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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let

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Speaker 3: Welcome to take It happened here a podcast about things

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Speaker 3: falling apart and how to put them back together again.

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Speaker 4: And I'm your host, Bia Wong.

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Speaker 3: This is one of the most acute places where everything

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Speaker 3: is falling apart and one of the most acute attempts

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Speaker 3: to put it back together again. We're just going to

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Speaker 3: get right into it with me to talk about a

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Speaker 3: potential Brench strike that there is significant organization going on

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Speaker 3: for right now in Minneapolis as a reaction to the

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Speaker 3: federal occupation. Is Tara Rogavier, the director of the Tenant

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Speaker 3: Union Federation. Tara, Welcome to the show. Thanks, So, okay,

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Speaker 3: let's rewind a little bit. Can you talk a bit

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Speaker 3: about what the specific conditions of the occupation and also

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Speaker 3: just sort of the preoccupation world for tenants got us

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Speaker 3: to a point where there is potentially the largest restrict

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so.

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Speaker 5: First of all, thank you so much for having me

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Speaker 5: and I am boarding live from the Twin Cities, where

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Speaker 5: we've been in a really intense organizing drive now for

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Speaker 5: many weeks. And of course the people of the Twin

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Speaker 5: Cities have very ferociously fought back against this federal occupation

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Speaker 5: for nearly three months. But I appreciate your question because

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Speaker 5: I think actually to take us back a little bit

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Speaker 5: is critical to understand the circumstances we find ourselves in now.

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Speaker 5: So the first and most basic thing to say is

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Speaker 5: the rent is too damn high. Yep, pop looking not

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Speaker 5: afford the rent in any corner of the country. You know,

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Speaker 5: it's been true for many years now that a person

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Speaker 5: any American county, whether that's urban, suburban, or rural. And

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Speaker 5: as our rents go up, the conditions of our homes

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Speaker 5: get worse. So what we have taken as saying these

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Speaker 1: And I know you know that.

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Speaker 5: As a tenant and as a former tenant organizer, your goal,

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Speaker 5: but so many of our people are living this reality

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Speaker 5: Missouri and I helped to found and organize with Casey Tenants,

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Speaker 5: and increasingly we're organizing tenants in places like Raytown, Missouri,

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Speaker 5: But just to put a fine point on it, when

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Speaker 5: the context that brings us into this moment, and that

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Speaker 5: And I think that's a really important thing to note,

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Speaker 5: Every building has someone distributing whistles and zines so that

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Speaker 5: So all we've done in the last couple of weeks

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Speaker 3: Could I ask a quick question here about how how

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a great question, and I think this won't

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Speaker 5: So a process that might have otherwise taken months to

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Speaker 4: It's astonishing. Yeah, it's the best I've ever seen anything

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Speaker 5: Right, And that's not to say it was easy, right,

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Speaker 5: So this is just an experiment, right, We actually don't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's another aspect of this before we get into

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Speaker 5: Yeah, totally unprecedented, and even I, yeah, my mind kind

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Speaker 5: is like groups like SCIU Local twenty six, we're leading

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Speaker 5: the call for this general strike day on January twenty third,

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Speaker 3: Can you explain for our listeners, like, when you're talking

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Speaker 5: And then they've pulled in partners from community groups and

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Speaker 5: And that also is remarkable. Right I'm saying this as

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Speaker 5: I understand it, So the ask moved pretty quickly. I

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Speaker 5: that is a total moonshot. We don't know whether or

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Speaker 3: I'm astonished by effectively every part of this because and

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Speaker 4: But yeah, how.

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Speaker 3: Fast it came together is astonishing. The willingness and speed

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so there's three main demands related to the strike drive.

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Speaker 5: One is ICE out, and a part of that that

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Speaker 5: I feel like you'll be interested in is ICE is in.

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Speaker 5: The federal government is pretending that the reason for the

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Speaker 5: invasion is economic. They're like, this is an economic intervention.

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Speaker 5: ICE is here to fix the economy by deporting a

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Speaker 5: bunch of people who are taking your jobs. Part of

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Speaker 5: what we're trying to do is highlight what is the reality,

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Speaker 5: which is that ICE is bad for the economy. ICE

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Speaker 5: has devastated the economy. We're trying to heighten that contradiction

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Speaker 5: authorize a strike, what actual economic disruption looks like if

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Speaker 5: tenants exercise their economic power. So that's one thing, Ice out,

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Speaker 5: ICE fully out. There's all this talk about a drawdown now,

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Speaker 5: but there's still ICE agents here can napping people.

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Speaker 1: On a daily basis.

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Speaker 5: The second thing is a statewide eviction moratorium. And this

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Speaker 5: has been a demand for the last two and a

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Speaker 5: half nearly three months. The governor has not moved on it.

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Speaker 5: The state legislature has not moved on it. Eviction court

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Speaker 5: is running quote unquote as normal during a time where

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Speaker 5: there are three thousand federal agents in Minneapolis and Saint Paul.

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Speaker 5: So demand number two is end evictions, no evictions under

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think you're right that people outside of

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Speaker 1: To work in the last three months. Forty seven million

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Speaker 5: I just had a conversation with a dad yesterday whose

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Speaker 5: So even if we're living under a supposed draw down,

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Speaker 5: also why you see organized labor lining up alongside us

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Speaker 3: I want to come back to that that forty seven

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Speaker 3: not forty seven million dollars coming from Google's forty seven

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a huge crisis and one that kind of ludicrously.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what about the people.

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Speaker 5: Right, what about the people who have had to scrounge

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and yet it's just what business as usual has been.

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Speaker 5: You know, the quote unquote business as usual of state

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And the ability to turn the sort of rupture

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So.

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Speaker 3: I know that you have to go very soon. Is

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Speaker 5: We are running phone banks now through March first to

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Speaker 5: to join the phone banks. Tenants wherever they are should

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Speaker 5: We've got our big Union School training that's a virtual

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Speaker 5: effort that may or may not work. You know, we

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Speaker 5: are trying. We're trying something big and unprecedented, and part

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Speaker 5: of that attempt and part of our seriousness is also

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Speaker 5: acting with extraordinary discipline. So we will not authorize strike

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Speaker 5: if we are anything less than ready to be on

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Speaker 5: strike depending on the situation with our demands and whether or.

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Speaker 1: Not they're met.

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Speaker 5: People should stay tuned because I think in the way

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Speaker 5: that this plays out, we will also be modeling some

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Speaker 5: of what we're learning in real time around what it

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Speaker 5: takes to exercise both vision and strategy and discipline as

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Speaker 5: a collective in this kind of new territory.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is quite frankly one of the coolest

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Speaker 3: things I've ever gotten.

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Speaker 4: To cover on this show. This fucking rocks.

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Speaker 3: Love it, And yeah, I hope it goes well for y'all,

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Speaker 3: And I hope you fucking win.

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Speaker 9: Thanks, I appreciate it. Thanks so much for having me. Miya,

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Speaker 9: of course, thank you for coming on. And yeah to

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Speaker 9: everyone else out there, I don't know. I was just

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Speaker 9: some random college kid when I started doing this, so

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Speaker 9: you too can do tenants. Organizing in YouTube can do

464
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Speaker 9: incredible things when the BOMA calls for it.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to it could happen here a podcast where

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Speaker 2: Robert Evans is slightly adjusting the levels on his microphone

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Speaker 2: because I am in New Orleans traveling and with my

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Speaker 2: friend and city resident and former guest of the pod.

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Speaker 4: Carl Casarda. Carl, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 10: Thank you for having me, Robert. It's great to be back.

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Speaker 10: I mean, we've done a few episodes in the past

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Speaker 10: on different podcasts, and it's always I don't want to

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Speaker 10: say a treat, but it's good to work with you

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Speaker 10: because some of the topics, of course, are pretty rough.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you and I have talked, I think primarily

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Speaker 2: in our previous episodes about both like digital security and

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Speaker 2: then guns, Like we've talked about people getting into shooting,

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Speaker 2: We've talked about like kind of what's responsible and irresponsible

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Speaker 2: when it comes to training and firearms advice. And today

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Speaker 2: we're kind of starting by talking about guns in a

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Speaker 2: different context, which is the fact that specifically they are

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Speaker 2: often used as an excuse by a law enforcement like

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Speaker 2: the fear of the fear or the reality of some

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Speaker 2: in being armed as an excuse for killing them. Right,

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Speaker 2: we can talk about the killing of Filando Castile in

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Speaker 2: July of twenty sixteen, who was a black man who

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Speaker 2: was stopped by the police and a legal license concealed

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Speaker 2: carry holder and was shot during that traffic stop because

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Speaker 2: the officer panicked. But the case that's right now on

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Speaker 2: people's minds is the case of Alex Pretty, who was

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Speaker 2: killed by border patrol earlier this year. Was wearing a

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Speaker 2: gun during a confrontation, but he was just filming. They

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Speaker 2: stripped him of his weapon and they shot and executed

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Speaker 2: him in a case that has actually drawn criticism from

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Speaker 2: gun rights organizations towards the Trump administration, which doesn't happen often.

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Speaker 2: But I think the kind of point you brought up

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Speaker 2: when you and I started talking about this was that

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Speaker 2: what happened to Pretty, you know, not only can you

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Speaker 2: go back to other cases where law enforcement have shot

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Speaker 2: people legally concealed carrying, as we talked about with Castile.

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Speaker 2: But this is not a thing that is the result

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Speaker 2: of the escalation of the Trump administration's use of bord

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Speaker 2: patrol and ice. This is a long standing behavior that

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Speaker 2: border patrol agents have exercised and been exercising elsewhere for years.

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Speaker 2: Like what happened to Preddy is novel because he was

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Speaker 2: a white guy in the middle of Minneapolis, but it's

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Speaker 2: not a novel because border patrol shot and killed somebody

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Speaker 2: and then justified it by saying he had a gun.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's border patrol, and really by that extension of

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Speaker 10: all law enforcement in the US. Because there's so many examples,

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Speaker 10: it's almost hard to draw out just one or two.

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Speaker 10: You can go for on forever for this, but there's

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Speaker 10: some real prominent ones that make a lot of sense.

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Speaker 10: In fact, even here in New Orleans, right after Katrina,

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Speaker 10: there were a family that were crossing a bridge trying

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Speaker 10: to just recover some water and supplies, and a bunch

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Speaker 10: of law enforcement officers jumped into unmarked vehicles, ran over

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Speaker 10: on a bridge, jumped out, and with unauthorized guns, including Ak's,

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Speaker 10: unloaded on them. And it was called the Danziger Bridge shootings.

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Speaker 10: I have a video on the channel about it. And

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Speaker 10: this is where this gets relevant. They not only shot them,

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Speaker 10: they chased them down from a moving vehicle and killed

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Speaker 10: them in their back with a shotgun while he was

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Speaker 10: running away. But they used the pretense of them being

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Speaker 10: armed even though they were not, by dropping drop guns

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Speaker 10: and calling them ham sandwiches. So again, the pretext of

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Speaker 10: there were guns, therefore we're allowed to kill them is

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Speaker 10: just an example of that right there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is really interesting because first off, you

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Speaker 2: get the gun rights people, or at least a chunk

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Speaker 2: of the conservative gun rights people, who will come out

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Speaker 2: whenever someone actually is carrying a gun. But the fact

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Speaker 2: that this happens so much more often, where the police

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Speaker 2: just kill someone and say because we thought they had

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Speaker 2: a gun is also I mean, it's a human rights issue,

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Speaker 2: but it is a Second Amendment issue, right You've got

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Speaker 2: this weird dichotomy. We're on the right the existence of

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Speaker 2: the second because it's often said that like, oh, the

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Speaker 2: presence of a gun, even though you have the Second

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Speaker 2: Amendment means the police can kill you. But the reality

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Speaker 2: is that the existence of guns in the country means

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Speaker 2: that the police have the ability to justify killing, and

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Speaker 2: border patrol has the ability to just to by killing

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Speaker 2: someone for no reason.

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Speaker 10: Which it really brings up a really interesting question because,

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Speaker 10: I mean, the Second Amendment is literally the second Amendment

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Speaker 10: of the Bill of Rights, which is now right enshrined

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Speaker 10: directly in the Constitution. It's the first is freedom of

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Speaker 10: speech and the second one is the right to care

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Speaker 10: and bare arms. And so if that is a constitutional right,

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Speaker 10: even in instances where you see like Alex Pretty who

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Speaker 10: is a legally licensed CCW holder still can be killed

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Speaker 10: with essentially no justice being delivered for their actions, raises

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Speaker 10: a very interesting question about how is a right a

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Speaker 10: right when they can kill you for the presence of

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Speaker 10: a gun, even when it's legally possessed and not even

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Speaker 10: being used in a offensive manner, like even if it's

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Speaker 10: just on you or they think there's one there, suddenly

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Speaker 10: they can kill you and nothing comes of it. And

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Speaker 10: that's the case with so many instances. I got a

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Speaker 10: few more here if you want, Like Daniel Shaver, this

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Speaker 10: is one in Masis. It's not border patrol, but it's

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Speaker 10: still law enforcement. It has the precedent of the problem.

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Speaker 10: Twenty sixteen, he was a Texas exterminator. He was traveling

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Speaker 10: through Arizona and he was up in his hotel room

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Speaker 10: and someone on the street saw him or thought they

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Speaker 10: saw him messing with a firearm. Turned out it was

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Speaker 10: like a pellet gun or something he used to shoot rats.

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Speaker 10: But they rolled up. They called him out of his

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Speaker 10: room and in a very horrific video of screaming at

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Speaker 10: him and giving very inconsistent commands, along with another gun

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Speaker 10: that was illegally modified or at least not authorized to

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Speaker 10: be modified, where the dust on the air fifteen and

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Speaker 10: said you're fucked on it. They unloaded on him while

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Speaker 10: he was crawling on his hands and knees begging for

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Speaker 10: his life, literally begging for his life in the video,

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Speaker 10: and again really nothing came of it. In fact, the

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Speaker 10: officer that shot him ended up getting back on the

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Speaker 10: force just long enough to give him essentially a life

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Speaker 10: pension for the trauma he received for killing the man.

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Speaker 10: So the presence or the perceived presence of a firearm

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Speaker 10: justified them killing him while he was crawling on his

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Speaker 10: hands and knees.

