1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in. It's The Herd. 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 3: I'm Danny Parkins in for Colin from the great city 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 3: of Chicago. It is an honor and a thrill to 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 3: be here. We're ahead of the trade that line tomorrow, 11 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 3: so we'll talk to Ken Rosenthal later on this hour 12 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 3: see if any team can bridge the. 13 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: Gap between them and the Dodgers. 14 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 3: And if a Cowboys personnel person is speaking, they're probably 15 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 3: saying something weird, so we'll get to that as well. 16 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: But I want to be again with noting the calendar. 17 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 3: It's July thirtieth, and on August thirtieth, there's a pretty 18 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 3: big college football game Texas and Ohio State, which means 19 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 3: we get. 20 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 2: To see for real if Arch. 21 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 3: Manning can live up to and begin to even attempt 22 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 3: to live up to this ridiculous and dare I say 23 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 3: unprecedented level of hype because I can't wait for the game. 24 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 3: He is the most compelling story in college football this year. 25 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 3: A Manning is playing quarterback as the Heisman Trophy favorite 26 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 3: for the team that is the second favorite to win 27 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 3: the national championship. I am not at all surprised that 28 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: there is a lot of hype around Arch Manning, but 29 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 3: the hype around Arch Manning, to me, for now, should 30 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 3: be college football hype, not NFL hype. 31 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: And if I'm saying that I'm more of an. 32 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 3: NFL guy than a college guy, I just think the 33 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 3: place that we're in here is Jimmy class and esque. 34 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: And I'll explain what I mean. 35 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 3: In basketball, all the time, before you've played a minute 36 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 3: of college ball, we are talking about you in the 37 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 3: NBA Cooper Flag, Zion Williamson, Victor Wembinnama whatever. We've seen 38 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: it time and time and time again in basketball. In football, 39 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 3: you normally have to have college production and college hype 40 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 3: in order for us to talk about you as a pro. 41 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 3: There aren't that many guys who came out of high 42 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 3: school before they really played any college ball and know 43 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,119 Speaker 3: that guy's gonna be the number one pick in the draft. 44 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 3: And Arch Manning has ninety five career college pass attempts. 45 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 3: Arch Manning was on the sideline for a long time 46 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 3: behind quin yours. He's a Manning. If his name was 47 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 3: Arch Jones, which is kind of a cool name, we 48 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 3: wouldn't be talking about him as the number one overall pick. 49 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 3: And I loved Collins theory. Jimmy Haslam, owner of the Browns, 50 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 3: knows the Manning family. Terrible NFL team, quarterback starvation, multiple 51 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:22,119 Speaker 3: first round picks. Go get Go, get Sabin, go get 52 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 3: Arch Manning, put the band back together, and try to 53 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 3: save the Cleveland Browns. So there's been a ton of 54 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 3: speculation on this show and elsewhere about Arch Manning the Cleveland. 55 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 3: They asked Jimmy Haslam about it, and he's not exactly 56 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 3: fan in the flames. 57 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: I think if you know the Manning family, I would 58 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: bet that, and I don't. 59 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 4: Know Arch at all. 60 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 5: Okay, I bet he stays in college two years, So 61 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 5: that's I don't. 62 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: Even think that's worth discussing. I don't even think it's 63 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: worth discussing. 64 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 3: He says, which, oh, maybe he's a secret operative agent 65 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 3: for the Manning family and he's doing their bidding. We 66 00:03:55,600 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 3: need to see if this kid is legit. I don't know, touchdown. 67 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 3: The interception ratio in college is great, but this is 68 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 3: a different animal. 69 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: This level of. 70 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 3: Hype, this level of competition, this level of expectation, all 71 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 3: of it is way different than anything we've ever seen 72 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 3: him do before. Shador Sanders had a lot of hype 73 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 3: because of his last name. Arch Manning is obviously going 74 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 3: to have an extra level of hype because of his 75 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 3: last name. But there are just not a ton of 76 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 3: examples in college football where with this level or this amount, 77 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 3: this lack of college production, we're already slating you to 78 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 3: be the number one pick in the draft. Garrett Nussmeyer 79 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 3: at LSU, Drew Aller at Penn State supposed to be 80 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 3: a good quarterback class. There are other guys that are 81 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 3: way more accomplished in college than arch Manning is at 82 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 3: this point. Kyler Murray, when he came out of Tech 83 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 3: High School in Texas is forty two to h talked about, Oh, 84 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: maybe this best high school prospect in the state of Texas, 85 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 3: maybe he's going to be the number one pick. And 86 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 3: he ended up being the number one pick, but he 87 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 3: had a transfer, he had to sit out. There were 88 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 3: questions about his size. It wasn't a lock from day one, 89 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 3: and then he had to go out there and ball 90 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 3: out and win the Heisman Trophy and actually earn it. 91 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: Arch is gonna get that chance. 92 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 3: But normally, when it's a guy that gets all the 93 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,239 Speaker 3: hype beforehand, it's tough to live up to. Jimmy Clawson 94 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 3: obviously didn't. Trevor Lawrence ended up being the number one 95 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 3: overall picks certainly hasn't lived up to the hype thus far, 96 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 3: even though the Jaguars gave him. 97 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: That second contract. It's just much more of a basketball thing. 98 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 3: And while an owner saying something at a training camp 99 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 3: press conference isn't the biggest deal in the world. 100 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 2: When you figure Jimmy haslum. 101 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 3: See Booster brother governor of Tennessee knows, Peyton knows, the 102 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 3: Manning family has a terrible team would absolutely be interested 103 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 3: in drafting a Manning. 104 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: On its surface, it's not nothing. 