WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 221 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:03.120 Also media. 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:05.760 Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.480 you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:12.719 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.560 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.040 listen to in a long stretch if you want. 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Is Tara Rogavier, the director of the Tenant 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:01.600 Union Federation. Tara, Welcome to the show. Thanks, So, okay, 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:04.800 let's rewind a little bit. Can you talk a bit 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:08.800 about what the specific conditions of the occupation and also 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:14.240 just sort of the preoccupation world for tenants got us 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:17.720 to a point where there is potentially the largest restrict 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:20.200 we've seen in a century being organized right now. 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:22.280 Yeah, absolutely so. 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:24.120 First of all, thank you so much for having me 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:28.040 and I am boarding live from the Twin Cities, where 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:32.119 we've been in a really intense organizing drive now for 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:34.440 many weeks. And of course the people of the Twin 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:38.160 Cities have very ferociously fought back against this federal occupation 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:41.720 for nearly three months. But I appreciate your question because 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.720 I think actually to take us back a little bit 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:49.080 is critical to understand the circumstances we find ourselves in now. 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:51.960 So the first and most basic thing to say is 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:56.160 the rent is too damn high. Yep, pop looking not 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.400 afford the rent in any corner of the country. You know, 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:02.000 it's been true for many years now that a person 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:05.840 earning minimum wage cannot afford a two bedroom apartment in 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:10.520 any American county, whether that's urban, suburban, or rural. And 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:13.440 as our rents go up, the conditions of our homes 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:16.760 get worse. So what we have taken as saying these 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.040 days is that we're paying higher rents than we've ever 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:22.280 paid for the worst conditions we've ever endured. 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:23.520 And I know you know that. 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.880 As a tenant and as a former tenant organizer, your goal, 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:29.359 but so many of our people are living this reality 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:32.960 every day. And you know I organize. I'm based in 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.360 Missouri and I helped to found and organize with Casey Tenants, 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:40.880 and increasingly we're organizing tenants in places like Raytown, Missouri, 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:44.400 on the outskirts of Kansas City, and the stakes are 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:47.040 so high, and I really want to make sure listeners 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.440 are aware of this. All of us are aware of it, 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:51.639 But just to put a fine point on it, when 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:54.040 you get priced out of a place like Chicago, you 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.600 might end up in a place like Kansas City. When 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:58.800 you get priced out of Kansas City, you might end 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.320 up in a place like Raytown, Missouri. When you get 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.160 priced out of Retown, Missouri, there is no place else 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:07.919 to go, and you're just stuck renting from the landlords 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:11.400 of last resort, the people who are very keen to 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:15.040 exactly how desperate the tenant condition is today, and then 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.360 they exploit that by keeping us living in filth and 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.440 hiking the rents at every turn. So that's some of 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:25.640 the context that brings us into this moment, and that 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:30.840 will be the context underlying every crisis following this one. 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:34.200 And I think that's a really important thing to note, 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.360 because the story I'm about to tell you about what's 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:39.200 going on here is then also a story of possibility 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.520 about what might go on in every crisis that we 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:46.440 encounter from this point on. So we started organizing a 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.440 tenant union at Twin Cities Wide tenant Union at the 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:52.160 end of January, and the reason for that is that 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.720 the tenants of the Twin Cities had essentially been organizing 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.960 unions for the two months preceding that as a way 0:03:58.960 --> 0:03:59.680 of fighting ice. 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.960 Every building has a group chat right now. 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:09.120 Every building has someone distributing whistles and zines so that 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.840 people get information about how to spot ice, what to do, 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:15.200 advice is there. People are organizing mutual aid to take 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.560 care of their neighbors. That is essentially the work of 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:18.320 a tenant union. 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:18.680 Yep. 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:21.279 So all we've done in the last couple of weeks 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.240 is add some kind of structure and formality to the 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:28.920 way that tenants have already gotten organized under this federal occupation. 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:33.000 Could I ask a quick question here about how how 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:36.280 the sort of citywide federation came together. Yeah, because there's 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:40.520 something I've seen attempted before, but it is pretty difficult. 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:44.760 Yeah, it's a great question, and I think this won't 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:47.760 surprise you that in a moment of crisis, Yeah, it's 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:54.000 actually easier than in other circumstances, unfortunately, to get people organized. 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:58.039 So a process that might have otherwise taken months to 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:02.280 sort of align all the various entities organizing tenants in 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.000 the Twin Cities took a matter of four and a 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:05.640 half days. 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:09.679 It's astonishing. Yeah, it's the best I've ever seen anything 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:10.280 like this mid. 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.520 Right, And that's not to say it was easy, right, 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:17.599 it took a lot, and you know, it took a 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.040 lot from us as the Tenant Union Federation, but more 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.880 to the point, it took a lot from tenants here 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:26.599 who have been organizing in their own formations for many 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:30.760 months preceding this crisis. So there's a local organization we're 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:34.400 working with called Inqualinosunidos. They've been organizing for ten years 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.520 and they've a base of mostly Latino and Somali tenants 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:40.440 all across the city. Then there's a crew that's been 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.960 organizing in South Minneapolis, the South Minneapolis Tenants Union. Then 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:46.400 there's tenants to have been organizing in Saint Paul. Then 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:49.320 there's tenants to have been organizing autonomously in their properties 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:53.000 and forming tenant associations and marching on the landlord. So 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:55.520 what we tried to do as quickly as possible was 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:59.280 kind of assemble all of these forces and really focus 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.120 ourselves on the project of building something that was bigger 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:06.280 than some of its parts, that could create the potential 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.479 for enduring power out of this moment. And the thing 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:11.440 that we said in those four and a half days 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.560 of sprint as we try to assemble this force is 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:19.680 the Tenant Union is good for protection today and power tomorrow. 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.840 So this is just an experiment, right, We actually don't 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.080 know what's going to come of this, but it's an 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:29.200 experiment that I personally feel extremely invested in because I, 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:32.840 like you, have lived through many moments of uprising and 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:37.400 activation in the last several years, and unfortunately, more often 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:43.000 than not, that uprising and that activation eventually evaporates, and 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:47.520 the Tenant Union offers one potential vehicle to hold some 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:50.720 of that activation into the future and to channel it 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:52.599 into real and enduring power. 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:57.000 Yeah, there's another aspect of this before we get into 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:59.120 what's happening right now that I was really interested in, 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:04.400 which is how did the sort of connections and organizational 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:08.279 bonds with labor unions start happening, because that's another really 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.400 cool feature of this that's pretty unique. 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:15.080 Yeah, totally unprecedented, and even I, yeah, my mind kind 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:18.840 have blown right. A sort of contextual piece that's important 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:24.040 is that the people of Minnesota are built different. There's 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:31.600 a longstanding alignment partnership relationship among organized labor and between 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:36.520 labor and community organizations here that sort of doesn't have 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:40.840 a comparison anywhere else in the country. And I might 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.880 be speaking out of turn, but I've never seen anything 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:47.239 like this. I've never seen this depth of alignment among 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:51.920 organized labor, between labor and community and so that context 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.560 is really important to understand because then I think in 0:07:55.680 --> 0:08:00.200 this moment of crisis, labor is much more open to 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.440 a call from community groups and from tenants then they 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.800 might be in other types of situations. So, you know, 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:11.640 we really leaned on the local relationship and the depth 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:15.920 of relationship between groups like Inculinosnitos and these like labor 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:20.320 tables that have existed, and you know, further important context 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:24.520 is like groups like SCIU Local twenty six, we're leading 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:29.239 the call for this general strike day on January twenty third, 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:33.160 and there was this incredible table of labor leadership that 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:36.400 came together to sort of lead that day. 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.400 Can you explain for our listeners, like, when you're talking 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:41.480 about it like a labor table, can you explain what 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:41.800 that is? 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:42.280 Yeah? 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:45.400 I mean, essentially, as far as I understand it, there's 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:49.880 just a really regular conversation that labor leaders are having 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:53.160 together and these days, I think more often than not, 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:54.360 it's not just labor. 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:54.920 It's labor. 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:58.080 And then they've pulled in partners from community groups and 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:01.360 tenant unions and some of the like resists informations as well, 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.640 And that also is remarkable. Right I'm saying this as 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:06.760 though it's just kind of like, you know, fact of 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:11.280 the matter. It's amazing that labor leadership in a context 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:15.320 like this is in touch enough that they understand who's 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:20.280 leading some of the decentralized autonomous resistance work and is 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.079 not only aware of that, but pulling them into these 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:26.320 kinds of war rooms that are now existing, and you know, 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:28.840 they're talking on an almost daily basis as far as 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:32.480 I understand it, So the ask moved pretty quickly. I 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:36.760 think we brought a vision and a strategy to some 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:41.000 of the closest labor partners, and their willingness to join 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:44.720 in on the strike drive comes from an intense clarity 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:49.599 about the stakes for their members. Any of these unions 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:54.120 include membership that cannot make the rent on March first, 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.360 and so they're not taking this lightly right, This is 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:59.840 a big risk. They're sticking their necks out. For some 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.280 that is a total moonshot. We don't know whether or 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:04.800 not we're going to be able to pull it off, 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.440 but what we know is we needed to try for 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:10.400 some additional leverage that we didn't have a couple of 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:10.920 days ago. 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:22.480 Yeah. 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:26.520 I'm astonished by effectively every part of this because and 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:28.800 every fourth thing you say is like, this is the 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:30.079 coolest thing I've ever seen. 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:32.560 But yeah, how. 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:36.920 Fast it came together is astonishing. The willingness and speed 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.880 with which labor is mobilizing is sort of is astonishing, 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:43.120 And yeah. 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:46.040 I don't know this is this is really really cool. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.360 Yeah, And I guess the next thing I wanted to 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.040 ask about outside of sort of the how did this 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:57.959 organization come together? Is what are the specific demands being made. 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:03.920 Yeah, so there's three main demands related to the strike drive. 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:07.960 One is ICE out, and a part of that that 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:11.120 I feel like you'll be interested in is ICE is in. 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:15.480 The federal government is pretending that the reason for the 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:19.760 invasion is economic. They're like, this is an economic intervention. 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.560 ICE is here to fix the economy by deporting a 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:26.320 bunch of people who are taking your jobs. Part of 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.520 what we're trying to do is highlight what is the reality, 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:33.160 which is that ICE is bad for the economy. ICE 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:37.439 has devastated the economy. We're trying to heighten that contradiction 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:41.040 between what they say they're here to do and what 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:45.000 is actually occurring. And so we will demonstrate if we 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:49.319 authorize a strike, what actual economic disruption looks like if 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:53.160 tenants exercise their economic power. So that's one thing, Ice out, 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.520 ICE fully out. There's all this talk about a drawdown now, 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.439 but there's still ICE agents here can napping people. 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:00.400 On a daily basis. 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:04.720 The second thing is a statewide eviction moratorium. And this 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.280 has been a demand for the last two and a 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:11.000 half nearly three months. The governor has not moved on it. 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.640 The state legislature has not moved on it. Eviction court 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:18.960 is running quote unquote as normal during a time where 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:22.440 there are three thousand federal agents in Minneapolis and Saint Paul. 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:26.320 So demand number two is end evictions, no evictions under 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:29.800 federal occupation and frankly not for a long time until 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:33.840 something resembling real recovery is possible. And then demand number 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.760 three is real rent relief. And the real is important 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:40.120 here because it's not enough just to get tens of 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:43.280 millions of dollars that we would then be expected to 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:45.880 apply for and turn around and give to the landlord. 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:49.120 So when we say real rent relief, we mean tens 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:52.160 of millions of dollars that come with strings attached. If 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:56.079 landlords benefit from what is effectively a bailout because of 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:59.480 how bad ice is for the economy, then they should 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:03.079 be accountab to a higher standard of tenant protections. So 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:06.720 one I saw out to eviction, moratorium three rent relief. 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:10.680 These are fairly moderate demands, and they remind me a 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:14.800 lot of a series of both demands and also just 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:17.360 the way that policy works treating the initial parts of 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:20.160 the pandemic, where there was there were a lot of 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:22.080 in a lot of cases there actually were like eviction 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:28.040 moratoriums that you were never enforced as strictly as the 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:31.600 letter of what they said, but was a thing that 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:35.320 was implemented in conditions where suddenly people just literally couldn't 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.000 work because massive external force. 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:39.200 Totally. 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:41.920 Yeah, a lot of what we're working with right now 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:46.120 is groundwork that was laid during the COVID nineteen eviction 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:49.040 crisis or the early years of it. Right the bill 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.520 that we introduced in the state legislature this week is 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:55.560 literally modeled after the Rent and Mortgage Cancelation Act that 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.160 we wrote back in twenty twenty to try to get 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.080 rents and mortgage is canceled when people couldn't go to 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.079 work and couldn't leave the house because of the pandemic. 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:07.520 And I think that's actually an important thing again to 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:12.520 keep in mind, because crises like this will continue happening 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:19.040 under today's conditions. Right We're hurtling towards deep and encompassing authoritarianism, 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:23.560 there's escalating climate catastrophe. We're going to be in this 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:28.960 situation much more frequently and at higher degrees of stress 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:32.320 pretty much for the rest of our lives. So it's 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:36.400 good actually for us to start learning from the work 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.000 that we did five years ago and applying it here 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:42.640 to borrow and steal from our past selves to build 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:44.840 from something rather than start from scratch. 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.200 I wish we didn't live under these types. 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:51.680 Of cascading cris but that's the situation we're in. And 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.520 I've been feeling so often in the last month that 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:57.160 the only touch point in my life I have to 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:59.960 this moment is the early months of the pandemic. 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:05.160 Yeah, and I think that gets at the depth and 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:09.200 seriousness of the crisis in a way that I feel 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.239 like is not understood. 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:11.920 Yeah. 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:13.160 Outside of Minneapolis. 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:16.040 I mean, I think, you know, like my connections, I'm 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.840 from Chicago, my connections in Chicago, there was a lot 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:21.320 of that experience. But even in Chicago, it was kind 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:24.560 of there were places that were like that, and then 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:28.600 you could go like three neighborhoods over and everything was 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.400 sort of operating normally for the most part until the 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:35.280 next sort of raids came, and that I feel like, 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.240 I don't know, it seems to be from listening to 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.400 you talk about this, that that's been the catalyzing force 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:44.480 for all of us, that it is just constant crisis everywhere. 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:48.080 Yeah, and I think you're right that people outside of 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.800 the Twin Cities maybe don't understand the depths of the devastation. 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:55.000 But just to put a fine point on it, conservative 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:59.160 estimates show over forty seven million dollars and lost wages 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:01.560 among people who have not been safe to go. 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:04.280 To work in the last three months. Forty seven million 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:05.520 dollars in lost wages. 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:09.520 I just had a conversation with a dad yesterday whose 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:12.920 kids go to a school where there are eighty families 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:15.400 where the parents have not been safe to go to work. 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.000 They haven't been safe to take their own children to school, 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:20.480 and so the other parents in the school have been 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.280 organizing support around them for the last two months, and 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:25.840 they just did a round of calls through all those 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:27.280 families this week. 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:29.280 None of them can make March rent. 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:34.440 So even if we're living under a supposed draw down, 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.840 the crisis is still so alive. And I think that's 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:42.360 also why you see organized labor lining up alongside us 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:46.080 in this strip drive. They know, like Local twenty six 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:48.800 has two hundred members that cannot make the rent on 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:51.480 March first. So I think that that sort of like 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:55.840 economic side of this story is not really known felt 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:58.960 or understood outside of the Twin Cities right now, but 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:02.720 everyone here knows and feels it because they've turned their 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:06.080 lives inside out for the last three months to organize 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.879 you know, millions of dollars in mutual aid. But here's 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:12.160 the thing is, we cannot go fundme our way out 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:17.080 of this scale emergency. Yeah, it requires state intervention, and 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:18.160 that's what we're calling for. 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:20.400 I want to come back to that that forty seven 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:23.359 million number for a second, because I think when we 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:25.359 hear numbers like that, we're used to hearing them in 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:31.280 the context of you know, state agencies or multi billion 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:35.280 dollar companies, and this is not that. This is not 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:39.280 a situation where these people have billions of dollars and 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:41.720 you're losing some fraction of that. This is something where 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:45.960 every single one of those dollars matters, so acutely. It's 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:49.560 not forty seven million dollars coming from Google's forty seven 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:53.800 million dollars coming from people like you. And that is 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:57.639 a unfathomable humanitarian crisis. 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:03.680 Yeah, it's a huge crisis and one that kind of ludicrously. 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:10.480 The leaders at the state and city level have suggested 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:15.280 that everyday people should solve forty seven million dollars for 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:20.320 everyday people is enormous. You know, through extraordinary efforts, the 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.720 people of the Twin Cities have organized something in the 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:26.480 neighborhood of six million dollars in rental assistance for their 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:30.399 own neighbors, like mutual aid style forty seven million dollars 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.359 or fifty million dollars. Seventy five million dollars is nothing 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.520 for the state to figure out. Right at the city level, 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:40.520 there's you know, something to the tune of sixty million 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:44.080 dollar pot that's funded through sales taxes that goes into 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:47.399 the maintenance of the downtown infrastructure. They pulled some of 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:50.600 that money just this past week to support small businesses. 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:52.320 Yeah, what about the people. 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.880 Right, what about the people who have had to scrounge 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:58.280 together what they can to take care of themselves, dip 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:02.000 into their savings, put together funds to take care of 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:06.120 their neighbors. That can't continue like that forever. And it's 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.760 ludicrous that they've been asked to do that until now. 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:13.760 So the strike drive is really about making that point 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:18.880 in public that the state needs to intervene. We need solutions, 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:22.520 We need some level of commitment from the state, the governor, 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:25.919 the state legislature and from the cities in order to 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.960 protect people, to keep them in their homes for now, 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:31.080 and to make them hole in the long run. 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.440 I think the other element of this too, and something 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:47.640 that I remember dealing with joint tenant organizing, is that 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:50.919 on a very basic level, this is the most brutal 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.840 possible time that you can be evicted. It is February 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:57.040 right now, it is going to be early March, which 0:19:57.119 --> 0:20:01.320 is whether that can just kill you. And on top 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.479 of that, on sort of political level, where we're very 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:08.119 used talking about eviction as like a kind of process 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:10.640 that we're used to happening, but it's like, no, we're 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:15.480 sending a bunch of people out into whether that will 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.639 kill them, and then also just into the arms of 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:22.640 a federal occupation. And it's the only metaphors I could 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:25.000 think of is it's like, yeah, you're evicting people into 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:26.760 the hands of the Gestapo, which is one of the 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:30.800 most evil things that can even possibly be contemplated. 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:33.920 Yeah, and yet it's just what business as usual has been. 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:34.720 Yeah. 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:38.399 I mean, it's hard to even find the words to 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:42.399 describe the evil. And as you said, it's not dissimilar 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:47.560 to the first year of the COVID nineteen pandemic, before 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.560 there was a vaccine, eviction courts and states like mine 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:53.399 and Missouri were just open. Yeah, you know, the courts 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:56.280 were open in my county starting in May of twenty twenty, 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:58.720 a full year before we had a vaccine, yep, And 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:02.200 people were being evicted into the streets during a time 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:04.439 when we were told to stay home in order to 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:06.960 protect ourselves and our neighbors from a deadly virus. 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:08.560 So it's a really similar thing. 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:12.200 You know, the quote unquote business as usual of state 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:16.760 sanctioned violence, and every eviction is an act of violence. 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:20.960 The sort of normalcy in the mundanity of that violence 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:24.400 is practiced every day and in front of our eyes 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:28.440 right now. And I think that that point about mundanity 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:31.000 is important to draw out right because I think what 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:32.840 we've seen in the Twin Cities in the last three 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:39.320 months is really visible in your face state violence. As 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:41.800 the ice agents have come and pupper sprayed and beat 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:44.320 people up and of course shot and killed people as well. 