1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to episode number thirty three The Hunting Collective. 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: I've been O'Brien today. I'm joined by Adam green Tree, 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: my buddy from down Under. He just so happens to 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: be in America on quite a I think it's eight 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: month run hunting the States with his family as his 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: wife Kim and his three awesome kids, who you will 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: here at the start of this podcast. And uh, they're 8 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: a perfect family there. They're an Australian family, that's for sure, 9 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: but they're a hell of a good time. Adams a 10 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 1: great person. We've hunted all over the world together, one 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: of my favorite folks in the industry, somebody admired greatly 12 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: for what he does and who he is, where he 13 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: came from. Hopefully we'll learn a lot from that, and 14 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: you'll learn a lot from Mr green Tree. An episode 15 00:00:44,320 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: number thirty three. Here it is Welcome to the Hunting Collective. 16 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: I'm joined today by two special guests, Aaliyah and Noah. Yeah, Yo, 17 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: you're famous pretty Muchah, you're famous. Uh No, not really, 18 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: not yet, is the proper answer. Have either of you 19 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: ever been on a podcast before? No? Never, never, never. 20 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: I'm really good at talking nice that's good. That's good. 21 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: And your dad is who's your dad? Your dad is 22 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: Adam green Tree. Yeah, what do you know about what 23 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: you can tell us about Adam green Tree. He's he's 24 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: a really good person. That's good. He's a good dad. Yeah. 25 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: Um he's a good bar Hunter probably one of the 26 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: best in the world. Um. Uh. He makes fun of 27 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: Cameron hay Taste. Yeah, is that it? That's the horrible 28 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: It's more. It's just it hasn't come in my head. Well, 29 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: my dad is about Hunter and he's really good. He's 30 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: famous on Instagram. He does really cool stuff and that 31 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: I like it. I think that has a good job. 32 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: He has a good job. Yeah, too bad. Kimmy Grant 33 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: Trees not here. Too bad with kim and Tree, tell 34 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: us about your mom's cool. She's about Hunter as well. 35 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: She does pretty good. She still needs a line a 36 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: lot more things, but she's doing good. She's doing good. Yeah. Yeah, 37 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: that's awesome. That's awesome. You guys live in Australia. Yeah, 38 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: but you're here in America six months six months in America. 39 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: We've been here for two months, so that means four months, 40 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: four more months. That's crazy. So, uh, how do you 41 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: like America. It's cool, it's cool. McDonald's. McDonald's is not 42 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: good though, is not good. We discussed this. But you 43 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 1: do like the chickens chicken sandwich though. Yeah, that's good, 44 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: that's good. Oh my god, Helliah, do you what is 45 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: your opinion on McDonald's in America? McDonald's is our okay, 46 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: but it's different than Australians McDonald's, which I don't really like. 47 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's okay, it's okay. Yeah. What else about America? 48 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: Do you? America is fine, but it's just a lot 49 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: different than Australia. It has two things and people are different. 50 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: Like you would be in the middle of nowhere and 51 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: you'll still see cars drive pass. You've been the middle 52 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: of nowhere in Australia and you'll see nothing for like 53 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: a month, the whole month of nothing. Yeah, pretty much 54 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: like Middle Australia, Western Australia, Northern Territory, that type of area, 55 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: like the Kimberly's. You want to say, you want to 56 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: see people, You want to say, you know something really 57 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: nice about America? Yeah, America? America? Yeah, what do you 58 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: tell us? More? That's my favorite state so far is 59 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: Montana and Oregon with that was a hunt with Accubo 60 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: and stuff, and then and then Colorado that was really fun. Yeah, 61 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: what about Idaho? You like that? Yeah, it's fun. It's 62 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: just we've it's we kind of got sick of it. 63 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: It's like it's like there's like stuff to do. But 64 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: once you've done that stuff, it's like you're getting ready 65 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: to go to Kentucky. Yeah. Like we're traveling through like 66 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: South Dakota, Illinois, Louisville and stuff, like with your dad. Yeah, 67 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: my older brother Hunter, he's not here. He's slumped out, 68 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: he's asleep probably Leah. Yeah, and dad. We're gonna be 69 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: traveling to Kentucky in the next few days to go 70 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: to the get what hunt. Yeah, Whiteail in Kentucky with Acubo. Now, 71 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: before you guys, uh, you guys have to go. Yeah, 72 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: before you go, could you just give me one thing 73 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: you've learned about America? One piece of American like a 74 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: fat at your favorite factor in America that you've learned 75 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: during your time. The people are crazy. That's not a fact, 76 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: but we'll go. We'll go that. I don't really have opinion, 77 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: but yeah, there is people are different here than Australian people. 78 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: There's different accents here, which is like completely different slang. 79 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: Like you, guys, you probably don't know what I'm slaying 80 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: right now. I haven't. I haven't understood word you've said. Yeah, 81 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: I heard my name basically, that was it. That's right. 82 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: So you don't didn't learn anything about like the founding fathers, 83 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: maybe public Land or anything. Like Christopher Columbus. Yes, I 84 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: think he. I'm not sure this is I'm kind of guessing, 85 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: but he discovered Columbus and o Hire first and they 86 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: kind of recognized that's a good guess. We're gonna stick 87 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: with that. Columbus got the Columbus first. I mean, that 88 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense, because do you have any historical, 89 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: uhformation to provide that you've learned during your time in America? Sorry, 90 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: but no terrible homeschooling. Oh yeah, um, that's homeschooling is hard. 91 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: It's not really. It depends. So my homeschooling is kind 92 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: of different to everyone else. I So whatever state we 93 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: like travel or like go through a go pass, all 94 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: write like ten facts about that state. So like let's 95 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: just say, for example, Montana, the capital's Helena. The population 96 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: is like three point four six million people. Well done. Yeah, 97 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: that was the three points six million people was kind 98 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: of guess it's something like that. Well, listen, we appreciate 99 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: you being in our country. Yeah, and letting your dad 100 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: hang out with us. Yeah with us. Yeah, and it's sick, 101 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: but you need to come to strut. I'm coming and 102 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan and Steve Ranella. Maybe we'll just all go 103 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: on Netflix together. Yeah Data. Yeah. Yeah, you guys were 104 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: asking who in the office here is a Netflix actor 105 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: and really it's only Steve Rinella. Yeah. Like second, there's 106 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: like there's like people that like kind of like film 107 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: and like like featured on Data. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 108 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah. Yeah, too bad. Adam grand treason't but okay, 109 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: but you never know, never never know. Okay, Well, thanks 110 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: for joining us. Yeah, we're gonna bring your dad on now. 111 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: Let me see if all the things you said are true. Yeah, 112 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: fact check. No, you might want to bring me in 113 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: again because I'm just such a good talking like not 114 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: trying to put myself up, like I'm the best talker 115 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: in the world right now. Currently currently rankings first is 116 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: Adam no Grand Trade, then Steve Rannella his voice This 117 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: one to make you go slate. Now, how old are 118 00:07:55,160 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: you give the people, I'm sixty nine thousand, trily not. 119 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: I'm actually eleven years old. Eleven years I am nine 120 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: years old. I birth day was like a month ago, 121 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: six September. Perfect, well, happy birthday, thank you. Yeah, all right, 122 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: thanks guys. You're welcome. Mr. Green Tree, Mr O'Brien. How 123 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: you doing. I'm doing really well, you are. Yeah, I'm 124 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: probably at the peak of my life or the highlight 125 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 1: of my life right now. I'm telling you, dude, your 126 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: family is awesome. Yes, I awesome. I know this. That's 127 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: why they're my family. That's right, They're not mine yet. Now. 128 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: We were just had lunch here in Bozeman, and I 129 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: was driving down the road and I saw, like, that 130 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: looks like a nice family. Like I saw this picturesque 131 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: family hugging each other, skipping down the road. Happy's hell. 132 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's freaking green trees. That's the green Trees. 133 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: And that's after me and Kim just had an argument 134 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: and we're still like that. What's the secret? I don't know. 135 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the secret is fighting for 136 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: one another, truthfully, just fighting for one another, you know, 137 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: and like not losing your ship over the little things 138 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: and just talking them through and trying to benefit one 139 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: another and be positive. And you know, if if one 140 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: of us isn't positive, then that other person is trying 141 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: to push him in a positive direction. And you know, 142 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: like nothing good comes easier, right, That's the thing, you know. 143 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: So you're like, there's so many relationships that you just 144 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: just see the ars end fallout of so fast because 145 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: they're not willing to work towards something. Kim is not perfect. 146 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: I'm not perfect, And it's like, do you have a 147 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: good friend that you spend enough time with that just 148 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: you know, you'll find something that you don't agree with 149 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: with of course, you know, so imagine because we're all 150 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: strangers essentially, aren't we, you know, And then straight into 151 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: the deeper meaningfuls in this podcast, this is a this 152 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: is a this is where we but you know, like 153 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: your own family, you'll find disagreements with of course, you 154 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: know what I mean, And like before I met him, 155 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: she was just a stranger and now we live in 156 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: our whole lives together, So of course there's going to 157 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: be things that you don't agree with, you know, that 158 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: things that person might do that you know, you dislike that, 159 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: just get over your own ship and work through it. 160 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: You can tell man like you can tell him somebody 161 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: truly loves the person there with, like not just loves 162 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: the idea of marriage or loves the idea of having kids. 163 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: Were truly like, life is made better by that circumstance. 164 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: It's not. It's not fake. There's no and in the 165 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: age of social media, w you're well aware of things 166 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: can seem fake. Yeah, Well, Kim's been with me when 167 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: I've been broke as hell, right, you know what I mean, Like, 168 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: if she was with me at that point, I'm still 169 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: broke as hell right now because I've spending my money 170 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: on hunting. But I'm just saying, you know, if you 171 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: can go through that hard struggle, you know together we've 172 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: being like we've had no vehicle, we've had no money 173 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: for public transport, sort of broke, and you still love 174 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: and cherish each other through that. So yeah, I mean, 175 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: I think you know, most people see that I'm doing 176 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: a podcast with you and expect us to tell all 177 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: kinds of hunting stories and talk about what broadheads were 178 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: using and how to kill the animals and all that stuff. 179 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: But quite honestly, like I think people, I don't know how. 180 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: I know you've talked about this some, but your story 181 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: of where you started and where you are today is 182 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: the one thing about you that amazed me the most, 183 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: like flat out amazing. Um. And I think you well 184 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: know that we probably talked about this before, but the 185 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: struggles that you've gone through have made you such a 186 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: freaking like pressure makes a diamond. Even when it comes 187 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: to hunting. You talk about like you deal with hardship, 188 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: you know, better than anybody I've ever seen, and it 189 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: almost embraced hardship like that's just a part of life. 190 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and tack. Yeah. I think you get 191 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: so used to something like That's what I think it is. 192 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: You get so used to it that like I actually 193 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: crave it now. And and actually it's probably not that 194 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: I crave it. It's just that it doesn't feel that hard, 195 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: you know, because I'm so used to it. You know. 196 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: It's like if you if you were born in the 197 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: dark and at nighttime, wouldn't bother you, do you know 198 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: what I mean? So to live for it, I always 199 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: think it's not going to kill me, even though some 200 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: dumb things that I do nearly do kill me. But 201 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's not gonna kill me. It's 202 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: like the cold, you know, like you get up in 203 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: the morning and camp or whatever, and no one wants 204 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: to get out of their sleeping bag, and then you 205 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 1: get out and just your underwear and you walk around 206 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: the snow. It's like, it's not going to kill me. 207 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna put clothes on soon. It's fine. It's 208 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: just that a little bit of discomfort. Yeah, should but 209 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 1: then just the willingness to to run at it right 210 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: rather than just oh, there it is. There's danger over there. 211 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: I can avoid that and I'll be fine over here. 212 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: But you know, even when you and I hunt in 213 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 1: New Zealand together, you know you're getting close to to 214 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: are that I probably would have everyone went after Yeah, 215 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: I'd be like that's too far. Oh man, I can't 216 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: go across that shell. I can't barracock class a shell 217 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: cliff and running cross and use and pipe over and 218 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: shoot a tar. I won't even go over there. And 219 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: I remember watching you're hearing stories about you going and 220 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: doing those things and thinking that's a different mindset. Yeah, 221 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: that's a different willingness. Yeah, it definitely is. I UM. 222 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: A lot of people ask me about, you know, how 223 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: like how am I regularly successful because I'm not a 224 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: great shot. I'm a good shot. I'm not a great shot, 225 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: but it's the time that I put in and go 226 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: into places that other people probably won't regularly go that, 227 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: you know. I always put it down to that, you know, 228 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: I'm good at reading animals, I'm good at getting into 229 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: places you know that are like well in the back 230 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: country and things like that. And I put a lot 231 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: of my success down to, you know, go on that 232 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: extra mile. Yeah, no, I would agree with that. Well, 233 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: when you were you had a tough charterhood. Let put 234 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: it that way, right, I mean, we've talked about this. 235 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: She told me a story you know, early probably last 236 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: year and year before, and it stuck with me for 237 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: a while because I thought, shit, like is as great 238 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: as your life is right now? There is so much 239 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: learning that everyone could do from what you went through prior. 240 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: Where were you're born? How did the start giving your 241 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: early early life? Yes, I was born in Newcastle in 242 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: New South Wales, Australia. That's pretty much where we've lived 243 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: for the last few years as well. And but my 244 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: parents had uh, their job was like caretaking big ranches, 245 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: like we call them stations in Australia, but big ranches. 246 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: And uh. But my father had a little bit of 247 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: a different childhood than me. He had a good like 248 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: my grandfather was a brilliant man and my name, you know, 249 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: very loving people. But I think my father grew up 250 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: around some bad alcoholics and you know, maybe a little 251 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: bit of mental illness in the family as well. There's 252 00:14:55,880 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: an uncle of mine, uncle Chas, and uh, I was like, 253 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: I'll tell you one of the stories so you sort 254 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: of understand where this man is. But there's a family 255 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: barbecue and like the whole family is over there, and 256 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: my uncle Chas is cooking on the barbecue and they 257 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: have like a little fox terrier like a dog, and 258 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: it runs around it barks a couple of times, and 259 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: no one thinks anything of it, like whoop to do. 260 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: It's just the dog having a bark. And the next 261 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: time the dog runs past him, he picks it up 262 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: by the back legs and swings it over his head 263 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: and cracks it cracks its head on the concrete and 264 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: kills the dog. Like it's like that there's something wrong there, 265 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: like something that guy is not wired properly. I've never 266 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: had anything to do with him, but my father did. 267 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: I think it was around him a lot. And my 268 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: father sort of real bad alcoholic and got into it 269 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: for like I still don't know that, you know, the 270 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: reason or explanation is a part of mental illness or 271 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: what it is. But um so my dad just alcohol 272 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: really bad and then in return he'd get really violent 273 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: against my mother or asked kids, and and another one. 274 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: I'll give you an example of my father. He come 275 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: back drink and this is when we lived like in 276 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: rural New South Wales, like out in the middle of nowhere. 