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Speaker 1: All right, it is Monday, July eighth, twenty nineteen. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the first episode of Morning Combat. My name is

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Speaker 1: Luke Thomas. I am the host of this program along

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Speaker 1: with my trustee Stephen Padawan. This is Brian Canna about Padawan.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I like to start off on an

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Speaker 2: equal plan.

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Speaker 1: You can be like Anakin Skywalker. You can be on

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Speaker 1: the Jedi Council, but you don't get the title.

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Speaker 2: And I will turn on you just like him. All right,

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Speaker 2: here we go, and.

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Speaker 1: We are in a van down by the river, if

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Speaker 1: you can judge by the set here. So we appreciate

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Speaker 1: you guys tuning in. What is Morning Combat? Well, we

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Speaker 1: are gonna be starting off your week the right way.

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Speaker 1: This is gonna be your water cooler moment. This is

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Speaker 1: gonna be two experienced media pros, albeit to Jabroni's Nevertheless,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get you guys a perspective that I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's gonna come with digestion after all the weekends fights.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna come with a little bit of media savvy

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Speaker 1: from having years have covered this. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: your first moment to start your week off the right

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Speaker 1: way talking about things in a candid, truthful way, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, a lot of people in MMA media

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Speaker 1: don't want to do. We will do that, and by

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Speaker 1: the way, now I will.

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Speaker 3: Bring truth no holds barred too, by the way, not

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about some boxing stuff as well, if you're

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Speaker 1: just if you're just joining us. I just put out

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Speaker 1: the announcement thirty and a seconds ago on Twitter. I

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Speaker 1: haven't gotten to all the details yet, so I'll just

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Speaker 1: say this very quickly. Yes, I am now with Showtime.

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Speaker 1: I'm in the Showtime family. I'm very excited about it,

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Speaker 1: a little bit nervous about it, especially since they kidnapped

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Speaker 1: us and put us in some kind of a dungeon.

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Speaker 3: And I know when I got in, I hooked the

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Speaker 3: left I think it was two to one, and Lewis

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Speaker 2: We're shooting dice. I was like, let's do this.

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Speaker 1: You know this is really I was looking for a

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Speaker 1: step up. I don't know. I don't know if I

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Speaker 1: made the right call. We're going to find out here, Brian,

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Speaker 1: but we're going to see put in. No, I'm in

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Speaker 1: all seriousness. I'm actually incredibly excited. I was looking for

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Speaker 1: the right kind of opportunity to for the next for

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Speaker 1: the next stage of my career, and I couldn't imagine

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Speaker 1: doing it at any other place other than Showtime. And

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Speaker 1: have been below the belt with Brendan Schobbs here on

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Speaker 1: his channel and so forth. Lots more stuff coming. This

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Speaker 1: is just the very first day. We're going to get

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Speaker 2: There's big news for you though. Congratulations, it is big news.

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Speaker 1: It is big news. I'm actually really excited about I've

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Speaker 1: been sitting on it for a little bit and yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people involved at Showtime. No man more

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Speaker 1: so than mister Brendan chob He has been a believer

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Also, come back from vacation, slacker. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Long life without fair. You put in five carrots and

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Speaker 1: I certainly am let's get it going here. UFC two

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Speaker 3: I mean I've been to two cards this year YEA

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Speaker 3: So what you're saying is when UFC retools that Boba

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Speaker 3: This is the equivalent of like walk off grand slam,

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Speaker 3: You know what the best thing this did. It created

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Speaker 3: the Connor culture superstar, It really did. He Jorge Mosveld doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Here's what he is. He's the new Diaz brother Well,

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Speaker 2: Believe me. He has an opportunity to pass the Diaz Brothers.

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Speaker 3: Right now because he's active, he's in contention and this

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Speaker 3: He's the realist fighter of anyone in the combat sports game.

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Speaker 2: Right now, Why don't you know why people love combat sports?

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Speaker 3: We already know that you love it because you like

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Speaker 3: There's fights, but you know what I'm saying, some extension

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Speaker 3: as proven by the three Punch Ofnesota he Leon Edwards

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Speaker 3: They're selling you violence, but really it's athletes and it's

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Speaker 1: This is the biggest star making win since Nate Diaz

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Speaker 3: This is UFC Fight Night and Boise. It's not getting

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Speaker 1: The plottform matter and great matchmaking.

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Speaker 3: The timing mattered, the fact that he's this close to

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Speaker 3: not to be a superstar, but to be combat sports

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Speaker 1: They're calling him street Jesus. The game needs people who

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Speaker 1: It was perfection. Where I would rank it, I would

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Speaker 1: Ascron is clearly I mean, he felt like a mannequin

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Speaker 1: a lla Terry Edam against Edson Morposa. Right, you're just frozen.

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Speaker 3: The only comparison I'll make to it is Manny Pacio

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Speaker 1: absolutely getting after it. Was it unsportsmanlike? And the answer is,

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Speaker 1: realities you have to face. Number One, unsportsmanlike conduct is

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Speaker 1: Star Game, I get looking at this situation, WI your

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Speaker 1: That's why you like him. You don't get to walk

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Speaker 1: He had every right to do it. I may not

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Speaker 3: I think is the most disrespectful moment in sports history.

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Speaker 3: Dunking on Patrick Ewing and like, you know, getting down

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Speaker 3: So you nailed some of the things that disrespectful. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: Talking trash online to Horay Mosvidal. Is it right?

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Speaker 2: But you know what it supports.

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Speaker 3: It supports why we a lot of us got into

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Speaker 3: it's a sport, and we can go multi billion dollar

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Speaker 3: But that's why Mosvedol is hot right now because it's

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Speaker 3: It's friggin cage fighting, Okay, that's what it is. This

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Speaker 1: I don't if every fight was like this, it'd be

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Speaker 1: Ben doesn't know the game he's playing. Of course he

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Speaker 3: If you wear a head piece of hair that looks

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Speaker 3: If UFC is smart true, If UFC is consistent with

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Speaker 3: guise of maybe we got another Condo McGregor on our hands. Yes,

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Speaker 2: We do it because it's an entertainment business. First, we

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Speaker 3: Let's stop trying to think that rankings or these fake

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Speaker 3: interim titles matter.