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Speaker 2: You know, we've talked about the warrior cop ethos and

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Speaker 2: guys like Colonel Grossman who have helped to inculcate this

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Speaker 2: idea in law enforcement that you are in like dire

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Speaker 2: threat of immediate death every second of every day, as

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Speaker 2: like the sworn law enforcement officer, and thus you have

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Speaker 2: to react like this, right, Like you have to react

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Speaker 2: immediately with lethal force the instant someone like reaches into

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Speaker 2: a pocket or I can't tell you how many times

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Speaker 2: it protests. I can remember one really clear time from

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty where I was with a group of people.

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Speaker 2: They were promising to arrest all of us, and I

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Speaker 2: was kind of talking to the police officer basically being like,

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Speaker 2: looker the mayor's most recent orders, like we are allowed

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Speaker 2: to be out here. Yeah, anyway, it was a whole thing.

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Speaker 2: But one of the protesters, who was just kind of

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Speaker 2: standing behind me, very nervous, like reached into his pocket,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it was to get a phone,

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Speaker 2: and all of the officers tend stuff, and I had

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Speaker 2: to be like, don't fucking go, like keep your hands visible, man,

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Speaker 2: Like we're standing in front of a bunch of and

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Speaker 2: you shouldn't have to do that, right, putting your hands

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Speaker 2: in your pocket shouldn't be a justification for a man

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Speaker 2: pulling a gun and blowing you away with the authority

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Speaker 2: of the state behind him. But the reality of the

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Speaker 2: situation is that like whenever I am talking to police officers,

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Speaker 2: I keep my hands in front of me and fucking visible.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it produced a situation in which regular American citizens,

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Speaker 10: or we'll get into this too, the tahona Otam Reservation members,

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Speaker 10: Indian members, members of the tribe. You have to be

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Speaker 10: as a civilian trained how to interact with these very

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Speaker 10: dangerous people who have been given a ideology of like killology.

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Speaker 10: You mentioned Lieutenant Colonel Grossman, who actually never shot on

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Speaker 10: anyone himself, but was one of the sea crystals of

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Speaker 10: this training mentality in which he espoused, don't be afraid

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Speaker 10: to shooting. That's going to happen is you might get sued,

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Speaker 10: but don't worry about getting sued. It just gives you

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Speaker 10: a little break and some time off the force until

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Speaker 10: you get it cleared. He's on video saying this stuff,

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Speaker 10: and that mentality so imbued into all of the law

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Speaker 10: enforcement agencies now presents a problem where the legal right

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Speaker 10: of having a firearm is I'd say very questionable that

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Speaker 10: it's the right when they have all authorization to kill

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Speaker 10: you for the thought or presence of a gun. And

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Speaker 10: it shouldn't be civilians, just regular people that have to

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Speaker 10: be trained how to deal with these dangerous agents of

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Speaker 10: the state, because they're the ones that are indoctrinated into

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Speaker 10: this fear mindset when we're prayed to at this point

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Speaker 10: because they can kill you and nothing seems to come

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Speaker 10: of it.

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Speaker 2: I think the thing when we were chatting about this

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Speaker 2: kind of behind the scenes that you brought up that

635
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Speaker 2: was really interesting to me to emphasize was the degree

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Speaker 2: to which this is not a training problem, right, This

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Speaker 2: is not a lack of training problem. You hear a

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Speaker 2: lot on the kind of more moderate Democrat side of

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Speaker 2: things about how we need to be retraining these agents

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Speaker 2: and that like the murder of Renee Good, the murder

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Speaker 2: of Alex Preddy is the result of like bad training

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Speaker 2: behalf of Border Patie, and it's kind of part of

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Speaker 2: this whole rogue agency thing you get with Border Patrol

644
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Speaker 2: and ice that like because of the Trump administration and

645
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Speaker 2: how they've flooded it with bad recruits and how they're

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Speaker 2: not getting properly trained. That's why things have been so deadly.

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Speaker 2: And when you look at the history of how Border

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Speaker 2: Patrol has worked on things like the Dahanamodo Reservation. What

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Speaker 2: you see is a whole bunch of cases that sound

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Speaker 2: a lot like what happened to Inna Good and alex Pretty.

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Speaker 2: They're just not happening to white people in Minneapolis, right.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I think that's something that a lot of people who

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Speaker 10: haven't had the experience of living near the border, because

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Speaker 10: I also spend a lot of my life in Arizona

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Speaker 10: near Tucson, and therefore the Tahuna Autum reservations right there,

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Speaker 10: and therefore have some insight into the things that go

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Speaker 10: on right there near the border. And this is not new.

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Speaker 10: The thing that's new is that it's being extended across

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Speaker 10: the country and now into internal spaces. But the policies

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Speaker 10: and the way the Border Patrol and ice have acted

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Speaker 10: is by no means a new standard. For example, not

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Speaker 10: only with the firearms, but their instances at least two instances,

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Speaker 10: if not more, in which there's verified video of Border

665
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Speaker 10: Patrol agents intentionally swerving their vehicles to hit tribal members.

666
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Speaker 10: It's on footage, not only car footage, but footage of

667
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Speaker 10: the cell phone being struck. One instance, at Leach, they

668
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Speaker 10: were killed another instance, they were hurt, and with that footage,

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Speaker 10: even though it very clearly the car swerved to hit them,

670
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Speaker 10: nothing came of it. So it's hard to not see

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Speaker 10: that there's something going on here. I don't think this

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Speaker 10: is a training thing. I don't think they're training them

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Speaker 10: to run over people. But there's some cultural maliciousness that's

674
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Speaker 10: imbued into some of this that's hard to ignore. Another

675
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Speaker 10: example of that was in twenty twenty three there was

676
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Speaker 10: a TO member, Raymond Mattia, that he was called for.

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Speaker 10: Supposedly there was gunfire heard and so Border patrol shows

678
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Speaker 10: up and he's in front of his house and he

679
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Speaker 10: reached for his cell phone in his pocket, much like

680
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Speaker 10: you just described. Again, Wow, there's a recurring theme here.

681
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Speaker 10: And he was shot nine times, thirty eight rounds fired, killed,

682
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Speaker 10: He had no gun on him, he was just a

683
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Speaker 10: TOO member and therefore it didn't really make any press.

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Speaker 2: Again, you see, this is a qualified immunity problem, right,

685
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Speaker 2: And it go back to that, And there's been some

686
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Speaker 2: talk of like if you're going with the reforming ice

687
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Speaker 2: rather than the abolishing thing, which is you know, certainly

688
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Speaker 2: something a lot of Democrats talk about. Like I've heard

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Speaker 2: some discussion of like, well, maybe removing qualified immunity at

690
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Speaker 2: least for border patrol and ice, And it's so much

691
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Speaker 2: bigger of a problem than that, Like I certainly will

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Speaker 2: I will accept any reductions in qualified immunity for law enforcement,

693
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Speaker 2: because that's where a lot of this starts. But even

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Speaker 2: without that, if these go to court, if the officer

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Speaker 2: in that specific shooting had gone to court for that

696
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Speaker 2: specific shooting, I think there's a very good, if not

697
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Speaker 2: overwhelmingly likely chance that he would have just been able

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Speaker 2: to argue us in fear of my life.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 2: Everyone knows how dangerous police officers' jobs are. Of course,

701
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Speaker 2: you know, if you reach into a bocket around them,

702
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Speaker 2: you're signing your own death warrant. And some of my

703
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: problem with this is the degree to which Americans, and

704
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Speaker 2: maybe this is starting to shift, but things are as

705
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Speaker 2: bad as they are because for a very long time,

706
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Speaker 2: Americans were willing to go along with the idea that

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Speaker 2: police officers lives were so dangerous and their jobs were

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Speaker 2: so important that almost any violence they meet out is

709
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Speaker 2: justified by the danger that they exist in. And I

710
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Speaker 2: want to talk more about that with you, but first

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Speaker 2: here's some ads.

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Speaker 4: And we're back, Karl. I'm going to hand back to

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Speaker 4: Mike to you if we're going to continue ourtist cut.

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Speaker 10: Well, that's the challenge that I see with all these

715
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Speaker 10: and these are just like again a handful of examples

716
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Speaker 10: of which there are so many you can't even enumerate

717
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Speaker 10: them all. I mentioned the Danziger Bridge shootings in which

718
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Speaker 10: two men were killed, and there was really no justice

719
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Speaker 10: came for that, although there was long trials and almost

720
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Speaker 10: almost someone got in trouble, but not really. They all

721
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Speaker 10: eventually got out with very little justice. Daniel Shaver was

722
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Speaker 10: killed in Mesa. That guy got pension Borlando Castile, Nothing

723
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Speaker 10: really came of that. Paul O Reims, the guy hit

724
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Speaker 10: by the Border Patrol SUV, nothing came of that. Another example,

725
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Speaker 10: while this was a protester to Guita in twenty twenty

726
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Speaker 10: three protesting cop City was unloaded on in his tent

727
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Speaker 10: where they said he had a firearm. Again, another similar

728
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Speaker 10: example fourteen times and was killed in the process. Hey everybody,

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Speaker 10: Carli here and an important update to the podcast. Once

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Speaker 10: it was released, we quickly realized that there was a

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Speaker 10: mistake embedded in it, and it really kind of lies

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Speaker 10: on me. We recorded this today after Marti gram That's

733
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Speaker 10: no excuse.

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Speaker 4: We were both a little tired.

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Speaker 10: But at the same time we had a conversation in

736
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Speaker 10: which we discussed we just removed this from the podcast entirely,

737
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Speaker 10: just snip it out, and both of us came to

738
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Speaker 10: the same conclusion that it was too important to leave

739
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Speaker 10: Tortugita's story in the podcast, because the reality is they're

740
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Speaker 10: not talked about as much as they should be, and

741
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Speaker 10: what happened to Tortegita matters very much and it should

742
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Speaker 10: be kept in the public consciousness, especially since the bodycam

743
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Speaker 10: footage has not been released. But in this I mistakenly

744
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Speaker 10: used the pronoun he and him, and Robert followed suit,

745
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Speaker 10: just because we were kind of recording together in that

746
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Speaker 10: time and space, and this was recorded very live and

747
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Speaker 10: raw and real. But tortu Ghita, the queer indigenous activists

748
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Speaker 10: that gave their life fighting against Cop City, went by

749
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Speaker 10: they them. So please accept my apology and our apology

750
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Speaker 10: for this mistake in the podcast. But again, we wanted

751
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Speaker 10: to leave it in because it was too important and

752
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Speaker 10: too significant to tell Torteguito's story than it was to

753
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Speaker 10: snip it out. Due to this mistake, So hopefully you'll

754
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Speaker 10: understand and accept this disclaimer and apology for this mistake

755
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Speaker 10: and realized that was of course not intentional. Thank you.

756
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Speaker 10: There was a bunch of actual bodycam footage that's never

757
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Speaker 10: been released to the public. But at the same time,

758
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Speaker 10: the autopsy of him showed that his hands were up

759
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Speaker 10: in the position he was in when he got hit

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Speaker 10: with those multiple fourteen rounds. But we don't even get

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Speaker 10: to see the bodycam footage. And there was audio where

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Speaker 10: the cops at least implied that one of the cops

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Speaker 10: shot one of the other cops and that's what instigated

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Speaker 10: the shooting.

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Speaker 2: It's the kind of thing that, like, we don't know

766
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Speaker 2: what happened in the shooting of Tortuguhito, right We simply

767
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Speaker 2: don't know, in part because they haven't released a lot

768
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Speaker 2: of the information. And right now, the burden of proof

769
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Speaker 2: is on Tortighita in this case, or you know, people

770
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Speaker 2: who think he was unjustly killed to prove that he

771
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Speaker 2: didn't shoot the officer, as opposed to where I would

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Speaker 2: argue the burden of proof should be, which is on

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Speaker 2: the agents of the state. He shot somebody, right, like

774
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Speaker 2: if you were going to say, this kid pulled a

775
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Speaker 2: gun and fired on you. I want the proof, and

776
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Speaker 2: it's on you to give me the proof. And if

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Speaker 2: you the police do not prove beyond a shadow of

778
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Speaker 2: a doubt that you were in fear for your life

779
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Speaker 2: and being attacked when you use deadly force, my assumption

780
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Speaker 2: is going to be that you murdered a guy.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's.

782
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Speaker 2: How everyone should feel, right, Like, that should be how

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Speaker 2: we treat police violence in any society, not this the

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Speaker 2: United States. I mean, if you're listening to this in

785
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Speaker 2: the UK or Germany and you're a reasonable person, I

786
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Speaker 2: would think that your attitude should be Yes, if a

787
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Speaker 2: Bobby or whatever the Germans call their police kills somebody,

788
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Speaker 2: he should have to prove that he or she should

789
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Speaker 2: have to prove that they were an immediate fear of

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Speaker 2: their life, which is not so different from anybody else, right,

791
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Speaker 2: I can think of I can think of one police

792
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Speaker 2: shooting that I saw a video of spreading on Twitter,

793
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Speaker 2: where like a guy was literally like sprinting around in

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Speaker 2: traffic with a gun, like pointing it at people in

795
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Speaker 2: traffic and got shot and killed by an officer. And

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Speaker 2: I was like, look, if I'd had a gun and

797
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Speaker 2: felt like I could take the shot.

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Speaker 4: I might have shot that guy.

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Speaker 2: Too, because he was parjacking people at gunpoint and pointing

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Speaker 2: a firearm. And they're like, yeah, that's the case in

801
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Speaker 2: which maybe you have to shoot a guy because like

802
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Speaker 2: he could kill someone at any second, right, And I'm

803
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Speaker 2: not going to judge a police officer for shooting in

804
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Speaker 2: that instance, But I wouldn't judge a civilian either. I

805
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 2: don't have a different standard for them. If you are

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Speaker 2: a cop or a civilian and somebody shoots at you,

807
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Speaker 2: you have the right to defend yourself, right, but you

808
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Speaker 2: also should expect to prove that they.

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Speaker 4: Were trying to hurt you.

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Speaker 10: This is the challenge I have with all this is,

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Speaker 10: like you said, in any instance, that's a self defense shooting.

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Speaker 10: And in this and in many instances, law enforcement are

813
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Speaker 10: put in a situation where they're not necessarily even defending themselves,

814
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Speaker 10: but defending the community or others, and therefore they have justification.