277 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: He comes back drinking from the country pub and a 278 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: dog that we had, gipsy. She just had a litter 279 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: of pups and the pups were yelling every now and then, 280 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: and my mom my dad comes home. My mother's mother's 281 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: crying over my father not returning when he was supposed 282 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: to return and comes back drunk and violent, and he 283 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: thinks it's the dogs, you know. And this is like 284 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: I'm like five or six years old, and he walks 285 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: out to the back door with the gun and like 286 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: shoots all the puppies like in front of me and 287 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: my oldest sister, my younger sister wasn't born yet. And 288 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: but it just goes to show how, you know, that 289 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: sort of violent that man was and us kids, and 290 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: I'm going through that violent with him. You know, we 291 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: weren't shot, but basically were the puppies yelping. And then 292 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: as I got a bit older, because he ended up 293 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: being in and out of jail for like violence and 294 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: stuff like that. So I sort of grew up without 295 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: a father figure from about seven years old onwards. Um, 296 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: And I actually was probably going into a dark place 297 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: myself as I was, you know, hitting my lady teens 298 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: and things like that, and I started going camping more 299 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: and like fishing, like outdoors things, and I just you know, 300 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: just I don't know. It was my escape, was how 301 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: I got away from you, even my own miserable thoughts, 302 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: let alone someone I didn't want my life, because what 303 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: that does when a family separates, especially in Australia, puts 304 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: you in another worst place. You know, if you're a 305 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: single mother with three kids, like my mom, she had 306 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: to live in like really a really cheap community like 307 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: basically what you have in America as the projects we 308 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: live in, housing commissions and generally those those areas, like 309 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: those towns or suburbs. It's all housing commission, so it 310 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: puts a certain person people in that area, you know, 311 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of violence. And I set it 312 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: on someone else's podcast that before I was like third 313 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: or fourteen years old, I'd witnessed murder, rape, suicide on 314 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: multiple occasions and stuff like that. And one of the cases, 315 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: I was actually the only witness to a rape that 316 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: had happened. It happened at my house, and the girl 317 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: she didn't want to come forward. She was so embarrassed 318 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: about it what had happened. And that guy end up 319 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: getting off scott free. Nothing ever happened to him. Say anyway, 320 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,239 Speaker 1: I'm just you know, it's like if you grew up 321 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 1: not eating your vegetables, you know, that's for your like 322 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: physical health. When you grow up in an environment like that, 323 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: that's your mental health. You know. It's like you're not 324 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: getting fed vegetables for the brain seeing all that violence 325 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But how I came out of 326 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: it really was for you know, originally the outdoors and 327 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: especially you know, bow hunting, Like I just bo hunt, 328 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: as you know, because it would take me deeper into 329 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: the woods. You know, it would ground me further to 330 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: you know, the outdoors, and that really helped me. And 331 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: then obviously you know, meeting Kim and because I grew 332 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: up very simple, where I just I want, like wanted 333 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 1: a couple of things. You know, it was like a 334 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: four drive to go for driving, like get me outdoors, 335 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: and you know, I wanted the wife and my own 336 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: family so I could prove to myself more than anyone 337 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: that I wasn't my father. You know, I wasn't that 338 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: violent drunk. And I don't drink still to this day 339 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: because of you know, even though I'm not like I 340 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: did drink a little bit in my teens. Even though 341 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: I'm not a violent drunk, I'm a happy drunk. It's 342 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: it turned me off drinking so much because I would 343 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: see my father go from the best man that I 344 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: knew to the worst man that I knew through drinking, 345 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: you know, and looked like it was that sweet. She 346 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: has an actual problem with drinking. Like I'm not saying 347 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: everyone does, because lots of people drink and they're absolutely 348 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: fine on it. But my father does something that switches 349 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: a different switch where he becomes you know, he's got 350 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: to turn the violence. And yeah, and you spent time 351 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: on the street time homeless. I was homeless. I was 352 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: homeless when I was fourteen years old, so like fourteen fifteen, 353 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: I was homeless. And I end up going and living 354 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: with a very loving auntie of mine and she put 355 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: me back in school and things like that, and it 356 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: was just a much better environment. But um, I don't know, 357 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: I just kept slipping off the train tracks and you know, 358 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: sort of once I could just walk out and go 359 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: hunting myself, that that made the big difference. And then obviously, Kim, 360 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: the kids, do you know, do you ever feel like 361 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: in their situations where you I mean, I think I 362 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: know the answer. This your there's some desperation to get out, 363 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: I mean, is that's your daily motivation or you feel 364 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: like this is my life and I'm you know, you 365 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: didn't accept where you were. Obviously, I was just happy 366 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: with where I was and to the point where I'm like, 367 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: I would constantly think I only live once. This is 368 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: another waste a day. You're in the trash. You don't 369 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: want to be here, you know, And then when you 370 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: get put in a position like that, you know, like 371 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: where you don't have finances, you don't have food things 372 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: like that, because like talking about living on the streets, 373 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: you don't have time to think about those better things 374 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: like going outdoors, you know, or finding a good girl 375 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: or something like that, you know, or benefiting your life 376 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: as in getting the job and things like that. There's 377 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: only enough time in the day to think about when 378 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: my next meal coming, When am I sleeping tonight? How 379 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: am I keeping warm? You know, And there's all dangers 380 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: that come on living on the streets. There's other people 381 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: on the streets as well. There's other people that try 382 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: and rob you and all sorts of things, you know, 383 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: So it's like there's you don't have the comfort to 384 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: think of how you're going to benefit your life, you know, 385 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: in the long term, it's just how am I benefiting 386 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: my life today? Because you're hungry, you know, Like you 387 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: don't realize is how good it is eat food until 388 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: you're starving, hungry to a point that you can't go 389 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 1: and get it. Like if we're hungry now, we'll walk 390 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: next door getting something from the cafe. When we bring 391 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: it to take all that away where you don't have 392 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: money to buy food, you know, you don't have hunting 393 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: or you don't live on the land to just go 394 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: and get food. And that's why I think it's also 395 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: so so appealing to be able to go out now 396 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: today and you know, go and shoot a deer and 397 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: have meat or even if it's like bush tucker or 398 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: food you know from the forest, whatever it is, berries 399 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: or something. That's why that's so appealing and feels good 400 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: because I've been at the complete opposite and when there's 401 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: when there's nothing on the street. Yeah, I mean, it's 402 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: it's got to change, you. I mean, there's no way 403 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't it. Especially. I always like to talk about perspective, 404 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: like wilderness provides, you know, unique perspectives. Places you've gone, 405 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: things that are you and I've done together, provide perspective 406 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: on being here. You're sitting in traffic, You're like, no problem. Yeah, 407 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: at least at least my kids are in the back screaming. 408 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: At least they're there. This is actually non an issue. 409 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: This there's something not to be upset about, you know, 410 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: like yeah, and that's what why you know, you're that 411 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: part of your story is as important as your current state, 412 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: because your ability to be happy, I think is and 413 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: my observation has drilled down into your perspective on life 414 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: and what it could be, definitely what it was for you. 415 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: And I think our modern society lacks some fucking perspective. 416 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: I think there's there's just this whole culture that just 417 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: takes everything for granted, you know, like it's even a 418 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: light switch, fresh water out of the tap, you know, 419 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: and you only need to go for it. You don't 420 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: have to live on the streets. You just need to 421 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: go for a trip to Africa like Mosa Beagle, Zimbabwe 422 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: or somewhere like that, you know, and you're going to 423 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: these villages where they don't have money to buy a 424 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: blanket when it's cold. But even if they did have money, 425 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: there's no one making blankets. There's no there's no there's 426 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: no reality where it gets warmer for you via blanket. Now, 427 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: when we went to Nepaul, it was much like that. 428 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: You just realized that this guy we had the example 429 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,479 Speaker 1: I always uses, there was a gut chopping down this 430 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: giant oak tree, this giant live oak tree. I mean 431 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: it's big round as his table, and he was just 432 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: had an old rusty axe and he was whacking this tree. 433 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: And I thought, this dude has no concept of a chainsaw, 434 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: and no one around here is even seen a chainsaw. 435 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: And here this guy is. That's just his life. He 436 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: gets up in the morning, it chops at this tree 437 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: for probably twelve hours. He goes home and sleeps in 438 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: the dirt. Aference, it's still probably playing the flute in 439 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: the morning, dancing around at night, happy as ever. Like 440 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: the human condition, that human condition is way simpler and 441 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: there's no existential freaking, you know, problems like we have 442 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: in our world. So I think maybe that's why I'm 443 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 1: happy doing is the what could be considered the misery 444 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: of the world as well, because it's like I'm I'm 445 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: happy doing this. I'm definitely happy to turn on the lights, 446 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: which flushing a toilet. Well, there's like a voluntary misery. 447 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: Is you get perspective on voluntary misery when you've had 448 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: it forced upon you, Yeah, exactly, when you don't have anything. Yeah, 449 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: going out and intentionally not having anything as an exercise 450 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: and like mental health, yeah definitely. Yeah. I always feel 451 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: like it's like physical for the brain. You know, you 452 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: go through these different challenges and you know, voluntary toughness, 453 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: you know, where you're going out into the wild and 454 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: just you know, sometimes maybe experiencing things that you weren't 455 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: playing on it, but you just deal with it, you know, 456 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: you put the puzzle together and you deal with it, 457 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: and then it's like a yes, yes I did. Constant winds, 458 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: they're like constant Mount Everest that you conquer. No, I 459 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,959 Speaker 1: was just we're just had change during the last time 460 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: we were hunting in Hawaii and him and I sitting 461 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: up on this vista looking down across this area beautiful 462 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: are and I think both at the same time we 463 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: just thought like, we are more comfortable here. We're more 464 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: happy and enjoy here in a place where we don't 465 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: have and inside we don't sleep in a tent. We're 466 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: eating kind of what we kill and whatever we brought. 467 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: But we're way more comfortable here. That's sitting in the 468 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: Russia definitely chains a specially human eye. Yeah, especially here. Yeah, 469 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: it's amazing, dude. And then you and I have been 470 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: through that in New Zealand, Like I mean, there's just 471 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: there's just a different feeling and you're just a tap 472 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: you're freaking human being. Yeah. Yesterday, me and Kim more 473 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: of a tourist location, but myself, Kim and the kids 474 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: were at the boiling River and yellow Stone there, and 475 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: so it's like where the the waters like boiling out 476 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: of the ground like third degree burns if you stick 477 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 1: your hand in it. And it's running into that freezing 478 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: cold like ice melt and stuff, you know, coming out 479 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: of yellow Stone, and there's the mix of the water 480 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: and you're get in the right place and it's just 481 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: the perfect temperature, like sitting in the hot bath and 482 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: it's hailing, like we're in there with all the kids. 483 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: It's hailing the hail and you know, it's absolutely freezing, 484 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: but it's like only on our heads. The rest of 485 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: our bodies underwater. And then you've got like this unbelievable 486 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: landscape the whole way around your snow cap mountains. You know, 487 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: I'm just jaggedy as anything. And we both sort of 488 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: looked at each other and we're just like have a 489 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: think where we are and what we're doing right now, 490 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: Like this is absolutely amazing, and it's like feel for 491 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: the brain, you know, memories the last of lifetime. Yeah, 492 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: if you can do if you're in a position where 493 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: you have the ability to do that, You're in this 494 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: beautiful place and you start once or twice a day 495 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: and just look around like, wait a minute, yeah, wait 496 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: a minute, Yeah this is as good as it gets. 497 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: Sure this coffee sucks. Sure, Sure, this coffee sucks. Sure, 498 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: my shoelaces are out of my shoe. Funk around. How 499 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: lucky are we? So get So you're we've covered the 500 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: sort of the miserable part of your life and at 501 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: some point things started to change. When when did you 502 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: notice or when did you start to feel like your 503 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: life was going in the direction and you felt necessary 504 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: As soon as I started going out into the wilderness more, 505 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: you know, that was a big part, because that starts 506 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: to say that you're getting more comfortable in life as well. 507 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: So I've got a job. I just I wanted to 508 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: wanted to work towards having a good job, good income 509 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: because I realized and this sort of sucks in our society. 510 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: But unless you're living off the grid in some form, 511 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: you know, and it usually takes money to even get 512 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: to that point where you can live off the grid. Unfortunately, 513 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: you need a good job to do things in today's society, 514 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: you know, especially if you want to travel the world. 515 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: Things like that. You know, even if you want to 516 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: travel your own country, fuel cost money, a cart cost money. Insurances, 517 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: there's no matter what money capitalizing in some way against 518 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,959 Speaker 1: you because everything is starting to cost money. You go 519 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: into yellow Stone, it costs to get paid to get 520 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: in there. You gotta in this country, at least you've 521 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: got to pay for tags and licensing and everything like that. 522 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: So you do need a job, you know. And so 523 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: I started working towards getting a job. And then and 524 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: I had a couple of jobs just like I had. 525 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: I worked at foot locker and and I was going 526 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: to ask you to go through all your all your 527 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: jobs prior to the one year. Well, actually I dropped 528 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: out of school early because I got back in the 529 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: school and mom and dad got back together somehow. I 530 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: don't know freaking why or how that happened, but mom 531 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: and dad got back together, and they, you know, I 532 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: got back into schooling and stuff like that. I actually 533 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: fell out of school because all those years have been 534 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: in rural Australia, I didn't have a lot of schooling 535 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,959 Speaker 1: and I was actually deaf in one ear and they 536 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: didn't know. They just thought I was disobedient in the class. 537 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: Actually couldn't hear what the teacher was saying. And it 538 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: was really tough schooling when I did go, because there 539 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: was like one classroom because like very remote, so all 540 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: the country kids would come in and it was like 541 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: I think there was like kids in the one school 542 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: and of all different grades. So the teacher just come 543 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: and spend a bit of time view or give you 544 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: a little bit of paperwork if you're old enough to 545 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: read and whatnot. They thought I was really disobedient, but 546 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: I just couldn't hear because they didn't pick up that 547 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: I was completely different one here, and so I lacked 548 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: in a lot of schooling and end up dropping out 549 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: because I just couldn't catch up, and um, where was 550 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: I even going with this? I just started thinking about this. Sorry, 551 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: I dropped out of school and went landscaping, and I 552 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: went from landscaping to fencing, you know, like domestic fencing 553 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: wooden timber fences and stuff like that. And through that 554 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: I actually learned to worked really hard because I was 555 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: on like you'd get paid per lineal meter and it 556 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: was like peanuts. It was like a dollar fifty or 557 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: lineal meter, so that nail gun had to be going 558 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: off like an a k. You know, I had to 559 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: be gone for anyway. I learned and I was making 560 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: good money out of it, and the building game sort 561 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,239 Speaker 1: of crashed a bit, and I'm getting the job at 562 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: foot Locker, and I ended up meeting Kim. She worked 563 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: at Super, so that like that all worked like in 564 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: the mall. You guys meant yeah, in the mall, but 565 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: I hated it because we ain't jumping over that. Uh well, 566 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: you met at the mall. There's like at the food court. 567 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: But so I was my little sister's guardian when I 568 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: was like eighteen, and actually before I was even legal. 569 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: I was like an unlawful guardian because my mother had 570 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: left to another city and my sister they didn't get 571 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: along at all. So end up looking after my little sister. 