've done it plenty of
Speaker 1: times before, but not with hardwood like the Austrain hardwood,
Speaker 1: and not when it's wet and damp like that. And
Speaker 1: I'm going at it for like two and a half
Speaker 1: three hours, cramped over my legs and cramped my backs
Speaker 1: because you're like running the you know, like a string
Speaker 1: saw the whole time rubbing the stick. And that was
Speaker 1: like the first time I'd ever given up on something
Speaker 1: that I wanted to do. And I remember that. I'll
Speaker 1: never forget that because it was like, literally it's like ship,
Speaker 1: I'm actually going to give up because my friend Andrews,
Speaker 1: all my kids, they were all packed up, they're ready
Speaker 1: to leave, and I still had them sitting there for
Speaker 1: like an hour. I'm trying to get it going on,
Speaker 1: like I have to give up. This is now not
Speaker 1: fun for anyone. And I gave up on light in
Speaker 1: that fire, you know, And I'll never forget that. I
Speaker 1: can't remember what the second or third thing was. But
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is there's something in my head that
Speaker 1: won't let me give up. You know who will say like,
Speaker 1: if you don't do this, you're useless. Don't give up,
Speaker 1: don't give up. And I can never break a promise.
Speaker 1: If I promise you something, then I'm coming through. Well,
Speaker 1: like I said that, our society in the situation you're
Speaker 1: in coming up and even daily like you're offered ways out.
Speaker 1: Technology is a way out um many of our minern
Speaker 1: ways that communicates a way out. You could literally live.
Speaker 1: You can live in a house and never leave it
Speaker 1: and be a successful person in our society. So there's
Speaker 1: many ways out, and it's like are you willing to
Speaker 1: take them or not? You know, there's welfare, there's people,
Speaker 1: people will pay your way if you you can gain
Speaker 1: the system. The system is gamable for sure, Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: But if you're just unwilling to just yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like a way to live a very fulfilled life,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's like my goal is to live
Speaker 1: a very fulfilled life and bring as many people along
Speaker 1: as I can for them. You know. I was talking
Speaker 1: to someone about this the other day, and it was
Speaker 1: the guys that Mountaknops where you know, if you can
Speaker 1: do good, you've sort of got to look after yourself first, right.
Speaker 1: You get yourself in such a way that you're comfortable,
Speaker 1: and then you know, and then you can bring your
Speaker 1: wife in or your girlfriend, you can bring your kids in,
Speaker 1: and and you get to a point where you can
Speaker 1: look after all your immediate family and friends, you know,
Speaker 1: so it's like they're all happy like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: a big positive circle and you bring everyone in. Then
Speaker 1: you know, if you've looked after all those and in
Speaker 1: my position, then I can start looking after other people too,
Speaker 1: you know, and do and you've done this, you know,
Speaker 1: anyone in our position can do this. Where it's like
Speaker 1: the you know, I've got to keep it clean at
Speaker 1: the moment where where I'm giving away pretty much all
Speaker 1: of my hunting gear that I've used this season, I'm
Speaker 1: giving away all of my hunting gear for anyone that
Speaker 1: gets random pretty much randomly picked for picking up rubbish
Speaker 1: from in the back country. Because one thing I've noticed,
Speaker 1: and it drives me nuts, is you go back into
Speaker 1: days beautiful you know, Christine places, and then there's like
Speaker 1: a beer can for one of those bloody helium things
Speaker 1: or whatever, and it's like fun, this so doesn't belong here,
Speaker 1: you know, And so I can start spending energy on
Speaker 1: doing other things, you know, like promoting keep it clean. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I can start spending time on promoting anything,
Speaker 1: you know, a cause for cancer or anything like that.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, it's like it's it's still uh
Speaker 1: because we're trying to say it's like it's a selfish act,
Speaker 1: but it's not because then I feel good because I've
Speaker 1: done good, you know, if I can make someone else
Speaker 1: happy and things like that. So well, just because there's
Speaker 1: and I talked about this when we were announcing our
Speaker 1: new company here media drink about like you get up
Speaker 1: in the morning and why, like what's your why why
Speaker 1: are you doing what you're doing? And when it comes
Speaker 1: to creating stuff like this media, you know, you're social media,
Speaker 1: any any messaging where you're putting yourself outside to the world,
Speaker 1: it's like, do you care about the audience? Do you
Speaker 1: care about the people that would listen to that? And
Speaker 1: all and all of them in their totality? Like I care,
Speaker 1: I kind of know what my audience is. I understand
Speaker 1: that we share values, and I understand that we share
Speaker 1: a space and hunting and we share the outside world.
Speaker 1: And like, do do I care about you? Do I
Speaker 1: legitimately fucking care about you? Because if I don't, then
Speaker 1: this is all bullshit. This is all virtue signaling, and
Speaker 1: this is all me trying to look important and really special?
Speaker 1: Or do I really care about you? Do I really
Speaker 1: want you to? You know? I know you and I
Speaker 1: know that you care, and I know that your interest
Speaker 1: stories are a way to take people along and give
Speaker 1: them a window into what their life could be like
Speaker 1: or what they could get even if they I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to tell them to be hunters either. I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to say this is out there. I really enjoy
Speaker 1: it and benefit from it, you could too. And if
Speaker 1: you don't have about some understanding that this is where
Speaker 1: meat comes from, or this is beautiful and we need
Speaker 1: to keep this, you know, public, We need to keep
Speaker 1: this land, you know. We can't just keep laying concrete
Speaker 1: over top of ground, you know. And it's I don't know,
Speaker 1: it gets forgotten because there's people in the city that
Speaker 1: don't even know that exists. They don't even think about it.
Speaker 1: It's not part of their thought, you know. And that's
Speaker 1: and I care for the person that I've never ever
Speaker 1: met before. I care for the stranger on the street.
Speaker 1: I care for those people that are walking past this
Speaker 1: building right now. They look pretty cool, they look pretty cool,
Speaker 1: They're good. Yeah, you know, just we can. I just
Speaker 1: want everyone to be happy. And then I think part
Speaker 1: of that's the beauty of social media, but part of
Speaker 1: the problem is you constantly put yourself out there right,
Speaker 1: You're constantly messaging around the things you care about, and
Speaker 1: then it becomes oh, you get sponsored. It's a business,
Speaker 1: and those things start to come together in a weird
Speaker 1: way and people can start to think, well sold out
Speaker 1: or oh did this? Well? You like the word byproduct.
Speaker 1: It's just a byproduct of what I do, you know,
Speaker 1: and if that and it helps you do what I do,
Speaker 1: like it does, I'd do it anyway because I did.
Speaker 1: You were doing it before. Anybody gives way before. And
Speaker 1: I'm Australian. No one gives a funk about Australian. You know,
Speaker 1: That's what it's like, Like Australian has never heard of
Speaker 1: a sponsorship, a sponsored hunter. I do like blooming onions,
Speaker 1: you do, even though no one serves them in Australia.
Speaker 1: But whatever they But we're so stupid in America. What
Speaker 1: are we doing? Totally? But that's because I write artie
Speaker 1: calls for thirty years and I never took payment for
Speaker 1: a single article for thirty years because I just wanted
Speaker 1: to promote hunting in the outdoors. I just wanted people
Speaker 1: to see that. And what sucked about hunting magazines is
Speaker 1: hunters were buying those magazines and every now and then
Speaker 1: I'd write a strictly bow hunting magazines every now and
Speaker 1: then write an article for a shooting magazine like a
Speaker 1: gun magazine. I love those articles most, not because of
Speaker 1: what I wrote or anything like that, but because I
Speaker 1: knew there was guys that had never bow hunted before
Speaker 1: that would see the article and get bows and go
Speaker 1: out bowl hunting. And then, like Facebook sort of blew up.
Speaker 1: Facebook was good, but it was only my friends, Like
Speaker 1: I kept on Facebook pretty personal, and I started the
Speaker 1: business Facebook, and I'd noticed non hunters because they had
Speaker 1: asked questions. You knew they were non hunters, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I wish I buy my first bow, whereas this bowne goodness,
Speaker 1: Like that's awesome. People are getting into it, and now
Speaker 1: I've got a responsibility as well to promote it in
Speaker 1: a certain way, you know, eating the meat, practicing, making
Speaker 1: sure you do ethical shots, things like that. That started
Speaker 1: feeling good, Like that feels good. Anyone that says that
Speaker 1: doesn't feel good, well, I don't know what you're in
Speaker 1: it for. But that felt good to me. That I
Speaker 1: was getting to push my ethics, which I knew were good,
Speaker 1: onto other people, you know, because I'm not like one
Speaker 1: of these controversial figures where I pushed like spine shooting
Speaker 1: tear or something like that. It's like the textbook stuff.
Speaker 1: Then Instagram come along, you know, and obviously Rogue and
Speaker 1: blew me up on Instagram. But even before Rogan blew
Speaker 1: them out to have fifty people following, and I could
Speaker 1: put the word out on bo hunting or the outdoors
Speaker 1: or eating meat or whatever it was instantly and half
Speaker 1: of them weren't even in the hunting. Now let's do
Speaker 1: the other end. I reckon two hundred thousand followers of
Speaker 1: mine don't hunt, you know, and I get to put
Speaker 1: that word out, you know that they are. It's public lands,
Speaker 1: eating meat, you know, hunting, fishing everything. Did you ever
Speaker 1: feel yourself? I struggle with this and I'm open about
Speaker 1: it just because that's part of the reason I have
Speaker 1: this podcast so I can just talk through ship with people.