105 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 3: And so this isn't like protect the kid like he's 106 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 3: a Manning. He's at Texas, He's gonna have hype. He'll 107 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 3: be able to handle it. It's part of the deal, 108 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 3: and it's part of the burden of carrying that last name. 109 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 3: But I'm actually almost more interested in seeing if he's good, 110 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 3: Like how good is he? He looks good, his coach 111 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 3: says he's good. His coach, by the way, when he 112 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 3: was on with Colin, made. 113 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,559 Speaker 2: Him sound a lot like his uncle Peyton. Here's sark. 114 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 2: His work ethic is incredible. 115 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 5: Whether it's you know, studying tape, studying film, studying the playbook, 116 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 5: working at his craft, you know, in the late room 117 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 5: like that that is, I mean, whether it's innate in 118 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 5: him or it was you know, handed down from his uncles, 119 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 5: whatever it was, his work ethic is really pretty incredible, 120 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 5: and that lends itself to the teammate that he is too. 121 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,239 Speaker 5: And again that's not to take away the arm talent, 122 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 5: the deep ball, the athleticism, all that. I think all 123 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 5: those things are a byproduct of how hard he works 124 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 5: at his craft and how hard he works at being 125 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 5: a great teammate. 126 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 3: So that obviously sounds a lot like a Manning. But 127 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: let's just learn from history. This time last year, Carson 128 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 3: Beck was the number one pick and he ended up 129 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: going back to school. 130 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: Peyton Manning. 131 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 3: Went back to school reportedly because he didn't want to 132 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 3: be drafted by the Jets, and we know about Eli 133 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,239 Speaker 3: skipping out on the Chargers to go be a Giant. 134 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 3: Maybe that's fair, maybe it isn't. But there is a 135 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 3: long way to go here. This story is way closer 136 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 3: to the beginning than the end. And I have no 137 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 3: idea if he'll play one year at college football, two 138 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 3: years of college football, end up being the number one 139 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 3: overall pick, live up to the last name, or ultimately 140 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 3: fall short. It's a tremendous amount of hype, almost impossible 141 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 3: to live up to. Hey, you've thrown ninety five passes 142 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 3: in college, but you're expected to be in the National 143 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 3: Championship Game and win the Heisman Trophy and oh yeah, 144 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 3: by the way, you're a Manning. Both your uncles were 145 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 3: number one picks at quarterback. Almost impossible for this kid 146 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: to live up to the hype. But it feels to 147 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 3: me like we are still years away from him in 148 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 3: the NFL, not at all, one season away from March 149 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 3: Manning being the number one overall pick. 150 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 2: You know, it's not terribly. 151 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 3: Often when you're in this business that you get to 152 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 3: be proven right that quickly, but earlier in the week, 153 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 3: and it's only Wednesday, so you know, we're in the 154 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 3: middle of the week, I said, NFL contracts now have 155 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 3: so much money attached to them that holdouts are a 156 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: thing of the past. 157 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 2: Disgruntled players are not a. 158 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 3: Thing of the past, but they're hold out to like 159 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 3: an endangered species. They're not gone, we'll see him again, 160 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 3: but way less common in a post Leveon Bell world. 161 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 3: I think that was like a real turning point for players. 162 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 3: Le'Veon Bell sat out a bunch of games. It seemed 163 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 3: to impact him when he came back, and he was 164 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 3: never the same player since it hurt him financially, reputationally 165 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 3: and with production on the field. But as the money 166 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 3: in the NFL continues to grow and grow and grow 167 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 3: in skyrocket, it's no reason to hold out. And I 168 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 3: bring that up because Trey Hendrickson was so wildly disappointed 169 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 3: in how the Bengals were handling him that he was 170 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 3: in Florida when the team reported the camp, and then 171 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 3: yesterday he reported the camp. 172 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 2: And so. 173 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 3: Will Trey Hendrickson sign? I don't know when will he sign? 174 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 3: I don't know, but it feels inevitable that this thing 175 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 3: will get done because if you just think about it, 176 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson, he's drastically outperformed his contract, where he's expected 177 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 3: to make sixteen. 178 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: Million bucks this year. 179 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 3: Holding out from camp and not being there, he was 180 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 3: getting fined fifty thousand dollars a day you go to camp. 181 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 2: That stops. He wants to make presumably what TJ. 182 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 3: Watt got, what Miles Garrett got, because his sack production 183 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 3: is similar to those guys, his age is similar to 184 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 3: those guys. He feels like based on production, he's in 185 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 3: that class, even if athletically he isn't. Maybe he has 186 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 3: more pure pass rushing situations because of the talent of 187 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 3: the offense, that sort of thing. I don't think anyone 188 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 3: would say he's a better player than Miles Garrett, but 189 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 3: he's got the argument to be a north of thirty 190 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 3: thirty five million dollars per year pass rusher, no question 191 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 3: about it. 192 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: He is underpaid relative to his production. 193 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 3: But so let's say the Bengals in his mind are 194 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: low balling him and they're only offering him thirty three 195 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 3: million dollars a year, Well, that's doubling his money from 196 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 3: sixteen million, and in a non guaranteed sport, not many 197 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 3: people are in a position to turn down thirty three 198 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 3: million dollars per season, and those numbers are just hypothetical. 