572 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: But I couldn't give her any money for lunch or 573 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: anything because she spend it on smokes or some that 574 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: she didn't need. So on my lunch break, I would 575 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: go and give her some money for lunch or take 576 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: lunch to her. And she was actually at Super and 577 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: Kim was the boss there. She was the manager. I 578 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: just went in and seen this good looking blonde girl 579 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: or whatever, and yeah, I've never been shy, and I 580 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: just asked her out straight away and she sort of 581 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: freaked out, she just met me or whatever, and then yeah, 582 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: we end up going out for dinner that night, and 583 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: we're actually pretty much been together ever since that first night. 584 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: A Kim and her background was not it was a 585 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: little more stable than your est. Definitely came out of 586 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: car already sort of thing. And she wasn't a le 587 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: guardian of anyone yet, she wasn't a guardian of her siblings, 588 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: but um, and then it was like meeting the Brady Bunch, 589 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: like Kim's family, you know, like going back and like 590 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: you know, roast meat and like roast vegetables and beautiful 591 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: cooked meal and like no swearing in the house, and 592 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: the house clean and tidy and in a good location, 593 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: and like it was like actually really foreign to me, 594 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: you know, and that wasn't appealing, Like it's not like, 595 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: that's not why I chased Kim. That wasn't the appealing part. 596 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: I had no idea, but you know, as things turned out, 597 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: you know, Kim comes from a broken family as well, 598 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: where parents are separated and things like that, but you know, 599 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: like still absolutely lovely family, just on a different level 600 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: of no violence or anything like that, and just really 601 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: comfortable household and yeah, now we're married and years series 602 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: have been together for that long. That's I'm thirty eight, 603 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: so twenty years. Don't let her know, you're not sure? 604 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: Yeah so, but yes. I and up working at foot 605 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: locker and I hated because they pushed sales. I hated. 606 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: It was like lying to someone like, oh, you look 607 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: really good in those shoes. You should buy a pair 608 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: of socks and the shoes. Yeah, you know what you 609 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:17,280 Speaker 1: need with those shoes, say, yeah, multi sales. I couldn't 610 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: do that. I didn't sit right with me at all. 611 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: I didn't like it. And there was no money. It 612 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,760 Speaker 1: was peanuts and we weren't going anywhere. And then I started. 613 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: I went back into construction and I started my own 614 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 1: business in Canberra, which is the capital of Australia. And 615 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: same it was like the that's the whole building industry 616 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: and in Australia like booms and drops and booms and drops, 617 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: and it's like you never had a comfortable income. And 618 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: it was like we'd pay for the bills for that 619 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: month and you'd be left with zero dollars, like maybe 620 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: a bit of fuel to go somewhere, and we'd travel 621 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 1: and when I say travel I only mean like three 622 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: or four hours somewhere and come back. And Western Australia 623 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: had all these jobs advertised because the mining was booming 624 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 1: in Western Australia. And and I've going to going over 625 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: to Western Australia, like a big move that's like a 626 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,439 Speaker 1: three or four day drive from where I lived in Nothing, 627 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: and it is like there's like the city of Perth 628 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: and then nothing, just the picturesque coastline where the desert 629 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: runs into beautiful water. And I'm trying to talk to 630 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: you and Ronnella in the coming over. It's such a 631 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: beautiful destination. But um yeah. And then we went over 632 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: there and all the good money that was advertised wasn't 633 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: that good, and it was the same we'll just make 634 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: an ends meet and all actually even fallen behind a bit. 635 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 1: But then right up north in Western Australia, so like 636 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 1: the Northwest, where it's like like I mean remote, like 637 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,720 Speaker 1: eighteen hours drive without com pass any sort of city 638 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: or decent sort of population. And we went up there 639 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 1: and the money was a little bit better, but not great. 640 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: And I was doing all these big hunts as well, 641 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: and I would go away from work, so I would 642 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: go hunting for a week. That was no income for 643 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: a week. You know, we just we've had Hunter and 644 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 1: my eldest and I think, um, we'll plan on having 645 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: other kids. And it's like this just isn't working. And 646 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: I started thinking, what are you gotta do? Well, you 647 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 1: gotta start your own business. You've got to have something 648 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: where when you step away, you know, the will keeps 649 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: rolling and money keeps coming in. And that's why you 650 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: end up doing it and starting my business. And you know, 651 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: I worked very hard at it, and there was a 652 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: good period there where I did very little hunting, got 653 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: a little rolling, and then you know, now it sort 654 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: of runs itself and I can go away, and you know, 655 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: everyone's like, how do you get sponsored? How do you 656 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: get sponsored? You sponsor yourself because you're spending and not 657 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: spending your own money, Like you get yourself out there, 658 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: yourself out there. But that's the like, I think that's 659 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,959 Speaker 1: key to your success story, the story of your life. 660 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: The kid of how you have successes is you got 661 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: to a point where you're paying bills and you had 662 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: a family you cared about, and then fairly quickly, quickly 663 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 1: than quicker than most people, he turned around to having 664 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 1: a very successful business that allows you to provide for 665 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: that family in a way that you've never been provided 666 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: for and do what you wanted to do, do what 667 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 1: you were passionate, which is hang out with them and 668 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: go huh like that's you're not even forty. Yeah, yeah, 669 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: and some years ago you were you know, in poverty 670 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: on the street, broke as a bit. So I think 671 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: that's to me, that's important for people to know about 672 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 1: you and so understand, you know, no matter how hard 673 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: something might seem, that it can quickly turn into something 674 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: pretty kick ass. Yeah, I'm glad I did it that way. Now, 675 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: now that it's done with, it's easy to say, like, 676 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: I'm glad I owned it that way because I appreciate 677 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: everything so much, you know, and I don't take anything 678 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: for granted. And I realized how lucky I am, and 679 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: I realized how quickly I could go back to that 680 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: as well, you know, because just nothing's might up in 681 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: this world. You know, I didn't know what tomorrow holds. 682 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 1: But that's another reason why I'm so happy for today. 683 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I don't know if you're like me, 684 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 1: but now my kids don't got one kid, but he's 685 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,919 Speaker 1: getting older, and I'm I stay up at Nate sometime 686 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: just thinking about like what his futures are going to be. Yeah, 687 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: like that's on me. That is on me to make 688 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 1: sure that thing is good. Yeah, definitely. And you've only 689 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: got so long to influence, I mean, you know, And 690 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: that's like my biggest fear is the future and my kids, 691 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: you know. And it's like I'm not a person that 692 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: fears much or thinks about much, but I'm just like, like, 693 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 1: I worry for our future generation. I definitely do, you know. 694 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: And it's like and and kids will trip you out 695 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: because they're they're not you. They're not you. They are 696 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: to a certain age. And then it's like who are 697 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 1: they hanging out with? Though, because it's hard to monitor 698 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: him in school and things like that. And so far, 699 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: we've been very lucky that I hunting My eldest son, 700 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: who's in high school. He's just gotten in with a 701 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 1: good crowd, you know, like the other kids at school. 702 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 1: We met them all and things like that that he 703 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 1: hangs with, and they're seemed to be really sensible. And 704 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: you know, I remember when I was growing up, there 705 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: was some real shotty kids at school, you know, like 706 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 1: there was kids that are already sort of into doing 707 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: drugs and things like that. And it's like, and I was, 708 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: I sort of fell in with that crowd for a 709 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 1: while as well, you know, and I'm just lucky that I'm, 710 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 1: you know, a strong minded person that I could sort 711 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: of get out of that. And I did because I 712 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,800 Speaker 1: was like, yes, this it's constant drama. There's something constantly happening, 713 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,320 Speaker 1: you know, I think I do you call it wag 714 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 1: school here where you skip school? Yeah, Like I skipped 715 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: school for like twenty nine days in a row when 716 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: I was in high school, and every day was just 717 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: going out of these kids and getting up the mischief 718 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 1: and and I suppose there was a little bit of 719 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: peer pressure there, you know, to keep doing that, you know, 720 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: because it's like they're my friends and stuff like that. 721 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: And then somewhere along the lawn, I just went, I've 722 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: got to stop hanging with this crowd. I've got to 723 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,879 Speaker 1: stop doing this. How do you I've had My dad 724 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: tells the story that somewhere during college, because I was 725 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: always a C plus B plus two, I was always 726 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: the dumbest kid in smart class, or the kid that 727 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,760 Speaker 1: didn't apply himself in the smart class. Somewhere during college, 728 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: I think I walked up with my dad. I'm like, listen, man, 729 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,879 Speaker 1: I'm tired of this bullshit. I'm gonna get all as 730 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 1: from now, like I'm just gonna now. I'm just gonna 731 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 1: apply myself because I'm tired of what has been happening 732 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: in my life. And I did. And he's tells that 733 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 1: story like I don't remember that, but he does. And um, 734 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: I've got a lot of friends that my hometown back 735 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: in Maryland is basically is straight up heroin den like Opie, 736 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,919 Speaker 1: it's our problem. And I've got half a dozen friends 737 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,280 Speaker 1: that are either in jail or dead from high school 738 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: or earlier on. I always think about, like those guys 739 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: were me, We were this. We grew up in the 740 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 1: same place with with both all with you know, good parents, 741 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: in the same little area. But some of them, like 742 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: I took, I decided not to when they didn't decide 743 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 1: not to. Do you think everyone? Do you think everyone 744 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: can make that decision? But they don't. Because That's what 745 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 1: I struggle with because so many people grow up like 746 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: I do, and they just followed their fathers or their 747 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 1: mother's footsteps exactly the same. Like how did I get 748 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,800 Speaker 1: to veer off? How did I make the decision? I 749 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 1: don't want to be like that, but other people don't 750 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: because it seems like everyone would be aware that this 751 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: isn't a good lof style. Yeah, no, everybody. I think 752 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: everybody is aware that these environments are negative. When you're 753 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: in them, you're aware. And I wasn't in a negative environment, 754 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: but drugs were around. Things are around, and I knew 755 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: if I continue down this road it's not good. But 756 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 1: some people, I wonder if it's just a space and 757 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: time thing. You think, this is a stage of my life, 758 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 1: this is fun right now, these are my people right now. 759 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 1: I'll eventually get out of it. And then you never 760 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: do you die or you go to prison, or that 761 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: becomes your life and you can't get out. And some 762 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: people start and think, wait a minute, this is there's 763 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,399 Speaker 1: a turning point here in my life. I can either 764 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: go down this path and it can be it can 765 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 1: become my life and it's going to be shipped, or 766 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 1: I can turn things around. There's definitely a recipe that 767 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: puts you into that position. And it's like when you 768 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,799 Speaker 1: are living off welfare or something like that that there's 769 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,439 Speaker 1: a lot more negativity around you, and it seems it's 770 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 1: like the easy way out, like well, I'll just take 771 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 1: drugs or whatever, or there's a recipe there that pushes 772 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 1: people into that position, you know, And like I just 773 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 1: always struggle with that. I'm because I'm no better than 774 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 1: anyone else. But how how do they make that decision? 775 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: I want to know what it takes, what it talked 776 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 1: to make that decision, And if everyone can make it, 777 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: then why aren't they? Because that's not a future that's 778 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 1: good for anybody. And the odds are stacked against you. 779 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: In your situation, the odds were absolutely stacked against I mean, 780 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: and then the odds were not in my position. I was, 781 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 1: my parents were well off, we lived in the suburbs. 782 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: The odds were not stacked against me. I mean, I 783 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,960 Speaker 1: could have gone the way that some of my friends went, um, 784 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 1: but none of our odds were stacked up like yours were. 785 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 1: But there's many many people in situations just like you 786 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: were that either don't see the way out or just 787 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 1: don't have the fortitude to take it or make the past. 788 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 1: I always feel like there's there's something mentally going on, 789 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 1: you know, where wherever it's a little bit mentally stronger 790 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,400 Speaker 1: or something. But I'm very like, I'm always very headstrong, 791 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 1: you know, like that one voice if something inside my 792 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 1: head says I can't do it, fuck you, I'm gonna 793 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,319 Speaker 1: give up my best and if I die doing it 794 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,359 Speaker 1: like that sort of headstrong, and I you know, my 795 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,879 Speaker 1: I spent my last well, I spent a long time 796 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: in my life being or not people like you and 797 00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: people like Rogan and just very successful people. And you 798 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,360 Speaker 1: start to see similarities, and that's one of them. Yeah, sure, 799 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 1: that's one of them. There's just this unrelenting need to 800 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 1: climb the mountain, climb that even if the mountain is 801 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 1: way taller than you can even see, it's like, I'm 802 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 1: just gonna keep climbing. Yeah, And then eventually gets at 803 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: the top and some people start halfway up and they 804 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,319 Speaker 1: don't know. I probably couldn't even explain it to you. Yeah, yeah, 805 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,759 Speaker 1: I can't do that. I think I've quit, like on 806 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,759 Speaker 1: two or three things in my whole life. One of 807 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: those things I always tell this story was um and 808 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 1: I don't mean like quitting as in, you didn't kill 809 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,480 Speaker 1: an elk, so you're still up in the mountains two 810 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: years later, especially in land and frigging Montana. But I 811 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,280 Speaker 1: mean as in, if you're planned a twenty day hunt, 812 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,839 Speaker 1: there's a good chance and I'm unsuccessful, there's a good 813 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: chance I'll come out on twenty one or twenty two 814 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 1: and miss my flights and whatever else. But one time 815 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: was I had Laura's era and she's like a survivalist. 816 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 1: She's like she's kicked us and makeing the fends and 817 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,239 Speaker 1: stuff like that, and it's like wet and raining, and 818 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, now is the perfect time to try and 819 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,319 Speaker 1: start a fire with sticks rubbing sticks together. So like 820 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,520 Speaker 1: I've been going to that for like twenty minutes, and 821 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 1: I found like a shoulder bone of like a deer, 822 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 1: and I had that as the weight pushing down. I 823 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,400 Speaker 1: made my little bow and it was darkened up the 824 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 1: timber and it was getting hot. And she comes over 825 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: in like ten fifteen minutes. She's got this roaring fire 826 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,360 Speaker 1: going like she makes his bow and she's like, and 827 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: that's what she does. And I've done it plenty of 828 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,280 Speaker 1: times before, but not with hardwood like the Austrain hardwood, 829 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: and not when it's wet and damp like that. And 830 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 1: I'm going at it for like two and a half 831 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: three hours, cramped over my legs and cramped my backs 832 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 1: because you're like running the you know, like a string 833 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:56,080 Speaker 1: saw the whole time rubbing the stick. And that was 834 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 1: like the first time I'd ever given up on something 835 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,919 Speaker 1: that I wanted to do. And I remember that. I'll 836 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,759 Speaker 1: never forget that because it was like, literally it's like ship, 837 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:09,440 Speaker 1: I'm actually going to give up because my friend Andrews, 838 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,919 Speaker 1: all my kids, they were all packed up, they're ready 839 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,319 Speaker 1: to leave, and I still had them sitting there for 840 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,160 Speaker 1: like an hour. I'm trying to get it going on, 841 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,719 Speaker 1: like I have to give up. This is now not 842 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,480 Speaker 1: fun for anyone. And I gave up on light in 843 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,880 Speaker 1: that fire, you know, And I'll never forget that. I 844 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,239 Speaker 1: can't remember what the second or third thing was. But 845 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is there's something in my head that 846 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 1: won't let me give up. You know who will say like, 847 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,319 Speaker 1: if you don't do this, you're useless. Don't give up, 848 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,560 Speaker 1: don't give up. And I can never break a promise. 