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Speaker 2: He's hot right now.

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Speaker 1: It's like that's the hottest, Well, he's the hottest walter

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Speaker 2: It's like that jam in middle school.

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Speaker 3: Put that single tape cassette in ABC Playground a RI show, which.

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Speaker 2: One were you?

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Speaker 1: You are old?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 3: Well I just play that song right, play your hands, man,

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Speaker 3: give this guy the chances.

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Speaker 2: A hero one lost away.

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Speaker 1: From the lustman was in Vegas for fight week. Did

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Speaker 1: Did anybody talk to him? Do we know what his

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Speaker 3: to see that Dana said after the fight, basically, we're

436
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Speaker 3: gonna have to see where he's at all, right, I

437
00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,359
Speaker 3: guess we'll have to figure I mean, there's complications there

438
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Speaker 3: because his Jorge gonna fight teamate Cooby Covington.

439
00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:17,720
Speaker 2: If coven Tent beats Lawler, youve got some issues.

440
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Speaker 1: How stupid would that be to burn that fight. I mean,

441
00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,600
Speaker 1: it's not that I'm opposed to teammates fighting, and if

442
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Speaker 1: they have to keep the division moving, I suppose that

443
00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,800
Speaker 1: you have to keep the division moving. On the other hand,

444
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Speaker 1: like you want Jorge to fight all of the guys

445
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Speaker 1: not like him, not his boys. You want Jorge to

446
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Speaker 1: go up against boy scouts or sorry, whity dudes in

447
00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,440
Speaker 1: the suburbs. It's a great clash, like that's what you want.

448
00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,600
Speaker 1: So I don't know exactly if Covington's the right. They're

449
00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,280
Speaker 1: both kind of maga dudes. Anyway, I said, that's not

450
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Speaker 1: one the health CRUs.

451
00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,880
Speaker 3: The fight game just real quick, in five seconds, we're

452
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Speaker 3: questioning has been Askern healthy enough to ever fight again?

453
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Speaker 2: And will this mentally damage him forever? I think he

454
00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,320
Speaker 2: will be, but we don't know what would.

455
00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,399
Speaker 3: Happen if he doesn't hit that five second knee. I

456
00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,400
Speaker 3: still think Ashton would have dominated him over three rounds.

457
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Speaker 2: But here we are.

458
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Speaker 1: This is the interesting part about it. When people are like,

459
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Speaker 1: they called it a lucky shot, they're wrong. However, when

460
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Speaker 1: they called a lucky shot and they're using that for

461
00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,800
Speaker 1: Shorthand to basically claim that the fight would have been

462
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Speaker 1: different had he not been vaporized by the first shot,

463
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Speaker 1: they have a point. They absolutely have a point. But

464
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Speaker 1: here's the problem. He did get vaporized. We're never going

465
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Speaker 1: to know. They're never going to make that rematch. Jorge

466
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Speaker 1: will never agree to it. It's like, it's like Connor

467
00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,920
Speaker 1: McGregor Joselda fight. How can you top that? How do

468
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,560
Speaker 1: you top the fastest knockout in UFC history? You don't.

469
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Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to the main event, John

470
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Speaker 1: Jones defeating Tiago Santos over the course of five rounds.

471
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Speaker 1: Jago Santo's becomes the first person in UFC history, with

472
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Speaker 1: John Jones to take a scorecard on the judges' scorecard.

473
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Speaker 3: Really the first person to get a decision against Jones.

474
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Speaker 3: Sense what the Albuquerque Police Department?

475
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Speaker 1: All right, well, you know you said it, not me.

476
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Speaker 1: So when he comes knocking down your door. You can

477
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Speaker 1: remember this moment here fondly.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: All right, very good. So how did you score the fight?

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Speaker 3: First of all forty seven for John Jones, three rounds

481
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Speaker 3: to two he gave.

482
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Speaker 1: Do you understand or sympathize with a scorecard for Thiago Santos?

483
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Speaker 3: I do, I do understand because I don't think everyone

484
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,760
Speaker 3: realized and some I said, what five feet away from

485
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Speaker 3: the cage, and in this game of combat sports, sometimes

486
00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,000
Speaker 3: being that close can hurt your view.

487
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 2: Sometimes it can help you. What I saw was Thiago Santos.

488
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Speaker 3: Was landing bombs John's chin, which has always been championship level.

489
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Speaker 2: Obviously he's the greatest of all.

490
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Speaker 3: Time, walk through some go home punches and kicks, So

491
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Speaker 3: if you are going to use that in your basis,

492
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Speaker 3: mixed with the fact that Jones did not finish strong,

493
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,719
Speaker 3: gave away that fifth round in some weird ways. And

494
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Speaker 3: by the way, you just scored the fifth round for Santos,

495
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:38,639
Speaker 3: because you should have.

496
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Speaker 1: I think I did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the one judge who scored it over all for Santos.

498
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Speaker 1: If you scored it for Santos, it should have been one,

499
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Speaker 1: two and five.

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Speaker 3: The one judge who scored the fight for Santos gave

501
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Speaker 3: the fifth round to Jones.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand how that's a weird math.

503
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Speaker 3: That's weird, but it's a weird fight, man, because if

504
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,400
Speaker 3: you scored the fight as a whole, and we don't

505
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 3: do that, I thought Jones won, and I'd actually echo

506
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Speaker 3: Dana and say that overall he kind of largely dominated.

507
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 3: He won the technical battles, the footwork battles, the space,

508
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 3: and he outplastered him. He showed Floyd Mayweather's type situations

509
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 3: in round four when he just kept him at distance,

510
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 3: unlimited the danger. You don't score it round by round.