Speaker 1: But I really like in respect, but like, do you
Speaker 1: ever feel yourself? There's like a playbook, right, there's the
Speaker 1: hunting playbook. Why do you hunt? Well, here's the playbook? Right?
Speaker 1: We already we know conservation, our North American model, meet
Speaker 1: adventure from sustenance. I don't have one thing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: if that's where you're going. There's not one reason why
Speaker 1: just one reason why hunt, you know, there's many reasons
Speaker 1: why hunt, yeah, you know. And it's like it is,
Speaker 1: it's like eating meat, but sometimes I shoot things. We
Speaker 1: can't eat the meat, you know, and it's like predator control,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, it's just not predator control. It's
Speaker 1: that I'm an animal as well, and what I do
Speaker 1: is a hunt, you know. And it's like if and
Speaker 1: it depends where it is because some countries may not
Speaker 1: have this quite in check. But basically, if you're in
Speaker 1: America and there's a tag for something and there's science
Speaker 1: that's gone behind it, there's no wrong in hunting that animal.
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's there's nothing that you can do
Speaker 1: legally right in any of the countries that I've ever
Speaker 1: hunted in, like even Africa and stuff like that. And
Speaker 1: I know some people turn their nose up about hunting
Speaker 1: in Africa. It's still for a purpose hunting. Hunting has
Speaker 1: Hunters in the modern day have never hunted something where
Speaker 1: the numbers become endangered. It's actually quite opposite. Whatever gets
Speaker 1: hunted has a value, and numbers are increasing, you know,
Speaker 1: and I've had like obviously, I've had many arguments over
Speaker 1: the years, but one lady and I hardly ever get
Speaker 1: hunt from hate from anti hunters. Most of my hate
Speaker 1: comes from other hunters these days, where people have just
Speaker 1: got a difference of opinion or they you know, they've
Speaker 1: listened to some gossip or some crap like that. But
Speaker 1: this lady sent me a message and she was saying
Speaker 1: about her domestic pig, you know, like I can't believe
Speaker 1: you're in the hunting and stuff like that. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: you're actually talking about animal that doesn't get hunted. You're
Speaker 1: talking about a pink domestic pig. But the only reason
Speaker 1: that pink domestic pig is here today is because of
Speaker 1: human consumption. That's the only reason those cows are alive
Speaker 1: and have a life today is because of human consumption.
Speaker 1: And you're saying you want to take that away, like
Speaker 1: there's a much bigger picture here, right, There's a much
Speaker 1: bigger picture here. Those animals have lives and are here
Speaker 1: because the man the demand for meat. They get a
Speaker 1: life because of the demand for meat. You know, like
Speaker 1: if we put that at the human end, right and say, look,
Speaker 1: the world's overpopulated, no more humans, No one's lawed to
Speaker 1: have babies anymore. That's the nine My little girl, my
Speaker 1: kids life, they wouldn't be even be here today to
Speaker 1: have feelings and stuff like that. There's a much bigger
Speaker 1: picture here, and it goes way further than what someone's
Speaker 1: opinion or belief or something. Life way deeper. And then
Speaker 1: I I always like to say, if if we got
Speaker 1: all the bow hunters that follow you, are all like you,
Speaker 1: and all your bow hunting friends in the room, and
Speaker 1: we said, okay, here's the deal. Uh white tailed deer.
Speaker 1: You guys like him, you love him? Yeah, can't on
Speaker 1: him anymore? All right, fuck you. We're like, okay, let's
Speaker 1: get past that. Secondary to that, do you still care
Speaker 1: about them? Do you still want them around? I'm sure
Speaker 1: the answer would be yes. I am sure the answer
Speaker 1: would be yes. And I think that answers the question
Speaker 1: of do we value the animal beyond our ability to
Speaker 1: kill it? Do we value it? Because if you told
Speaker 1: me you can't hunt olk anymore, I would like, that's fine,
Speaker 1: but I would love for the elk population is just
Speaker 1: let's what's the solution? You better provide me another solution
Speaker 1: where the value is there, the money is there, the
Speaker 1: conservations efforts so there. That's better than the one we
Speaker 1: currently have, which is hunting in our model of conser
Speaker 1: asian um. But I truly believe. I do think about
Speaker 1: this the other day. I wonder about sometimes about some
Speaker 1: fisherman if you said, oh, hey, you can't catch those trout,
Speaker 1: would they would they still? I want to clean clean
Speaker 1: water clean that's true. What they care when they just
Speaker 1: go back wherever they came from. I don't know that question,
Speaker 1: not that big a fisherman, but I think our group
Speaker 1: feebly you and I know it would say yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I care, I care, and I want it to be this.
Speaker 1: Heapes the things that I don't hunt, but I still
Speaker 1: want around, love to see and but and but in
Speaker 1: your killing the hunt of the Pokey Point. And yesterday
Speaker 1: we see him on the road. As soon as I
Speaker 1: seen that, I slowed down for it and I was like,
Speaker 1: make sure he gets across the road. And I sort
Speaker 1: of like even parked across like double lines to make
Speaker 1: sure the avoca because he just couldn't buzz pass me.
Speaker 1: And I flashed him, let the porkey pon walked off
Speaker 1: and make him and the keys looks and he was like, five,
Speaker 1: that's so cool. That's it. I'm never going to hunt
Speaker 1: a porcupine. It's probably illegal to start with. I've got
Speaker 1: absolutely no interest in that, but I still want to
Speaker 1: see it. Saying for the bird life and everything like that,
Speaker 1: it just comes part and pass or with what we do.
Speaker 1: What's the difference from you between a porcupine and elk?
Speaker 1: Something you would hunt, something you wouldn't when you look
Speaker 1: at the animal itself, there's not. There's really not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't. And that's one thing I've talked to We've
Speaker 1: talked about two is how do we as hunters better
Speaker 1: communicate that we care about the entire eco systems are
Speaker 1: not just yeah, I've made a real point. I did
Speaker 1: it with the moose that I just shot in b
Speaker 1: C where because everyone wants to go straight through the antlers,
Speaker 1: and that's not just because you're a trophy hunter or
Speaker 1: something like that. You think about antlers, think about how
Speaker 1: amazing now are they grow in one season? Think about
Speaker 1: the size of them, how they are they stick off
Speaker 1: the head. They're very medieval. It's something that's bred into
Speaker 1: us as man. But I get to that moose and
Speaker 1: I'm like, look at this creature, Look at this beautiful creature.
Speaker 1: And I went The first thing I did was I
Speaker 1: went to its ears due because it's got these massive
Speaker 1: ears and they're so fluffy. And I looked at its nose.
Speaker 1: They've got a different nose. And then I went over
Speaker 1: its body like all the battle scars, because really all
Speaker 1: ball and he was like full teeth missing, like punched
Speaker 1: out of his face full. I just all smashed up um.
Speaker 1: And then going into some things that might people might
Speaker 1: see it is a bit more gruesome. But I cut
Speaker 1: him open. I always checked the organs on the animals,
Speaker 1: you know, And and I opened him up, and he's
Speaker 1: got like all his liver spot on him, you know,
Speaker 1: like all this green like bubbly growth all over his liver.
Speaker 1: He had like some dry, hairy growth on his heart.
Speaker 1: And I was like, like that's the inside stuff. And
Speaker 1: I'm like even like, look at this. This is an
Speaker 1: amazing creature, you know. And but I'm also and check
Speaker 1: out the antlers they grew in one season. These are
Speaker 1: all the veins that go through there, you know. And
Speaker 1: and it's the term trophy hunter nearly doesn't exist anymore. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know anyone that hunts just for a try
Speaker 1: if you I don't know that. I don't know anyone
Speaker 1: that does that. But a lot of hunters, you can't
Speaker 1: eat antlers. That's usually what gets displayed in the house.
Speaker 1: So you're like trophy hunter and the antlers, you know,
Speaker 1: so amazing that usually they're at the forefront of a photo.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like, and I've seen you doing the
Speaker 1: trophy hunting. What a trophy photo? Two points? That's where
Speaker 1: the meat that's here, which is cool and it and
Speaker 1: it is that is if you in a sense, that's
Speaker 1: a trophy in itself, like look at the meat. But
Speaker 1: you eat the meat and it disappears and everything sort
Speaker 1: of disappears except for bone, hide and the antlers or
Speaker 1: horns or whatever it is. So they usually get put
Speaker 1: on display. And and I've never kept something to to
Speaker 1: have other hunters or people go wow, look at the
Speaker 1: size of that. I've only ever kept anything like antlers
Speaker 1: are high or photos even memory wise, you know, like
Speaker 1: and it's like it's become like respectful thing, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like that's like respecting the animal, like
Speaker 1: you know, but some people different opinions. I feel like
Speaker 1: that's the complete opposite. You know, that's not respect by
Speaker 1: putting a dead animal on the wall or something. Well,
Speaker 1: I think part of my part of that group we're
Speaker 1: in two point is not to say don't do the one,
Speaker 1: but it's it's to say, like it's a perspective thing.