199 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 3: But the point is that there is so much money 200 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 3: now that it's going to be very difficult for guys 201 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 3: to take a principled stand and feel tremendously slighted when 202 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 3: we're talking about tens of millions of dollars a year 203 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 3: to play football. And so I think ultimately this gets done. 204 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 3: Post Leveon Bell, Chris Jones was a high profile one. 205 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor, you know, missed a couple of games. But 206 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 3: for the most part, guys hold in. Guys make noise, 207 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 3: Guys leak things to the press, guys go on their podcasts. 208 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 3: But ultimately all of these deals get done. And in 209 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 3: Cincinnati they look at it like, hey, we've got. 210 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:05,479 Speaker 2: An offense that is super Bowl ready, scored. 211 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: Nearly twenty eight points per game last year, twenty seven 212 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 3: point eight last five years. If you've got an offense 213 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 3: that scores more than twenty seven points per game on average, 214 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 3: you win twelve games per year. Bengals won nine and 215 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 3: that was all because of their defense. So what do 216 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 3: they do? They went out and hired Al Golden to 217 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 3: be their defensive coordinator. 218 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 2: They drafted Shamar Stewart. 219 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 3: Three of their first four draft picks were on the 220 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 3: defensive side of the ball, and probably pay Trey Hendrickson. 221 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 3: I'll be shocked if they don't pay Trey Hendrickson because 222 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 3: they have the money to pay Trey Hendrickson and he's 223 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 3: by far their. 224 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 2: Best defensive player. 225 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 3: So, assuming Trey Hendrickson is back, and then they have 226 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 3: this influx of draft talent plus a new defensive coordinator, Bump, 227 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 3: and the offense stays the same, the Bengals feel like 228 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 3: we can win the AFC North and in the playoffs, 229 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 3: we've got Joe Burrow and we can score thirty a 230 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 3: game and we can go out there and make a run. 231 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 3: And that's where the leverage for a guy like Hendrickson helps, 232 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 3: because he can be like, hey, you guys are trying 233 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 3: to win a Super Bowl for Joe Burrow, right, I'm 234 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 3: your best defensive player. Let's go get this thing done. 235 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 3: And so when you see contract stories in May, June, July, 236 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,479 Speaker 3: players are supposed to be unhappy during negotiations. 237 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: That's just kind of how it works at this point. 238 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 3: So I was not surprised at all to see Trey 239 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 3: Hendrickson report to camp. He says or the reports are 240 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 3: that it's a good faith effort to jump start negotiations. 241 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 3: Smart play, don't get fined, jump start your negotiations. Ultimately 242 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 3: be a little disappointed by what they offer you. Double 243 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 3: your salary at least, and go try to win twelve 244 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 3: football games and be a double digitsack guy once again. 245 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 3: Huge time of the year in baseball right now, the 246 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 3: Dodgers are clearly the best team, but can one of 247 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 3: the teams in that next group, which is very bunched up, 248 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 3: make a big trade to close the gap? Ken Rosen 249 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 3: fallen a bit. 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Listen to over Promised with Cadino 279 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 8: and Rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever 280 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 8: you get your podcasts. 281 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 3: Back in on the Herd on Danny parkins in for 282 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 3: Colin trade deadline is tomorrow in Major League Baseball, Ken Rosenthal, 283 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 3: the terrific Fox Baseball reporter and insider, will join us 284 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 3: in just a little bit, who's in play, who's not? 285 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 3: What are the big teams going to do? Because this 286 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 3: is a fascinating year on a number of levels in baseball. 287 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 3: The Dodgers are the best team. They're the World Series champs. 288 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 3: They're the deepest organization both in overall talent and with prospects. 289 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 3: But they've they got some flaws. They're seven and thirteen 290 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 3: in their last twenty games. They got swept by the Brewers, 291 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 3: who are We'll get to them in a little bit. 292 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 3: As a Cubs guy, it's annoying how consistently good they are, 293 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 3: but like, they're clearly really good. Second best run differential 294 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 3: in baseball for the Brewers, and the Dodgers have some 295 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 3: serious bullpen problems. But if you look at the odds, 296 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 3: and I often try to base this on the gambling perspective, 297 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 3: the Dodgers are the favorite, right better than three to 298 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 3: one odds to win the World Series. It's crazy that 299 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 3: the next nine teams are bunched up between eight to 300 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: one and thirteen to one Phillies, Tigers, Mets, Yankees, Blue Jays, Astros, Cubs, Mariners, Brewers. 301 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 3: Like the fact that there are nine teams between eight 302 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 3: to one and thirteen to one to win the World 303 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 3: Series shows how truly wide open it is. And I 304 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 3: tend to agree that the National League is ahead of 305 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 3: the American League, especially because of the Dodgers at the top. 306 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 3: But no one wants to play Detroit in a playoff series. 307 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 3: The Yankees were in the World Series last year, and 308 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 3: we'll see what they do at this deadline. You know, 309 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 3: they can always add The Blue Jays are out in 310 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 3: front of the Yankees. So even though I would give 311 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 3: the lean to National League over American League, I agree 312 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 3: with that conventional wisdom. It's not like there's a cake 313 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 3: walk for a team to go through the American League either. 