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Speaker 10: I'm not to say here to say that every law

816
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Speaker 10: enforcement shooting is not justified. Many of them are, but

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Speaker 10: in the instances where there are questionable circumstances, of which

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Speaker 10: many we've just enumerated here, even instances in which they

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Speaker 10: have body cams on which are supposed to be would

820
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Speaker 10: validate their actions, but they won't release it to the

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Speaker 10: public to see it. It draws a very significant question

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Speaker 10: of the validity of these events and what they're doing

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Speaker 10: and why there I would say, no better way to

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Speaker 10: say than covering something up. In fact, going back to

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Speaker 10: Lieutenant Colonel Grossman, there's a video of him talking about

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Speaker 10: law enforcement, which of course extends to ice and Border patrol,

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Speaker 10: as the samurai of the land. And you know, that

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Speaker 10: reference isn't really a good one because when you know

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Speaker 10: what the samurai are, that's a disturbing statement. But in

830
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Speaker 10: his mind, he's making this point that they have these

831
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Speaker 10: tools that are for life and death and the right

832
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Speaker 10: to essentially kill, and referring to them as samurai. And

833
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Speaker 10: I think that mindset is sadly very much permeating the

834
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Speaker 10: law enforcement agencies of this country.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's the myths of the warrior cop.

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Speaker 2: And I think one of my frustrats here stems from

837
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Speaker 2: just as someone like you, I carry a firearm regularly,

838
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Speaker 2: and I think a lot about what would happen if

839
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Speaker 2: I had to use it, and I think about not

840
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Speaker 2: just the practicality of like, okay, am I trained properly

841
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Speaker 2: to use this thing competently?

842
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Speaker 4: You know?

843
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Speaker 2: But what would the order of operations need to be

844
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Speaker 2: if somebody tries to kill me and I successfully kill

845
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Speaker 2: or injure them with a firearm, Well, I'm going to

846
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: need to call the police immediately. I'm going to need

847
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Speaker 2: to contact a lawyer immediately. I'm going to hope that

848
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Speaker 2: there are eyewitnesses there. I'm going to hope and seek

849
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Speaker 2: to provide as much evidence that I possibly can that

850
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Speaker 2: I had no other choice to do what I was

851
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Speaker 2: going to do. Right, Any civilian carrying a firearm responsibly

852
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Speaker 2: thinks about the same things about like if I am

853
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Speaker 2: in a shooting. First off, there's the question if I

854
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Speaker 2: need to defend myself, But then there's immediately the question

855
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Speaker 2: if I need to defend myself in court and police

856
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Speaker 2: don't have that second part not really, not in a

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Speaker 2: way that matters.

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Speaker 10: And this, to me is why the Alex Pretty situation,

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Speaker 10: which was so visibly documented by multiple cameras, is such

860
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Speaker 10: a concern because in this instance, we see two officers

861
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Speaker 10: unload on the guy. One guy shoots him at least

862
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Speaker 10: once or twice, and then another guy unloads on him again,

863
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Speaker 10: and we have multiple video angles, Yet the narrative from

864
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Speaker 10: them is that this guy was attacking them, which is

865
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Speaker 10: clearly not the case on the video. I mean, you

866
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Speaker 10: can look at it from multiple angles, whether or not

867
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Speaker 10: you agree with his protest methods. He was not attacking anyone.

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Speaker 10: He was standing between them getting pepper sprayed and being

869
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Speaker 10: beaten with pepper spray can and then getting unloaded on

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Speaker 10: And at the same time, we now live in this

871
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Speaker 10: situation where at least some parts of the firearms community

872
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Speaker 10: or gun community, which isn't owning a thing, isn't a community,

873
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Speaker 10: but we use that term gun community. Like you said,

874
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Speaker 10: some of these rights groups have said something, but the

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Speaker 10: response to this is still disturbing to me because there's

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Speaker 10: a lot of people saying, well, don't show up to

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Speaker 10: a protest with a gun, don't be in public with

878
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Speaker 10: a gun, you can't bring gun. In fact, we saw

879
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Speaker 10: parts of the Trump administration saying don't show up with

880
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Speaker 10: a gun. This man had a handgun and two magazines

881
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 10: on him looking for trouble. Well, if he was, he

882
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Speaker 10: didn't have the gun out and by the way, carrying

883
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Speaker 10: a handgun with an extra magazine is by no means abnormal.

884
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Speaker 10: In fact, that's a normal procedure for most people that

885
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Speaker 10: concealed Carrie. If you and I were hanging out on

886
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Speaker 10: the street and we decided that we got into a

887
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Speaker 10: fight with some guy, you know, Sheila Woof comes out

888
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Speaker 10: of the bar and starts swinging on us, and then

889
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Speaker 10: and then not only did we punch him and knock

890
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Speaker 10: him to the ground, you shoot him, and then I

891
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Speaker 10: shoot him nine more times, and there's video evidence of that.

892
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 10: We're going to jail forever. But we at footage of

893
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Speaker 10: these guys doing this and really nothing comes of it.

894
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Speaker 2: Part of like what I really want to get across

895
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Speaker 2: to people is how bog standard this behavior is. The

896
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Speaker 2: agents that shot Preddi were experienced veterans. They were not newbies.

897
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Speaker 2: They were not proud boys who just gotten inducted into

898
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Speaker 2: the force, you know, and tasked with doing vigilante justice.

899
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Speaker 2: They were sworn law enforcement officers with decorated careers, and

900
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Speaker 2: they were acting the way the average cop expects people

901
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Speaker 2: to act in a lot of situations, or at least

902
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Speaker 2: at least a significant chunk of the law enforcement community

903
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Speaker 2: expects police officers to be able to act right, like,

904
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Speaker 2: I don't know that. I think most police officers are

905
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Speaker 2: going to shoot a man who has been disarmed when

906
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Speaker 2: he's in the middle of a pile of guys who

907
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Speaker 2: have their hands on him. But most police officers will

908
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Speaker 2: defend their colleagues who do the same right. That's almost

909
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Speaker 2: more of the issue. It's not that the average police

910
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Speaker 2: officer is looking for an excuse to shoot somebody. It's

911
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Speaker 2: that there's enough of those guys on the force and

912
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Speaker 2: all of their friends support them when they do it right.

913
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Speaker 2: And that doesn't exist on the civilian side of things,

914
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Speaker 2: right I think about like in Portland we had a

915
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Speaker 2: mass shooting that was stopped by a protester who was

916
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Speaker 2: then gave himself up to the police and was taken

917
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Speaker 2: into custod He was initially charged with murder. And if

918
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Speaker 2: there was the knowledge as a police officer that if

919
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Speaker 2: I shoot someone, whether or not, it's totally justified, the

920
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Speaker 2: next few months of my life are fucked completely. I'm

921
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Speaker 2: not getting time off to chill, I am having to

922
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Speaker 2: defend myself and have some of the worst stress of

923
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Speaker 2: my life. Maybe we'd have fewer police shootings right if

924
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Speaker 2: they knew it was going to be a miserable situation

925
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Speaker 2: whenever they drew their gun and fired on somebody.

926
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Speaker 4: And I think you have to have that be the understanding.

927
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Speaker 2: And I know, like the counterpoint that at least police

928
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Speaker 2: defenders will come up with is like, well, that might

929
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Speaker 2: make them less likely to defend themselves, and like, well,

930
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Speaker 2: then why are you calling them heroes if you're not

931
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Speaker 2: expecting them to risk their lives for the good of

932
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Speaker 2: the body politic? Right, we'll talk more about this, but first, ads.

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Speaker 10: What's really interesting about this? And I would think, I mean,

934
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Speaker 10: I'm sure you have a really large amount of cops

935
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Speaker 10: in the audience here, but here's the thing. Really, everyone

936
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 10: should be concerned about this, even cops, even border patrol,

937
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Speaker 10: even ice. Law enforcement in general should be concerned about

938
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Speaker 10: this because as this activity becomes frankly more common and

939
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Speaker 10: more accepted in their ranks, that thin blue line being

940
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Speaker 10: not one about solidarity but one of silence and lack

941
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Speaker 10: of justice, that puts them a danger too, because if

942
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Speaker 10: a person or people are so afraid of the reality

943
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Speaker 10: of the fact that they can be just executed in

944
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Speaker 10: the street with no repercussions of it, it sort of

945
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Speaker 10: gives civilians, well it takes away our trust in the system.

946
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Speaker 10: There's no due process. You can just die for nothing

947
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Speaker 10: for having a cell phone in your pocket. It'll make

948
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Speaker 10: some people more reckless in their actions when dealing with

949
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 10: law enforcement because they are like, what do I have

950
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 10: to lose. I'm gonna die anyway.

951
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Speaker 2: It's the same logical problem as if you're like, well,

952
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: armed robberies should have the same consequences as killing a guy,

953
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 2: or they should be very similar. Your life should be

954
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Speaker 2: over either way. Well, then what's the reason not to

955
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Speaker 2: shoot someone and kill them in a robbery. Leaving them

956
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Speaker 2: alive just increases the odds they identify you. If you're

957
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Speaker 2: looking at the difference between thirty years in prison or

958
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 2: fifty years in prison for robbery and murder, why not

959
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Speaker 2: just commit the murder right Like, it's this calculus that's

960
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 2: being forced on people. If you know, any time the

961
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Speaker 2: police take you into custody or start to move to

962
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Speaker 2: put hands on you, you feel like there's a very good

963
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 2: chance they're just going to murder you, then people are

964
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: going to start making very different choices when they're physically

965
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Speaker 2: in contact with the police, and that makes life a

966
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Speaker 2: lot more dangerous for everybody. And that's part of why

967
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 2: this is what we're seeing is just so fucking irresponsible.

968
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Speaker 10: And historically there's realities for this too, depending on what

969
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Speaker 10: part of the community or who you know, your demographic,

970
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Speaker 10: if you want to go back to the past, whether

971
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Speaker 10: or not you agree or disagree with like the politics

972
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Speaker 10: or actions of for example, the Black Panthers, the reality

973
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 10: is because black men were just shot by cops with

974
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 10: no justice being delivered ever, they started taking on strategies

975
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 10: and policies that reflected that fear and concern. But now

976
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Speaker 10: that's being extended to people well beyond that, when we

977
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 10: see middle class VA nurses with a license being killed

978
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 10: the same way, well, this is what's been going on

979
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 10: in those communities for decades and decades, well before the

980
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 10: Civil War. Let's be realistic. And so I'm not saying

981
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Speaker 10: that was right or wrong, but I'm saying it is

982
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 10: a logical conclusion. When you fear that the agents of

983
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 10: the state can kill you and there's no justice to

984
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Speaker 10: ever be had, well what do you have to lose?

985
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Speaker 2: When we were talking about this early, you brought up

986
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Speaker 2: something the Attorney General of Arizona had said recently on

987
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Speaker 2: the subject of ice agents who are not identifiable as

988
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Speaker 2: law enforcement coming to your door with guns.

989
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Speaker 10: I don't have the direct quote, but I'm paraphrasing here,

990
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Speaker 10: but it was along the lines of if people are

991
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Speaker 10: at your doors that are unidentified with masks in Arizona,

992
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 10: the castle doctrine essentially provides you the right to use

993
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 10: force against them. And that is a very interesting statement

994
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Speaker 10: to be made by someone as high in power of

995
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 10: government of a state level at that point. But I mean,

996
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Speaker 10: there's some truth to that, and the reality is when

997
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 10: people aren't identifiable, it is very easy to show up.

998
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 10: And I mean we've already seen examples of people pretending

999
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 10: to be ice because it's very easy to put on

1000
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 10: some body armors, some camouflage and a mask and look

1001
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 10: like these guys that are not identifiable. And therefore, when

1002
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 10: that is the case, how do you know what's there

1003
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 10: and what you're facing is even law enforcement in the

1004
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 10: first place.

1005
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And this is Chris Mays, Chris with a

1006
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 2: Kay who's a Democrat, and the Arizona Attorney General. And

1007
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 2: as you said, the way that it was framed in

1008
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 2: this conversation was basically, this is a disaster because if

1009
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 2: you have law enforcement agents that you can't identify people

1010
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: absolutely have a right to just start blasting in Arizona

1011
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 2: based on Castle doctrine, And in fact, the interviewer in

1012
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 2: that brom Resnik, asked, like, are you giving people permission

1013
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 2: to shoot federal agents? And May said, like the law does, right,

1014
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 2: Like that's the issue. You know, how do you know

1015
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 2: if some guy's just in a mask at your door

1016
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 2: with a gun. How do you know? And the fact

1017
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 2: that you're expecting Americans, a jumpy country of paranoid conspiracy

1018
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 2: theorists with four hundred million guns to see masked men

1019
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: at their doors and show discretion.

1020
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 4: Seems like a bad bet to me.

1021
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 10: You know, this comes back to the point I was making.

1022
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 10: I don't think the Attorney General was there was saying

1023
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 10: just go shoot federal agents. I don't think that was

1024
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 10: the point. The point was simply what I mentioned earlier,

1025
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 10: which is when you can't identify, or you don't know

1026
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 10: what is going on, or you're in a situation in

1027
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 10: which these people are not acting in a reasonable manner,

1028
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 10: you don't know what you're dealing with. It's the same

1029
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 10: thing I mentioned earlier, in which if you're that concern

1030
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 10: or you don't believe that due process or justice is

1031
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 10: going to be served, your decision making logic might very

1032
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 10: well change. And like you said, in a country where

1033
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 10: many people are armed, I think this is something that

1034
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 10: every side of this issue should be concerned about, including

1035
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 10: the law enforcement agents, because they are at risk too.

1036
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 10: As this continues, the risk to them increases, which will

1037
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,479
Speaker 10: then be used to justify more force against civilians because

1038
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 10: it's a vicious circle. Well, that's a fun note to

1039
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 10: end on, Carl. I want to direct people towards en

1040
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Speaker 10: Range TV. You mentioned that you have a video about

1041
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 10: one of the shootings that we talked about, so I

1042
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 10: want to let you kind of plug that at the end. Yeah, thanks, Robert,

1043
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 10: I appreciate that a lot. So in Range TV is

1044
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 10: my video project. It's about ten years old.

1045
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Speaker 2: Now.