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:49.040 The day to day violence of eviction is actually harder 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:54.480 to mobilize people around because it's so boring, it's so bureaucratic, 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:57.919 it's so taken for granted that the state treats us 0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:01.720 like this, that the state exist to protect property over 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:05.640 people and their lives and their needs. And that's an 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:08.920 interesting thing to think about in this moment too, where 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:10.959 there may or may not be a drawdown of the 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:14.640 federal agents, but the long standing economic impact of this 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:19.159 invasion are here, and it'll be an interesting test of 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:24.200 people's solidarity and focus and endurance to continue showing up 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:26.880 in the months after the agents. 0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:30.640 Go away, assuming they do, which is also. 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:35.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, assuming they go away, right, But you know, 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:37.080 I have faith, I have more faith than I've ever 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:39.440 had in my life that the people of the Twin 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:44.359 Cities who have so righteously fought this invasion are showing 0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:47.520 up and will continue to show up even after a 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:50.680 time when the agents are gone, assuming that happens. And 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:53.120 that's a critical test, that will be a turning point, 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:56.119 because we live in a world where this mundane violence 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:59.000 actually does happen all the time, even outside of crisis. 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:04.440 Yeah, And the ability to turn the sort of rupture 0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:08.679 in these moments of crisis into an actual change to 0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:12.000 the way that everything works, I think to some extent, 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:14.320 is the thing that we failed to do after twenty twenty, 0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:17.000 and is the thing that sort of, you know, the 0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:20.960 foreclosing of the possibilities of the uprising and of the 0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:24.560 mutual aid from the pandemic is what allowed the sort 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:27.960 of monsters that rule our world today to sort of 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:29.600 tear their way through. 0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:32.360 Yeah, exactly, So. 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:35.240 I know that you have to go very soon. Is 0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:37.480 there anything else that you want to make sure people 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:40.639 know and are there ways that people outside of the 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:42.200 Twin Cities can support y'all? 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:42.960 Yeah. 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:43.680 Absolutely. 0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:48.640 We are running phone banks now through March first to 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:51.320 increase our numbers for the strike drive. So depending on 0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:54.280 when this airs, it would be amazing for folks to 0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:57.960 join those phone banks. They can sign up at Twin 0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:00.919 Cities Tenants dot org. There's a link to sign up 0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:04.480 to join the phone banks. Tenants wherever they are should 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:08.160 get organized and should get trained by Tenant Union Federation. 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:11.400 We've got our big Union School training that's a virtual 0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:14.159 three month training coming up this summer. There will be 0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:16.680 more information to come on our socials and our website 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:19.600 in the next couple of weeks and months, and they 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:22.399 should follow along. People should follow along on social media. 0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:24.800 We're learning a lot and we're going to be sharing 0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:27.040 a lot of those lessons in public. And I think 0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:30.800 an important note to end on perhaps is that this 0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:34.879 is not a ViBe's based organizing drive. This is not 0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:39.679 social media only. You know, we're believers that words mean things, 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:42.040 and when we say we're running a strike drive, we 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:45.920 mean that shit. So we're running a really intensive organizing 0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:49.239 effort that may or may not work. You know, we 0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:53.960 are trying. We're trying something big and unprecedented, and part 0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:57.840 of that attempt and part of our seriousness is also 0:24:58.000 --> 0:25:01.720 acting with extraordinary discipline. So we will not authorize strike 0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:04.119 if we are anything less than ready to be on 0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:07.520 strike depending on the situation with our demands and whether or. 0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:08.200 Not they're met. 0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:10.960 People should stay tuned because I think in the way 0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:14.639 that this plays out, we will also be modeling some 0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:17.040 of what we're learning in real time around what it 0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:23.320 takes to exercise both vision and strategy and discipline as 0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:26.359 a collective in this kind of new territory. 0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:29.440 Yeah, and this is quite frankly one of the coolest 0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:30.760 things I've ever gotten. 0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:33.439 To cover on this show. This fucking rocks. 0:25:33.600 --> 0:25:36.560 Love it, And yeah, I hope it goes well for y'all, 0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:37.560 And I hope you fucking win. 0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:40.159 Thanks, I appreciate it. Thanks so much for having me. Miya, 0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:43.800 of course, thank you for coming on. And yeah to 0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:46.280 everyone else out there, I don't know. I was just 0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:48.920 some random college kid when I started doing this, so 0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:51.880 you too can do tenants. Organizing in YouTube can do 0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:53.840 incredible things when the BOMA calls for it. 0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:09.760 Welcome back to it could happen here a podcast where 0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:13.000 Robert Evans is slightly adjusting the levels on his microphone 0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:17.119 because I am in New Orleans traveling and with my 0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:21.159 friend and city resident and former guest of the pod. 0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:23.919 Carl Casarda. Carl, Welcome to the show. 0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:26.160 Thank you for having me, Robert. It's great to be back. 0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:27.920 I mean, we've done a few episodes in the past 0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:30.600 on different podcasts, and it's always I don't want to 0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:31.960 say a treat, but it's good to work with you 0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:34.000 because some of the topics, of course, are pretty rough. 0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:37.000 Yeah, and you and I have talked, I think primarily 0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:39.560 in our previous episodes about both like digital security and 0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:43.840 then guns, Like we've talked about people getting into shooting, 0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:47.480 We've talked about like kind of what's responsible and irresponsible 0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:50.359 when it comes to training and firearms advice. And today 0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:53.080 we're kind of starting by talking about guns in a 0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:57.879 different context, which is the fact that specifically they are 0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:01.480 often used as an excuse by a law enforcement like 0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:03.639 the fear of the fear or the reality of some 0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:05.800 in being armed as an excuse for killing them. Right, 0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:08.439 we can talk about the killing of Filando Castile in 0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:11.199 July of twenty sixteen, who was a black man who 0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:14.360 was stopped by the police and a legal license concealed 0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:17.240 carry holder and was shot during that traffic stop because 0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:20.560 the officer panicked. But the case that's right now on 0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:23.560 people's minds is the case of Alex Pretty, who was 0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:27.159 killed by border patrol earlier this year. Was wearing a 0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:30.239 gun during a confrontation, but he was just filming. They 0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:33.080 stripped him of his weapon and they shot and executed 0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:36.520 him in a case that has actually drawn criticism from 0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:40.080 gun rights organizations towards the Trump administration, which doesn't happen often. 0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:42.280 But I think the kind of point you brought up 0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:45.240 when you and I started talking about this was that 0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:47.960 what happened to Pretty, you know, not only can you 0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:50.160 go back to other cases where law enforcement have shot 0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:52.600 people legally concealed carrying, as we talked about with Castile. 0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:54.639 But this is not a thing that is the result 0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:58.560 of the escalation of the Trump administration's use of bord 0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:02.159 patrol and ice. This is a long standing behavior that 0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:06.040 border patrol agents have exercised and been exercising elsewhere for years. 0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:08.720 Like what happened to Preddy is novel because he was 0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:10.960 a white guy in the middle of Minneapolis, but it's 0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:13.720 not a novel because border patrol shot and killed somebody 0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:15.560 and then justified it by saying he had a gun. 0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:18.600 Yeah, it's border patrol, and really by that extension of 0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:21.200 all law enforcement in the US. Because there's so many examples, 0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:23.760 it's almost hard to draw out just one or two. 0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:25.720 You can go for on forever for this, but there's 0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:27.440 some real prominent ones that make a lot of sense. 0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:30.280 In fact, even here in New Orleans, right after Katrina, 0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:32.640 there were a family that were crossing a bridge trying 0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:35.960 to just recover some water and supplies, and a bunch 0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:39.320 of law enforcement officers jumped into unmarked vehicles, ran over 0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:42.479 on a bridge, jumped out, and with unauthorized guns, including Ak's, 0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:45.160 unloaded on them. And it was called the Danziger Bridge shootings. 0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:46.959 I have a video on the channel about it. And 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:49.720 this is where this gets relevant. They not only shot them, 0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:51.880 they chased them down from a moving vehicle and killed 0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:53.400 them in their back with a shotgun while he was 0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:56.280 running away. But they used the pretense of them being 0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:58.720 armed even though they were not, by dropping drop guns 0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:01.920 and calling them ham sandwiches. So again, the pretext of 0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:04.920 there were guns, therefore we're allowed to kill them is 0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:06.440 just an example of that right there. 0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:09.400 Yeah, and this is really interesting because first off, you 0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:12.360 get the gun rights people, or at least a chunk 0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:14.080 of the conservative gun rights people, who will come out 0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:16.880 whenever someone actually is carrying a gun. But the fact 0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:19.000 that this happens so much more often, where the police 0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:21.320 just kill someone and say because we thought they had 0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:24.640 a gun is also I mean, it's a human rights issue, 0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:27.320 but it is a Second Amendment issue, right You've got 0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:30.440 this weird dichotomy. We're on the right the existence of 0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:33.200 the second because it's often said that like, oh, the 0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:35.560 presence of a gun, even though you have the Second 0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:38.040 Amendment means the police can kill you. But the reality 0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:41.560 is that the existence of guns in the country means 0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:44.520 that the police have the ability to justify killing, and 0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:46.640 border patrol has the ability to just to by killing 0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:48.280 someone for no reason. 0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:50.880 Which it really brings up a really interesting question because, 0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:52.959 I mean, the Second Amendment is literally the second Amendment 0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:55.400 of the Bill of Rights, which is now right enshrined 0:29:55.520 --> 0:29:58.240 directly in the Constitution. It's the first is freedom of 0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:00.000 speech and the second one is the right to care 0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:03.440 and bare arms. And so if that is a constitutional right, 0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:05.880 even in instances where you see like Alex Pretty who 0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:09.680 is a legally licensed CCW holder still can be killed 0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:12.800 with essentially no justice being delivered for their actions, raises 0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:15.200 a very interesting question about how is a right a 0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:17.280 right when they can kill you for the presence of 0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:19.840 a gun, even when it's legally possessed and not even 0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:22.480 being used in a offensive manner, like even if it's 0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:25.120 just on you or they think there's one there, suddenly 0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:27.040 they can kill you and nothing comes of it. And 0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:28.920 that's the case with so many instances. I got a 0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:31.600 few more here if you want, Like Daniel Shaver, this 0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:33.280 is one in Masis. It's not border patrol, but it's 0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:35.880 still law enforcement. It has the precedent of the problem. 0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:38.880 Twenty sixteen, he was a Texas exterminator. He was traveling 0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:40.960 through Arizona and he was up in his hotel room 0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:42.920 and someone on the street saw him or thought they 0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:45.080 saw him messing with a firearm. Turned out it was 0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:47.280 like a pellet gun or something he used to shoot rats. 0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:49.960 But they rolled up. They called him out of his 0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:52.840 room and in a very horrific video of screaming at 0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:56.400 him and giving very inconsistent commands, along with another gun 0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:58.840 that was illegally modified or at least not authorized to 0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:00.880 be modified, where the dust on the air fifteen and 0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:03.080 said you're fucked on it. They unloaded on him while 0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:04.760 he was crawling on his hands and knees begging for 0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:06.960 his life, literally begging for his life in the video, 0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:09.520 and again really nothing came of it. In fact, the 0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:12.360 officer that shot him ended up getting back on the 0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:15.160 force just long enough to give him essentially a life 0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:17.600 pension for the trauma he received for killing the man. 0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:21.480 So the presence or the perceived presence of a firearm 0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:23.760 justified them killing him while he was crawling on his 0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:24.400 hands and knees. 0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:27.240 You know, we've talked about the warrior cop ethos and 0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:30.640 guys like Colonel Grossman who have helped to inculcate this 0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:33.440 idea in law enforcement that you are in like dire 0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:36.800 threat of immediate death every second of every day, as 0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:39.960 like the sworn law enforcement officer, and thus you have 0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:43.240 to react like this, right, Like you have to react 0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:46.000 immediately with lethal force the instant someone like reaches into 0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:48.360 a pocket or I can't tell you how many times 0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:50.760 it protests. I can remember one really clear time from 0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:53.720 twenty twenty where I was with a group of people. 0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:56.560 They were promising to arrest all of us, and I 0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:59.040 was kind of talking to the police officer basically being like, 0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:01.840 looker the mayor's most recent orders, like we are allowed 0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:03.960 to be out here. Yeah, anyway, it was a whole thing. 0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:06.600 But one of the protesters, who was just kind of 0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:09.240 standing behind me, very nervous, like reached into his pocket, 0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:10.600 I don't know what it was to get a phone, 0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:12.920 and all of the officers tend stuff, and I had 0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:16.640 to be like, don't fucking go, like keep your hands visible, man, 0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:18.800 Like we're standing in front of a bunch of and 0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:21.560 you shouldn't have to do that, right, putting your hands 0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:23.840 in your pocket shouldn't be a justification for a man 0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:26.360 pulling a gun and blowing you away with the authority 0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:28.480 of the state behind him. But the reality of the 0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:32.400 situation is that like whenever I am talking to police officers, 0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:34.600 I keep my hands in front of me and fucking visible. 0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:38.960 Yeah, it produced a situation in which regular American citizens, 0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:42.400 or we'll get into this too, the tahona Otam Reservation members, 0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:44.800 Indian members, members of the tribe. You have to be 0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:47.080 as a civilian trained how to interact with these very 0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:50.800 dangerous people who have been given a ideology of like killology. 0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:53.640 You mentioned Lieutenant Colonel Grossman, who actually never shot on 0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:56.120 anyone himself, but was one of the sea crystals of 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:59.280 this training mentality in which he espoused, don't be afraid 0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:01.640 to shooting. That's going to happen is you might get sued, 0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:03.440 but don't worry about getting sued. It just gives you 0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:05.400 a little break and some time off the force until 0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:07.719 you get it cleared. He's on video saying this stuff, 0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:12.120 and that mentality so imbued into all of the law 0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:15.280 enforcement agencies now presents a problem where the legal right 0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:18.760 of having a firearm is I'd say very questionable that 0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:20.880 it's the right when they have all authorization to kill 0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:23.320 you for the thought or presence of a gun. And 0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:26.240 it shouldn't be civilians, just regular people that have to 0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:28.360 be trained how to deal with these dangerous agents of 0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:31.240 the state, because they're the ones that are indoctrinated into 0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:34.280 this fear mindset when we're prayed to at this point 0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:36.360 because they can kill you and nothing seems to come 0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:36.560 of it. 0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:39.479 I think the thing when we were chatting about this 0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:41.840 kind of behind the scenes that you brought up that 0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:44.680 was really interesting to me to emphasize was the degree 0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:47.040 to which this is not a training problem, right, This 0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:49.560 is not a lack of training problem. You hear a 0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:51.840 lot on the kind of more moderate Democrat side of 0:33:51.880 --> 0:33:55.240 things about how we need to be retraining these agents 0:33:55.280 --> 0:33:57.320 and that like the murder of Renee Good, the murder 0:33:57.360 --> 0:33:59.080 of Alex Preddy is the result of like bad training 0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:01.680 behalf of Border Patie, and it's kind of part of 0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:04.440 this whole rogue agency thing you get with Border Patrol 0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:07.240 and ice that like because of the Trump administration and 0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:10.120 how they've flooded it with bad recruits and how they're 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:13.840 not getting properly trained. That's why things have been so deadly. 0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:16.480 And when you look at the history of how Border 0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:20.239 Patrol has worked on things like the Dahanamodo Reservation. What 0:34:20.320 --> 0:34:22.520 you see is a whole bunch of cases that sound 0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:24.640 a lot like what happened to Inna Good and alex Pretty. 0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:28.080 They're just not happening to white people in Minneapolis, right. 0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:29.040 Yeah. 0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:30.520 I think that's something that a lot of people who 0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:33.560 haven't had the experience of living near the border, because 0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:35.680 I also spend a lot of my life in Arizona 0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:39.000 near Tucson, and therefore the Tahuna Autum reservations right there, 0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:41.680 and therefore have some insight into the things that go 0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:44.080 on right there near the border. And this is not new. 0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:46.760 The thing that's new is that it's being extended across 0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:49.719 the country and now into internal spaces. But the policies 0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:51.840 and the way the Border Patrol and ice have acted 0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:55.520 is by no means a new standard. For example, not 0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:58.360 only with the firearms, but their instances at least two instances, 0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:01.400 if not more, in which there's verified video of Border 0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:05.320 Patrol agents intentionally swerving their vehicles to hit tribal members. 0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:08.040 It's on footage, not only car footage, but footage of 0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:10.920 the cell phone being struck. One instance, at Leach, they 0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:14.240 were killed another instance, they were hurt, and with that footage, 0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:16.919 even though it very clearly the car swerved to hit them, 0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:19.160 nothing came of it. So it's hard to not see 0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:21.120 that there's something going on here. I don't think this 0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:22.839 is a training thing. I don't think they're training them 0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:26.000 to run over people. But there's some cultural maliciousness that's 0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:29.520 imbued into some of this that's hard to ignore. Another 0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:31.440 example of that was in twenty twenty three there was 0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:35.520 a TO member, Raymond Mattia, that he was called for. 0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:38.800 Supposedly there was gunfire heard and so Border patrol shows 0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:41.360 up and he's in front of his house and he 0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:43.120 reached for his cell phone in his pocket, much like 0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:45.439 you just described. Again, Wow, there's a recurring theme here. 0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:49.760 And he was shot nine times, thirty eight rounds fired, killed, 0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:52.040 He had no gun on him, he was just a 0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:54.320 TOO member and therefore it didn't really make any press. 0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:59.399 Again, you see, this is a qualified immunity problem, right, 0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.440 And it go back to that, And there's been some 0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:04.799 talk of like if you're going with the reforming ice 0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:07.800 rather than the abolishing thing, which is you know, certainly 0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:10.200 something a lot of Democrats talk about. Like I've heard 0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:12.840 some discussion of like, well, maybe removing qualified immunity at 0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:16.120 least for border patrol and ice, And it's so much 0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:18.960 bigger of a problem than that, Like I certainly will 0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:23.040 I will accept any reductions in qualified immunity for law enforcement, 0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:27.800 because that's where a lot of this starts. But even 0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:30.920 without that, if these go to court, if the officer 0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:33.080 in that specific shooting had gone to court for that 0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:36.040 specific shooting, I think there's a very good, if not 0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:38.600 overwhelmingly likely chance that he would have just been able 0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:39.880 to argue us in fear of my life. 0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:40.120 Right. 0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:42.880 Everyone knows how dangerous police officers' jobs are. Of course, 0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:44.920 you know, if you reach into a bocket around them, 0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:47.960 you're signing your own death warrant. And some of my 0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:50.759 problem with this is the degree to which Americans, and 0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:53.719 maybe this is starting to shift, but things are as 0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:55.359 bad as they are because for a very long time, 0:36:55.480 --> 0:36:58.439 Americans were willing to go along with the idea that 0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:01.560 police officers lives were so dangerous and their jobs were 0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:05.880 so important that almost any violence they meet out is 0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:09.080 justified by the danger that they exist in. And I 0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:11.280 want to talk more about that with you, but first 0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:12.919 here's some ads. 0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:26.480 And we're back, Karl. I'm going to hand back to 0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:28.120 Mike to you if we're going to continue ourtist cut. 0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:30.560 Well, that's the challenge that I see with all these 0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:32.640 and these are just like again a handful of examples 0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:34.600 of which there are so many you can't even enumerate 0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:37.439 them all. I mentioned the Danziger Bridge shootings in which 0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:40.600 two men were killed, and there was really no justice 0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:43.120 came for that, although there was long trials and almost 0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:46.000 almost someone got in trouble, but not really. They all 0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:49.400 eventually got out with very little justice. Daniel Shaver was 0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:52.960 killed in Mesa. That guy got pension Borlando Castile, Nothing 0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:55.399 really came of that. Paul O Reims, the guy hit 0:37:55.400 --> 0:37:58.720 by the Border Patrol SUV, nothing came of that. Another example, 0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:01.120 while this was a protester to Guita in twenty twenty 0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:04.200 three protesting cop City was unloaded on in his tent 0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:06.640 where they said he had a firearm. Again, another similar 0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:10.800 example fourteen times and was killed in the process. Hey everybody, 0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:14.439 Carli here and an important update to the podcast. Once 0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:17.000 it was released, we quickly realized that there was a 0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:19.600 mistake embedded in it, and it really kind of lies 0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:21.960 on me. We recorded this today after Marti gram That's 0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:22.520 no excuse. 0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:24.040 We were both a little tired. 