314 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 3: There's just there's a lot of very good teams, albeit 315 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 3: teams with flaws. The Brewers, for example, they are amazing 316 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 3: in terms of it just seems like they always get 317 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 3: it done, like runners in scoring position, late inning wins. 318 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 3: It's remarkably impressive and again, frankly kind of annoying how 319 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 3: many close wins they would have. And just like they 320 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 3: just are a great organization. Lose your GM doesn't matter, 321 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 3: Lose your manager doesn't matter, Turnover talent doesn't matter. Don't 322 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 3: pay guys and trade them at the end and when 323 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 3: you're in contingent windows like hater doesn't matter. It's very 324 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 3: impressive what they're able to do, but they don't hit 325 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 3: the ball out of the park. Twenty fourth in home runs, 326 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 3: twenty eighth in extra base hit, so that's like an 327 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 3: obvious place where the Brewers can try to add at 328 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 3: the deadline. The Cubs, who've lost back to back games 329 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:33,479 Speaker 3: to the Brewers, are an awesome offense. They have speed, 330 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 3: they have power, they have versatility with lefty righty. It's 331 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 3: a really really star power in Kyle Tucker, Saya Suzuki, 332 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 3: Pete Crow Armstrong. It gets a very balanced, tough lineup 333 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 3: to navigate through, and they've had guys who have been 334 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 3: very impressive pitching Im and Aga and Boyd most notably. 335 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 3: But do you really feel good about them lining up 336 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 3: in a playoff series with their one, two three. I 337 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 3: know it's more out getters and bullpen games and all 338 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 3: of that, but ever since the Justin Steel injury, do 339 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 3: you feel like the front end of your rotation can 340 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 3: stack up through the National League in your playoff series. 341 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 2: It's a very tough situation. 342 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 3: To navigate, and I'm fascinated ahead of this deadline, Who 343 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 3: in that group of teams behind the Dodgers is going 344 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 3: to make a big move in order to bridge that gap. 345 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 3: The man who might have the answers the terrific baseball 346 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 3: insider for a Fox, Ken Rosenthal, kind enough to join 347 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 3: us on a very busy time ahead of the deadline. Ken, 348 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 3: thank you very much for the time. You're as plugged 349 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 3: in on this as anyone. Who do you expect to 350 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 3: be the most active among the contenders in the next 351 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 3: twenty four hours? 352 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 9: Danny, First of all, I'm want to preface this by 353 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 9: saying the problem we're seeing in this deadline is. 354 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 4: That there are not enough good players available. 355 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 9: Now. When you ask me who I expect to be 356 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 9: the most active, Chicago Cubs would be at the top 357 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 9: of the list, along with the Philadelphia Phillies. Other teams 358 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 9: will be active as we well, but those two, in particular, 359 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,479 Speaker 9: the Phillies with their bullpen, the Cubs with their rotation, 360 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 9: possibly third base. They are, as you mentioned, powerful teams 361 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 9: with decent enough odds to win the World Series. 362 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 4: I expect those two teams to be active. The Yankees 363 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 4: are going to continue adding bullpen help, possibly a starter, 364 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 4: but we're gonna see activity. I just don't know that 365 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 4: we're going to see the quality of player trading that 366 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 4: we are accustomed to in the past. 367 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 2: So that's interesting in terms of quality of players. Why 368 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 2: do you think it is? Why are there not as 369 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 2: many good players available? 370 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 9: It's just cycnical, Danny and which guys are at the 371 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 9: end of contracts. That kind of plays into it, as 372 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 9: well as other factors like just guys coming off injuries. 373 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 9: Sandy al Contra is coming off Tommy John surgery, He's 374 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 9: already pitched a lot of innings this year. Are teams 375 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 9: going to really be willing to meet the. 376 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 4: Marlins price for him? 377 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 9: Each case is kind of individual, so there's really not 378 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 9: one answer to your question. 379 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 4: But we're looking at a deadline where the best hitter 380 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 4: available is Ajohano Suarez. 381 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 9: Great this year, no question, all those home runs, but 382 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 9: beyond that, there isn't much offense out there. 383 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 4: There isn't much starting pitching out there. Beyond al Contra, 384 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 4: Zak Kellen, Zac, Gallen Merrill, Kelly Mitch Keller. It's not 385 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 4: a great group. There are a lot of bullpen arms 386 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 4: and that's where you're going to see a lot of 387 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 4: intense activity. 388 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 2: So you don't think McKenzie gore or like a blockbuster, 389 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 2: a thing like that is going to happen. 390 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 9: McKenzie Gore is an interesting name because he's, of course 391 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 9: the Washington Nationals all star left hander. But the Nationals 392 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 9: have just changed general managers. They've hired an interrum Mike 393 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 9: de Bartelow to replace Mike Rizzo. Are you going to 394 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 9: let an interim general manager trade McKenzie Gore? Now, McKenzie 395 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 9: Gore is at the same level of service that Juan 396 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 9: Soto was when the Nationals traded him in twenty twenty two, So. 397 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 4: From that perspective, you can justify it. 398 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,959 Speaker 9: But there's a lot going on with Nationals right now, 399 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 9: a lot in flux, and I don't know that they're 400 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 9: going to see this as the right time. 401 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 4: That's it. The qualifier to everything I'm going to say 402 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 4: is they get the right offer, They'll make the trade. 403 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 2: No doubt about it. Deadlines make deals here. 404 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 3: As you know, the Yankees are in an interesting spot 405 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 3: with the judge injury and the fact that the Blue 406 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 3: Jayson have been so impressive. How active, if at all, 407 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 3: do you expect the Yankees to attempt to be They've 408 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 3: already been. 409 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 4: Active and they've acquired Ryan McMahon today Austin Slater. 410 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 9: They're looking for bullpen help as well. Amed Rosario is 411 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 9: another player that they've added. They're going to add at 412 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 9: least one reliever, most likely multiple relievers. They probably will 413 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 9: add a starting pitcher in addition to all that. The 414 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 9: interesting part about the Yankees is that they don't want 415 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 9: to trade any of their top prospects. I don't know 416 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 9: that they see their team this year as worthy of that. 417 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 2: Kind of play. 418 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 9: And also they want to protect some of their top 419 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 9: prospects and keep them. But they're going to compete. 