849 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:43,239 Speaker 1: If I promise you something, then I'm coming through. Well, 850 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,439 Speaker 1: like I said that, our society in the situation you're 851 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,799 Speaker 1: in coming up and even daily like you're offered ways out. 852 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,359 Speaker 1: Technology is a way out um many of our minern 853 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,239 Speaker 1: ways that communicates a way out. You could literally live. 854 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,360 Speaker 1: You can live in a house and never leave it 855 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,399 Speaker 1: and be a successful person in our society. So there's 856 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,920 Speaker 1: many ways out, and it's like are you willing to 857 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,880 Speaker 1: take them or not? You know, there's welfare, there's people, 858 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,120 Speaker 1: people will pay your way if you you can gain 859 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,640 Speaker 1: the system. The system is gamable for sure, Yeah, definitely, 860 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 1: But if you're just unwilling to just yeah, it's just 861 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,359 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like a way to live a very fulfilled life, 862 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,040 Speaker 1: you know. And that's like my goal is to live 863 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 1: a very fulfilled life and bring as many people along 864 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,040 Speaker 1: as I can for them. You know. I was talking 865 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,840 Speaker 1: to someone about this the other day, and it was 866 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,960 Speaker 1: the guys that Mountaknops where you know, if you can 867 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,279 Speaker 1: do good, you've sort of got to look after yourself first, right. 868 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 1: You get yourself in such a way that you're comfortable, 869 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,839 Speaker 1: and then you know, and then you can bring your 870 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,319 Speaker 1: wife in or your girlfriend, you can bring your kids in, 871 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,120 Speaker 1: and and you get to a point where you can 872 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,120 Speaker 1: look after all your immediate family and friends, you know, 873 00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,239 Speaker 1: so it's like they're all happy like, you know, it's 874 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,520 Speaker 1: a big positive circle and you bring everyone in. Then 875 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,200 Speaker 1: you know, if you've looked after all those and in 876 00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,839 Speaker 1: my position, then I can start looking after other people too, 877 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,920 Speaker 1: you know, and do and you've done this, you know, 878 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,359 Speaker 1: anyone in our position can do this. Where it's like 879 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,279 Speaker 1: the you know, I've got to keep it clean at 880 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:18,120 Speaker 1: the moment where where I'm giving away pretty much all 881 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 1: of my hunting gear that I've used this season, I'm 882 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,239 Speaker 1: giving away all of my hunting gear for anyone that 883 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,080 Speaker 1: gets random pretty much randomly picked for picking up rubbish 884 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,360 Speaker 1: from in the back country. Because one thing I've noticed, 885 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,480 Speaker 1: and it drives me nuts, is you go back into 886 00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,160 Speaker 1: days beautiful you know, Christine places, and then there's like 887 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,919 Speaker 1: a beer can for one of those bloody helium things 888 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,480 Speaker 1: or whatever, and it's like fun, this so doesn't belong here, 889 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,480 Speaker 1: you know, And so I can start spending energy on 890 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,600 Speaker 1: doing other things, you know, like promoting keep it clean. Um, 891 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,880 Speaker 1: you know, I can start spending time on promoting anything, 892 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,879 Speaker 1: you know, a cause for cancer or anything like that. 893 00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:01,840 Speaker 1: And I don't know, it's like it's it's still uh 894 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,440 Speaker 1: because we're trying to say it's like it's a selfish act, 895 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,080 Speaker 1: but it's not because then I feel good because I've 896 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,080 Speaker 1: done good, you know, if I can make someone else 897 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,520 Speaker 1: happy and things like that. So well, just because there's 898 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,080 Speaker 1: and I talked about this when we were announcing our 899 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,600 Speaker 1: new company here media drink about like you get up 900 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,040 Speaker 1: in the morning and why, like what's your why why 901 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,040 Speaker 1: are you doing what you're doing? And when it comes 902 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,280 Speaker 1: to creating stuff like this media, you know, you're social media, 903 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,080 Speaker 1: any any messaging where you're putting yourself outside to the world, 904 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,160 Speaker 1: it's like, do you care about the audience? Do you 905 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,279 Speaker 1: care about the people that would listen to that? And 906 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,919 Speaker 1: all and all of them in their totality? Like I care, 907 00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,800 Speaker 1: I kind of know what my audience is. I understand 908 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,080 Speaker 1: that we share values, and I understand that we share 909 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,400 Speaker 1: a space and hunting and we share the outside world. 910 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,960 Speaker 1: And like, do do I care about you? Do I 911 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,439 Speaker 1: legitimately fucking care about you? Because if I don't, then 912 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,560 Speaker 1: this is all bullshit. This is all virtue signaling, and 913 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,040 Speaker 1: this is all me trying to look important and really special? 914 00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,960 Speaker 1: Or do I really care about you? Do I really 915 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,799 Speaker 1: want you to? You know? I know you and I 916 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,120 Speaker 1: know that you care, and I know that your interest 917 00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:06,839 Speaker 1: stories are a way to take people along and give 918 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,040 Speaker 1: them a window into what their life could be like 919 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,279 Speaker 1: or what they could get even if they I'm not 920 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,880 Speaker 1: trying to tell them to be hunters either. I'm just 921 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,120 Speaker 1: trying to say this is out there. I really enjoy 922 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,680 Speaker 1: it and benefit from it, you could too. And if 923 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,880 Speaker 1: you don't have about some understanding that this is where 924 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,200 Speaker 1: meat comes from, or this is beautiful and we need 925 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,600 Speaker 1: to keep this, you know, public, We need to keep 926 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,279 Speaker 1: this land, you know. We can't just keep laying concrete 927 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:38,480 Speaker 1: over top of ground, you know. And it's I don't know, 928 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,360 Speaker 1: it gets forgotten because there's people in the city that 929 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,480 Speaker 1: don't even know that exists. They don't even think about it. 930 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,399 Speaker 1: It's not part of their thought, you know. And that's 931 00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,200 Speaker 1: and I care for the person that I've never ever 932 00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,040 Speaker 1: met before. I care for the stranger on the street. 933 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,719 Speaker 1: I care for those people that are walking past this 934 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,960 Speaker 1: building right now. They look pretty cool, they look pretty cool, 935 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,799 Speaker 1: They're good. Yeah, you know, just we can. I just 936 00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,719 Speaker 1: want everyone to be happy. And then I think part 937 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,520 Speaker 1: of that's the beauty of social media, but part of 938 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,319 Speaker 1: the problem is you constantly put yourself out there right, 939 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,240 Speaker 1: You're constantly messaging around the things you care about, and 940 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,160 Speaker 1: then it becomes oh, you get sponsored. It's a business, 941 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,720 Speaker 1: and those things start to come together in a weird 942 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:20,399 Speaker 1: way and people can start to think, well sold out 943 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,080 Speaker 1: or oh did this? Well? You like the word byproduct. 944 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,000 Speaker 1: It's just a byproduct of what I do, you know, 945 00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,879 Speaker 1: and if that and it helps you do what I do, 946 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,560 Speaker 1: like it does, I'd do it anyway because I did. 947 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,239 Speaker 1: You were doing it before. Anybody gives way before. And 948 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,680 Speaker 1: I'm Australian. No one gives a funk about Australian. You know, 949 00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,680 Speaker 1: That's what it's like, Like Australian has never heard of 950 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,680 Speaker 1: a sponsorship, a sponsored hunter. I do like blooming onions, 951 00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,720 Speaker 1: you do, even though no one serves them in Australia. 952 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:54,440 Speaker 1: But whatever they But we're so stupid in America. What 953 00:51:54,440 --> 00:52:00,000 Speaker 1: are we doing? Totally? But that's because I write artie 954 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,239 Speaker 1: calls for thirty years and I never took payment for 955 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,880 Speaker 1: a single article for thirty years because I just wanted 956 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,040 Speaker 1: to promote hunting in the outdoors. I just wanted people 957 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:13,680 Speaker 1: to see that. And what sucked about hunting magazines is 958 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,799 Speaker 1: hunters were buying those magazines and every now and then 959 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,680 Speaker 1: I'd write a strictly bow hunting magazines every now and 960 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,040 Speaker 1: then write an article for a shooting magazine like a 961 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,360 Speaker 1: gun magazine. I love those articles most, not because of 962 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,360 Speaker 1: what I wrote or anything like that, but because I 963 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,080 Speaker 1: knew there was guys that had never bow hunted before 964 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,799 Speaker 1: that would see the article and get bows and go 965 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:37,080 Speaker 1: out bowl hunting. And then, like Facebook sort of blew up. 966 00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,640 Speaker 1: Facebook was good, but it was only my friends, Like 967 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,480 Speaker 1: I kept on Facebook pretty personal, and I started the 968 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:47,200 Speaker 1: business Facebook, and I'd noticed non hunters because they had 969 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,080 Speaker 1: asked questions. You knew they were non hunters, like, oh, 970 00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,080 Speaker 1: I wish I buy my first bow, whereas this bowne goodness, 971 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,279 Speaker 1: Like that's awesome. People are getting into it, and now 972 00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,560 Speaker 1: I've got a responsibility as well to promote it in 973 00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,200 Speaker 1: a certain way, you know, eating the meat, practicing, making 974 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,200 Speaker 1: sure you do ethical shots, things like that. That started 975 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,719 Speaker 1: feeling good, Like that feels good. Anyone that says that 976 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,840 Speaker 1: doesn't feel good, well, I don't know what you're in 977 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,200 Speaker 1: it for. But that felt good to me. That I 978 00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:17,160 Speaker 1: was getting to push my ethics, which I knew were good, 979 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,399 Speaker 1: onto other people, you know, because I'm not like one 980 00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,920 Speaker 1: of these controversial figures where I pushed like spine shooting 981 00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,560 Speaker 1: tear or something like that. It's like the textbook stuff. 982 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,560 Speaker 1: Then Instagram come along, you know, and obviously Rogue and 983 00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,560 Speaker 1: blew me up on Instagram. But even before Rogan blew 984 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:40,439 Speaker 1: them out to have fifty people following, and I could 985 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,960 Speaker 1: put the word out on bo hunting or the outdoors 986 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,560 Speaker 1: or eating meat or whatever it was instantly and half 987 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,600 Speaker 1: of them weren't even in the hunting. Now let's do 988 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,239 Speaker 1: the other end. I reckon two hundred thousand followers of 989 00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,040 Speaker 1: mine don't hunt, you know, and I get to put 990 00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,080 Speaker 1: that word out, you know that they are. It's public lands, 991 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,560 Speaker 1: eating meat, you know, hunting, fishing everything. Did you ever 992 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,200 Speaker 1: feel yourself? I struggle with this and I'm open about 993 00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:08,640 Speaker 1: it just because that's part of the reason I have 994 00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,120 Speaker 1: this podcast so I can just talk through ship with people. 995 00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,000 Speaker 1: But I really like in respect, but like, do you 996 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,200 Speaker 1: ever feel yourself? There's like a playbook, right, there's the 997 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,279 Speaker 1: hunting playbook. Why do you hunt? Well, here's the playbook? Right? 998 00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:26,359 Speaker 1: We already we know conservation, our North American model, meet 999 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:32,520 Speaker 1: adventure from sustenance. I don't have one thing. Yeah, yeah, 1000 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,640 Speaker 1: if that's where you're going. There's not one reason why 1001 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,520 Speaker 1: just one reason why hunt, you know, there's many reasons 1002 00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,960 Speaker 1: why hunt, yeah, you know. And it's like it is, 1003 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,000 Speaker 1: it's like eating meat, but sometimes I shoot things. We 1004 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,800 Speaker 1: can't eat the meat, you know, and it's like predator control, 1005 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,840 Speaker 1: and it's like, well, it's just not predator control. It's 1006 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,239 Speaker 1: that I'm an animal as well, and what I do 1007 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,200 Speaker 1: is a hunt, you know. And it's like if and 1008 00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,360 Speaker 1: it depends where it is because some countries may not 1009 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,920 Speaker 1: have this quite in check. But basically, if you're in 1010 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,760 Speaker 1: America and there's a tag for something and there's science 1011 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,080 Speaker 1: that's gone behind it, there's no wrong in hunting that animal. 1012 00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,359 Speaker 1: You know, there's there's there's nothing that you can do 1013 00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,680 Speaker 1: legally right in any of the countries that I've ever 1014 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,800 Speaker 1: hunted in, like even Africa and stuff like that. And 1015 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,960 Speaker 1: I know some people turn their nose up about hunting 1016 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:25,400 Speaker 1: in Africa. It's still for a purpose hunting. Hunting has 1017 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,440 Speaker 1: Hunters in the modern day have never hunted something where 1018 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,799 Speaker 1: the numbers become endangered. It's actually quite opposite. Whatever gets 1019 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,839 Speaker 1: hunted has a value, and numbers are increasing, you know, 1020 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,839 Speaker 1: and I've had like obviously, I've had many arguments over 1021 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,839 Speaker 1: the years, but one lady and I hardly ever get 1022 00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,799 Speaker 1: hunt from hate from anti hunters. Most of my hate 1023 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,920 Speaker 1: comes from other hunters these days, where people have just 1024 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,399 Speaker 1: got a difference of opinion or they you know, they've 1025 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,160 Speaker 1: listened to some gossip or some crap like that. But 1026 00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,720 Speaker 1: this lady sent me a message and she was saying 1027 00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:02,080 Speaker 1: about her domestic pig, you know, like I can't believe 1028 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,200 Speaker 1: you're in the hunting and stuff like that. And I'm like, well, 1029 00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,440 Speaker 1: you're actually talking about animal that doesn't get hunted. You're 1030 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,359 Speaker 1: talking about a pink domestic pig. But the only reason 1031 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,480 Speaker 1: that pink domestic pig is here today is because of 1032 00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,280 Speaker 1: human consumption. That's the only reason those cows are alive 1033 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,640 Speaker 1: and have a life today is because of human consumption. 1034 00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,319 Speaker 1: And you're saying you want to take that away, like 1035 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,319 Speaker 1: there's a much bigger picture here, right, There's a much 1036 00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,200 Speaker 1: bigger picture here. Those animals have lives and are here 1037 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,440 Speaker 1: because the man the demand for meat. They get a 1038 00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,600 Speaker 1: life because of the demand for meat. You know, like 1039 00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,879 Speaker 1: if we put that at the human end, right and say, look, 1040 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,360 Speaker 1: the world's overpopulated, no more humans, No one's lawed to 1041 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:46,120 Speaker 1: have babies anymore. That's the nine My little girl, my 1042 00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,880 Speaker 1: kids life, they wouldn't be even be here today to 1043 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,160 Speaker 1: have feelings and stuff like that. There's a much bigger 1044 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,840 Speaker 1: picture here, and it goes way further than what someone's 1045 00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,879 Speaker 1: opinion or belief or something. Life way deeper. And then 1046 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,680 Speaker 1: I I always like to say, if if we got 1047 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,839 Speaker 1: all the bow hunters that follow you, are all like you, 1048 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,520 Speaker 1: and all your bow hunting friends in the room, and 1049 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,600 Speaker 1: we said, okay, here's the deal. Uh white tailed deer. 1050 00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,280 Speaker 1: You guys like him, you love him? Yeah, can't on 1051 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:22,680 Speaker 1: him anymore? All right, fuck you. We're like, okay, let's 1052 00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,640 Speaker 1: get past that. Secondary to that, do you still care 1053 00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:31,040 Speaker 1: about them? Do you still want them around? I'm sure 1054 00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,120 Speaker 1: the answer would be yes. I am sure the answer 1055 00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:38,080 Speaker 1: would be yes. And I think that answers the question 1056 00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:42,480 Speaker 1: of do we value the animal beyond our ability to 1057 00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,000 Speaker 1: kill it? Do we value it? Because if you told 1058 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,959 Speaker 1: me you can't hunt olk anymore, I would like, that's fine, 1059 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,760 Speaker 1: but I would love for the elk population is just 1060 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,680 Speaker 1: let's what's the solution? You better provide me another solution 1061 00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,720 Speaker 1: where the value is there, the money is there, the 1062 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,080 Speaker 1: conservations efforts so there. That's better than the one we 1063 00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,919 Speaker 1: currently have, which is hunting in our model of conser 1064 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:04,760 Speaker 1: asian um. But I truly believe. I do think about 1065 00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:08,080 Speaker 1: this the other day. I wonder about sometimes about some 1066 00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,960 Speaker 1: fisherman if you said, oh, hey, you can't catch those trout, 1067 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:16,240 Speaker 1: would they would they still? I want to clean clean 1068 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:17,960 Speaker 1: water clean that's true. What they care when they just 1069 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,120 Speaker 1: go back wherever they came from. I don't know that question, 1070 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,680 Speaker 1: not that big a fisherman, but I think our group 1071 00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,280 Speaker 1: feebly you and I know it would say yeah, absolutely, 1072 00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,480 Speaker 1: I care, I care, and I want it to be this. 1073 00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,800 Speaker 1: Heapes the things that I don't hunt, but I still 1074 00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,960 Speaker 1: want around, love to see and but and but in 1075 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,600 Speaker 1: your killing the hunt of the Pokey Point. And yesterday 1076 00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,000 Speaker 1: we see him on the road. As soon as I 1077 00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,320 Speaker 1: seen that, I slowed down for it and I was like, 1078 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,120 Speaker 1: make sure he gets across the road. And I sort 1079 00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,040 Speaker 1: of like even parked across like double lines to make 1080 00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,080 Speaker 1: sure the avoca because he just couldn't buzz pass me. 1081 00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,680 Speaker 1: And I flashed him, let the porkey pon walked off 1082 00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,520 Speaker 1: and make him and the keys looks and he was like, five, 1083 00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,640 Speaker 1: that's so cool. That's it. I'm never going to hunt 1084 00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,720 Speaker 1: a porcupine. It's probably illegal to start with. I've got 1085 00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,840 Speaker 1: absolutely no interest in that, but I still want to 1086 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,400 Speaker 1: see it. Saying for the bird life and everything like that, 1087 00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,800 Speaker 1: it just comes part and pass or with what we do. 1088 00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,720 Speaker 1: What's the difference from you between a porcupine and elk? 1089 00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,200 Speaker 1: Something you would hunt, something you wouldn't when you look 1090 00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:23,880 Speaker 1: at the animal itself, there's not. There's really not. Yeah, 1091 00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,120 Speaker 1: you don't. And that's one thing I've talked to We've 1092 00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,600 Speaker 1: talked about two is how do we as hunters better 1093 00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,200 Speaker 1: communicate that we care about the entire eco systems are 1094 00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,480 Speaker 1: not just yeah, I've made a real point. I did 1095 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:35,920 Speaker 1: it with the moose that I just shot in b 1096 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,280 Speaker 1: C where because everyone wants to go straight through the antlers, 1097 00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,800 Speaker 1: and that's not just because you're a trophy hunter or 1098 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,080 Speaker 1: something like that. You think about antlers, think about how 1099 00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,360 Speaker 1: amazing now are they grow in one season? Think about 1100 00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,160 Speaker 1: the size of them, how they are they stick off 1101 00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,120 Speaker 1: the head. They're very medieval. It's something that's bred into 1102 00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,880 Speaker 1: us as man. But I get to that moose and 1103 00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, look at this creature, Look at this beautiful creature. 