Speaker 1: It's to get people thinking about it. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: cherish this, look at this beautiful bit of meat, Like
Speaker 1: this is going to fade my family. This is awesome,
Speaker 1: And this is an evolution of our pres not of
Speaker 1: our hunting, because I think all hunters always have the
Speaker 1: sensibilities that you have, most all the ones that I
Speaker 1: would consider hunters people in my group. There's other people
Speaker 1: that are assholes, deal with them and other conversations. But
Speaker 1: people that are like you and I to have the
Speaker 1: values that you and I do are struggling now to
Speaker 1: to define how we tell our story right. And part
Speaker 1: of it is just let's evolve to the two point
Speaker 1: over the three point oh presentation of a dead thing,
Speaker 1: because there's nothing that I've ever run across. I've thought
Speaker 1: about this at length, and I know you probably have
Speaker 1: to nothing like the grip and grin to take what
Speaker 1: you think it represents and what you know, it represents
Speaker 1: because it's you and you're there with the animal and
Speaker 1: all the things you just said. It represents your reverence
Speaker 1: and respect for that animal. It represents why you go
Speaker 1: and do what you do. It represents this great achievement
Speaker 1: of all these enriching things in your life. And then
Speaker 1: someone else looks at it and they see a smiling
Speaker 1: asshole and his trophy, like that's it's it's it's on us,
Speaker 1: It's it's just. I think our platforms, our new platforms
Speaker 1: are definitely helping a lot because you know, you get
Speaker 1: a hunting magazine and there's only you know, so you
Speaker 1: get three pages for an article. Well there's only so
Speaker 1: many photos you can put in those free pages, and
Speaker 1: everyone wants to look at the animal and all of
Speaker 1: its clots. Now that there's formats like madea to what
Speaker 1: Steve's doing, and Steve gets to show a lot, like
Speaker 1: he gets to show all the effort that goes in
Speaker 1: just to get into the point where you see the animal.
Speaker 1: Then he gets the animal dead on the ground if
Speaker 1: he's if he's successful, and you see that quick image,
Speaker 1: you know, there's the animal whatever, then it jumps to
Speaker 1: because it's a much a length of your platform to
Speaker 1: cutting it up and cooking and eating it and like,
Speaker 1: this is life, this is why we're here today, this
Speaker 1: is why there is man. And with my platform and
Speaker 1: especially doing that the Instagram stories, do you know how
Speaker 1: many messages I get that are like, holy did it?
Speaker 1: I didn't know it took that much, you know, like
Speaker 1: climbing the mountain, camping back there, all the organization, getting
Speaker 1: it killed, getting it out, getting that cut up, you know,
Speaker 1: getting it to the freezer, getting it to the pen.
Speaker 1: That definitely that platform that we can show things on now.
Speaker 1: And then you've got guys like Cameron Haynes and John
Speaker 1: Dudley and stuff like Bremmy Warren at the forefront of it,
Speaker 1: and like Rogan notorious for showing the meat, you know,
Speaker 1: and just showing on a much bigger picture where it's
Speaker 1: not like we just drive out there, I shoot at you,
Speaker 1: the the truck loaded up, you know, drinks some bees.
Speaker 1: It's not like that's Hollywood. Well yeah, I mean you
Speaker 1: got somebody like Shane Dorian, right, somebody like Joe Rogan.
Speaker 1: These are people that are at the top of their
Speaker 1: game and they had not in hunting, not unting pro
Speaker 1: surfer and is a pro Tolka just a pro and everything.
Speaker 1: But they're those guys there that's adult onset hunting. What
Speaker 1: that is that they took up hunting when they were
Speaker 1: intellectually able to process what they were doing. And what
Speaker 1: always enlighten me about their output on social media is
Speaker 1: that neither one of those two people, they didn't get
Speaker 1: Joe and Shane didn't get together and be like, let's
Speaker 1: not share a grip and grips, let's not share dead
Speaker 1: animal shots. Let's just share meat, and let's share the camaraderie,
Speaker 1: and let's share the things that we know are important.
Speaker 1: They did it opposite of each other. You know. Part
Speaker 1: of it was a reaction to deciety, the reaction to
Speaker 1: a little bit to how how people would reactive. Joe
Speaker 1: Rogan in a dead elk on his Instagram would probably
Speaker 1: not be great. But I think they also were forced
Speaker 1: to eliminate that from their output, their communication and focus
Speaker 1: on the things that really did enrich They show. They
Speaker 1: showed the bigger picture. Now again, I think it's not
Speaker 1: as organic as as is all that because they know
Speaker 1: the controversy that comes up if you post something a
Speaker 1: dead animal. But they still are our successful hunters and
Speaker 1: everybody knows it, and they're promoting the sport without beside
Speaker 1: that became controversial, without hunters even understanding how it became,
Speaker 1: and it just doesn't go well with their platform because
Speaker 1: I know a couple of times and Joe's had to
Speaker 1: kill and I've been like, hey, is that okay if
Speaker 1: I share that? And he's like, yeah, go for it,
Speaker 1: because my platform is a bit different, like I'm known
Speaker 1: as a hunter, you know, it comes along a lot
Speaker 1: more acceptable on my end. And where is if you
Speaker 1: don't have the bigger picture like some of their audience.
Speaker 1: And I think their audience does have the bigger picture now,
Speaker 1: but if you don't have the bigger picture, and then
Speaker 1: it's just like that photo with the animal there and
Speaker 1: you're standing behind it smiling whatever. That is. A bad
Speaker 1: image is a bad image. Put that in a newspaper
Speaker 1: somewhere bad image. Put that in a hunting magazine or
Speaker 1: outdoor magazine, then it's fine. There might be some people
Speaker 1: that don't agree with it, but I've built my audience
Speaker 1: now that and there's no shock horror, and I don't
Speaker 1: mean it in that sense, but sometimes I'll just put
Speaker 1: sort of a bloody photo up like this is normal,
Speaker 1: this is natural, And I don't get any negative reaction
Speaker 1: because I've built them. They know everything else that's involved
Speaker 1: in it. They're not wondering why you're doing. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: just not it, you know. And and because I'll say
Speaker 1: it now, like if I've put in that much effort
Speaker 1: and I get something killed, then I usually am happy.
Speaker 1: I usually am smiling, you know. And it's not like
Speaker 1: it's not the killed just sucker. It's not that smile.
Speaker 1: It's not that I'm like that was a good quick death.
Speaker 1: Putting a lot of effort, it's finally paid off and happy.
Speaker 1: But even I've tried to not do the grip and
Speaker 1: green anymore, you know, and not because of what you've done,
Speaker 1: just because I start thinking about the image, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I am happy, but I don't have to do that.
Speaker 1: You know. I'll still hold the animal and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But you show everything girls as well, you know, cutting
Speaker 1: up the meat. That's all I've ever said. I mean,
Speaker 1: we have a from our line. I trip this, you know,
Speaker 1: six months ago or whatever. Less than that. Um, we've
Speaker 1: got a thread going, the text thread. Whereas me and
Speaker 1: all the people we've mentioned and all the people are
Speaker 1: on that hunt, and we when were killing anim we
Speaker 1: send everybody a photo. We all understand on that text
Speaker 1: thread what that is. Yeah, we have a total perspective
Speaker 1: of that. All of us are content. We've all hunting together,
Speaker 1: we all know what we're all about. And but so
Speaker 1: we can share those photos and there's no loss of perspective,
Speaker 1: there's no context that we need. We know what's going on.
Speaker 1: We're excited for each other. Outside of that, it's a
Speaker 1: little sketchy, definitely, it's a little and you've you've seen that.
Speaker 1: I've seen it, We've all seen it, and um, I
Speaker 1: think I just came out and said it in a
Speaker 1: way that probably early on was a little bit touchy
Speaker 1: for some people. But I I truly do feel that
Speaker 1: the only conversation that matters is how do we better
Speaker 1: represent the thing that we do? And even if like
Speaker 1: guys like you and others who do represent it very well,
Speaker 1: how do we still do it better? How do we
Speaker 1: lead the charge? How do we say, like, here's a
Speaker 1: question we ought to ask, this is I don't know
Speaker 1: how to do it. I'm not telling everybody you have
Speaker 1: to do it the same way, but here's a question
Speaker 1: we want to be thinking about. You know, here's something
Speaker 1: that bothers me. Um, and that's that's a better promotion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's something that is something you see right
Speaker 1: now that bothers you in our community, something that you
Speaker 1: I'm I might even start a segment like the ship
Speaker 1: bothers Mean, that's the same where we just talked about
Speaker 1: what what's something that you see? The thing one up I.