1046
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 10: You can just find it at range dot tv, which

1047
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 10: is my website, or you can just google in Range

1048
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 10: TV on YouTube and you'll find it immediately. The algorithm

1049
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 10: will give it to you. But the search engines bight

1050
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 10: and the video that I'm referencing there, and there's a

1051
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 10: lot of them on there in regards to topics like

1052
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 10: this historically speaking, but the specific one about Danziger Bridge

1053
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 10: is right there. So if you go to Range TV

1054
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 10: and type in Danziger Bridge dn ZINGR, you will find

1055
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 10: that two thousand and five shooting, which is just an

1056
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Speaker 10: example of so many of these that happened. And I

1057
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 10: do have some discussions on there about recent events about

1058
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 10: Alex Pretty and such as well. So Robert, thank you

1059
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 10: for having me back on the show. I always appreciate it,

1060
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 10: and I appreciate our collaborations. And hopefully somehow this stuff

1061
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 10: makes a difference.

1062
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope so too.

1063
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: But at least I think it gives people something to

1064
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 2: like expect, right, like to look at this is kind

1065
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 2: of the cycle we're going to continue to see unless

1066
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: they pull back, unless ice and border patrols start using

1067
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 2: a great deal more discretion. Like, I think we've given

1068
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 2: people an idea of like where the future is trending,

1069
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 2: you know, and I unfortunately I'm not super optimistic about

1070
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 2: it right now, but you know tomorrow's unwritten.

1071
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Speaker 11: Welcome to it happened here. I'm Garrison Davis, joined by

1072
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 11: James Stout.

1073
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Speaker 8: Hello, I get what are we What are we learning about? Today?

1074
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 11: We are going to be learning about a man named

1075
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 11: James Fishback.

1076
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 8: Okay, get first name.

1077
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, I've wanted to get someone kind of unbiased,

1078
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 11: but I now understand, unfortunately that you might be might

1079
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 11: be just kind of, you know, drawn drawn to him.

1080
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, I've come here to defend the James name.

1081
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,919
Speaker 4: I don't think that defense will last very long.

1082
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 8: I okay.

1083
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 11: James Fishback is a former Hedge fun analyst who's been

1084
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 11: worming his way into the political world of the New

1085
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 11: Right during the past two to three years.

1086
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm giving up on that one already. Got no

1087
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 8: interest in defending this guy.

1088
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Speaker 11: If you're active on you know, any kind of political feeds,

1089
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Speaker 11: whether that's you know, short short form video, blue sky Twitter,

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Speaker 11: you've probably seen a video or two of James fish Back.

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Speaker 11: But this episode we're gonna dive a little bit more

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Speaker 11: into his background and his current political activities, which includes

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Speaker 11: some things you probably haven't heard before. So James Fishback

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Speaker 11: has tried to attach himself to a lot of, you know,

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Speaker 11: various aspects of the New Right. He attempted to attach

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Speaker 11: himself to the presidential campaign of a vek Ramaswami back

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Speaker 11: in the Uldie days.

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Speaker 8: Okay, yeah, remember when.

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Speaker 11: But he did so just by like showing up at

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Speaker 11: campaign staff events. He wasn't a staffer, like he just

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Speaker 11: kept like appearing. He asked, like, stay overnight at a

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Speaker 11: hotel that this staff was all staying at for this

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00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 11: campaign event in Florida, and tried to build a personal

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Speaker 11: rapport with the VEC over a few months, and eventually

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00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 11: Fishback outstayed is welcome. He then pivoted to becoming what

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Speaker 11: I would call a D tier right wing commentator and

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Speaker 11: an advocate of Doge. In twenty twenty five, Fishback was

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Speaker 11: a frequent guest on Like News, netw Works, CNN, Fox

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00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 11: and others, speaking as a quote unquote Doge advisor. Huh,

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Speaker 11: a role that he never officially had great never actually

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00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 11: worked with Doge. His quote unquote advising was through adding

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Speaker 11: Elon Musk on Twitter with random suggestions.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, just at least literally in their comments online.

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Speaker 11: And yeah, his Doge claim to fame is that he

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00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 11: came up with this idea of the Doge dividend, which

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00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 11: is like a stimulus type check that the government would

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Speaker 11: send to people based on the savings that they found

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Speaker 11: or created through slashing government agencies. Cool, So that that

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00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 11: was his idea that he added Elon Musk about and

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Speaker 11: this idea gained some traction, and then this this kind

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Speaker 11: of boosted his image as a quote unquote Doage advisor

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Speaker 11: and helped him trick news agencies into boosting his public

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Speaker 11: profile by associating him with Doge. Eventually, this led to

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Speaker 11: DOGE official Katie Miller, wife of Steven Miller, having to

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Speaker 11: clarify in July twenty twenty five that Fishback was not

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Speaker 11: involved with Doge in any way, but he got a

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Speaker 11: lot of traction off of this Doge advisor thing right

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Speaker 11: back when Ramaswami left Doge.

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, it's forgotten that he did. Wow, how time flies.

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Speaker 11: Before the inauguration, because he was planning on and is

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Speaker 11: planning on running for governor of Ohio, Fishback tried to

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00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 11: put his name in as like a hey, all become

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Speaker 11: the co chair of dog elon since my pal Ramaswami

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Speaker 11: is going to be busy. That also, you know, did

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Speaker 11: not did not work obviously.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, what needy guy.

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Speaker 4: He's just very very needy, very clingy.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, paid, very parasocial.

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Speaker 11: Yes, And after Katie Miller released a statement being like

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Speaker 11: this guy's not part of Doge, Fishback began lobbying Trump

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Speaker 11: for the vacant seat on the Federal Reserve Board of Governors.

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Speaker 8: Really no shame.

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Speaker 11: Based on his you know, credentials as this like patriotic

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00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 11: America first investor right who's worked at a hedge fund

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00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 11: or two and tried tried to get his way onto

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00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 11: the SPACON seat. When that didn't turn out, obviously, Fishback

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00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 11: set his sights on his home state of Florida, launching

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Speaker 11: what I would call a groper style campaign for governor

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Speaker 11: Cool and this is what we're going to be discussing

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Speaker 11: for the rest of this episode.

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Speaker 8: I'm not like intimately familiar with the grouper space, but

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Speaker 8: this seems to be like the most kind of like

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00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 8: Beata behavior to constantly like notice me, uh, I forget

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Speaker 8: what that's a wed that begins with s pick me, No, yeah,

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Speaker 8: it could be pick me. I guess it's like a

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Speaker 8: notice me SEMPI or something that people say.

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Speaker 4: I never expected you to say noticed with.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I've unfortunately I've been on the internet too. Like

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Speaker 8: that's what he seems, right. He seems like extremely uh yes, yeah, listen,

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00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 8: is like I think what would be coded as like

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Speaker 8: beata behavior in the.

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Speaker 11: Yeah and now he's kind of trying to do this

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Speaker 11: with when tesen the Gropers, although as to this point,

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Speaker 11: more successfully Okay, he's actually more successfully ingratiated himself with

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Speaker 11: the Groper's space. On Tucker Carlson interview, he talked about

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Speaker 11: how the Twitter account sorry x account af News or

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Speaker 11: af post it's America first post America First News was

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Speaker 11: a part of his like political radicalization towards the sort

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Speaker 11: of Groper's style politics. This is like a news aggregation

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Speaker 11: account that promotes far right nationalist talking points through and

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Speaker 11: like framing through various news stories. A lot of people

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Speaker 11: used to share a post with this account, like not

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Speaker 11: knowing its political orientation, just because it was very active

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Speaker 11: as a news aggregation source.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, there are a few of those on Twitter, like

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Speaker 8: bno news is another one that just aggregates from repost.

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Speaker 11: Stuff and you know, Fischback has pointed to this as

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Speaker 11: being a part of his like Graper style.

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Speaker 4: Read pilling is the activity of this.

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Speaker 11: Account to get a sense of his kind of very

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01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 11: groper online background or at least like a place within

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Speaker 11: the new right. I'm going to read a tweet of

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Speaker 11: his from February eighth, twenty twenty six, quote as Florida Governor.

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Speaker 11: I will refuse to let sub human gesterres spike our

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Speaker 11: collective cortisol, not even once. Also, no foids or egirls unquote.

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Speaker 11: How much of that do you understand?

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Speaker 8: James, I got cortisol. I'm familiar, all right, Okay.

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Speaker 11: So yeah, this is using the kind of currently trendy

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Speaker 11: like looks maxing terms the jester, which has been used

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Speaker 11: a lot since Clivicular's stream with Fuentes and sneak O

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Speaker 11: at that club where they played the Kanye hal Hitler song.

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Speaker 11: Spiking cortisol is a frequent way that people in the

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Speaker 11: looks back in space will refer to your stress being raised,

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01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 11: especially like through politics, Like through politics raising your stress. Okay,

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Speaker 11: and foids an ego is just like misogynistic ways to

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Speaker 11: refer to women coming out of like the in cell space. Okay,

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Speaker 11: So you know this this post is you know, kind

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Speaker 11: of a joke, but it's also signaling to a certain

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Speaker 11: a certain type of person that hey, I'm.

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Speaker 8: Your guy, Yeah, I speak your language.

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Speaker 11: And it's also just really annoying. Right, He's he's trying

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01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 11: to be off putting on purpose because that will drive

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Speaker 11: attention to him from people who don't like him, and

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Speaker 11: you know, and try to cover him in this episode,

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Speaker 11: you know, I'm trying to like ride that line of

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Speaker 11: not just unnecessarily giving him publicity because he has outrageous things,

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Speaker 11: but then also framing his rising profile within a certain

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Speaker 11: like context, which is Groyper candidates popping up more and

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Speaker 11: more frequently across the United States.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: So, in terms of Florida, Desantists can't run for another term.

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Speaker 4: He is term limited.

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Speaker 11: The clear front runner to succeed Dysantis is US Representative

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Speaker 11: from Florida Byron Donald's who has Trump's endorsement. Last month,

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Speaker 11: Lieutenant Governor j Collins also announced to run for governor.

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Speaker 11: But Fishback is not a non player in this race,

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Speaker 11: and his candidacy displays attention within the Republican Party between

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Speaker 11: the former like Tea Party and classical MEGA wing, which

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Speaker 11: is now the effective conservative establishment, and this New America

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Speaker 11: First wing, which takes some of Mega's originating principles to

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Speaker 11: their far right nationalist conclusion. I talked about this tension

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Speaker 11: last year in the episodes about Nick Fuentez's interview with

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Speaker 11: Tucker Carlson and this surge of Graper adjacent gen Z

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Speaker 11: staffers filling out the ranks of the Republican machine in DC. Now,

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Speaker 11: Fishback is one of the first candidates to draw a

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01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 11: lot of attention by essentially running as a graper candidate,

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Speaker 11: and depending on how well he does, it could indicate

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Speaker 11: how successful this politics can be when presented in front

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Speaker 11: of Republican voters. The primary election isn't doneuntil August. There's

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Speaker 11: not tons of polling yet on this race, like let

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Speaker 11: alone from a stafflish pollsters, But as of late January,

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Speaker 11: Fishback's most favorable pole puts him fifteen points behind front

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Speaker 11: runner Byron Donald's according to quote.

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Speaker 4: Unquote Patriot polling.

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Speaker 11: Meanwhile, Donald's own sponsored poll puts them upwards of forty

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Speaker 11: two points ahead of Fishback around the new year. So

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Speaker 11: all this stuff is really out of date night and

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Speaker 11: Fishback certainly has risen his profile since then, but we're

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01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 11: still waiting on like reliable polls to come out. Yeah,

1240
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 11: but he's certainly getting a lot of headlines and is

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01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 11: doing a successful job in raising his public profile.

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Speaker 4: Now. Part of Fishback's strategy to.

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Speaker 11: Raise his public profile and like name recognition both in

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Speaker 11: Florida and nationally, it seems to be just through generating

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01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 11: controversy very similar to how Fuentes did this or the

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01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 11: more recent social ascension of the looksmaxing streamer clovicular. Earlier

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Speaker 11: this month, Fishback claimed that a fire was quote intentionally

1248
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 11: set in his sideyard, prompting him to do a publicity

1249
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 11: stunt where he walked out of his porch holding an

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01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 11: AR fifteen style rifle above his head, promising to shoot

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Speaker 11: anyone who attempts to harm him and his staff. I

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Speaker 11: will share a clip.

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Speaker 8: I've seen this one. I'm excited to wash it again there.

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Speaker 12: If you come back to this home and our staff,

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01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 12: our volunteers are working hard.

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Speaker 4: We're not waiting for the police.

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Speaker 13: We're gonna shoot you with an AR fifteen sight on scene.

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Speaker 4: Five five six. Yeah, that's what we're going to do.

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Speaker 4: It's very simple. Shall not be infringe? We have a right.

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Speaker 8: It's just a bunch of woods. They're saying, like, no

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Speaker 8: in any particular. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't make much sense.

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Speaker 8: It doesn't know it. It's also five point five six.

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Speaker 8: I guess people do call it five five six bit Yeah, fascinating,

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Speaker 8: two two three thirty round doesn't as you have a

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Speaker 8: sine in there? I noticed no, no, that bake sites

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Speaker 8: folded down as well. It's for those familiar with such things,

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Speaker 8: a straight at the box Smith and Western MP fifteen.

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Speaker 8: It looks like he may have bought it quite recently.

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Speaker 11: So this is one such incident where he tried to

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01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 11: generate some kind of publicity through this, you know, very

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01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 11: provocative gesture. But he's also done this through the language

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Speaker 11: he uses. Fishback refers to front runner Byron Donalds, who

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Speaker 11: is black as by Rone, which is just not his name,

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Speaker 11: and has said, quote by Rone wants to turn Florida

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Speaker 11: into a section eight to ghetto unquote. He's also used

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01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 11: Charlemagne's nickname for Hakeem Jeffries a pac Shakur to refer

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Speaker 11: to Donald's, and has called Donald's a quote unquote slave

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01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 11: to his donors Jesus Christ. So yeah, a lot of

1279
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Speaker 11: stuff like that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Fishback has proposed a fifty percent income tax on OnlyFans creators,

1282
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 11: calling it a quote unquote syntax, and one of his

1283
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 11: very first campaign videos was titled I'm running for Florida

1284
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Speaker 11: Governor to make the trains run on time.

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Speaker 4: Oh cool?

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01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 11: So this has not like generated tons of controversy in headlines. Yeah,

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01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 11: it's you know, caused some social media posters to be like, oh,

1288
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 11: look at this guy clearly doing a Nazi dog whistle.