1104 00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,440 Speaker 1: And I went The first thing I did was I 1105 01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,960 Speaker 1: went to its ears due because it's got these massive 1106 01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,600 Speaker 1: ears and they're so fluffy. And I looked at its nose. 1107 01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,320 Speaker 1: They've got a different nose. And then I went over 1108 01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,200 Speaker 1: its body like all the battle scars, because really all 1109 01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,840 Speaker 1: ball and he was like full teeth missing, like punched 1110 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:20,600 Speaker 1: out of his face full. I just all smashed up um. 1111 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,400 Speaker 1: And then going into some things that might people might 1112 01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,439 Speaker 1: see it is a bit more gruesome. But I cut 1113 01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,960 Speaker 1: him open. I always checked the organs on the animals, 1114 01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,160 Speaker 1: you know, And and I opened him up, and he's 1115 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,480 Speaker 1: got like all his liver spot on him, you know, 1116 01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,800 Speaker 1: like all this green like bubbly growth all over his liver. 1117 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,400 Speaker 1: He had like some dry, hairy growth on his heart. 1118 01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,320 Speaker 1: And I was like, like that's the inside stuff. And 1119 01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,280 Speaker 1: I'm like even like, look at this. This is an 1120 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:48,560 Speaker 1: amazing creature, you know. And but I'm also and check 1121 01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,920 Speaker 1: out the antlers they grew in one season. These are 1122 01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,440 Speaker 1: all the veins that go through there, you know. And 1123 01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:58,120 Speaker 1: and it's the term trophy hunter nearly doesn't exist anymore. Well, 1124 01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,960 Speaker 1: I don't know anyone that hunts just for a try 1125 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,640 Speaker 1: if you I don't know that. I don't know anyone 1126 01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,720 Speaker 1: that does that. But a lot of hunters, you can't 1127 01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,520 Speaker 1: eat antlers. That's usually what gets displayed in the house. 1128 01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:12,000 Speaker 1: So you're like trophy hunter and the antlers, you know, 1129 01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,960 Speaker 1: so amazing that usually they're at the forefront of a photo. 1130 01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,240 Speaker 1: You know. It's like, and I've seen you doing the 1131 01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:22,400 Speaker 1: trophy hunting. What a trophy photo? Two points? That's where 1132 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,840 Speaker 1: the meat that's here, which is cool and it and 1133 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,080 Speaker 1: it is that is if you in a sense, that's 1134 01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,800 Speaker 1: a trophy in itself, like look at the meat. But 1135 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,640 Speaker 1: you eat the meat and it disappears and everything sort 1136 01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:38,360 Speaker 1: of disappears except for bone, hide and the antlers or 1137 01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,600 Speaker 1: horns or whatever it is. So they usually get put 1138 01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:46,080 Speaker 1: on display. And and I've never kept something to to 1139 01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,360 Speaker 1: have other hunters or people go wow, look at the 1140 01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,880 Speaker 1: size of that. I've only ever kept anything like antlers 1141 01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:56,440 Speaker 1: are high or photos even memory wise, you know, like 1142 01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:01,600 Speaker 1: and it's like it's become like respectful thing, you know, 1143 01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,360 Speaker 1: Like I feel like that's like respecting the animal, like 1144 01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,280 Speaker 1: you know, but some people different opinions. I feel like 1145 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,360 Speaker 1: that's the complete opposite. You know, that's not respect by 1146 01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,320 Speaker 1: putting a dead animal on the wall or something. Well, 1147 01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,520 Speaker 1: I think part of my part of that group we're 1148 01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,320 Speaker 1: in two point is not to say don't do the one, 1149 01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,520 Speaker 1: but it's it's to say, like it's a perspective thing. 1150 01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:26,439 Speaker 1: It's to get people thinking about it. It's like, hey, 1151 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,200 Speaker 1: cherish this, look at this beautiful bit of meat, Like 1152 01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,480 Speaker 1: this is going to fade my family. This is awesome, 1153 01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,800 Speaker 1: And this is an evolution of our pres not of 1154 01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,440 Speaker 1: our hunting, because I think all hunters always have the 1155 01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,040 Speaker 1: sensibilities that you have, most all the ones that I 1156 01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,880 Speaker 1: would consider hunters people in my group. There's other people 1157 01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,160 Speaker 1: that are assholes, deal with them and other conversations. But 1158 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:50,040 Speaker 1: people that are like you and I to have the 1159 01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,480 Speaker 1: values that you and I do are struggling now to 1160 01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:57,080 Speaker 1: to define how we tell our story right. And part 1161 01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:58,919 Speaker 1: of it is just let's evolve to the two point 1162 01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,480 Speaker 1: over the three point oh presentation of a dead thing, 1163 01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,880 Speaker 1: because there's nothing that I've ever run across. I've thought 1164 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,920 Speaker 1: about this at length, and I know you probably have 1165 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:12,360 Speaker 1: to nothing like the grip and grin to take what 1166 01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,520 Speaker 1: you think it represents and what you know, it represents 1167 01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,480 Speaker 1: because it's you and you're there with the animal and 1168 01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,320 Speaker 1: all the things you just said. It represents your reverence 1169 01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,760 Speaker 1: and respect for that animal. It represents why you go 1170 01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,160 Speaker 1: and do what you do. It represents this great achievement 1171 01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,560 Speaker 1: of all these enriching things in your life. And then 1172 01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,160 Speaker 1: someone else looks at it and they see a smiling 1173 01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:36,880 Speaker 1: asshole and his trophy, like that's it's it's it's on us, 1174 01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:41,600 Speaker 1: It's it's just. I think our platforms, our new platforms 1175 01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,240 Speaker 1: are definitely helping a lot because you know, you get 1176 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,640 Speaker 1: a hunting magazine and there's only you know, so you 1177 01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,320 Speaker 1: get three pages for an article. Well there's only so 1178 01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,400 Speaker 1: many photos you can put in those free pages, and 1179 01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:51,960 Speaker 1: everyone wants to look at the animal and all of 1180 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:56,800 Speaker 1: its clots. Now that there's formats like madea to what 1181 01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,080 Speaker 1: Steve's doing, and Steve gets to show a lot, like 1182 01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,120 Speaker 1: he gets to show all the effort that goes in 1183 01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,120 Speaker 1: just to get into the point where you see the animal. 1184 01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,640 Speaker 1: Then he gets the animal dead on the ground if 1185 01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,760 Speaker 1: he's if he's successful, and you see that quick image, 1186 01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,240 Speaker 1: you know, there's the animal whatever, then it jumps to 1187 01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:18,120 Speaker 1: because it's a much a length of your platform to 1188 01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,120 Speaker 1: cutting it up and cooking and eating it and like, 1189 01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,320 Speaker 1: this is life, this is why we're here today, this 1190 01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,920 Speaker 1: is why there is man. And with my platform and 1191 01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,520 Speaker 1: especially doing that the Instagram stories, do you know how 1192 01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,920 Speaker 1: many messages I get that are like, holy did it? 1193 01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,040 Speaker 1: I didn't know it took that much, you know, like 1194 01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:39,080 Speaker 1: climbing the mountain, camping back there, all the organization, getting 1195 01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:41,640 Speaker 1: it killed, getting it out, getting that cut up, you know, 1196 01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,400 Speaker 1: getting it to the freezer, getting it to the pen. 1197 01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:49,040 Speaker 1: That definitely that platform that we can show things on now. 1198 01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,439 Speaker 1: And then you've got guys like Cameron Haynes and John 1199 01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,240 Speaker 1: Dudley and stuff like Bremmy Warren at the forefront of it, 1200 01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:59,280 Speaker 1: and like Rogan notorious for showing the meat, you know, 1201 01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,640 Speaker 1: and just showing on a much bigger picture where it's 1202 01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:04,320 Speaker 1: not like we just drive out there, I shoot at you, 1203 01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,960 Speaker 1: the the truck loaded up, you know, drinks some bees. 1204 01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:10,080 Speaker 1: It's not like that's Hollywood. Well yeah, I mean you 1205 01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,240 Speaker 1: got somebody like Shane Dorian, right, somebody like Joe Rogan. 1206 01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:14,840 Speaker 1: These are people that are at the top of their 1207 01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,920 Speaker 1: game and they had not in hunting, not unting pro 1208 01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:23,520 Speaker 1: surfer and is a pro Tolka just a pro and everything. 1209 01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:29,280 Speaker 1: But they're those guys there that's adult onset hunting. What 1210 01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:32,160 Speaker 1: that is that they took up hunting when they were 1211 01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:37,400 Speaker 1: intellectually able to process what they were doing. And what 1212 01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:41,920 Speaker 1: always enlighten me about their output on social media is 1213 01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,439 Speaker 1: that neither one of those two people, they didn't get 1214 01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,240 Speaker 1: Joe and Shane didn't get together and be like, let's 1215 01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,760 Speaker 1: not share a grip and grips, let's not share dead 1216 01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:52,360 Speaker 1: animal shots. Let's just share meat, and let's share the camaraderie, 1217 01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,160 Speaker 1: and let's share the things that we know are important. 1218 01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:57,560 Speaker 1: They did it opposite of each other. You know. Part 1219 01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:59,600 Speaker 1: of it was a reaction to deciety, the reaction to 1220 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,880 Speaker 1: a little bit to how how people would reactive. Joe 1221 01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,000 Speaker 1: Rogan in a dead elk on his Instagram would probably 1222 01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:08,400 Speaker 1: not be great. But I think they also were forced 1223 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:12,640 Speaker 1: to eliminate that from their output, their communication and focus 1224 01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:16,960 Speaker 1: on the things that really did enrich They show. They 1225 01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,360 Speaker 1: showed the bigger picture. Now again, I think it's not 1226 01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,480 Speaker 1: as organic as as is all that because they know 1227 01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,800 Speaker 1: the controversy that comes up if you post something a 1228 01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:30,160 Speaker 1: dead animal. But they still are our successful hunters and 1229 01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:34,080 Speaker 1: everybody knows it, and they're promoting the sport without beside 1230 01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:38,640 Speaker 1: that became controversial, without hunters even understanding how it became, 1231 01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,680 Speaker 1: and it just doesn't go well with their platform because 1232 01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:43,720 Speaker 1: I know a couple of times and Joe's had to 1233 01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,960 Speaker 1: kill and I've been like, hey, is that okay if 1234 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,840 Speaker 1: I share that? And he's like, yeah, go for it, 1235 01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,600 Speaker 1: because my platform is a bit different, like I'm known 1236 01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,760 Speaker 1: as a hunter, you know, it comes along a lot 1237 01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:58,760 Speaker 1: more acceptable on my end. And where is if you 1238 01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,960 Speaker 1: don't have the bigger picture like some of their audience. 1239 01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,320 Speaker 1: And I think their audience does have the bigger picture now, 1240 01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,520 Speaker 1: but if you don't have the bigger picture, and then 1241 01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,720 Speaker 1: it's just like that photo with the animal there and 1242 01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,080 Speaker 1: you're standing behind it smiling whatever. That is. A bad 1243 01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,440 Speaker 1: image is a bad image. Put that in a newspaper 1244 01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,240 Speaker 1: somewhere bad image. Put that in a hunting magazine or 1245 01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,840 Speaker 1: outdoor magazine, then it's fine. There might be some people 1246 01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:25,680 Speaker 1: that don't agree with it, but I've built my audience 1247 01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:29,840 Speaker 1: now that and there's no shock horror, and I don't 1248 01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,240 Speaker 1: mean it in that sense, but sometimes I'll just put 1249 01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,080 Speaker 1: sort of a bloody photo up like this is normal, 1250 01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,400 Speaker 1: this is natural, And I don't get any negative reaction 1251 01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,840 Speaker 1: because I've built them. They know everything else that's involved 1252 01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,280 Speaker 1: in it. They're not wondering why you're doing. Yeah, that's 1253 01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,320 Speaker 1: just not it, you know. And and because I'll say 1254 01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,520 Speaker 1: it now, like if I've put in that much effort 1255 01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:52,680 Speaker 1: and I get something killed, then I usually am happy. 1256 01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,600 Speaker 1: I usually am smiling, you know. And it's not like 1257 01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:59,240 Speaker 1: it's not the killed just sucker. It's not that smile. 1258 01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,800 Speaker 1: It's not that I'm like that was a good quick death. 1259 01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,720 Speaker 1: Putting a lot of effort, it's finally paid off and happy. 1260 01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,960 Speaker 1: But even I've tried to not do the grip and 1261 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,440 Speaker 1: green anymore, you know, and not because of what you've done, 1262 01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,160 Speaker 1: just because I start thinking about the image, like, yeah, 1263 01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,040 Speaker 1: I am happy, but I don't have to do that. 1264 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,559 Speaker 1: You know. I'll still hold the animal and stuff like that. 1265 01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:25,240 Speaker 1: But you show everything girls as well, you know, cutting 1266 01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,800 Speaker 1: up the meat. That's all I've ever said. I mean, 1267 01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,640 Speaker 1: we have a from our line. I trip this, you know, 1268 01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:34,920 Speaker 1: six months ago or whatever. Less than that. Um, we've 1269 01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:38,559 Speaker 1: got a thread going, the text thread. Whereas me and 1270 01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,439 Speaker 1: all the people we've mentioned and all the people are 1271 01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:43,479 Speaker 1: on that hunt, and we when were killing anim we 1272 01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,479 Speaker 1: send everybody a photo. We all understand on that text 1273 01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,400 Speaker 1: thread what that is. Yeah, we have a total perspective 1274 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,200 Speaker 1: of that. All of us are content. We've all hunting together, 1275 01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,599 Speaker 1: we all know what we're all about. And but so 1276 01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,840 Speaker 1: we can share those photos and there's no loss of perspective, 1277 01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,519 Speaker 1: there's no context that we need. We know what's going on. 1278 01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:04,240 Speaker 1: We're excited for each other. Outside of that, it's a 1279 01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,320 Speaker 1: little sketchy, definitely, it's a little and you've you've seen that. 1280 01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:11,080 Speaker 1: I've seen it, We've all seen it, and um, I 1281 01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:13,439 Speaker 1: think I just came out and said it in a 1282 01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,000 Speaker 1: way that probably early on was a little bit touchy 1283 01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:18,639 Speaker 1: for some people. But I I truly do feel that 1284 01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,679 Speaker 1: the only conversation that matters is how do we better 1285 01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:25,400 Speaker 1: represent the thing that we do? And even if like 1286 01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,639 Speaker 1: guys like you and others who do represent it very well, 1287 01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,680 Speaker 1: how do we still do it better? How do we 1288 01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,080 Speaker 1: lead the charge? How do we say, like, here's a 1289 01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,439 Speaker 1: question we ought to ask, this is I don't know 1290 01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,560 Speaker 1: how to do it. I'm not telling everybody you have 1291 01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:38,760 Speaker 1: to do it the same way, but here's a question 1292 01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,479 Speaker 1: we want to be thinking about. You know, here's something 1293 01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:48,519 Speaker 1: that bothers me. Um, and that's that's a better promotion. Yeah, 1294 01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,479 Speaker 1: I mean there's something that is something you see right 1295 01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:52,559 Speaker 1: now that bothers you in our community, something that you 1296 01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:55,679 Speaker 1: I'm I might even start a segment like the ship 1297 01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:57,800 Speaker 1: bothers Mean, that's the same where we just talked about 1298 01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,560 Speaker 1: what what's something that you see? The thing one up I. 1299 01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,720 Speaker 1: It's like the whole YETI NR a thing. It's like 1300 01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,720 Speaker 1: we're constantly looking for not me, some people, and it 1301 01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:12,080 Speaker 1: seems like a good population of the outdoor industry is 1302 01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,439 Speaker 1: constantly looking for something to be angry about, something to 1303 01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:19,320 Speaker 1: constantly jump on the bandwagon about, and the whole like 1304 01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,720 Speaker 1: whether I was sponsored by YETI or not, that one 1305 01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,200 Speaker 1: really bothered me because I was like, here we are 1306 01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,680 Speaker 1: with an outdoor company that puts so much into the 1307 01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,360 Speaker 1: outdoors and what we do, and we're trying to kick 1308 01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:33,599 Speaker 1: them out to let someone in that possibly won't put 1309 01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:36,720 Speaker 1: that money into the outdoor industry, you know. And it's 1310 01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:42,000 Speaker 1: like it just seemed like a bitch fest for social media, 1311 01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:43,680 Speaker 1: that's what it was. And we're constantly looking for one 1312 01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:45,640 Speaker 1: I missed the one on the whole night thing or 1313 01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:48,120 Speaker 1: whatever it was, but then there was that one, and 1314 01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:51,880 Speaker 1: like it's like any day someone else could be next, 1315 01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,720 Speaker 1: you know, I just spent time like there was the 1316 01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,200 Speaker 1: whole under arm and one. It's like there's constantly where 1317 01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:01,600 Speaker 1: there's constantly something coming up. And who trashes this the 1318 01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:06,200 Speaker 1: most are ourselves hunters, Like we're the ones to air 1319 01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:09,280 Speaker 1: our dirty laundry the most, you know, Like these aunties 1320 01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,679 Speaker 1: must be on the sideline just rubbing their hands together, 1321 01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:16,600 Speaker 1: going brilliant. Look at them, look at them with you know, 1322 01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,599 Speaker 1: and it's like and I actually wrote a post and 1323 01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,880 Speaker 1: I was like, this isn't something that we have to 1324 01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,559 Speaker 1: lose friends over or turn against each other or anything 1325 01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,400 Speaker 1: like that. You know, Like let's run it course on 1326 01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,840 Speaker 1: its own without us adding as much trash to it 1327 01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,840 Speaker 1: as we can, you know and blowing up coolers or 1328 01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:34,840 Speaker 1: or the other end hating on the n r A, 1329 01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:36,960 Speaker 1: you know or whatever. It's like, we don't have to 1330 01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,920 Speaker 1: do that. Like all we're doing is breeding more hate 1331 01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,160 Speaker 1: within ourselves. That's not healthy. That's one thing that I 1332 01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,599 Speaker 1: learned growing up out of all that, Like you'll breed 1333 01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,559 Speaker 1: your own hate, you'll breed your own misery within yourself 1334 01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,880 Speaker 1: with negativity and stuff like that, Like anyone talking shoot 1335 01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:56,040 Speaker 1: about me at the moment, Like you're just hurting yourself. 