0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:26.759 But at the same time we had a conversation in 0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:31.520 which we discussed we just removed this from the podcast entirely, 0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:34.040 just snip it out, and both of us came to 0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:36.160 the same conclusion that it was too important to leave 0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:40.839 Tortugita's story in the podcast, because the reality is they're 0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:42.719 not talked about as much as they should be, and 0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:45.759 what happened to Tortegita matters very much and it should 0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:48.880 be kept in the public consciousness, especially since the bodycam 0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:53.520 footage has not been released. But in this I mistakenly 0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:57.719 used the pronoun he and him, and Robert followed suit, 0:38:57.760 --> 0:38:59.920 just because we were kind of recording together in that 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:02.680 time and space, and this was recorded very live and 0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:07.360 raw and real. But tortu Ghita, the queer indigenous activists 0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:11.200 that gave their life fighting against Cop City, went by 0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:15.840 they them. So please accept my apology and our apology 0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:18.720 for this mistake in the podcast. But again, we wanted 0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:20.480 to leave it in because it was too important and 0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:23.719 too significant to tell Torteguito's story than it was to 0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:26.239 snip it out. Due to this mistake, So hopefully you'll 0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:31.080 understand and accept this disclaimer and apology for this mistake 0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:34.440 and realized that was of course not intentional. Thank you. 0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:39.120 There was a bunch of actual bodycam footage that's never 0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:41.279 been released to the public. But at the same time, 0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:43.879 the autopsy of him showed that his hands were up 0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:45.680 in the position he was in when he got hit 0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:48.160 with those multiple fourteen rounds. But we don't even get 0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:50.640 to see the bodycam footage. And there was audio where 0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:52.719 the cops at least implied that one of the cops 0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:54.560 shot one of the other cops and that's what instigated 0:39:54.600 --> 0:39:55.000 the shooting. 0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:57.640 It's the kind of thing that, like, we don't know 0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:01.680 what happened in the shooting of Tortuguhito, right We simply 0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:03.759 don't know, in part because they haven't released a lot 0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:08.400 of the information. And right now, the burden of proof 0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:12.879 is on Tortighita in this case, or you know, people 0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:16.480 who think he was unjustly killed to prove that he 0:40:16.719 --> 0:40:19.080 didn't shoot the officer, as opposed to where I would 0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:20.800 argue the burden of proof should be, which is on 0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:23.759 the agents of the state. He shot somebody, right, like 0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:25.440 if you were going to say, this kid pulled a 0:40:25.440 --> 0:40:28.160 gun and fired on you. I want the proof, and 0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:29.879 it's on you to give me the proof. And if 0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:33.719 you the police do not prove beyond a shadow of 0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:35.359 a doubt that you were in fear for your life 0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:38.360 and being attacked when you use deadly force, my assumption 0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:39.919 is going to be that you murdered a guy. 0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:41.200 And I think that's. 0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:44.279 How everyone should feel, right, Like, that should be how 0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:47.960 we treat police violence in any society, not this the 0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:50.160 United States. I mean, if you're listening to this in 0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:52.960 the UK or Germany and you're a reasonable person, I 0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:55.319 would think that your attitude should be Yes, if a 0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:59.360 Bobby or whatever the Germans call their police kills somebody, 0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:01.880 he should have to prove that he or she should 0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:03.680 have to prove that they were an immediate fear of 0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:06.560 their life, which is not so different from anybody else, right, 0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:08.480 I can think of I can think of one police 0:41:08.480 --> 0:41:10.479 shooting that I saw a video of spreading on Twitter, 0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:12.759 where like a guy was literally like sprinting around in 0:41:12.800 --> 0:41:15.719 traffic with a gun, like pointing it at people in 0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:18.440 traffic and got shot and killed by an officer. And 0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:20.239 I was like, look, if I'd had a gun and 0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:21.399 felt like I could take the shot. 0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:22.560 I might have shot that guy. 0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:25.960 Too, because he was parjacking people at gunpoint and pointing 0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:28.480 a firearm. And they're like, yeah, that's the case in 0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:30.160 which maybe you have to shoot a guy because like 0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:33.239 he could kill someone at any second, right, And I'm 0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:35.279 not going to judge a police officer for shooting in 0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:37.759 that instance, But I wouldn't judge a civilian either. I 0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:40.440 don't have a different standard for them. If you are 0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:43.279 a cop or a civilian and somebody shoots at you, 0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:46.560 you have the right to defend yourself, right, but you 0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:48.720 also should expect to prove that they. 0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:49.759 Were trying to hurt you. 0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:52.719 This is the challenge I have with all this is, 0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:55.200 like you said, in any instance, that's a self defense shooting. 0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:57.239 And in this and in many instances, law enforcement are 0:41:57.280 --> 0:41:59.880 put in a situation where they're not necessarily even defending themselves, 0:41:59.880 --> 0:42:02.920 but defending the community or others, and therefore they have justification. 0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:04.919 I'm not to say here to say that every law 0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:08.200 enforcement shooting is not justified. Many of them are, but 0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:11.520 in the instances where there are questionable circumstances, of which 0:42:11.520 --> 0:42:14.160 many we've just enumerated here, even instances in which they 0:42:14.160 --> 0:42:16.399 have body cams on which are supposed to be would 0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:18.360 validate their actions, but they won't release it to the 0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:21.240 public to see it. It draws a very significant question 0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:23.920 of the validity of these events and what they're doing 0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:26.320 and why there I would say, no better way to 0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:28.880 say than covering something up. In fact, going back to 0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:31.240 Lieutenant Colonel Grossman, there's a video of him talking about 0:42:31.520 --> 0:42:34.240 law enforcement, which of course extends to ice and Border patrol, 0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:37.279 as the samurai of the land. And you know, that 0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:39.000 reference isn't really a good one because when you know 0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:41.120 what the samurai are, that's a disturbing statement. But in 0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:43.399 his mind, he's making this point that they have these 0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:45.640 tools that are for life and death and the right 0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:48.640 to essentially kill, and referring to them as samurai. And 0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:51.880 I think that mindset is sadly very much permeating the 0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:53.560 law enforcement agencies of this country. 0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:56.720 Yes, it's the myths of the warrior cop. 0:42:56.920 --> 0:43:01.319 And I think one of my frustrats here stems from 0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:04.040 just as someone like you, I carry a firearm regularly, 0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:05.520 and I think a lot about what would happen if 0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:07.319 I had to use it, and I think about not 0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:10.440 just the practicality of like, okay, am I trained properly 0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:11.680 to use this thing competently? 0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:12.040 You know? 0:43:12.520 --> 0:43:15.239 But what would the order of operations need to be 0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:18.160 if somebody tries to kill me and I successfully kill 0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:20.719 or injure them with a firearm, Well, I'm going to 0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:23.239 need to call the police immediately. I'm going to need 0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:26.600 to contact a lawyer immediately. I'm going to hope that 0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:30.240 there are eyewitnesses there. I'm going to hope and seek 0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:32.640 to provide as much evidence that I possibly can that 0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:34.200 I had no other choice to do what I was 0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:37.680 going to do. Right, Any civilian carrying a firearm responsibly 0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:40.799 thinks about the same things about like if I am 0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:43.000 in a shooting. First off, there's the question if I 0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:45.399 need to defend myself, But then there's immediately the question 0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:47.760 if I need to defend myself in court and police 0:43:47.800 --> 0:43:50.200 don't have that second part not really, not in a 0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:51.000 way that matters. 0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:54.040 And this, to me is why the Alex Pretty situation, 0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:57.479 which was so visibly documented by multiple cameras, is such 0:43:57.480 --> 0:44:01.200 a concern because in this instance, we see two officers 0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:03.480 unload on the guy. One guy shoots him at least 0:44:03.480 --> 0:44:05.560 once or twice, and then another guy unloads on him again, 0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:09.719 and we have multiple video angles, Yet the narrative from 0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:11.840 them is that this guy was attacking them, which is 0:44:12.520 --> 0:44:14.160 clearly not the case on the video. I mean, you 0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:16.279 can look at it from multiple angles, whether or not 0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:18.840 you agree with his protest methods. He was not attacking anyone. 0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:21.279 He was standing between them getting pepper sprayed and being 0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:24.120 beaten with pepper spray can and then getting unloaded on 0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:26.200 And at the same time, we now live in this 0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:29.000 situation where at least some parts of the firearms community 0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:31.880 or gun community, which isn't owning a thing, isn't a community, 0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:34.560 but we use that term gun community. Like you said, 0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:36.719 some of these rights groups have said something, but the 0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:39.680 response to this is still disturbing to me because there's 0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:41.840 a lot of people saying, well, don't show up to 0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:43.880 a protest with a gun, don't be in public with 0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:45.640 a gun, you can't bring gun. In fact, we saw 0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:47.600 parts of the Trump administration saying don't show up with 0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:50.560 a gun. This man had a handgun and two magazines 0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:53.080 on him looking for trouble. Well, if he was, he 0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:55.160 didn't have the gun out and by the way, carrying 0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:58.360 a handgun with an extra magazine is by no means abnormal. 0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:00.840 In fact, that's a normal procedure for most people that 0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:03.440 concealed Carrie. If you and I were hanging out on 0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:04.960 the street and we decided that we got into a 0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:07.279 fight with some guy, you know, Sheila Woof comes out 0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:09.839 of the bar and starts swinging on us, and then 0:45:10.080 --> 0:45:12.040 and then not only did we punch him and knock 0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:13.239 him to the ground, you shoot him, and then I 0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:15.920 shoot him nine more times, and there's video evidence of that. 0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:19.320 We're going to jail forever. But we at footage of 0:45:19.360 --> 0:45:22.040 these guys doing this and really nothing comes of it. 0:45:22.480 --> 0:45:25.200 Part of like what I really want to get across 0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:31.160 to people is how bog standard this behavior is. The 0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:35.680 agents that shot Preddi were experienced veterans. They were not newbies. 0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:38.399 They were not proud boys who just gotten inducted into 0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:41.480 the force, you know, and tasked with doing vigilante justice. 0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:45.279 They were sworn law enforcement officers with decorated careers, and 0:45:45.320 --> 0:45:49.480 they were acting the way the average cop expects people 0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:51.879 to act in a lot of situations, or at least 0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:55.000 at least a significant chunk of the law enforcement community 0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:58.520 expects police officers to be able to act right, like, 0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:01.000 I don't know that. I think most police officers are 0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:03.520 going to shoot a man who has been disarmed when 0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:05.239 he's in the middle of a pile of guys who 0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:07.920 have their hands on him. But most police officers will 0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:11.200 defend their colleagues who do the same right. That's almost 0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:13.600 more of the issue. It's not that the average police 0:46:13.600 --> 0:46:16.560 officer is looking for an excuse to shoot somebody. It's 0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:18.440 that there's enough of those guys on the force and 0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:21.080 all of their friends support them when they do it right. 0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:24.640 And that doesn't exist on the civilian side of things, 0:46:24.719 --> 0:46:27.759 right I think about like in Portland we had a 0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:30.200 mass shooting that was stopped by a protester who was 0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:33.080 then gave himself up to the police and was taken 0:46:33.160 --> 0:46:36.640 into custod He was initially charged with murder. And if 0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:39.359 there was the knowledge as a police officer that if 0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:42.520 I shoot someone, whether or not, it's totally justified, the 0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:46.200 next few months of my life are fucked completely. I'm 0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:48.759 not getting time off to chill, I am having to 0:46:48.840 --> 0:46:51.319 defend myself and have some of the worst stress of 0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:56.560 my life. Maybe we'd have fewer police shootings right if 0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:59.160 they knew it was going to be a miserable situation 0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:01.920 whenever they drew their gun and fired on somebody. 0:47:02.280 --> 0:47:05.279 And I think you have to have that be the understanding. 0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:08.880 And I know, like the counterpoint that at least police 0:47:08.880 --> 0:47:11.000 defenders will come up with is like, well, that might 0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:13.359 make them less likely to defend themselves, and like, well, 0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:15.319 then why are you calling them heroes if you're not 0:47:15.400 --> 0:47:17.520 expecting them to risk their lives for the good of 0:47:17.560 --> 0:47:22.600 the body politic? Right, we'll talk more about this, but first, ads. 0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:35.600 What's really interesting about this? And I would think, I mean, 0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:37.680 I'm sure you have a really large amount of cops 0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:41.200 in the audience here, but here's the thing. Really, everyone 0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:44.280 should be concerned about this, even cops, even border patrol, 0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:47.040 even ice. Law enforcement in general should be concerned about 0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:51.279 this because as this activity becomes frankly more common and 0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:53.879 more accepted in their ranks, that thin blue line being 0:47:53.880 --> 0:47:56.600 not one about solidarity but one of silence and lack 0:47:56.640 --> 0:48:00.200 of justice, that puts them a danger too, because if 0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:03.320 a person or people are so afraid of the reality 0:48:03.320 --> 0:48:05.040 of the fact that they can be just executed in 0:48:05.080 --> 0:48:07.400 the street with no repercussions of it, it sort of 0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:10.800 gives civilians, well it takes away our trust in the system. 0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:13.120 There's no due process. You can just die for nothing 0:48:13.200 --> 0:48:15.359 for having a cell phone in your pocket. It'll make 0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:17.520 some people more reckless in their actions when dealing with 0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:19.799 law enforcement because they are like, what do I have 0:48:19.840 --> 0:48:21.200 to lose. I'm gonna die anyway. 0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:24.160 It's the same logical problem as if you're like, well, 0:48:24.360 --> 0:48:27.480 armed robberies should have the same consequences as killing a guy, 0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:29.160 or they should be very similar. Your life should be 0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:31.000 over either way. Well, then what's the reason not to 0:48:31.040 --> 0:48:33.399 shoot someone and kill them in a robbery. Leaving them 0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:36.279 alive just increases the odds they identify you. If you're 0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:38.680 looking at the difference between thirty years in prison or 0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:41.880 fifty years in prison for robbery and murder, why not 0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:45.120 just commit the murder right Like, it's this calculus that's 0:48:45.160 --> 0:48:48.239 being forced on people. If you know, any time the 0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:51.239 police take you into custody or start to move to 0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:54.279 put hands on you, you feel like there's a very good 0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:56.880 chance they're just going to murder you, then people are 0:48:56.960 --> 0:49:00.480 going to start making very different choices when they're physically 0:49:00.520 --> 0:49:03.400 in contact with the police, and that makes life a 0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:06.120 lot more dangerous for everybody. And that's part of why 0:49:06.200 --> 0:49:09.600 this is what we're seeing is just so fucking irresponsible. 0:49:09.320 --> 0:49:11.839 And historically there's realities for this too, depending on what 0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:14.319 part of the community or who you know, your demographic, 0:49:14.360 --> 0:49:16.239 if you want to go back to the past, whether 0:49:16.360 --> 0:49:18.480 or not you agree or disagree with like the politics 0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:21.400 or actions of for example, the Black Panthers, the reality 0:49:21.480 --> 0:49:23.759 is because black men were just shot by cops with 0:49:23.800 --> 0:49:27.160 no justice being delivered ever, they started taking on strategies 0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:30.239 and policies that reflected that fear and concern. But now 0:49:30.280 --> 0:49:32.480 that's being extended to people well beyond that, when we 0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:36.160 see middle class VA nurses with a license being killed 0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:38.480 the same way, well, this is what's been going on 0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:41.759 in those communities for decades and decades, well before the 0:49:41.760 --> 0:49:44.800 Civil War. Let's be realistic. And so I'm not saying 0:49:44.840 --> 0:49:46.600 that was right or wrong, but I'm saying it is 0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:49.360 a logical conclusion. When you fear that the agents of 0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:51.239 the state can kill you and there's no justice to 0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:54.040 ever be had, well what do you have to lose? 0:49:54.800 --> 0:49:56.759 When we were talking about this early, you brought up 0:49:56.760 --> 0:50:00.600 something the Attorney General of Arizona had said recently on 0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:04.880 the subject of ice agents who are not identifiable as 0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:06.960 law enforcement coming to your door with guns. 0:50:08.000 --> 0:50:10.239 I don't have the direct quote, but I'm paraphrasing here, 0:50:10.239 --> 0:50:12.520 but it was along the lines of if people are 0:50:12.560 --> 0:50:15.440 at your doors that are unidentified with masks in Arizona, 0:50:15.560 --> 0:50:18.640 the castle doctrine essentially provides you the right to use 0:50:18.680 --> 0:50:22.120 force against them. And that is a very interesting statement 0:50:22.160 --> 0:50:23.960 to be made by someone as high in power of 0:50:24.520 --> 0:50:26.920 government of a state level at that point. But I mean, 0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:29.359 there's some truth to that, and the reality is when 0:50:29.400 --> 0:50:32.160 people aren't identifiable, it is very easy to show up. 0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:34.960 And I mean we've already seen examples of people pretending 0:50:35.000 --> 0:50:36.640 to be ice because it's very easy to put on 0:50:36.880 --> 0:50:40.879 some body armors, some camouflage and a mask and look 0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:44.399 like these guys that are not identifiable. And therefore, when 0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:46.120 that is the case, how do you know what's there 0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:48.120 and what you're facing is even law enforcement in the 0:50:48.120 --> 0:50:48.640 first place. 0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:52.239 Yeah, yeah, And this is Chris Mays, Chris with a 0:50:52.520 --> 0:50:56.239 Kay who's a Democrat, and the Arizona Attorney General. And 0:50:56.280 --> 0:50:58.640 as you said, the way that it was framed in 0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:02.960 this conversation was basically, this is a disaster because if 0:51:02.960 --> 0:51:06.360 you have law enforcement agents that you can't identify people 0:51:06.480 --> 0:51:09.560 absolutely have a right to just start blasting in Arizona 0:51:09.640 --> 0:51:12.640 based on Castle doctrine, And in fact, the interviewer in 0:51:12.680 --> 0:51:15.760 that brom Resnik, asked, like, are you giving people permission 0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:19.719 to shoot federal agents? And May said, like the law does, right, 0:51:19.800 --> 0:51:22.799 Like that's the issue. You know, how do you know 0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:24.600 if some guy's just in a mask at your door 0:51:24.600 --> 0:51:27.759 with a gun. How do you know? And the fact 0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:32.719 that you're expecting Americans, a jumpy country of paranoid conspiracy 0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:35.080 theorists with four hundred million guns to see masked men 0:51:35.120 --> 0:51:37.680 at their doors and show discretion. 0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:40.920 Seems like a bad bet to me. 0:51:41.239 --> 0:51:42.919 You know, this comes back to the point I was making. 0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:45.200 I don't think the Attorney General was there was saying 0:51:45.239 --> 0:51:47.239 just go shoot federal agents. I don't think that was 0:51:47.239 --> 0:51:49.440 the point. The point was simply what I mentioned earlier, 0:51:49.520 --> 0:51:51.799 which is when you can't identify, or you don't know 0:51:51.840 --> 0:51:53.719 what is going on, or you're in a situation in 0:51:53.719 --> 0:51:56.399 which these people are not acting in a reasonable manner, 0:51:56.480 --> 0:51:58.239 you don't know what you're dealing with. It's the same 0:51:58.280 --> 0:52:00.640 thing I mentioned earlier, in which if you're that concern 0:52:00.760 --> 0:52:02.840 or you don't believe that due process or justice is 0:52:02.840 --> 0:52:06.000 going to be served, your decision making logic might very 0:52:06.040 --> 0:52:08.320 well change. And like you said, in a country where 0:52:08.480 --> 0:52:10.799 many people are armed, I think this is something that 0:52:11.200 --> 0:52:13.800 every side of this issue should be concerned about, including 0:52:14.000 --> 0:52:17.040 the law enforcement agents, because they are at risk too. 0:52:17.320 --> 0:52:20.359 As this continues, the risk to them increases, which will 0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:23.479 then be used to justify more force against civilians because 0:52:23.520 --> 0:52:27.360 it's a vicious circle. Well, that's a fun note to 0:52:27.440 --> 0:52:30.200 end on, Carl. I want to direct people towards en 0:52:30.320 --> 0:52:32.799 Range TV. You mentioned that you have a video about 0:52:32.800 --> 0:52:34.239 one of the shootings that we talked about, so I 0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:36.719 want to let you kind of plug that at the end. Yeah, thanks, Robert, 0:52:36.760 --> 0:52:38.520 I appreciate that a lot. So in Range TV is 0:52:38.520 --> 0:52:40.239 my video project. It's about ten years old. 0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:40.440 Now. 0:52:40.440 --> 0:52:42.839 You can just find it at range dot tv, which 0:52:42.840 --> 0:52:44.759 is my website, or you can just google in Range 0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:47.400 TV on YouTube and you'll find it immediately. The algorithm 0:52:47.440 --> 0:52:49.000 will give it to you. But the search engines bight 0:52:49.360 --> 0:52:51.239 and the video that I'm referencing there, and there's a 0:52:51.280 --> 0:52:53.000 lot of them on there in regards to topics like 0:52:53.040 --> 0:52:56.239 this historically speaking, but the specific one about Danziger Bridge 0:52:56.280 --> 0:52:57.759 is right there. So if you go to Range TV 0:52:57.840 --> 0:53:02.000 and type in Danziger Bridge dn ZINGR, you will find 0:53:02.040 --> 0:53:04.120 that two thousand and five shooting, which is just an 0:53:04.120 --> 0:53:06.200 example of so many of these that happened. And I 0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:08.239 do have some discussions on there about recent events about 0:53:08.239 --> 0:53:10.920 Alex Pretty and such as well. So Robert, thank you 0:53:10.960 --> 0:53:13.319 for having me back on the show. I always appreciate it, 0:53:13.320 --> 0:53:16.960 and I appreciate our collaborations. And hopefully somehow this stuff 0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:17.720 makes a difference. 0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:19.319 Yeah, I hope so too. 0:53:19.440 --> 0:53:22.120 But at least I think it gives people something to 0:53:22.239 --> 0:53:25.520 like expect, right, like to look at this is kind 0:53:25.560 --> 0:53:28.120 of the cycle we're going to continue to see unless 0:53:28.200 --> 0:53:31.520 they pull back, unless ice and border patrols start using 0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:34.400 a great deal more discretion. Like, I think we've given 0:53:34.440 --> 0:53:37.440 people an idea of like where the future is trending, 0:53:37.719 --> 0:53:41.520 you know, and I unfortunately I'm not super optimistic about 0:53:41.520 --> 0:53:45.880 it right now, but you know tomorrow's unwritten. 0:53:58.800 --> 0:54:03.000 Welcome to it happened here. I'm Garrison Davis, joined by 0:54:03.160 --> 0:54:04.120 James Stout. 0:54:04.200 --> 0:54:07.800 Hello, I get what are we What are we learning about? Today? 0:54:08.520 --> 0:54:11.600 We are going to be learning about a man named 0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:13.080 James Fishback. 0:54:13.520 --> 0:54:14.719 Okay, get first name. 0:54:15.080 --> 0:54:17.680 Oh yeah, I've wanted to get someone kind of unbiased, 0:54:17.800 --> 0:54:22.080 but I now understand, unfortunately that you might be might 0:54:22.120 --> 0:54:24.480 be just kind of, you know, drawn drawn to him. 0:54:24.840 --> 0:54:27.200 Yeah, I've come here to defend the James name. 0:54:27.800 --> 0:54:29.919 I don't think that defense will last very long. 0:54:30.200 --> 0:54:31.840 I okay. 0:54:32.920 --> 0:54:37.480 James Fishback is a former Hedge fun analyst who's been 0:54:37.520 --> 0:54:40.640 worming his way into the political world of the New 0:54:40.760 --> 0:54:43.400 Right during the past two to three years. 0:54:43.920 --> 0:54:47.759 Yeah, I'm giving up on that one already. Got no 0:54:47.840 --> 0:54:49.160 interest in defending this guy. 0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:53.280 If you're active on you know, any kind of political feeds, 0:54:53.360 --> 0:54:57.160 whether that's you know, short short form video, blue sky Twitter, 0:54:57.200 --> 0:55:00.720 you've probably seen a video or two of James fish Back. 0:55:01.160 --> 0:55:03.319 But this episode we're gonna dive a little bit more 0:55:03.360 --> 0:55:07.720 into his background and his current political activities, which includes 0:55:07.719 --> 0:55:10.920 some things you probably haven't heard before. So James Fishback 0:55:11.360 --> 0:55:14.319 has tried to attach himself to a lot of, you know, 0:55:14.440 --> 0:55:19.800 various aspects of the New Right. He attempted to attach 0:55:19.840 --> 0:55:23.000 himself to the presidential campaign of a vek Ramaswami back 0:55:23.000 --> 0:55:23.959 in the Uldie days. 0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:25.919 Okay, yeah, remember when. 0:55:26.080 --> 0:55:28.400 But he did so just by like showing up at 0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:32.880 campaign staff events. He wasn't a staffer, like he just 0:55:32.960 --> 0:55:36.279 kept like appearing. He asked, like, stay overnight at a 0:55:36.320 --> 0:55:38.920 hotel that this staff was all staying at for this 0:55:38.960 --> 0:55:41.960 campaign event in Florida, and tried to build a personal 0:55:42.040 --> 0:55:45.600 rapport with the VEC over a few months, and eventually 0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:49.440 Fishback outstayed is welcome. He then pivoted to becoming what 0:55:49.440 --> 0:55:52.960 I would call a D tier right wing commentator and 0:55:53.000 --> 0:55:57.600 an advocate of Doge. In twenty twenty five, Fishback was 0:55:57.640 --> 0:56:02.280 a frequent guest on Like News, netw Works, CNN, Fox 0:56:02.320 --> 0:56:07.480 and others, speaking as a quote unquote Doge advisor. Huh, 0:56:07.800 --> 0:56:10.760 a role that he never officially had great never actually 0:56:10.800 --> 0:56:14.960 worked with Doge. His quote unquote advising was through adding 0:56:15.120 --> 0:56:18.399 Elon Musk on Twitter with random suggestions. 0:56:19.400 --> 0:56:22.360 Yeah, just at least literally in their comments online. 0:56:22.360 --> 0:56:26.000 And yeah, his Doge claim to fame is that he 0:56:26.040 --> 0:56:28.879 came up with this idea of the Doge dividend, which 0:56:28.920 --> 0:56:32.879 is like a stimulus type check that the government would 0:56:32.880 --> 0:56:36.040 send to people based on the savings that they found 0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:40.440 or created through slashing government agencies. Cool, So that that 0:56:40.719 --> 0:56:43.120 was his idea that he added Elon Musk about and 0:56:43.239 --> 0:56:46.319 this idea gained some traction, and then this this kind 0:56:46.320 --> 0:56:49.440 of boosted his image as a quote unquote Doage advisor 0:56:50.160 --> 0:56:53.080 and helped him trick news agencies into boosting his public 0:56:53.120 --> 0:56:57.880 profile by associating him with Doge. Eventually, this led to 0:56:58.120 --> 0:57:01.680 DOGE official Katie Miller, wife of Steven Miller, having to 0:57:01.760 --> 0:57:05.520 clarify in July twenty twenty five that Fishback was not 0:57:05.880 --> 0:57:09.800 involved with Doge in any way, but he got a 0:57:09.840 --> 0:57:13.359 lot of traction off of this Doge advisor thing right 0:57:13.760 --> 0:57:17.000 back when Ramaswami left Doge. 0:57:18.000 --> 0:57:22.520 Oh yeah, it's forgotten that he did. Wow, how time flies. 0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:25.880 Before the inauguration, because he was planning on and is 0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:29.920 planning on running for governor of Ohio, Fishback tried to 0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:33.040 put his name in as like a hey, all become 0:57:33.120 --> 0:57:36.280 the co chair of dog elon since my pal Ramaswami 0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:39.360 is going to be busy. That also, you know, did 0:57:39.400 --> 0:57:40.640 not did not work obviously. 0:57:41.000 --> 0:57:42.680 Yeah, what needy guy. 0:57:43.120 --> 0:57:45.400 He's just very very needy, very clingy. 0:57:45.680 --> 0:57:47.720 Yeah, paid, very parasocial. 0:57:48.280 --> 0:57:51.440 Yes, And after Katie Miller released a statement being like 0:57:51.480 --> 0:57:54.840 this guy's not part of Doge, Fishback began lobbying Trump 0:57:55.080 --> 0:58:00.760 for the vacant seat on the Federal Reserve Board of Governors. 0:58:00.800 --> 0:58:01.960 Really no shame. 0:58:01.920 --> 0:58:05.120 Based on his you know, credentials as this like patriotic 0:58:05.120 --> 0:58:08.200 America first investor right who's worked at a hedge fund 0:58:08.280 --> 0:58:11.200 or two and tried tried to get his way onto 0:58:11.200 --> 0:58:16.280 the SPACON seat. When that didn't turn out, obviously, Fishback 0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:19.800 set his sights on his home state of Florida, launching 0:58:19.840 --> 0:58:23.480 what I would call a groper style campaign for governor 0:58:23.680 --> 0:58:26.120 Cool and this is what we're going to be discussing 0:58:26.480 --> 0:58:28.360 for the rest of this episode. 0:58:28.840 --> 0:58:31.440 I'm not like intimately familiar with the grouper space, but 0:58:31.520 --> 0:58:33.880 this seems to be like the most kind of like 0:58:34.000 --> 0:58:38.680 Beata behavior to constantly like notice me, uh, I forget 0:58:38.680 --> 0:58:41.600 what that's a wed that begins with s pick me, No, yeah, 0:58:41.640 --> 0:58:43.000 it could be pick me. I guess it's like a 0:58:43.120 --> 0:58:46.280 notice me SEMPI or something that people say. 0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:49.440 I never expected you to say noticed with. 0:58:51.520 --> 0:58:55.720 Yeah, I've unfortunately I've been on the internet too. Like 0:58:55.840 --> 0:58:59.880 that's what he seems, right. He seems like extremely uh yes, yeah, listen, 0:59:00.280 --> 0:59:02.000 is like I think what would be coded as like 0:59:02.040 --> 0:59:03.360 beata behavior in the. 0:59:03.560 --> 0:59:05.120 Yeah and now he's kind of trying to do this 0:59:05.240 --> 0:59:09.560 with when tesen the Gropers, although as to this point, 0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:13.000 more successfully Okay, he's actually more successfully ingratiated himself with 0:59:13.600 --> 0:59:16.960 the Groper's space. On Tucker Carlson interview, he talked about 0:59:17.000 --> 0:59:21.360 how the Twitter account sorry x account af News or 0:59:21.400 --> 0:59:26.160 af post it's America first post America First News was 0:59:26.360 --> 0:59:30.080 a part of his like political radicalization towards the sort 0:59:30.120 --> 0:59:33.400 of Groper's style politics. This is like a news aggregation 0:59:33.480 --> 0:59:39.480 account that promotes far right nationalist talking points through and 0:59:39.520 --> 0:59:43.000 like framing through various news stories. A lot of people 0:59:43.080 --> 0:59:44.720 used to share a post with this account, like not 0:59:44.760 --> 0:59:47.280 knowing its political orientation, just because it was very active 0:59:47.320 --> 0:59:48.560 as a news aggregation source. 