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01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 11: But then it's also signaled you know, early early in

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01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 11: the campaign signals to you know, grapers and people in

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01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 11: the very very far fringes of the right, has signaled

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01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 11: to them that hey, I'm going to be your guy. Yeah,

1293
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 11: which in part he's doing so that he can count

1294
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 11: on them to kind of do free, free publicity for him, right,

1295
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 11: Like he wants to activate a certain type of overly

1296
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 11: online young male to be like a public spokesperson to

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01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 11: like to just to boost his name recognition. And even

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01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 11: if he doesn't win in Florida in this race, it'

1299
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,959
Speaker 11: at least help his career like nationally in some way.

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Speaker 11: So he's he's counting on this like a graper block

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Speaker 11: to do a lot of heavy lifting. And that's part

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Speaker 11: of what he does. Some of these very very late,

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Speaker 11: gross tongue in cheek stuff make them trains run on time.

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Speaker 11: Come on, dude, Yeah, it's like a clumsy dog whistle, right,

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Speaker 11: It's embarrassing. There's no like a sleight of hand here

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Speaker 11: or whatever. You know, he's just kind of blundering his

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Speaker 11: way towards being like look at me Nazis. Yeah, and

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Speaker 11: like this video he just talked about trying to bring

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Speaker 11: back the Amtrak to the Florida Panhandle.

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Speaker 4: It's like a one minute video.

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Speaker 8: Cool.

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Speaker 11: It had nothing to do about actually like making trains

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Speaker 11: run on time. It's about trying to return Amtrak to

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Speaker 11: a certain section of Florida. Fitchback has promised to quote

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Speaker 11: divest every penny from Israel on day one unquote, which

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Speaker 11: would include three hundred and eighty five million in foreign

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Speaker 11: bonds invested in by the state. And he's opposed to

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Speaker 11: adopting anti Semitism definitions in schools that make it quote

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Speaker 11: unquote against the law to criticize Israel.

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Speaker 8: H yeah, Yes, this is where the right and the

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Speaker 8: soft dare.

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Speaker 4: I bet.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm sure it's Israel you'll concern with here.

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Speaker 11: Buddy, Yeah, no, I bet, I'm sure he's not to

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Speaker 11: being this out of you know, principled stances of Palestinian solidarity.

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Speaker 8: And he just wants to do anti Semitism like the

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Speaker 8: old fashioned way.

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Speaker 11: Yes, And this can be displayed during a campaign event

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Speaker 11: at the University of Central Florida where Fishback discussed how

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Speaker 11: to make lunches in high school cafeterias more healthy topic,

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Speaker 11: what's with.

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Speaker 12: The pop tarts in the Broward County public schools in

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Speaker 12: the cafeterias. I'm not saying that the test scores are

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Speaker 12: a result of the pop tarts, but if you wanted

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Speaker 12: kids to fail, if you wanted to set up our

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Speaker 12: kids for failure, you would feed them the absolute boy

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Speaker 12: slop in our cafeterias.

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Speaker 4: And that that is on gentile.

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Speaker 8: Okay, everyone's really excited to hear that. Hey, uh yep, wow, Yeah,

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Speaker 8: I mean the crowd is like they love it. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: but it also looks like they just derived from like

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Speaker 8: a Southern Florida be a pong invitational tournament. Like it's uh,

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Speaker 8: it's a lot of like frat boid type.

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Speaker 11: Yes, it's a lot of the people who are who

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01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 11: consumed like the menosphere type content online. Yeah, short clips

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01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 11: of Nick Fuentes probably aren't regularly tuning into his like

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01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 11: three hour livestream on Rumble, but engage with his content

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Speaker 11: through short clips online. Yeah, same thing with like sneak

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Speaker 11: o clvicular Right, it's it's it's this type of this

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Speaker 11: type of influencer which has right wing politics, but they

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Speaker 11: aren't like super invested in politics. It's this it's this

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01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:44,839
Speaker 11: mix of like post in cell male influencers that combine

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01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 11: right wing politics, and it's a very common form of

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01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 11: like entertainment for these people that we see in the

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Speaker 11: background this video. Right, it's a lot of college guys

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Speaker 11: eighteen to twenty two.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's like it's mostly white men, yeah, from like

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Speaker 8: traditional college age.

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Speaker 11: Speaking of schools, in twenty twenty two, a Florida school

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Speaker 11: district cut ties with Fishback's debate organization after a female

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Speaker 11: student came forward with allegations at Fishback quote initiated a

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Speaker 11: romantic relationship unquote with her while she was working for

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Speaker 11: his student debate organization when she was seventeen years old

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Speaker 11: he was twenty seven.

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Speaker 4: Jesus.

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Speaker 11: The student claimed in a protection order request that after

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Speaker 11: joining the debate organization when she was sixteen, Fishback quote

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Speaker 11: unquote systematically cultivated a relationship with her by increasing quote

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Speaker 11: unquote opportunities for personal interaction, and that Fishback later quote

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Speaker 11: unquote explicitly directed her to keep the relationship a secret

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Speaker 11: while she was working for his school debate organization. Jesus,

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Speaker 11: after turning eighteen, she moved in with Fishback. The two

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Speaker 11: were briefly engaged. Fishback denies the student's characterization of the

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Speaker 11: relationship timeline. After the girl broke up with him, Fishback

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Speaker 11: allegedly sent hundreds of unanswered texts to her over several days.

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Speaker 11: This information comes out of a harassment case that was

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Speaker 11: later dismissed. The case wasn't about the legality of their relationship, importantly,

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Speaker 11: it was about harassment after the two had broken up,

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Speaker 11: where these details emerged.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, his debate organization, this is some kind of like

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Speaker 8: like plastic turning point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it kind of it was.

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Speaker 11: It was a Florida based debate organization in high schools

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Speaker 11: to encourage encourage debate. It was active around twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 11: It was bought by another company a year or two ago,

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01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 11: but in twenty twenty two a district ended cooperation with

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Speaker 11: this organization after news came out about this relationship. Yeah,

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Speaker 11: it is interesting considering the amount that Fishback and Fuentes

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Speaker 11: and these guys will talk about the Epstein file and

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Speaker 11: then have this in your.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, inappropriate relationships with underage women.

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Speaker 11: Yeah that work for you in your high school debate organization.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that gives me the age in a substantial way.

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Speaker 8: Also kind of not that surprising from this kind of

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Speaker 8: area of the right, but it's still gross.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's time for an ad break, but we will

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Speaker 11: return to discuss fishbacks reoccurring campaign rhetoric and his promises

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Speaker 11: as governor.

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Speaker 4: All right, we're back.

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Speaker 11: A big part of Fishback's campaign is targeting H one

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01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 11: B visas he promised on day one as governor to

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Speaker 11: fire as many H one B workers as you can

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Speaker 11: and quote unquote incentivize companies to hire Americans. Again, here's

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01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 11: a radio appearance where he discusses.

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Speaker 14: This on the first day in office. I would fire

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Speaker 14: every single H one B who works at a state agency.

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Speaker 14: Number two, if you have a state contract with Tallahassee,

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Speaker 14: I don't care if it's serving NILS or serving.

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Speaker 4: Up IT tech support.

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Speaker 14: You have twenty four hours to pick, as President Reagan said, Drew,

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01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 14: now is the time for choosing.

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01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 4: You got to pick.

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01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 14: Do you want your fifty million dollars a year state

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01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 14: contract from Tallahassee or do you want your fifty year,

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01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 14: one hundred h one bees.

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01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 4: You pick. You can't have both.

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Speaker 14: There's no negotiating, and you have twenty four hours that's

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Speaker 14: how we create a culture that stands up for the

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Speaker 14: dignity of American workers.

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Speaker 8: That's an interesting approach, Like you can't get h one

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Speaker 8: b jobs not for the federal government, but for state government.

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Speaker 8: I kind of imagine that, especially in Florida, there are very.

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Speaker 11: Many Well, he's not just concerned about h one bes.

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Speaker 11: Fischback is also railed against student visas as a threat

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Speaker 11: to the American way of life, and has falsely said

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Speaker 11: that Trump plants descended two hundred thousand students from China

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Speaker 11: to Florida's public universities, which serve only about four hundred

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Speaker 11: and thirty thousand students, so.

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Speaker 8: They'd be like forty five percent.

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Speaker 4: It's not real. It's that's just not true.

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01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 11: Yeah, this was proposed as an idea, not Florida specifically.

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Speaker 11: But this was proposed in spring of twenty twenty five

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Speaker 11: as a negotiating tactic with China over tariffs. This isn't

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01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 11: a real thing. Since then, Fishback has promised to raise

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Speaker 11: tuition on all foreign students to one million dollars via

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01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 11: executive order. The governor cannot legally raise state school tuition

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Speaker 11: via executive order.

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Speaker 4: These are just words that he's saying, well, so like.

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Speaker 8: A lot of these state schools having a certain number

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01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 8: of students who are paying a higher fee, be that

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01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,440
Speaker 8: the non US or out of state, like it's integral

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01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 8: to their budgeting, right, Like, yeah, they're not making it

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Speaker 8: on in state tuition.

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Speaker 11: Fishbag has talked about all this in an interview on

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Speaker 11: Tucker Carlson's Internet show last month, where he said that

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01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,719
Speaker 11: a child quote from Shenngin, who doesn't know what Florida

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01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 11: orange juice tastes like, can't possibly in an economic sense,

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01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,600
Speaker 11: but I think I mean not to sound gay, but

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01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 11: in a spiritual sense, does not represent our state and

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01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 11: our heritage unquote. Tucker replied, that's the opposite of gay. Actually,

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01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:33,879
Speaker 11: quote that's.

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Speaker 8: A head of an exchange of words. Again, Like I'm

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01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 8: like a little lost here.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, this is this is a sizable faction of the

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01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:45,440
Speaker 11: new right of of the of of of the gropers

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01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 11: who are filling staffer positions at Heritage and in DC,

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01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:52,440
Speaker 11: Like this is the sort of media environment, like linguistic

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01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 11: environment that that they that they are coming out of,

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01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 11: and the pearl clutchy reaction is is not useful here, right,

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01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 11: I'm not like who cares right, this is obviously embarrassing.

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Speaker 11: This is like a man in his thirties trying to

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01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 11: sound like a kind of homophobic eighteen year old who's

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Speaker 11: kind of only homophobic via like linguistic reflux.

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Speaker 4: This is like embarrassing cosplay.

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01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's very cringe.

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Speaker 11: I can't even find this stuff offensive, Like this is

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Speaker 11: this is just it's.

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01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 8: No, it's sad. Like the primary sentiment I feel is

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01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 8: like vicarious shame, yeah, for this guy and his like

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01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 8: desperate search for attention.

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Speaker 11: Now, a core component of selling fascism into people is

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Speaker 11: that they were promised a future that's now been taken

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01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 11: away from them because of some people that are the enemy. Right,

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01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 11: this is like the dream of finding a subservient wife,

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Speaker 11: a cushy, full time job, buying a home, raising two

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Speaker 11: point five kids in a safe and secure homeland. But

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Speaker 11: because of quote unquote them, this dream is no longer possible.

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Speaker 11: Through the years, we've seen different versions of this targeting Jews, Feminists,

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Speaker 11: palace Indians, Muslims, Mexicans, Central and South American immigrants. Now,

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Speaker 11: during Fishbeck's Carlson interview, he elucidated on like an updated

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Speaker 11: version of the like twenty first century version of the

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Speaker 11: American dream that was stolen from gen Z.

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Speaker 13: Gen Z was such an important part of the president's

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01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 13: victory last year. Yes, and they feel betrayed by a

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01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 13: lot of these Trump advisors and what they've chosen to

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Speaker 13: prioritize and not.

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Speaker 4: I can see why.

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Speaker 13: And when I've met them, and I've met them where

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Speaker 13: they are at their universities, whether it's UF a couple

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01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:36,680
Speaker 13: of weeks ago, I'll be at FSU and just a

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Speaker 13: couple weeks from now. Their number one frustration is that, look,

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Speaker 13: they don't want to be lectured anymore. They got a degree,

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01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 13: they got good grades, they got good test scores. They

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01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 13: didn't study gender studies or black intersectionality. They did the

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01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 13: stem thing that Republicans told them to do, learn to code,

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Speaker 13: Learn to code. And now they say, you know what Amazon,

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Speaker 13: Google fed acts. No, No, those jobs aren't available for you,

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01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 13: upesky Americans. You want paid time off, you want to

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Speaker 13: go to church on Sunday. We're going to give those

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Speaker 13: jobs to an entire new class of foreign serfs known

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Speaker 13: as the Indians and the Chinese. And we're not going

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Speaker 13: to even interview you for those positions. They don't even

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01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 13: pretend that the Chinese or the Indians are smarter. They're not.

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01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,919
Speaker 13: They don't speak our language, they have no skin.

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Speaker 4: In they're not smarter.

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Speaker 13: Act they're not at all.

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Speaker 14: I know.

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Speaker 13: And so the issue then becomes, do we actually have

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01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 13: a labor market that is utterly rigged against American citizens?

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Speaker 13: The answer is yes.

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Speaker 11: I think this is a really interesting exchange on a

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Speaker 11: sort of slide that's happening on the right.

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Speaker 4: Beyond talking about like illegal immigrants.

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Speaker 8: What's really interesting to me is that like the first

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Speaker 8: real immigration lik restrictions that were part of the United

1516
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 8: States was the Chinese Exclusion Act, right, Yeah, and we

1517
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 8: have circled all the way back to essentially a very

1518
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 8: similar argument.

1519
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1520
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 11: The slide from talking about illegal immigrants in like the

1521
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 11: far right space to really honing in on on student

1522
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 11: visa's foreign workers, I think is an interesting pivot. And

1523
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,600
Speaker 11: this new version of the American dream of like, you know,

1524
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 11: stem jobs, learned to code that's now been taken away,

1525
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 11: that's no longer accessible because so many young Americans aren't

1526
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 11: getting hired because they're adamant about going to church on Sunday.

1527
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 4: Something that's not true. That's not real.

1528
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's not a real thing.