511
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 3: Obviously that brings Santos back in. But what the heck's

512
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 3: up with Jones's strategy?

513
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Speaker 1: So I talked to some people. I have some sources.

514
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 1: I won't say who they are, but basically what I

515
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 1: what I ascertained was that he was looking, he was

516
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 1: takedowns were a big component, and he was not injured. Now,

517
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 1: after a while, the little I think it was the

518
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,880
Speaker 1: left leg got so beat up that whatever the game

519
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 1: plan may have been up to that point, anything after

520
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 1: that's out the window. But up to that point, why

521
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 1: wasn't the full game plan executed? Because my understanding was

522
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 1: clinch work and ground fighting was going to be a

523
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 1: huge component there because you have to think on the feet.

524
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 1: What's gi Santos's best chance got to be on the feet.

525
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 1: He's no slouch on the ground. But John Jones' takedowns

526
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 1: are phenomenal and his ground him. People don't talk about

527
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Speaker 1: John Jones's groun upon that might actually be the best

528
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 1: part of his game. Go back and look, he whips

529
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:55,120
Speaker 1: into shots, but.

530
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Speaker 2: It's not just that, it's how he sets you up

531
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Speaker 2: to that. Remember the Gustusen rematch.

532
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 3: Yes, it's kind of boring for two rounds, but he

533
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,679
Speaker 3: was systematically setting up Gustinson to break him down with

534
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,959
Speaker 3: kicks and we're down his cardio and then take him

535
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 3: down and finish it right. You gotta feel like that

536
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 3: could have happened in this fight, especially when Santo was so.

537
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 1: So what I was told was that he was he

538
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 1: felt like Tiago Santos was baiting him the whole time

539
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 1: with wide shots so that he would come through and

540
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 1: then catch him with something linear, an uppercut, a knee

541
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Speaker 1: up the middle. So in the end, what he decided

542
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 1: to do was, you know what, let me just let

543
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Speaker 1: me do the think the path of these resistance keep

544
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Speaker 1: my eyes.

545
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 2: I didn't see that, because that's what you're saying here.

546
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: Here's let me make the key consideration here, which is

547
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Speaker 1: the one I want you to weigh in on. He's

548
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Speaker 1: trying to get to that. I want to be the

549
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 1: guy who won twenty titles. Twenty worlds are twenty times

550
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 1: anyway in the world title fights, which is an enormous

551
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: goal and would be something I couldn't imagine someone doing.

552
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 3: He wants to take his status as the goat. But

553
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 3: but what.

554
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: Does it mean that the last two times he's fought,

555
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Speaker 1: he's he's faced guys who he was widely expected to

556
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Speaker 1: route and then just didn't. Is he fighting smart to

557
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: get to a goal or is there something perhaps a

558
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 1: little bit more to the story.

559
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Speaker 3: Overall, since has come back from the USADA test, he

560
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 3: is fighting smarter. He's much more efficient, And if you're

561
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 3: gonna look at it from an age standpoint, thirty one

562
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 3: still in his physical prime, but slowly that's going to

563
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 3: leak as he gets older. He's kind of setting himself

564
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 3: up for perfection. This is what Michael Jordan did in

565
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety three by adding that step back jump jot

566
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 3: from the high post. This is what Floyd Mayweather did

567
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 3: by going to more of a pot shouting style, one

568
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 3: punch out of time in his mid to late thirties.

569
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 3: He's smart, efficient. His numbers are through the roof if

570
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 3: you look at it.

571
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Speaker 2: For this fight.

572
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 3: I think, though, the fourth and fifth round of this

573
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 3: fight in particular isn't the same comparison to maybe what.

574
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 2: Happened in the Smith fight.

575
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 3: John saying ultimately that I wasn't gonna shoot in because

576
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Speaker 3: I thought I had the fight in the bag.

577
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 2: I thought there was danger there.

578
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 3: I thought he put himself into more danger by walking

579
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Speaker 3: into the strike zone of a wounded animal who's the

580
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 3: biggest puncher he's faced in a long time, and staying

581
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 3: right there. And what I saw was John was almost boredom.

582
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 3: He's almost too good for his own good. Yes that

583
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 3: he almost ultimately DJ colled of himself. I mean was like,

584
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 3: you almost played yourself. He almost gave away the title,

585
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 3: and you had a wounded, dangerous animal, and instead of

586
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 3: just finishing him, did you what he did?

587
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 2: He was playing with his food.

588
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 3: He was walking in and trying to land like a

589
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: point guard who won't make the safe pass, only wants

590
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 3: to make the spectacular assist. He I felt was trying

591
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 3: to line up the perfect knockout, and if it wasn't

592
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 3: going to get there, he was fine with letting.

593
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Speaker 2: Them go to this.

594
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Speaker 1: It reminded me of jose Aldo after the Frankie Edgar fight,

595
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 1: the first one where even the chance sung Junk, well

596
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: the chance on John when he got injured. But after

597
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 1: the first Frankie Edgar fight, jose Aldo had I thought

598
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: won the fight, but they were asking him like, did

599
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: you think this was at all close? And he was like, yeah, no,

600
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: not close at all. You're like, that fight was pretty close, dude,

601
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: and he was just sort of like non chalant about

602
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 1: actually how competitive it was in the end, and his attitude.

603
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 1: I think Josee Aldo's was, well it was it may

604
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: have been competitive. Well it's not, but it may have

605
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: been competitive only because I let it be competitive. I

606
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: got shades of that with the attitude. My other thought

607
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: is this, I don't know what the reality is about

608
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: his physical situation. You see, he has to tape that

609
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: toe that he broke and shattered against Jill Sun on

610
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: the Buddy system, which is no big deal because you

611
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: can still work a around that. But my thought is

612
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 1: at thirty one years of age, he's been fighting for

613
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: over a decade now, he's had long time off. What

614
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: I'm about to say is I am not declaring that

615
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: he is old, because I don't know that that is true.