Speaker 1: It's like the whole YETI NR a thing. It's like
Speaker 1: we're constantly looking for not me, some people, and it
Speaker 1: seems like a good population of the outdoor industry is
Speaker 1: constantly looking for something to be angry about, something to
Speaker 1: constantly jump on the bandwagon about, and the whole like
Speaker 1: whether I was sponsored by YETI or not, that one
Speaker 1: really bothered me because I was like, here we are
Speaker 1: with an outdoor company that puts so much into the
Speaker 1: outdoors and what we do, and we're trying to kick
Speaker 1: them out to let someone in that possibly won't put
Speaker 1: that money into the outdoor industry, you know. And it's
Speaker 1: like it just seemed like a bitch fest for social media,
Speaker 1: that's what it was. And we're constantly looking for one
Speaker 1: I missed the one on the whole night thing or
Speaker 1: whatever it was, but then there was that one, and
Speaker 1: like it's like any day someone else could be next,
Speaker 1: you know, I just spent time like there was the
Speaker 1: whole under arm and one. It's like there's constantly where
Speaker 1: there's constantly something coming up. And who trashes this the
Speaker 1: most are ourselves hunters, Like we're the ones to air
Speaker 1: our dirty laundry the most, you know, Like these aunties
Speaker 1: must be on the sideline just rubbing their hands together,
Speaker 1: going brilliant. Look at them, look at them with you know,
Speaker 1: and it's like and I actually wrote a post and
Speaker 1: I was like, this isn't something that we have to
Speaker 1: lose friends over or turn against each other or anything
Speaker 1: like that. You know, Like let's run it course on
Speaker 1: its own without us adding as much trash to it
Speaker 1: as we can, you know and blowing up coolers or
Speaker 1: or the other end hating on the n r A,
Speaker 1: you know or whatever. It's like, we don't have to
Speaker 1: do that. Like all we're doing is breeding more hate
Speaker 1: within ourselves. That's not healthy. That's one thing that I
Speaker 1: learned growing up out of all that, Like you'll breed
Speaker 1: your own hate, you'll breed your own misery within yourself
Speaker 1: with negativity and stuff like that, Like anyone talking shoot
Speaker 1: about me at the moment, Like you're just hurting yourself.
Speaker 1: You just reckon your own mental illness, you know, Like
Speaker 1: why people caught up in my ship? Like why are
Speaker 1: you caught up in anyone's ship? Like, well, it's in
Speaker 1: Our industry is a small world, right, And I think
Speaker 1: you and I both work hard to try to be
Speaker 1: respected by our peers and like really try hard to
Speaker 1: be understanding of what everybody's thinking, and you know, try
Speaker 1: to do the right thing. You're never like you're just
Speaker 1: never going to get everybody, especially when I realized that too.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm always say, like I don't want everyone
Speaker 1: to get into hunting, but if I can build some
Speaker 1: thought and understanding from people that don't hunt towards the
Speaker 1: hunting community, not me, I'm happy doing what I do.
Speaker 1: I don't care where if you hate at love it.
Speaker 1: But if that helps the overall outdoor industry, the hunting community,
Speaker 1: that there is understanding, and like, that's Joe Rogan has
Speaker 1: done that better than anyone ever in the history of mankind,
Speaker 1: unless there was some massive civilization before we come that
Speaker 1: we don't know about. And there was like a Joe
Speaker 1: broken broken something. But for Joe too to spread the
Speaker 1: word how he has with his audience is a massive
Speaker 1: like there's a massive understanding there, you know, whether they
Speaker 1: hunt or not, because some people can't hunt, like they
Speaker 1: live in the city and they've got other things happening
Speaker 1: and they've got no desire to or whatever it might be.
Speaker 1: But at least there's understanding from those people that they
Speaker 1: when they see a hunting image, you know that that
Speaker 1: there's just not hate streaming out of them. You know
Speaker 1: that the extreme anties will never get them who wants to.
Speaker 1: And it's and I think we sort of need extreme
Speaker 1: anties as well because they keep things in check as well. Um,
Speaker 1: and it's so complicated, you know, there's no one answer,
Speaker 1: there's no one it's hunting is so complicated. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: always say that we've picked this very complex thing to do,
Speaker 1: very complex. This isn't this is not a roller coaster,
Speaker 1: And don't get on and have fun and get off
Speaker 1: with no effect on the world. Yeah, definitely, you get
Speaker 1: on and you get and you have your fun, and
Speaker 1: you know, Steve and I, Ronelle and I always say you,
Speaker 1: he says, you wouldn't do it if it wasn't fun.
Speaker 1: And you have your fun, you have your adventure, and
Speaker 1: at the end of the day something dis dead, like
Speaker 1: some fucking thing that used to be on the earth
Speaker 1: that you didn't put there now is gone. And the
Speaker 1: virtuous thing about what we do is that we had
Speaker 1: a hand in doing it and we're aware of it
Speaker 1: when so many folks are unaware of their effect. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think we we certainly. I think we
Speaker 1: certainly as a community. I've crested that wave. Like people
Speaker 1: get that, we get it, get that there that we're
Speaker 1: seeking some level of virtue and what we do, like
Speaker 1: we understand that we're killing ship and we're not just
Speaker 1: flipping like a fucking loose see you, I feel like
Speaker 1: hunting has made me an animal lover and and said
Speaker 1: that can be confusing to some people, like you love
Speaker 1: you say you love animals, but you hunt them. And
Speaker 1: because Kim's exactly the same, Kim like loves animals, like
Speaker 1: extremely loves animal and I do as well. But I
Speaker 1: also know where meat comes from, you know, And I
Speaker 1: want meat in my life. Like it sounds silly, but
Speaker 1: I want meat in my life. I want to eat meat.
Speaker 1: And if I'm going to do that, I want to
Speaker 1: go out and get it myself. And I want to
Speaker 1: realize what that animal was and I want to be
Speaker 1: I want my hands, you know, or my wife's hands
Speaker 1: to be the ones that harvests that meat, that cut
Speaker 1: that meat, that take that meat, you know. And like,
Speaker 1: especially with filming and everything like that these days, you know,
Speaker 1: I just feel like when something's filmed, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: just chill out. I want my time now with the animal.
Speaker 1: Like I want to take it in that I've done this,
Speaker 1: I've killed this and and let's not take it in
Speaker 1: and realize you've done this is in ne bad person,
Speaker 1: Like I completely understand it. That's fine, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's natural. Like natural is a very good word for that.
Speaker 1: That's natural human killing an animal to take its meat
Speaker 1: very natural. And to be at that point and sort
Speaker 1: of basking it in a sense, you know, of all
Speaker 1: the realization and that's actually a beautiful moment. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not pretty awesome, it is. It's so hard to
Speaker 1: explain because it is such a complex thing. It's so
Speaker 1: hard to explain. But there's there's some feeling that comes
Speaker 1: with that that you can't get from anything. Girls, where's
Speaker 1: this thing at in ten or fifteen years? Where's where's
Speaker 1: this thing at? For your kids? What do you what
Speaker 1: do you think they're going to go through? Because I
Speaker 1: think we just had them on. I think they're awesome.
Speaker 1: Like where I think about this with my son a lot,
Speaker 1: Like where is this going to be for them when
Speaker 1: they're at a formative age? What will hunting look like
Speaker 1: for them? What environment? What are they going to be in?
Speaker 1: I feel like I will be because we've thought about
Speaker 1: going off the grid a lot for before, even all
Speaker 1: the social media because this sort of blew up. I
Speaker 1: never really asked for this sort of following or anything.
Speaker 1: I never ever thought that I'd get it. You know,
Speaker 1: I never wanted it. You know, it's just I just
Speaker 1: wanted to promote hunting, even if that was only four
Speaker 1: friends and some families seeing it, and for the blob
Speaker 1: because I'm actually very usually a private person. I don't
Speaker 1: like crowds, like like most of my hunting solo as
Speaker 1: you've seen, and to have now all these other people
Speaker 1: that sort of get a voice or look into my life,
Speaker 1: it's not something that I ever wanted, so and me
Speaker 1: and Kim have always been like that, like we'd love
Speaker 1: to live up the grid, grow our own vegetables, fruit,
Speaker 1: harvest their own meat, still have domestic stock. It wouldn't
Speaker 1: be all wild meat, like we'd have chickens and pigs
Speaker 1: and things like that as well, but lots of wild
Speaker 1: harvests and just really live off the grid, like our
Speaker 1: own water, our own energy, you know, whether it's soul
Speaker 1: or a turbine. And always felt like time moved a
Speaker 1: lot slower when you're because it does when you're out
Speaker 1: in the country, time moves a lot slower. Time seems better,
Speaker 1: everything seems more valuable. You know, you don't get this
Speaker 1: is a rat ray still, Like I might go off
Speaker 1: the grid every now and then, like when I go
Speaker 1: BC moose hunting or back country in Montana or northern
Speaker 1: territory like arnem Land, and like that is off the grid,
Speaker 1: But then you come back into a bigger rat race
Speaker 1: than anything, because you know, emails, bills, things like that
Speaker 1: that have gone unchecked in that time, and I don't
Speaker 1: it's not the real quality of life. It is life
Speaker 1: streaking awesome. Yeah, get me wrong, but I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it could be better. You know, and that's more suited
Speaker 1: to me, especially with my upbringing, like I've cut family
Speaker 1: out of my life, like my own father, my own blood,
Speaker 1: I've cut him out of my life. So it's hard
Speaker 1: to let strangers in just on that very fact alone.
Speaker 1: Um So I don't know. My kids might live off
Speaker 1: the grid. That might never happen. I don't, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. But hunting wise, if I stayed on
Speaker 1: the direction I'm going now for my kids, I don't
Speaker 1: know that maybe they don't want to be hunters right now.