0:59:48.720 --> 0:59:50.200 Yeah, there are a few of those on Twitter, like 0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:54.240 bno news is another one that just aggregates from repost. 0:59:53.920 --> 0:59:56.480 Stuff and you know, Fischback has pointed to this as 0:59:56.560 --> 0:59:59.720 being a part of his like Graper style. 0:59:59.760 --> 1:00:02.040 Read pilling is the activity of this. 1:00:02.040 --> 1:00:05.680 Account to get a sense of his kind of very 1:00:05.880 --> 1:00:09.600 groper online background or at least like a place within 1:00:09.640 --> 1:00:11.720 the new right. I'm going to read a tweet of 1:00:11.720 --> 1:00:16.760 his from February eighth, twenty twenty six, quote as Florida Governor. 1:00:16.880 --> 1:00:20.480 I will refuse to let sub human gesterres spike our 1:00:20.560 --> 1:00:26.000 collective cortisol, not even once. Also, no foids or egirls unquote. 1:00:26.360 --> 1:00:27.600 How much of that do you understand? 1:00:27.680 --> 1:00:31.760 James, I got cortisol. I'm familiar, all right, Okay. 1:00:32.520 --> 1:00:35.920 So yeah, this is using the kind of currently trendy 1:00:35.960 --> 1:00:40.280 like looks maxing terms the jester, which has been used 1:00:40.320 --> 1:00:44.160 a lot since Clivicular's stream with Fuentes and sneak O 1:00:44.320 --> 1:00:47.200 at that club where they played the Kanye hal Hitler song. 1:00:48.120 --> 1:00:51.280 Spiking cortisol is a frequent way that people in the 1:00:51.320 --> 1:00:54.600 looks back in space will refer to your stress being raised, 1:00:54.920 --> 1:00:58.360 especially like through politics, Like through politics raising your stress. Okay, 1:00:59.000 --> 1:01:02.040 and foids an ego is just like misogynistic ways to 1:01:02.040 --> 1:01:04.400 refer to women coming out of like the in cell space. Okay, 1:01:04.520 --> 1:01:06.840 So you know this this post is you know, kind 1:01:06.880 --> 1:01:08.800 of a joke, but it's also signaling to a certain 1:01:08.840 --> 1:01:11.200 a certain type of person that hey, I'm. 1:01:11.120 --> 1:01:13.160 Your guy, Yeah, I speak your language. 1:01:13.280 --> 1:01:15.360 And it's also just really annoying. Right, He's he's trying 1:01:15.400 --> 1:01:18.040 to be off putting on purpose because that will drive 1:01:18.040 --> 1:01:21.440 attention to him from people who don't like him, and 1:01:21.840 --> 1:01:23.520 you know, and try to cover him in this episode, 1:01:23.560 --> 1:01:25.080 you know, I'm trying to like ride that line of 1:01:25.240 --> 1:01:29.600 not just unnecessarily giving him publicity because he has outrageous things, 1:01:30.040 --> 1:01:33.600 but then also framing his rising profile within a certain 1:01:33.640 --> 1:01:37.880 like context, which is Groyper candidates popping up more and 1:01:37.920 --> 1:01:39.560 more frequently across the United States. 1:01:40.040 --> 1:01:40.760 Yeah. 1:01:40.880 --> 1:01:45.200 So, in terms of Florida, Desantists can't run for another term. 1:01:45.320 --> 1:01:46.320 He is term limited. 1:01:46.920 --> 1:01:50.880 The clear front runner to succeed Dysantis is US Representative 1:01:51.000 --> 1:01:56.120 from Florida Byron Donald's who has Trump's endorsement. Last month, 1:01:56.120 --> 1:01:58.680 Lieutenant Governor j Collins also announced to run for governor. 1:01:59.560 --> 1:02:03.360 But Fishback is not a non player in this race, 1:02:04.040 --> 1:02:09.480 and his candidacy displays attention within the Republican Party between 1:02:09.560 --> 1:02:13.840 the former like Tea Party and classical MEGA wing, which 1:02:13.880 --> 1:02:18.080 is now the effective conservative establishment, and this New America 1:02:18.200 --> 1:02:22.440 First wing, which takes some of Mega's originating principles to 1:02:22.560 --> 1:02:26.120 their far right nationalist conclusion. I talked about this tension 1:02:26.200 --> 1:02:29.120 last year in the episodes about Nick Fuentez's interview with 1:02:29.160 --> 1:02:33.560 Tucker Carlson and this surge of Graper adjacent gen Z 1:02:33.680 --> 1:02:37.760 staffers filling out the ranks of the Republican machine in DC. Now, 1:02:37.880 --> 1:02:40.640 Fishback is one of the first candidates to draw a 1:02:40.680 --> 1:02:44.240 lot of attention by essentially running as a graper candidate, 1:02:44.680 --> 1:02:47.360 and depending on how well he does, it could indicate 1:02:47.400 --> 1:02:50.400 how successful this politics can be when presented in front 1:02:50.440 --> 1:02:55.360 of Republican voters. The primary election isn't doneuntil August. There's 1:02:55.400 --> 1:02:59.280 not tons of polling yet on this race, like let 1:02:59.280 --> 1:03:03.360 alone from a stafflish pollsters, But as of late January, 1:03:03.800 --> 1:03:08.040 Fishback's most favorable pole puts him fifteen points behind front 1:03:08.080 --> 1:03:10.480 runner Byron Donald's according to quote. 1:03:10.320 --> 1:03:11.640 Unquote Patriot polling. 1:03:12.600 --> 1:03:16.600 Meanwhile, Donald's own sponsored poll puts them upwards of forty 1:03:16.600 --> 1:03:20.480 two points ahead of Fishback around the new year. So 1:03:20.520 --> 1:03:22.000 all this stuff is really out of date night and 1:03:22.120 --> 1:03:26.040 Fishback certainly has risen his profile since then, but we're 1:03:26.080 --> 1:03:30.440 still waiting on like reliable polls to come out. Yeah, 1:03:30.640 --> 1:03:32.920 but he's certainly getting a lot of headlines and is 1:03:33.360 --> 1:03:36.200 doing a successful job in raising his public profile. 1:03:36.880 --> 1:03:39.000 Now. Part of Fishback's strategy to. 1:03:39.040 --> 1:03:42.040 Raise his public profile and like name recognition both in 1:03:42.080 --> 1:03:45.360 Florida and nationally, it seems to be just through generating 1:03:45.400 --> 1:03:49.080 controversy very similar to how Fuentes did this or the 1:03:49.160 --> 1:03:54.280 more recent social ascension of the looksmaxing streamer clovicular. Earlier 1:03:54.360 --> 1:03:59.240 this month, Fishback claimed that a fire was quote intentionally 1:03:59.320 --> 1:04:02.920 set in his sideyard, prompting him to do a publicity 1:04:02.920 --> 1:04:05.840 stunt where he walked out of his porch holding an 1:04:06.080 --> 1:04:09.480 AR fifteen style rifle above his head, promising to shoot 1:04:09.520 --> 1:04:12.880 anyone who attempts to harm him and his staff. I 1:04:12.960 --> 1:04:14.320 will share a clip. 1:04:14.600 --> 1:04:17.160 I've seen this one. I'm excited to wash it again there. 1:04:18.240 --> 1:04:20.360 If you come back to this home and our staff, 1:04:20.440 --> 1:04:22.480 our volunteers are working hard. 1:04:24.920 --> 1:04:26.480 We're not waiting for the police. 1:04:27.040 --> 1:04:30.560 We're gonna shoot you with an AR fifteen sight on scene. 1:04:30.920 --> 1:04:34.640 Five five six. Yeah, that's what we're going to do. 1:04:34.960 --> 1:04:39.840 It's very simple. Shall not be infringe? We have a right. 1:04:39.960 --> 1:04:43.520 It's just a bunch of woods. They're saying, like, no 1:04:43.520 --> 1:04:48.160 in any particular. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't make much sense. 1:04:48.240 --> 1:04:51.320 It doesn't know it. It's also five point five six. 1:04:51.720 --> 1:04:55.360 I guess people do call it five five six bit Yeah, fascinating, 1:04:55.480 --> 1:04:59.880 two two three thirty round doesn't as you have a 1:05:00.280 --> 1:05:02.600 sine in there? I noticed no, no, that bake sites 1:05:02.600 --> 1:05:06.640 folded down as well. It's for those familiar with such things, 1:05:06.880 --> 1:05:09.600 a straight at the box Smith and Western MP fifteen. 1:05:10.160 --> 1:05:12.440 It looks like he may have bought it quite recently. 1:05:13.280 --> 1:05:16.360 So this is one such incident where he tried to 1:05:16.400 --> 1:05:20.120 generate some kind of publicity through this, you know, very 1:05:20.120 --> 1:05:22.840 provocative gesture. But he's also done this through the language 1:05:22.840 --> 1:05:26.480 he uses. Fishback refers to front runner Byron Donalds, who 1:05:26.600 --> 1:05:30.760 is black as by Rone, which is just not his name, 1:05:31.440 --> 1:05:35.000 and has said, quote by Rone wants to turn Florida 1:05:35.080 --> 1:05:39.439 into a section eight to ghetto unquote. He's also used 1:05:39.680 --> 1:05:43.800 Charlemagne's nickname for Hakeem Jeffries a pac Shakur to refer 1:05:43.840 --> 1:05:46.920 to Donald's, and has called Donald's a quote unquote slave 1:05:47.040 --> 1:05:50.560 to his donors Jesus Christ. So yeah, a lot of 1:05:50.560 --> 1:05:51.120 stuff like that. 1:05:51.480 --> 1:05:52.360 Yeah. 1:05:52.560 --> 1:05:56.600 Fishback has proposed a fifty percent income tax on OnlyFans creators, 1:05:56.640 --> 1:05:59.840 calling it a quote unquote syntax, and one of his 1:06:00.520 --> 1:06:05.360 very first campaign videos was titled I'm running for Florida 1:06:05.400 --> 1:06:08.320 Governor to make the trains run on time. 1:06:08.960 --> 1:06:10.680 Oh cool? 1:06:11.800 --> 1:06:16.600 So this has not like generated tons of controversy in headlines. Yeah, 1:06:16.640 --> 1:06:19.280 it's you know, caused some social media posters to be like, oh, 1:06:19.280 --> 1:06:21.400 look at this guy clearly doing a Nazi dog whistle. 1:06:21.640 --> 1:06:24.120 But then it's also signaled you know, early early in 1:06:24.160 --> 1:06:27.320 the campaign signals to you know, grapers and people in 1:06:27.360 --> 1:06:30.360 the very very far fringes of the right, has signaled 1:06:30.360 --> 1:06:32.320 to them that hey, I'm going to be your guy. Yeah, 1:06:32.600 --> 1:06:34.680 which in part he's doing so that he can count 1:06:34.720 --> 1:06:39.040 on them to kind of do free, free publicity for him, right, 1:06:39.200 --> 1:06:42.640 Like he wants to activate a certain type of overly 1:06:42.720 --> 1:06:46.360 online young male to be like a public spokesperson to 1:06:46.400 --> 1:06:49.440 like to just to boost his name recognition. And even 1:06:49.440 --> 1:06:51.720 if he doesn't win in Florida in this race, it' 1:06:51.720 --> 1:06:53.959 at least help his career like nationally in some way. 1:06:54.280 --> 1:06:56.640 So he's he's counting on this like a graper block 1:06:56.960 --> 1:06:59.760 to do a lot of heavy lifting. And that's part 1:06:59.760 --> 1:07:03.160 of what he does. Some of these very very late, 1:07:03.200 --> 1:07:06.520 gross tongue in cheek stuff make them trains run on time. 1:07:06.560 --> 1:07:09.880 Come on, dude, Yeah, it's like a clumsy dog whistle, right, 1:07:10.280 --> 1:07:13.760 It's embarrassing. There's no like a sleight of hand here 1:07:13.880 --> 1:07:17.240 or whatever. You know, he's just kind of blundering his 1:07:17.320 --> 1:07:21.240 way towards being like look at me Nazis. Yeah, and 1:07:21.400 --> 1:07:23.800 like this video he just talked about trying to bring 1:07:23.880 --> 1:07:25.920 back the Amtrak to the Florida Panhandle. 1:07:26.120 --> 1:07:27.280 It's like a one minute video. 1:07:27.840 --> 1:07:28.120 Cool. 1:07:28.320 --> 1:07:31.840 It had nothing to do about actually like making trains 1:07:31.920 --> 1:07:34.360 run on time. It's about trying to return Amtrak to 1:07:34.440 --> 1:07:39.080 a certain section of Florida. Fitchback has promised to quote 1:07:39.440 --> 1:07:44.200 divest every penny from Israel on day one unquote, which 1:07:44.240 --> 1:07:47.200 would include three hundred and eighty five million in foreign 1:07:47.240 --> 1:07:50.680 bonds invested in by the state. And he's opposed to 1:07:50.720 --> 1:07:53.800 adopting anti Semitism definitions in schools that make it quote 1:07:53.840 --> 1:07:56.600 unquote against the law to criticize Israel. 1:07:57.200 --> 1:08:00.760 H yeah, Yes, this is where the right and the 1:08:00.840 --> 1:08:01.280 soft dare. 1:08:01.440 --> 1:08:01.800 I bet. 1:08:02.120 --> 1:08:04.760 Yeah, I'm sure it's Israel you'll concern with here. 1:08:04.640 --> 1:08:08.160 Buddy, Yeah, no, I bet, I'm sure he's not to 1:08:08.200 --> 1:08:12.360 being this out of you know, principled stances of Palestinian solidarity. 1:08:12.400 --> 1:08:14.240 And he just wants to do anti Semitism like the 1:08:14.280 --> 1:08:15.080 old fashioned way. 1:08:15.480 --> 1:08:19.800 Yes, And this can be displayed during a campaign event 1:08:19.920 --> 1:08:22.960 at the University of Central Florida where Fishback discussed how 1:08:23.000 --> 1:08:27.360 to make lunches in high school cafeterias more healthy topic, 1:08:27.680 --> 1:08:28.120 what's with. 1:08:28.120 --> 1:08:31.000 The pop tarts in the Broward County public schools in 1:08:31.040 --> 1:08:34.720 the cafeterias. I'm not saying that the test scores are 1:08:34.720 --> 1:08:37.679 a result of the pop tarts, but if you wanted 1:08:37.760 --> 1:08:41.200 kids to fail, if you wanted to set up our 1:08:41.280 --> 1:08:45.200 kids for failure, you would feed them the absolute boy 1:08:45.320 --> 1:08:51.840 slop in our cafeterias. 1:08:53.920 --> 1:08:56.000 And that that is on gentile. 1:08:56.040 --> 1:09:02.200 Okay, everyone's really excited to hear that. Hey, uh yep, wow, Yeah, 1:09:02.320 --> 1:09:05.240 I mean the crowd is like they love it. Yeah, 1:09:05.240 --> 1:09:07.200 but it also looks like they just derived from like 1:09:07.280 --> 1:09:12.080 a Southern Florida be a pong invitational tournament. Like it's uh, 1:09:12.479 --> 1:09:14.479 it's a lot of like frat boid type. 1:09:14.840 --> 1:09:17.439 Yes, it's a lot of the people who are who 1:09:17.880 --> 1:09:21.160 consumed like the menosphere type content online. Yeah, short clips 1:09:21.160 --> 1:09:23.960 of Nick Fuentes probably aren't regularly tuning into his like 1:09:24.040 --> 1:09:27.880 three hour livestream on Rumble, but engage with his content 1:09:27.960 --> 1:09:30.679 through short clips online. Yeah, same thing with like sneak 1:09:30.720 --> 1:09:33.479 o clvicular Right, it's it's it's this type of this 1:09:33.520 --> 1:09:36.559 type of influencer which has right wing politics, but they 1:09:36.560 --> 1:09:39.400 aren't like super invested in politics. It's this it's this 1:09:39.520 --> 1:09:44.839 mix of like post in cell male influencers that combine 1:09:44.920 --> 1:09:47.880 right wing politics, and it's a very common form of 1:09:47.920 --> 1:09:49.880 like entertainment for these people that we see in the 1:09:49.920 --> 1:09:52.639 background this video. Right, it's a lot of college guys 1:09:53.000 --> 1:09:54.400 eighteen to twenty two. 1:09:54.720 --> 1:09:57.800 Yeah, it's like it's mostly white men, yeah, from like 1:09:57.880 --> 1:09:59.160 traditional college age. 1:09:59.560 --> 1:10:03.759 Speaking of schools, in twenty twenty two, a Florida school 1:10:03.800 --> 1:10:09.559 district cut ties with Fishback's debate organization after a female 1:10:09.600 --> 1:10:13.120 student came forward with allegations at Fishback quote initiated a 1:10:13.240 --> 1:10:17.400 romantic relationship unquote with her while she was working for 1:10:17.520 --> 1:10:21.240 his student debate organization when she was seventeen years old 1:10:21.600 --> 1:10:22.799 he was twenty seven. 1:10:23.360 --> 1:10:23.880 Jesus. 1:10:24.280 --> 1:10:27.719 The student claimed in a protection order request that after 1:10:27.800 --> 1:10:31.160 joining the debate organization when she was sixteen, Fishback quote 1:10:31.240 --> 1:10:35.920 unquote systematically cultivated a relationship with her by increasing quote 1:10:35.960 --> 1:10:40.479 unquote opportunities for personal interaction, and that Fishback later quote 1:10:40.560 --> 1:10:44.960 unquote explicitly directed her to keep the relationship a secret 1:10:45.160 --> 1:10:49.559 while she was working for his school debate organization. Jesus, 1:10:50.040 --> 1:10:53.639 after turning eighteen, she moved in with Fishback. The two 1:10:53.720 --> 1:10:58.960 were briefly engaged. Fishback denies the student's characterization of the 1:10:59.040 --> 1:11:03.960 relationship timeline. After the girl broke up with him, Fishback 1:11:04.000 --> 1:11:08.599 allegedly sent hundreds of unanswered texts to her over several days. 1:11:09.240 --> 1:11:13.080 This information comes out of a harassment case that was 1:11:13.200 --> 1:11:18.440 later dismissed. The case wasn't about the legality of their relationship, importantly, 1:11:18.800 --> 1:11:22.800 it was about harassment after the two had broken up, 1:11:23.040 --> 1:11:24.439 where these details emerged. 1:11:24.600 --> 1:11:28.560 Yeah, his debate organization, this is some kind of like 1:11:28.560 --> 1:11:29.840 like plastic turning point. 1:11:30.400 --> 1:11:31.800 Yeah, but it kind of it was. 1:11:31.880 --> 1:11:36.000 It was a Florida based debate organization in high schools 1:11:36.439 --> 1:11:40.639 to encourage encourage debate. It was active around twenty twenty two. 1:11:40.800 --> 1:11:44.240 It was bought by another company a year or two ago, 1:11:44.680 --> 1:11:48.280 but in twenty twenty two a district ended cooperation with 1:11:48.360 --> 1:11:52.960 this organization after news came out about this relationship. Yeah, 1:11:53.080 --> 1:11:57.160 it is interesting considering the amount that Fishback and Fuentes 1:11:57.200 --> 1:12:00.800 and these guys will talk about the Epstein file and 1:12:00.840 --> 1:12:02.679 then have this in your. 1:12:02.760 --> 1:12:05.719 Yeah, inappropriate relationships with underage women. 1:12:06.000 --> 1:12:10.680 Yeah that work for you in your high school debate organization. 1:12:11.280 --> 1:12:15.439 Yeah, that gives me the age in a substantial way. 1:12:16.000 --> 1:12:20.880 Also kind of not that surprising from this kind of 1:12:22.000 --> 1:12:24.960 area of the right, but it's still gross. 1:12:25.720 --> 1:12:28.720 Yeah, it's time for an ad break, but we will 1:12:28.760 --> 1:12:34.520 return to discuss fishbacks reoccurring campaign rhetoric and his promises 1:12:34.720 --> 1:12:35.439 as governor. 1:12:47.560 --> 1:12:48.360 All right, we're back. 1:12:49.960 --> 1:12:53.240 A big part of Fishback's campaign is targeting H one 1:12:53.360 --> 1:12:56.720 B visas he promised on day one as governor to 1:12:56.720 --> 1:12:59.080 fire as many H one B workers as you can 1:12:59.680 --> 1:13:04.800 and quote unquote incentivize companies to hire Americans. Again, here's 1:13:04.840 --> 1:13:07.200 a radio appearance where he discusses. 1:13:06.720 --> 1:13:09.400 This on the first day in office. I would fire 1:13:09.479 --> 1:13:12.400 every single H one B who works at a state agency. 1:13:12.720 --> 1:13:15.600 Number two, if you have a state contract with Tallahassee, 1:13:15.640 --> 1:13:17.920 I don't care if it's serving NILS or serving. 1:13:17.760 --> 1:13:18.879 Up IT tech support. 1:13:19.080 --> 1:13:22.439 You have twenty four hours to pick, as President Reagan said, Drew, 1:13:23.080 --> 1:13:24.240 now is the time for choosing. 1:13:24.280 --> 1:13:24.880 You got to pick. 1:13:25.000 --> 1:13:26.920 Do you want your fifty million dollars a year state 1:13:26.960 --> 1:13:29.800 contract from Tallahassee or do you want your fifty year, 1:13:29.800 --> 1:13:30.880 one hundred h one bees. 1:13:31.360 --> 1:13:32.960 You pick. You can't have both. 1:13:33.080 --> 1:13:36.080 There's no negotiating, and you have twenty four hours that's 1:13:36.080 --> 1:13:38.040 how we create a culture that stands up for the 1:13:38.040 --> 1:13:39.600 dignity of American workers. 1:13:40.000 --> 1:13:44.400 That's an interesting approach, Like you can't get h one 1:13:44.479 --> 1:13:47.559 b jobs not for the federal government, but for state government. 1:13:48.120 --> 1:13:51.519 I kind of imagine that, especially in Florida, there are very. 1:13:51.360 --> 1:13:55.000 Many Well, he's not just concerned about h one bes. 1:13:55.520 --> 1:13:59.639 Fischback is also railed against student visas as a threat 1:13:59.720 --> 1:14:02.679 to the American way of life, and has falsely said 1:14:02.720 --> 1:14:06.440 that Trump plants descended two hundred thousand students from China 1:14:06.520 --> 1:14:10.880 to Florida's public universities, which serve only about four hundred 1:14:10.920 --> 1:14:12.800 and thirty thousand students, so. 1:14:12.760 --> 1:14:14.160 They'd be like forty five percent. 1:14:14.680 --> 1:14:17.200 It's not real. It's that's just not true. 1:14:17.640 --> 1:14:21.320 Yeah, this was proposed as an idea, not Florida specifically. 1:14:21.360 --> 1:14:24.840 But this was proposed in spring of twenty twenty five 1:14:24.880 --> 1:14:28.559 as a negotiating tactic with China over tariffs. This isn't 1:14:28.680 --> 1:14:32.559 a real thing. Since then, Fishback has promised to raise 1:14:32.600 --> 1:14:36.760 tuition on all foreign students to one million dollars via 1:14:36.880 --> 1:14:42.160 executive order. The governor cannot legally raise state school tuition 1:14:42.320 --> 1:14:43.360 via executive order. 1:14:43.640 --> 1:14:46.080 These are just words that he's saying, well, so like. 1:14:46.080 --> 1:14:49.120 A lot of these state schools having a certain number 1:14:49.200 --> 1:14:51.120 of students who are paying a higher fee, be that 1:14:51.240 --> 1:14:54.440 the non US or out of state, like it's integral 1:14:54.479 --> 1:14:57.360 to their budgeting, right, Like, yeah, they're not making it 1:14:57.360 --> 1:14:58.320 on in state tuition. 1:14:59.479 --> 1:15:02.760 Fishbag has talked about all this in an interview on 1:15:02.840 --> 1:15:06.599 Tucker Carlson's Internet show last month, where he said that 1:15:06.960 --> 1:15:10.719 a child quote from Shenngin, who doesn't know what Florida 1:15:10.800 --> 1:15:14.439 orange juice tastes like, can't possibly in an economic sense, 1:15:14.880 --> 1:15:17.600 but I think I mean not to sound gay, but 1:15:17.720 --> 1:15:21.360 in a spiritual sense, does not represent our state and 1:15:21.560 --> 1:15:29.000 our heritage unquote. Tucker replied, that's the opposite of gay. Actually, 1:15:29.520 --> 1:15:33.879 quote that's. 1:15:33.720 --> 1:15:36.920 A head of an exchange of words. Again, Like I'm 1:15:37.000 --> 1:15:39.400 like a little lost here. 1:15:39.880 --> 1:15:43.120 Yeah, this is this is a sizable faction of the 1:15:43.160 --> 1:15:45.440 new right of of the of of of the gropers 1:15:45.680 --> 1:15:48.960 who are filling staffer positions at Heritage and in DC, 1:15:49.560 --> 1:15:52.440 Like this is the sort of media environment, like linguistic 1:15:52.560 --> 1:15:54.479 environment that that they that they are coming out of, 1:15:54.920 --> 1:15:58.360 and the pearl clutchy reaction is is not useful here, right, 1:15:58.400 --> 1:16:01.640 I'm not like who cares right, this is obviously embarrassing. 1:16:01.680 --> 1:16:03.600 This is like a man in his thirties trying to 1:16:03.640 --> 1:16:07.639 sound like a kind of homophobic eighteen year old who's 1:16:07.680 --> 1:16:10.440 kind of only homophobic via like linguistic reflux. 1:16:10.920 --> 1:16:12.360 This is like embarrassing cosplay. 1:16:12.439 --> 1:16:13.599 Yeah, it's very cringe. 1:16:13.880 --> 1:16:15.920 I can't even find this stuff offensive, Like this is 1:16:16.520 --> 1:16:18.120 this is just it's. 1:16:18.040 --> 1:16:23.240 No, it's sad. Like the primary sentiment I feel is 1:16:23.280 --> 1:16:27.360 like vicarious shame, yeah, for this guy and his like 1:16:27.760 --> 1:16:29.000 desperate search for attention. 1:16:30.000 --> 1:16:33.880 Now, a core component of selling fascism into people is 1:16:33.880 --> 1:16:36.799 that they were promised a future that's now been taken 1:16:36.840 --> 1:16:41.120 away from them because of some people that are the enemy. Right, 1:16:41.439 --> 1:16:44.080 this is like the dream of finding a subservient wife, 1:16:44.120 --> 1:16:47.160 a cushy, full time job, buying a home, raising two 1:16:47.200 --> 1:16:50.800 point five kids in a safe and secure homeland. But 1:16:51.000 --> 1:16:54.280 because of quote unquote them, this dream is no longer possible. 1:16:55.080 --> 1:16:59.640 Through the years, we've seen different versions of this targeting Jews, Feminists, 1:16:59.680 --> 1:17:04.599 palace Indians, Muslims, Mexicans, Central and South American immigrants. Now, 1:17:04.800 --> 1:17:10.320 during Fishbeck's Carlson interview, he elucidated on like an updated 1:17:10.439 --> 1:17:14.160 version of the like twenty first century version of the 1:17:14.160 --> 1:17:16.800 American dream that was stolen from gen Z. 1:17:17.760 --> 1:17:20.480 Gen Z was such an important part of the president's 1:17:20.520 --> 1:17:24.160 victory last year. Yes, and they feel betrayed by a 1:17:24.200 --> 1:17:26.920 lot of these Trump advisors and what they've chosen to 1:17:26.960 --> 1:17:28.080 prioritize and not. 1:17:28.400 --> 1:17:29.240 I can see why. 1:17:29.640 --> 1:17:31.960 And when I've met them, and I've met them where 1:17:32.000 --> 1:17:34.720 they are at their universities, whether it's UF a couple 1:17:34.760 --> 1:17:36.680 of weeks ago, I'll be at FSU and just a 1:17:36.720 --> 1:17:41.360 couple weeks from now. Their number one frustration is that, look, 1:17:41.840 --> 1:17:46.000 they don't want to be lectured anymore. They got a degree, 1:17:46.680 --> 1:17:48.960 they got good grades, they got good test scores. They 1:17:48.960 --> 1:17:54.120 didn't study gender studies or black intersectionality. They did the 1:17:54.160 --> 1:17:58.000 stem thing that Republicans told them to do, learn to code, 1:17:58.200 --> 1:18:01.599 Learn to code. And now they say, you know what Amazon, 1:18:01.720 --> 1:18:04.160 Google fed acts. No, No, those jobs aren't available for you, 1:18:04.240 --> 1:18:06.800 upesky Americans. You want paid time off, you want to 1:18:06.800 --> 1:18:08.680 go to church on Sunday. We're going to give those 1:18:08.760 --> 1:18:11.760 jobs to an entire new class of foreign serfs known 1:18:11.760 --> 1:18:14.000 as the Indians and the Chinese. And we're not going 1:18:14.040 --> 1:18:16.920 to even interview you for those positions. They don't even 1:18:16.920 --> 1:18:19.400 pretend that the Chinese or the Indians are smarter. They're not. 1:18:19.520 --> 1:18:21.919 They don't speak our language, they have no skin. 1:18:21.720 --> 1:18:22.439 In they're not smarter. 1:18:22.479 --> 1:18:23.400 Act they're not at all. 1:18:23.560 --> 1:18:23.760 I know. 1:18:24.240 --> 1:18:27.800 And so the issue then becomes, do we actually have 1:18:27.840 --> 1:18:31.960 a labor market that is utterly rigged against American citizens? 1:18:32.000 --> 1:18:33.040 The answer is yes. 1:18:33.840 --> 1:18:37.040 I think this is a really interesting exchange on a 1:18:37.080 --> 1:18:38.920 sort of slide that's happening on the right. 1:18:39.200 --> 1:18:41.280 Beyond talking about like illegal immigrants. 1:18:41.560 --> 1:18:44.240 What's really interesting to me is that like the first 1:18:44.520 --> 1:18:48.040 real immigration lik restrictions that were part of the United 1:18:48.080 --> 1:18:52.280 States was the Chinese Exclusion Act, right, Yeah, and we 1:18:52.360 --> 1:18:55.280 have circled all the way back to essentially a very 1:18:55.320 --> 1:18:56.320 similar argument. 1:18:56.600 --> 1:18:56.960 Yeah. 1:18:57.000 --> 1:19:01.519 The slide from talking about illegal immigrants in like the 1:19:01.560 --> 1:19:05.080 far right space to really honing in on on student 1:19:05.160 --> 1:19:08.240 visa's foreign workers, I think is an interesting pivot. And 1:19:08.720 --> 1:19:11.600 this new version of the American dream of like, you know, 1:19:11.720 --> 1:19:14.360 stem jobs, learned to code that's now been taken away, 1:19:14.680 --> 1:19:17.800 that's no longer accessible because so many young Americans aren't 1:19:17.800 --> 1:19:21.160 getting hired because they're adamant about going to church on Sunday. 1:19:21.280 --> 1:19:23.679 Something that's not true. That's not real. 1:19:23.760 --> 1:19:25.120 Yeah, that's not a real thing. 1:19:25.280 --> 1:19:27.880 First of all, young Americans are not in large numbers 1:19:27.920 --> 1:19:29.640 going to church on Sunday. Nor is their hiring this 1:19:29.760 --> 1:19:31.880 discrimination because they don't want to work on Sundays. Right, 1:19:32.000 --> 1:19:35.600 These things aren't aren't real, but it taps into a 1:19:35.600 --> 1:19:39.040 certain feeling that someone in college might might have right now, 1:19:39.400 --> 1:19:42.200 especially in the wake of like ai Vibe coding, of 1:19:42.520 --> 1:19:45.080 they were told that there's this like lifetrack where you 1:19:45.080 --> 1:19:48.120 can work in tech, and now there really isn't many 1:19:48.200 --> 1:19:50.840 tech jobs open to people, and they're trying to turn 1:19:50.920 --> 1:19:53.920 this situation into this fight against legal immigration. 1:19:54.360 --> 1:19:57.800 Yeah, into fascism. It's funny to see Colson repeating that 1:19:57.880 --> 1:20:00.080 they learned to code thing, as if that was like 1:20:00.120 --> 1:20:03.240 a serious piece of career advice given to people Like 1:20:03.400 --> 1:20:07.880 that has been a meme for no close to a decade. Yeah, 1:20:08.240 --> 1:20:11.120 like everybody knew there was bullshit that it's it's literally 1:20:11.160 --> 1:20:12.800 like that. The phrase is a joke. 1:20:13.640 --> 1:20:17.400 Fishback later says after this little rant that quote, our 1:20:17.520 --> 1:20:20.240 north Star should not be a free market but a 1:20:20.280 --> 1:20:23.200 free people. He's okay, if the market's not freeze, Okay, 1:20:23.200 --> 1:20:25.320 if we're going to be restricting which types of workers 1:20:25.360 --> 1:20:28.360 are allowed, as long as we have a free American people. 1:20:28.560 --> 1:20:29.560 Yeah. 1:20:29.680 --> 1:20:33.360 So his strategy for winning this race appears to be 1:20:33.400 --> 1:20:37.559 through appealing to homeowners and prospective homeowners through tax cuts 1:20:37.560 --> 1:20:40.519 and down payment assistance, but then also really trying to 1:20:40.560 --> 1:20:44.760 engage gen Z voters. Looking at the successive of previous politicians, 1:20:45.439 --> 1:20:48.200 including Trump and how much of his victory was related 1:20:48.200 --> 1:20:51.280 to the gen Z vote, He's he's really really honing 1:20:51.360 --> 1:20:55.080 in on trying to activate young voters in Florida. He's 1:20:55.080 --> 1:20:58.000 planning to visit every single state college and so university 1:20:58.040 --> 1:21:00.559 and talked with these issues as a social media stunt. 1:21:00.560 --> 1:21:03.400 He's going on a statewide waffle house tour, visiting all 1:21:03.439 --> 1:21:07.479 the locations in the state. Great and through this he 1:21:07.560 --> 1:21:10.800 continues to talk about these beliefs on legal immigration. In 1:21:10.840 --> 1:21:14.160 an interview with a local magazine, Fishbeck discussed his belief 1:21:14.200 --> 1:21:17.479 in the quote unquote great replacement, stated quote, you can't 1:21:17.520 --> 1:21:20.320 make America great again with Chinese, you can't make America 1:21:20.360 --> 1:21:22.920 great again with Indians. You can't make America great again 1:21:22.960 --> 1:21:25.480 with Haitians. So when I speak about the great replacement, 1:21:25.600 --> 1:21:28.479 I speak about legal immigration programs that for far too 1:21:28.560 --> 1:21:31.600 long have been overlooked. A legal immigration has been a 1:21:31.680 --> 1:21:36.200 primary concern for establishment Republicans, but each one of many 1:21:36.439 --> 1:21:40.519 legal immigration programs, by definition, takes spots and slots jobs 1:21:40.640 --> 1:21:43.519 away from American citizens. My campaign is the one that 1:21:43.560 --> 1:21:47.720 stands up and says America is for Americans, and so 1:21:48.160 --> 1:21:52.599 we have to stop apologizing for that. Yeah, little slight 1:21:52.680 --> 1:21:56.879 move there with the Americas for Americans. Yeah, in reference 1:21:56.920 --> 1:22:01.080 to German Germany for Germany for the I'm sure he 1:22:01.120 --> 1:22:04.439 knows exactly what he's doing, Oh, most certainly. Yeah, Like 1:22:05.000 --> 1:22:09.720 this is the obvious next place. They have made so 1:22:10.080 --> 1:22:14.559 much political headway with racism, and like the obvious direction 1:22:14.680 --> 1:22:16.280 to keep going there for is to be the one 1:22:16.280 --> 1:22:18.760 who's willing to lean a little bit further into racism, Right, 1:22:18.760 --> 1:22:20.320 See if that can get you a little bit further, 1:22:20.320 --> 1:22:23.080 a little bit, a little bit more popular. Yeah, it 1:22:23.160 --> 1:22:25.800 makes sense in that. In that way, That's why I 1:22:25.800 --> 1:22:29.160 find his canaidacy really interesting. Regardless of how well he's 1:22:29.200 --> 1:22:31.360 gonna end up doing in the primary, he is trying 1:22:31.360 --> 1:22:34.120 to trojan horse something into not even trojan horse in 1:22:34.160 --> 1:22:37.439 a way, he's kind of openly trying to pull something 1:22:37.840 --> 1:22:40.840 into Republican politics and something that's been like festering in 1:22:41.120 --> 1:22:43.519 the sidelines for a while. You know, start that Nick's 1:22:43.520 --> 1:22:45.719 been advocating for a while. There was that fight around 1:22:45.800 --> 1:22:48.640 H one B visas about a year ago. Yeah, and 1:22:48.840 --> 1:22:51.760 he's he's really honing in on this as a potential 1:22:51.800 --> 1:22:55.040 future for the party. And what we're gonna We're gonna 1:22:55.040 --> 1:22:57.439 see how successful this is. Like in part right, there 1:22:57.479 --> 1:23:00.160 could be other factors that make his campaign not do 1:23:00.320 --> 1:23:03.240 very well beyond these sorts of politics, but this is 1:23:03.600 --> 1:23:06.200 the first time you've really seen these deployed at this scale, 1:23:06.240 --> 1:23:08.800 I think. And he's counting on the Graper support and 1:23:08.960 --> 1:23:11.360 this is what Nick's been talking about for a while, 1:23:11.479 --> 1:23:14.240 trying to run candidates like this as much as possible. 1:23:14.520 --> 1:23:18.560 In twenty twenty six, we'll talk more about Fishback's relationship 1:23:18.600 --> 1:23:21.759 with Fuentes and the Grapers after this ad break. 1:23:32.680 --> 1:23:33.439 All right, we're back. 1:23:34.240 --> 1:23:37.639 In my episode last year about the right wing fallout 1:23:37.720 --> 1:23:41.719 of Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson's brief friendship, I discussed 1:23:41.760 --> 1:23:46.200 how Fuentes was making threats and promises to deploy his 1:23:46.520 --> 1:23:50.559 Graper fan base to influence elections, both in twenty twenty 1:23:50.600 --> 1:23:54.360 six and then in the Republican presidential primary in twenty 1:23:54.439 --> 1:23:57.680 twenty eight, and after that new cycle had peaked, Fuentes 1:23:57.840 --> 1:24:02.040 continued to really hammered down his promise and threat to 1:24:02.240 --> 1:24:06.080 various candidates that if they do not adopt sufficient America 1:24:06.120 --> 1:24:09.880 first messaging, he will deploy his fan base across many 1:24:09.880 --> 1:24:15.600 different primary states to influence the election through support and harassment. 1:24:16.400 --> 1:24:19.599 And I believe that Fishback is attempting to hold Nick 1:24:19.800 --> 1:24:23.679 to this promise. On a podcast appearance last year, Fishback 1:24:23.720 --> 1:24:28.040 said that Nick fuent Has quote unquote broke the Internet 1:24:28.280 --> 1:24:32.519 by speaking truth to the deranged maniac Piers Morgan in 1:24:32.560 --> 1:24:33.200 an interview. 1:24:33.960 --> 1:24:35.800 I do love how Peace Morgan is now like an 1:24:35.840 --> 1:24:39.080 avatar of woke for the Nick American Right. 1:24:39.720 --> 1:24:42.920 For the biggest interview of the year, Nick fuent Has 1:24:43.040 --> 1:24:46.320 and Piers Morgan were Nick made very very clear, we 1:24:46.360 --> 1:24:49.280 are done with the pearl clutching, We are done with 1:24:49.360 --> 1:24:53.280 the white guilt. We are done with this pseudo religion 1:24:53.280 --> 1:24:56.640 that attacks us for just wanting to exist in our 1:24:56.680 --> 1:24:59.080 own country, to buy a home, to get a job, 1:24:59.200 --> 1:25:01.240 and to bet fit from all the things that we 1:25:01.240 --> 1:25:01.959 were promised. 1:25:02.360 --> 1:25:04.240 There he is again talking about all the things that 1:25:04.240 --> 1:25:04.960 we were promised. 1:25:05.040 --> 1:25:07.920 Yeah, and us right, like he's a thirty year old 1:25:07.960 --> 1:25:11.719 hedge fund guy. Yeah, like he got all the things. 1:25:12.800 --> 1:25:16.160 No, he did get the dream that he is saying 1:25:16.200 --> 1:25:18.320 no longer exists, like that has been his life. 1:25:18.520 --> 1:25:20.600 Yeah yeah, and he's just trying to cash in on 1:25:20.680 --> 1:25:21.040 it now. 1:25:21.520 --> 1:25:22.320 No, but it's. 1:25:22.240 --> 1:25:25.960 Through this interview he just keeps talking about Fuentes and 1:25:26.400 --> 1:25:28.800 glowingly refers to the Groper fan base. 1:25:28.920 --> 1:25:30.800 I'll tell you the truth. I found the audience of 1:25:30.880 --> 1:25:33.360 young men who follow and watch Nick Fuentes to be 1:25:33.600 --> 1:25:38.280 actually incredibly informed and insimple and very patriotic young man. 1:25:38.800 --> 1:25:40.960 I'm gonna be completely honest. I probably shouldn't say this, 1:25:41.040 --> 1:25:43.599 but I think Nick's following is actually really impressive. There's 1:25:43.600 --> 1:25:45.640 a lot of young men who are patriotic, who are 1:25:45.640 --> 1:25:48.960 well informed, who know our history, which is why they 1:25:48.960 --> 1:25:51.519 are so frightened by the current path that we are on. 1:25:52.560 --> 1:25:55.360 Having a candidate talk openly about the gropers in this 1:25:55.400 --> 1:25:58.880 way I think is super interesting. This is the one 1:25:58.880 --> 1:26:00.720 of the first cases, and I don't think it'll be 1:26:00.720 --> 1:26:04.320 the last where nicks fans and Nick himself are like 1:26:04.439 --> 1:26:07.040 openly referred to in a race like this. 1:26:07.920 --> 1:26:12.120 Yeah, it's it's interesting again, Like super duper surprising to 1:26:12.200 --> 1:26:15.600 me how easily the Overton window is moved to the 1:26:15.720 --> 1:26:20.360 right right now. And there's a whole network of these 1:26:20.400 --> 1:26:23.920 like short form and long form video places to do 1:26:24.000 --> 1:26:27.960 that right that are kind of set up to incentivize that. 1:26:28.080 --> 1:26:31.599 Almost he doesn't have any particular genius that allows him 1:26:31.640 --> 1:26:33.439 to do it right, Like, there is a system in 1:26:33.520 --> 1:26:36.960 place both with like Fointe is kind of outside of 1:26:37.000 --> 1:26:41.759 the electoral politics Overton window. And then all these places 1:26:41.760 --> 1:26:44.519 that straddle the line right like Tucker Carlson, et cetera, 1:26:44.560 --> 1:26:48.360 et cetera, where, yeah, that exist to bring these further 1:26:48.520 --> 1:26:53.720 right discourses into the admissible discourse of electoral politics in 1:26:53.720 --> 1:26:54.240 this country. 1:26:55.000 --> 1:26:58.760 Yeah, and a fishback, as a largely unremarkable candidate is 1:26:59.400 --> 1:27:02.479 counting on a group of probably hundreds to thousands of 1:27:02.479 --> 1:27:06.720 young men to do free campaign work for him by 1:27:06.880 --> 1:27:10.120 telling them that they're good, smart little boys, by complimenting them. 1:27:10.320 --> 1:27:14.160 He is counting on his success being contingent on this 1:27:14.400 --> 1:27:18.000 graper army of gen z Internet users. To him, these 1:27:18.000 --> 1:27:20.599 are like a valuable political block and like that that's 1:27:20.600 --> 1:27:23.000 the thing that I find interesting about this, as you 1:27:23.120 --> 1:27:25.639 they used to be like pure poison, right, yeah, yeah, 1:27:25.840 --> 1:27:27.080 Now now they're seen. 1:27:26.880 --> 1:27:28.519 As like a as like a possible asset. 1:27:29.000 --> 1:27:32.040 Yep, And Fishback knows that there could be some drawbacks 1:27:32.080 --> 1:27:36.280 by going this extreme. A few days ago, Fishback walked 1:27:36.280 --> 1:27:42.400 through Miami's nightlife on stream with Menosphere influencer sneako who 1:27:42.479 --> 1:27:46.799 asked Nick foyant as if you would endorse Fishback as governor? 1:27:47.400 --> 1:27:49.360 What you say already said? 1:27:49.439 --> 1:27:49.719 Yes? 1:27:50.160 --> 1:27:53.719 Nick Foyn says has endorsed James Fishback for governor Florida. 