616
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: What I do think it's worth observing is, yes, the

617
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 1: Cormier rematch, he looked like I've never seen a fighter.

618
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: I still think his gustus In fight, which was on

619
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: the second one only seven months ago, it was a masterpiece.

620
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,959
Speaker 1: It was an absolute masterpiece. So my hunch is that

621
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: the old thing, My concerns about any kind of wear

622
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: and tear, or maybe any kind of physical decline somewhat overstated.

623
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Speaker 1: We don't know the answer. Let's see how things go.

624
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: But what I do think we should do is at

625
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: least keep an eye on it. I don't think it's

626
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: a completely irrelevant concern, but I can't say it's true

627
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: at this time.

628
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,479
Speaker 3: Right this is already a dangerous enough sport where you

629
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 3: could lose everything, your title, the empire you've built on

630
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 3: one punch, on one crazy situation. Yet John and Anthony Smith

631
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 3: fight which she was dominating, could have lost the title

632
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 3: on that illegal blow. Had Smith wanted to go to

633
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 3: the DQ ending and he could have an exited Vegas

634
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 3: without his title this time around, for just what looked.

635
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: Like shoddy strategy, you're telling me.

636
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: You can I don't think his strategy was shoddy.

637
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 3: Well, it's shoddy if you have a wounded guy on

638
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 3: one leg who's falling down when he's trying to kick you,

639
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 3: and you won't.

640
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 2: Go and take.

641
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: But that's not a function of strategy. That's a function

642
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: of risk management, which you're mad at, is his risk management.

643
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: Your whole point is you could have won the fight

644
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: by assuming suddenly risk time, but not enough risk to

645
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: jeopardize losing.

646
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: But had he jabbed from the outside, you could have

647
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 2: that argument.

648
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 3: Had he done and what he did for most of

649
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 3: the fourth round, which is t kick from the outside,

650
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 3: then you'd say, look, he's playing it safe.

651
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to get hurt. It's kind of the

652
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: osp fight all over again.

653
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, the fifth round he was walking into the man's

654
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 3: strike zone and trying to land the perfect knockout, so

655
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 3: it's almost like he's inflicting more danger upon himself. There

656
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 3: was almost an arrogance level there that was like, I

657
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 3: already walked through everything he has. I got this when

658
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 3: we're watching, going just take the wounded guy down and

659
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 3: finish him.

660
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: All right, Well, a time for a debate, I guess

661
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: a little bit later, let's move to the co main event.

662
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: Amanda Nunez. Jesus Christ. She just blew right through Hollyholm.

663
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: I'd never seen seeing something like that. So first round

664
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 1: stoppage wins over Holly Holm, first round stoppage wins over

665
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: will win anyway over Ronda Rousey, and then Cyborg Justino,

666
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: and we should say, I mean, it's just a ridiculous

667
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: resume at this point. Here's what I saw, Brian. I

668
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: saw people saying there's no debate over her being the

669
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: greatest female fighter of all time. Agreed. I don't think

670
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: you can possibly make that argument anymore. Just the nature

671
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: of the wins is too it's too dominant. However, there's

672
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: a question now where she should be ranked pound for

673
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: pound relative to the men, and I have seen some

674
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: folks say she should be ranked top of the heap.

675
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 2: This is a dumb argument.

676
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: Hold on, I agree she should not be ranked top

677
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: of the heap, which is not to say that I

678
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: cannot imagine a scenario where a woman could be ranked

679
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: top pound for pound.

680
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 3: I could if you created a female Mike Tyson, something

681
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 3: we thought Rowsey was for a short season, then you

682
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 3: could have an.

683
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: Argument it's possible. Here's the problem. If you look at,

684
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: for example, Daniel Cormier, who sits atop the pound for

685
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: pound rankings, his only losses are to other top pound

686
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: for pound guys, well really one guy obviously and some

687
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 1: piagrams John Jones. Whereas if you look at Amanda Unas,

688
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: she has done a bit more of what I call

689
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: the Demetrius Johnson thing where she started off very very

690
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: good and then just got unstoppable. But she does have

691
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: stoppage losses on her career, including the Cats and Gano.

692
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: Now I would favor Amanda Nunaz over Cat Zingano.

693
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 3: Don't misunderstand me, as Zagana n she lost to conditioning.

694
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, okay, but whatever her whose hand got

695
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: raised at the end of the fight. So this is

696
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: my point. If you wanted to rank Amanda Nunez very

697
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: very highly on the pound for pound rankings, I don't

698
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: have a problem with it. What I don't want to

699
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: hear is that, well, if you're the top pound for

700
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: pound woman, Ever, surely you're better than your male contemporaries.

701
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: That it's not necessarily.

702
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: Arguments that people are combining.

703
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,479
Speaker 3: UFC is combining it unfortunately on their website when they

704
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,239
Speaker 3: do pound for pound and they care they mix men

705
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 3: and women together.

706
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: Here's the two debates we're talking about here.

707
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 3: If you're talking about more of the greatest of all time,

708
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 3: it's more based on what you accomplished. It's certainly how

709
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 3: good you were and your level of competition, but it's

710
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 3: more on what you accomplished. If you want to turn

711
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 3: this debate into what more would Amanda Nunias have to

712
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: do to be considered possibly the greatest fighter ever, even

713
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 3: above John Jones, Anderson Silva, GSP, Daniel Cormier, then we

714
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: can have that debate. Then we can have that debate

715
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 3: whether her consistent level of competition and the danger that

716
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 3: she is facing is on par with something that John

717
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 3: Jones went through, going through now two and a half

718
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 3: eras of light heavyweight and rolling through what had been

719
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 3: the deepest and most dangerous division during.

720
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: Most of that.

721
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 3: When you're doing pound for pound, though, it's different. Pump

722
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: for pound is more of in the moment, who would

723
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 3: fight who if it was possible, if it was mythically possible.

724
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what pound for pound means now it.

725
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 3: Is, it really is because you know why, because Demetrius johnsons.