Speaker 1: They do. They love the idea, they love the country,
Speaker 1: they love going up to you know, we own I
Speaker 1: ag read up in the mountains at home. I love horses,
Speaker 1: I love eating mate, I love chase and catching killing anything.
Speaker 1: That's what kids love to do. Yeah, I mean it'll
Speaker 1: be a journey for them like everybody else. I mean,
Speaker 1: they might fall out of it and fall back into it,
Speaker 1: and they may it may not be cool with their
Speaker 1: friends when they're be able to influence when they're teenagers here,
Speaker 1: you know, and then later on in life be like
Speaker 1: what I was, I think, and I stoually get back
Speaker 1: into this. I should find this thing again. But it's
Speaker 1: certainly going to be challenged more than you were coming up.
Speaker 1: And I was because I you know, I'm Ship thirty
Speaker 1: two and you're a little you know in this country.
Speaker 1: Ship on my generation, probably our generations, first generation that
Speaker 1: couldn't just be hunters anymore. We had to be at
Speaker 1: some level messengers for our thing. And that's when society
Speaker 1: kind of became. It became this negative thing, you know,
Speaker 1: almost like an A R fifteens and other things that
Speaker 1: have been demonized or have and misunderstood. And America is
Speaker 1: actually coming from Australia to America. America's actually got a
Speaker 1: much greater population that's understanding of hunting, even if they
Speaker 1: don't because they've got such a big population of hunters
Speaker 1: and it's like advertised everywhere during the season. In Australia,
Speaker 1: it's not it's like being kept on the download. You know.
Speaker 1: There's so much more misunderstanding towards hunting in Australia and
Speaker 1: and just no knowledge that it even happens at all.
Speaker 1: But it's tough. Australia virtually has zero public lands to
Speaker 1: hunt them as well, so it's like private you've gotta
Speaker 1: get private mission. A little bit of privately the publicly,
Speaker 1: and it has come on boards from what I've heard,
Speaker 1: really not great for hunting. It's just it's not the
Speaker 1: same culture. You know, even though Australia was like you know,
Speaker 1: all convicts basically and like you know, they would have
Speaker 1: to hunt for food and eating rabbit and stuff like that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, we just got back from Hawaii. I mean
Speaker 1: Hawaii is similar place. I mean, the as it explained
Speaker 1: to me, like the Native Hawaiians feel some ownership of lands.
Speaker 1: So if you have a private ranch and you say
Speaker 1: don't come in, they're coming in. Yeah. And so poaching
Speaker 1: isn't it does not the same feeling cause it is here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so each scenario has its own value systems, in
Speaker 1: its own way of doing things. And we certainly are lucky.
Speaker 1: I think the fourteen or fifteen or how many million
Speaker 1: hunters that are in this country are lucky people. Definitely.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. I said that Kim Kim hiked right up
Speaker 1: into the back country in Montana with me, just you know,
Speaker 1: three or four days ago, and through public lands the
Speaker 1: whole time, and we never seen another person, which was
Speaker 1: really cool. And I stopped for a second and I'm
Speaker 1: like do you realize how good this is? Like we
Speaker 1: didn't have to, you know, harass a farmer, you know,
Speaker 1: to try and get permission. We didn't have to like
Speaker 1: take h mccarton the beer and say, you know, we'd
Speaker 1: love you know, we'd love to be able to hunt here.
Speaker 1: You know, what's the chances and you go for all
Speaker 1: the effort and drive and he's like, no, we don't
Speaker 1: let anyone on. We were actually just being able to
Speaker 1: buy a tag, look up on on x maps where
Speaker 1: the public land was that we could run in and
Speaker 1: hike in there. And I'm like, every bit of that
Speaker 1: view that you can see right now, we can hunt
Speaker 1: any of that, Like there's a million acres back here,
Speaker 1: we can go and hunt any of that. Like the thing,
Speaker 1: the scary thing is publicly and getting taken off us,
Speaker 1: even if it's slowly by slowly. That's why everyone has
Speaker 1: to fight so hard for it, because coming from someone
Speaker 1: that you know, it doesn't have publicly and the hung
Speaker 1: on back home. Basically that's absolutely amazing. No, I've said
Speaker 1: it many times, we continue to say it. Like waking
Speaker 1: up in the morning in Montana, there's a different feeling
Speaker 1: I live in Texas. I lived in Illinois, I lived.
Speaker 1: I grew up hunting publicly and not even really knowing
Speaker 1: what it was. But in my twenties, I've lived in
Speaker 1: two places where there wasn't ship and when there was
Speaker 1: it was kind of depressing. You go on small tracks
Speaker 1: land with a lot of hunters, not a lot of game,
Speaker 1: and a lot of bullshit. Yeah, and so you public
Speaker 1: lands becomes this this degradated piece of hunting property, and
Speaker 1: the private lands become this these paradise is for for
Speaker 1: game and for hunters and stuff like that. So that's
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not elitist because because homesteading and land
Speaker 1: ownership is that's what our world does, and when we stay,
Speaker 1: we stake our ground and that's what that's what you
Speaker 1: and I want to do. Um. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: the concept of wilderness that shared is you need that
Speaker 1: public land because one thing, like back in Australia and
Speaker 1: I get bombarded with questions like where can I go,
Speaker 1: how should I get private access? I can't get private access,
Speaker 1: and the feeling of wanting to hunt like it's almost spiritual.
Speaker 1: It is spiritual. It's nearly like someone saying you can't
Speaker 1: practice your religion right and so that's what's happening, you know,
Speaker 1: you know that happens in a lot of countries and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. In Australia was one of them. He's
Speaker 1: one of them. Where there's eyes that are dying to
Speaker 1: go hunting, their destined to go hunting, they can't get
Speaker 1: access to somewhere like that is a horrible, horrible feeling.
Speaker 1: And in America to be able to just be like, I'll,
Speaker 1: you know, go and buy that over the counter tag general.
Speaker 1: You know, here's all this area that I can go
Speaker 1: even if there's no game, right Like we all want
Speaker 1: to find game, but even if there's no game, you
Speaker 1: get to go out and go hiking. And but you're
Speaker 1: gonna be the one to find out if there is
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna go over there, let me let me check
Speaker 1: it out, Let me check it. And then one thing
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of hate for lately is guys
Speaker 1: that hunt ranches, private ranches, you know, like sort of
Speaker 1: belittling them, and you know, hunting these elite spots, you know,
Speaker 1: and and uh, Joe's name come up a couple of
Speaker 1: times because he hunted wherever he hunts in ce A
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you've got to think that Joe's probably
Speaker 1: got a lot of money, but not a at a time.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you go and do that? And that's got
Speaker 1: a lot of time. I can spend time public land,
Speaker 1: And I just what did I do last year? Twenty
Speaker 1: seven days? And I killed a bull on day seven? Alright,
Speaker 1: Sometimes that's what public land can be like. So if
Speaker 1: you didn't have the time but the money, why wouldn't
Speaker 1: you go and pay a ranch to go and hunt
Speaker 1: on his place? That doesn't get hunted the death and
Speaker 1: you're gonna get onto game, you know, and there's still
Speaker 1: no guarantee. Yeah there's still hunting. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: we're talking about this that I run into this subject
Speaker 1: way more than any other, and it pisses me off.
Speaker 1: Is starting to get old, and I haven't been guilty
Speaker 1: of it before, Like what was that guy? Always want
Speaker 1: to put private land and talking ship? And recently I realized,
Speaker 1: like what an a hole I was for thinking that
Speaker 1: or put down somebody like come on, man, these are
Speaker 1: people people like Joe Rogan or campaign's campaigns especially let's
Speaker 1: take Camp for for example, because people love to talk
Speaker 1: about that guy and I do too, because I think
Speaker 1: he's a great human being. Like the outside of his
Speaker 1: you know, I've spent time with him. You spend time
Speaker 1: with him outside of his Instagram. You erase that from
Speaker 1: the earth, and that's a good outstanding, good fellows and
Speaker 1: so beautiful. Ta Yeah, nice teeth, very white. White is
Speaker 1: your shirt? It's kind of do you think they're real? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're real. There's no need to um. But here's Cam, right,
Speaker 1: So Cam goes out. He he came up in this
Speaker 1: industry hunting d I Y I mean, wrote books. He
Speaker 1: was the d I Y hunting guy, wrote for Eastman's
Speaker 1: Hunting Journal. This is that. That was Cam. A Cube
Speaker 1: wrote a song about him. Yeah, it's like I started
Speaker 1: these gangs to ship. This is the motherfucking thanks. I
Speaker 1: get no money, no problems. Yeah by singing Cam's Yeah,
Speaker 1: here's an omeime earned it and done his time. He
Speaker 1: works at nine to five. He loves to kill big elk.
Speaker 1: That's what he likes to do. And he goes on
Speaker 1: on place like the Desiret or other ranches and he
Speaker 1: does that and he promotes hunting. He promos his love
Speaker 1: for it, and that's what he does. And if you
Speaker 1: have a problem with that you have a problem and
Speaker 1: if you can't respect that, this guy is like some
Speaker 1: way graduated to be able to do that. He's earned
Speaker 1: his keep to be able to do that. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure what I can do for you. Yeah, the thing
Speaker 1: is it can didn't get the opportunity to hunt one
Speaker 1: of those ranches. He just going through the public thing.