1:27:54.160 --> 1:27:58.360 That'll really help go Wait, you want to voting for 1:27:58.400 --> 1:27:58.720 five one? 1:27:59.720 --> 1:28:01.479 Nick ones, He's voting for Byron Donald's. 1:28:03.680 --> 1:28:06.120 But that's a bad name, myrown Donald's. 1:28:06.160 --> 1:28:07.719 Does that even sound like it could be a governor? 1:28:08.080 --> 1:28:10.360 So there you can see that he knows that it 1:28:10.400 --> 1:28:13.759 could have some possible negative effects, but he's he's willing 1:28:13.760 --> 1:28:17.080 to play in this like irony irony zone while still 1:28:17.160 --> 1:28:20.240 very clearly embracing Fuentes and and the gropers. 1:28:20.360 --> 1:28:23.360 Yeah, and like this stream with Sneakos is like indicative 1:28:23.360 --> 1:28:24.080 of a few things. 1:28:24.439 --> 1:28:27.960 After Fishback talked about goyslop at that school event, you know, 1:28:28.040 --> 1:28:30.439 he said afterwards that he wasn't aware of like the 1:28:30.479 --> 1:28:31.800 offensive connotations. 1:28:31.960 --> 1:28:35.960 The fuck else is getting which is not true. 1:28:36.080 --> 1:28:38.960 Right, This has been like a four Chan term forever 1:28:39.040 --> 1:28:42.480 to talk about how like the Jews are poisoning gentiles 1:28:42.880 --> 1:28:45.439 with food to make them like subservient. Right, that's what 1:28:45.479 --> 1:28:48.680 the term means. He knows that, And he continued to 1:28:48.880 --> 1:28:53.440 use the goyslop term on Sneako's stream, and after jaywalking 1:28:53.640 --> 1:28:56.000 on this stream, Fishback joked quote. 1:28:56.200 --> 1:28:57.040 The headline will. 1:28:56.920 --> 1:29:01.280 Read tomorrow, Florida govenatorial candidate breaks the law with Hitler sympathizer, 1:29:02.120 --> 1:29:06.679 referring to sneak O great And based on the most 1:29:06.800 --> 1:29:11.040 recent polling we have on this race, Fishback's youth centric 1:29:11.120 --> 1:29:15.040 strategy does seem to be getting its intended results. In 1:29:15.080 --> 1:29:18.960 a University of North Florida Public Opinion Research Lab poll 1:29:19.080 --> 1:29:22.679 from the middle of February, Byron Donalds is up thirty 1:29:22.720 --> 1:29:26.160 one percent to James Fishback at six percent, about a 1:29:26.479 --> 1:29:29.160 twenty five percent gap, which is kind of in between 1:29:29.280 --> 1:29:33.519 the more Fishback friendly Patriot polling numbers and Byron Donald's 1:29:33.560 --> 1:29:37.080 own internal polling. A sizable gap, to be sure, but 1:29:37.200 --> 1:29:41.280 not one that is insurmountable. What's really interesting about this pole, though, 1:29:41.439 --> 1:29:45.960 is the youth numbers for ages eighteen to thirty four. 1:29:46.600 --> 1:29:51.000 James Fishback is at thirty two percent, whereas Byron Donald's 1:29:51.200 --> 1:29:56.559 is at eight percent. He's massively ahead among youth. Meanwhile, 1:29:57.040 --> 1:30:01.560 Byron Donald's tactics to address Fishback's connection to the Gropers 1:30:02.280 --> 1:30:05.639 has been a little odd. I'm gonna read a statement 1:30:05.800 --> 1:30:10.640 from last week. Quote, Dear James Fishback, I heard you 1:30:10.680 --> 1:30:13.080 crashed out when I told the truth about your stupid 1:30:13.360 --> 1:30:18.160 anti Semitic BDS plan that you stole from Kamala Harris, 1:30:18.760 --> 1:30:21.960 just like you stole your whole gimmick from Nick Fuentes 1:30:22.080 --> 1:30:27.000 and Zoron. Mam Donnie, You're no racist, your no groper, 1:30:27.400 --> 1:30:31.160 You're no anti Semite. You're what people hate about politics. 1:30:31.560 --> 1:30:38.080 Performative slop unquote. So Byron Donald's approach to addressing Fishbeck's 1:30:38.080 --> 1:30:41.720 ties to the Gropers are not to actually attack him 1:30:41.800 --> 1:30:45.759 for these ties, but to say that he's a fake groper, 1:30:45.840 --> 1:30:48.799 that he's not actually one of them, that he's stealing 1:30:48.840 --> 1:30:52.599 his policy ideas from Kamala Harris and stealing his gimmick 1:30:52.640 --> 1:30:56.519 from Fuentes and Zoron, Mom Donni quote unquote, your no 1:30:56.680 --> 1:31:01.360 anti Semite, your no racist. So basically attacking Fishback for 1:31:01.439 --> 1:31:05.600 not being a real enough racist, and Donald isn't the 1:31:05.600 --> 1:31:10.160 only one linking Fishback to Zoron Mamdani. The conservative magazine 1:31:10.200 --> 1:31:15.479 The Spectator released a positive profile on Fishback last week 1:31:15.600 --> 1:31:19.439 with the headline is James Fishback the rights answer to 1:31:19.600 --> 1:31:24.439 Zoron Mamdani, The similarities seemingly being that he's behind in 1:31:24.479 --> 1:31:27.840 the polls in a race that could be very influential 1:31:27.880 --> 1:31:31.120 for the future of the Republican Party, while gaining a 1:31:31.120 --> 1:31:34.559 lot of traction among youth and having a savvy online 1:31:34.600 --> 1:31:38.720 element of the campaign, and so Byron Donald's response to 1:31:39.040 --> 1:31:43.160 Fishback's popularity online a popularity among young voters is to 1:31:43.560 --> 1:31:47.920 compare him to Kamala Harris and Zoron Mamdani and claim 1:31:47.960 --> 1:31:50.280 that he's not actually a real racist, that he's not 1:31:50.400 --> 1:31:53.680 actually a real groyper. I do not believe this is 1:31:53.720 --> 1:31:56.559 going to be an effective line of attack or damage 1:31:56.640 --> 1:32:01.439 his numbers among the young, especially male supporters that he has, 1:32:01.960 --> 1:32:06.240 because Fishback already knows that he has the groper base 1:32:06.439 --> 1:32:09.240 in his pocket, and that's why he's able to make 1:32:09.320 --> 1:32:12.160 jokes with Sneako about how no, no, no, Nick Fuentes 1:32:12.280 --> 1:32:15.519 is actually supporting the other guy. He is secure enough 1:32:15.640 --> 1:32:20.160 in his Groper support to jokingly distance himself from Fuentes 1:32:20.280 --> 1:32:23.920 as a strategic move, because he knows the Grapers are 1:32:23.960 --> 1:32:26.840 already going to be doing free labor for him to 1:32:26.920 --> 1:32:30.799 boost his chance of winning. He already has them cool. 1:32:31.000 --> 1:32:34.360 Yeah, yeah, that makes sense, Like he's relying on social 1:32:34.400 --> 1:32:37.080 media exposure from them, and then he can even say 1:32:37.080 --> 1:32:39.639 other stuff to conventional media and it probably won't matter 1:32:39.720 --> 1:32:40.200 that much. 1:32:40.479 --> 1:32:40.799 Yeah. 1:32:40.880 --> 1:32:41.120 Yeah. 1:32:41.120 --> 1:32:44.080 And I mean he's still getting profiled by major outlets 1:32:44.120 --> 1:32:47.160 like every every week, and it's it's it's it's gonna 1:32:47.160 --> 1:32:49.840 be a long race. He wants to eventually debate Donald's, 1:32:49.880 --> 1:32:53.520 like in a televised debate. Unclear thataught's going to happen. Yeah, 1:32:53.680 --> 1:32:55.680 but as of now that that's that's kind of the 1:32:55.680 --> 1:33:00.040 current state of his candidacy, his strategy to overcome the 1:33:00.080 --> 1:33:02.599 gap and polls. And I will be keeping an eye 1:33:02.600 --> 1:33:05.880 on this race specifically because it does relate to what 1:33:05.920 --> 1:33:07.960 I was talking about last year in terms of this 1:33:08.120 --> 1:33:11.040 like wave of Groper friendly candidates expected to try to 1:33:11.040 --> 1:33:13.439 get into the Republican Party in the next two to 1:33:13.520 --> 1:33:14.200 four years. 1:33:14.520 --> 1:33:17.639 Yeah, it's The election is November of this year. 1:33:18.120 --> 1:33:20.639 November is the general August is the primary. 1:33:20.720 --> 1:33:24.799 Okay, yeah, so I guess the kind of Republican primary 1:33:24.840 --> 1:33:30.400 in Georgia is the big deal. I mean in Florida. Sorry, yeah, yeah. 1:33:30.200 --> 1:33:31.720 The primary race in Florida is going to be the 1:33:31.720 --> 1:33:33.120 one that I'm keeping the most track of. 1:33:33.280 --> 1:33:33.479 Yeah. 1:33:33.560 --> 1:33:35.560 Yeah, and you know, don't be surprised if if you 1:33:35.600 --> 1:33:37.720 start seeing fishback pop up and more stuff in the 1:33:37.760 --> 1:33:41.600 next few weeks. Yeah, great, Well that does it for 1:33:41.680 --> 1:33:45.320 us today at it could happen here. Yeah, now it's 1:33:45.360 --> 1:33:48.520 time to end the podcast, to lower the collective Cortisol. 1:34:03.280 --> 1:34:05.920 Welcome to it could happen here. I just want you 1:34:05.960 --> 1:34:07.960 to know our nation is back. It is the Golden 1:34:07.960 --> 1:34:10.960 Age of America. And we're going to talk about the 1:34:11.040 --> 1:34:15.040 sears say the Union by President Donald Dage Trump. 1:34:15.520 --> 1:34:18.080 And I've been saying our nation's back since way before 1:34:18.120 --> 1:34:21.200 it left, honestly, so I'm glad to see that we've 1:34:21.200 --> 1:34:21.639 caught up. 1:34:21.880 --> 1:34:22.599 But back to. 1:34:22.720 --> 1:34:26.360 When, sir, you know, it's a transformation like no one 1:34:26.400 --> 1:34:29.000 has ever seen before. Turnaround for the ages. 1:34:30.000 --> 1:34:31.799 We're gonna We're gonna do it better and better. 1:34:32.080 --> 1:34:35.160 Better and bigger and brighter and whatever B word he 1:34:35.200 --> 1:34:37.200 can decide to include. 1:34:37.400 --> 1:34:38.599 We just keep winning. 1:34:39.439 --> 1:34:42.880 So you're getting some idea from this about the tenor 1:34:42.960 --> 1:34:45.240 of the President's State of the Union speech. 1:34:44.960 --> 1:34:47.759 That we all just listen to. Yeah, it is. 1:34:47.760 --> 1:34:50.200 Like eight thirty pm at the end of a long 1:34:50.240 --> 1:34:52.439 work day that was already long before we listened to the. 1:34:52.360 --> 1:34:55.120 President eleven thirty pm for Gear. 1:34:55.360 --> 1:34:58.080 Yeah, eleven thirty pm for Gear. But I don't actually 1:34:58.080 --> 1:34:59.960 believe in time zones. I think that's a gon spere, 1:35:00.240 --> 1:35:03.720 but we'll talk about that later. So, in terms of 1:35:03.760 --> 1:35:06.160 like first responses to the State of the Union, I 1:35:06.160 --> 1:35:10.320 think mine was Trump spent a lot more time focusing 1:35:10.360 --> 1:35:13.519 on the achievements of other people, like literally handing out 1:35:13.560 --> 1:35:17.120 a bunch of awards, and less time, as a percentage 1:35:17.160 --> 1:35:19.920 of the speech actually trumpeting things that he did and 1:35:20.000 --> 1:35:22.719 his own successes in a way that I found kind 1:35:22.720 --> 1:35:25.160 of telling. And I think this merges with the fact 1:35:25.200 --> 1:35:28.360 that he did not mention Ice by name during the speech, 1:35:28.920 --> 1:35:32.559 So I kind of saw this as a recognition by 1:35:32.680 --> 1:35:34.840 him and his people that like, there's some face that 1:35:34.920 --> 1:35:38.200 needs to be saved, and we've got to try in 1:35:38.320 --> 1:35:42.040 this speech to kind of minimize our least attractive attributes 1:35:42.080 --> 1:35:44.120 and maximize the positive you know. 1:35:44.680 --> 1:35:47.040 Yeah, My take was that he was trying to simulate 1:35:47.120 --> 1:35:50.920 empathy and try to keep hold of that Republican crowd 1:35:51.000 --> 1:35:54.639 and try to endear himself to them as much as 1:35:54.680 --> 1:35:56.880 he could despite the state of things. 1:35:57.560 --> 1:36:01.320 Yeah, yeah, and trying to associate himself with a lot 1:36:01.360 --> 1:36:05.439 of acts of heroism or military valor or you know, 1:36:05.880 --> 1:36:09.640 which is classic strong man's stuff, right, like the you know, 1:36:10.080 --> 1:36:12.080 we're achieving a time of national great notes. Here some 1:36:12.200 --> 1:36:16.600 examples of masculine virtue. Blah blah blah. We saw the 1:36:16.800 --> 1:36:18.479 US men's ice hockey team. 1:36:18.640 --> 1:36:22.280 I really hated that twelve minutes in. Yeah, came in 1:36:22.720 --> 1:36:26.200 because we just keep winning. Our country is winning too much. 1:36:26.560 --> 1:36:29.800 We're winning so much that we don't know what to do. Yeah, 1:36:30.080 --> 1:36:33.120 And here are a bunch of a bunch of those winners. 1:36:33.360 --> 1:36:35.920 And I did find that kind of surprising too, like 1:36:36.000 --> 1:36:38.920 how quickly they got brought in and how much of 1:36:38.960 --> 1:36:41.360 a like a lot of the length of this was 1:36:41.520 --> 1:36:45.040 just him announcing people who had won something or were 1:36:45.080 --> 1:36:47.360 about to win something, and everybody clapping. 1:36:47.600 --> 1:36:50.200 Yeah, it's the most medals that we've seen in a 1:36:50.320 --> 1:36:51.599 State of the Union address. 1:36:51.720 --> 1:36:53.639 And I wonder, because I know one way in which 1:36:53.640 --> 1:36:56.639 these get quote unquote rated by news agencies, like how 1:36:56.720 --> 1:36:59.800 much percentage of the time was its standing ovations? How 1:36:59.880 --> 1:37:01.800 much percentage of the time manytimes they have to stop 1:37:01.800 --> 1:37:06.800 for applause. Maybe he's just trying to game that system. Amazing, 1:37:07.120 --> 1:37:08.240 that's pretty funny. 1:37:08.479 --> 1:37:10.519 It was really easy to take notes because of how 1:37:10.600 --> 1:37:13.360 much applause there was in single lines he sat. 1:37:13.520 --> 1:37:15.760 Yeah, and not just applause, right, there were there were 1:37:15.880 --> 1:37:19.440 large periods of time when people were chanting USA, USA, 1:37:19.720 --> 1:37:21.639 or Charlie Kirk's first name. 1:37:21.960 --> 1:37:22.240 Weird. 1:37:23.320 --> 1:37:26.320 Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it started off with some 1:37:26.320 --> 1:37:31.360 some more like statistics of dubious origin, but the economy 1:37:31.360 --> 1:37:34.800 and various other things. He claimed that fentanyl was down 1:37:34.880 --> 1:37:37.920 fifty six percent. That yeah, the strongestport of security ever. 1:37:38.080 --> 1:37:41.360 There's been no illegal aliens admitted to the United States 1:37:41.400 --> 1:37:42.519 in the past nine months. 1:37:42.720 --> 1:37:43.120 Zero. 1:37:43.479 --> 1:37:46.000 Well, that's a tortology, right, Like when you were admitted, 1:37:46.080 --> 1:37:48.200 that means you have been processed to release into the 1:37:48.280 --> 1:37:50.759 United States. So by definition, yes. 1:37:50.560 --> 1:37:53.880 Have there ever been illegal aliens admitted to the United States? 1:37:53.960 --> 1:37:57.320 Yeah, that's not what admission is, right, It's like saying 1:37:57.360 --> 1:37:57.840 there were. 1:37:57.840 --> 1:38:00.719 It's like being like, no bank robbers have eagerly robbed 1:38:00.760 --> 1:38:03.840 a bank. Yes, it's well, no, I guess you're right. 1:38:04.200 --> 1:38:06.880 Yeah, no, fish have walked under my orders. 1:38:07.560 --> 1:38:10.160 And Robert, you mentioned you wanted to say something a 1:38:10.160 --> 1:38:12.360 little bit about the fentanyl thing. He brought up. 1:38:12.880 --> 1:38:15.519 Yeah, I mean I love fentanyl, obviously, big fan of 1:38:15.560 --> 1:38:17.880 the stuff. You know, I don't like to use it, 1:38:18.040 --> 1:38:20.639 just like to read about it, study it uses. 1:38:20.840 --> 1:38:21.840 No, that's a joke. It's a bit. 1:38:21.920 --> 1:38:24.840 Don't do fentanyl, folks, please, And actually people aren't doing 1:38:24.880 --> 1:38:27.040 as much fentanyl, which has nothing to do with the 1:38:27.080 --> 1:38:30.000 Trump administration. So when he was like, there's fifty six 1:38:30.040 --> 1:38:33.439 percent less fentanyl getting into the country, I just I 1:38:33.479 --> 1:38:35.719 knew that was wrong, because, first off, I remembered reading 1:38:36.080 --> 1:38:38.640 that during the Biden administration there had started to be 1:38:38.680 --> 1:38:42.719 like a significant constriction of the international finnyl supply market. 1:38:43.080 --> 1:38:45.360 So I looked it up and I was in fact accurate. 1:38:45.400 --> 1:38:48.679 In my recollection, I found a pretty good article hosted 1:38:48.720 --> 1:38:52.559 by the University of Maryland's Medical School by Carl Hill, 1:38:53.000 --> 1:38:56.200 which notes that in twenty twenty three, the journal Science 1:38:56.240 --> 1:38:59.600 published an article by a Maryland criminologist that argued that 1:38:59.640 --> 1:39:02.800 the overdose deaths that had started to be noticed in 1:39:02.840 --> 1:39:05.160 twenty twenty three was driven by a collapse of the 1:39:05.200 --> 1:39:08.840 international fentanyl market supply chain. And you may note twenty 1:39:08.880 --> 1:39:11.320 twenty three is when Donald Trump was not the president. 1:39:11.880 --> 1:39:13.759 For this article, we were trying to understand why Finnel 1:39:13.760 --> 1:39:16.439 overdose deaths, after rising rapidly for a decade in mid 1:39:16.479 --> 1:39:19.600 twenty twenty three, suddenly turned downward. Peter Reuter, professor of 1:39:19.600 --> 1:39:22.040 public policy and criminology from the University of Maryland, told 1:39:22.080 --> 1:39:25.160 The Baltimore Sun, where you're reasonably sure that something has 1:39:25.200 --> 1:39:27.960 happened to the precursor chemical supply from China, there was 1:39:28.000 --> 1:39:31.599 a significant cause of the downturn in fentanyl. So again, 1:39:31.920 --> 1:39:34.240 what he's saying is the supply constriction happened in twenty 1:39:34.280 --> 1:39:36.639 twenty three, and it doesn't seem to have happened because 1:39:36.680 --> 1:39:39.880 of stateside US policy. In other words, the contraction of 1:39:39.920 --> 1:39:42.599 the supply had nothing to do with US stopping fentanyl 1:39:42.640 --> 1:39:44.679 at the border and everything to do with an issue 1:39:45.080 --> 1:39:47.439 somewhere in China. Now, there's been a couple of theories 1:39:47.439 --> 1:39:51.200 as to this, including some international laws that have altered, 1:39:51.240 --> 1:39:53.240 like the way these kind some of the chemical companies 1:39:53.280 --> 1:39:55.880 in China have to work but the gist of it 1:39:55.960 --> 1:39:58.639 is that this started in the Biden administration and has 1:39:58.680 --> 1:40:00.960 nothing to do with border policy. It's purely result of 1:40:00.960 --> 1:40:03.960 the actual physical supply of fentanyl, and that constriction began 1:40:04.040 --> 1:40:06.200 in China. Anyway, That's what I had to say. 1:40:06.400 --> 1:40:08.880 Yeah, I think it's worth noting. I'm not quite sure 1:40:08.880 --> 1:40:11.800 where that fifty six no idea. It could be sieges 1:40:12.320 --> 1:40:15.559 that they maybe seized a lot of fentanyl. Like, I'm 1:40:15.600 --> 1:40:18.320 not quite sure where that came from. Like, there were 1:40:18.320 --> 1:40:21.400 a number of statistics which I couldn't track down, right, 1:40:21.520 --> 1:40:26.639 the nineteen billion of fraud in Minnesota by Somali people. 1:40:27.040 --> 1:40:29.280 There was one I loved. He made a note that 1:40:29.640 --> 1:40:32.840 two point four million Americans have now sentded wasn't the 1:40:32.840 --> 1:40:33.680 word he used, but got. 1:40:33.680 --> 1:40:37.200 Been lifted off of food stamps. Lifted off of food stamps. 1:40:37.360 --> 1:40:40.759 Two point four million Americans are off of food stamps. 1:40:40.800 --> 1:40:43.880 Yeah, and he's specifically lifted off, as Garret noted, which 1:40:43.880 --> 1:40:47.080 would insinuate that, like their circumstances improved and they no 1:40:47.120 --> 1:40:50.759 longer needed food stamps. That's not true. Yes, we simply 1:40:50.760 --> 1:40:53.599 introduced like work requirements and other restrictions that kicked two 1:40:53.640 --> 1:40:55.320 point four million Americans off. 1:40:55.080 --> 1:40:57.960 Of kicked people off of the food Style program. 1:40:58.320 --> 1:41:02.439 Yeah, we've pushed people in into starvation because we. 1:41:01.880 --> 1:41:06.200 We lifted them into starvation. Garrison, we lifted them there you. 1:41:06.120 --> 1:41:11.479 Govation and this was this was his line right before 1:41:11.600 --> 1:41:13.479 he started talking about how we're winning so much and 1:41:13.840 --> 1:41:16.960 broad the hockey team that was the segue was talking 1:41:17.120 --> 1:41:19.680 was talking about how there's millions of people who now 1:41:19.720 --> 1:41:23.400 can't get food stamps and look, look how much we're winning. 1:41:23.680 --> 1:41:27.679 Quote, we're winning so much. We don't know what to do. Yeah, 1:41:27.680 --> 1:41:28.679 that's my big problem. 1:41:28.720 --> 1:41:31.080 I Folt so encountered that what to do with all 1:41:31.080 --> 1:41:31.760 the victories. 1:41:32.120 --> 1:41:33.920 But no, there's there's a few other stuff. 1:41:33.880 --> 1:41:35.639 I mean, he's talked about like, you know, the lowest 1:41:35.680 --> 1:41:39.680 inflation in five years, which is continuing, you know, continuing 1:41:39.720 --> 1:41:41.600 trends that have been going on for the past like 1:41:41.600 --> 1:41:45.439 three years, right in inflation, gas prices, mortgage rates. Did 1:41:45.520 --> 1:41:47.720 this interesting line. A short time ago, we were a 1:41:47.760 --> 1:41:48.559 dead country. 1:41:48.640 --> 1:41:51.840 Now we are the hottest, hottest, the hottest. 1:41:51.520 --> 1:41:54.439 And then he said hottest again, and then he had 1:41:54.439 --> 1:41:57.160 a really a really beautiful line of pros our new 1:41:57.200 --> 1:42:02.559 friend and partner, Venezuela and us barrels of oil, our 1:42:02.600 --> 1:42:03.639 new friend and partner. 1:42:03.960 --> 1:42:06.720 He called out Delsey by name and was like, she's 1:42:06.760 --> 1:42:09.120 doing great things for Venezuela. We're going to do great 1:42:09.120 --> 1:42:13.840 things together. Like a bizarre, really occurrence. Like then, I 1:42:13.840 --> 1:42:16.599 think that it goes to show how he understands foreign policy, 1:42:16.640 --> 1:42:20.080 which is in a very transactional way. It's not about 1:42:20.120 --> 1:42:22.840 an ideological disagreement. This is about having someone who he 1:42:22.880 --> 1:42:26.840 feels is personally loyal to him and owes him the 1:42:26.880 --> 1:42:30.120 position that they have, and that's I think what he's 1:42:30.120 --> 1:42:32.640 going for in Venezuela. He didn't mention the amnesty, but 1:42:32.720 --> 1:42:37.360 he at one point brought down a Venezuelan man whose 1:42:37.479 --> 1:42:41.360 niece was in the audience to reveal that her uncle 1:42:41.400 --> 1:42:44.759 had been released from prison. I will be eagerly awaiting 1:42:44.800 --> 1:42:48.080 news on that man's ongoing immigration status. 1:42:48.200 --> 1:42:49.160 So bizarre. 1:42:49.520 --> 1:42:53.200 Yeah, there was a lot of this, like really weird 1:42:53.960 --> 1:42:55.200 political theater. 1:42:55.280 --> 1:42:57.839 And so much of it that just was in seats 1:42:57.880 --> 1:43:01.040 for all them and they were really like awkward open 1:43:01.200 --> 1:43:07.120 door moments that were just just unnecessary. But that that's 1:43:07.160 --> 1:43:10.040 what he was going for tonight in Metal Metal medal, A. 1:43:10.040 --> 1:43:12.439 Lot of medals, a lot of medals, a lot of awards. 1:43:12.479 --> 1:43:14.720 We got the list, right, the whole, the trifecto. We 1:43:14.800 --> 1:43:18.040 got the Congressional Medal of Freedom, the Medal of. 1:43:18.040 --> 1:43:20.040 Honor, Presidential Medal of Freedom. 1:43:19.800 --> 1:43:23.760 Pident sorry, Presidential Medal of Feeding, Purple Heart at Purple Heart. 1:43:23.840 --> 1:43:26.920 Yeah, yeah, we gave out of purple Heart and Olympic Gold. 1:43:27.160 --> 1:43:28.719 Oh yeah, many of those. 1:43:29.160 --> 1:43:31.600 He like had this ex strange moment where he's like, 1:43:31.800 --> 1:43:34.679 I would like one of those, but apparently like. 1:43:34.640 --> 1:43:37.200 It's not for the Medal of Honors. You can only 1:43:37.200 --> 1:43:39.360 get him in the army. Maybe they'll open it up. 1:43:39.600 --> 1:43:41.840 Maybe they'll open it up, and if they do, I'll 1:43:41.880 --> 1:43:44.439 be the first one in line, sir. 1:43:45.520 --> 1:43:52.240 Yeah, he did teut that we ended d I in America, 1:43:52.520 --> 1:43:56.960 just like one of the annoying talking points that means nothing. 1:43:57.520 --> 1:44:01.280 Yeah, well, so I were not mentioned by name. There 1:44:01.320 --> 1:44:02.759 was a lot of border chat. 1:44:02.680 --> 1:44:05.960 Right, Yeah, especially at the at the Star and then 1:44:06.080 --> 1:44:08.080 a few times towards like the middle end. 1:44:08.360 --> 1:44:10.600 Yeah. And one of the things he did pretty consistently 1:44:10.760 --> 1:44:14.160 was was talk about horrific incidents, often involving the death 1:44:14.160 --> 1:44:18.120 of children, sometimes in front of their parents. Yeah. I 1:44:18.200 --> 1:44:21.360 just want to highlight a couple of those the first one. 1:44:21.400 --> 1:44:25.600 He talked about Delilah Coldman, right, who was injured in 1:44:25.720 --> 1:44:29.560 a crash with Big Grig, the drivers, which was not 1:44:29.600 --> 1:44:31.760 a US citizen, but did have a work permit, a 1:44:31.800 --> 1:44:36.080 work permit issued by the federal government under Donald Trump. 1:44:36.520 --> 1:44:38.080 And this has been a claim on the right. This 1:44:38.160 --> 1:44:40.760 guy was undocumented for some time, right in that California 1:44:40.800 --> 1:44:44.800 has been giving CDLs two undocumented people in this case 1:44:44.800 --> 1:44:47.840 said that is not the case. I'm interested in what 1:44:48.000 --> 1:44:51.479 happened to the Coldman family. I understand they've been through 1:44:51.479 --> 1:44:53.559 like a horrific thing. Right, their daughter, it looked like 1:44:53.600 --> 1:44:56.040 she was going to use the use of her legs. 1:44:56.040 --> 1:44:59.720 She's now relearning to use her legs and to walk, 1:44:59.760 --> 1:45:02.720 which it's great. But previously they had met with the 1:45:02.760 --> 1:45:05.880 person who was driving the vehicle that caused their daughter 1:45:05.960 --> 1:45:10.000 this horrific injury, and they had explicitly declined to politicize it, 1:45:10.080 --> 1:45:13.040 say that they weren't interested in doing that. So I 1:45:13.120 --> 1:45:17.920 don't know what happened here to now Trump proposing a law, 1:45:18.000 --> 1:45:21.680 which Delilah's law, he's calling it, right, which would I'm 1:45:21.680 --> 1:45:23.960 trying to remember if he said stop non citizens or 1:45:24.040 --> 1:45:27.000 undocumented people or illegal aliens to use his parlents from 1:45:27.000 --> 1:45:28.600 getting CDLs, obviously. 1:45:28.280 --> 1:45:29.680 I think are legal aliens. 1:45:29.960 --> 1:45:32.840 There are states which will give you driver's license without 1:45:32.880 --> 1:45:36.040 asking for documentation for the very obvious reason that people 1:45:36.120 --> 1:45:38.120 in this country have to drive. Large parts of this 1:45:38.160 --> 1:45:41.240 country are set up around driving. You cannot exist in 1:45:41.320 --> 1:45:43.600 some parts of America without a motor car, and it 1:45:43.680 --> 1:45:46.840 is better that people get a license and insurance than 1:45:46.880 --> 1:45:48.000 that they don't do that. 1:45:48.120 --> 1:45:51.599 He said, Barring any state from granting commercial driver's license 1:45:51.640 --> 1:45:54.840 to illegal aliens was his frame Okay, yeah, that's. 1:45:54.680 --> 1:45:58.120 His normal framing rate. I have never had a CDL 1:45:58.160 --> 1:46:01.000 in this country, and I've never gone through the application process. 1:46:01.000 --> 1:46:04.479 But I assume one would first need a federal work permit, 1:46:04.720 --> 1:46:07.640 right as one would for any employment. 1:46:08.240 --> 1:46:10.400 Well, you need a driver's license, pud also need to 1:46:10.479 --> 1:46:11.320 drive there. 1:46:11.400 --> 1:46:14.599 Yeah, you gotta have a driver's license to get a CDL. 1:46:15.400 --> 1:46:18.040 Yeah, yeah, there's a background check component, it looks like 1:46:18.080 --> 1:46:18.679 to the CDO. 1:46:19.200 --> 1:46:21.599 One of the lines that he used right before this 1:46:21.840 --> 1:46:26.560 call to action was that illegal aliens cannot read road signs. 1:46:26.960 --> 1:46:27.200 Yes. 1:46:28.000 --> 1:46:30.080 Yeah, that's how we introduced the section of like, yeah, 1:46:30.280 --> 1:46:32.360 they're all through this country driving around they don't know 1:46:32.360 --> 1:46:34.559 what like a warning sign is or a stop sign. 1:46:35.000 --> 1:46:36.800 Obviously, lots of people come to this country in a 1:46:36.840 --> 1:46:39.160 perfectly capable of speaking English, sir. Also people who are 1:46:39.160 --> 1:46:40.879 born in this country you don't speak English. 1:46:40.960 --> 1:46:43.960 Well, we just we don't have an official language. 1:46:44.200 --> 1:46:46.320 Just to say, a lot of people can't drive very 1:46:46.360 --> 1:46:50.000 well in this country. Yeah, as an as an LA driver, 1:46:52.200 --> 1:46:54.400 A lot of your people don't know how to merge. 1:46:55.360 --> 1:46:57.719 And it has nothing to do with your what language 1:46:57.720 --> 1:47:02.160 you speak or your citizens state. Okay, like this is 1:47:02.320 --> 1:47:04.240 a pointless remark to me. 1:47:04.479 --> 1:47:09.360 It's just it's a policy that they can make, right. 1:47:09.479 --> 1:47:09.679 Yeah. 1:47:09.760 --> 1:47:13.080 Yeah, didn't he sign an executive order officially making English 1:47:13.240 --> 1:47:16.120 the official language. It's at some point early on. Yes, No, 1:47:16.240 --> 1:47:18.960 I'm just I'm trying to remember if that's the case 1:47:19.040 --> 1:47:23.000 or not. Yes, yes, okay. The other claim that I 1:47:23.000 --> 1:47:28.000 thought was interesting was the killer of this young woman 1:47:28.280 --> 1:47:31.400 in Charlotte, right, who has killed. 1:47:31.320 --> 1:47:33.840 The trains stabbing incident from last year. 1:47:34.320 --> 1:47:39.240 Yeah, Arena's a Rutska, and Trump claimed that the man 1:47:39.280 --> 1:47:42.360 who killed her had come in through an open border. 1:47:43.320 --> 1:47:46.240 I am not able to find any evidence that this 1:47:46.320 --> 1:47:49.080 person is an immigrant to the United States, and I 1:47:49.080 --> 1:47:53.000 have not found that reported anywhere. His father appears to 1:47:53.080 --> 1:47:55.640 have at least resided, if not been born, in the 1:47:55.720 --> 1:47:58.639 United States. So his name is to Carlos Brown Junior. 1:47:58.920 --> 1:48:01.320 And so assuming that the cartis Brown, who is resident 1:48:01.400 --> 1:48:04.800 in the same place is his father. Therefore, I would 1:48:04.800 --> 1:48:06.479 assume that he was born in the United States and 1:48:06.479 --> 1:48:08.840 had citizenship through Bethey citizenship. I have no idea about 1:48:08.880 --> 1:48:11.040 his father. Could well be a citizen two. I'm just 1:48:11.720 --> 1:48:13.880 trying to research things in a hurry. I have not 1:48:14.000 --> 1:48:15.840 seen it reported anyway. 1:48:15.880 --> 1:48:20.519 Zero reporting about this man being an immigrant, including from 1:48:20.720 --> 1:48:23.240 right wing out let's who use this horrific incident to 1:48:23.680 --> 1:48:27.080 stoke like racist crime panic narratives last year. 1:48:27.680 --> 1:48:29.160 Yeah, and that may not have been the goal. It 1:48:29.200 --> 1:48:31.759 may have just been more traditional like race panic. 1:48:32.479 --> 1:48:34.400 Yeah, that was what it was. They used it for 1:48:34.640 --> 1:48:39.120 racialized crime panic. This comment by Trump inferring that he 1:48:39.240 --> 1:48:41.960 is an immigrant may have been an unscripted ad lib 1:48:42.000 --> 1:48:42.639 that he just did. 1:48:43.720 --> 1:48:47.000 But from what we could tell, this man was not 1:48:47.040 --> 1:48:47.679 an immigrant. 1:48:48.120 --> 1:48:48.800 Yeah. 1:48:49.040 --> 1:48:51.200 Now, it's just like a guy did a bad thing. 1:48:51.720 --> 1:48:54.240 Nor was he released early from custody, by the way, 1:48:54.280 --> 1:48:56.120 which is part of the narrative that the right was 1:48:56.200 --> 1:48:58.280 using in the reporting around this was that this guy 1:48:58.360 --> 1:49:00.800 was like released early from prison, and he did serve 1:49:00.840 --> 1:49:02.599 the entirety of his sentence. 1:49:02.760 --> 1:49:05.160 He may not have been released early from his sins, 1:49:05.160 --> 1:49:08.240 but you're released early from your sentence of not listening 1:49:08.240 --> 1:49:08.639 to us. 1:49:09.080 --> 1:49:13.559 Here's some ads. That's one of the worst ones. Yeah, well, 1:49:14.040 --> 1:49:27.799 too bad, and we're. 1:49:27.560 --> 1:49:28.839 Back, hooray. 1:49:30.280 --> 1:49:34.960 So in the start to middle section where he was 1:49:34.840 --> 1:49:37.120 he was still kind of talking about the economy before 1:49:37.160 --> 1:49:42.519 the entire pageantry performance took over. He started talking about 1:49:42.560 --> 1:49:46.040 the tax cuts and the one big beautiful bill, and 1:49:46.200 --> 1:49:49.440 he had this fun line about how all the Democrats 1:49:49.520 --> 1:49:52.120 voted against these tax cuts, and this made all the 1:49:52.160 --> 1:49:53.120 Democrats stand up in. 1:49:53.120 --> 1:49:55.360 Applaud that funny. 1:49:55.520 --> 1:49:58.080 But then he talked about this mom who was homeschooling 1:49:58.080 --> 1:50:02.000 two kids, who also worked as a waitress during the 1:50:02.080 --> 1:50:05.280 night shift on top of her husband, who also, you know, 1:50:05.320 --> 1:50:08.760 works full time, and how these these tax cuts have 1:50:08.760 --> 1:50:11.799 have gotten them to take an extra five thousand dollars 1:50:12.120 --> 1:50:14.479 home each year. Right, this is the no tax on 1:50:14.520 --> 1:50:17.639 tips thing. And this story of this of this mom 1:50:17.600 --> 1:50:19.880 who's homeschooling kids and working a night and a full 1:50:19.920 --> 1:50:22.000 time husband was was like framed like as this like 1:50:22.120 --> 1:50:26.280 triumph of the American economy. It was hard to interpret 1:50:26.280 --> 1:50:29.200 this as like a massive economic triumph when you were 1:50:29.240 --> 1:50:32.320 talking about a mother who's not only doing labor at 1:50:32.320 --> 1:50:36.639 home by schooling her children and then also working nights, 1:50:36.720 --> 1:50:40.120 and a husband who's also working full time like that, 1:50:40.120 --> 1:50:44.719 that that demonstrates how difficult it actually is to exist economically, 1:50:44.840 --> 1:50:46.880 especially if you have a family in the country right now. 1:50:47.280 --> 1:50:51.320 And his his kind of twisting of this scenario to 1:50:51.040 --> 1:50:53.840 to support his his his notion that he is he's 1:50:53.880 --> 1:50:56.200 helping the American economy I found to be quite interesting, 1:50:56.240 --> 1:50:59.760 And that is that's mostly with the Democratic response. Like 1:51:00.120 --> 1:51:03.519 ri Spenberger was about, it's like how it's pretty clear 1:51:04.439 --> 1:51:08.639 to most Americans that it's actually been quite economically challenging 1:51:08.680 --> 1:51:13.439 based on his wildly unstable trade agreements and tariffs which 1:51:13.439 --> 1:51:16.280 have caused a great deal of economic instability in this country. 1:51:16.600 --> 1:51:19.879 Yeah, there was a feeling during the Biden administration, especially 1:51:19.880 --> 1:51:22.599 with like Pusaki, right, like the Biden administration was somewhat 1:51:22.600 --> 1:51:26.800 gaslighting people as they struggled economically. Sure, but Trump has 1:51:26.880 --> 1:51:30.080 not not diverged from that policy. Right. No, And obviously 1:51:30.080 --> 1:51:33.320 now the dams are calling out talking of budget tree issues. 1:51:33.400 --> 1:51:37.439 Did anybody else catch that the Democrats have frozen funding 1:51:37.439 --> 1:51:40.360 to dhs who would like to be out there helping 1:51:40.400 --> 1:51:42.200 people shovel their snow. 1:51:42.479 --> 1:51:45.200 I missed this. I missed this shoveling snow line. Yeah, 1:51:45.240 --> 1:51:48.760 I didn't catch that either. Really, I caught it. 1:51:48.840 --> 1:51:52.320 I caught it. Okay, I thought hallucinated. 1:51:52.680 --> 1:51:55.919 Maybe that flooded the banks of like guarantized nonsense filters 1:51:55.920 --> 1:51:57.519 and we just shut down for a second. 1:51:58.400 --> 1:52:00.720 Yeah, that one, Like I actually went back on the 1:52:00.760 --> 1:52:02.959 live stream and that was one of the few moments 1:52:03.439 --> 1:52:07.920 where I, yeah, I wondered what heck he was talking about. 1:52:08.000 --> 1:52:10.280 Yeah, I'm sure he's going to be deploying FEMA FEMA, 1:52:10.479 --> 1:52:12.920 Yeah right, FEMA to New England to help to shovel 1:52:12.960 --> 1:52:13.320 the snow. 1:52:13.520 --> 1:52:16.679 Yeah, great, I'm sure that will be received. Well. Yeah, 1:52:16.680 --> 1:52:19.160 that was one of the more insane ones that I 1:52:19.360 --> 1:52:23.640 that I just it really took me a second to 1:52:23.640 --> 1:52:26.160 work out on earth was happening. But yeah, I believe 1:52:26.240 --> 1:52:28.599 that that was maybe a FEMA reference. 1:52:28.760 --> 1:52:31.759 No, I won't be happy until Homeland Security Investigation agents 1:52:31.800 --> 1:52:33.680 are shoveling snow. 1:52:34.360 --> 1:52:36.559 Honestly and make them do it. In every state, even 1:52:36.560 --> 1:52:39.400 though ones without snow. Just get out there and pantomime 1:52:39.400 --> 1:52:40.280 it with a shovel. 1:52:40.520 --> 1:52:43.160 You know, we got sand in California. We'll find him 1:52:43.160 --> 1:52:43.559 some work. 1:52:43.720 --> 1:52:44.559 Shovel some sand. 1:52:45.000 --> 1:52:47.600 I think the most interesting portion of the State of 1:52:47.600 --> 1:52:51.880 the Union address was when Trump talked about his tariffs, 1:52:51.920 --> 1:52:56.080 specifically because just days ago Supreme Court struck down his 1:52:56.560 --> 1:53:00.599 tariffs as not being legal. This will get discussed more 1:53:01.200 --> 1:53:06.360 in Executive Disorder tomorrow, but I found this to be 1:53:06.479 --> 1:53:10.439 quite interesting because Trump acknowledged all of this and then 1:53:10.640 --> 1:53:14.559 discussed how he is going to keep doing the tariffs anyway, 1:53:15.120 --> 1:53:18.880 right in front of the justices, just just openly talking 1:53:18.920 --> 1:53:22.479 about defying a Supreme Court order in front of them, 1:53:22.760 --> 1:53:25.160 and the camera kept going back and forth between the 1:53:25.160 --> 1:53:27.280 President and the justices as they just like sat there. 1:53:27.360 --> 1:53:30.479 It's a completely blank face as he's talking about defying 1:53:30.520 --> 1:53:33.280 their order. And this is like real, real peak constitutional 1:53:33.320 --> 1:53:34.040 crisis stuff. 1:53:34.240 --> 1:53:37.080 He kept saying, it's an unfortunate ruling by the Supreme 1:53:37.080 --> 1:53:39.000 corip Mind you, there was four of them there. They 1:53:39.040 --> 1:53:42.200 all stayed stoic, and some voted for him, some voted 1:53:42.479 --> 1:53:45.080 against him, so it was a mixed bag. But he 1:53:45.720 --> 1:53:48.280 was basically like it was like you know, when you 1:53:48.320 --> 1:53:50.360 do something wrong and the teacher lectures you in front 1:53:50.360 --> 1:53:52.920 of the class. It was very much that they didn't 1:53:52.920 --> 1:53:55.240 really give him much of reaction. He was talking about 1:53:55.560 --> 1:53:58.719 all countries and companies want to keep the deal, talking 1:53:58.760 --> 1:54:01.280 about tariffs and it's safe our countries and this is 1:54:01.320 --> 1:54:04.720 such an unfortunate ruling by the Supreme Court, but that 1:54:04.840 --> 1:54:07.439 it doesn't matter because he's going to keep doing it. 1:54:07.640 --> 1:54:09.920 We're still doing the tariffs. Yeah, we've talked a lot 1:54:09.920 --> 1:54:10.200 about it. 1:54:10.200 --> 1:54:11.640 You know, there's going to be a certain point in 1:54:11.640 --> 1:54:14.200 this in this administration there where it's going to come 1:54:14.280 --> 1:54:17.000 down to a Supreme Court ruling saying that something he's 1:54:17.000 --> 1:54:19.200 doing is illegal and he's going to keep doing it anyway. 1:54:19.360 --> 1:54:22.160 He's already flirted with this in the past year. There's 1:54:22.200 --> 1:54:24.360 a few kind of more minor moments where, if not 1:54:24.400 --> 1:54:27.720 fully breaking a ruling, was bending it to a near buckle. Yeah, 1:54:27.760 --> 1:54:29.519 but like this is I think this is the most 1:54:29.560 --> 1:54:34.160 blatant incident so far of the President just blatantly ignoring 1:54:34.200 --> 1:54:37.320 and then defying as Supreme Court ruling. And then he 1:54:37.360 --> 1:54:39.320 talked about how, you know, ideally tariffs will take the 1:54:39.320 --> 1:54:42.560 place of income tax, which sure man. 1:54:43.200 --> 1:54:45.440 Good luck with that. Yeah. Cool. 1:54:46.240 --> 1:54:47.720 He had a bit where he was like, we've worked 1:54:47.720 --> 1:54:49.920 out a new and totally legal way to do it. 1:54:49.960 --> 1:54:52.720 Is that when Nie mentioned that congressional action won't be 1:54:52.800 --> 1:54:54.760 necessary for the new tariffs. 