420 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 4: They don't see the judge. 421 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 9: Injuries particularly serious. It could be minimal time on the 422 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 9: injured list. So they're going to be quite active. 423 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 4: You're going to hear their name a lot in the 424 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 4: next two days. 425 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 2: What about the other New York team? What about the Mets? 426 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 9: Aggressive as well, and the Mets recognize that they certainly 427 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 9: need bullpen help outfield. 428 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 4: There would be a possibility center fielder, preferably. They are 429 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 4: a team that is quite interesting because they've built their. 430 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 9: Talent level now to a point where they've got three 431 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 9: young third basemen or three players who play fair. 432 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 4: Base that one of them could go in their trade. 433 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 4: There's no question about that. They've been linked to Lewis 434 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 4: Robert Jr. 435 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 9: That's one player from a position standpoint that they've clearly 436 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 9: had interesting. 437 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 4: But the bullpen is their biggest area of need and 438 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 4: maybe a starter as well, because their rotation is a 439 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 4: little bit wobbly to say the least. You've got code 440 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,719 Speaker 4: I Sengo, who has an injury history. You've got Clay Holmes, 441 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 4: who probably should be in the bullpen in the playoffs 442 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 4: because this is his first year starting. So the Mets, 443 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 4: what's going to be busy. I can see them doing 444 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 4: multiple things as well. 445 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 3: Talking to Ken Rosenthal ahead of the trade deadline, I 446 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 3: showed the odds before you came on. There's the Dodgers, 447 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 3: and then there's a group of nine teams between eight 448 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 3: to one and thirteen to one to win the World Series. 449 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 2: It's very bunched up, Ken. 450 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 3: Do you have a non Dodgers' favorite as the second 451 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 3: best team in baseball? 452 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 4: Danny. I watched that and I thought, Wow, that's way 453 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 4: too much credit to the Dodgers. They have not played 454 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 4: the level that we thought they would, and they still might. 455 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 4: Of course, it all might come together for them. They're 456 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 4: kind of in a post World Series season. 457 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 9: They've had a lot of injuries, so this malaize that 458 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 9: they seem to have been in could end very quickly. 459 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 9: But if you ask me about other teams, I would 460 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 9: say Philadelphia, I would say the Cubs, and in the 461 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 9: American League, I'm not quite as certain. 462 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 4: But if the Texas Rangers make. 463 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 9: Some moves here to fortify their bullpen, get another right 464 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 9: handed hitter their common. They've had a horrible season so 465 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 9: far for the most part, but they they much better 466 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 9: of late if they get their offense going again. They've 467 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 9: got the best pitching staff in the major leagues, so 468 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 9: I would consider them a dark horse. 469 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 3: So I love hearing you say my Cubs. I'm a 470 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 3: diehard Cubs fan. But they've just lost two to the Brewers. 471 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 3: The Brewers are in front of them in the standings. 472 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 3: The Brewers had a better record than them last year. 473 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 3: It doesn't seem to matter what the Brewers lose, they 474 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 3: continue to do it. I find it to be tremendously annoying. Frankly, 475 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 3: but how are the Brewers continuing to do this? 476 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 10: Danny? 477 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 9: It's not annoying, it's fascinating. Okay, they've got the best 478 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 9: record in the majors right now, and you're right. In 479 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 9: the offseason, they lost William Domas the free agency, they 480 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 9: traded Devin Williams, they had Brandon Woodruff coming off of surgery. 481 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 4: And yet here they are again. 482 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 9: And if you remember, going back to the first series, 483 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 9: the Torpedo bats and the Yankees crushed them, and they 484 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 9: had all these. 485 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 4: Pitching injuries at the time. 486 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 9: Well, they acquired Quinn Priester, they signed Jose Cantana, and 487 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 9: suddenly they have something of a pitching surplus, a starting 488 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 9: pitching surplus. 489 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 2: Now. 490 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 9: I don't know that they're going to leverage that at 491 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 9: the deadline, but they should, and I believe you mentioned 492 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 9: this earlier. 493 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 4: They need power Atohango. 494 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 9: Suarez would be perfect for them, but it's not the 495 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 9: kind of move that they normally make. They putter along, 496 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 9: they do things on the margins, and they keep going 497 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 9: and keep winning. 498 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 3: So the average, you said, or not as many good 499 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 3: players available right now, But we were looking it up 500 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 3: final two days of the deadline last four years, on average, 501 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 3: thirty six trades made. 502 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 2: Would you expect this to them? Just not as many. 503 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 2: We're not going to see as many moves. 504 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 4: That's a good question. I would expect not as many. 505 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 4: Now I could be proven wrong with that. 506 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 9: But part of the problem here, from what I can see, 507 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 9: is that some of the sellers Cleveland in particular, Pittsburgh 508 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 9: as well Minnesota, to some degree, these teams have reputations 509 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 9: as not being that easy to deal with. 510 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 4: Now that's coming from the buyers, and you ask those. 