726
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: A nonsensical way to describe pound for pound. It's incoherent,

727
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: it makes no sense. I'll coheritize for it. Okay, okay,

728
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: I'll take I'll shave it down. I'll take out the

729
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: razor and get rid of that salt and pepper on

730
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: the info. Right, here's what I ultimately mean. We could

731
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: never put Demetris Johnson in the cage with John Jones.

732
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: So palm for pound was created in boxing obviously when

733
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: Sugar Ray Robinson was considered the best, but you know

734
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: he can never beat you know, a heavyweight, so you're

735
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: sort of in your head creating a mythical division.

736
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: If they had the advantages they have in their division, you.

737
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 3: Put Demetris Johnson as a you know, and John Joe

738
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 3: in the same division with their same pluses and minus

739
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 3: as who would win?

740
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: This is not that's you.

741
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 3: That's sort of who you figure out who's the best

742
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 3: in the world. Right now, women and men.

743
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: Don't compete against this.

744
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: This is not what pou pound means. Pom for pound

745
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: means when you establish across the ways in which you

746
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: measure greatness, a certain set of thresholds. How many champions

747
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: did they beat? How many it has to be because

748
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: the way you're doing it is impossible. You are making

749
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: a case such that a woman could never be it.

750
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: I can imagine a case where a woman could be.

751
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: I can imagine a case where a flight weight could be.

752
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: I cannot imagine a case under your definition where someone

753
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: under those considerations could actually win and be atop the

754
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: pound for pound. It is what kind of demonstration of

755
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: greatness have you put together? Which comes from wins YouTube,

756
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: which comes from how fast you did it, which comes

757
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: from how many champs you beat, which came from how

758
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: many rounds you will?

759
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 3: It is all that, but to separate people in the end,

760
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 3: it has to ultimately be who would beat who.

761
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: You are imagining what it would be.

762
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: It's admissible.

763
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: It's a I am giving you objective standards. You measure

764
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: everyone against yours.

765
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: Nothing objective. You're a for pund debate.

766
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: It is if you have, if you have certain thresholds

767
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: for greatness that you hold everyone too. Your answer is well,

768
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: what if they both had knives and they were blindfolded?

769
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 1: Who would win? I don't fucking know who knows. It's

770
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: a nonsensical way to describe.

771
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 3: A lot of people get pomp for pound wrong. You

772
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 3: have to take into account what they've accomplished. You have

773
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: taken to about a lot of I think it's fine.

774
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: They have ultimately come down to who be too and

775
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 3: guess what. Women and men don't fight out till now,

776
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 3: so you can't have them in the same pound for

777
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 3: pound debate of who would beat who?

778
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: I understand. My only point is that's that's why that

779
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: definition no longer works. It might have worked in boxing

780
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: when guys are separated seven pounds and you can have

781
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: it sort of narrowly from one forty one up to

782
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: one sixty, and you're kind of thinking about it in

783
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: that scenario. But when you're going from one to twenty five,

784
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: dudes to two hundred and you know how big is it?

785
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: Francis and Ganu to fifty, and then you're crossing genders,

786
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: it no longer becomes a relevant way to have a

787
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: discussion about greatness. It's not possible to do. What is

788
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: possible to do is then set up objective measurements and

789
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: then see how each one grades against it.

790
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: So I still don't understand how you could argue that

791
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 3: women's fighters could be in the same pomp for pond

792
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 3: tob men when it's essentially two separate things.

793
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: So it would require under the current under the current

794
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: way in which women's MMA is populated by talent, it

795
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't be possible because they're just not populated in the

796
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: same way. I think that's not Amanda noon as his fault.

797
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: Maybe if it was, she'd still be just as dominant.

798
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: We just don't really know. I also think it's kind

799
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: of interesting that she's doing what like John Jones did

800
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 1: early in his career. He was going through and beating

801
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: like the Machietahs and the showguns and the Rampages, all

802
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: these like esteemed establishment talents. Now she's just bulldozing all

803
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: of them. It's kind of similar. Although she's much more

804
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: senior her career, he was much more junior. Nevertheless, you're right,

805
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: there's just not enough competition for us to say you

806
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: meet the same standards of greatness. But I do think

807
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: that when you just look at her, dude, she's doing

808
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: something pretty goddamn sp.

809
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: She's combining power and precision like we've never seen it.

810
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: She's getting better, she's getting better, fight over fight over

811
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: fight into her what thirties. It's remarkable to watch it, really.

812
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 3: And there's obviously no slight against her. I'm not saying

813
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: you can't. I don't know that.

814
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: Her contemporaries, they just can't hang.

815
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: It's not even that.

816
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: Can you compare men's and female male and female fighters

817
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 3: on that level in this type of criteria. I'm not saying,

818
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: go make me a sandwich. I'm saying, can you actually

819
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: compare this?

820
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: All right? You can make me a goddamn sandwich? All right?

821
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: Let's see. So we have the main event, co main event.

822
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: We talked about that feature fight. There were a couple

823
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: of other things on this card worth discussing. Namely, you

824
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: had Diego Sanchez losing to Michael Kiosa and you had

825
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: Luke Rockole losing very badly to Yan Blohovich. I'm going

826
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: to pitch this one to you first. Should they retire?

827
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: Dana White thinks, so what about you?

828
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 3: I think Dieo Sancho should retire. And we've been at

829
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 3: this point in Sanchez Diego Sanchez, We've been at this

830
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 3: point three or four times. You know the reasons why

831
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 3: he should. Yeah, he had that two fight win streak.

832
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 3: The Mickey galwin was almost like.

833
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: Even though he survived the whole way against a big

834
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: Michael Kissa.

835
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you win for survivor play boss? Every second?

836
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: I mean the ultimately leads.