Speaker 1: He's refined as hunting to the point where, just like Joe,
Speaker 1: they now have they have limited time. They know what
Speaker 1: they like to do, They define what they want to do.
Speaker 1: They have the money and the time and the and
Speaker 1: the friends to help them do the things they want
Speaker 1: to do, and that's what they do. Is that what
Speaker 1: Ronnella does or I do, or you do know, but
Speaker 1: it ain't wrong, is not wrong. I've been guilty. I'm
Speaker 1: sitting here and I have been guilty of criticizing people
Speaker 1: for that in the past, and very recently I realized
Speaker 1: that I was wrong, and that is wrong. I did
Speaker 1: the opposite because I would be like the first time
Speaker 1: I hunted North America was New Mexico, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'll probably only do this once. I want to do
Speaker 1: it right, And I bought a landowner attack and hunted
Speaker 1: like Unit twelve in New Mexico and seen good balls
Speaker 1: every day and was like holding out for a free
Speaker 1: fifty ball end up killing like a big free fifty
Speaker 1: on like day seven or eight or something. Heaps of
Speaker 1: effort went in. It was a hunt of a lifetime.
Speaker 1: Like I still recall that hunt as one of the
Speaker 1: best hunts that I've ever been on. And then I
Speaker 1: went the opposite because I was like then I didn't
Speaker 1: have as much money and free finance to do sort
Speaker 1: of stuff like that, and I realized that ship America
Speaker 1: is just to fly away North American. I realized that
Speaker 1: I love the country and the people here in the
Speaker 1: game and stuff like that. And like I've hunted elk
Speaker 1: every single year since. And now that I've got that
Speaker 1: time because of my business, you know, my business is
Speaker 1: turning over and paying bills. Really understand, No, that's right.
Speaker 1: I just live for a good tag every year. But
Speaker 1: now that I've got the time and I can come
Speaker 1: to America for the whole of it, like the whole
Speaker 1: of the season or like five six months or whatever
Speaker 1: it is, now I realize I can spend the time
Speaker 1: going back into the back country and the remote romance,
Speaker 1: so that I love doing that. But even this trip,
Speaker 1: because the hunting has been so tough, there's been times
Speaker 1: where I'm like, shit, I wish I just took Kim
Speaker 1: to like a private, private ranch because she's never she
Speaker 1: hasn't had the opportunity to even act on a stalk
Speaker 1: or something on a bull this whole time, and she's
Speaker 1: been busting asked, like she's been going harder than any
Speaker 1: guys that I know, like hunting and wanting it so bad.
Speaker 1: There was I did a video where she's like crying,
Speaker 1: she wants it that bad and it's not something they
Speaker 1: can just go and get. You got to chase it
Speaker 1: so hard and it still mightn't even happen. And has
Speaker 1: been times when I'm like, shout, I just wish I
Speaker 1: went to a ranch, you know, And I'm not talking
Speaker 1: in Australia and New Zealand they called high fence. Is
Speaker 1: what a ranch is? Like close range That's not what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. That's never on the cards. But a
Speaker 1: ranch is in some where private doesn't get freshed by
Speaker 1: you know, the public and stuff like that. It's something
Speaker 1: a bit more elite. But then it's like, no, I've
Speaker 1: got time is next year. But it's it's exactly what
Speaker 1: you said. If I was still running my business and
Speaker 1: I had like a week, two weeks or whatever after
Speaker 1: come over here and get a bull killed, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be doing public land because I haven't been the public
Speaker 1: land yet where it's like there's a bull, there's a bull,
Speaker 1: there's a bull. No, I haven't been there, well somebody, Yeah,
Speaker 1: then that's a situation that you know when you go
Speaker 1: to some of these bigger ranches that you get into
Speaker 1: and it's a different experience. And I've done it a
Speaker 1: few times and for me, it's like, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: If this is the only time I had to hunt,
Speaker 1: I might do it this way. But that's not for me.
Speaker 1: Else that's no reason to hate on it. It's still
Speaker 1: one percent hunting, Like that's what I've sort of seen
Speaker 1: a lot of lately, you know. And it's like or
Speaker 1: people would try and pit me against someone else, you know,
Speaker 1: or someone else against me, and it's like, what do
Speaker 1: you mean they don't that I don't want to do
Speaker 1: public land, not my spots. My spots ship my spots
Speaker 1: take a month to find a ball to kill, you know.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying there's awesome public land spots out there,
Speaker 1: but you still need time to put in time effort. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then it's that and then there's no laziness, and
Speaker 1: and that there's no laziness in it. There just isn't.
Speaker 1: There is a circumstance. And like I said, I I
Speaker 1: really I don't need to say the guy's name, but
Speaker 1: we have a mutual friend. Like we got in a
Speaker 1: vehicle right after we came back from one nine and
Speaker 1: we were riding around and bitching the whole time, talking
Speaker 1: about this and then hunting this and that, this person
Speaker 1: doing this and that, And I just was like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, what are we doing? Man, what are we doing?
Speaker 1: Why are we talking? These are people? A lot of
Speaker 1: these people we know, we know they're good people, we
Speaker 1: know they're good hunters. And like we turn back this
Speaker 1: ship back this negative and I can that we this
Speaker 1: is in Australia and we've just gotten in the camp
Speaker 1: and it was awesome. There was deer everywhere and the
Speaker 1: hunt was kicking off and I was with a couple
Speaker 1: of really good guys and um the property owner there,
Speaker 1: who was also a bit of a hunter, was like
Speaker 1: real negative minded and talked a lot of shit about
Speaker 1: people that I did know and that I didn't know,
Speaker 1: and like I just judge people off me, you know,
Speaker 1: like it's all right to be aware of something like
Speaker 1: you say, oh, such and such is like a bit stabby.
Speaker 1: You might try and rape you in the night. That'd
Speaker 1: be nice to know. But I'm still gonna I'm still
Speaker 1: going to assess that person of my own dealings. And
Speaker 1: if I haven't had any bad dealings, there's no need
Speaker 1: to hate on anything. And even if I did, I
Speaker 1: just leave it. I just let it go. Just don't
Speaker 1: associate with that person anymore. Anyway. The property owners talking
Speaker 1: ship and one of my buddies is talking ship and
Speaker 1: it's like three hours of just negative trash talk and
Speaker 1: every hunter under the sun that they have never met
Speaker 1: theirselves either. And I got up in the mind and
Speaker 1: I packed up, and the mates like what are you doing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm going, dude, I didn't come here for this.
Speaker 1: I come here to have a good time, you know,
Speaker 1: and go hunting. And all that ship talk last night,
Speaker 1: you know, you're talking about guys that have kids just
Speaker 1: like me. Your your saying things that have been set
Speaker 1: against me, and you know they're not true. So how
Speaker 1: do you know they're not true about true about this
Speaker 1: other person? Like people are saying the same rumors and
Speaker 1: shit about me, and He's he's like, just took a
Speaker 1: step back, and lucky, he's like an intelligent dude because
Speaker 1: he took a step back and realized that it was wrong.
Speaker 1: And he's never been like that again. He just got
Speaker 1: caught up with that negativity, that trash talking people. And
Speaker 1: I think now that he's met a few of the
Speaker 1: people that he was trash talk and he's realized they
Speaker 1: aren't no different than me and him, you know, they're
Speaker 1: just people like us. You know, I tell people all
Speaker 1: the time my job prior to the one i'm this
Speaker 1: building we're sitting there now, was to really know all
Speaker 1: those people that influence other and to get to them
Speaker 1: and to bring them in. And and you influence people,
Speaker 1: it's my job to know you and assess your value
Speaker 1: to a company. It's a weird situation anyway, but what
Speaker 1: I took from it is is that there was very, very,
Speaker 1: very few people. And you saw this. You know, at
Speaker 1: some point could fill a room with five hundred people
Speaker 1: that I knew, and they were all in the hunting industry,
Speaker 1: there's like very few people I would look at now
Speaker 1: and use the word hate or even dislike like maybe
Speaker 1: different people, maybe not going to be best buddies, maybe whatever.
Speaker 1: But now that I look at it, and just like
Speaker 1: you said, like nobody told me this, but I had
Speaker 1: it in my own mind, Like, come on, dude, the negativity.
Speaker 1: You think you're virtuous and the like you're gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: I act like you have some real opinion, and then
Speaker 1: in private with your buddies, you're gonna start running your
Speaker 1: yap about people like come on, man, get real, And
Speaker 1: if anybody listen to this is doing that, let's take
Speaker 1: a step back for a minute. I think who's his benefiting? Yeah,
Speaker 1: is this benefiting anyone? Because if it's not, why well yeah,
Speaker 1: that goes this This whole conversation line goes back to
Speaker 1: when I ask you, like, hey, what's it looked like
Speaker 1: for your kids? And your first reaction was, well, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of hate and there's a lot of divisiveness
Speaker 1: out there. Like we as a community or just regular
Speaker 1: folks that like to do similar things can always point
Speaker 1: to the device inness whether it's in our own lives
Speaker 1: or whether it's on social media or wherever we're living
Speaker 1: or traveling, and like there's the device inness right over there.
Speaker 1: I don't want that. Like for me, I'll be on.