1529
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 11: First of all, young Americans are not in large numbers

1530
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:29,640
Speaker 11: going to church on Sunday. Nor is their hiring this

1531
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 11: discrimination because they don't want to work on Sundays. Right,

1532
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,600
Speaker 11: These things aren't aren't real, but it taps into a

1533
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 11: certain feeling that someone in college might might have right now,

1534
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 11: especially in the wake of like ai Vibe coding, of

1535
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 11: they were told that there's this like lifetrack where you

1536
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 11: can work in tech, and now there really isn't many

1537
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 11: tech jobs open to people, and they're trying to turn

1538
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 11: this situation into this fight against legal immigration.

1539
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, into fascism. It's funny to see Colson repeating that

1540
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:00,080
Speaker 8: they learned to code thing, as if that was like

1541
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 8: a serious piece of career advice given to people Like

1542
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 8: that has been a meme for no close to a decade. Yeah,

1543
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 8: like everybody knew there was bullshit that it's it's literally

1544
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 8: like that. The phrase is a joke.

1545
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 11: Fishback later says after this little rant that quote, our

1546
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 11: north Star should not be a free market but a

1547
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 11: free people. He's okay, if the market's not freeze, Okay,

1548
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 11: if we're going to be restricting which types of workers

1549
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 11: are allowed, as long as we have a free American people.

1550
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:29,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1551
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 11: So his strategy for winning this race appears to be

1552
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 11: through appealing to homeowners and prospective homeowners through tax cuts

1553
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 11: and down payment assistance, but then also really trying to

1554
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 11: engage gen Z voters. Looking at the successive of previous politicians,

1555
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 11: including Trump and how much of his victory was related

1556
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 11: to the gen Z vote, He's he's really really honing

1557
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 11: in on trying to activate young voters in Florida. He's

1558
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 11: planning to visit every single state college and so university

1559
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 11: and talked with these issues as a social media stunt.

1560
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 11: He's going on a statewide waffle house tour, visiting all

1561
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 11: the locations in the state. Great and through this he

1562
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 11: continues to talk about these beliefs on legal immigration. In

1563
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 11: an interview with a local magazine, Fishbeck discussed his belief

1564
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 11: in the quote unquote great replacement, stated quote, you can't

1565
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 11: make America great again with Chinese, you can't make America

1566
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 11: great again with Indians. You can't make America great again

1567
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:25,480
Speaker 11: with Haitians. So when I speak about the great replacement,

1568
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 11: I speak about legal immigration programs that for far too

1569
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:31,600
Speaker 11: long have been overlooked. A legal immigration has been a

1570
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 11: primary concern for establishment Republicans, but each one of many

1571
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 11: legal immigration programs, by definition, takes spots and slots jobs

1572
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 11: away from American citizens. My campaign is the one that

1573
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 11: stands up and says America is for Americans, and so

1574
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:52,599
Speaker 11: we have to stop apologizing for that. Yeah, little slight

1575
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:56,879
Speaker 11: move there with the Americas for Americans. Yeah, in reference

1576
01:21:56,920 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 11: to German Germany for Germany for the I'm sure he

1577
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 11: knows exactly what he's doing, Oh, most certainly. Yeah, Like

1578
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:09,720
Speaker 11: this is the obvious next place. They have made so

1579
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 11: much political headway with racism, and like the obvious direction

1580
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 11: to keep going there for is to be the one

1581
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 11: who's willing to lean a little bit further into racism, Right,

1582
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 11: See if that can get you a little bit further,

1583
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 11: a little bit, a little bit more popular. Yeah, it

1584
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 11: makes sense in that. In that way, That's why I

1585
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 11: find his canaidacy really interesting. Regardless of how well he's

1586
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 11: gonna end up doing in the primary, he is trying

1587
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 11: to trojan horse something into not even trojan horse in

1588
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 11: a way, he's kind of openly trying to pull something

1589
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 11: into Republican politics and something that's been like festering in

1590
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 11: the sidelines for a while. You know, start that Nick's

1591
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,719
Speaker 11: been advocating for a while. There was that fight around

1592
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,640
Speaker 11: H one B visas about a year ago. Yeah, and

1593
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 11: he's he's really honing in on this as a potential

1594
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 11: future for the party. And what we're gonna We're gonna

1595
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 11: see how successful this is. Like in part right, there

1596
01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 11: could be other factors that make his campaign not do

1597
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 11: very well beyond these sorts of politics, but this is

1598
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 11: the first time you've really seen these deployed at this scale,

1599
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 11: I think. And he's counting on the Graper support and

1600
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 11: this is what Nick's been talking about for a while,

1601
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 11: trying to run candidates like this as much as possible.

1602
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:18,560
Speaker 11: In twenty twenty six, we'll talk more about Fishback's relationship

1603
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,759
Speaker 11: with Fuentes and the Grapers after this ad break.

1604
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 4: All right, we're back.

1605
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:37,639
Speaker 11: In my episode last year about the right wing fallout

1606
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:41,719
Speaker 11: of Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson's brief friendship, I discussed

1607
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 11: how Fuentes was making threats and promises to deploy his

1608
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 11: Graper fan base to influence elections, both in twenty twenty

1609
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 11: six and then in the Republican presidential primary in twenty

1610
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:57,680
Speaker 11: twenty eight, and after that new cycle had peaked, Fuentes

1611
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 11: continued to really hammered down his promise and threat to

1612
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 11: various candidates that if they do not adopt sufficient America

1613
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 11: first messaging, he will deploy his fan base across many

1614
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:15,600
Speaker 11: different primary states to influence the election through support and harassment.

1615
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 11: And I believe that Fishback is attempting to hold Nick

1616
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:23,679
Speaker 11: to this promise. On a podcast appearance last year, Fishback

1617
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 11: said that Nick fuent Has quote unquote broke the Internet

1618
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 11: by speaking truth to the deranged maniac Piers Morgan in

1619
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 11: an interview.

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01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 8: I do love how Peace Morgan is now like an

1621
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 8: avatar of woke for the Nick American Right.

1622
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 13: For the biggest interview of the year, Nick fuent Has

1623
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 13: and Piers Morgan were Nick made very very clear, we

1624
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 13: are done with the pearl clutching, We are done with

1625
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 13: the white guilt. We are done with this pseudo religion

1626
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:56,640
Speaker 13: that attacks us for just wanting to exist in our

1627
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 13: own country, to buy a home, to get a job,

1628
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 13: and to bet fit from all the things that we

1629
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:01,959
Speaker 13: were promised.

1630
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 11: There he is again talking about all the things that

1631
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 11: we were promised.

1632
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, and us right, like he's a thirty year old

1633
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:11,719
Speaker 8: hedge fund guy. Yeah, like he got all the things.

1634
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 11: No, he did get the dream that he is saying

1635
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 11: no longer exists, like that has been his life.

1636
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:20,600
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, and he's just trying to cash in on

1637
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 8: it now.

1638
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 4: No, but it's.

1639
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 11: Through this interview he just keeps talking about Fuentes and

1640
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 11: glowingly refers to the Groper fan base.

1641
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 15: I'll tell you the truth. I found the audience of

1642
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 15: young men who follow and watch Nick Fuentes to be

1643
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 15: actually incredibly informed and insimple and very patriotic young man.

1644
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 15: I'm gonna be completely honest. I probably shouldn't say this,

1645
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 15: but I think Nick's following is actually really impressive. There's

1646
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:45,640
Speaker 15: a lot of young men who are patriotic, who are

1647
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 15: well informed, who know our history, which is why they

1648
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 15: are so frightened by the current path that we are on.

1649
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 11: Having a candidate talk openly about the gropers in this

1650
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 11: way I think is super interesting. This is the one

1651
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 11: of the first cases, and I don't think it'll be

1652
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 11: the last where nicks fans and Nick himself are like

1653
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 11: openly referred to in a race like this.

1654
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's interesting again, Like super duper surprising to

1655
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:15,600
Speaker 8: me how easily the Overton window is moved to the

1656
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 8: right right now. And there's a whole network of these

1657
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 8: like short form and long form video places to do

1658
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 8: that right that are kind of set up to incentivize that.

1659
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 8: Almost he doesn't have any particular genius that allows him

1660
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 8: to do it right, Like, there is a system in

1661
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 8: place both with like Fointe is kind of outside of

1662
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:41,759
Speaker 8: the electoral politics Overton window. And then all these places

1663
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 8: that straddle the line right like Tucker Carlson, et cetera,

1664
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 8: et cetera, where, yeah, that exist to bring these further

1665
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 8: right discourses into the admissible discourse of electoral politics in

1666
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 8: this country.

1667
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 11: Yeah, and a fishback, as a largely unremarkable candidate is

1668
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 11: counting on a group of probably hundreds to thousands of

1669
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 11: young men to do free campaign work for him by

1670
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 11: telling them that they're good, smart little boys, by complimenting them.

1671
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 11: He is counting on his success being contingent on this

1672
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 11: graper army of gen z Internet users. To him, these

1673
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 11: are like a valuable political block and like that that's

1674
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 11: the thing that I find interesting about this, as you

1675
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,639
Speaker 11: they used to be like pure poison, right, yeah, yeah,

1676
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 11: Now now they're seen.

1677
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 4: As like a as like a possible asset.

1678
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 11: Yep, And Fishback knows that there could be some drawbacks

1679
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 11: by going this extreme. A few days ago, Fishback walked

1680
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 11: through Miami's nightlife on stream with Menosphere influencer sneako who

1681
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:46,799
Speaker 11: asked Nick foyant as if you would endorse Fishback as governor?

1682
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 8: What you say already said?

1683
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:49,719
Speaker 4: Yes?

1684
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:53,719
Speaker 16: Nick Foyn says has endorsed James Fishback for governor Florida.

1685
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 2: That'll really help go Wait, you want to voting for

1686
01:27:58,400 --> 01:27:58,720
Speaker 2: five one?

1687
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 8: Nick ones, He's voting for Byron Donald's.

1688
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 7: But that's a bad name, myrown Donald's.

1689
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:07,719
Speaker 10: Does that even sound like it could be a governor?

1690
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 11: So there you can see that he knows that it

1691
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:13,759
Speaker 11: could have some possible negative effects, but he's he's willing

1692
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 11: to play in this like irony irony zone while still

1693
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 11: very clearly embracing Fuentes and and the gropers.

1694
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like this stream with Sneakos is like indicative

1695
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 4: of a few things.

1696
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 11: After Fishback talked about goyslop at that school event, you know,

1697
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 11: he said afterwards that he wasn't aware of like the

1698
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:31,800
Speaker 11: offensive connotations.

1699
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 4: The fuck else is getting which is not true.

1700
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 11: Right, This has been like a four Chan term forever

1701
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:42,480
Speaker 11: to talk about how like the Jews are poisoning gentiles

1702
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 11: with food to make them like subservient. Right, that's what

1703
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:48,680
Speaker 11: the term means. He knows that, And he continued to

1704
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:53,440
Speaker 11: use the goyslop term on Sneako's stream, and after jaywalking

1705
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 11: on this stream, Fishback joked quote.

1706
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 4: The headline will.

1707
01:28:56,920 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 11: Read tomorrow, Florida govenatorial candidate breaks the law with Hitler sympathizer,

1708
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:06,679
Speaker 11: referring to sneak O great And based on the most

1709
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 11: recent polling we have on this race, Fishback's youth centric

1710
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 11: strategy does seem to be getting its intended results. In

1711
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 11: a University of North Florida Public Opinion Research Lab poll

1712
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:22,679
Speaker 11: from the middle of February, Byron Donalds is up thirty

1713
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 11: one percent to James Fishback at six percent, about a

1714
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 11: twenty five percent gap, which is kind of in between

1715
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 11: the more Fishback friendly Patriot polling numbers and Byron Donald's

1716
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 11: own internal polling. A sizable gap, to be sure, but

1717
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 11: not one that is insurmountable. What's really interesting about this pole, though,

1718
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 11: is the youth numbers for ages eighteen to thirty four.

1719
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 11: James Fishback is at thirty two percent, whereas Byron Donald's

1720
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 11: is at eight percent. He's massively ahead among youth. Meanwhile,

1721
01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:01,560
Speaker 11: Byron Donald's tactics to address Fishback's connection to the Gropers

1722
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:05,639
Speaker 11: has been a little odd. I'm gonna read a statement

1723
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:10,640
Speaker 11: from last week. Quote, Dear James Fishback, I heard you

1724
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 11: crashed out when I told the truth about your stupid

1725
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 11: anti Semitic BDS plan that you stole from Kamala Harris,

1726
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 11: just like you stole your whole gimmick from Nick Fuentes

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Speaker 11: and Zoron. Mam Donnie, You're no racist, your no groper,

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01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 11: You're no anti Semite. You're what people hate about politics.

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01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 11: Performative slop unquote. So Byron Donald's approach to addressing Fishbeck's

1730
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:41,720
Speaker 11: ties to the Gropers are not to actually attack him

1731
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:45,759
Speaker 11: for these ties, but to say that he's a fake groper,

1732
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,799
Speaker 11: that he's not actually one of them, that he's stealing

1733
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:52,599
Speaker 11: his policy ideas from Kamala Harris and stealing his gimmick

1734
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:56,519
Speaker 11: from Fuentes and Zoron, Mom Donni quote unquote, your no

1735
01:30:56,680 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 11: anti Semite, your no racist. So basically attacking Fishback for

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01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:05,600
Speaker 11: not being a real enough racist, and Donald isn't the

1737
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 11: only one linking Fishback to Zoron Mamdani. The conservative magazine

1738
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 11: The Spectator released a positive profile on Fishback last week

1739
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 11: with the headline is James Fishback the rights answer to

1740
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 11: Zoron Mamdani, The similarities seemingly being that he's behind in

1741
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 11: the polls in a race that could be very influential

1742
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 11: for the future of the Republican Party, while gaining a

1743
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:34,559
Speaker 11: lot of traction among youth and having a savvy online

1744
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:38,720
Speaker 11: element of the campaign, and so Byron Donald's response to

1745
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 11: Fishback's popularity online a popularity among young voters is to

1746
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 11: compare him to Kamala Harris and Zoron Mamdani and claim

1747
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,280
Speaker 11: that he's not actually a real racist, that he's not

1748
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:53,680
Speaker 11: actually a real groyper. I do not believe this is

1749
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 11: going to be an effective line of attack or damage

1750
01:31:56,640 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 11: his numbers among the young, especially male supporters that he has,

1751
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 11: because Fishback already knows that he has the groper base

1752
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 11: in his pocket, and that's why he's able to make

1753
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:12,160
Speaker 11: jokes with Sneako about how no, no, no, Nick Fuentes

1754
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 11: is actually supporting the other guy. He is secure enough

1755
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 11: in his Groper support to jokingly distance himself from Fuentes

1756
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 11: as a strategic move, because he knows the Grapers are

1757
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 11: already going to be doing free labor for him to

1758
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:30,799
Speaker 11: boost his chance of winning. He already has them cool.