837
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 3: Look your reward as an old fighter for getting a

838
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 3: win you shouldn't and the win over Mickey gall really

839
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 3: was one that in theory shouldn't is that. Oh no,

840
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 3: now you get propped up again, you get a harder test. Luckily,

841
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 3: for Diego Sanchez, he wasn't knocked out cold. It wasn't

842
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 3: in that situation. But I think it might be time

843
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: to just get out. Now we've had let's remember three

844
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: or four times before, remember has lost it? UFC two

845
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: hundred were like, Okay, I don't need to see him

846
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 3: keep getting stuffed. That's okay, it's time. It's time to go.

847
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: It might be time to go. What else is there

848
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 2: to learn if you're just gonna be fodder?

849
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: Okay? What about Luke Crockold.

850
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: That's interesting when.

851
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 3: Dana White said that it took me by surprise, and

852
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 3: when you add in the broken jaw.

853
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 2: It's interesting.

854
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 3: You did a long and fantastic breakdown on the Sister

855
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 3: Show breaking down.

856
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 1: One in combat dissected out soon.

857
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: And you did a great job breaking down the differences

858
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 3: in what Luke used to do technique wise that he's

859
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 3: not doing now. Maybe there's some laziness right there. I

860
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 3: almost look at it as separate to that. You know,

861
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 3: we everyone's got a friend in their friend group who's like,

862
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 3: great looking, dude gets all the time.

863
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: It put burden I wear all the time.

864
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 3: But he's pushing forty and he's probably not gonna get

865
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 3: married because he seems to be missing that one key

866
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: ingredient on the inside. Luke Rockold is like that as

867
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 3: a fighter, he's got everything except for that one thing.

868
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: And I don't think that one thing.

869
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: That one thing.

870
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 3: I don't think that one thing is chin I don't

871
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 3: necessarily even think that one thing is well.

872
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 2: He doesn't put his hands up enough.

873
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: I think the one thing and why your whole demonstration

874
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 3: of how his technique has sort of devolved over time

875
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 3: is that intersection between arrogance and ignorance. It's a gray

876
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: area that could looks like the same street corner and

877
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 3: nobody has more arrogance than Luke Rockold. Did you ever

878
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 3: see him on a Millionaire Matchmaker? By the way, that

879
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: episode he was.

880
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: No, although this is a true story. After it was over,

881
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: my dms got flooded from women who thought it were me,

882
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, honey, you made a bad

883
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: you made a bad mistake and think of that was me. Well,

884
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: go ahead.

885
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: I almost again have to make this dating comparison. He's

886
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 3: on that reality show Millionaire Matchmaker about four or five

887
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 3: years ago, and he was a dick to the girls

888
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: and he got absolutely destroyed by Patty the host, and

889
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 3: she's just like, you don't respect women, you respect.

890
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: Anything, Get the f out of my office.

891
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's sort of a mirror image of who he's

892
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 3: become as a fighter. There's no respect for his opponent.

893
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 3: There's now no respect for the old techniques he used

894
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 3: to do.

895
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: To set himself up to win.

896
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 3: It's sort of like, I'm Luke rock Hold, man, I'm

897
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 3: the former champion in two divisions, I'm real good looking,

898
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 3: I'm a male model. I'll figure it out in there

899
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 3: because I'm Luke rock Hold, And I think there's this

900
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 3: strong level of arrogance that there's just one wire missing

901
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: that's prevented him from really fulfilling his legacy. And I

902
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 3: made a joke to him when I interviewed him this week.

903
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 3: I said, look, Bisping's going to the Hall of Famer.

904
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 3: You're going to go up to him and kind of

905
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 3: give one final dig and go you're only going in

906
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: to me.

907
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: And he sort of left. He goes biggest ping. Nos,

908
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 2: he got lucky and Luke go into your head.

909
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 3: Not that I would put that there, but Bisping's not

910
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer without that rock Cold win.

911
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: And you know this, it's true, man.

912
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 1: But it's not Lucky. You watch the first fight. I

913
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: get it.

914
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 3: But it's rock Hold's arrogance that gave him that win.

915
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 3: It's rock Hold's arrogance that has kept him away from

916
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 3: fulfilling And it may be rock Hold's arrogance that now,

917
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 3: if you're just going to be cannon fodder for the

918
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 3: elite guys in a higher division with more firepower coming

919
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 3: out at you, unless you are going to fix that rewiring,

920
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 3: unless you are.

921
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: Going to get humble.

922
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 3: He has had some humble, devastating knockout losses, and he's

923
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 3: not humble in the face offs. He's not humble in

924
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 3: the interviews. He's not humble inside the cave. He's that

925
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 3: dude who's never going to settle down and commit.

926
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: Let's go Sanchez first. Sanchez has taken He's either number

927
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: one or number two according to fight metrics in significant

928
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: strikes absorbed to the head in UFC history. For him

929
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: to be in that predicament where yes, I realized that

930
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: his grappling prowess is so ingrained at this point it's

931
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: going to be hard to pass his guard and get

932
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: neon belly and mount and then take his back and

933
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: choke him out in a kind of progressive, sustained way.

934
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: He has very very good defense. In some ways, the

935
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: Kiosa fight was not the worst choice the UFC could

936
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: have made, because Kis is not going to go out

937
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: there in Alli A quint to him in the same

938
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: kind of way, although Kiosa did certainly put him through

939
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: the woodship for a little bit.

940
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: In his own makondo, you never know that, you know what.

941
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: There are benefits to have a relationship with Ali Quinta.

942
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: But the point being is this we're talking about a

943
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: guy who has I'm not making this up. I'm not exaggerating.

944
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: This is not hyperbole, historic levels of damage, historic, and

945
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: he goes into this fight. He's a senior fighter. He

946
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: knows how to fight, he knows how to prepare on

947
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: fight week, he knows everything. And he goes in there

948
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: with a guy one cornerman who to call him manifestly

949
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: unqualified would be quite the movement. Edmund Tarverdian is goddamn

950
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: Greg Jackson compared to him. Okay, and also Edmund Seabasi

951
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: and good fighter. So here's the point though, the Commission,

952
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: first of all, bears some responsibility in allowing that to

953
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: go forward. Number one. I know that you have to

954
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: do it the lit a guy fight, but at some

955
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: point you got to say is enough is enough? And

956
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: then I understand the UFC. They didn't want to pull

957
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 1: the fight. Okay, I get it. I heard what Dana

958
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: had to say that you need to have a long

959
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 1: talk with him. I'm not opposed to diego or Luke continuing.