511 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 9: Teams, they would say, hey, we're just setting our prices 512 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 9: and we're not moving off them. We're staying disciplined. That's 513 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 9: how we have to run our clubs. Of course, it 514 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 9: just depends on your perspective. But that element of it 515 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 9: kind of leads me to believe that we may see 516 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 9: less that some of those Twins relievers might not move 517 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 9: that The Guardians, though they have every reason to do 518 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 9: some things now with the two guys on nondisciplinary paid 519 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 9: lead for gambling or the investigation of gambling, they are 520 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 9: not going to add. Obviously they could do some things, 521 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 9: but I'll believe it when I see it. 522 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 4: In all those cases. 523 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 3: What about the Tigers, who comfortably have the biggest division 524 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 3: lead of any of the division leaders in baseball? 525 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 2: Rich going to get richer there? 526 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 9: They added Chris Paddock the other day. He's starting today, 527 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 9: and they still need bullpen help. Their strikeout rate in 528 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 9: the bullpen is not nearly where it should be. They 529 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 9: need a high leverage, big time guy maybe. 530 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 4: Two in that pen to kind of get them to 531 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 4: a place where they need to be. 532 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,719 Speaker 9: And it's a shame they just lost results in one 533 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 9: of the better starters they did replace them with Paddock, 534 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 9: But they're a little bit more fragile than they've looked 535 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 9: in the last month or so. 536 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 4: They haven't played as well. They're starting to come back 537 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 4: now to what they were. I expect them to be busy, 538 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 4: but we'll see how aggressive, because this is a team 539 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 4: that does not like to trade its top prospects. 540 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 3: How have you seen, if at all, the fact that 541 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 3: there are more teams that make the playoffs, Like teams 542 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 3: can convince themselves well, I can just I can make 543 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 3: the wild card, I can get hot at the end. 544 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 2: Have you seen that kind of push the action closer 545 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 2: to the deadline? 546 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 4: No question. 547 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 9: And there are teams even now that are not quite 548 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 9: sure what they're going to do. Tampa Bay falls into 549 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 9: that category. San Francisco we're not exactly sure where they're 550 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 9: going with this. 551 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 4: They've played poorly of late. Los Angeles Angels always unpredictable, 552 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,239 Speaker 4: So yes, the expanded playoffs has given people with these 553 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 4: teams the thought that, you know what, if we just 554 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 4: hang around, maybe we can get in like the Tigers 555 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 4: did last year. Obviously it's not going to go that 556 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 4: way for every one of. 557 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 9: These teams, but it is harder to concede when you've 558 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 9: got some percentage chance of making the playoffs. 559 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 3: All right, last one prediction time. The biggest name that 560 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 3: we'll move between now and the deadline is who. 561 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 4: Aohano Swarez. He is the Diamondbacks third baseman. 562 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 9: He is a guy that obviously has had an amazing 563 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 9: season so far, has been an All Star. I don't 564 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 9: know that Mackenzie Gore or Joe Ryan or even Sandel 565 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 9: Contrada is going to move. 566 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 4: So I'll go with Suarez. 567 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 3: Ken Rosenthal terrific, Fox MLB Insider, thank you so much 568 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 3: for making time ahead of the deadline. 569 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 2: Ken, thank you very much. Thanks Danny, that's Ken Rosenthal. 570 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 3: It's fascinating because that grouping of teams like the Mets, 571 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 3: the Cubs, someone step up and maybe overpay the market. 572 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 3: It feels like a trip to the World Series is 573 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 3: right there for you with the vulnerabilities and the flaws. 574 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 3: Frankly of all those teams that are bunched together at 575 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 3: the top. So the deadline coming up tomorrow afternoon, of 576 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 3: course we'll be all over it. But coming up next 577 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 3: Cowboys executives, they're saying things and it's leading to eye rolls. 578 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 2: Do they have a contract problem on their hands? Danny 579 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 2: parkins In for Colin. This is the Herd. 580 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 6: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 581 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 6: and noone Easter, not a Empacific. We roll on on the. 582 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 2: Herd on Danny parkins In for Colin at the top 583 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 2: of the hour. Why do a top five for a 584 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 2: top ten, a favorite over under when you can do 585 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 2: all thirty two? 586 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 3: It's gambling season in the NFL, because it's always gambling 587 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 3: season in the NFL, And when Cowboys executives speak, it's 588 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 3: apparently silly season. 589 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 2: I love this organization. They're the best. It's so fun. 590 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 3: It's thirty years since the Super Bowl, thirty one teams 591 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,719 Speaker 3: and one television production. Everyone has an opinion, love him 592 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 3: or hate them. They have star players, they have legitimate 593 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 3: hype and expectation because it's not like they're not bad. 594 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 3: We sometimes talk about them like they're a terrible organization. 595 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 2: They aren't. 596 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 3: They've drafted and developed more Pro Bowlers than any team 597 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 3: in the last decade other than the Ravens. Michah Parsons 598 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 3: is elite, Ceede Lamb is elite. Dak Prescott highest paid quarterback, 599 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 3: was second in the MVP a couple of years ago. 600 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 3: But Stephen Jones went on the radio in Dallas and 601 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 3: he pushed back against. 602 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 2: A very common media narrative. 603 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 3: I have a theory that maybe you guys drag out 604 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 3: the deals to get engagement from the media, and it's 605 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 3: like the best two million bucks you can spend having 606 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 3: to give Dak a few more. 607 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 2: Well, let's just start off, we don't agree on that 608 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 2: we don't drag deals. 