1336 01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:59,120 Speaker 1: You just reckon your own mental illness, you know, Like 1337 01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,120 Speaker 1: why people caught up in my ship? Like why are 1338 01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,880 Speaker 1: you caught up in anyone's ship? Like, well, it's in 1339 01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:08,080 Speaker 1: Our industry is a small world, right, And I think 1340 01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:11,559 Speaker 1: you and I both work hard to try to be 1341 01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:16,160 Speaker 1: respected by our peers and like really try hard to 1342 01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:19,880 Speaker 1: be understanding of what everybody's thinking, and you know, try 1343 01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,880 Speaker 1: to do the right thing. You're never like you're just 1344 01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:27,599 Speaker 1: never going to get everybody, especially when I realized that too. 1345 01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,120 Speaker 1: That's why I'm always say, like I don't want everyone 1346 01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:33,160 Speaker 1: to get into hunting, but if I can build some 1347 01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:38,880 Speaker 1: thought and understanding from people that don't hunt towards the 1348 01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,240 Speaker 1: hunting community, not me, I'm happy doing what I do. 1349 01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:42,920 Speaker 1: I don't care where if you hate at love it. 1350 01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:48,160 Speaker 1: But if that helps the overall outdoor industry, the hunting community, 1351 01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:51,400 Speaker 1: that there is understanding, and like, that's Joe Rogan has 1352 01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,960 Speaker 1: done that better than anyone ever in the history of mankind, 1353 01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:58,800 Speaker 1: unless there was some massive civilization before we come that 1354 01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,160 Speaker 1: we don't know about. And there was like a Joe 1355 01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:08,080 Speaker 1: broken broken something. But for Joe too to spread the 1356 01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:11,200 Speaker 1: word how he has with his audience is a massive 1357 01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,840 Speaker 1: like there's a massive understanding there, you know, whether they 1358 01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,760 Speaker 1: hunt or not, because some people can't hunt, like they 1359 01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:18,960 Speaker 1: live in the city and they've got other things happening 1360 01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,160 Speaker 1: and they've got no desire to or whatever it might be. 1361 01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,640 Speaker 1: But at least there's understanding from those people that they 1362 01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:27,479 Speaker 1: when they see a hunting image, you know that that 1363 01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,360 Speaker 1: there's just not hate streaming out of them. You know 1364 01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:33,680 Speaker 1: that the extreme anties will never get them who wants to. 1365 01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,200 Speaker 1: And it's and I think we sort of need extreme 1366 01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:41,080 Speaker 1: anties as well because they keep things in check as well. Um, 1367 01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,679 Speaker 1: and it's so complicated, you know, there's no one answer, 1368 01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:47,360 Speaker 1: there's no one it's hunting is so complicated. Yeah. I 1369 01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,200 Speaker 1: always say that we've picked this very complex thing to do, 1370 01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,120 Speaker 1: very complex. This isn't this is not a roller coaster, 1371 01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:55,960 Speaker 1: And don't get on and have fun and get off 1372 01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,400 Speaker 1: with no effect on the world. Yeah, definitely, you get 1373 01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,559 Speaker 1: on and you get and you have your fun, and 1374 01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:03,920 Speaker 1: you know, Steve and I, Ronelle and I always say you, 1375 01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:05,880 Speaker 1: he says, you wouldn't do it if it wasn't fun. 1376 01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:08,960 Speaker 1: And you have your fun, you have your adventure, and 1377 01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,280 Speaker 1: at the end of the day something dis dead, like 1378 01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:13,240 Speaker 1: some fucking thing that used to be on the earth 1379 01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:17,800 Speaker 1: that you didn't put there now is gone. And the 1380 01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,280 Speaker 1: virtuous thing about what we do is that we had 1381 01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,640 Speaker 1: a hand in doing it and we're aware of it 1382 01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:26,960 Speaker 1: when so many folks are unaware of their effect. But yeah, 1383 01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,840 Speaker 1: I mean I think we we certainly. I think we 1384 01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:33,719 Speaker 1: certainly as a community. I've crested that wave. Like people 1385 01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:38,080 Speaker 1: get that, we get it, get that there that we're 1386 01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,640 Speaker 1: seeking some level of virtue and what we do, like 1387 01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,040 Speaker 1: we understand that we're killing ship and we're not just 1388 01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:46,920 Speaker 1: flipping like a fucking loose see you, I feel like 1389 01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,920 Speaker 1: hunting has made me an animal lover and and said 1390 01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,120 Speaker 1: that can be confusing to some people, like you love 1391 01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:55,200 Speaker 1: you say you love animals, but you hunt them. And 1392 01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:58,559 Speaker 1: because Kim's exactly the same, Kim like loves animals, like 1393 01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,760 Speaker 1: extremely loves animal and I do as well. But I 1394 01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:04,760 Speaker 1: also know where meat comes from, you know, And I 1395 01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:07,320 Speaker 1: want meat in my life. Like it sounds silly, but 1396 01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,280 Speaker 1: I want meat in my life. I want to eat meat. 1397 01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:11,080 Speaker 1: And if I'm going to do that, I want to 1398 01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:12,720 Speaker 1: go out and get it myself. And I want to 1399 01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,720 Speaker 1: realize what that animal was and I want to be 1400 01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:19,240 Speaker 1: I want my hands, you know, or my wife's hands 1401 01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:22,120 Speaker 1: to be the ones that harvests that meat, that cut 1402 01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,800 Speaker 1: that meat, that take that meat, you know. And like, 1403 01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:29,000 Speaker 1: especially with filming and everything like that these days, you know, 1404 01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:32,559 Speaker 1: I just feel like when something's filmed, I'm like, yeah, 1405 01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,120 Speaker 1: just chill out. I want my time now with the animal. 1406 01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,320 Speaker 1: Like I want to take it in that I've done this, 1407 01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,559 Speaker 1: I've killed this and and let's not take it in 1408 01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:44,759 Speaker 1: and realize you've done this is in ne bad person, 1409 01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:47,280 Speaker 1: Like I completely understand it. That's fine, you know, and 1410 01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:50,000 Speaker 1: that's natural. Like natural is a very good word for that. 1411 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,240 Speaker 1: That's natural human killing an animal to take its meat 1412 01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:56,960 Speaker 1: very natural. And to be at that point and sort 1413 01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,040 Speaker 1: of basking it in a sense, you know, of all 1414 01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:03,400 Speaker 1: the realization and that's actually a beautiful moment. You know, 1415 01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:07,160 Speaker 1: it's not pretty awesome, it is. It's so hard to 1416 01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,880 Speaker 1: explain because it is such a complex thing. It's so 1417 01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:16,599 Speaker 1: hard to explain. But there's there's some feeling that comes 1418 01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:20,360 Speaker 1: with that that you can't get from anything. Girls, where's 1419 01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:23,160 Speaker 1: this thing at in ten or fifteen years? Where's where's 1420 01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:25,360 Speaker 1: this thing at? For your kids? What do you what 1421 01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:27,400 Speaker 1: do you think they're going to go through? Because I 1422 01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:32,759 Speaker 1: think we just had them on. I think they're awesome. 1423 01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:35,880 Speaker 1: Like where I think about this with my son a lot, 1424 01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:37,639 Speaker 1: Like where is this going to be for them when 1425 01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:40,320 Speaker 1: they're at a formative age? What will hunting look like 1426 01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,559 Speaker 1: for them? What environment? What are they going to be in? 1427 01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:46,599 Speaker 1: I feel like I will be because we've thought about 1428 01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:51,200 Speaker 1: going off the grid a lot for before, even all 1429 01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:53,479 Speaker 1: the social media because this sort of blew up. I 1430 01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,040 Speaker 1: never really asked for this sort of following or anything. 1431 01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:59,160 Speaker 1: I never ever thought that I'd get it. You know, 1432 01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:01,080 Speaker 1: I never wanted it. You know, it's just I just 1433 01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:03,200 Speaker 1: wanted to promote hunting, even if that was only four 1434 01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:06,920 Speaker 1: friends and some families seeing it, and for the blob 1435 01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,840 Speaker 1: because I'm actually very usually a private person. I don't 1436 01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,519 Speaker 1: like crowds, like like most of my hunting solo as 1437 01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:16,679 Speaker 1: you've seen, and to have now all these other people 1438 01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,200 Speaker 1: that sort of get a voice or look into my life, 1439 01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,200 Speaker 1: it's not something that I ever wanted, so and me 1440 01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:24,080 Speaker 1: and Kim have always been like that, like we'd love 1441 01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,639 Speaker 1: to live up the grid, grow our own vegetables, fruit, 1442 01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,920 Speaker 1: harvest their own meat, still have domestic stock. It wouldn't 1443 01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,080 Speaker 1: be all wild meat, like we'd have chickens and pigs 1444 01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,599 Speaker 1: and things like that as well, but lots of wild 1445 01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:39,559 Speaker 1: harvests and just really live off the grid, like our 1446 01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,439 Speaker 1: own water, our own energy, you know, whether it's soul 1447 01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:46,680 Speaker 1: or a turbine. And always felt like time moved a 1448 01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:50,439 Speaker 1: lot slower when you're because it does when you're out 1449 01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:56,040 Speaker 1: in the country, time moves a lot slower. Time seems better, 1450 01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,280 Speaker 1: everything seems more valuable. You know, you don't get this 1451 01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:01,439 Speaker 1: is a rat ray still, Like I might go off 1452 01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:03,439 Speaker 1: the grid every now and then, like when I go 1453 01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:07,519 Speaker 1: BC moose hunting or back country in Montana or northern 1454 01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:10,880 Speaker 1: territory like arnem Land, and like that is off the grid, 1455 01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:12,920 Speaker 1: But then you come back into a bigger rat race 1456 01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:16,360 Speaker 1: than anything, because you know, emails, bills, things like that 1457 01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:20,240 Speaker 1: that have gone unchecked in that time, and I don't 1458 01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,800 Speaker 1: it's not the real quality of life. It is life 1459 01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:27,519 Speaker 1: streaking awesome. Yeah, get me wrong, but I'm just saying 1460 01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,439 Speaker 1: it could be better. You know, and that's more suited 1461 01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:32,240 Speaker 1: to me, especially with my upbringing, like I've cut family 1462 01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,759 Speaker 1: out of my life, like my own father, my own blood, 1463 01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,000 Speaker 1: I've cut him out of my life. So it's hard 1464 01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,679 Speaker 1: to let strangers in just on that very fact alone. 1465 01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:44,160 Speaker 1: Um So I don't know. My kids might live off 1466 01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:47,160 Speaker 1: the grid. That might never happen. I don't, you know, 1467 01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:49,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. But hunting wise, if I stayed on 1468 01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:53,000 Speaker 1: the direction I'm going now for my kids, I don't 1469 01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,439 Speaker 1: know that maybe they don't want to be hunters right now. 1470 01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,040 Speaker 1: They do. They love the idea, they love the country, 1471 01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,120 Speaker 1: they love going up to you know, we own I 1472 01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:03,960 Speaker 1: ag read up in the mountains at home. I love horses, 1473 01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:09,400 Speaker 1: I love eating mate, I love chase and catching killing anything. 1474 01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:11,880 Speaker 1: That's what kids love to do. Yeah, I mean it'll 1475 01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:13,599 Speaker 1: be a journey for them like everybody else. I mean, 1476 01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,600 Speaker 1: they might fall out of it and fall back into it, 1477 01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:17,519 Speaker 1: and they may it may not be cool with their 1478 01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:21,000 Speaker 1: friends when they're be able to influence when they're teenagers here, 1479 01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:22,920 Speaker 1: you know, and then later on in life be like 1480 01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:24,720 Speaker 1: what I was, I think, and I stoually get back 1481 01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,800 Speaker 1: into this. I should find this thing again. But it's 1482 01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:31,160 Speaker 1: certainly going to be challenged more than you were coming up. 1483 01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:33,400 Speaker 1: And I was because I you know, I'm Ship thirty 1484 01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:37,040 Speaker 1: two and you're a little you know in this country. 1485 01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:41,320 Speaker 1: Ship on my generation, probably our generations, first generation that 1486 01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:46,479 Speaker 1: couldn't just be hunters anymore. We had to be at 1487 01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:51,679 Speaker 1: some level messengers for our thing. And that's when society 1488 01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:56,120 Speaker 1: kind of became. It became this negative thing, you know, 1489 01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,479 Speaker 1: almost like an A R fifteens and other things that 1490 01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:02,000 Speaker 1: have been demonized or have and misunderstood. And America is 1491 01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:05,920 Speaker 1: actually coming from Australia to America. America's actually got a 1492 01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:08,960 Speaker 1: much greater population that's understanding of hunting, even if they 1493 01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:11,120 Speaker 1: don't because they've got such a big population of hunters 1494 01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:14,600 Speaker 1: and it's like advertised everywhere during the season. In Australia, 1495 01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,479 Speaker 1: it's not it's like being kept on the download. You know. 1496 01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:22,240 Speaker 1: There's so much more misunderstanding towards hunting in Australia and 1497 01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,840 Speaker 1: and just no knowledge that it even happens at all. 1498 01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:28,360 Speaker 1: But it's tough. Australia virtually has zero public lands to 1499 01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:30,960 Speaker 1: hunt them as well, so it's like private you've gotta 1500 01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,679 Speaker 1: get private mission. A little bit of privately the publicly, 1501 01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:35,920 Speaker 1: and it has come on boards from what I've heard, 1502 01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,439 Speaker 1: really not great for hunting. It's just it's not the 1503 01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:42,040 Speaker 1: same culture. You know, even though Australia was like you know, 1504 01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:45,960 Speaker 1: all convicts basically and like you know, they would have 1505 01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:49,320 Speaker 1: to hunt for food and eating rabbit and stuff like that. Yeah. 1506 01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:51,439 Speaker 1: I mean, we just got back from Hawaii. I mean 1507 01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:55,120 Speaker 1: Hawaii is similar place. I mean, the as it explained 1508 01:20:55,120 --> 01:21:00,000 Speaker 1: to me, like the Native Hawaiians feel some ownership of lands. 1509 01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:03,000 Speaker 1: So if you have a private ranch and you say 1510 01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,719 Speaker 1: don't come in, they're coming in. Yeah. And so poaching 1511 01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,760 Speaker 1: isn't it does not the same feeling cause it is here. Yeah, 1512 01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:15,320 Speaker 1: And so each scenario has its own value systems, in 1513 01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:19,160 Speaker 1: its own way of doing things. And we certainly are lucky. 1514 01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:22,040 Speaker 1: I think the fourteen or fifteen or how many million 1515 01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:26,200 Speaker 1: hunters that are in this country are lucky people. Definitely. 1516 01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:29,479 Speaker 1: It's amazing. I said that Kim Kim hiked right up 1517 01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:33,920 Speaker 1: into the back country in Montana with me, just you know, 1518 01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:38,120 Speaker 1: three or four days ago, and through public lands the 1519 01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,840 Speaker 1: whole time, and we never seen another person, which was 1520 01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:44,439 Speaker 1: really cool. And I stopped for a second and I'm 1521 01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,960 Speaker 1: like do you realize how good this is? Like we 1522 01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:51,559 Speaker 1: didn't have to, you know, harass a farmer, you know, 1523 01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:54,320 Speaker 1: to try and get permission. We didn't have to like 1524 01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,400 Speaker 1: take h mccarton the beer and say, you know, we'd 1525 01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:59,960 Speaker 1: love you know, we'd love to be able to hunt here. 1526 01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:01,960 Speaker 1: You know, what's the chances and you go for all 1527 01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:03,760 Speaker 1: the effort and drive and he's like, no, we don't 1528 01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,360 Speaker 1: let anyone on. We were actually just being able to 1529 01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:10,080 Speaker 1: buy a tag, look up on on x maps where 1530 01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:13,000 Speaker 1: the public land was that we could run in and 1531 01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:15,680 Speaker 1: hike in there. And I'm like, every bit of that 1532 01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:17,479 Speaker 1: view that you can see right now, we can hunt 1533 01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,040 Speaker 1: any of that, Like there's a million acres back here, 1534 01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:24,599 Speaker 1: we can go and hunt any of that. Like the thing, 1535 01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:28,439 Speaker 1: the scary thing is publicly and getting taken off us, 1536 01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:31,080 Speaker 1: even if it's slowly by slowly. That's why everyone has 1537 01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:33,400 Speaker 1: to fight so hard for it, because coming from someone 1538 01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:35,599 Speaker 1: that you know, it doesn't have publicly and the hung 1539 01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:40,719 Speaker 1: on back home. Basically that's absolutely amazing. No, I've said 1540 01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:43,040 Speaker 1: it many times, we continue to say it. Like waking 1541 01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:46,599 Speaker 1: up in the morning in Montana, there's a different feeling 1542 01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:49,080 Speaker 1: I live in Texas. I lived in Illinois, I lived. 1543 01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:51,200 Speaker 1: I grew up hunting publicly and not even really knowing 1544 01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:54,880 Speaker 1: what it was. But in my twenties, I've lived in 1545 01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:58,400 Speaker 1: two places where there wasn't ship and when there was 1546 01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:00,880 Speaker 1: it was kind of depressing. You go on small tracks 1547 01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:03,519 Speaker 1: land with a lot of hunters, not a lot of game, 1548 01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:06,160 Speaker 1: and a lot of bullshit. Yeah, and so you public 1549 01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:10,640 Speaker 1: lands becomes this this degradated piece of hunting property, and 1550 01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:13,640 Speaker 1: the private lands become this these paradise is for for 1551 01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,439 Speaker 1: game and for hunters and stuff like that. So that's 1552 01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:20,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not elitist because because homesteading and land 1553 01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:22,240 Speaker 1: ownership is that's what our world does, and when we stay, 1554 01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:24,040 Speaker 1: we stake our ground and that's what that's what you 1555 01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:27,840 Speaker 1: and I want to do. Um. But at the same time, 1556 01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:33,400 Speaker 1: the concept of wilderness that shared is you need that 1557 01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:36,720 Speaker 1: public land because one thing, like back in Australia and 1558 01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,240 Speaker 1: I get bombarded with questions like where can I go, 1559 01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:42,639 Speaker 1: how should I get private access? I can't get private access, 1560 01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:46,160 Speaker 1: and the feeling of wanting to hunt like it's almost spiritual. 1561 01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:50,439 Speaker 1: It is spiritual. It's nearly like someone saying you can't 1562 01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:54,080 Speaker 1: practice your religion right and so that's what's happening, you know, 1563 01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:55,880 Speaker 1: you know that happens in a lot of countries and 1564 01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:58,240 Speaker 1: stuff like that. In Australia was one of them. He's 1565 01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:01,400 Speaker 1: one of them. Where there's eyes that are dying to 1566 01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:04,599 Speaker 1: go hunting, their destined to go hunting, they can't get 1567 01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:08,160 Speaker 1: access to somewhere like that is a horrible, horrible feeling. 1568 01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:13,120 Speaker 1: And in America to be able to just be like, I'll, 1569 01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:15,599 Speaker 1: you know, go and buy that over the counter tag general. 1570 01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,080 Speaker 1: You know, here's all this area that I can go 1571 01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,080 Speaker 1: even if there's no game, right Like we all want 1572 01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:23,600 Speaker 1: to find game, but even if there's no game, you 1573 01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:26,160 Speaker 1: get to go out and go hiking. And but you're 1574 01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:27,680 Speaker 1: gonna be the one to find out if there is 1575 01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,720 Speaker 1: nobody's gonna go over there, let me let me check 1576 01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:34,760 Speaker 1: it out, Let me check it. And then one thing 1577 01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:38,000 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of hate for lately is guys 1578 01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:41,439 Speaker 1: that hunt ranches, private ranches, you know, like sort of 1579 01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:45,920 Speaker 1: belittling them, and you know, hunting these elite spots, you know, 1580 01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:49,960 Speaker 1: and and uh, Joe's name come up a couple of 1581 01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,120 Speaker 1: times because he hunted wherever he hunts in ce A 1582 01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:58,240 Speaker 1: And I'm like, you've got to think that Joe's probably 1583 01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:00,479 Speaker 1: got a lot of money, but not a at a time. 1584 01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:03,200 Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you go and do that? And that's got 1585 01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:05,360 Speaker 1: a lot of time. I can spend time public land, 1586 01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:08,240 Speaker 1: And I just what did I do last year? Twenty 1587 01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:11,559 Speaker 1: seven days? And I killed a bull on day seven? Alright, 1588 01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,800 Speaker 1: Sometimes that's what public land can be like. So if 1589 01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,280 Speaker 1: you didn't have the time but the money, why wouldn't 1590 01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:19,000 Speaker 1: you go and pay a ranch to go and hunt 1591 01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,880 Speaker 1: on his place? That doesn't get hunted the death and 1592 01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:25,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna get onto game, you know, and there's still 1593 01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:28,240 Speaker 1: no guarantee. Yeah there's still hunting. But yeah, I mean 1594 01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:31,360 Speaker 1: we're talking about this that I run into this subject 1595 01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,479 Speaker 1: way more than any other, and it pisses me off. 1596 01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:36,320 Speaker 1: Is starting to get old, and I haven't been guilty 1597 01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:38,080 Speaker 1: of it before, Like what was that guy? Always want 1598 01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:41,360 Speaker 1: to put private land and talking ship? And recently I realized, 1599 01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:44,439 Speaker 1: like what an a hole I was for thinking that 1600 01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:47,439 Speaker 1: or put down somebody like come on, man, these are 1601 01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:51,360 Speaker 1: people people like Joe Rogan or campaign's campaigns especially let's 1602 01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:53,639 Speaker 1: take Camp for for example, because people love to talk 1603 01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:56,200 Speaker 1: about that guy and I do too, because I think 1604 01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:59,800 Speaker 1: he's a great human being. Like the outside of his 1605 01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:01,360 Speaker 1: you know, I've spent time with him. You spend time 1606 01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:05,040 Speaker 1: with him outside of his Instagram. You erase that from 1607 01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:08,800 Speaker 1: the earth, and that's a good outstanding, good fellows and 1608 01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:11,840 Speaker 1: so beautiful. Ta Yeah, nice teeth, very white. White is 1609 01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:15,679 Speaker 1: your shirt? It's kind of do you think they're real? Yeah, 1610 01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:20,120 Speaker 1: they're they're real. There's no need to um. But here's Cam, right, 1611 01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:23,040 Speaker 1: So Cam goes out. He he came up in this 1612 01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:26,960 Speaker 1: industry hunting d I Y I mean, wrote books. He 1613 01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:28,799 Speaker 1: was the d I Y hunting guy, wrote for Eastman's 1614 01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:32,400 Speaker 1: Hunting Journal. This is that. That was Cam. A Cube 1615 01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,519 Speaker 1: wrote a song about him. Yeah, it's like I started 1616 01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:36,880 Speaker 1: these gangs to ship. This is the motherfucking thanks. I 1617 01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:44,559 Speaker 1: get no money, no problems. Yeah by singing Cam's Yeah, 1618 01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:49,600 Speaker 1: here's an omeime earned it and done his time. He 1619 01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:52,200 Speaker 1: works at nine to five. He loves to kill big elk. 1620 01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:54,439 Speaker 1: That's what he likes to do. And he goes on 1621 01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:58,120 Speaker 1: on place like the Desiret or other ranches and he 1622 01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:00,840 Speaker 1: does that and he promotes hunting. He promos his love 1623 01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,160 Speaker 1: for it, and that's what he does. And if you 1624 01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:08,479 Speaker 1: have a problem with that you have a problem and 1625 01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:10,880 Speaker 1: if you can't respect that, this guy is like some 1626 01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,920 Speaker 1: way graduated to be able to do that. He's earned 1627 01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:17,000 Speaker 1: his keep to be able to do that. I'm not 1628 01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:18,920 Speaker 1: sure what I can do for you. Yeah, the thing 1629 01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:21,400 Speaker 1: is it can didn't get the opportunity to hunt one 1630 01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:23,800 Speaker 1: of those ranches. He just going through the public thing. 