960
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: I want to talk about Luke in just a second.

961
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: But it's the same situation I see with everyone. There

962
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: needs to be an exit plan and it needs to

963
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: be known. For example, look at what Bellatore did with

964
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: Fador the retirement tour. He's on his way out the door.

965
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: We're going to make this official. The door is closing.

966
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: He's going to turn back into a pumpkin. And that's fine,

967
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: That's exactly what's supposed to happen. I think we need

968
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: to see that Bjpenn should never see a cage again

969
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 1: under the UFC's auspices. That's a little bit different, but.

970
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 2: May see a different cage, but they don't get it.

971
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: But looking, people love Diego and they love him for

972
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: the right reasons because he's a fighters fighter, he's a

973
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: fans fighter. He went to the freaking Hall of Fame

974
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 1: this weekend. But you got to do the humane thing,

975
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: and you gotta.

976
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: Say some guy's pause you and say he didn't go on.

977
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: People are saying, now he's a Hall of Famer.

978
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: He is a Hall of Famer, and now he's not.

979
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 2: His fight was was adhered to be a hall So

980
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 2: his ghost did that, dude, He did that, dude.

981
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 3: This is not even the equivalent of like, what the

982
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 3: weird part is the fight with Parisian was better by

983
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: the way. But okay, okay, maybe the fight with Gilbert

984
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: was better by the way. Doctor Gilbert he said it.

985
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 3: You know what if you're like the backup basis for

986
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 3: like the Rolling Stone.

987
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: I don't know that.

988
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, if you're Bill Wyman, you're in the hall.

989
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 3: You're a Hall of Famer. Right you played based with

990
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 3: the Rolling Stones. If you were in a fight that

991
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: was inducted to the Hall of Fame, you're not a

992
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame.

993
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: Speaking of backups, David Lee Roth was there USC two

994
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 1: thirty nine. I wonder what. Yeah, dude, he's all bald

995
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: now he was doing immediate interviews. Yeah, all right, So

996
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: here's the point. So let's talk about Luke Rockhold same thing.

997
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: I am not ready to close the door on Luke

998
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: rock hoold everyone every time someone gets a knockout, oh

999
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: he's got no chin. And I'm not here to say

1000
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: that those concerns are totally irrelevant. But as you'll see

1001
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: on Morning Combat Dissected, there's a lot more to the

1002
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: story here. Maybe it's an arrogance thing. I don't exactly

1003
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: know what the issue is. But when you looked at

1004
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: his performance, he looked he looked way bigger than he

1005
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: needed to look. He just didn't have the same He

1006
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: just didn't have the same hustle. And here's what's weird.

1007
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: Is he a bad athlete? No? Did he not train hard?

1008
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: I'm sure he trained hard. Is he with a good team, yes?

1009
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: Do they know what they're doing? Of course? So how

1010
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: can this be happening? Something is not clicking there? So

1011
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: what I would say is does he need to stop fighting?

1012
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: Everyone always says you could never tell another man to retire. Yeah,

1013
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: I'm not his mom. I can't tell him. But can

1014
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: I say whether or not I think it's a good idea.

1015
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say table that idea. Let's see what else

1016
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: he can figure out. But for him to be underperforming

1017
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: relative to not our own expectations what he used to do,

1018
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: go back and watch the first Bisping fight in Australia,

1019
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: it's like a it's like a different person. I'm just

1020
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: not ready to close.

1021
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 3: You know, a man gets to celebrity level and they

1022
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 3: can just get chicks like that, they stop having to

1023
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 3: wine and dine them.

1024
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just sort of like that. That's where he's

1025
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: at as a fighter. Bro. The comparisons make so much.

1026
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: I think he was like that before he was a

1027
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: world class fighter. I don't think he's ever had to

1028
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: hustle too hard for that. But to your point about

1029
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: like maybe just not understand is there enough humility to

1030
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: force out of him.

1031
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: The kinds of things by this you talk so much

1032
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: stress to blow.

1033
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: And Anthony Smith was having a field day going back

1034
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: to the Jorge Maslow conversation again, Dude, you talk that

1035
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: s you got to you gotta walk that plank when

1036
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: it's all said and done, when that kind of particular card.

1037
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: So so here's what I would say, Diego Sanchez, I

1038
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: think needs an exit plan. And for Luke Rockhold, let's

1039
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: see if he wants to fight one more time and

1040
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: see what it looks like there. But if he's just

1041
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: not willing to compete with the same kind of verve, right,

1042
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: it looked to me like he used to love showing

1043
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: how good he is. Now he wants everyone to just

1044
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: assume it and you need to cross that path and

1045
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: whatever that is. He needs the manufacturer that's up to

1046
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: all right.

1047
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 2: Lightning round. Do you think he should finish Gilbert Melendez?

1048
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: Say again, Gilbert Melendez, finish.

1049
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: What the he got? Should he finish his career?

1050
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:08,479
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1051
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: I would like to see him hanging up. He hasn't

1052
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: won since UFC one sixty six. He didn't look terrible.

1053
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: Here's I would say. He did not look to me

1054
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: shop worn. He just looked to me like it was

1055
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: it was it was Schwartzenegger versus the T one thousand.

1056
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,959
Speaker 1: It was just an updated model. And that's not his fault.

1057
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 1: He's thirty seven, dude. And here's the best part about

1058
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: Giberm Melendez. He's already doing what we're doing. Yeah, he's

1059
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: already doing media stuff. He's already on ESPN, he's already

1060
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: got a show with Dominic Cruz. He's got his own gym.