609 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 10: That we do deals when there's an opportunity to do 610 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 10: a deal, And certainly no one knows what goes on 611 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 10: in eternally with a particular negotiation. But you know, sometimes 612 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 10: agents and players aren't ready to pull the trigger till 613 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 10: they see other cards play. 614 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 3: So this is one of those weird times where I'm 615 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 3: going to try to operate in the area of gray. 616 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 2: Multiple things can be true. 617 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 3: I think the Cowboys drag out deals and it costs 618 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 3: them some millions of dollars on the margins. I also 619 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 3: think we overstate how big of a deal that is, 620 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 3: and he is correct. Steven Jones is correct that we 621 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 3: do not know what these players are doing, and sometimes 622 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 3: the best players of their position, who really do not 623 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 3: have any risk of getting paid, are very interested in 624 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 3: waiting things out. Dak Prescott had a no tag clause 625 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 3: and no trade clause. 626 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 2: We haven't seen a player have that kind of leverage 627 00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 2: since Tom Brady. 628 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 3: It is super rare. Hey, I'm second for MVP. We 629 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 3: led the league in scoring. I could walk, you'd get me, 630 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 3: You'd get nothing for me. Now they did that after 631 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 3: that four year, one hundred and sixty million dollar deal. 632 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 3: Was smart by Dak's agent to put the no tag, 633 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 3: no trade clothes in. But Dak, of course, he's like, 634 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 3: I want to it to get paid before me. I 635 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 3: want Jordan Love to get paid before me because I 636 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 3: want to set the bar higher, and I've got the 637 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 3: Cowboys over a barrel. 638 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 2: Ceedee lamb. 639 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 3: He didn't have the no tag, no trade clause, but 640 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 3: the guy who was the only part of the Cowboys 641 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 3: offense got one hundred and eighty targets, superstar player. He 642 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 3: wanted to see what Justin Jefferson was going to get. 643 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,239 Speaker 3: He didn't want to risk low balling himself and then 644 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 3: be passed over by like DeVante Smith or something. He 645 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 3: wanted to wait it out as long as possible. Micah 646 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 3: Parson says that he would have signed last year. We 647 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 3: have no idea if that is true or not, And 648 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 3: we have no idea if Micah Parsons would have accepted 649 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 3: Nick Bosa's at the time record setting deal for an 650 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 3: ed rusher. Seems like he would have reasonably, but we 651 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 3: don't really know whether he would have or would not have. 652 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 2: But the Cowboys, I do think. 653 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 3: Whether they would call it dragging it out or not 654 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 3: because of the access that we get to Jerry Jones, 655 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 3: to Stephen Jones. Like that clip that we just played 656 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 3: you was from local radio in Dallas. Jerry Jones goes 657 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 3: on local radio in Dallas weekly. During the season, he 658 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 3: did a press conference with Cowboys cheerleaders behind him. He 659 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 3: talked about Micah Parsons at the beginning of training camp 660 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 3: and took a shot at Dak Prescott. We don't hear 661 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 3: from Howie Roseman like that. We don't hear from Brett 662 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 3: Viach like that in Kansas City. We don't hear like 663 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 3: from Ryan Poles like that in Chicago, or John Schneider 664 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 3: like that in Seattle. We do not hear from these 665 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 3: people with the same degree of frequency that we hear 666 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 3: from them in Dallas. And I think that is what 667 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 3: directly leads to what that radio host was talking about. 668 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 2: Like, you guys, eat this up. 669 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 3: Whether you call it dragging it out or not, you 670 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 3: absolutely play the media. 671 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,720 Speaker 2: To get into the news cycle. 672 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 3: Because, as I pointed out earlier in the week, I 673 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 3: think Jerry Jones gave away the game in the Netflix 674 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 3: stock in the trailer it's a soap opera three hundred 675 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 3: and sixty five days a year his words. So I 676 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 3: actually think the Cowboys have a little bit of a 677 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 3: leg to stand on on the not dragging out deals thing. 678 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 2: We don't know what the players are doing in those negotiations. 679 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 3: And the best players with the most leverage do tend 680 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 3: to want to wait till the final moment in this 681 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 3: era of the NFL, because they already are financially secure. 682 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 3: They make a ton of money from endorsements. They make 683 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 3: a ton of money from media deals. Dak Prescott had 684 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 3: already been paid that they are willing to be last 685 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 3: because the last guy to sign gets the most money. 686 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 3: So I actually think they have a leg to stand 687 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 3: on with that. But they have no leg to stand 688 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 3: on on. But we're not really perpetuating this narrative and 689 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 3: we don't talk. 690 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 2: About Yeah you do. 691 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 3: You drag it out as much as anybody, and you 692 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 3: just say funny things. Brian Schottenheimer's already exceeding expectations. You 693 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 3: haven't played a preseason game yet. How's the exceeding expectations? 694 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 3: He rearranged the lockers in the locker room, people are 695 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 3: like sitting next to different people. 696 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 2: He hasn't done anything yet. 697 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 3: So that with all of that access, with these weird personalities, 698 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 3: you say weird stuff, and that's what gets the narrative going, 699 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 3: That's what gets the news cycle going, and that's what 700 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 3: keeps you out there. 701 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 2: So I'm here for it. Keep talking because I actually 702 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 2: legitimately do find them fascinating. 703 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 3: I know a lot of people like I've got Cowboys fatigue. 704 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 3: I don't know They're won twelve games three years in 705 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 3: a row, fired Mike McCarthy and hired a guy who 706 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 3: was already on the staff with the highest paid quarterback 707 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 3: in the NFL, a top five defensive player in the NFL, 708 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 3: and a top five receiver in the NFL. They are 709 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 3: objectively interesting. Keep talking, Jones family, I absolutely love it. 710 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 3: I want to talk now, though, about a guy who 711 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 3: I wish was a cowboy, because as much hype as 712 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 3: Travis Hunter is getting, I actually do not think it 713 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 3: is nearly enough for what he is trying to do 714 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 3: and what I believe he is about to accomplish. We 715 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 3: know that Travis Hunter is special, but for some reason, 716 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 3: people keep asking the same question about Travis Hunter? 