Speaker 1: Like the n r A is a divisive, very good
Speaker 1: organization that does a lot of good stuff, but the
Speaker 1: divisiveness is where I get off the ship. That's where
Speaker 1: I get off. And even my own personal life and
Speaker 1: my dealings is like, if you're a divisive figure, I'm
Speaker 1: off now. It's not worth it. There's nothing worth that.
Speaker 1: And even in now that we have a media company
Speaker 1: of sorts to be devices to get eyeballs, right, if
Speaker 1: we were sitting here saying a much controversial things, more
Speaker 1: people might listen to this thing. Yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: so it's it's that shallow audience and you know, and
Speaker 1: that's what that's that's what I see a lot happening of.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just whatever gets to raise, whatever grabs
Speaker 1: an audience at the time, so people will stay and
Speaker 1: do stupid things. And if you're uh, if you're like
Speaker 1: a name, you know, you've basically become an item, you know,
Speaker 1: and people just talk about you like you're another item,
Speaker 1: like Cameron Haynes, Joe Rogan, myself whatever, like you don't
Speaker 1: have a family, like you don't have feelings, that you're
Speaker 1: not human, that you don't care for people, and things
Speaker 1: like that. And when it gets that point where people
Speaker 1: start talking about you like that, that's the point where
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get off, like okay, this ship yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah no, And that's you know, again, a lot of
Speaker 1: people listening or you know, some people say, these guys
Speaker 1: are just talking in circles around this thing. But it's
Speaker 1: it's really important when you get to your level and
Speaker 1: everybody can recognize having two thousand people follow you around
Speaker 1: is not normal. And so when you get to that
Speaker 1: new normal where that's your life, you gotta reor like
Speaker 1: reassess what's going on and reassess, like how do I
Speaker 1: now have to change the way I function as I
Speaker 1: make sure that this works because this is not the
Speaker 1: way it used to be. And I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: be a freaking movie star or anything like that either,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's why I keep saying I'm no
Speaker 1: different than anyone else. I make mistakes, a funk up,
Speaker 1: I'm just the person you know. I still love and
Speaker 1: care about everything though, So yeah, it's just weird. I'm
Speaker 1: just because people do get it wrong, you know, they
Speaker 1: think that you're in it for the wrong reasons, that
Speaker 1: you said it before sponsorship or audience or something like that.
Speaker 1: You know, like, no, no, I'm just trying to promote
Speaker 1: our pastime what we do and have a good life
Speaker 1: doing it, and hopefully the people around me have a
Speaker 1: good life as well. That's all you really need to do.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take questions. A lot of people are just
Speaker 1: saying thanks for doing what you do. I was reading
Speaker 1: a couple of your talk I appreciate it. There's a guy,
Speaker 1: Jason Holidays. I don't have a question. I just want
Speaker 1: to say thank you for sharing all your adventures. They're
Speaker 1: inspiring for guys like me to dream about doing hunt
Speaker 1: like that in British Columbia. Keep up all your hard work.
Speaker 1: Much appreciate it. Ah, Yeah, you don't have to do
Speaker 1: British Columbia. Um, British Columbia is magnificent. It is freaking beautiful.
Speaker 1: But if you're a foreigner like myself, you need a
Speaker 1: guide or an outfit. And so we're talking about a
Speaker 1: money hunt, you know, like it's like a it's a
Speaker 1: big dollars hunt to go and do that, and and
Speaker 1: it is worth it if you have the money spare
Speaker 1: per it's completely worth it. And when you see the
Speaker 1: um freaking nightmare, which is like getting in there and
Speaker 1: getting out and having all those horses and camps, you
Speaker 1: can see why it costs that much, because I think
Speaker 1: people just think they charged dollars and for the animal. Yes,
Speaker 1: I went with Dustin Row, which is backcountry BC and beyond,
Speaker 1: and people must think like Dustin's cashed up. But you're
Speaker 1: in there, there's like twenty horses that you didn't have
Speaker 1: to feed or get in there or raise your camps,
Speaker 1: fuel float plane. Once you get a bull killed like
Speaker 1: a moose, getting the meat and everything out of there
Speaker 1: is it's just a logistical nightmare. So to have a
Speaker 1: business like an outfitter that runs something like that, it's
Speaker 1: worth it, um. But you need to have the money
Speaker 1: to do a hunt like that. So what I would
Speaker 1: say is is that guy might already Jason was his name,
Speaker 1: that there's so much good public land that you can
Speaker 1: go in for nearly zero dollars in the country and
Speaker 1: feel exactly how I felt in the back of BC.
Speaker 1: That um, if you don't if you don't have the
Speaker 1: money to do like a back country BC hunt or
Speaker 1: something like that. Then just get into some remote public land.
Speaker 1: Well did here's b shook five best Australian accent Jordan
Speaker 1: Harbinson camp or ben O Brown. Let me hear yours good?
Speaker 1: I might is every good? That's pretty good. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: there's a video out there you can of me doing
Speaker 1: that drunk is skunk. That was good that your kids
Speaker 1: were like, you're famous in our family. You're the drunk one,
Speaker 1: the funny drunk one. Yeah, I'm glad we cut him
Speaker 1: short on the podcast. Yeah. Oh man, no, especially he's fun.
Speaker 1: That's the ship. Well, I we can go through a
Speaker 1: much more questions. We'll say, well, we'll look at one
Speaker 1: more here, We'll find one more good before we go.
Speaker 1: Let's see a lot of people just aren't wait. Very exciting, alright,
Speaker 1: A lot of roguan questions. Best Roguan hunting story, when's
Speaker 1: Rogan coming to us? But let's just stick my best
Speaker 1: Roguan hunting story, Best Rogan hunting story. Shit, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I prefer the one. How do we get into Australia.
Speaker 1: That's like a couple lot of questions. What do we
Speaker 1: do to get into. I don't know, because I've tried
Speaker 1: all tried everything. I know. America's he's more dangerous in Australia,
Speaker 1: that's right, And he's like carrying on like Australia so dangerous.
Speaker 1: And then when like I think I nearly got killed
Speaker 1: five times in the first week when I was to
Speaker 1: come to America, and then um, I think we've seen
Speaker 1: seventeen snakes by week two and I've seen two snakes
Speaker 1: this whole year in Australia. See, maybe there's some kind
Speaker 1: of data and analytics that we can gather. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: need something we need for startards. We need to cut
Speaker 1: like the Discovery Channel and all those channels of that
Speaker 1: do like Australia is like, yeah, spiders and we need
Speaker 1: to kill that sat dish and yeah, we need to
Speaker 1: get some real stats to him. I would say, I
Speaker 1: would venture a guess that it is more dangerous to
Speaker 1: drive on the freeway in Los Angeles unting with Adam
Speaker 1: green Tree in Australia. That's just a guess. I venture
Speaker 1: that that's probably it's a hundred percent. It's like I said,
Speaker 1: like the whole time in the back country of Montana,
Speaker 1: the whole way your cautious of bears, like you think
Speaker 1: you're just preparing yourself. You know, a bear comes and
Speaker 1: I'm telling Kim, you know this how you use the
Speaker 1: bear spray. You know if a bear grabs me, this
Speaker 1: is what you need to do with the gun. And
Speaker 1: I've been showing how to load the gun and everything
Speaker 1: like that, and you know, food storage around camp and
Speaker 1: just constantly going over it. In Australia, like if you
Speaker 1: go to the Norman Territory, the only time you're talking
Speaker 1: about crocodiles is when you go up to the water.
Speaker 1: That's the only time you can't away from the water,
Speaker 1: No talk about crocodiles. You go to the water to
Speaker 1: get You go to the water to get water, talk
Speaker 1: about crocodiles. That's it. There's the difference. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: we'll get him eventually. I like to. I'd like to
Speaker 1: be there, maybe a meat Eater episode, maybe just Joe,
Speaker 1: a couple of just Joe just in a tree the
Speaker 1: entire time, unwilling to come down. Yeah, I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: do a podcast with him in this trip. And already
Speaker 1: thinking about we've got a pet snake now and a
Speaker 1: pet spider, and I was thinking about taking both of
Speaker 1: them to the studio releasing them and like, how about
Speaker 1: Australia now, bitch, be like not on even, but don't
Speaker 1: tell until it's over exactly somewhere in your studio. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've left a copperhead rattlesnakes seven points in the spiders exactly.
Speaker 1: Come to Australian now or die the only one? Hi?
Speaker 1: Can you? I've got a question of you. Yeah, please
Speaker 1: tell me tell us a little bit about the future
Speaker 1: of meat Eat Yeah. Yeah, We've talked about this a
Speaker 1: little bit on the show. What I mean, it's like,
Speaker 1: I know you've got April folks, you guys a lot
Speaker 1: of our good friends. She's awesome, dude. I didn't know
Speaker 1: her very well before we kind of got into this,
Speaker 1: but now I talked to her daily and she's an
Speaker 1: amazing human. Good lord. Um. The future of this thing
Speaker 1: is very much what you know at this point, being
Speaker 1: a startup company was what we want to make it.