1061
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about him in terms of what he's

1062
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: going to do next. So no, I don't think he

1063
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: needs to keep fighting. He's a warrior. He's going to

1064
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: make his own kind of call about that. And he

1065
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: has nothing. Let dude, Gilbert Melendez is one of the

1066
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: all time great lightweights. He's one of the all time

1067
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: great lightweights. Had won titles some of the biggest rivalries,

1068
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: beat some of the biggest names. It was on some

1069
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 1: of the best winning streaks. He's got nothing left to prove.

1070
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 3: Holly Holm Dana White said she should finish. I actually

1071
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 3: don't dis agree with that, because what else are you

1072
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 3: fighting for? You're gonna be thirty eight soon.

1073
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: Yep.

1074
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 2: You can't beat the elites anymore.

1075
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 3: You're you're two and five in your last you know,

1076
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 3: seven against most largely against elites. Just got stopped for

1077
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 3: the first time, unless it's a pride or money thing.

1078
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: All right, odds and ends anything else from the combat

1079
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 1: no sel just straight No, yeah, I'm no selling odds

1080
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: and ends anything else from the straight combats from the

1081
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: combat Sports weekend worth mentioning.

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Speaker 3: Oh boxing, heavyweight boxing, that kind of get that's gonna

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Speaker 3: get you fired off as a powerlifter, right, No, but

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Speaker 3: tell them all right. Tyson Furry finally acknowledging publicly that

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Speaker 3: he has signed for a rematch with Deontay Wilder. He

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Speaker 3: threw out the date of February twenty second of early

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Speaker 3: next year, hashtag fired the heck up. I mean, are

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Speaker 3: you serious right now? I mean the heavyweight division of

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Speaker 3: sex right now. It's just fantastic.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty nice.

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Speaker 3: It feels like we're getting closer to finally the best,

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Speaker 3: all facing the best.

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Speaker 2: Yep, who's winning that one?

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Speaker 1: M I think I'm a big fan of Deontay and.

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Speaker 3: You've got to get through Luis Artie and that's going

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Speaker 3: to be a fort.

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Speaker 1: I think you will, which I think you will. Tyson

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Speaker 1: Fury is the best boxer on the planet heavyweight boxer. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: but I'm a big Deontay Wilder fan. I'm a sucker

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Speaker 1: for him, So I'm gonna say Deontay. But if you're

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Speaker 1: asking me that skill for skill, I don't think anyone

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Speaker 1: matches up with Tyson Fury. I just think that's his reality.

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Speaker 1: But no one hits the bombs like old Deonta either.

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Speaker 1: Here's my odds and end for me. On US two

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Speaker 1: thirty nine, cladink A Daily defeated Random Marcos and I

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Speaker 1: made a point and I got sort of set on

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Speaker 1: fire for it on social media because the commentators were like, oh,

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Speaker 1: she needs to make a statement, she needs to make

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Speaker 1: a statement, and I understand what they meant. They meant, hey, man, like,

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Speaker 1: someone's got to push the action here a little bit.

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Speaker 1: You want to win, you got to win decisively. Good

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Speaker 1: to get out there and do it, which she did

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Speaker 1: not do. However, here's what she did do, Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: She only won the fight. She didn't gas, and she

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Speaker 1: struck the whole time, which is something historically a little

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Speaker 1: bit unusual for her. This was the only point I

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Speaker 1: was trying to make. She did make a statement. Now

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Speaker 1: what statement did she make? She's going to go join

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Speaker 1: the ranks of Kate one and Glory and start beating

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Speaker 1: the shit out of people. No, that's not what she's

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Speaker 1: going to do. However, if what she is doing by

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Speaker 1: joining a new team Mark Henry and the super Friends here,

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Speaker 1: if by joining that she is taking the first step

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Speaker 1: towards building out and putting a little bit more infrastructure

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Speaker 1: in her game to give her some options as a

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Speaker 1: first step, what is the problem with this? There's nothing,

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Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with it. If it's the only step

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Speaker 1: she makes, then it's not much of a statement. But

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Speaker 1: if it's the first step on a path, why should

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Speaker 1: we deny her that? So I'm willing to see. Let's

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Speaker 1: see how this goes.

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Speaker 3: She's trying to become a well rounded fighter. So if

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Speaker 3: you're the whole, but if you're gonna be well rounded,

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Speaker 3: don't give up on the wrestling. I know that, you know,

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Speaker 3: maybe not.

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Speaker 1: Again Goldilock syndrome. A lot of times when these people

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Speaker 1: add new skills or when they really feel like they're

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Speaker 1: working on something, they kind of abandon it. They got

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Speaker 1: to figure out hot cool me.

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Speaker 2: Though she wants a third fight with Boogey Woman. That'd

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Speaker 2: be fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure if she's really ready for

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Speaker 1: that either with the division holds. But I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's a first step. I don't know

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Speaker 1: why that was contemptible to say she had taken one.

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Speaker 1: All right, Brian, Well, soon the dungeon Master will come

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Speaker 1: and clear us out of here and we will move

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Speaker 1: on to our next job. But we want to thank

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Speaker 1: everyone for watching. This is the first one. Look, there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a lot more details added. They're gonna put

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Speaker 1: some stuff back here. They're gonna put ballgags in Brian's

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Speaker 1: mouth of true gimp style from pulp fiction. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a whole show. But so this is just the

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Speaker 1: first episode. So we really appreciate you guys watching again.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank showtime for giving me this opportunity. Brian,

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Speaker 1: You're welcome and so forth. So anything else you want

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Speaker 1: to say before we got.

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Speaker 2: In here, No, No, all right, good job, welcome back,

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Speaker 2: Little Sweaty.

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Speaker 1: A true story. He didn't get home till one am

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Speaker 1: from Vegas because he didn't plan the strip accordingly, but

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Speaker 1: thank you for making the efforts. Right now, I am

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Speaker 1: excited about this show all right, until next time, Thank

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Speaker 1: you guys so much for watching all of your games.

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Speaker 1: Be loyal.