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01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense, Like he's relying on social

1760
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 8: media exposure from them, and then he can even say

1761
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:39,639
Speaker 8: other stuff to conventional media and it probably won't matter

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01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 8: that much.

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01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:40,799
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 11: And I mean he's still getting profiled by major outlets

1766
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 11: like every every week, and it's it's it's it's gonna

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01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:49,840
Speaker 11: be a long race. He wants to eventually debate Donald's,

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01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:53,520
Speaker 11: like in a televised debate. Unclear thataught's going to happen. Yeah,

1769
01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:55,680
Speaker 11: but as of now that that's that's kind of the

1770
01:32:55,680 --> 01:33:00,040
Speaker 11: current state of his candidacy, his strategy to overcome the

1771
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,599
Speaker 11: gap and polls. And I will be keeping an eye

1772
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 11: on this race specifically because it does relate to what

1773
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 11: I was talking about last year in terms of this

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Speaker 11: like wave of Groper friendly candidates expected to try to

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Speaker 11: get into the Republican Party in the next two to

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Speaker 11: four years.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's The election is November of this year.

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01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:20,639
Speaker 4: November is the general August is the primary.

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01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:24,799
Speaker 8: Okay, yeah, so I guess the kind of Republican primary

1780
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 8: in Georgia is the big deal. I mean in Florida. Sorry, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 11: The primary race in Florida is going to be the

1782
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Speaker 11: one that I'm keeping the most track of.

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01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:35,560
Speaker 11: Yeah, and you know, don't be surprised if if you

1785
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:37,720
Speaker 11: start seeing fishback pop up and more stuff in the

1786
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:41,600
Speaker 11: next few weeks. Yeah, great, Well that does it for

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01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:45,320
Speaker 11: us today at it could happen here. Yeah, now it's

1788
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:48,520
Speaker 11: time to end the podcast, to lower the collective Cortisol.

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Speaker 17: Welcome to it could happen here. I just want you

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01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:07,960
Speaker 17: to know our nation is back. It is the Golden

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Speaker 17: Age of America. And we're going to talk about the

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Speaker 17: sears say the Union by President Donald Dage Trump.

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Speaker 2: And I've been saying our nation's back since way before

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01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 2: it left, honestly, so I'm glad to see that we've

1795
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:21,639
Speaker 2: caught up.

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Speaker 4: But back to.

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Speaker 17: When, sir, you know, it's a transformation like no one

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Speaker 17: has ever seen before. Turnaround for the ages.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna We're gonna do it better and better.

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Speaker 17: Better and bigger and brighter and whatever B word he

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Speaker 17: can decide to include.

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Speaker 4: We just keep winning.

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01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:42,880
Speaker 2: So you're getting some idea from this about the tenor

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01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 2: of the President's State of the Union speech.

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Speaker 4: That we all just listen to. Yeah, it is.

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01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:50,200
Speaker 2: Like eight thirty pm at the end of a long

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01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 2: work day that was already long before we listened to the.

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Speaker 17: President eleven thirty pm for Gear.

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01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, eleven thirty pm for Gear. But I don't actually

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01:34:58,080 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 2: believe in time zones. I think that's a gon spere,

1811
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:03,720
Speaker 2: but we'll talk about that later. So, in terms of

1812
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:06,160
Speaker 2: like first responses to the State of the Union, I

1813
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:10,320
Speaker 2: think mine was Trump spent a lot more time focusing

1814
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:13,519
Speaker 2: on the achievements of other people, like literally handing out

1815
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 2: a bunch of awards, and less time, as a percentage

1816
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 2: of the speech actually trumpeting things that he did and

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01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,719
Speaker 2: his own successes in a way that I found kind

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01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:25,160
Speaker 2: of telling. And I think this merges with the fact

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01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:28,360
Speaker 2: that he did not mention Ice by name during the speech,

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01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:32,559
Speaker 2: So I kind of saw this as a recognition by

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01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:34,840
Speaker 2: him and his people that like, there's some face that

1822
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 2: needs to be saved, and we've got to try in

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01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:42,040
Speaker 2: this speech to kind of minimize our least attractive attributes

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01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:44,120
Speaker 2: and maximize the positive you know.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, My take was that he was trying to simulate

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01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:50,920
Speaker 17: empathy and try to keep hold of that Republican crowd

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01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:54,639
Speaker 17: and try to endear himself to them as much as

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01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:56,880
Speaker 17: he could despite the state of things.

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01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:01,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, and trying to associate himself with a lot

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01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 8: of acts of heroism or military valor or you know,

1831
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:09,640
Speaker 8: which is classic strong man's stuff, right, like the you know,

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01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 8: we're achieving a time of national great notes. Here some

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01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:16,600
Speaker 8: examples of masculine virtue. Blah blah blah. We saw the

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01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:18,479
Speaker 8: US men's ice hockey team.

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Speaker 11: I really hated that twelve minutes in. Yeah, came in

1836
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:26,200
Speaker 11: because we just keep winning. Our country is winning too much.

1837
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:29,800
Speaker 11: We're winning so much that we don't know what to do. Yeah,

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01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 11: And here are a bunch of a bunch of those winners.

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Speaker 2: And I did find that kind of surprising too, like

1840
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:38,920
Speaker 2: how quickly they got brought in and how much of

1841
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,360
Speaker 2: a like a lot of the length of this was

1842
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 2: just him announcing people who had won something or were

1843
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 2: about to win something, and everybody clapping.

1844
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:50,200
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's the most medals that we've seen in a

1845
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:51,599
Speaker 11: State of the Union address.

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Speaker 2: And I wonder, because I know one way in which

1847
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:56,639
Speaker 2: these get quote unquote rated by news agencies, like how

1848
01:36:56,720 --> 01:36:59,800
Speaker 2: much percentage of the time was its standing ovations? How

1849
01:36:59,880 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 2: much percentage of the time manytimes they have to stop

1850
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:06,800
Speaker 2: for applause. Maybe he's just trying to game that system. Amazing,

1851
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 2: that's pretty funny.

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01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:10,519
Speaker 11: It was really easy to take notes because of how

1853
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 11: much applause there was in single lines he sat.

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01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, and not just applause, right, there were there were

1855
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:19,440
Speaker 8: large periods of time when people were chanting USA, USA,

1856
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:21,639
Speaker 8: or Charlie Kirk's first name.

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01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 5: Weird.

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01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:26,320
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it started off with some

1859
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 11: some more like statistics of dubious origin, but the economy

1860
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:34,800
Speaker 11: and various other things. He claimed that fentanyl was down

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01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 11: fifty six percent. That yeah, the strongestport of security ever.

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Speaker 11: There's been no illegal aliens admitted to the United States

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01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:42,519
Speaker 11: in the past nine months.

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Speaker 4: Zero.

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01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 8: Well, that's a tortology, right, Like when you were admitted,

1866
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,200
Speaker 8: that means you have been processed to release into the

1867
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:50,759
Speaker 8: United States. So by definition, yes.

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01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:53,880
Speaker 4: Have there ever been illegal aliens admitted to the United States?

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01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:57,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's not what admission is, right, It's like saying

1870
01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:57,840
Speaker 8: there were.

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01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:00,719
Speaker 2: It's like being like, no bank robbers have eagerly robbed

1872
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:03,840
Speaker 2: a bank. Yes, it's well, no, I guess you're right.

1873
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:06,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, fish have walked under my orders.

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Speaker 17: And Robert, you mentioned you wanted to say something a

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01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 17: little bit about the fentanyl thing. He brought up.

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01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I love fentanyl, obviously, big fan of

1877
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 2: the stuff. You know, I don't like to use it,

1878
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:20,639
Speaker 2: just like to read about it, study it uses.

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Speaker 4: No, that's a joke. It's a bit.

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Speaker 2: Don't do fentanyl, folks, please, And actually people aren't doing

1881
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 2: as much fentanyl, which has nothing to do with the

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01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:30,000
Speaker 2: Trump administration. So when he was like, there's fifty six

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01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:33,439
Speaker 2: percent less fentanyl getting into the country, I just I

1884
01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:35,719
Speaker 2: knew that was wrong, because, first off, I remembered reading

1885
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,640
Speaker 2: that during the Biden administration there had started to be

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Speaker 2: like a significant constriction of the international finnyl supply market.

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Speaker 4: So I looked it up and I was in fact accurate.

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01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:48,679
Speaker 2: In my recollection, I found a pretty good article hosted

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01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:52,559
Speaker 2: by the University of Maryland's Medical School by Carl Hill,

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01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 2: which notes that in twenty twenty three, the journal Science

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01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:59,600
Speaker 2: published an article by a Maryland criminologist that argued that

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Speaker 2: the overdose deaths that had started to be noticed in

1893
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three was driven by a collapse of the

1894
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:08,840
Speaker 2: international fentanyl market supply chain. And you may note twenty

1895
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:11,320
Speaker 2: twenty three is when Donald Trump was not the president.

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01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:13,759
Speaker 2: For this article, we were trying to understand why Finnel

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01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 2: overdose deaths, after rising rapidly for a decade in mid

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01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:19,600
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, suddenly turned downward. Peter Reuter, professor of

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01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:22,040
Speaker 2: public policy and criminology from the University of Maryland, told

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01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 2: The Baltimore Sun, where you're reasonably sure that something has

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01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:27,960
Speaker 2: happened to the precursor chemical supply from China, there was

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01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:31,599
Speaker 2: a significant cause of the downturn in fentanyl. So again,

1903
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 2: what he's saying is the supply constriction happened in twenty

1904
01:39:34,280 --> 01:39:36,639
Speaker 2: twenty three, and it doesn't seem to have happened because

1905
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:39,880
Speaker 2: of stateside US policy. In other words, the contraction of

1906
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:42,599
Speaker 2: the supply had nothing to do with US stopping fentanyl

1907
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:44,679
Speaker 2: at the border and everything to do with an issue

1908
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 2: somewhere in China. Now, there's been a couple of theories

1909
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 2: as to this, including some international laws that have altered,

1910
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:53,240
Speaker 2: like the way these kind some of the chemical companies

1911
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:55,880
Speaker 2: in China have to work but the gist of it

1912
01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:58,639
Speaker 2: is that this started in the Biden administration and has

1913
01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:00,960
Speaker 2: nothing to do with border policy. It's purely result of

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Speaker 2: the actual physical supply of fentanyl, and that constriction began

1915
01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 2: in China. Anyway, That's what I had to say.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's worth noting. I'm not quite sure

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01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:11,800
Speaker 8: where that fifty six no idea. It could be sieges

1918
01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:15,559
Speaker 8: that they maybe seized a lot of fentanyl. Like, I'm

1919
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:18,320
Speaker 8: not quite sure where that came from. Like, there were

1920
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 8: a number of statistics which I couldn't track down, right,

1921
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:26,639
Speaker 8: the nineteen billion of fraud in Minnesota by Somali people.

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01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:29,280
Speaker 2: There was one I loved. He made a note that

1923
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:32,840
Speaker 2: two point four million Americans have now sentded wasn't the

1924
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:33,680
Speaker 2: word he used, but got.

1925
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 4: Been lifted off of food stamps. Lifted off of food stamps.

1926
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:40,759
Speaker 17: Two point four million Americans are off of food stamps.

1927
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's specifically lifted off, as Garret noted, which

1928
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:47,080
Speaker 2: would insinuate that, like their circumstances improved and they no

1929
01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:50,759
Speaker 2: longer needed food stamps. That's not true. Yes, we simply

1930
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:53,599
Speaker 2: introduced like work requirements and other restrictions that kicked two

1931
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Speaker 2: point four million Americans off.

1932
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Speaker 4: Of kicked people off of the food Style program.

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01:40:58,320 --> 01:41:02,439
Speaker 11: Yeah, we've pushed people in into starvation because we.

1934
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:06,200
Speaker 2: We lifted them into starvation. Garrison, we lifted them there you.

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Speaker 11: Govation and this was this was his line right before

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Speaker 11: he started talking about how we're winning so much and

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01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:16,960
Speaker 11: broad the hockey team that was the segue was talking

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01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:19,680
Speaker 11: was talking about how there's millions of people who now

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Speaker 11: can't get food stamps and look, look how much we're winning.

1940
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Speaker 4: Quote, we're winning so much. We don't know what to do. Yeah,

1941
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Speaker 4: that's my big problem.

1942
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Speaker 8: I Folt so encountered that what to do with all

1943
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Speaker 8: the victories.

1944
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Speaker 4: But no, there's there's a few other stuff.

1945
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Speaker 11: I mean, he's talked about like, you know, the lowest

1946
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Speaker 11: inflation in five years, which is continuing, you know, continuing

1947
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Speaker 11: trends that have been going on for the past like

1948
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Speaker 11: three years, right in inflation, gas prices, mortgage rates. Did

1949
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:47,720
Speaker 11: this interesting line. A short time ago, we were a

1950
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:48,559
Speaker 11: dead country.

1951
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Speaker 4: Now we are the hottest, hottest, the hottest.

1952
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Speaker 11: And then he said hottest again, and then he had

1953
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Speaker 11: a really a really beautiful line of pros our new

1954
01:41:57,200 --> 01:42:02,559
Speaker 11: friend and partner, Venezuela and us barrels of oil, our

1955
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:03,639
Speaker 11: new friend and partner.

1956
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Speaker 8: He called out Delsey by name and was like, she's

1957
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:09,120
Speaker 8: doing great things for Venezuela. We're going to do great

1958
01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:13,840
Speaker 8: things together. Like a bizarre, really occurrence. Like then, I

1959
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:16,599
Speaker 8: think that it goes to show how he understands foreign policy,

1960
01:42:16,640 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 8: which is in a very transactional way. It's not about

1961
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:22,840
Speaker 8: an ideological disagreement. This is about having someone who he

1962
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:26,840
Speaker 8: feels is personally loyal to him and owes him the

1963
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:30,120
Speaker 8: position that they have, and that's I think what he's

1964
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Speaker 8: going for in Venezuela. He didn't mention the amnesty, but

1965
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:37,360
Speaker 8: he at one point brought down a Venezuelan man whose

1966
01:42:37,479 --> 01:42:41,360
Speaker 8: niece was in the audience to reveal that her uncle

1967
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:44,759
Speaker 8: had been released from prison. I will be eagerly awaiting

1968
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Speaker 8: news on that man's ongoing immigration status.