1:54:54.800 --> 1:54:57.480 I think, yeah, there was some new and. 1:54:57.560 --> 1:55:00.720 Established I mean, because that would be the legal way 1:55:00.760 --> 1:55:03.240 to do it. That is, that's the power that Congress has. 1:55:03.320 --> 1:55:05.080 Yeah, yeah, we have their need to work it out, 1:55:05.320 --> 1:55:07.240 like we've got that one COVID. 1:55:07.520 --> 1:55:08.320 Oh my god. 1:55:09.200 --> 1:55:14.400 Do you want to talk about the rate Player Protection Pledge? Yes, sure, yes, 1:55:15.080 --> 1:55:18.360 the idea that tech companies will have to provide their 1:55:18.400 --> 1:55:22.160 own power to the data centers popping up around the country, 1:55:22.760 --> 1:55:27.200 lowering energy costs for residents of these neighborhoods. 1:55:27.640 --> 1:55:30.560 Yeah, and this is relevant for a couple of reasons. 1:55:31.120 --> 1:55:35.040 He's talking about allowing Basically, the issue is that all 1:55:35.040 --> 1:55:38.240 of these data centers have increased electricity costs for a 1:55:38.280 --> 1:55:40.440 lot of Americans, and he's claiming we're going to put 1:55:40.480 --> 1:55:44.520 that on the tech companies by allowing them to make 1:55:44.680 --> 1:55:49.320 their own power plants. Like that's probably, he says, by 1:55:49.360 --> 1:55:52.760 making them responsible for funding the power that their data 1:55:52.760 --> 1:55:55.200 centers cost. But specifically, the way this is supposed to 1:55:55.200 --> 1:55:57.520 work is by letting them build power plants. 1:55:57.720 --> 1:56:00.640 Is that explicitly laid out in this plan, because the 1:56:00.680 --> 1:56:02.320 way he said it certainly was unclear. 1:56:03.040 --> 1:56:05.480 I mean he said they're going to have power plants. 1:56:05.880 --> 1:56:09.200 The direct statement was like tech companies will be operating 1:56:09.240 --> 1:56:12.400 power plants that they're using to fuel these facilities. And 1:56:12.440 --> 1:56:15.240 that's like in line with lobbying Silicon Valley he's been 1:56:15.240 --> 1:56:17.320 doing for years to make it easier for them to 1:56:17.320 --> 1:56:20.400 create small nuclear reactors, like this has been for the 1:56:20.480 --> 1:56:24.720 last like several years. Silicon Valley interests, including like KRO's Power, 1:56:25.200 --> 1:56:28.839 have been pushing to make it a lot easier regulation 1:56:28.880 --> 1:56:32.600 wise to operate small nuclear plants. Like that's definitely what 1:56:32.640 --> 1:56:33.600 he was referring to. 1:56:35.120 --> 1:56:37.000 That's great. Feel good about that. 1:56:37.520 --> 1:56:40.120 Yeah, I mean there's a good BBC article on it 1:56:40.120 --> 1:56:42.560 from like twenty twenty five with the title why Big 1:56:42.560 --> 1:56:45.160 Tech's nuclear plans could blow up, But it features like 1:56:45.200 --> 1:56:48.240 a lot of quotes from guys at AI companies and 1:56:48.320 --> 1:56:51.880 at Google talking about like small nuclear reactors can provide 1:56:51.920 --> 1:56:55.200 twenty four to seven clean energy near data centers. According 1:56:55.200 --> 1:56:57.960 to Hyder Raza, an expert in AI and energy use 1:56:58.000 --> 1:57:00.560 at the University of Essex. There's a lot of these 1:57:00.960 --> 1:57:02.800 quotes that have been going around for years. So when 1:57:02.840 --> 1:57:05.320 I heard Trump say they'll have their own power plants, 1:57:05.560 --> 1:57:07.520 that's what I read it in the context of. 1:57:08.160 --> 1:57:11.480 Okay, and he just he says big tech companies. He 1:57:11.480 --> 1:57:12.400 didn't list out like. 1:57:12.400 --> 1:57:14.280 Who's Yeah, he doesn't who who that. 1:57:14.200 --> 1:57:17.400 Would be, because it's just like not a thought out plan. 1:57:17.520 --> 1:57:19.680 It's just something for a headline. 1:57:19.880 --> 1:57:22.600 Yeah, this is like the kind of conclusion of years 1:57:22.600 --> 1:57:25.520 of lobbying for small nuclear plants on behalf of like 1:57:25.560 --> 1:57:27.840 big tech companies. And I'm not against the idea of 1:57:27.880 --> 1:57:30.360 more nuclear power. I am against the idea of letting 1:57:30.440 --> 1:57:31.040 open AI. 1:57:31.440 --> 1:57:33.520 Yeah, i'd be the ones who offer. 1:57:33.680 --> 1:57:37.040 A power plant of any kind. Yeah yeah, yeah. 1:57:37.040 --> 1:57:38.440 And having it in the State of the Union is 1:57:38.480 --> 1:57:41.160 something of a signal by him to them, right, like 1:57:41.960 --> 1:57:44.040 that they are like his constituency. 1:57:44.360 --> 1:57:44.560 Yeah. 1:57:44.560 --> 1:57:46.640 I think it's also, as gare noted, it's like a 1:57:47.360 --> 1:57:49.800 nod to the affordability thing, Like he's had to deal 1:57:49.800 --> 1:57:51.800 with that a lot because people can'tnot notice that things 1:57:51.840 --> 1:57:54.160 are getting more expensive. So he's promising your power bill 1:57:54.240 --> 1:57:56.000 will go down. Because I've done this thing. 1:57:56.440 --> 1:57:59.120 Yeah, talking of getting more expensive. He spent a while 1:57:59.200 --> 1:58:03.120 talking about prices, like how he'd gone around and he'd 1:58:03.160 --> 1:58:06.720 seen like one eighty five a gallon gas and blah 1:58:06.760 --> 1:58:09.360 blah blah. Like I thought it was interesting that clearly 1:58:09.880 --> 1:58:13.000 they understand right again, it shows that affordability is something 1:58:13.000 --> 1:58:15.920 that they know they're week on and he's trying to 1:58:16.280 --> 1:58:19.840 trying to, I guess, reinforce the areas where he feels 1:58:19.840 --> 1:58:22.720 stronger within that and not talk about the ones he doesn't. 1:58:22.760 --> 1:58:25.760 He talked about home prices, talked a lot about his 1:58:25.880 --> 1:58:27.360 Trump savings accounts. 1:58:27.800 --> 1:58:30.000 Yeah, the Trump accounts for for kids. 1:58:30.240 --> 1:58:33.320 If there is an infomercial vibe this day, Yeah, he 1:58:33.360 --> 1:58:34.360 plugged a couple. 1:58:34.200 --> 1:58:37.160 Of different Trump r X and accounts. 1:58:37.240 --> 1:58:40.480 Yeah, And he talked a lot about like I think, Rob, 1:58:40.560 --> 1:58:41.960 youve got the transcripts in front of you, if I'm 1:58:41.960 --> 1:58:44.360 not mistaken. He said that with a small investment, they 1:58:44.400 --> 1:58:48.120 could be worth one thousand dollars, hundred thousand dollars, one 1:58:48.200 --> 1:58:50.800 hundred thousand dollars by the time the person is eighteen. 1:58:51.080 --> 1:58:51.280 Yeah. 1:58:51.280 --> 1:58:53.280 The website describes it as we're building a long term 1:58:53.320 --> 1:58:56.280 financial security for millions of children by creating tax advantage 1:58:56.280 --> 1:58:59.000 investment accounts for you as citizens under the age of eighteen. 1:58:59.640 --> 1:59:03.160 It asked you to thought a form and then it says, 1:59:03.480 --> 1:59:06.760 get one thousand dollars for every American child born between 1:59:06.840 --> 1:59:10.040 January first, twenty twenty five in December thirty first, twenty 1:59:10.080 --> 1:59:12.600 twenty eight. The account is fully in your child's name, 1:59:12.600 --> 1:59:14.720 and you are the soul custodian until they turn eighteen. 1:59:14.920 --> 1:59:18.240 No contributions necessary, but you can deposit up to five 1:59:18.280 --> 1:59:22.680 thousand per year for maximum growth. That's what the website says. 1:59:22.920 --> 1:59:25.160 Yeah, Like and like if this is I guess to 1:59:25.200 --> 1:59:27.720 start off, this was like real. If it was real, 1:59:28.000 --> 1:59:30.320 then like I don't have a problem with the idea, 1:59:30.560 --> 1:59:34.160 Like it's okay, share, but that's my immediate question, especially 1:59:34.160 --> 1:59:38.160 since it seems like the big thing that he was 1:59:38.200 --> 1:59:40.480 harping on is that like this was funded in large 1:59:40.480 --> 1:59:43.040 part by like a six something billion dollars nation by 1:59:43.080 --> 1:59:43.720 the by the. 1:59:43.720 --> 1:59:45.440 Dells, by like Michael dellahs. 1:59:45.840 --> 1:59:48.960 Yeah, And so first off, I've used Dell computers, so I. 1:59:48.920 --> 1:59:51.720 Was immediately like, oh, this doesn't seem like it could 1:59:51.720 --> 1:59:52.160 be good. 1:59:53.600 --> 1:59:55.920 But yeah, I don't, like I don't know enough about 1:59:55.920 --> 1:59:58.320 this program to really know though, it's just like, my 1:59:58.640 --> 2:00:01.880 it's a Trump thing involving so I'm on edge. But 2:00:01.920 --> 2:00:03.280 what are we actually looking at here? 2:00:03.560 --> 2:00:03.760 Yeah? 2:00:03.840 --> 2:00:06.640 So I'm just going to work out the amount of 2:00:06.720 --> 2:00:10.200 interest it would take for that one thousand to turn 2:00:10.240 --> 2:00:15.360 into one hundred thousand in eighteen years if I just 2:00:15.440 --> 2:00:20.880 plug it into the inflation calculator. Yeah, even at sixteen percent, 2:00:20.960 --> 2:00:21.800 that's not doing it. 2:00:21.960 --> 2:00:22.200 Well. 2:00:22.280 --> 2:00:25.800 If they put that one thousand in Nividia stock five 2:00:25.880 --> 2:00:27.680 years ago, then it's certainly possible. 2:00:28.960 --> 2:00:29.880 Yeah, which I think. 2:00:29.920 --> 2:00:32.200 I think that's part of these accounts is that it's 2:00:32.280 --> 2:00:36.320 like it's tight end with stock investments. It seems it 2:00:36.360 --> 2:00:38.960 seems like it doesn't sound like it's just like a 2:00:39.000 --> 2:00:44.400 high yield savings account, right. The other Trump branded service 2:00:44.760 --> 2:00:47.880 that was advertised infomercial style during the State of the 2:00:47.920 --> 2:00:52.040 Union dress was Trump Rx, which is essentially Trump's version 2:00:52.240 --> 2:00:57.280 of Mark Cuban's cost Pluster Drugs website to get prescription 2:00:57.360 --> 2:01:01.960 drugs at very close to the cost of manufacturing, something 2:01:02.000 --> 2:01:04.480 that Trump reiterated multiple times that he did not name 2:01:04.520 --> 2:01:07.360 the Trump Accounts or trump Rx himself. 2:01:07.800 --> 2:01:08.000 Yeah. 2:01:08.400 --> 2:01:11.240 Sure, is this what the part when you tried to 2:01:11.360 --> 2:01:15.880 use a woman's IVF story for propaganda. Yeah, I really 2:01:16.120 --> 2:01:16.840 disliked that. 2:01:17.720 --> 2:01:18.960 Yes he did. 2:01:19.040 --> 2:01:21.960 He did one of these, like one of these people 2:01:22.520 --> 2:01:26.400 either brought in or sitting sitting high up in the pews. 2:01:26.840 --> 2:01:28.680 He tells a lot of these little stories throughout the 2:01:28.680 --> 2:01:31.080 State of the Union. He talked about a woman who 2:01:31.120 --> 2:01:33.480 was trying to do IVF and the drugs were very 2:01:33.480 --> 2:01:37.200 expensive and now thanks to Trump Orex's it's less money. 2:01:37.760 --> 2:01:40.480 Well, it's just obnoxious because Trump said that he was 2:01:40.680 --> 2:01:43.680 quote unquote the father of IVF and claimed to be 2:01:43.760 --> 2:01:47.960 able to provide resources for people that want to pursue IVF, 2:01:48.040 --> 2:01:50.560 and he has not fallen through on any of those promises. 2:01:50.720 --> 2:01:53.200 He signed some executive orders that. 2:01:53.120 --> 2:01:58.760 Did boo all and it's still an absolutely outrageous cost 2:01:59.200 --> 2:02:04.520 to do IVF and he's done nothing. He's done nothing. Yeah, 2:02:04.560 --> 2:02:06.640 So to use it as propaganda, I find it to 2:02:06.680 --> 2:02:07.879 be extremely offensive. 2:02:08.000 --> 2:02:11.600 Well yeah, sure, but there's a lot that's offensive about 2:02:11.640 --> 2:02:14.120 the propaganda he does in this, like about the things 2:02:14.160 --> 2:02:16.400 he uses for propaganda, all the murders and. 2:02:16.320 --> 2:02:20.360 Like that's I just didn't want to I just didn't 2:02:20.400 --> 2:02:22.400 want to skip over that because it's not going to 2:02:22.440 --> 2:02:24.120 get as much of a headline as some of the 2:02:24.200 --> 2:02:25.400 other horrific things he did. 2:02:25.400 --> 2:02:26.080 But it sucked. 2:02:26.400 --> 2:02:29.960 Yeah, yeah, what else sucks pretty hard? Rub it ads? 2:02:30.000 --> 2:02:31.520 Not the ads for this podcast. 2:02:32.040 --> 2:02:35.160 Oh no, absolutely not. No, I was thinking something entity different. 2:02:46.400 --> 2:02:47.840 All right, we are back. 2:02:49.360 --> 2:02:52.520 One thing that did get both both chambers of plotting 2:02:52.840 --> 2:02:55.879 to the surprise of Trump, because both for the Democrats 2:02:55.920 --> 2:02:59.160 applot again a little bit of the Republicans is he 2:02:59.200 --> 2:03:03.680 talked about the Stop Inside or Trading Act, which would somehow, 2:03:04.080 --> 2:03:06.600 I need to look into the actual actual bill itself, 2:03:06.960 --> 2:03:10.880 but restrict to Congress people from doing inside or trading. 2:03:11.240 --> 2:03:13.880 And this did cause a lot of applause on the 2:03:14.160 --> 2:03:17.120 on the Democrats side and some applause on the Republican side. 2:03:17.160 --> 2:03:20.640 And Trump remarked on both being interesting, and I made 2:03:20.640 --> 2:03:21.840 a Nancy Pelosi joke. 2:03:22.280 --> 2:03:24.800 She was there. They showed her later on. She was there. 2:03:25.080 --> 2:03:28.600 In terms of disruptions to the Democratic side, Al Green 2:03:28.760 --> 2:03:31.080 did a little protest thing at the beginning, and then 2:03:31.640 --> 2:03:34.120 during the section where Trump was talking about the Democrat 2:03:34.240 --> 2:03:37.800 DHS shut down, he told he told the room to 2:03:38.240 --> 2:03:42.000 stand up if you believe that that protecting American citizens 2:03:42.400 --> 2:03:46.520 is more important than protecting illegal immigrants or something something 2:03:46.520 --> 2:03:47.200 to that effect. 2:03:47.280 --> 2:03:50.960 Yeah, the role of the government is to protect American citizens, 2:03:51.040 --> 2:03:53.920 right like, yes, not illegal immigrants. 2:03:54.640 --> 2:03:58.680 And this caused a shouting back and forth between Alan 2:03:58.760 --> 2:04:01.880 o'mar and Trump would which lasted for lasted for quite 2:04:01.880 --> 2:04:04.920 a while. I wasn't able to hear very much on 2:04:04.960 --> 2:04:08.160 the car to newsfeed and it's there's I'm not seen 2:04:08.240 --> 2:04:09.760 much reporting on it yet because we were recording this 2:04:09.920 --> 2:04:11.200 literally minutes after. 2:04:12.120 --> 2:04:14.200 She shouted that he's killing Americans. 2:04:14.400 --> 2:04:18.080 Okay, that makes sense, Okay, yeah, yeah, which accurate? Which 2:04:18.120 --> 2:04:20.400 which he is? That is That is a solid That 2:04:20.520 --> 2:04:21.400 is a solid retort. 2:04:21.520 --> 2:04:24.720 And when you're talking about the DHS shutdown and standing 2:04:24.760 --> 2:04:27.600 up for American citizens as American citizens are being gotten 2:04:27.640 --> 2:04:31.000 down by the DHS, that is a fine retort, a 2:04:31.000 --> 2:04:33.840 retort that was mirrored in the Democratic response, which we 2:04:33.920 --> 2:04:38.600 might talk about an executive disorder tomorrow. He mentioned trans 2:04:38.720 --> 2:04:41.160 people kind of one time in the speech close to 2:04:41.200 --> 2:04:45.760 the middle. He talked about how a school socially transitioned 2:04:46.240 --> 2:04:50.200 someone without telling parents. This this kid ran away from 2:04:50.200 --> 2:04:53.680 home and then a left wing judge refused to return 2:04:53.680 --> 2:04:56.400 the child home. And this this person who was who 2:04:56.440 --> 2:04:58.640 was at the time a trans a trans guy was 2:04:58.680 --> 2:05:02.320 sent to an all always stay home but is now 2:05:02.360 --> 2:05:06.160 a proud young woman with a scholarship to Liberty University. 2:05:06.120 --> 2:05:07.680 Yeah. 2:05:08.120 --> 2:05:11.080 And this woman who is part of this little performance 2:05:11.120 --> 2:05:14.600 did this like zoomer finger gesture bit, Yeah. 2:05:14.600 --> 2:05:16.280 The Hailey Bieber hand gesture. 2:05:16.600 --> 2:05:18.000 Yeah, I'm hit with the kids. 2:05:18.200 --> 2:05:20.040 Yeah I'm not. I didn't know what you talking about. 2:05:20.080 --> 2:05:23.120 It was annoying, like we need more normal d transitioners. 2:05:23.160 --> 2:05:25.280 But if you are, you just never are never going 2:05:25.280 --> 2:05:26.360 to show up to anything like this? 2:05:26.720 --> 2:05:29.480 No, yeah, yeah, right, yeah, who wants to have the 2:05:29.520 --> 2:05:32.280 President of the United States talk about your transition? 2:05:32.640 --> 2:05:35.960 You know what, when Joe Biden gets gets elected again, 2:05:36.120 --> 2:05:38.160 I'll show up. I'll show up at the State of 2:05:38.200 --> 2:05:41.360 the Union, Joe. 2:05:43.520 --> 2:05:44.400 I think it could happen. 2:05:45.640 --> 2:05:47.480 You know, stranger things have. 2:05:48.280 --> 2:05:50.680 But you know, Trump's line after this was, you know, 2:05:50.840 --> 2:05:54.960 talking about how there's all these transitions happening without telling parents, 2:05:55.000 --> 2:05:57.400 and the quote we must ban it and we must 2:05:57.440 --> 2:06:01.760 ban it immediately. Whatever the trans stuff was all was 2:06:01.800 --> 2:06:05.960 all in relation to miners transitioning without rental approval. That 2:06:06.120 --> 2:06:08.720 was Trump's framing for the entirety of the transition stuff. 2:06:08.920 --> 2:06:10.400 It wasn't expanded beyond that. 2:06:10.760 --> 2:06:13.000 He did go off script to be like, these people 2:06:13.040 --> 2:06:14.320 are crazy, you're in that. 2:06:14.600 --> 2:06:17.720 Yeah, when the Democrats didn't applaud for his transcommence, he did, 2:06:17.760 --> 2:06:20.280 he did start talking about how, you know, deranged the 2:06:20.480 --> 2:06:21.240 Democrats are. 2:06:21.440 --> 2:06:24.400 He said, shame on you. Shan like got like a 2:06:24.600 --> 2:06:26.240 kind of a chant going almost. 2:06:26.400 --> 2:06:28.760 There was a lot of shame stuff back and forth 2:06:28.800 --> 2:06:30.920 in this section, say same thing during the like the 2:06:30.960 --> 2:06:32.960 stand up of you believe that the role of governments 2:06:32.960 --> 2:06:34.120 to protect American citizens. 2:06:34.320 --> 2:06:37.680 Yeah, those were the most like out and out fascist 2:06:37.680 --> 2:06:44.240 moments of this whole thing. Yes, like that in my opinion, Yeah. 2:06:43.160 --> 2:06:45.480 We got a Kirk moment after this trans thing. Talked 2:06:45.480 --> 2:06:48.480 about this renewal in Christianity among young people thanks to 2:06:48.560 --> 2:06:49.920 one Charlie Kirk who was. 2:06:49.920 --> 2:06:51.080 Martyred for his beliefs. 2:06:51.160 --> 2:06:53.560 Yeah, they you know, charted out Erica to do her 2:06:53.720 --> 2:06:56.400 like shtick that she's been perfecting for the past like 2:06:56.480 --> 2:06:57.600 six months. 2:06:57.640 --> 2:07:04.520 Surprisingly, no like fire or sparkers or anything. 2:07:04.760 --> 2:07:09.640 It was hard to recognize her without the fireworks. Then 2:07:10.000 --> 2:07:13.480 after this section, after the Charlie Kirk Christianity section, after 2:07:13.520 --> 2:07:17.160 the Saint Kirk section ended, it really became a military 2:07:17.160 --> 2:07:20.360 pageant for the rest. It got very metal gear solid 2:07:20.440 --> 2:07:24.320 correct for the final final, you know, forty five minutes, 2:07:24.360 --> 2:07:27.040 where he brought up a whole bunch of people and 2:07:27.040 --> 2:07:31.040 gave gave the medals as we've discussed, and then recounted 2:07:31.080 --> 2:07:36.160 the Maduro extraction. Yeah, in an extremely metal gear solid style. 2:07:36.760 --> 2:07:40.800 You talked about, you know, the bombing the Iranian nuclear facilities. 2:07:40.840 --> 2:07:44.080 He talked about bombing drug smugglers and remarked that we 2:07:44.200 --> 2:07:48.800 quote seriously damaged their fishing industry unquote, which is a 2:07:48.800 --> 2:07:51.240 little joke about how the people that they blew up 2:07:51.320 --> 2:07:53.760 might have just been fishermen, not actually drug smugglers. 2:07:53.800 --> 2:07:55.919 Well, in a joke about how, like the fishing industry 2:07:55.960 --> 2:07:59.240 has collapsed because people are too scared to get murdered 2:07:59.240 --> 2:08:02.800 by the US to go fish, so they support their families. 2:08:03.120 --> 2:08:04.880 Yeah, in addition to the fact that they were already 2:08:04.880 --> 2:08:07.800 struggling to afford fuel for like I know, Venezuela and 2:08:07.800 --> 2:08:10.640 fishermen wotings won't going great for them. 2:08:11.000 --> 2:08:13.480 Talked about how Hamas had to dig through piles of 2:08:13.560 --> 2:08:17.200 hundreds of bodies to find some of the slain hostages 2:08:17.240 --> 2:08:20.080 to return them as a part of the negotiations between 2:08:20.200 --> 2:08:24.720 Trump Moss and Israel and boasted that he had ended 2:08:24.920 --> 2:08:29.360 ten wars, and Marco Rubio looked a little soulless. 2:08:29.960 --> 2:08:32.520 Yeah, Marky, mark I took a little. 2:08:32.320 --> 2:08:35.360 Bit of a note on Marco Rubio because he said 2:08:35.400 --> 2:08:38.720 he will go down as the best ever Secretary of State, 2:08:38.800 --> 2:08:41.960 and it seemed like he was really throwing his support 2:08:42.040 --> 2:08:46.200 towards Marco Versus Vance tonight at the State of the Union. 2:08:46.520 --> 2:08:48.640 No, because Vance is now in charge of the War 2:08:48.720 --> 2:08:53.000 on fraud. The totally real thing. Yeah, yeah, that is happening, 2:08:53.680 --> 2:08:56.280 which Trump announced is JD. Vance's new role is to 2:08:56.280 --> 2:08:58.120 be in charge of the War on fraud. 2:08:59.320 --> 2:09:02.240 Great pig, JD Vance War Fraud. 2:09:03.840 --> 2:09:04.960 But do you want do you want to talk a 2:09:04.960 --> 2:09:08.040 little bit more about this, like medical gear solid, Hideo 2:09:08.160 --> 2:09:11.560 Kajima military pageant finale to this speech. 2:09:12.000 --> 2:09:15.160 Yeah, well I know about Hideo kajimas he tweeted in 2:09:15.200 --> 2:09:18.640 support of the FDF and then deleted it sad. Yeah. 2:09:18.680 --> 2:09:21.440 Wow, you live by the tweet, you die by the tweet. 2:09:22.320 --> 2:09:24.760 A lot of this was kind of textbook FASCI stuff, 2:09:25.160 --> 2:09:28.280 not to like, you know, overly belabor the point, but 2:09:28.960 --> 2:09:32.400 the bringing out of the survivors and victims of crime, 2:09:33.280 --> 2:09:37.440 the parading of military heroes, right, Like you can just 2:09:37.520 --> 2:09:41.080 go to Robert Paxton's book, which I have just over there, 2:09:41.120 --> 2:09:42.600 but I'm not going to read from it right now, 2:09:42.760 --> 2:09:45.440 Anatomy of Fascism. Yeah, see Anatomy of Fascism, and you 2:09:45.440 --> 2:09:47.760 can start checking off the list and you see so 2:09:47.920 --> 2:09:49.040 much of it here, right Yeah. 2:09:49.040 --> 2:09:50.839 I mean a mix of like you know, war veterans, 2:09:50.880 --> 2:09:53.360 World War Two. Trump had a lot of this to 2:09:53.680 --> 2:09:55.680 seventeen seventy six, the fact that the two hundred and 2:09:55.680 --> 2:09:57.760 fifty anniversary of the United States is coming up. 2:09:57.840 --> 2:10:01.320 Yeah, and then the national betrayal and the Scapegoat Group 2:10:01.360 --> 2:10:03.240 and him being the renovation. 2:10:03.360 --> 2:10:04.760 Like we got it all baby. 2:10:05.760 --> 2:10:09.200 Yeah. His speech read like he looked at Paxton has 2:10:09.240 --> 2:10:12.760 these motivating passions of fascism, and it looks like he 2:10:12.840 --> 2:10:14.880 kind of went down that as a checklist, as he 2:10:15.000 --> 2:10:17.280 was as whoever wrote this was writing it right like 2:10:17.520 --> 2:10:21.560 it has almost everything from that, the glorification of Marshall Valor, 2:10:21.640 --> 2:10:24.080 like I said, the blaming of Escapegoat group, like I 2:10:24.240 --> 2:10:27.800 alone can bring this nation back to great nurse things 2:10:27.800 --> 2:10:31.920 that were not new Fort Bragg is back, James, Yes, 2:10:32.240 --> 2:10:36.640 I believe different, a different different brag. Yeah, they found 2:10:36.720 --> 2:10:41.320 another guy called Brag, which he didn't mention. The Fort 2:10:41.320 --> 2:10:43.600 Bragg is back, but it's a different brag this time, 2:10:43.880 --> 2:10:46.040 and I'm sure just a coincidence it's the same as 2:10:46.040 --> 2:10:46.480 the first. 2:10:47.280 --> 2:10:49.680 But no, Robert, I think you're totally right that, like 2:10:49.720 --> 2:10:51.640 he started off by, you know, you have to adjust 2:10:51.640 --> 2:10:53.400 the economic stuff at the front because he ran on 2:10:53.440 --> 2:10:55.280 so much of it. But they want to get through 2:10:55.280 --> 2:10:57.720 that as quickly as possible. Then in order to try 2:10:57.760 --> 2:11:01.520 to coax this, like you, patriotic spirit, it devolves into 2:11:01.560 --> 2:11:06.160 this ceremony of like military greatness, of like returning to 2:11:06.320 --> 2:11:09.160 military greatness something that was lost and now we have Redone. 2:11:09.160 --> 2:11:12.320 You know, this was the most successful military operation in decades. 2:11:12.360 --> 2:11:14.880 I had four leaders calling me to congratulate me on it. 2:11:15.200 --> 2:11:18.480 You took down the Chinese and Russian defense systems. This 2:11:18.520 --> 2:11:21.120 guy's leg was ripped apart by bullets, but he still 2:11:21.200 --> 2:11:24.160 landed the chopper. Like so much of it becomes about, 2:11:24.400 --> 2:11:28.880 you know, the heroic moments done by other people to 2:11:29.920 --> 2:11:35.480 had pad around the actual fractured state of of Trump's 2:11:35.560 --> 2:11:36.800 of Trump's America. 2:11:36.600 --> 2:11:39.680 And waving the bloody shirt is a phrase you hear 2:11:39.920 --> 2:11:42.320 like it is a phrase you hear associated with fascist movements. 2:11:42.320 --> 2:11:45.400 It's literally referring to like a thing that happened during 2:11:45.440 --> 2:11:48.480 the rise of the Nazis, right as a result of 2:11:48.520 --> 2:11:51.080 like the murders of some of their street fighters. But 2:11:51.400 --> 2:11:54.760 that's I mean, like he's doing very much a version 2:11:54.800 --> 2:11:57.160 of that here, like including the fact that while he 2:11:57.240 --> 2:12:00.240 was talking about this attack on Venezuela and the that 2:12:00.320 --> 2:12:02.720 injured piloting the chopper, he spent like a lot of 2:12:02.720 --> 2:12:06.160 time talking about blood like sloshing around in the bottom 2:12:06.240 --> 2:12:08.800 of the of the of the flight down the aisle. 2:12:08.560 --> 2:12:11.440 The isle or whatever nil the isle of the chinook. 2:12:11.480 --> 2:12:13.560 The blood was streaming down, so all of the all 2:12:13.560 --> 2:12:15.560 the special forces in the back knew that the pilot 2:12:15.600 --> 2:12:18.640 was injured and that they were all at risk. Very bloody, 2:12:18.800 --> 2:12:21.040 very very bloody speech in general. 2:12:21.320 --> 2:12:22.560 Yeah, a lot of blood mentioned. 2:12:23.040 --> 2:12:26.000 There's Similarly, like the Lake and Riley sections of his 2:12:26.040 --> 2:12:28.760 State of the Union addressed last year were very similar, 2:12:29.080 --> 2:12:31.040 and he was trying to, you know, play play the 2:12:31.080 --> 2:12:33.920 hits in terms of how much that stuff, that stuff 2:12:33.960 --> 2:12:35.640 played well among his bass last year. He was trying 2:12:35.680 --> 2:12:38.680 to recreate that in a few moments when when one 2:12:38.720 --> 2:12:40.760 of the instances you have is you know, someone who 2:12:40.800 --> 2:12:45.320 was socially transitioned who now isn't and someone who was 2:12:45.360 --> 2:12:48.200 injured in a car accident, you know, not a murder. 2:12:48.200 --> 2:12:49.960 Those are two of your instances. It's starting to get 2:12:50.000 --> 2:12:52.200 weakened a little bit. He tried to use the Kirk 2:12:52.200 --> 2:12:54.920 assassination as one of these instances, and then one one 2:12:54.960 --> 2:12:58.120 instance of a stabbing that was a murder. Those were 2:12:58.120 --> 2:13:00.640 the bloody shirts that he was waving, as well as 2:13:00.800 --> 2:13:04.040 the National Guard and Jared Kushner. 2:13:04.920 --> 2:13:07.440 Kushner was that the mentioned him by name? I think 2:13:07.480 --> 2:13:09.760 more than once. It's always a jump scare for me. 2:13:10.480 --> 2:13:13.000 Yeah. He may have mentioned Kushner more than Vaughan's. 2:13:13.560 --> 2:13:14.839 Yes, definitely. 2:13:15.320 --> 2:13:18.480 He barely mentioned JD Bands, which is very interesting. 2:13:18.920 --> 2:13:19.920 Yeah. 2:13:20.200 --> 2:13:22.080 Does anybody else have any thoughts? 2:13:22.440 --> 2:13:24.280 No, it's ober. 2:13:24.400 --> 2:13:25.000 I'm glad. 2:13:25.360 --> 2:13:26.560 Yeah, let's be done with this. 2:13:26.840 --> 2:13:29.240 Let's be done with this. That I was it was 2:13:29.280 --> 2:13:30.280 too long to begin with. 2:13:30.440 --> 2:13:32.480 I wish we were finished with this state of the 2:13:32.560 --> 2:13:35.800 Union as soon as al Green was that's there's our 2:13:35.840 --> 2:13:38.160 reference to him getting for the second year in a row. 2:13:38.280 --> 2:13:39.880 Yeah, he's made to have it like. 2:13:39.840 --> 2:13:42.200 Plans dinner for halfway through We're like, don't. I'm not 2:13:42.200 --> 2:13:44.600 going to be there long. I'm gonna I'm gonna worry 2:13:44.600 --> 2:13:45.280 out immediately. 2:13:45.280 --> 2:13:46.160 Don't worry why not? 2:13:46.600 --> 2:13:48.680 And you know, if we decided there's more to talk about, 2:13:48.760 --> 2:13:50.880 we'll mention it on Edie. But for now, that's all 2:13:50.920 --> 2:13:51.360 we got. 2:13:51.760 --> 2:13:54.040 The Save America Act, he did mention, which we need 2:13:54.040 --> 2:13:56.120 to cover in depth very soon and. 2:13:56.160 --> 2:14:00.240 We will, yes, we will, but for now, I. 2:14:15.640 --> 2:14:19.040 This is it could happen here. Executive Disorder are weekly 2:14:19.080 --> 2:14:21.720 newscast covering what is happening in the White House, the 2:14:21.760 --> 2:14:24.480 crumbling of our world and what this means for you. 2:14:25.000 --> 2:14:27.720 I am James Stout and today I am joined by 2:14:27.880 --> 2:14:32.480 Sophie Lichtman and Mia What. This week, we're covering the 2:14:32.600 --> 2:14:37.640 week of February eighteenth to February twenty fifth. 2:14:37.920 --> 2:14:41.440 We'll also have a segment by one Garrison. Davis added 2:14:41.520 --> 2:14:44.360 on later they were out in the field covering a 2:14:44.440 --> 2:14:47.120 story which will be an episode coming out soon. 2:14:47.720 --> 2:14:51.840 But yeah, they were inside the capital, not the not 2:14:51.880 --> 2:14:56.040 the January States Capital. Yea, yeah, so around maumbarmy. I 2:14:56.120 --> 2:14:59.080 understand who's going to pardon them and it will be fine. 2:14:59.240 --> 2:15:03.120 Oh my gosh, seems like four people who actually believe this. 2:15:03.440 --> 2:15:07.839 Yeah, yeah, yeah, please don't take to the subreddit. Garrison 2:15:08.000 --> 2:15:12.320 has not been arrested. It's up to a couple of small things, 2:15:12.360 --> 2:15:15.080 I guess. Last week, the Georgia State Elections Board voted 2:15:15.120 --> 2:15:19.800 to reprimand Elon Musk's America Pack for mailing absentee ballot 2:15:19.800 --> 2:15:23.320 applications prey filled out with voting information during twenty twenty 2:15:23.320 --> 2:15:25.920 four elections that violates state law. 2:15:26.280 --> 2:15:27.879 Uh yeah, yeah. 2:15:27.920 --> 2:15:29.520 And they didn't they did this thing. I don't know 2:15:29.520 --> 2:15:32.040 if you remember this. They didn't indicate like it wasn't 2:15:32.040 --> 2:15:35.040 a ballot, it wasn't from the government to vote with, 2:15:35.720 --> 2:15:37.040 it was from Elon Musk. 2:15:37.440 --> 2:15:39.600 What that's so unhinged. 2:15:40.520 --> 2:15:43.800 Yeah, he was really on one back then. It'll be 2:15:43.800 --> 2:15:45.800 interesting to see how he approaches the mid terms with 2:15:45.840 --> 2:15:47.200 his America Party. 2:15:47.480 --> 2:15:52.520 Wow. Scotus did say that USPS is legally immune for 2:15:52.600 --> 2:15:56.520 intentionally missdelivered mail. They're basically saying, you know, and this 2:15:56.640 --> 2:16:00.200 was a five to four decision and it happened on Tuesday, 2:16:00.240 --> 2:16:03.040 February twenty fourth, that the US Postal Service can't be 2:16:03.120 --> 2:16:07.480 held liable for intentional failure to deliver mail only. 2:16:07.520 --> 2:16:09.760 Hinge's decision by the way that the actual the actual 2:16:09.760 --> 2:16:12.440 story behind it is this black woman who was renting 2:16:12.480 --> 2:16:15.480 property out to people and all the like. The people 2:16:15.520 --> 2:16:17.880 were pissed about it because they're racists, and so they 2:16:17.880 --> 2:16:21.200 were doing shit like intentionally not delivering bills and stuff. 2:16:21.200 --> 2:16:24.600 They were like locking their mailboxes with like locks that 2:16:24.640 --> 2:16:26.160 no one had the keys to because the post office 2:16:26.160 --> 2:16:29.520 people were just putting locks on it. And it got 2:16:29.640 --> 2:16:31.280 ruled that they have immunity for this. 2:16:31.960 --> 2:16:32.880 Wow. Bizarre. 2:16:33.280 --> 2:16:36.080 Yeah, I mean all of this just feels like it's 2:16:36.600 --> 2:16:41.279 being targeted for voter suppression. But yeah, that's a bigger story. 2:16:41.520 --> 2:16:46.119 Yeah, but it's also another case of Supreme Court says racism, Fine. 2:16:46.879 --> 2:16:48.359 Yeah, money such cases. 2:16:48.640 --> 2:16:51.320 Yeah, let's see. Uh that's the dog trine. The other 2:16:51.360 --> 2:16:54.119 thing was this this week is part of the DHS shutdown. 2:16:54.640 --> 2:16:58.039 Lewandowski and nom decided that they were going to shut 2:16:58.040 --> 2:17:02.279 down TSA, pre check and global so those people aren't familiar, 2:17:02.320 --> 2:17:06.000 are like expedited processing. One is for getting on the 2:17:06.080 --> 2:17:09.000 plane as you go for security there and the other 2:17:09.040 --> 2:17:10.879 one is for when you arrive in the United States 2:17:10.879 --> 2:17:15.680 and nuclear customes. That this lasted for like minutes. It 2:17:15.720 --> 2:17:24.240 seems to I think global entry is still paused. There 2:17:24.280 --> 2:17:26.440 are other ways in which having a global entry car 2:17:26.520 --> 2:17:29.840 can exploit your entry into the US. Still, but the 2:17:29.879 --> 2:17:33.400 pre check thing did not last very long because that 2:17:33.440 --> 2:17:36.039 would have probably pissed off all the wrong people, right, Like. 2:17:36.480 --> 2:17:41.520 Yeah, and also make lines even longer, which is airports 2:17:41.560 --> 2:17:44.160 are already a nightmare. Come on, come on, they. 2:17:44.040 --> 2:17:46.199 Would have gotten killed by the wrong congressional staffer. 2:17:47.959 --> 2:17:51.200 Right you think Ted Cruz doesn't have TSA pre check? 2:17:51.360 --> 2:17:55.920 Please the idea that like, Okay, so we're like, they're 2:17:55.959 --> 2:17:58.440 forcing all the TSA people to work anyway, right, because 2:17:58.440 --> 2:18:00.840 they are essential employees. But be like, if you can 2:18:00.840 --> 2:18:03.240 find a way to make those people work less, let's 2:18:03.240 --> 2:18:05.080 say by having a group of people who have been 2:18:05.120 --> 2:18:07.560 pre cleared so the TSA people don't have to spend 2:18:07.600 --> 2:18:08.640 quite a long checking them. 2:18:09.120 --> 2:18:09.760 That helps. 2:18:10.080 --> 2:18:12.959 Actually, this is not a cost saving measure. This is 2:18:13.240 --> 2:18:15.320 clearly to try to punish people and put it on 2:18:15.360 --> 2:18:15.840 the dems. 2:18:16.040 --> 2:18:19.160 I simply have TSA pre check just so I don't 2:18:19.200 --> 2:18:21.720 have to take off my shoes, and because it brings 2:18:21.720 --> 2:18:23.520 me great joy when I get to ditch people who 2:18:23.640 --> 2:18:28.199 do not have love ditching Robert Evans at the airport 2:18:29.040 --> 2:18:31.840 and every time we travel together, it's a battle who 2:18:31.840 --> 2:18:34.920 will get through the line first, And one time it 2:18:34.959 --> 2:18:38.840 was him and he was like, ah, you know what 2:18:38.920 --> 2:18:43.520 I deserve that a prettiest years of a previous job 2:18:43.680 --> 2:18:48.600 bought me that PSA prew check and I've had it 2:18:48.640 --> 2:18:52.800 for years and wow, I love not taking my shoes off. 2:18:53.280 --> 2:18:53.800 That's it. 2:18:53.959 --> 2:18:57.040 That's the only person for me. I'm like, Wow, get 2:18:57.160 --> 2:19:01.480 to wear shoes first worldbum. 2:19:02.040 --> 2:19:09.000 Oh yeah, let's talk briefly about Mexico. 2:19:09.400 --> 2:19:11.760 Yes, oh god, dramatic tone shift. 2:19:12.080 --> 2:19:14.240 Yeah yeah, yeah, well you know you might use your 2:19:14.320 --> 2:19:16.400 pre check on a trip to Mexico. 2:19:16.560 --> 2:19:16.800 Wow. 2:19:17.640 --> 2:19:18.119 Transition. 2:19:18.240 --> 2:19:21.039 Wow, yeah, that's a transition. That's what we do here, 2:19:21.080 --> 2:19:26.920 I see, Yeah, professional podcasting. The Mexican military killed Elemento 2:19:27.160 --> 2:19:31.560 on Sunday. Mencho's legal name is Nemesio where a servantees. 2:19:31.800 --> 2:19:34.280 He was, of course the leader of the CJ and G, 2:19:34.600 --> 2:19:36.840 which is I guess the English translation would be like 2:19:36.920 --> 2:19:41.560 the Hallisco Cartel new Generation. The Spanish acronym is how 2:19:41.560 --> 2:19:44.480 it's generally used. He was also the most wanted person 2:19:44.560 --> 2:19:50.520 in Mexico. The operation was carried out by the Mexican military. 2:19:51.400 --> 2:19:54.720 I've seen some reports they didn't notify local law enforcement 2:19:54.800 --> 2:19:57.720 so he wouldn't be tipped off now. Mento is reported 2:19:57.760 --> 2:20:01.280 to have died on a military flight after the raid, 2:20:01.720 --> 2:20:04.160 so have been injured in the raid and then died 2:20:04.480 --> 2:20:07.320 on the way back to Mexico City, where he was 2:20:07.360 --> 2:20:10.440 obviously going to be treated, and then questioned if he survived. 2:20:10.440 --> 2:20:12.800 I guess in response, more than two hundred and fifty 2:20:12.879 --> 2:20:16.119 nar called blockadoes knuckle blockades, if you're not familiar, are 2:20:16.879 --> 2:20:20.160 roadblocks that are generally made up of vehicles that are carjacked. 2:20:20.200 --> 2:20:23.199 They're often like buses, and then they're set a blaze 2:20:23.280 --> 2:20:25.400 that they're set at ninety degrees to the direction of 2:20:25.400 --> 2:20:27.280 travel of the road right, so it makes a roadblock. 2:20:27.600 --> 2:20:28.840 So more than two hundred and fifty of these were 2:20:28.840 --> 2:20:34.520 set up around the country. This is a relatively common response. 2:20:35.080 --> 2:20:37.959 The most I guess like serious response we've seen to 2:20:38.080 --> 2:20:41.880 a government action before was called the Kolia Kanasso Couliacan 2:20:42.040 --> 2:20:43.840 was in a lower cartel. This this one they're calling 2:20:43.879 --> 2:20:47.440 the men jassel right, using the same etymology. I guess. 2:20:48.160 --> 2:20:52.080 There have also been a tax on Mexican National Guard troops, 2:20:52.160 --> 2:20:54.760 killing more than two dozen in twenty four hours following 2:20:54.800 --> 2:20:59.720 the raids. More than sixty civilians I've now been reported 2:20:59.720 --> 2:21:05.080 to being killed, including a pregnant woman. Yeah, it's all like, 2:21:05.879 --> 2:21:08.800 it's folks in Mexico who are going to suffer, right, 2:21:08.879 --> 2:21:11.400 Like it's everyday people trying to get on with their lives. 2:21:11.840 --> 2:21:14.800 Another of the things that happened is the bank will Benstar, 2:21:15.040 --> 2:21:17.480 so like well being bank, I guess I would translate 2:21:17.480 --> 2:21:20.240 that as it's a bank that exists to bring people 2:21:20.280 --> 2:21:24.080 into the banking system who would otherwise be unbanked. It's 2:21:24.120 --> 2:21:27.039 a government initiative in Mexico, so a lot of branches 2:21:27.080 --> 2:21:30.480 of that bank have been burnt down. This is part 2:21:30.480 --> 2:21:32.800 of a tendency on the part of shinen balm Right 2:21:32.879 --> 2:21:37.200 to repudiate the previous policy of hugs not bullets, and 2:21:37.600 --> 2:21:42.560 to go after organized crime in Mexico more violently. I guess. 2:21:43.040 --> 2:21:46.080 It seems like the country's security forces have been leading 2:21:46.080 --> 2:21:49.000 the charge against the seen a Lower cartel, and this 2:21:49.080 --> 2:21:51.360 may be indicates that it's the military who were going 2:21:51.440 --> 2:21:55.160 after the Hallischoo cartel. So like the two branches are 2:21:55.200 --> 2:22:01.119 pursuing separate missions against against different entities. Right, it remains 2:22:01.200 --> 2:22:03.800 to be seen if there was any US involvement. I 2:22:03.920 --> 2:22:09.240 kind of take issue at the Niegiac suggestion that there 2:22:09.280 --> 2:22:12.800 has to have been US involvement. Like, the Mexican government 2:22:12.840 --> 2:22:15.039 is more than capable of doing state violence. It has 2:22:15.080 --> 2:22:17.240 done so for a long time. Ye, you know, the 2:22:17.280 --> 2:22:19.560 Mexican government is capable of acting on its own. Not 2:22:19.680 --> 2:22:22.640 everything that happens is about America. I don't want to 2:22:22.720 --> 2:22:25.040 cover this in too great of a detail. It's not 2:22:25.080 --> 2:22:27.600 really a beat that we report on other than this 2:22:27.840 --> 2:22:30.320 is a relatively major occurrence in Mexico. 