Speaker 1: But my one of my major goals is like to
Speaker 1: to you know, steer this ship to take all the
Speaker 1: good things that is happening hunting, you know, for great
Speaker 1: examples like how do we take the excitement around live
Speaker 1: hunting and Instagram stories and following someone on adventure and
Speaker 1: amplify that for everybody. You know, how do we take
Speaker 1: the knowledge that you have, or the knowledge that Steve has,
Speaker 1: or the knowledge that I've gained over the years and
Speaker 1: package that up and give it to everyone. How do
Speaker 1: we do those things? Not only they've already that's been
Speaker 1: done for years. You've written articles, I've readen articles. We've
Speaker 1: all done that. But I feel like this world is
Speaker 1: ripe for a different and better way to do that,
Speaker 1: especially the hunting world, because it's such a information based game.
Speaker 1: If you're not informed, if you don't know what you're doing,
Speaker 1: if you don't have somebody to influence you in a
Speaker 1: positive way, you will flunk out before you even get started.
Speaker 1: And that's so much like what you do. That's what
Speaker 1: we weren't trying to do, and we've got, you know,
Speaker 1: some resources to do it, and that's very much what
Speaker 1: we want to do. And it's all around like our
Speaker 1: y is very much like we. The outdoors are sacred,
Speaker 1: we all share them, and we want to promote a
Speaker 1: better interaction because we know that it enriches all of
Speaker 1: our lives, not just mine or yours, but everybody so
Speaker 1: the natural world becomes a center point for like this communication,
Speaker 1: and my job partially is to make sure that communication
Speaker 1: is better. Yeah, that's that's more engaging, and that people
Speaker 1: can take it in in easier ways, and and that
Speaker 1: the and that we're motivated by our audience and not
Speaker 1: by anything else. You know, that's amazing that used to
Speaker 1: that vision and pushing it. Yeah, it was just like
Speaker 1: you man, it's like, what what do you Why do
Speaker 1: you get up in the morning? What's the thing that
Speaker 1: you know? I get slocked down? You know, I've got
Speaker 1: slogged down recently. And some of this is like you
Speaker 1: gotta do this, you gotta get through this. But every
Speaker 1: once in a while I can stop and think, how
Speaker 1: lucky am I to have this opportunity. If I screwed up,
Speaker 1: at least we screwed up collectively. At least I had
Speaker 1: the opportunity to you know, at least we gave it
Speaker 1: a shot. And if it doesn't work, it doesn't work,
Speaker 1: that's fine. I'll come out of a clean But that's
Speaker 1: a good feeling. Yeah, it's not without some successful anyway,
Speaker 1: But even if you're not, at least it lays a
Speaker 1: puff for whoever comes behind you. Yeah, and it's worth
Speaker 1: like acknowledging that there is there is a void in
Speaker 1: our media space, the one that you're filling and other
Speaker 1: folks are filling, and we can help amplify that, make
Speaker 1: it better and try, you know, to inform people. I've
Speaker 1: got a message today from a guy in Australia, Matt Rodgers.
Speaker 1: He's like a legendary football player in Australia. He just
Speaker 1: did uh um Survivor. It's like pretty popular in Australia
Speaker 1: TV show. I think you've got one as well, Survivor.
Speaker 1: He just was on Survivor and stuff and he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: have you ever watched meat Eata TV? Steve Ronnella so
Speaker 1: freaking cool. I don't want to buy meat anymore. I
Speaker 1: want to go out and hunt my own. Because I've
Speaker 1: been trying to get him into a bow for a
Speaker 1: little while. He's really keen, but he just gets really busy,
Speaker 1: obviously with his status. But um, and I just right
Speaker 1: back to him like, actually, I'm going to Steve's office today. Yes,
Speaker 1: collecting your own meat is the best, you know. And
Speaker 1: it's like it's amazing how Steve's platforms influencing people, you know,
Speaker 1: like and it is he does it in such a
Speaker 1: way that it makes people realize like how good that,
Speaker 1: you know. And it's like for a little while there,
Speaker 1: it just seemed like it was the fashionable thing to do,
Speaker 1: like you know, I'm going to get a bow or
Speaker 1: whatever and go and get my own meat. And right
Speaker 1: now it's slowly turning into what I'm seeing is no,
Speaker 1: that's life, that's that's life. Yeah, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: I clearly think that the more of this that goes on,
Speaker 1: the more urbanization that goes on, the more fancy coffee
Speaker 1: shops and cam booch the bars and bullshit of that nature,
Speaker 1: the more people are gonna long somewhere deep in their
Speaker 1: freaking bodies and their souls to go and to do
Speaker 1: something wrong and real and bloody, and and they're going
Speaker 1: to be like, wait, that's an option, and it's our job.
Speaker 1: Our job is a collective group, all of us to
Speaker 1: make that available to him, Like you don't have to
Speaker 1: do it, but here it is. Here, it is in
Speaker 1: the right way. Here, it is in a way that
Speaker 1: will make you better person. Do you think the human
Speaker 1: race got to a point where it just got sice?
Speaker 1: And I'll be that we fought, were better than an animal,
Speaker 1: for sure. I always think of that for sure, like
Speaker 1: we just got we just fought too. It's like, are
Speaker 1: you kidding? A lot of that stuff is happening in
Speaker 1: the background, steel pushed away from that. I always say like,
Speaker 1: there's got to be something, and I venture to have
Speaker 1: like a psychologist on at some point or somebody that's
Speaker 1: able to examine this and the more thoughtfulway than me.
Speaker 1: But like when you kill something, there's a feeling that
Speaker 1: you get when you kill something and you know that
Speaker 1: you're going to eat it and it's a wild animal,
Speaker 1: do you get a feeling that you can't explain and
Speaker 1: it is a deep and core in your DNA that
Speaker 1: this thing feel that feels right, You feel accomplished, you
Speaker 1: feel I feel so homed, like like I'm right where
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be exactly, and that's why I can
Speaker 1: explain it right where I'm supposed to be. Good luck
Speaker 1: really explaining that too. If you ever read that book
Speaker 1: Omnivor's Dilemma by Michael Poland, he says hunting is so
Speaker 1: different from the inside than it is from the outside.
Speaker 1: Almost He's almost inexplainable, So you can almost cannot conceive
Speaker 1: of what it feels like do this and what it
Speaker 1: feels like not to do it. And now we have
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of humans that know don't
Speaker 1: know what it feels like to do it, whereas you know,
Speaker 1: hundred thousand generations of people that's all they knew, and
Speaker 1: we're into the you know, ten twenty generations where people
Speaker 1: are now starting to completely move away from that and
Speaker 1: lose part of that connection, yet still consume the world
Speaker 1: around them, but just not actively. Yeah, that's so, you know,
Speaker 1: I think we're well this company and what you do
Speaker 1: and everybody that we're just like I always say, my
Speaker 1: my career is in the hunting industry. Hunting is my career.
Speaker 1: It's not Meaty or it's not Yetty, it's not Petersons hunting,
Speaker 1: it wasn't anything before that. It's in the hunting world.
Speaker 1: That's my career. That's what I care about. So you know,
Speaker 1: no matter what I'm doing, that's what I care about.
Speaker 1: And that's at the end of the day. I don't
Speaker 1: want anybody be like he was a great this for that,
Speaker 1: Like he was a great influence in the hunting community
Speaker 1: where you could do it like the big pitches hunting,
Speaker 1: that's it a company of laboring or anything. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you know my current bosses are like that,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if my previous ones like that.
Speaker 1: When I said it out loud, just keep saying it
Speaker 1: out loud, it's like, that's you know, I'm dedicated to
Speaker 1: that thing and that thing is more important than where
Speaker 1: I currently said. Then maybe that's I think where I
Speaker 1: currently said. Understand that definite hundred How come to Australia,
Speaker 1: fuck it? Yeah, I don't care. I'm not like Rogan, Yeah,
Speaker 1: except in usc there's a certain toughness there. I would
Speaker 1: say that toughness just willing, like I believe Joe Rogan
Speaker 1: could break my spine if he wanted to in about
Speaker 1: thirty seconds flat. But also we're at the back of
Speaker 1: the comedy store one time, mouse run out and Joe
Speaker 1: actually threw me in the path between him and the mouse.
Speaker 1: And so there's like two different toughness and I would
Speaker 1: like to believe that I'm way way tougher on that degree.
Speaker 1: We'll close on that. Everybody, Well, thank you dude, man.
Speaker 1: It's always good to spend time with you in the
Speaker 1: struck fresh It man, I appreciate you to hell you.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's all Episode number thirty three in the books.
Speaker 1: Thank you to Mr Adam green Tree and the green
Speaker 1: Tree kids. They are badasses all. Hopefully you enjoyed that conversation,
Speaker 1: you enjoyed keyring Adam's perspective on life, family, bow hunting,
Speaker 1: adventure and really for me, shines a light on how
Speaker 1: he came up and some of the struggles as a
Speaker 1: young man that he had to go through. It is
Speaker 1: an enlightening story to me and hopefully you found it
Speaker 1: the same. Next time one episode number thirty four, we
Speaker 1: have legendary surfer Shane Dorian straight out of Tona, Hawaii,
Speaker 1: where I joined him at his home to talk about surfing,
Speaker 1: hunting and chasing non native game all around why, which
Speaker 1: we have done together many times. So come back next
Speaker 1: Tuesday morning for Shane Dorian. And in the meantime, if
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