1631 01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:28,120 Speaker 1: He's refined as hunting to the point where, just like Joe, 1632 01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,439 Speaker 1: they now have they have limited time. They know what 1633 01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:33,559 Speaker 1: they like to do, They define what they want to do. 1634 01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:35,280 Speaker 1: They have the money and the time and the and 1635 01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:37,360 Speaker 1: the friends to help them do the things they want 1636 01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:40,120 Speaker 1: to do, and that's what they do. Is that what 1637 01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:42,840 Speaker 1: Ronnella does or I do, or you do know, but 1638 01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:46,800 Speaker 1: it ain't wrong, is not wrong. I've been guilty. I'm 1639 01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:49,280 Speaker 1: sitting here and I have been guilty of criticizing people 1640 01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:52,840 Speaker 1: for that in the past, and very recently I realized 1641 01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:55,120 Speaker 1: that I was wrong, and that is wrong. I did 1642 01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:58,639 Speaker 1: the opposite because I would be like the first time 1643 01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:03,280 Speaker 1: I hunted North America was New Mexico, and I was like, 1644 01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,360 Speaker 1: I'll probably only do this once. I want to do 1645 01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:09,839 Speaker 1: it right, And I bought a landowner attack and hunted 1646 01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:13,840 Speaker 1: like Unit twelve in New Mexico and seen good balls 1647 01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:17,120 Speaker 1: every day and was like holding out for a free 1648 01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:19,559 Speaker 1: fifty ball end up killing like a big free fifty 1649 01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:22,800 Speaker 1: on like day seven or eight or something. Heaps of 1650 01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,879 Speaker 1: effort went in. It was a hunt of a lifetime. 1651 01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:28,200 Speaker 1: Like I still recall that hunt as one of the 1652 01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:32,519 Speaker 1: best hunts that I've ever been on. And then I 1653 01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:35,880 Speaker 1: went the opposite because I was like then I didn't 1654 01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:38,760 Speaker 1: have as much money and free finance to do sort 1655 01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:41,799 Speaker 1: of stuff like that, and I realized that ship America 1656 01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:44,479 Speaker 1: is just to fly away North American. I realized that 1657 01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:46,320 Speaker 1: I love the country and the people here in the 1658 01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:50,040 Speaker 1: game and stuff like that. And like I've hunted elk 1659 01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:52,400 Speaker 1: every single year since. And now that I've got that 1660 01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:55,280 Speaker 1: time because of my business, you know, my business is 1661 01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:59,400 Speaker 1: turning over and paying bills. Really understand, No, that's right. 1662 01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:02,280 Speaker 1: I just live for a good tag every year. But 1663 01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:03,600 Speaker 1: now that I've got the time and I can come 1664 01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:05,519 Speaker 1: to America for the whole of it, like the whole 1665 01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:08,240 Speaker 1: of the season or like five six months or whatever 1666 01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:11,120 Speaker 1: it is, now I realize I can spend the time 1667 01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:14,240 Speaker 1: going back into the back country and the remote romance, 1668 01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,679 Speaker 1: so that I love doing that. But even this trip, 1669 01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,080 Speaker 1: because the hunting has been so tough, there's been times 1670 01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:22,000 Speaker 1: where I'm like, shit, I wish I just took Kim 1671 01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:26,360 Speaker 1: to like a private, private ranch because she's never she 1672 01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:29,160 Speaker 1: hasn't had the opportunity to even act on a stalk 1673 01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:32,040 Speaker 1: or something on a bull this whole time, and she's 1674 01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:35,120 Speaker 1: been busting asked, like she's been going harder than any 1675 01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:38,160 Speaker 1: guys that I know, like hunting and wanting it so bad. 1676 01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:40,320 Speaker 1: There was I did a video where she's like crying, 1677 01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:43,640 Speaker 1: she wants it that bad and it's not something they 1678 01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:47,200 Speaker 1: can just go and get. You got to chase it 1679 01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:50,519 Speaker 1: so hard and it still mightn't even happen. And has 1680 01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:52,120 Speaker 1: been times when I'm like, shout, I just wish I 1681 01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:54,719 Speaker 1: went to a ranch, you know, And I'm not talking 1682 01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:58,120 Speaker 1: in Australia and New Zealand they called high fence. Is 1683 01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:00,600 Speaker 1: what a ranch is? Like close range That's not what 1684 01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:04,040 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. That's never on the cards. But a 1685 01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:07,120 Speaker 1: ranch is in some where private doesn't get freshed by 1686 01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:09,439 Speaker 1: you know, the public and stuff like that. It's something 1687 01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:13,000 Speaker 1: a bit more elite. But then it's like, no, I've 1688 01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:16,160 Speaker 1: got time is next year. But it's it's exactly what 1689 01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:19,360 Speaker 1: you said. If I was still running my business and 1690 01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:22,160 Speaker 1: I had like a week, two weeks or whatever after 1691 01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:24,400 Speaker 1: come over here and get a bull killed, I wouldn't 1692 01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:27,200 Speaker 1: be doing public land because I haven't been the public 1693 01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:29,559 Speaker 1: land yet where it's like there's a bull, there's a bull, 1694 01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:32,880 Speaker 1: there's a bull. No, I haven't been there, well somebody, Yeah, 1695 01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:35,920 Speaker 1: then that's a situation that you know when you go 1696 01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:38,240 Speaker 1: to some of these bigger ranches that you get into 1697 01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,360 Speaker 1: and it's a different experience. And I've done it a 1698 01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:44,040 Speaker 1: few times and for me, it's like, yeah, I get it. 1699 01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:45,519 Speaker 1: If this is the only time I had to hunt, 1700 01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:47,200 Speaker 1: I might do it this way. But that's not for me. 1701 01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:54,559 Speaker 1: Else that's no reason to hate on it. It's still 1702 01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,360 Speaker 1: one percent hunting, Like that's what I've sort of seen 1703 01:30:57,400 --> 01:30:59,320 Speaker 1: a lot of lately, you know. And it's like or 1704 01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:03,000 Speaker 1: people would try and pit me against someone else, you know, 1705 01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:05,160 Speaker 1: or someone else against me, and it's like, what do 1706 01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:07,320 Speaker 1: you mean they don't that I don't want to do 1707 01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:10,160 Speaker 1: public land, not my spots. My spots ship my spots 1708 01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:12,680 Speaker 1: take a month to find a ball to kill, you know. 1709 01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:16,320 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying there's awesome public land spots out there, 1710 01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:19,400 Speaker 1: but you still need time to put in time effort. Yeah, 1711 01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:21,760 Speaker 1: and then it's that and then there's no laziness, and 1712 01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:24,240 Speaker 1: and that there's no laziness in it. There just isn't. 1713 01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:28,640 Speaker 1: There is a circumstance. And like I said, I I 1714 01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:32,600 Speaker 1: really I don't need to say the guy's name, but 1715 01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:34,720 Speaker 1: we have a mutual friend. Like we got in a 1716 01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:36,840 Speaker 1: vehicle right after we came back from one nine and 1717 01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:40,639 Speaker 1: we were riding around and bitching the whole time, talking 1718 01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:42,920 Speaker 1: about this and then hunting this and that, this person 1719 01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,639 Speaker 1: doing this and that, And I just was like, wait 1720 01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:49,320 Speaker 1: a minute, what are we doing? Man, what are we doing? 1721 01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:52,360 Speaker 1: Why are we talking? These are people? A lot of 1722 01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:54,439 Speaker 1: these people we know, we know they're good people, we 1723 01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:57,920 Speaker 1: know they're good hunters. And like we turn back this 1724 01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:02,280 Speaker 1: ship back this negative and I can that we this 1725 01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:04,759 Speaker 1: is in Australia and we've just gotten in the camp 1726 01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:07,280 Speaker 1: and it was awesome. There was deer everywhere and the 1727 01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:09,080 Speaker 1: hunt was kicking off and I was with a couple 1728 01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:14,200 Speaker 1: of really good guys and um the property owner there, 1729 01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:17,000 Speaker 1: who was also a bit of a hunter, was like 1730 01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:19,559 Speaker 1: real negative minded and talked a lot of shit about 1731 01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:21,559 Speaker 1: people that I did know and that I didn't know, 1732 01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:26,320 Speaker 1: and like I just judge people off me, you know, 1733 01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:28,360 Speaker 1: like it's all right to be aware of something like 1734 01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,719 Speaker 1: you say, oh, such and such is like a bit stabby. 1735 01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:32,760 Speaker 1: You might try and rape you in the night. That'd 1736 01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:36,320 Speaker 1: be nice to know. But I'm still gonna I'm still 1737 01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:40,760 Speaker 1: going to assess that person of my own dealings. And 1738 01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:42,720 Speaker 1: if I haven't had any bad dealings, there's no need 1739 01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:44,800 Speaker 1: to hate on anything. And even if I did, I 1740 01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:47,200 Speaker 1: just leave it. I just let it go. Just don't 1741 01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:50,280 Speaker 1: associate with that person anymore. Anyway. The property owners talking 1742 01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:52,320 Speaker 1: ship and one of my buddies is talking ship and 1743 01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:55,880 Speaker 1: it's like three hours of just negative trash talk and 1744 01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:58,720 Speaker 1: every hunter under the sun that they have never met 1745 01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:01,320 Speaker 1: theirselves either. And I got up in the mind and 1746 01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:04,840 Speaker 1: I packed up, and the mates like what are you doing. 1747 01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:07,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm going, dude, I didn't come here for this. 1748 01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:09,120 Speaker 1: I come here to have a good time, you know, 1749 01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:12,080 Speaker 1: and go hunting. And all that ship talk last night, 1750 01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:14,160 Speaker 1: you know, you're talking about guys that have kids just 1751 01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:18,559 Speaker 1: like me. Your your saying things that have been set 1752 01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:21,400 Speaker 1: against me, and you know they're not true. So how 1753 01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:23,720 Speaker 1: do you know they're not true about true about this 1754 01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:27,600 Speaker 1: other person? Like people are saying the same rumors and 1755 01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:31,280 Speaker 1: shit about me, and He's he's like, just took a 1756 01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:35,280 Speaker 1: step back, and lucky, he's like an intelligent dude because 1757 01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:37,920 Speaker 1: he took a step back and realized that it was wrong. 1758 01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:40,080 Speaker 1: And he's never been like that again. He just got 1759 01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:43,880 Speaker 1: caught up with that negativity, that trash talking people. And 1760 01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:45,240 Speaker 1: I think now that he's met a few of the 1761 01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:47,120 Speaker 1: people that he was trash talk and he's realized they 1762 01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:49,519 Speaker 1: aren't no different than me and him, you know, they're 1763 01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:52,280 Speaker 1: just people like us. You know, I tell people all 1764 01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:54,559 Speaker 1: the time my job prior to the one i'm this 1765 01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:56,720 Speaker 1: building we're sitting there now, was to really know all 1766 01:33:56,720 --> 01:34:00,360 Speaker 1: those people that influence other and to get to them 1767 01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:04,000 Speaker 1: and to bring them in. And and you influence people, 1768 01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:07,080 Speaker 1: it's my job to know you and assess your value 1769 01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:12,000 Speaker 1: to a company. It's a weird situation anyway, but what 1770 01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:14,960 Speaker 1: I took from it is is that there was very, very, 1771 01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:18,360 Speaker 1: very few people. And you saw this. You know, at 1772 01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:20,040 Speaker 1: some point could fill a room with five hundred people 1773 01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:21,919 Speaker 1: that I knew, and they were all in the hunting industry, 1774 01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:25,599 Speaker 1: there's like very few people I would look at now 1775 01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:29,800 Speaker 1: and use the word hate or even dislike like maybe 1776 01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:33,360 Speaker 1: different people, maybe not going to be best buddies, maybe whatever. 1777 01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:36,080 Speaker 1: But now that I look at it, and just like 1778 01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:38,599 Speaker 1: you said, like nobody told me this, but I had 1779 01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:42,599 Speaker 1: it in my own mind, Like, come on, dude, the negativity. 1780 01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:45,880 Speaker 1: You think you're virtuous and the like you're gonna, you know, 1781 01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:48,960 Speaker 1: I act like you have some real opinion, and then 1782 01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:52,160 Speaker 1: in private with your buddies, you're gonna start running your 1783 01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:57,680 Speaker 1: yap about people like come on, man, get real, And 1784 01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:00,720 Speaker 1: if anybody listen to this is doing that, let's take 1785 01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:06,439 Speaker 1: a step back for a minute. I think who's his benefiting? Yeah, 1786 01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:10,280 Speaker 1: is this benefiting anyone? Because if it's not, why well yeah, 1787 01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:13,320 Speaker 1: that goes this This whole conversation line goes back to 1788 01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:15,400 Speaker 1: when I ask you, like, hey, what's it looked like 1789 01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:17,360 Speaker 1: for your kids? And your first reaction was, well, there's 1790 01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:21,280 Speaker 1: a lot of hate and there's a lot of divisiveness 1791 01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:24,400 Speaker 1: out there. Like we as a community or just regular 1792 01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:28,639 Speaker 1: folks that like to do similar things can always point 1793 01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:31,040 Speaker 1: to the device inness whether it's in our own lives 1794 01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:33,759 Speaker 1: or whether it's on social media or wherever we're living 1795 01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:37,160 Speaker 1: or traveling, and like there's the device inness right over there. 1796 01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,320 Speaker 1: I don't want that. Like for me, I'll be on. 1797 01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:43,479 Speaker 1: Like the n r A is a divisive, very good 1798 01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:46,240 Speaker 1: organization that does a lot of good stuff, but the 1799 01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:50,760 Speaker 1: divisiveness is where I get off the ship. That's where 1800 01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:53,720 Speaker 1: I get off. And even my own personal life and 1801 01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:57,400 Speaker 1: my dealings is like, if you're a divisive figure, I'm 1802 01:35:57,439 --> 01:36:01,240 Speaker 1: off now. It's not worth it. There's nothing worth that. 1803 01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:04,280 Speaker 1: And even in now that we have a media company 1804 01:36:04,280 --> 01:36:07,599 Speaker 1: of sorts to be devices to get eyeballs, right, if 1805 01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:10,800 Speaker 1: we were sitting here saying a much controversial things, more 1806 01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:13,320 Speaker 1: people might listen to this thing. Yeah, I mean, you know, 1807 01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:17,680 Speaker 1: so it's it's that shallow audience and you know, and 1808 01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:20,600 Speaker 1: that's what that's that's what I see a lot happening of. 1809 01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:23,880 Speaker 1: You know, it's just whatever gets to raise, whatever grabs 1810 01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:26,280 Speaker 1: an audience at the time, so people will stay and 1811 01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:30,840 Speaker 1: do stupid things. And if you're uh, if you're like 1812 01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:34,320 Speaker 1: a name, you know, you've basically become an item, you know, 1813 01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:36,439 Speaker 1: and people just talk about you like you're another item, 1814 01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:40,559 Speaker 1: like Cameron Haynes, Joe Rogan, myself whatever, like you don't 1815 01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:42,360 Speaker 1: have a family, like you don't have feelings, that you're 1816 01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:44,400 Speaker 1: not human, that you don't care for people, and things 1817 01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:46,519 Speaker 1: like that. And when it gets that point where people 1818 01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:49,880 Speaker 1: start talking about you like that, that's the point where 1819 01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:55,400 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get off, like okay, this ship yeah yeah, yeah, 1820 01:36:55,840 --> 01:37:00,320 Speaker 1: yeah no, And that's you know, again, a lot of 1821 01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:02,559 Speaker 1: people listening or you know, some people say, these guys 1822 01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:04,479 Speaker 1: are just talking in circles around this thing. But it's 1823 01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:07,040 Speaker 1: it's really important when you get to your level and 1824 01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:12,839 Speaker 1: everybody can recognize having two thousand people follow you around 1825 01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:16,320 Speaker 1: is not normal. And so when you get to that 1826 01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:20,000 Speaker 1: new normal where that's your life, you gotta reor like 1827 01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:24,400 Speaker 1: reassess what's going on and reassess, like how do I 1828 01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:26,760 Speaker 1: now have to change the way I function as I 1829 01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:29,040 Speaker 1: make sure that this works because this is not the 1830 01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:32,080 Speaker 1: way it used to be. And I'm not trying to 1831 01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:36,439 Speaker 1: be a freaking movie star or anything like that either, 1832 01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:39,120 Speaker 1: you know. And that's why I keep saying I'm no 1833 01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:42,080 Speaker 1: different than anyone else. I make mistakes, a funk up, 1834 01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:44,519 Speaker 1: I'm just the person you know. I still love and 1835 01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:50,400 Speaker 1: care about everything though, So yeah, it's just weird. I'm 1836 01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:54,080 Speaker 1: just because people do get it wrong, you know, they 1837 01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:56,040 Speaker 1: think that you're in it for the wrong reasons, that 1838 01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:59,920 Speaker 1: you said it before sponsorship or audience or something like that. 1839 01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:03,280 Speaker 1: You know, like, no, no, I'm just trying to promote 1840 01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:05,439 Speaker 1: our pastime what we do and have a good life 1841 01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:07,960 Speaker 1: doing it, and hopefully the people around me have a 1842 01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:10,559 Speaker 1: good life as well. That's all you really need to do. 1843 01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:15,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna take questions. A lot of people are just 1844 01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:16,840 Speaker 1: saying thanks for doing what you do. I was reading 1845 01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:19,160 Speaker 1: a couple of your talk I appreciate it. There's a guy, 1846 01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:22,080 Speaker 1: Jason Holidays. I don't have a question. I just want 1847 01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:24,559 Speaker 1: to say thank you for sharing all your adventures. They're 1848 01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:28,160 Speaker 1: inspiring for guys like me to dream about doing hunt 1849 01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:30,320 Speaker 1: like that in British Columbia. Keep up all your hard work. 1850 01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:33,800 Speaker 1: Much appreciate it. Ah, Yeah, you don't have to do 1851 01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:40,240 Speaker 1: British Columbia. Um, British Columbia is magnificent. It is freaking beautiful. 