2:22:30.720 --> 2:22:37.000 Yeah, and Gear is gonna plug in now, future Gear, 2:22:37.520 --> 2:22:38.480 tell us what you got. 2:22:39.160 --> 2:22:39.440 Hello. 2:22:39.680 --> 2:22:43.039 Garrison Davis here with Sophie Leuchterman for a special segment 2:22:43.600 --> 2:22:48.320 about the Super Bowl commercial for Ring the Doorbell, owned 2:22:48.320 --> 2:22:52.279 by Amazon Yep. During the Super Bowl, Amazon's Ring Doorbell 2:22:52.360 --> 2:22:56.199 air commercial showing off a new feature called search Party, 2:22:56.720 --> 2:23:01.240 which was advertised as a way to locate lost by 2:23:01.320 --> 2:23:04.760 automatically searching through footage captured by ring cameras in the 2:23:04.760 --> 2:23:06.760 neighborhood to track of pet's movements. 2:23:07.040 --> 2:23:10.000 Ooh, who picked the name search party? And who thought 2:23:10.040 --> 2:23:11.039 that wasn't creepy? 2:23:11.240 --> 2:23:13.440 Search Party is interesting because it makes you think of 2:23:13.480 --> 2:23:16.320 like a crime scene. Yes, that is a brain link 2:23:16.320 --> 2:23:20.280 that they may not have intended. Let's play, yes, please 2:23:20.640 --> 2:23:24.840 the audio from this commercial because, as Sophie discussed before, 2:23:24.879 --> 2:23:28.480 we started this segment where we're unsure of the overlap 2:23:28.520 --> 2:23:31.160 of it could happen here listeners and Super Bowl watchers. 2:23:31.480 --> 2:23:35.879 So here is the Ring commercial audio. It's thirty seconds. 2:23:35.920 --> 2:23:37.680 This is Milow pets or family. 2:23:38.800 --> 2:23:41.800 But every year ten million go missing, and the way 2:23:41.840 --> 2:23:44.400 we look for them hasn't changed in years. 2:23:45.800 --> 2:23:46.600 Until now. 2:23:47.120 --> 2:23:48.960 One post of a dog's photo in the Ring app 2:23:49.000 --> 2:23:51.800 starts outdoor cameras looking for a match. Search Party from 2:23:51.879 --> 2:23:54.520 Ring uses AI to help families find lost dogs. 2:23:54.680 --> 2:23:55.640 Since launch, more. 2:23:55.560 --> 2:23:57.920 Than a dog a day has been reunited with their family. 2:23:58.000 --> 2:24:01.000 Be a hero in your neighborhood with search available to 2:24:01.080 --> 2:24:05.040 everyone for free right now, Join the neighborhood at Ring 2:24:05.160 --> 2:24:05.800 dot com. 2:24:06.400 --> 2:24:07.560 Join the neighborhood. 2:24:08.280 --> 2:24:08.320 No. 2:24:08.879 --> 2:24:10.480 Also, when did they launch this? 2:24:10.680 --> 2:24:14.560 Do we know it's launched? I'm pretty sure search parties launched. 2:24:14.600 --> 2:24:16.560 I just don't believe that Dog and Day bullshit. 2:24:17.680 --> 2:24:20.640 It launched in late twenty twenty five, Okay, And I 2:24:20.680 --> 2:24:23.560 can speak to this a little bit more, actually sure 2:24:23.680 --> 2:24:27.039 because I saw this feature early when I was in 2:24:27.120 --> 2:24:32.600 Las Vegas actually right this commercial. This intends to portray, 2:24:32.680 --> 2:24:36.440 you know, a heartwarming unification of a dog and its owner, 2:24:36.560 --> 2:24:41.240 but in effect the ad sparked public backlash, including from 2:24:41.280 --> 2:24:47.080 politicians like Massachusetts Senator Ed Markey, and privacy rights organizations 2:24:47.440 --> 2:24:53.040 and among normies, because this ad accidentally demonstrated the technological 2:24:53.120 --> 2:24:56.959 capacity to turn every neighborhood ring camera into a web 2:24:56.959 --> 2:25:00.160 of surveillance that AI can use to locate anything. 2:25:00.160 --> 2:25:01.600 Based on a picture. 2:25:02.160 --> 2:25:05.080 Now, as I said, I saw this feature unveiled at 2:25:05.160 --> 2:25:08.800 CEES last month. I talked about it on Better Offline. 2:25:09.160 --> 2:25:13.400 At ces the AI search functionality was described like this. 2:25:14.080 --> 2:25:16.280 The owner of a lost pet can upload a photo 2:25:16.560 --> 2:25:19.520 and post a notice in the ring app an Amazon 2:25:19.560 --> 2:25:22.080 will utilize ring cameras in the area to search for matches, 2:25:22.080 --> 2:25:24.200 and if a match is found, the owner of the 2:25:24.240 --> 2:25:26.360 camera can share the footage with the owner of the 2:25:26.400 --> 2:25:29.960 lost pet. But the public display this technology during the 2:25:29.959 --> 2:25:33.840 Super Bowl has stirred trouble and bad headlines for Amazon. 2:25:34.200 --> 2:25:35.560 Senator Ed Markey said that the. 2:25:35.520 --> 2:25:39.240 Ad quote exposed a scary truth the technology in its 2:25:39.320 --> 2:25:42.119 doorbell cameras can be used to hunt down a lost 2:25:42.160 --> 2:25:48.119 pet or a person. Americans oppose this creepy surveillance state unquote, 2:25:48.320 --> 2:25:51.600 and the privacy rights organization the Electronic Frontier Foundation wrote 2:25:51.600 --> 2:25:54.160 in a statement that the ad was quote unquote disguised 2:25:54.160 --> 2:25:59.119 as heartfelt, but actually quote previewed future surveillance of our streets, 2:25:59.360 --> 2:26:03.000 a world where biometric identification could be unleashed from consumer 2:26:03.040 --> 2:26:08.240 devices to identify, track, and locate anything human, pet, or otherwise. 2:26:08.600 --> 2:26:08.920 Quote. 2:26:09.680 --> 2:26:13.320 Now, these concerns are in the wake of high profile 2:26:13.360 --> 2:26:17.600 ICE rates targeting neighborhoods, and a recent announcement that RING 2:26:17.959 --> 2:26:21.480 was going to partner with the police surveillance company Flock, 2:26:22.120 --> 2:26:26.920 which operates large scale, integrated camera systems that allow police 2:26:26.959 --> 2:26:31.480 to tap into a network of surveillance in urban areas 2:26:31.879 --> 2:26:37.120 through cameras and license plate readers. Now, Flock claims that 2:26:37.200 --> 2:26:41.920 they do not give federal immigration agencies direct access to footage, 2:26:42.320 --> 2:26:44.000 and that may be true, that. 2:26:43.879 --> 2:26:46.720 Doesn't mean that won't change that they don't have capability 2:26:46.760 --> 2:26:47.279 to do. 2:26:47.200 --> 2:26:50.040 So well, and that doesn't mean that CBP and ICE 2:26:50.160 --> 2:26:54.800 can't acquire that footage in an other ways and currently 2:26:54.879 --> 2:26:57.800 right now, a four h four media report from last 2:26:57.920 --> 2:27:02.520 May showed that local police working with ICE used Flock's 2:27:02.600 --> 2:27:05.200 camera network to track immigrants as a part of ICE 2:27:05.280 --> 2:27:09.720 and homeland security investigations, so they are getting access to 2:27:09.760 --> 2:27:12.480 this footage even though they aren't directly tapped into the 2:27:12.560 --> 2:27:16.000 Flock network because they can work with local agencies in 2:27:16.320 --> 2:27:20.200 states that do not have sanctuary city policies and in 2:27:20.280 --> 2:27:23.240 states that maybe do, because police. 2:27:22.920 --> 2:27:25.400 May not be always following those laws. 2:27:25.959 --> 2:27:29.160 Ring, not Flock, says that their footage can be requested 2:27:29.160 --> 2:27:31.640 by local law enforcement and users can decide whether or 2:27:31.680 --> 2:27:35.680 not to respond, though Ring is also subject to warrens 2:27:35.680 --> 2:27:39.680 of subpoenas and court orders requiring some footage be handed 2:27:39.720 --> 2:27:43.520 over to authorities. Following the backlash to the Super Bowl ad, 2:27:44.080 --> 2:27:48.760 Ring canceled its partnership with Flock in what the companies 2:27:48.760 --> 2:27:52.160 describe as a mutual decision. The deal would have allowed 2:27:52.240 --> 2:27:55.440 Ring owners to directly share footage with the Flock network. 2:27:55.800 --> 2:27:56.080 Now. 2:27:56.320 --> 2:28:00.440 All of this happened around the same time that the 2:28:00.520 --> 2:28:05.640 FBI was able to access recorded footage from Nancy Guthrie's 2:28:05.720 --> 2:28:09.160 Google Nest camera as a part of that kidnapping investigation, 2:28:09.840 --> 2:28:14.920 despite Guthrie not having an active recording subscription, so this 2:28:15.080 --> 2:28:19.760 too sparked privacy concerns. Cash Rettel FBI director said that 2:28:19.840 --> 2:28:24.119 the footage was recovered from quote residual data located in 2:28:24.200 --> 2:28:29.040 back end systems. This was footage that Google records and 2:28:29.120 --> 2:28:32.440 stores for free on a temporary basis, usually for a 2:28:32.480 --> 2:28:35.280 few hours before it is quote unquote deleted. So if 2:28:35.280 --> 2:28:37.480 you have one of these Nest cameras, Google will store 2:28:38.120 --> 2:28:39.959 a few hours of footage for you to look at 2:28:40.000 --> 2:28:42.400 for free and then says that it's going to quote 2:28:42.440 --> 2:28:46.240 unquote deleted, and Nest owners can pay a reoccurring fee 2:28:46.400 --> 2:28:49.800 to keep that footage accessible on the Google Cloud for longer. 2:28:50.040 --> 2:28:53.520 Guthrie did not have such a subscription, so this data 2:28:53.600 --> 2:28:57.000 that was recorded was marked for deletion. But data deletion 2:28:57.240 --> 2:29:00.840 is not an immediate process. It just a piece of 2:29:00.920 --> 2:29:04.119 data as being okay to write over with new data, 2:29:04.840 --> 2:29:09.160 which means until that happens, fragments of that data can 2:29:09.200 --> 2:29:13.080 be retrieved and pieced back together. But this can be 2:29:13.240 --> 2:29:16.040 tricky and take a lot of time, and in this case, 2:29:16.080 --> 2:29:20.840 it took Google over a week for a very high profile. 2:29:20.440 --> 2:29:24.160 Case, and they're still working behind the scenes to retrieve 2:29:24.280 --> 2:29:27.440 even more footage. Yeah, from this Nest camera. 2:29:27.760 --> 2:29:28.800 It's it's not easy. 2:29:28.840 --> 2:29:31.880 I think the sort of privacy concerns for this case 2:29:32.120 --> 2:29:35.880 do not reflect largely for I think most people's concerns 2:29:35.959 --> 2:29:38.320 because the specific way Google stores it footage in the 2:29:38.320 --> 2:29:40.800 cloud is also unique to the Google Nest system. 2:29:40.959 --> 2:29:42.840 Ring doesn't do it in this same way. 2:29:43.040 --> 2:29:48.480 They also ended up outsourcing this to private security retrievers 2:29:48.920 --> 2:29:53.600 for data retrievers, as opposed to doing it internally either 2:29:53.920 --> 2:29:58.280 with the local sheriffs or FBI, which says a lot. 2:29:58.720 --> 2:30:02.879 Yeah, not surprising, and yeah, there's always a concern with 2:30:02.920 --> 2:30:05.439 these sorts of you know, doorbell cameras, that the footage 2:30:05.760 --> 2:30:08.959 can be subpoened, right, sure, but that process also takes. 2:30:08.760 --> 2:30:09.240 A long time. 2:30:09.280 --> 2:30:10.959 I think there's a difference between the sort of flock 2:30:11.040 --> 2:30:15.840 style immediate access and subpoenating footage or having to piece 2:30:15.879 --> 2:30:18.840 together fragmented footage in the case of like the Nest 2:30:19.000 --> 2:30:22.600 storage system. But this is this is the current situation 2:30:22.760 --> 2:30:25.080 with with the Ring and Flock deal that fell through. 2:30:25.640 --> 2:30:30.360 Ring does partner with Axon, the bodycam company. Similarly, police 2:30:30.360 --> 2:30:33.920 can send requests to Ring users and they can voluntarily 2:30:34.320 --> 2:30:37.400 send the footage if they choose not to. If police 2:30:37.440 --> 2:30:39.120 really want that footage, they can try to get a 2:30:39.160 --> 2:30:42.039 court order that may or may not succeed, depending on 2:30:42.120 --> 2:30:43.360 the details of that case. 2:30:43.959 --> 2:30:49.840 My question is when you were a CS what were 2:30:49.879 --> 2:30:53.600 they highlighting there? Was it different from this commercial or 2:30:53.680 --> 2:30:55.200 was it a similar campaign? 2:30:55.480 --> 2:30:58.640 It was very similar to this commercial. It was it 2:30:58.680 --> 2:31:01.800 was like a section of the large like Amazon room. 2:31:01.920 --> 2:31:05.039 Like Amazon has a whole suite a suite in this hotel, 2:31:05.080 --> 2:31:07.039 but it's it's it's not like a hotel room. It's 2:31:07.040 --> 2:31:08.880 on the convention floor, but they have like their whole 2:31:09.080 --> 2:31:12.640 whole like kind of ballroom section Amazon Wing and Amazon 2:31:12.680 --> 2:31:15.400 Wing of the convention. Yeah, and this was one of 2:31:15.440 --> 2:31:17.640 the many products. They had a few other surveillance products, 2:31:17.640 --> 2:31:20.920 like a like a security camera tower it's powered by 2:31:20.959 --> 2:31:23.440 solar that can like roll around. Also is planning to 2:31:23.480 --> 2:31:27.960 integrate into these web surveillance networks. But since this ad 2:31:28.000 --> 2:31:31.760 and the negative backlash which led to the Flock deal 2:31:31.840 --> 2:31:34.959 coming through, there still has been reports from four oh 2:31:35.040 --> 2:31:39.360 four media about internal discussions among Ring to use search 2:31:39.440 --> 2:31:43.800 Party for crime to quote unquote stop crime, and they're 2:31:43.800 --> 2:31:46.880 still ongoing discussion on the various ways to apply this technology. 2:31:47.600 --> 2:31:50.800 In an internal email acquired by four oh four, the 2:31:50.959 --> 2:31:54.720 Ring CEO said that search Party could be a tool 2:31:55.000 --> 2:32:00.440 to help quote zero out crime in neighborhoods. The abilities 2:32:00.480 --> 2:32:03.400 of using this to track humans are very known among 2:32:03.480 --> 2:32:04.360 the people at RING. 2:32:05.160 --> 2:32:07.360 I think it's really interesting how quickly this partnership was 2:32:07.400 --> 2:32:10.360 dissolved with the backlash from that Super Bowl ad. It 2:32:10.440 --> 2:32:13.960 seemed to be almost instant. It's pretty quick, which shows 2:32:14.240 --> 2:32:18.760 that once upthing's really bad and you pointed out sometimes 2:32:18.920 --> 2:32:21.120 that can work to stop said bad thing. 2:32:21.800 --> 2:32:23.439 Yeah, but yeah. 2:32:23.280 --> 2:32:26.320 Search party creepy, though like a law enforcement still wants 2:32:26.320 --> 2:32:29.960 to use it potentially be helpful with certain things, maybe, 2:32:30.280 --> 2:32:34.320 but it really just seems like they're trying to do 2:32:34.560 --> 2:32:36.120 like normal people surveillance. 2:32:36.400 --> 2:32:39.279 Yeah, and then putting it with this you heartwarming package 2:32:39.440 --> 2:32:43.000 of helping find lost dogs. If you want to locate 2:32:43.040 --> 2:32:44.680 a lost dog, the most efficient way to do that 2:32:44.840 --> 2:32:47.560 is by having your dog micro trip. That is still 2:32:47.600 --> 2:32:52.359 the most most reliable method. Using this integrated camera network 2:32:52.400 --> 2:32:55.400 as a as a way to coax people into submitting 2:32:55.800 --> 2:32:58.400 into a system like this by waving the lost puppy 2:32:58.440 --> 2:33:00.640 banner is a little bit insid. 2:33:00.720 --> 2:33:03.279 Leave the dogs alone. The dogs don't want to be surveiled. 2:33:03.920 --> 2:33:06.400 My dog doesn't want to be surveilled. She does she 2:33:06.560 --> 2:33:09.960 surveils my house. Stop trying to take the dog's jobs. 2:33:10.360 --> 2:33:12.040 We're gonna go to a quick ad break and we'll 2:33:12.080 --> 2:33:27.160 be back. And we're back. And I just wanted to 2:33:27.200 --> 2:33:30.920 follow up on something that was kind of overlooked from 2:33:31.000 --> 2:33:33.039 the City of the Union, which was, you know, kind 2:33:33.040 --> 2:33:37.160 of a throwaway discussion about IVF, and I just wanted 2:33:37.200 --> 2:33:40.160 to give some information because I think it's worth talking 2:33:40.160 --> 2:33:43.320 about for those of you who don't know, IVF is 2:33:43.640 --> 2:33:48.039 incredibly expensive. According to I looked at the National Bureau 2:33:48.080 --> 2:33:51.680 of Economic Research as well as an article from CNY 2:33:51.800 --> 2:33:55.360 Fertility that says the average coughs of IVF is often 2:33:55.440 --> 2:33:58.280 quoted at twelve thousand dollars, but that is just the 2:33:58.440 --> 2:34:02.400 price quoted by the Fertillity Clinic for like their base package. 2:34:02.440 --> 2:34:04.360 And I have several friends who have gone through this 2:34:04.640 --> 2:34:09.440 and the costs are outrageous. Many other necessary expenses on 2:34:09.480 --> 2:34:12.760 top of that, twelve thousand dollars is around twenty thousand 2:34:12.840 --> 2:34:18.080 dollars and for most folks, on average, IBS doesn't necessarily 2:34:18.080 --> 2:34:19.879 work the first time around. For a lot of people, 2:34:20.480 --> 2:34:26.360 you're spending somewhere between thirty thousand per round to fifty 2:34:26.400 --> 2:34:30.200 to sixty thousand per round. And you know, despite and 2:34:30.240 --> 2:34:33.960 fertility being a medical diagnosis and IBF being the best 2:34:33.959 --> 2:34:37.000 medical treatment for that, A twenty eighteen analysis of the 2:34:37.040 --> 2:34:39.760 IBF insurance market by Mercer found that seventy four percent 2:34:39.800 --> 2:34:43.080 of Americans do not have insurance coverage for IBF, and 2:34:43.320 --> 2:34:46.520 you know, just from speaking with friends, even if they do, 2:34:47.160 --> 2:34:51.199 it's still outrageously expensive. So we're looking at a cost 2:34:51.400 --> 2:34:55.720 of about somewhere between depending on insurance or without insurance. 2:34:55.720 --> 2:34:58.600 And that's not even including the medical costs. That's not 2:34:58.640 --> 2:35:01.560 including the downtime cost of not working. That's not including 2:35:01.800 --> 2:35:05.120 if you're just doing egg retrieval and the cost of storage. 2:35:05.480 --> 2:35:09.840 But these expenses are outrageous and it's been a heated 2:35:09.840 --> 2:35:12.360 topic for many folks in the far right. And just 2:35:12.920 --> 2:35:16.200 for an example, I would like to play a clip 2:35:16.240 --> 2:35:22.560 from Charlie Kirk talking to to Sorry Sorry in advance 2:35:23.080 --> 2:35:27.240 two Girl Twins that you know. I actually when this 2:35:27.320 --> 2:35:30.480 when this video originally dropped, it was a discussion with 2:35:30.520 --> 2:35:31.840 a bunch of my friends, So I kind of think 2:35:31.840 --> 2:35:35.960 it's worth sharing just to see, like how heated of 2:35:35.959 --> 2:35:37.680 a topic it is. Because I want to talk about 2:35:37.720 --> 2:35:41.000 how Donald Trump has addressed it and how that changed. 2:35:41.360 --> 2:35:44.680 So here is an interaction between two girls that were 2:35:45.000 --> 2:35:48.160 IVF babies talking to Charlie Kirk about IVF, and I 2:35:48.160 --> 2:35:51.680 think it's just really interesting to hear that extreme thinking 2:35:51.720 --> 2:35:53.279 from that side. Hi, Charlie. 2:35:55.560 --> 2:35:57.360 Hi, So my name is Paige and this is my 2:35:57.440 --> 2:35:59.400 twin sister ivs wows. 2:36:00.440 --> 2:36:02.920 We have two older sisters that are also IVF. Okay, 2:36:03.120 --> 2:36:06.720 so this is about IVF of course, so I'm particularly 2:36:06.920 --> 2:36:09.200 neutral on the topic. I don't want to have like 2:36:09.200 --> 2:36:12.440 a forced opinion because like my entire family's kind of 2:36:12.720 --> 2:36:14.640 become a product of IVF. 2:36:14.720 --> 2:36:18.640 Are you guys surah too or just IVF just if? 2:36:19.360 --> 2:36:23.000 But I watch your videos and so I've noticed that 2:36:23.000 --> 2:36:25.200 in one of your videos you do mention that you 2:36:25.240 --> 2:36:27.680 are okay with IVF, but you're morally against it. 2:36:27.720 --> 2:36:28.200 Is that true? 2:36:29.040 --> 2:36:31.840 Yeah, it's a little bit deeper than that. But I 2:36:31.879 --> 2:36:34.960 have a lot of problems with IVF albe it while 2:36:35.000 --> 2:36:38.080 acknowledging the fruit. I'm glad you're both alive and so 2:36:38.400 --> 2:36:41.080 that must be celebrated. So it's a very I'll explain 2:36:41.120 --> 2:36:43.959 the difficulty, but please continue, Okay. 2:36:43.840 --> 2:36:46.440 My like part one of my question is just as 2:36:46.480 --> 2:36:49.440 someone who was conceived through IVF, why should I also 2:36:49.520 --> 2:36:50.680 be morally against it? 2:36:51.440 --> 2:36:52.240 Got good question. 2:36:52.280 --> 2:36:55.120 Okay, So as a pro lifer, first and foremost, we 2:36:55.200 --> 2:36:58.600 have to have an issue with the discarded fertilized eggs 2:36:58.879 --> 2:37:01.840 that happen during IV That's why you guys are twins 2:37:02.800 --> 2:37:07.160 is because during your creation process, if I can be 2:37:07.320 --> 2:37:10.800 provocatively blunt with your you lost a lot of your siblings. Yes, 2:37:12.120 --> 2:37:12.840 am I correct, and. 2:37:12.800 --> 2:37:16.680 Saying so for our older sisters, they had six embryos 2:37:16.760 --> 2:37:19.760 in their batch. Two came out, of course, but for 2:37:19.840 --> 2:37:21.600 us there were three and then two came out. 2:37:21.800 --> 2:37:24.400 Yeah, And so that's my first problem is that it 2:37:24.520 --> 2:37:27.400 definitionally is saying like we're going to discard life to 2:37:27.440 --> 2:37:29.640 get to life. I have a problem with that. 2:37:30.160 --> 2:37:31.080 So I do. 2:37:31.080 --> 2:37:34.520 Agree, but in a certain way. Oh sorry, So in 2:37:34.560 --> 2:37:37.520 a certain way, those embryos, like say, they weren't going 2:37:37.600 --> 2:37:40.280 to become anyways, but at least we were trying because 2:37:40.280 --> 2:37:41.800 they were going to be raised in a house where 2:37:42.000 --> 2:37:44.000 we are pro life and we really wanted to be 2:37:44.040 --> 2:37:46.800 able to have kids and cherish that. But by taking 2:37:46.800 --> 2:37:49.360 that loss, they were able to have at least us 2:37:49.440 --> 2:37:50.879 out of the three at least they. 2:37:50.800 --> 2:37:51.640 Could have the one. 2:37:52.000 --> 2:37:54.640 So it's kind of I don't know where I'm going 2:37:54.680 --> 2:37:54.959 with that. 2:37:55.040 --> 2:37:57.840 I understand what you're saying. So there's a pro life 2:37:57.920 --> 2:38:03.440 way to do IVA, which is only implant the eggs 2:38:03.440 --> 2:38:06.039 of which the children that you actually want to raise. 2:38:06.879 --> 2:38:09.000 And so by the way, you have a lower likelihood 2:38:09.000 --> 2:38:11.960 of working because in your case it would be maybe 2:38:11.959 --> 2:38:14.760 two or three. For example. The way that the IVF 2:38:14.800 --> 2:38:17.560 doctor will sell it is like, look, here's six embryos. 2:38:18.000 --> 2:38:19.959 You'll be lucky if one or two implant to the 2:38:20.040 --> 2:38:23.360 uterine wall. Let's see what happens. Now in certain cases, 2:38:23.360 --> 2:38:27.120 four implant to the uterine wall and you get quadruplets, right, 2:38:27.200 --> 2:38:28.040 which is what happens. 2:38:28.959 --> 2:38:30.680 I find that to be a little bit. 2:38:32.160 --> 2:38:34.440 Creepy, to be honest, that a doctor can kind of 2:38:34.959 --> 2:38:36.920 call shots on what life is going to live and 2:38:36.959 --> 2:38:37.360 not live. 2:38:38.040 --> 2:38:40.039 I think you're a little bit creepy. 2:38:39.840 --> 2:38:43.080 Try this guy understand what it is, like, I guess, 2:38:43.160 --> 2:38:47.920 like ideologically obviously, no, but like what how does he 2:38:48.000 --> 2:38:48.320 think that? 2:38:50.640 --> 2:38:54.000 Yeah, so that that was like an extreme side of things. Yeah, 2:38:54.080 --> 2:38:59.800 that opinion of you're killing your siblings and you know that, 2:38:59.800 --> 2:39:02.080 that sort of thing. I just find it the beginning 2:39:02.120 --> 2:39:03.680 of that video. I talked about it with a lot 2:39:03.680 --> 2:39:05.360 of my friends when I first came out. I just 2:39:05.360 --> 2:39:08.200 thought it was so interesting that where he's like, well, 2:39:08.200 --> 2:39:14.280 I'm glad you're alive, but you're immoral? Is such a 2:39:13.959 --> 2:39:21.360 such an unhinged stance. Meanwhile, during the Trump campaign, sorry 2:39:21.879 --> 2:39:23.840 in advance, Donald Trump's voice. 2:39:25.560 --> 2:39:28.320 Trump back to back. I could hazard pay. 2:39:28.440 --> 2:39:32.400 After listening to it for like two hours last night of. 2:39:32.320 --> 2:39:36.039 The Yeah, yeah, Trump deeply pivoted We're going back to 2:39:36.160 --> 2:39:38.680 like about a month before the election in twenty twenty four. 2:39:38.959 --> 2:39:43.400 But he deeply pivoted on IVF after the BioMA Supreme 2:39:43.440 --> 2:39:46.320 Court issued a ruling that effectively halted IVF treatment in 2:39:46.320 --> 2:39:50.400 the state by declaring that frozen embryos are legally considered 2:39:50.440 --> 2:39:54.760 to be children. This decision led to a temporary shot 2:39:54.760 --> 2:39:57.840 down of IVF services at major clinics due to liability risks. 2:39:58.560 --> 2:40:03.160 This is you know, from on Hopkins Public Health website. Yeah, 2:40:03.200 --> 2:40:07.400 and so that started a big discussion and split lots 2:40:07.400 --> 2:40:10.000 of different people on different political sides about the topic. 2:40:11.200 --> 2:40:14.240 But yeah, Trump pivoted an IVF and this is what 2:40:14.280 --> 2:40:20.760 he had to say, Oh, I want to talk about IVF. 2:40:20.959 --> 2:40:22.880 I'm the father of IVF, so I want to hear 2:40:22.920 --> 2:40:23.400 this question. 2:40:23.920 --> 2:40:25.360 What the fuck? 2:40:25.800 --> 2:40:29.320 Yeah. Also during the campaign trail, in an interview with 2:40:29.440 --> 2:40:31.680 NBC News, this is the most important clip of it, 2:40:31.680 --> 2:40:34.200 he said the following, Well, as you. 2:40:34.200 --> 2:40:36.879 Know, I was always for IVF right from the beginning, 2:40:36.959 --> 2:40:39.280 as soon as we heard about it. It's fertilization and 2:40:39.280 --> 2:40:41.280 it's helping women and men and families. 2:40:42.000 --> 2:40:45.280 But it's helping women able to have a baby. 2:40:45.959 --> 2:40:49.320 Some have great difficulty, and a lot of them have 2:40:49.360 --> 2:40:51.440 been very happy with the results, as you know, and 2:40:51.480 --> 2:40:53.720 what we're doing, and we're doing this because we just 2:40:53.760 --> 2:40:55.119 think it's great and we. 2:40:55.080 --> 2:40:58.200 Need great children, beautiful children in our country. 2:40:58.240 --> 2:41:01.600 We actually need them and are going to be under 2:41:01.600 --> 2:41:04.760 the Trump administration, we are going to be paying for 2:41:04.800 --> 2:41:05.400 that treatment. 2:41:05.800 --> 2:41:07.879 So we are paying for that treatment. 2:41:07.800 --> 2:41:09.800 Or we're going to want it or for. 2:41:09.560 --> 2:41:12.480 All Americans that get it, all Americans that need it. 2:41:12.520 --> 2:41:14.600 So we're going to be paying for that treatment, or 2:41:14.640 --> 2:41:17.320 we're going to be mandating that the insurance company pays. 2:41:17.400 --> 2:41:19.640 So either either the government will pay for it or 2:41:19.680 --> 2:41:20.520 the insurance companies. 2:41:21.440 --> 2:41:24.880 Yes, that did not happen. He campaigned on that and 2:41:25.200 --> 2:41:27.840 just giving that false hope to people struggling with infertility 2:41:27.840 --> 2:41:31.080 who can't afford the Like I said, thirty to sixty 2:41:31.120 --> 2:41:34.960 to God knows how much thousands of dollars is pretty sick. 2:41:35.240 --> 2:41:37.680 It's particularly weird when I understand this is this thing 2:41:37.680 --> 2:41:39.600 that Lick his party is not united on. But like 2:41:39.640 --> 2:41:43.240 they've gone after not having to pay for other reproductive 2:41:43.240 --> 2:41:48.520 health care right and like specifically I'm talking mostly about 2:41:48.520 --> 2:41:52.520 abortions here, right, Like that insurers or employers would not 2:41:52.640 --> 2:41:55.160 have to pay for it. That that's a demand that 2:41:55.200 --> 2:41:58.039 you constantly hear on the right. Like, I guess this 2:41:58.160 --> 2:42:00.920 is such a strange issue for them, because I guess 2:42:00.959 --> 2:42:03.039 it's one of the few areas where there's still like 2:42:03.440 --> 2:42:07.039 some division where they haven't all just like fallen into 2:42:07.160 --> 2:42:07.760 line on it. 2:42:08.400 --> 2:42:10.879 Right, And right after he was elected, it was in 2:42:10.920 --> 2:42:13.160 the middle of February twenty twenty five, you put on 2:42:13.200 --> 2:42:15.840 an executive order that said, end quote to support American 2:42:15.879 --> 2:42:19.640 families is the policy of my administration to ensure reliable 2:42:19.680 --> 2:42:24.040 access to the IVF treatment, including by easy unnecessary statutory 2:42:24.080 --> 2:42:28.000 or regulatory burdens, to make IVF treatment drastically more affordable. Okay, 2:42:28.000 --> 2:42:32.240 so he's already gone back on the promise from money campaigned, 2:42:32.680 --> 2:42:35.240 but that didn't stop him from doing this. 2:42:35.760 --> 2:42:39.840 We're gonna have tremendous, tremendous goodies in the bag for 2:42:39.959 --> 2:42:43.280 women to hold women between the fertilization where all of 2:42:43.320 --> 2:42:44.840 the other things that we're talking about. 2:42:44.879 --> 2:42:46.560 It's going to be it's going to be grace. 2:42:47.280 --> 2:42:48.760 We're joined today. 2:42:49.240 --> 2:42:50.800 Horrible word, fertilizer. 2:42:55.080 --> 2:42:57.280 I'm I'm still very proud of it. 2:42:57.360 --> 2:42:57.840 I don't care. 2:42:59.400 --> 2:43:01.520 I'll be known as the fertilization President. 2:43:01.600 --> 2:43:03.880 That that's that's not bad. 2:43:05.360 --> 2:43:06.080 That's not good. 2:43:06.240 --> 2:43:10.039 I've I've been called I've been called much worse. 2:43:11.600 --> 2:43:17.240 Wow, yeah, you have, that's it. Yeah, I didn't expect 2:43:17.280 --> 2:43:18.200 that one today. 2:43:18.520 --> 2:43:19.599 I'm sorry. 2:43:20.200 --> 2:43:23.840 It's so insane. And then back in last October, they 2:43:23.879 --> 2:43:26.440 put out like one of their like White House fact sheets, 2:43:26.920 --> 2:43:29.800 you know, fact sheet. President J. Trump announces action to 2:43:29.920 --> 2:43:34.039 lower costs and expand access to in vitro fertilization IVF 2:43:34.080 --> 2:43:37.199 and high quality fertility care and for the American Siety 2:43:37.200 --> 2:43:39.959 for Reproductive Medicine. You can read this on the White 2:43:40.000 --> 2:43:42.520 House website, but this summary pretty much covers it. It's 2:43:42.520 --> 2:43:45.560 that the Trump administration's ivfinition contains two king components. The 2:43:45.600 --> 2:43:49.320 first is a drug pricing agreement with far supertical company 2:43:49.760 --> 2:43:53.240 EMD Serrano provides discounts on the list prices of select 2:43:53.240 --> 2:43:56.320 IVF medications. These medications will be offered at a lower 2:43:56.320 --> 2:44:00.200 cost to eligible users through a government operated portal well 2:44:00.240 --> 2:44:04.640 trump rx doc gov and preliminary federal estimates from the 2:44:04.680 --> 2:44:08.280 Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services suggest potential savings of 2:44:08.360 --> 2:44:11.440 up to twenty two hundred dollars per treatment cycle for 2:44:11.560 --> 2:44:15.920 medications alone. So trump rx dot gov launched this month 2:44:15.920 --> 2:44:18.320 in February twenty twenty six. It's a government hosted website 2:44:18.360 --> 2:44:21.280 that serves as a facilitator and points Americans to drug 2:44:21.280 --> 2:44:24.640 makers direct to consumer websites where they can make purchases. 2:44:24.720 --> 2:44:28.320 It also provides coupons to use it pharm disease and 2:44:28.480 --> 2:44:32.080 it seems basically like a government version of good rx 2:44:32.240 --> 2:44:35.199 and is very similar to Mark Cuban's Cost plus Drugs, 2:44:35.200 --> 2:44:39.000 which has a lot of the same medications with similar discounts, 2:44:39.160 --> 2:44:44.240 including the same kind of medications for fertility and per ASMR. Again, 2:44:44.280 --> 2:44:47.000 this move alone does not make IVF attainable for most patients. 2:44:47.040 --> 2:44:49.520 Fertility drugs represent only one portion of the overall cost 2:44:49.600 --> 2:44:52.800 of care, and patients without good insurance coverage continue to 2:44:52.840 --> 2:44:57.200 face significant out of poet expensive Trump has repeatedly promised 2:44:57.240 --> 2:45:01.000 to make IVF University successful. This announcement does not fulfill 2:45:01.120 --> 2:45:05.080 that promise. Meaningful progress requires policies censure all Americans who 2:45:05.120 --> 2:45:08.280 need medical assistance to build their families and access that care. 2:45:08.640 --> 2:45:10.840 Also, by the way, you can't use your insurance with 2:45:11.160 --> 2:45:14.560 Trump or X, So yeah, it's an either all. 2:45:14.920 --> 2:45:20.000 It's great to note he specifically brought this up in 2:45:20.160 --> 2:45:22.160 last night's State of the Union during one of his 2:45:22.879 --> 2:45:25.039 what I call it propo. I think back to like 2:45:25.080 --> 2:45:28.760 the Hunger Kise, what I call a propo, which is 2:45:28.800 --> 2:45:30.880 when they like bring people out. I like dates back 2:45:30.920 --> 2:45:33.200 to like Reagan and when they bring people out to 2:45:33.280 --> 2:45:35.760 be like and this person here. But it just was 2:45:35.840 --> 2:45:39.840 such a bizarre thing to bring up. And you know, 2:45:40.320 --> 2:45:43.279 Trump's State of the Union was the longest. 2:45:42.879 --> 2:45:46.879 Of all time, Yeah, I think, sir, and he spent. 2:45:46.720 --> 2:45:50.039 A total of five minutes on healthcare alone, and this 2:45:50.240 --> 2:45:50.800 was part of it. 2:45:51.959 --> 2:45:54.600 And here tonight is the very first customer ever to 2:45:54.680 --> 2:45:58.800 get that big discount, and it is big. Katherine Raider 2:45:59.520 --> 2:46:03.519 for five year She and her husband have struggled with infertility, 2:46:04.080 --> 2:46:08.600 and they turned to IVF. One drug has been costing 2:46:08.680 --> 2:46:12.720 Catherine four thousand dollars to purchase, but a few weeks 2:46:12.720 --> 2:46:16.800 ago she logged onto the Trump rx website and got 2:46:16.800 --> 2:46:19.640 that same drug that costs four thousand dollars, got it 2:46:19.680 --> 2:46:23.240 for under five hundred dollars, a reduction of much more 2:46:23.360 --> 2:46:27.879 actually than three thousand, five hundred dollars. Catherine, We are 2:46:27.920 --> 2:46:31.000 all praying for you, and you're going to be a 2:46:31.040 --> 2:46:33.560 great mom. 2:46:33.840 --> 2:46:36.800 Really creepy, yea, imagine having the president talking about how 2:46:36.800 --> 2:46:38.720 you've been boning, Like, like, what a. 2:46:38.800 --> 2:46:40.560 Fucking how you're having trouble. 2:46:41.280 --> 2:46:43.320 That's a difficult thing for a lot of people to talk, Like, 2:46:43.320 --> 2:46:45.640 I've had friends who've gone through IVF as well. Yeah, 2:46:45.800 --> 2:46:48.760 thing that happens when your ear thirties, But like, it's 2:46:48.800 --> 2:46:50.480 a hard thing for people to talk about, let alone 2:46:50.480 --> 2:46:52.480 to have it talked about in front of the whole 2:46:52.480 --> 2:46:53.440 fucking country. 2:46:53.760 --> 2:46:57.320 Fertility and infertility is such a personal thing, and it's 2:46:57.440 --> 2:47:04.400 really to use that woman pain to promote your drug 2:47:04.920 --> 2:47:08.840 discount website. It's pugg it's repugnant. 2:47:09.080 --> 2:47:11.640 Yeah, and she's still paying five hundred bucks a month, 2:47:11.800 --> 2:47:13.400 like like, that's just a lot of money. 2:47:13.440 --> 2:47:17.680 She's unreal one hundred percent. While that's not as bad 2:47:17.720 --> 2:47:21.640 as five thousand, that's so much money. And it's like, 2:47:21.800 --> 2:47:24.680 while any discounter fertility related drugs is good, this is 2:47:24.840 --> 2:47:29.680 not what was promised. I've still ridiculously unachievable for most people. 2:47:29.879 --> 2:47:33.760 He is not the father of IVF And this is 2:47:34.360 --> 2:47:40.760 fraudulent advertising, just a way of like trying to promote 2:47:40.760 --> 2:47:45.240 his like artificial empathy to a wider audience. And it's 2:47:45.280 --> 2:47:49.800 despicable and fertility issues do not need to be played 2:47:49.800 --> 2:47:52.360 with like that. That's what I had on that. It 2:47:52.400 --> 2:47:54.360 was like a very big throwaway comment, but I thought 2:47:54.360 --> 2:47:57.480 it was worth talking about because it's been there's been 2:47:57.520 --> 2:48:00.800 like a linear lead up to what that was, and 2:48:01.640 --> 2:48:03.600 I think it's important to talk about. 2:48:03.920 --> 2:48:04.680 Yeah, definitely. 2:48:06.280 --> 2:48:10.040 Anyways, James, you have more to talk about. 2:48:10.800 --> 2:48:13.920 Yeah, So, going back to Congress before the State of 2:48:13.920 --> 2:48:17.360 the Union, Senator bloom Othoal's office published a couple of 2:48:17.400 --> 2:48:22.000 documents from two anonymous whistleblowers which show changes in basic 2:48:22.040 --> 2:48:27.320 training for er er are enforcement removal operations. So they're 2:48:27.360 --> 2:48:30.200 one of the branches of ICE. You also have HSI 2:48:30.480 --> 2:48:33.600 and then like ICE administrative stuff made us at home 2:48:33.640 --> 2:48:37.440 lown security investigations. The EERO are the people who are 2:48:37.440 --> 2:48:41.680 supposed to go out and detain and remove people, right, 2:48:42.160 --> 2:48:46.600 that is what they do. The documents show quote cuts 2:48:46.600 --> 2:48:50.080 of more than a dozen significant practice examinations which potential 2:48:50.120 --> 2:48:53.400 ICE eer officer is no longer must undergo. In fact, 2:48:53.520 --> 2:48:56.560 the cut is sixteen out of a previous total of 2:48:56.560 --> 2:48:59.520 twenty five. So there are now just nine of these 2:48:59.560 --> 2:49:02.760 practically exams, whereas before there were twenty five. The exams 2:49:02.840 --> 2:49:08.760 remove include quote judgment, pistol shooting, determined removability, encounters to 2:49:08.840 --> 2:49:13.000 detention and detention to removal, as well as criminal encounters. 2:49:13.280 --> 2:49:16.320 So these are like exams that would test the knowledge 2:49:16.440 --> 2:49:19.359 of the potential would be ICE agent on these issues. 2:49:19.440 --> 2:49:20.879 Right, So you so you just don't have to know 2:49:20.959 --> 2:49:21.480 that any more? 2:49:21.840 --> 2:49:24.240 Yeah, well you can you do an open book test. 2:49:24.440 --> 2:49:31.480 It's open book multiple choice it is now. Yeah, in 2:49:31.520 --> 2:49:33.680 some cases there isn't a greaded practical exam at all. 2:49:33.879 --> 2:49:35.160 It's just passed fail. 2:49:36.280 --> 2:49:38.759 Open book multiple choice. 2:49:38.879 --> 2:49:42.920 Yeah, to determine your understanding of the law, right or 2:49:42.959 --> 2:49:46.960 becoming and testing. Yeah, I know, right, I guess it's 2:49:47.040 --> 2:49:49.920 a caveat all of this by saying, like the people 2:49:49.959 --> 2:49:53.440 who killed Alex Pretty and Rennie Good were exceptionally well trained. 2:49:53.440 --> 2:49:55.879 They had been trained for a long time. They had 2:49:55.959 --> 2:49:59.400 been in DHS for years and didn't stop the murdering 2:49:59.440 --> 2:50:04.520 Americans industry. I'm not saying that, I'm not Joe bidening this, 2:50:04.760 --> 2:50:09.320 but this is still notable. There is also the wholesale 2:50:09.400 --> 2:50:12.560 removal of some classes. These classes that have been removed 2:50:12.560 --> 2:50:15.560 include the use of force simulation training that's like a 2:50:15.680 --> 2:50:17.320 late they watch a video and they have like a 2:50:17.400 --> 2:50:20.920 laser pistol. That's how they slate use of force there. Well, 2:50:20.959 --> 2:50:23.680 they used to, I guess, also the training on the 2:50:23.800 --> 2:50:27.120 legal structure of the United States government, ERRO authority, and 2:50:27.320 --> 2:50:30.080 use of force. It also shows a huge reduction in 2:50:30.120 --> 2:50:34.160 the overall training, which we also heard from Ryan Schwank 2:50:34.200 --> 2:50:35.920 will get to in a minute, but he was a 2:50:36.240 --> 2:50:39.960 former lawyer with ICE who testified to Congress. Toddlines previously 2:50:40.000 --> 2:50:43.279 told Congress that the FLDC that's a federal law enforcement 2:50:43.800 --> 2:50:47.920 training centers in Georgia had been moving from five eight 2:50:47.959 --> 2:50:51.720 hour days to six twelve hour days. So although the 2:50:51.840 --> 2:50:54.400 number of training days for ICE agents have been cut, 2:50:54.440 --> 2:50:57.440 the number of training hours was the same. They was 2:50:57.520 --> 2:51:00.120 going to get through with their grindset, I guess, but 2:51:01.240 --> 2:51:04.760 the whistleblower documents show that they're still appearing to do 2:51:04.800 --> 2:51:07.520 eight hour days. Like the number of days have been 2:51:07.560 --> 2:51:09.480 cutting out, the number of hours of training in each 2:51:09.520 --> 2:51:13.199 day has remained the same. There are some longer days, 2:51:13.280 --> 2:51:15.440 but mostly those are people who have to make up 2:51:15.480 --> 2:51:19.120 the PT test or like some nights seem to go 2:51:19.200 --> 2:51:21.800 later with practical stuff like first aid and shooting, but 2:51:22.480 --> 2:51:25.600 the bulk of the days continued to be eight hours. 