717 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 2: Can you play both sides? Is it possible to do 718 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 2: this in the NFL? 719 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 3: Doesn't matter what the Jaguars say, doesn't matter how they 720 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 3: drafted him, doesn't matter how they're working him out at practice. 721 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 3: He every time he speaks, he keeps being asked these questions. 722 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 3: And here's the latest on how Travis Hunter responded to it. 723 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 11: I need to be able to progress everything fast quick. 724 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 11: If the offense change on on defense when I'm on 725 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 11: defensive five, the offense change the strength, I gotta know 726 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 11: what I'm doing right away, and as the offensive we 727 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 11: change the play. I gotta know what I'm doing right away, 728 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,840 Speaker 11: So I like that we starting off slow, get me adjusted, 729 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 11: make sure I know where I need to be on 730 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 11: one side of the ball each day, and then they 731 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 11: all come together. 732 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 3: He says that the people that doubt that he can 733 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 3: do this, the haters, make him smile. I just want 734 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 3: to be very clear and on the record, Travis, I 735 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,359 Speaker 3: do not doubt that you can do this. I am 736 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 3: firmly in your camp, and I don't think it is 737 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 3: as crazy as many people are making it out to be. 738 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 3: And I understand that someone who looks like me, questioning 739 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 3: the analysis of the former NFL players who say this 740 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 3: is impossible feels a little ridiculous. 741 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 2: But I think a place that. 742 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 3: Media, common people and even ex athletes are way behind 743 00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 3: on is how incredible the modern athlete it is, and 744 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:06,279 Speaker 3: how incredible sports sciences we've seen great athletes before. Right 745 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 3: Bo Jackson historically great athlete. Deion Sanders historically great athlete, 746 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 3: best cornerback in the NFL, played receiver. His best year 747 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 3: as a receiver is the thirty six catches. It was 748 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 3: the year he took off from baseball We've seen guys 749 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:23,280 Speaker 3: try to play both ways before, but nowadays, sports science, 750 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 3: sleep science, nutritionists, massage, therapy, everything that these guys can do, 751 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 3: it's different. It used to be, hey, you're a running back. 752 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 3: Once you hit twenty seven, you fall off the clip. 753 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 3: Now we've got Derrick Henry at thirty approaching eighteen hundred 754 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 3: yard seasons. It's just a different era. These guys are better. 755 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,879 Speaker 3: Lebron is playing twenty two years in the NBA. Tom 756 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,280 Speaker 3: Brady is winning MVPs and Super Bowl MVPs into his forties. 757 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is still playing. Athletes have just gotten better. 758 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 3: So why can't Travis Hunter be a great defensive player 759 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 3: and a great offensive player in the NFL When in 760 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,839 Speaker 3: college he was a great defensive player and great offensive player. 761 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 3: He won the Bulletannikoff Award and the Bitneric Award, He 762 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 3: won the award for the best receiver, he won an 763 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 3: award for the best defensive player in college. 764 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 2: And this is one of my favorite stats because I 765 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 2: feel like this is going to fall this year. 766 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 3: This record most snaps played by a single player in 767 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 3: a season. It's not a household name, but Malcolm Jenkins 768 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 3: in twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen was over thirteen hundred 769 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,760 Speaker 3: and fifty snaps. He played every game as a corner 770 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 3: and then he also would play on the coverage units 771 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 3: on special teams, so it was thirteen hundred and fifty 772 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,800 Speaker 3: seven snaps. As the record for most snaps in a 773 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 3: season by an NFL player, Travis Hunter played fourteen hundred 774 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 3: and eighty three snaps in thirteen games last year in 775 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 3: thirteen games. So if Travis Hunter shatters Malcolm Jenkins's record 776 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 3: for most snaps in a season as a rookie and 777 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 3: at the rate that he did it in college, if 778 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 3: he did it in the NFL, he would break it 779 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 3: by like four hundred snaps. But let's assume that they're 780 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 3: going to slow play it a little bit. He can 781 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 3: change the sport. He can change how we think about 782 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 3: what a world class athlete in football is able to do. 783 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 3: And that to me is excited because in baseball with 784 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 3: Shoeo Tani, it's blowing all of our minds. 785 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:34,839 Speaker 2: But you've got to do it from a young age. 786 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 3: You've got to keep doing it from a young age, 787 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 3: and maybe we will see the next show Heyo Tani 788 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 3: in ten or fifteen years If Travis Hunter proves that 789 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 3: he can do this, we're going to see it much 790 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 3: quicker in the NFL. Hey, you're an awesome athlete. Can 791 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 3: you catch? Let's put you out there on both sides 792 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 3: of the ball. And I think that the possibilities and 793 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 3: the expectations of what Jacksonville is trying to do with 794 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 3: this kid is so potentially game changing in landscape shifting 795 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 3: that if he just wasn't in Jacksonville, we'd be talking 796 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,800 Speaker 3: about it way more. He's by far one of the 797 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 3: most interesting stories of this upcoming NFL season, and I 798 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 3: just want to be very clear he will. 799 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 2: Do it, and I expect him to do it coming 800 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 2: up next. 801 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 3: I went sixty five percent against the spread in the 802 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,759 Speaker 3: NFL last year, so I may as well. 803 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,479 Speaker 2: Last day in for Colin pick every NFL over under. 804 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:25,399 Speaker 2: Next the Herd