1852 01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:44,120 Speaker 1: But if you're a foreigner like myself, you need a 1853 01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:46,960 Speaker 1: guide or an outfit. And so we're talking about a 1854 01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:49,120 Speaker 1: money hunt, you know, like it's like a it's a 1855 01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:53,040 Speaker 1: big dollars hunt to go and do that, and and 1856 01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:55,080 Speaker 1: it is worth it if you have the money spare 1857 01:38:55,560 --> 01:38:59,559 Speaker 1: per it's completely worth it. And when you see the 1858 01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:05,400 Speaker 1: um freaking nightmare, which is like getting in there and 1859 01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:08,280 Speaker 1: getting out and having all those horses and camps, you 1860 01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:10,080 Speaker 1: can see why it costs that much, because I think 1861 01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:14,400 Speaker 1: people just think they charged dollars and for the animal. Yes, 1862 01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:17,679 Speaker 1: I went with Dustin Row, which is backcountry BC and beyond, 1863 01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:22,679 Speaker 1: and people must think like Dustin's cashed up. But you're 1864 01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:26,240 Speaker 1: in there, there's like twenty horses that you didn't have 1865 01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:30,320 Speaker 1: to feed or get in there or raise your camps, 1866 01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:34,280 Speaker 1: fuel float plane. Once you get a bull killed like 1867 01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:37,080 Speaker 1: a moose, getting the meat and everything out of there 1868 01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:41,600 Speaker 1: is it's just a logistical nightmare. So to have a 1869 01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:45,080 Speaker 1: business like an outfitter that runs something like that, it's 1870 01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:47,760 Speaker 1: worth it, um. But you need to have the money 1871 01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:49,360 Speaker 1: to do a hunt like that. So what I would 1872 01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:53,680 Speaker 1: say is is that guy might already Jason was his name, 1873 01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:57,519 Speaker 1: that there's so much good public land that you can 1874 01:39:57,560 --> 01:40:00,760 Speaker 1: go in for nearly zero dollars in the country and 1875 01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:03,679 Speaker 1: feel exactly how I felt in the back of BC. 1876 01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:06,719 Speaker 1: That um, if you don't if you don't have the 1877 01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:09,120 Speaker 1: money to do like a back country BC hunt or 1878 01:40:09,200 --> 01:40:12,120 Speaker 1: something like that. Then just get into some remote public land. 1879 01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:18,800 Speaker 1: Well did here's b shook five best Australian accent Jordan 1880 01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:23,559 Speaker 1: Harbinson camp or ben O Brown. Let me hear yours good? 1881 01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,720 Speaker 1: I might is every good? That's pretty good. Yeah, well 1882 01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:29,439 Speaker 1: there's a video out there you can of me doing 1883 01:40:29,439 --> 01:40:35,599 Speaker 1: that drunk is skunk. That was good that your kids 1884 01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:38,360 Speaker 1: were like, you're famous in our family. You're the drunk one, 1885 01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:41,200 Speaker 1: the funny drunk one. Yeah, I'm glad we cut him 1886 01:40:41,240 --> 01:40:46,360 Speaker 1: short on the podcast. Yeah. Oh man, no, especially he's fun. 1887 01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:50,640 Speaker 1: That's the ship. Well, I we can go through a 1888 01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:52,320 Speaker 1: much more questions. We'll say, well, we'll look at one 1889 01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:54,400 Speaker 1: more here, We'll find one more good before we go. 1890 01:40:56,240 --> 01:41:03,679 Speaker 1: Let's see a lot of people just aren't wait. Very exciting, alright, 1891 01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:08,719 Speaker 1: A lot of roguan questions. Best Roguan hunting story, when's 1892 01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:10,880 Speaker 1: Rogan coming to us? But let's just stick my best 1893 01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:17,479 Speaker 1: Roguan hunting story, Best Rogan hunting story. Shit, I don't know. 1894 01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:20,040 Speaker 1: I prefer the one. How do we get into Australia. 1895 01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:21,920 Speaker 1: That's like a couple lot of questions. What do we 1896 01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:24,200 Speaker 1: do to get into. I don't know, because I've tried 1897 01:41:24,240 --> 01:41:27,799 Speaker 1: all tried everything. I know. America's he's more dangerous in Australia, 1898 01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:31,440 Speaker 1: that's right, And he's like carrying on like Australia so dangerous. 1899 01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:34,280 Speaker 1: And then when like I think I nearly got killed 1900 01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:36,240 Speaker 1: five times in the first week when I was to 1901 01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:40,320 Speaker 1: come to America, and then um, I think we've seen 1902 01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:44,559 Speaker 1: seventeen snakes by week two and I've seen two snakes 1903 01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:47,920 Speaker 1: this whole year in Australia. See, maybe there's some kind 1904 01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:51,200 Speaker 1: of data and analytics that we can gather. Yeah, we 1905 01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:54,000 Speaker 1: need something we need for startards. We need to cut 1906 01:41:54,280 --> 01:41:57,320 Speaker 1: like the Discovery Channel and all those channels of that 1907 01:41:57,479 --> 01:42:02,479 Speaker 1: do like Australia is like, yeah, spiders and we need 1908 01:42:02,479 --> 01:42:05,920 Speaker 1: to kill that sat dish and yeah, we need to 1909 01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:08,840 Speaker 1: get some real stats to him. I would say, I 1910 01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:11,600 Speaker 1: would venture a guess that it is more dangerous to 1911 01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:16,040 Speaker 1: drive on the freeway in Los Angeles unting with Adam 1912 01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:20,280 Speaker 1: green Tree in Australia. That's just a guess. I venture 1913 01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:23,479 Speaker 1: that that's probably it's a hundred percent. It's like I said, 1914 01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:25,799 Speaker 1: like the whole time in the back country of Montana, 1915 01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:29,320 Speaker 1: the whole way your cautious of bears, like you think 1916 01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:32,240 Speaker 1: you're just preparing yourself. You know, a bear comes and 1917 01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:33,960 Speaker 1: I'm telling Kim, you know this how you use the 1918 01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:36,479 Speaker 1: bear spray. You know if a bear grabs me, this 1919 01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:37,640 Speaker 1: is what you need to do with the gun. And 1920 01:42:37,680 --> 01:42:39,679 Speaker 1: I've been showing how to load the gun and everything 1921 01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:43,720 Speaker 1: like that, and you know, food storage around camp and 1922 01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:47,720 Speaker 1: just constantly going over it. In Australia, like if you 1923 01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:49,920 Speaker 1: go to the Norman Territory, the only time you're talking 1924 01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:52,400 Speaker 1: about crocodiles is when you go up to the water. 1925 01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:54,800 Speaker 1: That's the only time you can't away from the water, 1926 01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:56,920 Speaker 1: No talk about crocodiles. You go to the water to 1927 01:42:56,920 --> 01:42:58,840 Speaker 1: get You go to the water to get water, talk 1928 01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:03,000 Speaker 1: about crocodiles. That's it. There's the difference. Well, I mean, 1929 01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:05,920 Speaker 1: we'll get him eventually. I like to. I'd like to 1930 01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:09,000 Speaker 1: be there, maybe a meat Eater episode, maybe just Joe, 1931 01:43:09,080 --> 01:43:11,200 Speaker 1: a couple of just Joe just in a tree the 1932 01:43:11,320 --> 01:43:14,320 Speaker 1: entire time, unwilling to come down. Yeah, I'm supposed to 1933 01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:16,280 Speaker 1: do a podcast with him in this trip. And already 1934 01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:18,280 Speaker 1: thinking about we've got a pet snake now and a 1935 01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:20,280 Speaker 1: pet spider, and I was thinking about taking both of 1936 01:43:20,280 --> 01:43:25,080 Speaker 1: them to the studio releasing them and like, how about 1937 01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:28,719 Speaker 1: Australia now, bitch, be like not on even, but don't 1938 01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:31,960 Speaker 1: tell until it's over exactly somewhere in your studio. Yeah, 1939 01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:37,920 Speaker 1: I've left a copperhead rattlesnakes seven points in the spiders exactly. 1940 01:43:38,439 --> 01:43:41,600 Speaker 1: Come to Australian now or die the only one? Hi? 1941 01:43:42,240 --> 01:43:44,360 Speaker 1: Can you? I've got a question of you. Yeah, please 1942 01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:47,479 Speaker 1: tell me tell us a little bit about the future 1943 01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:50,479 Speaker 1: of meat Eat Yeah. Yeah, We've talked about this a 1944 01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:52,519 Speaker 1: little bit on the show. What I mean, it's like, 1945 01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:55,599 Speaker 1: I know you've got April folks, you guys a lot 1946 01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:58,600 Speaker 1: of our good friends. She's awesome, dude. I didn't know 1947 01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:00,360 Speaker 1: her very well before we kind of got into this, 1948 01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:03,080 Speaker 1: but now I talked to her daily and she's an 1949 01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:08,080 Speaker 1: amazing human. Good lord. Um. The future of this thing 1950 01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:09,960 Speaker 1: is very much what you know at this point, being 1951 01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:12,120 Speaker 1: a startup company was what we want to make it. 1952 01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:16,120 Speaker 1: But my one of my major goals is like to 1953 01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:20,519 Speaker 1: to you know, steer this ship to take all the 1954 01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:23,280 Speaker 1: good things that is happening hunting, you know, for great 1955 01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:28,080 Speaker 1: examples like how do we take the excitement around live 1956 01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:30,640 Speaker 1: hunting and Instagram stories and following someone on adventure and 1957 01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:33,200 Speaker 1: amplify that for everybody. You know, how do we take 1958 01:44:34,120 --> 01:44:36,680 Speaker 1: the knowledge that you have, or the knowledge that Steve has, 1959 01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:38,320 Speaker 1: or the knowledge that I've gained over the years and 1960 01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:41,920 Speaker 1: package that up and give it to everyone. How do 1961 01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,880 Speaker 1: we do those things? Not only they've already that's been 1962 01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:47,760 Speaker 1: done for years. You've written articles, I've readen articles. We've 1963 01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:51,880 Speaker 1: all done that. But I feel like this world is 1964 01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:54,080 Speaker 1: ripe for a different and better way to do that, 1965 01:44:54,240 --> 01:44:58,599 Speaker 1: especially the hunting world, because it's such a information based game. 1966 01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:01,080 Speaker 1: If you're not informed, if you don't know what you're doing, 1967 01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:03,040 Speaker 1: if you don't have somebody to influence you in a 1968 01:45:03,080 --> 01:45:06,839 Speaker 1: positive way, you will flunk out before you even get started. 1969 01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:09,880 Speaker 1: And that's so much like what you do. That's what 1970 01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:12,960 Speaker 1: we weren't trying to do, and we've got, you know, 1971 01:45:13,800 --> 01:45:16,120 Speaker 1: some resources to do it, and that's very much what 1972 01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:19,519 Speaker 1: we want to do. And it's all around like our 1973 01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:22,639 Speaker 1: y is very much like we. The outdoors are sacred, 1974 01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:27,000 Speaker 1: we all share them, and we want to promote a 1975 01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:30,600 Speaker 1: better interaction because we know that it enriches all of 1976 01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:33,519 Speaker 1: our lives, not just mine or yours, but everybody so 1977 01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:36,560 Speaker 1: the natural world becomes a center point for like this communication, 1978 01:45:37,479 --> 01:45:40,280 Speaker 1: and my job partially is to make sure that communication 1979 01:45:40,439 --> 01:45:43,679 Speaker 1: is better. Yeah, that's that's more engaging, and that people 1980 01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:46,600 Speaker 1: can take it in in easier ways, and and that 1981 01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:49,800 Speaker 1: the and that we're motivated by our audience and not 1982 01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:53,040 Speaker 1: by anything else. You know, that's amazing that used to 1983 01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:56,479 Speaker 1: that vision and pushing it. Yeah, it was just like 1984 01:45:56,520 --> 01:45:58,200 Speaker 1: you man, it's like, what what do you Why do 1985 01:45:58,240 --> 01:45:59,840 Speaker 1: you get up in the morning? What's the thing that 1986 01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:03,880 Speaker 1: you know? I get slocked down? You know, I've got 1987 01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:05,760 Speaker 1: slogged down recently. And some of this is like you 1988 01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:08,599 Speaker 1: gotta do this, you gotta get through this. But every 1989 01:46:08,640 --> 01:46:11,280 Speaker 1: once in a while I can stop and think, how 1990 01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:14,519 Speaker 1: lucky am I to have this opportunity. If I screwed up, 1991 01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:17,880 Speaker 1: at least we screwed up collectively. At least I had 1992 01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:20,160 Speaker 1: the opportunity to you know, at least we gave it 1993 01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:22,040 Speaker 1: a shot. And if it doesn't work, it doesn't work, 1994 01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:26,200 Speaker 1: that's fine. I'll come out of a clean But that's 1995 01:46:26,240 --> 01:46:31,200 Speaker 1: a good feeling. Yeah, it's not without some successful anyway, 1996 01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:33,160 Speaker 1: But even if you're not, at least it lays a 1997 01:46:33,240 --> 01:46:35,759 Speaker 1: puff for whoever comes behind you. Yeah, and it's worth 1998 01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:39,080 Speaker 1: like acknowledging that there is there is a void in 1999 01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:41,559 Speaker 1: our media space, the one that you're filling and other 2000 01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:46,280 Speaker 1: folks are filling, and we can help amplify that, make 2001 01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:51,120 Speaker 1: it better and try, you know, to inform people. I've 2002 01:46:51,120 --> 01:46:55,240 Speaker 1: got a message today from a guy in Australia, Matt Rodgers. 2003 01:46:55,320 --> 01:46:58,920 Speaker 1: He's like a legendary football player in Australia. He just 2004 01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:04,920 Speaker 1: did uh um Survivor. It's like pretty popular in Australia 2005 01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:07,679 Speaker 1: TV show. I think you've got one as well, Survivor. 2006 01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:10,639 Speaker 1: He just was on Survivor and stuff and he's like, hey, 2007 01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:15,920 Speaker 1: have you ever watched meat Eata TV? Steve Ronnella so 2008 01:47:15,960 --> 01:47:18,040 Speaker 1: freaking cool. I don't want to buy meat anymore. I 2009 01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:19,639 Speaker 1: want to go out and hunt my own. Because I've 2010 01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:21,080 Speaker 1: been trying to get him into a bow for a 2011 01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:23,280 Speaker 1: little while. He's really keen, but he just gets really busy, 2012 01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:26,920 Speaker 1: obviously with his status. But um, and I just right 2013 01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:31,320 Speaker 1: back to him like, actually, I'm going to Steve's office today. Yes, 2014 01:47:31,479 --> 01:47:33,800 Speaker 1: collecting your own meat is the best, you know. And 2015 01:47:33,880 --> 01:47:38,960 Speaker 1: it's like it's amazing how Steve's platforms influencing people, you know, 2016 01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:41,040 Speaker 1: like and it is he does it in such a 2017 01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:43,880 Speaker 1: way that it makes people realize like how good that, 2018 01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:46,120 Speaker 1: you know. And it's like for a little while there, 2019 01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:48,559 Speaker 1: it just seemed like it was the fashionable thing to do, 2020 01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:50,559 Speaker 1: like you know, I'm going to get a bow or 2021 01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:53,040 Speaker 1: whatever and go and get my own meat. And right 2022 01:47:53,080 --> 01:47:56,200 Speaker 1: now it's slowly turning into what I'm seeing is no, 2023 01:47:56,400 --> 01:47:59,320 Speaker 1: that's life, that's that's life. Yeah, I mean, I think 2024 01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:02,120 Speaker 1: I clearly think that the more of this that goes on, 2025 01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:04,759 Speaker 1: the more urbanization that goes on, the more fancy coffee 2026 01:48:04,760 --> 01:48:07,439 Speaker 1: shops and cam booch the bars and bullshit of that nature, 2027 01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:11,120 Speaker 1: the more people are gonna long somewhere deep in their 2028 01:48:11,120 --> 01:48:14,240 Speaker 1: freaking bodies and their souls to go and to do 2029 01:48:14,360 --> 01:48:18,240 Speaker 1: something wrong and real and bloody, and and they're going 2030 01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:22,559 Speaker 1: to be like, wait, that's an option, and it's our job. 2031 01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:25,880 Speaker 1: Our job is a collective group, all of us to 2032 01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:28,559 Speaker 1: make that available to him, Like you don't have to 2033 01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:31,320 Speaker 1: do it, but here it is. Here, it is in 2034 01:48:31,439 --> 01:48:33,400 Speaker 1: the right way. Here, it is in a way that 2035 01:48:33,640 --> 01:48:35,639 Speaker 1: will make you better person. Do you think the human 2036 01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:37,559 Speaker 1: race got to a point where it just got sice? 2037 01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:39,519 Speaker 1: And I'll be that we fought, were better than an animal, 2038 01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:42,760 Speaker 1: for sure. I always think of that for sure, like 2039 01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:47,040 Speaker 1: we just got we just fought too. It's like, are 2040 01:48:47,080 --> 01:48:48,640 Speaker 1: you kidding? A lot of that stuff is happening in 2041 01:48:48,680 --> 01:48:53,240 Speaker 1: the background, steel pushed away from that. I always say like, 2042 01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:55,840 Speaker 1: there's got to be something, and I venture to have 2043 01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:58,479 Speaker 1: like a psychologist on at some point or somebody that's 2044 01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:01,280 Speaker 1: able to examine this and the more thoughtfulway than me. 2045 01:49:01,360 --> 01:49:03,800 Speaker 1: But like when you kill something, there's a feeling that 2046 01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:05,400 Speaker 1: you get when you kill something and you know that 2047 01:49:05,400 --> 01:49:08,080 Speaker 1: you're going to eat it and it's a wild animal, 2048 01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:11,760 Speaker 1: do you get a feeling that you can't explain and 2049 01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:14,120 Speaker 1: it is a deep and core in your DNA that 2050 01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:17,960 Speaker 1: this thing feel that feels right, You feel accomplished, you 2051 01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:21,639 Speaker 1: feel I feel so homed, like like I'm right where 2052 01:49:21,680 --> 01:49:23,920 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be exactly, and that's why I can 2053 01:49:23,960 --> 01:49:27,559 Speaker 1: explain it right where I'm supposed to be. Good luck 2054 01:49:27,640 --> 01:49:30,519 Speaker 1: really explaining that too. If you ever read that book 2055 01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:34,960 Speaker 1: Omnivor's Dilemma by Michael Poland, he says hunting is so 2056 01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:38,520 Speaker 1: different from the inside than it is from the outside. 2057 01:49:39,160 --> 01:49:44,479 Speaker 1: Almost He's almost inexplainable, So you can almost cannot conceive 2058 01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:46,760 Speaker 1: of what it feels like do this and what it 2059 01:49:46,760 --> 01:49:49,040 Speaker 1: feels like not to do it. And now we have 2060 01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:51,120 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of humans that know don't 2061 01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:53,960 Speaker 1: know what it feels like to do it, whereas you know, 2062 01:49:54,160 --> 01:49:58,720 Speaker 1: hundred thousand generations of people that's all they knew, and 2063 01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:01,880 Speaker 1: we're into the you know, ten twenty generations where people 2064 01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:04,600 Speaker 1: are now starting to completely move away from that and 2065 01:50:04,680 --> 01:50:08,479 Speaker 1: lose part of that connection, yet still consume the world 2066 01:50:08,479 --> 01:50:14,000 Speaker 1: around them, but just not actively. Yeah, that's so, you know, 2067 01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:17,080 Speaker 1: I think we're well this company and what you do 2068 01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:20,120 Speaker 1: and everybody that we're just like I always say, my 2069 01:50:20,120 --> 01:50:22,759 Speaker 1: my career is in the hunting industry. Hunting is my career. 2070 01:50:23,040 --> 01:50:25,479 Speaker 1: It's not Meaty or it's not Yetty, it's not Petersons hunting, 2071 01:50:25,479 --> 01:50:28,080 Speaker 1: it wasn't anything before that. It's in the hunting world. 2072 01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:32,040 Speaker 1: That's my career. That's what I care about. So you know, 2073 01:50:32,160 --> 01:50:34,880 Speaker 1: no matter what I'm doing, that's what I care about. 2074 01:50:35,400 --> 01:50:37,240 Speaker 1: And that's at the end of the day. I don't 2075 01:50:37,240 --> 01:50:39,479 Speaker 1: want anybody be like he was a great this for that, 2076 01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:42,559 Speaker 1: Like he was a great influence in the hunting community 2077 01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:46,160 Speaker 1: where you could do it like the big pitches hunting, 2078 01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:49,840 Speaker 1: that's it a company of laboring or anything. I don't 2079 01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:51,840 Speaker 1: know if you know my current bosses are like that, 2080 01:50:51,880 --> 01:50:53,400 Speaker 1: but I don't know if my previous ones like that. 2081 01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:55,160 Speaker 1: When I said it out loud, just keep saying it 2082 01:50:55,160 --> 01:50:58,120 Speaker 1: out loud, it's like, that's you know, I'm dedicated to 2083 01:50:58,160 --> 01:51:01,200 Speaker 1: that thing and that thing is more important than where 2084 01:51:01,439 --> 01:51:04,800 Speaker 1: I currently said. Then maybe that's I think where I 2085 01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:12,160 Speaker 1: currently said. Understand that definite hundred How come to Australia, 2086 01:51:12,240 --> 01:51:14,960 Speaker 1: fuck it? Yeah, I don't care. I'm not like Rogan, Yeah, 2087 01:51:16,280 --> 01:51:24,840 Speaker 1: except in usc there's a certain toughness there. I would 2088 01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:28,599 Speaker 1: say that toughness just willing, like I believe Joe Rogan 2089 01:51:28,680 --> 01:51:31,759 Speaker 1: could break my spine if he wanted to in about 2090 01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:36,320 Speaker 1: thirty seconds flat. But also we're at the back of 2091 01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:40,120 Speaker 1: the comedy store one time, mouse run out and Joe 2092 01:51:40,320 --> 01:51:44,680 Speaker 1: actually threw me in the path between him and the mouse. 2093 01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:48,080 Speaker 1: And so there's like two different toughness and I would 2094 01:51:48,120 --> 01:51:51,639 Speaker 1: like to believe that I'm way way tougher on that degree. 2095 01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:54,800 Speaker 1: We'll close on that. Everybody, Well, thank you dude, man. 2096 01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:58,680 Speaker 1: It's always good to spend time with you in the 2097 01:51:59,320 --> 01:52:01,840 Speaker 1: struck fresh It man, I appreciate you to hell you. 2098 01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:07,439 Speaker 1: That's it. That's all Episode number thirty three in the books. 2099 01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:10,920 Speaker 1: Thank you to Mr Adam green Tree and the green 2100 01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:16,240 Speaker 1: Tree kids. They are badasses all. Hopefully you enjoyed that conversation, 2101 01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:21,439 Speaker 1: you enjoyed keyring Adam's perspective on life, family, bow hunting, 2102 01:52:22,240 --> 01:52:25,720 Speaker 1: adventure and really for me, shines a light on how 2103 01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:27,360 Speaker 1: he came up and some of the struggles as a 2104 01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:30,280 Speaker 1: young man that he had to go through. It is 2105 01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:32,519 Speaker 1: an enlightening story to me and hopefully you found it 2106 01:52:32,640 --> 01:52:36,320 Speaker 1: the same. Next time one episode number thirty four, we 2107 01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:40,599 Speaker 1: have legendary surfer Shane Dorian straight out of Tona, Hawaii, 2108 01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:43,559 Speaker 1: where I joined him at his home to talk about surfing, 2109 01:52:43,720 --> 01:52:48,280 Speaker 1: hunting and chasing non native game all around why, which 2110 01:52:48,280 --> 01:52:51,240 Speaker 1: we have done together many times. So come back next 2111 01:52:51,320 --> 01:52:55,200 Speaker 1: Tuesday morning for Shane Dorian. 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