2:51:26.040 --> 2:51:31.720 There are now forty two total days versus seventy five before. 2:51:32.200 --> 2:51:36.200 Some of this was already public actually in certain forums 2:51:36.200 --> 2:51:38.640 and subreddits. Era Officer has been posting about like the 2:51:39.840 --> 2:51:44.039 faster training course for a while. The documents show a 2:51:44.120 --> 2:51:47.959 target of four thousand and seven new officers in fiscal 2:51:48.040 --> 2:51:51.000 year twenty twenty six. They would aim to have commissioned 2:51:51.120 --> 2:51:53.920 four thousand new ice officers by the end of September. 2:51:54.520 --> 2:51:58.320 We also heard from Ryan Schwank who testified to Congress, 2:51:58.560 --> 2:52:00.640 and they published some excerpts in this many which I'm 2:52:00.680 --> 2:52:03.560 just going to include here. A couple of quotations quote, 2:52:03.680 --> 2:52:05.560 I am duty bound to tell you that the ICE 2:52:05.680 --> 2:52:10.359 Basic Immigration Enforcement training program is now deficient, defective, and broken. 2:52:10.600 --> 2:52:13.640 And another quote here. Without reform, I will graduate thousands 2:52:13.640 --> 2:52:16.320 of new officers who do not know their constitutional duty 2:52:16.600 --> 2:52:18.879 and do not know the limits of their authority, and 2:52:18.959 --> 2:52:22.880 do not have the training to recognize an unlawful order. Finally, 2:52:23.320 --> 2:52:26.080 ICE is lying to Congress and the American people about 2:52:26.080 --> 2:52:28.199 the steps it is taking to ensure its ten thousand 2:52:28.200 --> 2:52:31.560 new officers faithfully uphold the Constitution and perform their jobs. 2:52:32.240 --> 2:52:36.240 Schwank was hired in twenty twenty one as a assistant 2:52:36.360 --> 2:52:40.240 Chief Counsel for the ICE Officer Principal Legal Advisor. He 2:52:40.320 --> 2:52:42.560 also serves as a resident attorney at Dilly, which is 2:52:42.600 --> 2:52:45.600 a detention center for families and children, and at some 2:52:45.600 --> 2:52:48.320 point in this past he was a private practice immigration attorney. 2:52:48.600 --> 2:52:52.840 What good lord, this is not like a particularly woke guy, 2:52:53.160 --> 2:52:55.440 I would say, and like none of this is to 2:52:55.480 --> 2:52:58.080 suggest that it would be okay for there to be 2:52:58.400 --> 2:53:01.200 thousands more ICE officers if they were better trained. Still wouldn't, 2:53:01.640 --> 2:53:05.120 but it does show that the state is building a 2:53:05.160 --> 2:53:08.160 force of people who don't know what an unlawful order 2:53:08.280 --> 2:53:11.800 is and what their rights are and what their obligations 2:53:11.840 --> 2:53:14.240 are and what the rights of the people who they 2:53:14.240 --> 2:53:18.360 are detaining are. And talking about the rights of people 2:53:18.360 --> 2:53:20.600 who are being detained, I want to talk about a 2:53:20.680 --> 2:53:24.480 development in the case was the unaccompanied Guatemalan children. People 2:53:24.640 --> 2:53:28.960 remember that over Labor Day, the Trump administration tried to 2:53:29.000 --> 2:53:31.560 deport these children and they tried a number of like 2:53:32.120 --> 2:53:35.520 credit lawyer shit like like just really like silly, like 2:53:36.280 --> 2:53:38.800 I don't know these legal arguments, which which was kind 2:53:38.840 --> 2:53:41.320 of superious to get away with it, and they were 2:53:41.360 --> 2:53:43.840 prevented by a restraining order, right if you remember the 2:53:43.920 --> 2:53:48.400 judge Sparkle Supernannan who was the first judge who issued 2:53:48.400 --> 2:53:50.440 the restraining order. But they did so in the middle 2:53:50.440 --> 2:53:53.040 of the night over Labor Day weekend and sent one 2:53:53.040 --> 2:53:56.520 of their attorneys to the airport to prevent them. Christ yeah, 2:53:57.040 --> 2:54:01.279 truly like last minute stuff. The class for that tro 2:54:02.000 --> 2:54:05.760 and the injunction was quote children from Guatemala who are 2:54:05.959 --> 2:54:10.119 all will be in the custody of defendants. They all 2:54:10.240 --> 2:54:12.840 will be lead to the next part of our story. 2:54:12.959 --> 2:54:13.119 Right. 2:54:13.160 --> 2:54:16.120 A lawsuit is now alleging that CBP is flouting the 2:54:16.160 --> 2:54:20.480 injunction by returning children when they first enter custody before 2:54:20.480 --> 2:54:23.440 they're sent to the Office of Refugee Resettlement. So they 2:54:23.560 --> 2:54:25.880 kind of tried to previously make this argument that like 2:54:26.600 --> 2:54:28.720 they were with Oh, they weren't with ICE, so they 2:54:28.720 --> 2:54:31.160 went with DHS. There with O R. Right, So the 2:54:31.160 --> 2:54:34.440 Office of Refugee Resettlement is a distinct entity. So they'd 2:54:34.440 --> 2:54:37.600 sort of tried this like, oh, there's nothing we can 2:54:37.680 --> 2:54:41.200 do to stop the Office of Refugee Resettlement, and that 2:54:41.240 --> 2:54:42.160 had not worked. 2:54:42.240 --> 2:54:42.440 Right. 2:54:42.800 --> 2:54:47.360 The suit also alleges that quote defendants are using misinformation, coercion, threats, 2:54:47.360 --> 2:54:50.080 and fear to persuade children to relinquish their rights and 2:54:50.160 --> 2:54:55.160 sign paperwork portedly accepting a form of expedited voluntary return. 2:54:56.000 --> 2:55:00.400 This is common across DHS. Rightly in my reporting on Dearly, 2:55:00.480 --> 2:55:03.760 for instance, Primrose told me that the forms for voluntary 2:55:03.760 --> 2:55:07.280 repatriation are present like all day and all night in 2:55:07.320 --> 2:55:09.240 their room, Like any time it gets too much for you, 2:55:09.240 --> 2:55:13.160 anytime they're too hungry, too tired, to stressed, too scared, 2:55:13.600 --> 2:55:15.800 you could sign that formula on a plane and it's 2:55:15.840 --> 2:55:19.280 all over for You're going back to wherever you fled from. 2:55:19.760 --> 2:55:21.680 Including the case as a claim by an attorney at 2:55:21.720 --> 2:55:25.120 the National Immigrant Justice Center that unaccompanied children have been 2:55:25.160 --> 2:55:28.720 given a document that quote completely misstates or at least 2:55:28.760 --> 2:55:32.920 dramatically misrepresents the immigration laws that apply to unaccompanied immigrant children, 2:55:33.480 --> 2:55:38.280 and it conveys to vulnerable children threats that are quote 2:55:38.520 --> 2:55:42.400 in clear contravention of the entire system implemented to protect 2:55:42.440 --> 2:55:46.480 and promote the safety and best interest of unaccompanied immigrant children. 2:55:46.800 --> 2:55:49.840 This you went to the Trafficking Victims Protection re Authorization 2:55:49.879 --> 2:55:52.600 Act of two thousand and eight. So what this is 2:55:52.640 --> 2:55:55.680 suggesting is that these young people are being provided with 2:55:56.200 --> 2:56:00.640 essentially it's not legal advice, but it's misconstruction the rights 2:56:00.640 --> 2:56:03.160 that they have to be protected, right, and so that 2:56:03.240 --> 2:56:07.320 they are not being advised properly of the protections that 2:56:07.360 --> 2:56:10.440 they have under law. I'm going to keep an eye 2:56:10.440 --> 2:56:13.120 on this one because I think I don't love the 2:56:13.120 --> 2:56:15.240 phrase unaccompanied. Mine is when we talk about this, because 2:56:15.240 --> 2:56:17.760 these children, after and accompanied, there are people who are 2:56:17.800 --> 2:56:19.760 with them, who care for them on their journey here. Right, 2:56:19.800 --> 2:56:22.160 I've seen this firsthand. It just means that their immediate 2:56:22.200 --> 2:56:25.840 family are not with them. But like we saw in 2:56:25.840 --> 2:56:27.200 the State of the Union last night, right, when the 2:56:27.240 --> 2:56:30.240 Trump administration talks about migrants, it wants to talk about 2:56:30.440 --> 2:56:35.040 people who kill children, right, like that is the thing 2:56:35.160 --> 2:56:36.960 that they or hurt children that it's a thing that 2:56:37.000 --> 2:56:39.600 they trusted out a couple of times last night. It 2:56:39.680 --> 2:56:42.040 is not the migrants who are hurting children in this instance, 2:56:42.160 --> 2:56:45.360 it is the government. These children who came here on 2:56:45.440 --> 2:56:49.360 their own to be safe with very few options, right, 2:56:49.440 --> 2:56:52.000 and either their parents couldn't look after them, while their 2:56:52.000 --> 2:56:55.959 parents aren't around anymore. There is not a more sympathetic case, right, 2:56:55.959 --> 2:56:58.520 There's not a clearer example of people we should be 2:56:58.560 --> 2:57:00.959 looking after as a state or a community or a 2:57:01.040 --> 2:57:04.240 nation or whatever. And the fact that they're trying to 2:57:04.280 --> 2:57:06.240 turn these children around and boot them back to the 2:57:06.320 --> 2:57:10.240 dangerous situation they came from is really morally appalling. Will 2:57:10.360 --> 2:57:12.000 keep reporting on it because I think it is like 2:57:12.320 --> 2:57:14.280 a very important thing to shed more light on. 2:57:14.879 --> 2:57:20.360 Absolutely, it's horrifying. Yeah, just on a basic moral level, 2:57:20.560 --> 2:57:25.160 like being the person whose job it is and the 2:57:25.320 --> 2:57:28.480 apparently doing this job of trying to construct fake legal 2:57:28.600 --> 2:57:34.039 arguments so you can fucking deport children, Like what the fuck? Yeah, 2:57:34.400 --> 2:57:36.200 it's just so evil. 2:57:36.840 --> 2:57:40.920 Yeah, it's it's horrible, like they you know, I've spent 2:57:41.000 --> 2:57:42.560 a lot of time with migrants to spend a lot 2:57:42.560 --> 2:57:45.640 of time with migrants with children. I've known plenty of 2:57:45.720 --> 2:57:49.960 children who are traveling without their parents, and the things 2:57:50.000 --> 2:57:53.199 that they go through just to get here are horrific, 2:57:53.520 --> 2:57:55.880 and the things that they're going away from are probably worse. 2:57:55.920 --> 2:57:59.240 And to think that those kids could be booted back 2:57:59.240 --> 2:58:01.680 to the places they fled within seventy two hours of 2:58:01.760 --> 2:58:05.879 arrival before they're transferred to O r R, right after months, 2:58:05.879 --> 2:58:11.320 potentially years, is Yeah, it's genuinely appalling to me. Like, 2:58:11.440 --> 2:58:15.600 few of these things shock me, but they still disgusted me. 2:58:15.959 --> 2:58:18.360 And I really hope that this is something that will 2:58:18.400 --> 2:58:21.920 continue to get coverage, not just here but elsewhere, because like, 2:58:22.640 --> 2:58:27.120 these are the most egregious wrongs that the immigration system does. 2:58:27.560 --> 2:58:31.120 Yeah, let's to take a quick break and the meal 2:58:31.160 --> 2:58:34.800 will be back with some terror park. 2:58:45.600 --> 2:58:46.080 Oh what's that? 2:58:47.000 --> 2:58:47.200 Oh? 2:58:47.320 --> 2:58:47.560 Is it? 2:58:47.600 --> 2:58:50.959 Is it? The dulcet tones of someone who isn't Joe's 2:58:51.000 --> 2:58:53.160 Dramma singing the worst clash song. 2:58:58.120 --> 2:59:08.039 Z spot Sorry, Rocky jazz bo Rocky jazz. 2:59:07.800 --> 2:59:11.600 Bo, I love how consistent you are? 2:59:11.600 --> 2:59:13.840 Relent Chance is the worst clash song. 2:59:13.959 --> 2:59:17.119 It really pass me off. Like people they think, oh, 2:59:17.160 --> 2:59:19.240 the clash and then they go No the song that 2:59:19.240 --> 2:59:22.600 they played while they were fucking bombing Iraq in nineteen 2:59:22.680 --> 2:59:24.640 ninety one that made Joyce Drama cry and what she 2:59:24.640 --> 2:59:29.080 hadn't written it? Yeah, uphold listen to other clash songs please. 2:59:28.920 --> 2:59:36.000 Oh God, speaking of clashes. Wow, we have finally learned 2:59:36.520 --> 2:59:40.760 the results of the log awaited Supreme Court case about 2:59:41.400 --> 2:59:45.400 specifically the tariffs that were implemented through the International Emergency 2:59:45.480 --> 2:59:46.800 Economic Powers Act. 2:59:47.440 --> 2:59:51.560 Those have been struck down. So this is the retaliatory tariffs, 2:59:51.600 --> 2:59:55.360 this is the Liberation Day stuff, the ones on Canada 2:59:55.360 --> 3:00:00.760 and Mexico. Some of the tariffs are still in a fact. 3:00:00.800 --> 3:00:02.680 We will get to that in a second, like, for example, 3:00:02.680 --> 3:00:05.200 the illudinum and steel ones, et cetera, et cetera, are 3:00:05.200 --> 3:00:09.120 still in effect. I'm gonna be doing a full episode 3:00:09.120 --> 3:00:12.760 about this case and about what's going on with tariff 3:00:12.760 --> 3:00:18.039 policy now, because it's very convoluted and weird. But what's 3:00:18.040 --> 3:00:20.840 important for our purposes here is that in a lot 3:00:20.840 --> 3:00:25.039 of ways, this is a very narrow ruling in that 3:00:25.120 --> 3:00:31.160 it is just specifically about this one act IEPA, and 3:00:31.320 --> 3:00:35.640 what it specifically, very narrowly says is that IEEPA does 3:00:35.720 --> 3:00:38.920 not give Trump the authority to do teriffs. What it 3:00:39.200 --> 3:00:43.600 doesn't say anything about is his ability to use other acts. 3:00:43.640 --> 3:00:45.720 And we're gonna talk about that in a second. Okay 3:00:45.800 --> 3:00:48.600 to do tariffs, And it also doesn't say anything. And 3:00:48.640 --> 3:00:51.520 I think this is actually very important about the completely 3:00:51.600 --> 3:00:55.680 unhinged state of emergencies that he's been declaring in order 3:00:55.720 --> 3:00:56.400 to be able. 3:00:56.200 --> 3:00:58.000 To use IEPA. 3:00:58.800 --> 3:01:02.560 And that's also good to be very important in a 3:01:02.600 --> 3:01:06.720 little bit because because there's no ruling on that, he's 3:01:06.760 --> 3:01:09.959 probably going to be able to do some of this 3:01:10.000 --> 3:01:13.560 stuff with other tariffs. So basically, immediately after this ruling, 3:01:13.600 --> 3:01:18.560 Trump imposed a ten percent tariff across the board, using 3:01:18.640 --> 3:01:21.000 Section one twenty two of the Trade Act in nineteen 3:01:21.040 --> 3:01:24.120 seventy four, he says, so he implements it at ten percent, 3:01:24.200 --> 3:01:25.640 and then the next day he says it's going to 3:01:25.640 --> 3:01:28.480 be fifteen percent. The current rate as of data of 3:01:28.560 --> 3:01:31.560 recording on Wednesday, the one that's actually being assessed at 3:01:31.560 --> 3:01:34.200 customs is ten percent. Because he hasn't signed an executive 3:01:34.280 --> 3:01:37.040 order to actually lift the fifteen percent. It's all very weird, 3:01:37.520 --> 3:01:42.120 it's all very sort of extremely chaotic. So right now 3:01:42.240 --> 3:01:45.880 the fifteen percent hasn't gone through. But I want to 3:01:45.920 --> 3:01:49.560 talk about this Section one twenty two thing that he's 3:01:49.640 --> 3:01:55.720 using right now, because this is a significantly less broad 3:01:55.920 --> 3:02:00.800 authority than the authority he was claiming before. Okay, first off, 3:02:00.800 --> 3:02:03.000 it's worth noting that Section one twenty two has literally 3:02:03.040 --> 3:02:07.320 never been used to enforce tariffs before for reasons we'll 3:02:07.320 --> 3:02:09.600 get into in a second. Because it's very weird, and 3:02:09.640 --> 3:02:12.000 it's also going to be very, very difficult to do 3:02:12.120 --> 3:02:15.480 the kind of Calvin Ball tariff policy Trump wasn't implementing, 3:02:15.520 --> 3:02:17.800 where he just sort of says a thing and a 3:02:17.840 --> 3:02:21.600 tariff appears. So the thing about one twenty two is 3:02:21.640 --> 3:02:24.199 that instead of the thing that Trump was doing before, 3:02:24.600 --> 3:02:27.800 where he was just tweeting out a tariff rate for 3:02:27.879 --> 3:02:30.560 an individual country because he was mad at them, section 3:02:30.640 --> 3:02:33.200 one twenty two it only allows you to set a 3:02:33.240 --> 3:02:35.960 flat tariff rate for every country in the world, and 3:02:36.080 --> 3:02:39.800 the maximum tariff rate is capped at fifteen percent. The 3:02:39.840 --> 3:02:41.920 other thing that's notable about this is that Section one 3:02:41.959 --> 3:02:46.600 twenty two tariffs also need to be approved by Congress 3:02:46.600 --> 3:02:49.240 after one hundred and fifty days, at least in theory. 3:02:50.080 --> 3:02:54.240 The Cato Institute interestingly is arguing that Trump theoretically could 3:02:54.360 --> 3:02:56.400 just extend it for another one hundred and fifty days 3:02:56.400 --> 3:02:59.440 after the first one. But this, this would be a 3:02:59.560 --> 3:03:01.960 huge mesa because there's no way he can win a 3:03:02.040 --> 3:03:05.199 terror vote in Congress. There's just absolutely no way. Now, 3:03:05.560 --> 3:03:09.440 the other important aspect of this that's very weird, that 3:03:09.600 --> 3:03:11.480 I think is going to become a very large sort 3:03:11.520 --> 3:03:13.800 of point of discussion in the coming weeks is that 3:03:14.920 --> 3:03:18.520 section one twenty two. So I've read this section. It 3:03:18.640 --> 3:03:22.480 says specifically, quote it can only be used to levy 3:03:22.560 --> 3:03:28.240 tariff's quote whenever fundamental international payment problems require special import 3:03:28.280 --> 3:03:32.200 measures to restrict imports one to deal with large and 3:03:32.320 --> 3:03:35.400 serious United States balance of payment deficits. 3:03:36.040 --> 3:03:37.520 Now that's vague. 3:03:38.280 --> 3:03:40.920 Yeah, oh yeah, Well but here's the thing though, here's 3:03:40.920 --> 3:03:43.600 the thing. So I tried to write a version of 3:03:43.600 --> 3:03:45.520 this where I tried to explain ballot to payments and 3:03:45.600 --> 3:03:48.120 what a balance payment deficit is. I'm going to do 3:03:48.160 --> 3:03:52.280 that in the other episode. It's too convoluted. But what's 3:03:52.320 --> 3:03:54.320 really important about this is that Trump has been complaining 3:03:54.360 --> 3:03:56.480 about trade deficits, and the state of emergency is over 3:03:56.560 --> 3:03:58.560 trade deficit. A trade deficit is not a balance of 3:03:58.560 --> 3:04:02.440 payment deficit. Balance of payments is an accounting identity that 3:04:02.480 --> 3:04:05.800 has to do with like it's literally like the sum 3:04:05.959 --> 3:04:09.240 of all exchanges between everyone in the US and everyone 3:04:09.240 --> 3:04:13.120 outside of the US. So you by definition can't have 3:04:13.360 --> 3:04:17.240 a deficit in it because it's the accounting identity attracks 3:04:17.280 --> 3:04:19.240 both sides, right, So if someone in the US is 3:04:19.280 --> 3:04:21.840 sending money to someone, it tracks both the fact that 3:04:21.959 --> 3:04:24.039 the used person set the money and the fact that 3:04:24.080 --> 3:04:26.320 the other person got the money. So you can't have 3:04:26.320 --> 3:04:28.440 a deficit because it's always one to one because it's 3:04:28.480 --> 3:04:30.080 it's tracking both, right. 3:04:30.160 --> 3:04:32.720 So you're saying the limit does not exist. 3:04:33.000 --> 3:04:36.360 Yeah, it's on hinge, And like you know, and specifically for. 3:04:36.360 --> 3:04:39.680 The US, it is. It is possible to get into 3:04:39.720 --> 3:04:43.920 trouble with balance of payments if you can't just print 3:04:44.160 --> 3:04:46.920 your currency, Like if your currency is on the gold standard, 3:04:47.440 --> 3:04:50.640 you couldn't here, you get in trouble here. Now, a 3:04:50.680 --> 3:04:52.400 notable thing about the United States is that we are 3:04:52.400 --> 3:04:56.680 not on the gold Standard, so we literally even if 3:04:56.680 --> 3:04:58.840 you use definitions of ballants of payment where you could 3:04:58.879 --> 3:05:02.200 theoretically have one of these problem, the US cannot have 3:05:02.240 --> 3:05:05.920 a balance of payments crisis. It cannot. It definitionally cannot 3:05:06.120 --> 3:05:06.840 have one of these. 3:05:07.280 --> 3:05:07.480 Right. 3:05:07.920 --> 3:05:10.240 And the thing about this, right, you're gonna hear a 3:05:10.240 --> 3:05:11.840 lot of people talking about how the US is a 3:05:11.879 --> 3:05:14.920 balance of payments crisis. If the US was having an 3:05:14.959 --> 3:05:18.480 actual serious balance of payments deficit right now, there would 3:05:18.480 --> 3:05:19.640 be riots in the streets. 3:05:20.400 --> 3:05:23.480 That's not an exaggeration. This is normally what happens. Normally. 3:05:23.560 --> 3:05:26.480 Balance of payments crises are a country owes a bunch 3:05:26.520 --> 3:05:28.640 of money and they straight up do not have enough 3:05:28.800 --> 3:05:32.600 US dollars to pay that off. And when that happens, 3:05:32.680 --> 3:05:36.200 things happen, like suddenly there's like five hundred person lines 3:05:36.200 --> 3:05:38.480 outside of every gas station because there's not enough money 3:05:38.480 --> 3:05:41.800 to import gas, right, like you can't import food. It's like, 3:05:41.800 --> 3:05:45.040 like that is what happens when there's balance of payments crises. Right, 3:05:45.080 --> 3:05:47.120 This is like Sri Lanka in twenty twenty four, and 3:05:47.160 --> 3:05:48.680 like that's the kind of thing where you get a 3:05:48.680 --> 3:05:50.880 balance of payments crisis and people burn down the presidential 3:05:50.920 --> 3:05:52.240 mansion like we don't have one. 3:05:52.520 --> 3:05:55.840 Yeah, this is not happening. So there's already becoming an. 3:05:55.720 --> 3:05:57.720 Attempt to be like, oh, the US is a balance 3:05:57.760 --> 3:06:01.120 of payments deficit, there's a crisis. No, no, no, no, no, no nonsense, gibberish. 3:06:01.120 --> 3:06:04.400 You're gonna hear this a lot. It's complete nonsense, and 3:06:04.800 --> 3:06:06.360 it's it's one of the things that makes me look 3:06:06.360 --> 3:06:08.160 at this and go, Okay, this is the immediate one 3:06:08.160 --> 3:06:09.920 that he picks. But like, this is not gonna survive 3:06:09.959 --> 3:06:12.920 in court because the specific line here where it says 3:06:13.240 --> 3:06:16.880 fundamental international payment problems, like we don't have fundamental international 3:06:16.920 --> 3:06:19.640 payment problems, like we paid all of this gets paid 3:06:19.720 --> 3:06:20.160 every year. 3:06:20.840 --> 3:06:21.760 It's it's funny. 3:06:21.840 --> 3:06:24.760 In the executive order it says the US sometimes has 3:06:24.879 --> 3:06:27.480 international payment problems, and no, it doesn't. It has never 3:06:27.520 --> 3:06:31.879 had international payment problems like on any kind of real scale. 3:06:32.280 --> 3:06:34.680 The closest thing you can do is look back at 3:06:34.680 --> 3:06:37.280 periods when the US was again on the gold standards, 3:06:37.360 --> 3:06:40.720 and even then we were fined like it's it's it's 3:06:40.720 --> 3:06:43.440 complete gibberish. I'm pissed about this. I'm annoyed that I 3:06:43.480 --> 3:06:48.320 have to go back to balance of payment stuff. But 3:06:48.360 --> 3:06:50.440 this so this is probably not going to hold up 3:06:50.440 --> 3:06:54.840 when the inevitable next lawsuit goes under. However, Comma, there 3:06:54.920 --> 3:06:57.959 are a couple of other trade authorities that he can 3:06:58.120 --> 3:07:01.039 use that they've been talking about using and some of 3:07:01.040 --> 3:07:03.520 them have been used already. So broadly, we've been talking 3:07:03.520 --> 3:07:05.360 about like two kinds of tariffs on this show. We've 3:07:05.360 --> 3:07:07.680 been talking about the tariffs that are on a specific country, 3:07:07.680 --> 3:07:10.480 and those are the ones that are basically gone. We'll 3:07:10.480 --> 3:07:12.360 get to the one exception to that in a second. 3:07:12.879 --> 3:07:14.960 And then there's been the ones that are on goods. 3:07:15.080 --> 3:07:16.560 So if you remember, like though, there was a there 3:07:16.560 --> 3:07:21.640 was a tariff recently on like vanity cabinets stuff. 3:07:21.320 --> 3:07:24.039 Like yeah, yeah, I do remember that one. Yeah, really 3:07:24.320 --> 3:07:25.320 weird niche thing. 3:07:25.640 --> 3:07:28.240 Oh jampitions. Wait wait, wait till I talk about what 3:07:28.280 --> 3:07:31.000 the legal authority of tariffs on kitchen cabinets was. 3:07:33.200 --> 3:07:36.199 There's a special constitutional exemption for those. 3:07:36.640 --> 3:07:37.400 It's so bad. 3:07:37.920 --> 3:07:40.440 Okay, So so this this is this is the section 3:07:40.840 --> 3:07:44.200 two thirty two of the Trade Act next seventy four. 3:07:44.200 --> 3:07:46.840 These are these specific tariffs and these ones are supposed 3:07:46.840 --> 3:07:50.760 to be tariffs on goods in response to threats to 3:07:50.879 --> 3:07:51.840 national security. 3:07:52.280 --> 3:07:55.200 So it's yeah, hang on, join the DUTs for me. 3:07:55.800 --> 3:08:03.080 The price of I pointed cabinets are too low threat 3:08:03.120 --> 3:08:04.279 to national security. 3:08:05.520 --> 3:08:07.720 It's funny because okay, this is the one that legal 3:08:07.720 --> 3:08:13.000 experts think actually can potentially survive challenges because it's national security. 3:08:13.000 --> 3:08:15.800 But it's like, okay, like I get our Supreme Court. 3:08:15.840 --> 3:08:17.600 The fact that this ruling was six to three is 3:08:17.640 --> 3:08:21.000 frankly ridiculous, given that again, Trump was pretending he had 3:08:21.080 --> 3:08:23.800 legal authority to issue tariffs in a bill that literally 3:08:23.840 --> 3:08:25.720 never says the word tariff. It had never been used 3:08:25.720 --> 3:08:28.240 to raise a tariff before. Okay, So like Supreme Court 3:08:28.320 --> 3:08:30.720 was like, okay, well that's nonsense. And even I, who 3:08:30.800 --> 3:08:33.240 was extremely cynical about the Supreme Court, do not think 3:08:33.240 --> 3:08:36.360 that you can compellingly argue in front of a court, 3:08:36.440 --> 3:08:38.160 and this probably won't even go to the Supreme Court, 3:08:38.400 --> 3:08:41.160 like that you can compellingly argue that is, it is 3:08:41.200 --> 3:08:43.360 part of the national security interest of the United States 3:08:43.640 --> 3:08:49.720 that American cabinet makers mildly out compete foreign cabinet Yeah. 3:08:51.000 --> 3:08:54.360 Wow, yeah, that's a weird one. I mean, yeah, national 3:08:54.440 --> 3:08:58.400 security and like terrorism, the magic Woods when it comes 3:08:58.440 --> 3:08:59.280 to the Constitution. 3:09:00.320 --> 3:09:05.200 Yeah, but in this case, okay, like really seriously, with 3:09:05.280 --> 3:09:09.640 a stream it's gonna walk up there and go national security, right. 3:09:12.240 --> 3:09:16.720 Yeah, they've done some wild stuff in the court. Yeah yeah, yeah, 3:09:16.840 --> 3:09:19.120 it was interesting to what like you say, you were 3:09:19.160 --> 3:09:21.440 saying like how much they'll get past the court. It 3:09:21.560 --> 3:09:23.880 was interesting to watch the Supreme Court justices in the 3:09:23.879 --> 3:09:28.000 State of the Union just like, oh yeah, just grimacing 3:09:28.080 --> 3:09:31.080 through it. Yep, yep, he was so. 3:09:31.000 --> 3:09:31.480 Mad at them. 3:09:31.480 --> 3:09:34.920 They're usually pretty stoic, but there was a serious grimace 3:09:35.000 --> 3:09:36.720 action going yeah. 3:09:37.080 --> 3:09:41.520 Yeah, and there was no attempt to hide that particular face, right. 3:09:41.680 --> 3:09:42.280 Yeah. 3:09:42.360 --> 3:09:45.440 I don't know if we've ever had a sitting president 3:09:45.560 --> 3:09:48.640 like school the Supreme Court in a State of the 3:09:48.720 --> 3:09:49.680 Union in that way. 3:09:49.959 --> 3:09:53.720 I think maybe it is possible AFTR did it. 3:09:54.400 --> 3:09:56.080 Yeah, I was gonna say, I can see the. 3:09:56.080 --> 3:09:59.560 FTR did try to pack the court at Yeah. 3:09:59.640 --> 3:10:01.960 Yeah, that was at least funnier. 3:10:02.959 --> 3:10:04.320 Or at least back in the day when they used 3:10:04.320 --> 3:10:07.760 to like fight on the floor of contrast like something 3:10:07.800 --> 3:10:08.200 back then. 3:10:09.000 --> 3:10:10.359 Those are the days. 3:10:10.760 --> 3:10:13.800 So there's there's one more trade thing I think we're 3:10:13.840 --> 3:10:17.200 talking about here in terms in terms of of where 3:10:17.240 --> 3:10:19.520 more terif aulready can come from, and that's section three 3:10:19.600 --> 3:10:23.039 oh one of that same TERR Effact. And this is 3:10:23.080 --> 3:10:27.000 the one where so a lot of the tariffs on 3:10:27.120 --> 3:10:30.160 China are actually still in effect because a lot of 3:10:30.160 --> 3:10:32.680 those tariffs are actually from the first Trump administration and 3:10:32.720 --> 3:10:38.160 then Biden continued them because it's yeah. 3:10:37.560 --> 3:10:42.039 They hate China. I quite seriously do not have a better. 3:10:43.360 --> 3:10:43.400 That. 3:10:43.680 --> 3:10:47.680 Yeah, but section three oh one is specifically for quote 3:10:47.840 --> 3:10:49.280 unfair trade practices. 3:10:49.879 --> 3:10:54.800 Yeah, no, like unfair. It's such a strange word to 3:10:54.879 --> 3:10:57.880 use in legislation, right, like what what do we what 3:10:57.920 --> 3:10:59.040 do we mean by that? 3:10:59.120 --> 3:11:02.360 Well, so like in the original context, it was like 3:11:02.480 --> 3:11:06.040 supposed to be an anti protectionist thing, okay, but it's 3:11:06.040 --> 3:11:07.959 also like, yeah, people are like, oh my god, it's 3:11:08.040 --> 3:11:10.800 unfair of that, Like the Chinese companies get money from 3:11:10.840 --> 3:11:13.720 the governments, and I'm like, all of you get fucking 3:11:13.800 --> 3:11:15.040 money from the government all the time. 3:11:15.040 --> 3:11:17.760 What are you talkt like yeah, and like they're talking 3:11:17.760 --> 3:11:20.640 about it like it's unfair that the wages are lower 3:11:20.640 --> 3:11:21.840 in certain countries, you know. 3:11:22.040 --> 3:11:23.520 Yeah, And it's just like do you look at this, 3:11:23.520 --> 3:11:27.640 And it's like, Okay, the US, the entire US agriculture industry, 3:11:27.920 --> 3:11:30.400 like all of the corn grown in this country is 3:11:30.480 --> 3:11:33.000 grown because they pass an ag bill every single year 3:11:33.480 --> 3:11:36.280 that does subsidies that are literally illegal for like any 3:11:36.320 --> 3:11:38.960 other country to have because I specifically got agreements carved 3:11:38.959 --> 3:11:42.480 out of the free trade statutes. Yeah, it's it's absolutely ridiculous. 3:11:42.680 --> 3:11:44.440 But you know, this is the one that he's been 3:11:44.480 --> 3:11:47.440 able to sort of use so far. So I think 3:11:47.480 --> 3:11:48.640 this is going to be the one that's going to 3:11:48.680 --> 3:11:50.920 be leaned on once the Trump people sort of remember 3:11:50.920 --> 3:11:54.280 they have it. But the problem with using three oh 3:11:54.640 --> 3:11:57.920 one is that there's actual bureaucrat accepts you have to do, 3:11:58.040 --> 3:12:00.720 like you have to like convene a bunch of trade authorities, 3:12:01.400 --> 3:12:05.600 and you have to have like a specific anti competitive practice. Okay, 3:12:06.000 --> 3:12:08.200 So this is also I think going to be very 3:12:08.240 --> 3:12:12.800 vulnerable to legal challenges, except probably on China, because you 3:12:12.879 --> 3:12:16.039 actually have to go through and designate what the legal 3:12:16.080 --> 3:12:18.600 practices are, and I mean usually the process six months, 3:12:19.040 --> 3:12:24.320 even when you're moving quickly. So there's also I guess 3:12:24.520 --> 3:12:28.359 what I would call the sort of like the secret 3:12:28.440 --> 3:12:32.560 dark mode option where they just start doing the nightmare 3:12:32.600 --> 3:12:33.080 or stuff. 3:12:33.560 --> 3:12:35.160 This is something that I think it was hazlit. 3:12:35.440 --> 3:12:39.320 One of Trump's officials talked about this last year is 3:12:39.360 --> 3:12:43.840 potentially using the Smooth Harley Tariff Act. 3:12:43.720 --> 3:12:46.119 Like the nineteen thirties as like. 3:12:46.240 --> 3:12:48.320 Yep, yeah, yeah, the one the one that is very 3:12:48.360 --> 3:12:50.160 famous for exacerbating the Great Depression. 3:12:50.240 --> 3:12:52.000 Yeah, then what I lend about in high school. 3:12:53.720 --> 3:12:54.039 Yep. 3:12:56.640 --> 3:12:58.560 It's also the other thing about this, right is this 3:12:58.680 --> 3:13:03.560 Act is not on the books anymore. Okay, because also okay, 3:13:03.560 --> 3:13:05.200 so I've seen a conflicting explanation to this. 3:13:05.240 --> 3:13:06.160 Some people are just confused. 3:13:06.240 --> 3:13:08.640 I think the explanation of it that I've seen is 3:13:08.680 --> 3:13:10.800 that it was superseded by sections of the nineteen seventy 3:13:10.800 --> 3:13:11.480 four Trade Act. 3:13:11.760 --> 3:13:14.039 Okay, So it's not even clear if this is in effect. 3:13:14.800 --> 3:13:17.320 But this is in theory, like the sort of like 3:13:17.480 --> 3:13:20.199 dark maga, like we're reaching into the bag and pulling 3:13:20.200 --> 3:13:23.160 trade authority out of something button they could reach for. 3:13:24.480 --> 3:13:26.880 Right, Yeah, we'd take done before with like title forty 3:13:26.920 --> 3:13:29.840 two and stuff. Right yeah, the title thirty two is 3:13:29.879 --> 3:13:33.360 to stop people with tuberculosis, like back in the day. 3:13:33.400 --> 3:13:35.480 That was the idea behind it, and they pulled it 3:13:35.480 --> 3:13:38.240 out in twenty twenty, right and then Biden just like this, 3:13:38.360 --> 3:13:40.560 Harris kept it for much longer than trap. 3:13:40.680 --> 3:13:41.160 Yeah. 3:13:41.200 --> 3:13:43.000 But I think I think this is and this is 3:13:43.000 --> 3:13:45.760 I think actually a very significant moment for the Supreme Court. 3:13:45.920 --> 3:13:48.920 And I think sexul Bank independence will eventually become this 3:13:49.000 --> 3:13:50.880 if and when this gets this gets to the courts. 3:13:51.160 --> 3:13:51.280 Yea. 3:13:51.560 --> 3:13:54.960 But tariffs are sort of the the red line for 3:13:55.400 --> 3:13:57.720 a couple of the Supreme Court justices who normally sided 3:13:57.760 --> 3:14:02.040 with Trump, just specifically because A. I mean, it just 3:14:02.080 --> 3:14:05.400 says in the Constitution that tariffs are specifically a thing 3:14:05.480 --> 3:14:08.640 that Congress does. So you can't just be like, oh, 3:14:08.680 --> 3:14:10.640 they gave me the power to do this unless they like. 3:14:10.600 --> 3:14:11.680 Explicitly said it. 3:14:11.720 --> 3:14:14.360 But then b it's it's this is this is the 3:14:14.360 --> 3:14:17.039 financial redline, right like, this is this this is the 3:14:17.040 --> 3:14:18.959 point at which you're fucking with the money. So this 3:14:19.040 --> 3:14:21.240 is the point where the Supreme Court was like, you know, 3:14:21.320 --> 3:14:24.960 we've we've let you just make up laws in a 3:14:25.000 --> 3:14:27.080 whole bunch of other cases, but this is this is 3:14:27.120 --> 3:14:29.080 the actual limit of it when it comes to authority 3:14:29.120 --> 3:14:33.560 that really significantly like destroys the American economy. 3:14:33.760 --> 3:14:37.120 Yeah, like the economy has more rights send people do. 3:14:37.360 --> 3:14:37.600 Yeah. 3:14:37.640 --> 3:14:40.720 Absolutely, this is the way that it's always been. I 3:14:40.720 --> 3:14:42.959 also want to mention one closing thing on the terriffs 3:14:42.959 --> 3:14:45.800 is that the Supreme Court didn't answer the question of 3:14:45.879 --> 3:14:47.880 if people are going to get their money back and 3:14:47.879 --> 3:14:50.640 how the refunds are going to work. Sure didn't, Nope, 3:14:51.440 --> 3:14:53.000 And I think it's because they couln't get agreement on 3:14:53.040 --> 3:14:55.640 it because this ruling is kind of a mess in 3:14:55.680 --> 3:14:59.560 that it's like this like weird fractured coalition of justices 3:14:59.800 --> 3:15:02.320 or like parts of them agree on part of it, 3:15:02.360 --> 3:15:05.000 and there's like parts of the opinion that are agreed 3:15:05.040 --> 3:15:07.080 by to by a plurality of the corp and not 3:15:07.120 --> 3:15:10.680 a majority. It's it's very weird. But yeah, they have 3:15:10.720 --> 3:15:12.960 no idea how this is gonna work. There's already lawsuits 3:15:13.000 --> 3:15:14.640 going on to get the money back that have been 3:15:14.800 --> 3:15:19.080 in place already, so presumably some kind of redispensations going 3:15:19.120 --> 3:15:21.800 to happen. It's going to be unbelievably chaotic, Okay, but 3:15:21.920 --> 3:15:26.359 we will we will keep you updated on how American 3:15:26.400 --> 3:15:27.440 trade negotiations go. 3:15:27.920 --> 3:15:34.640 Yeah, okay, we reported the news. Yeah, put a trans 3:15:34.640 --> 3:15:35.720 girl on your couch. 3:15:36.000 --> 3:15:39.800 Oh actually, okay, I have one also really bleak update 3:15:40.200 --> 3:15:42.120 on put a Transgirl on your couch, which is we 3:15:42.200 --> 3:15:45.760 actually got numbers, well they're technically not the first numbers 3:15:45.800 --> 3:15:48.920 we've gotten, but we got actual good numbers on the 3:15:49.000 --> 3:15:52.160 number of trans people who've moved, we've like fled their state, 3:15:52.959 --> 3:15:55.800 like just from mid twenty twenty four to mid twenty 3:15:55.840 --> 3:15:59.160 twenty five. The statistics suggests that it's it's ten percent 3:15:59.200 --> 3:16:01.480 of all trans people, which is four hundred thousand people. 3:16:02.040 --> 3:16:04.959 I think that's likely an undercount, and that's just the 3:16:05.000 --> 3:16:08.720 first half of twenty twenty five. Yeah, that is a 3:16:08.840 --> 3:16:12.080 humanitarian crisis, Like this is an internal migration crisis, right, 3:16:12.120 --> 3:16:14.279 the view that these are internally these have become internally 3:16:14.320 --> 3:16:20.280 displaced people. Yes, and yeah it's hideous and the least 3:16:20.480 --> 3:16:23.760 that we can do at this moment is putting trans 3:16:23.760 --> 3:16:27.480 people in your couch because the violence of there fleeting 3:16:27.560 --> 3:16:28.320 is intensifying. 3:16:28.400 --> 3:16:32.000 Yeah, a lot of people actually reached out to our email. 3:16:32.120 --> 3:16:35.080 Our email is cool Zone Tips and proton dot me. 3:16:35.879 --> 3:16:39.039 And that's mostly for things that you know that we 3:16:39.080 --> 3:16:42.199 should report on, not for just like general episode ideas. 3:16:42.240 --> 3:16:44.840 If you're trying to be be a source for so 3:16:44.920 --> 3:16:47.360 I have some tip of something that you become aware 3:16:47.400 --> 3:16:49.960 of this and being reported. It's not for like Robbie 3:16:49.959 --> 3:16:51.440 should do this episode on Bastards. 3:16:52.200 --> 3:16:52.600 It's not. 3:16:52.760 --> 3:16:55.000 I just want to emphasize once again that it is not. 3:16:56.320 --> 3:16:59.200 There is a if you want to do that, go 3:16:59.240 --> 3:17:01.680 to the Bastards up read it. There is a section 3:17:01.760 --> 3:17:02.480 for that. Thank you. 3:17:03.400 --> 3:17:05.080 But a lot of people had reached out to be like, 3:17:05.280 --> 3:17:08.480 I want to do this, but I don't know of anyone, 3:17:08.600 --> 3:17:10.680 and obviously I don't want to be like posting online 3:17:10.720 --> 3:17:12.800 like transfolks come to my house, because that seems like 3:17:12.800 --> 3:17:16.040 weird to behavior. So that's something we will try and 3:17:16.040 --> 3:17:19.480 aggress like in a more general kind of mutual aid focused. Yeah, 3:17:19.920 --> 3:17:23.760 series of episodes that will work on but those people, 3:17:23.959 --> 3:17:26.320 it is good that you are trying to do something. 3:17:26.680 --> 3:17:30.440 Yeah, we reported the news. 3:17:31.760 --> 3:17:33.119 We reported the news. 3:17:39.080 --> 3:17:42.280 Hey, We'll be back Monday with more episodes every week 3:17:42.320 --> 3:17:44.199 from now until the heat death of the universe. 3:17:44.959 --> 3:17:47.480 It Could Happen Here is a production of cool Zone Media. 3:17:47.640 --> 3:17:50.720 For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 3:17:50.800 --> 3:17:53.360 cool Zonemedia dot com, or check us out on the 3:17:53.360 --> 3:17:57.359 iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 3:17:57.800 --> 3:17:59.600 We can now find sources for It Could Happen here 3:17:59.680 --> 3:18:02.680 listen directly an episode descriptions. Thanks for listening.