1969
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Speaker 17: So bizarre.

1970
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Speaker 8: Yeah, there was a lot of this, like really weird

1971
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:55,200
Speaker 8: political theater.

1972
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Speaker 17: And so much of it that just was in seats

1973
01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:01,040
Speaker 17: for all them and they were really like awkward open

1974
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:07,120
Speaker 17: door moments that were just just unnecessary. But that that's

1975
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:10,040
Speaker 17: what he was going for tonight in Metal Metal medal, A.

1976
01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:12,439
Speaker 8: Lot of medals, a lot of medals, a lot of awards.

1977
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:14,720
Speaker 8: We got the list, right, the whole, the trifecto. We

1978
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:18,040
Speaker 8: got the Congressional Medal of Freedom, the Medal of.

1979
01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 4: Honor, Presidential Medal of Freedom.

1980
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Speaker 8: Pident sorry, Presidential Medal of Feeding, Purple Heart at Purple Heart.

1981
01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:26,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we gave out of purple Heart and Olympic Gold.

1982
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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, many of those.

1983
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Speaker 17: He like had this ex strange moment where he's like,

1984
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Speaker 17: I would like one of those, but apparently like.

1985
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Speaker 2: It's not for the Medal of Honors. You can only

1986
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:39,360
Speaker 2: get him in the army. Maybe they'll open it up.

1987
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:41,840
Speaker 2: Maybe they'll open it up, and if they do, I'll

1988
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Speaker 2: be the first one in line, sir.

1989
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Speaker 17: Yeah, he did teut that we ended d I in America,

1990
01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:56,960
Speaker 17: just like one of the annoying talking points that means nothing.

1991
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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, so I were not mentioned by name. There

1992
01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:02,759
Speaker 8: was a lot of border chat.

1993
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Speaker 11: Right, Yeah, especially at the at the Star and then

1994
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 11: a few times towards like the middle end.

1995
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Speaker 8: Yeah. And one of the things he did pretty consistently

1996
01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 8: was was talk about horrific incidents, often involving the death

1997
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Speaker 8: of children, sometimes in front of their parents. Yeah. I

1998
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:21,360
Speaker 8: just want to highlight a couple of those the first one.

1999
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:25,600
Speaker 8: He talked about Delilah Coldman, right, who was injured in

2000
01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:29,560
Speaker 8: a crash with Big Grig, the drivers, which was not

2001
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:31,760
Speaker 8: a US citizen, but did have a work permit, a

2002
01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:36,080
Speaker 8: work permit issued by the federal government under Donald Trump.

2003
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:38,080
Speaker 8: And this has been a claim on the right. This

2004
01:44:38,160 --> 01:44:40,760
Speaker 8: guy was undocumented for some time, right in that California

2005
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:44,800
Speaker 8: has been giving CDLs two undocumented people in this case

2006
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:47,840
Speaker 8: said that is not the case. I'm interested in what

2007
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:51,479
Speaker 8: happened to the Coldman family. I understand they've been through

2008
01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:53,559
Speaker 8: like a horrific thing. Right, their daughter, it looked like

2009
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:56,040
Speaker 8: she was going to use the use of her legs.

2010
01:44:56,040 --> 01:44:59,720
Speaker 8: She's now relearning to use her legs and to walk,

2011
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:02,720
Speaker 8: which it's great. But previously they had met with the

2012
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:05,880
Speaker 8: person who was driving the vehicle that caused their daughter

2013
01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:10,000
Speaker 8: this horrific injury, and they had explicitly declined to politicize it,

2014
01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:13,040
Speaker 8: say that they weren't interested in doing that. So I

2015
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:17,920
Speaker 8: don't know what happened here to now Trump proposing a law,

2016
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:21,680
Speaker 8: which Delilah's law, he's calling it, right, which would I'm

2017
01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:23,960
Speaker 8: trying to remember if he said stop non citizens or

2018
01:45:24,040 --> 01:45:27,000
Speaker 8: undocumented people or illegal aliens to use his parlents from

2019
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:28,600
Speaker 8: getting CDLs, obviously.

2020
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:29,680
Speaker 4: I think are legal aliens.

2021
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:32,840
Speaker 8: There are states which will give you driver's license without

2022
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:36,040
Speaker 8: asking for documentation for the very obvious reason that people

2023
01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:38,120
Speaker 8: in this country have to drive. Large parts of this

2024
01:45:38,160 --> 01:45:41,240
Speaker 8: country are set up around driving. You cannot exist in

2025
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:43,600
Speaker 8: some parts of America without a motor car, and it

2026
01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:46,840
Speaker 8: is better that people get a license and insurance than

2027
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:48,000
Speaker 8: that they don't do that.

2028
01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:51,599
Speaker 11: He said, Barring any state from granting commercial driver's license

2029
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:54,840
Speaker 11: to illegal aliens was his frame Okay, yeah, that's.

2030
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Speaker 8: His normal framing rate. I have never had a CDL

2031
01:45:58,160 --> 01:46:01,000
Speaker 8: in this country, and I've never gone through the application process.

2032
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:04,479
Speaker 8: But I assume one would first need a federal work permit,

2033
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Speaker 8: right as one would for any employment.

2034
01:46:08,240 --> 01:46:10,400
Speaker 4: Well, you need a driver's license, pud also need to

2035
01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:11,320
Speaker 4: drive there.

2036
01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:14,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta have a driver's license to get a CDL.

2037
01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:18,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, there's a background check component, it looks like

2038
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:18,679
Speaker 8: to the CDO.

2039
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:21,599
Speaker 11: One of the lines that he used right before this

2040
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:26,560
Speaker 11: call to action was that illegal aliens cannot read road signs.

2041
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:27,200
Speaker 7: Yes.

2042
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:30,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how we introduced the section of like, yeah,

2043
01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:32,360
Speaker 2: they're all through this country driving around they don't know

2044
01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:34,559
Speaker 2: what like a warning sign is or a stop sign.

2045
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:36,800
Speaker 8: Obviously, lots of people come to this country in a

2046
01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:39,160
Speaker 8: perfectly capable of speaking English, sir. Also people who are

2047
01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:40,879
Speaker 8: born in this country you don't speak English.

2048
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 4: Well, we just we don't have an official language.

2049
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Speaker 17: Just to say, a lot of people can't drive very

2050
01:46:46,360 --> 01:46:50,000
Speaker 17: well in this country. Yeah, as an as an LA driver,

2051
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:54,400
Speaker 17: A lot of your people don't know how to merge.

2052
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:57,719
Speaker 17: And it has nothing to do with your what language

2053
01:46:57,720 --> 01:47:02,160
Speaker 17: you speak or your citizens state. Okay, like this is

2054
01:47:02,320 --> 01:47:04,240
Speaker 17: a pointless remark to me.

2055
01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:09,360
Speaker 2: It's just it's a policy that they can make, right.

2056
01:47:09,479 --> 01:47:09,679
Speaker 14: Yeah.

2057
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:13,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, didn't he sign an executive order officially making English

2058
01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:16,120
Speaker 8: the official language. It's at some point early on. Yes, No,

2059
01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:18,960
Speaker 8: I'm just I'm trying to remember if that's the case

2060
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:23,000
Speaker 8: or not. Yes, yes, okay. The other claim that I

2061
01:47:23,000 --> 01:47:28,000
Speaker 8: thought was interesting was the killer of this young woman

2062
01:47:28,280 --> 01:47:31,400
Speaker 8: in Charlotte, right, who has killed.

2063
01:47:31,320 --> 01:47:33,840
Speaker 4: The trains stabbing incident from last year.

2064
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:39,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, Arena's a Rutska, and Trump claimed that the man

2065
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:42,360
Speaker 8: who killed her had come in through an open border.

2066
01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:46,240
Speaker 8: I am not able to find any evidence that this

2067
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:49,080
Speaker 8: person is an immigrant to the United States, and I

2068
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:53,000
Speaker 8: have not found that reported anywhere. His father appears to

2069
01:47:53,080 --> 01:47:55,640
Speaker 8: have at least resided, if not been born, in the

2070
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:58,639
Speaker 8: United States. So his name is to Carlos Brown Junior.

2071
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:01,320
Speaker 8: And so assuming that the cartis Brown, who is resident

2072
01:48:01,400 --> 01:48:04,800
Speaker 8: in the same place is his father. Therefore, I would

2073
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:06,479
Speaker 8: assume that he was born in the United States and

2074
01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:08,840
Speaker 8: had citizenship through Bethey citizenship. I have no idea about

2075
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 8: his father. Could well be a citizen two. I'm just

2076
01:48:11,720 --> 01:48:13,880
Speaker 8: trying to research things in a hurry. I have not

2077
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:15,840
Speaker 8: seen it reported anyway.

2078
01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:20,519
Speaker 11: Zero reporting about this man being an immigrant, including from

2079
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:23,240
Speaker 11: right wing out let's who use this horrific incident to

2080
01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:27,080
Speaker 11: stoke like racist crime panic narratives last year.

2081
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that may not have been the goal. It

2082
01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:31,759
Speaker 2: may have just been more traditional like race panic.

2083
01:48:32,479 --> 01:48:34,400
Speaker 11: Yeah, that was what it was. They used it for

2084
01:48:34,640 --> 01:48:39,120
Speaker 11: racialized crime panic. This comment by Trump inferring that he

2085
01:48:39,240 --> 01:48:41,960
Speaker 11: is an immigrant may have been an unscripted ad lib

2086
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:42,639
Speaker 11: that he just did.

2087
01:48:43,720 --> 01:48:47,000
Speaker 4: But from what we could tell, this man was not

2088
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:47,679
Speaker 4: an immigrant.

2089
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:48,800
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2090
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:51,200
Speaker 4: Now, it's just like a guy did a bad thing.

2091
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:54,240
Speaker 11: Nor was he released early from custody, by the way,

2092
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:56,120
Speaker 11: which is part of the narrative that the right was

2093
01:48:56,200 --> 01:48:58,280
Speaker 11: using in the reporting around this was that this guy

2094
01:48:58,360 --> 01:49:00,800
Speaker 11: was like released early from prison, and he did serve

2095
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:02,599
Speaker 11: the entirety of his sentence.

2096
01:49:02,760 --> 01:49:05,160
Speaker 2: He may not have been released early from his sins,

2097
01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:08,240
Speaker 2: but you're released early from your sentence of not listening

2098
01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:08,639
Speaker 2: to us.

2099
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:13,559
Speaker 4: Here's some ads. That's one of the worst ones. Yeah, well,

2100
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:27,799
Speaker 4: too bad, and we're.

2101
01:49:27,560 --> 01:49:28,839
Speaker 8: Back, hooray.

2102
01:49:30,280 --> 01:49:34,960
Speaker 11: So in the start to middle section where he was

2103
01:49:34,840 --> 01:49:37,120
Speaker 11: he was still kind of talking about the economy before

2104
01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:42,519
Speaker 11: the entire pageantry performance took over. He started talking about

2105
01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:46,040
Speaker 11: the tax cuts and the one big beautiful bill, and

2106
01:49:46,200 --> 01:49:49,440
Speaker 11: he had this fun line about how all the Democrats

2107
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:52,120
Speaker 11: voted against these tax cuts, and this made all the

2108
01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:53,120
Speaker 11: Democrats stand up in.

2109
01:49:53,120 --> 01:49:55,360
Speaker 8: Applaud that funny.

2110
01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:58,080
Speaker 11: But then he talked about this mom who was homeschooling

2111
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:02,000
Speaker 11: two kids, who also worked as a waitress during the

2112
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:05,280
Speaker 11: night shift on top of her husband, who also, you know,

2113
01:50:05,320 --> 01:50:08,760
Speaker 11: works full time, and how these these tax cuts have

2114
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:11,799
Speaker 11: have gotten them to take an extra five thousand dollars

2115
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:14,479
Speaker 11: home each year. Right, this is the no tax on

2116
01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:17,639
Speaker 11: tips thing. And this story of this of this mom

2117
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:19,880
Speaker 11: who's homeschooling kids and working a night and a full

2118
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:22,000
Speaker 11: time husband was was like framed like as this like

2119
01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:26,280
Speaker 11: triumph of the American economy. It was hard to interpret

2120
01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:29,200
Speaker 11: this as like a massive economic triumph when you were

2121
01:50:29,240 --> 01:50:32,320
Speaker 11: talking about a mother who's not only doing labor at

2122
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:36,639
Speaker 11: home by schooling her children and then also working nights,

2123
01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:40,120
Speaker 11: and a husband who's also working full time like that,

2124
01:50:40,120 --> 01:50:44,719
Speaker 11: that that demonstrates how difficult it actually is to exist economically,

2125
01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:46,880
Speaker 11: especially if you have a family in the country right now.

2126
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:51,320
Speaker 11: And his his kind of twisting of this scenario to

2127
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:53,840
Speaker 11: to support his his his notion that he is he's

2128
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:56,200
Speaker 11: helping the American economy I found to be quite interesting,

2129
01:50:56,240 --> 01:50:59,760
Speaker 11: And that is that's mostly with the Democratic response. Like

2130
01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:03,519
Speaker 11: ri Spenberger was about, it's like how it's pretty clear

2131
01:51:04,439 --> 01:51:08,639
Speaker 11: to most Americans that it's actually been quite economically challenging

2132
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:13,439
Speaker 11: based on his wildly unstable trade agreements and tariffs which

2133
01:51:13,439 --> 01:51:16,280
Speaker 11: have caused a great deal of economic instability in this country.

2134
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:19,879
Speaker 8: Yeah, there was a feeling during the Biden administration, especially

2135
01:51:19,880 --> 01:51:22,599
Speaker 8: with like Pusaki, right, like the Biden administration was somewhat

2136
01:51:22,600 --> 01:51:26,800
Speaker 8: gaslighting people as they struggled economically. Sure, but Trump has

2137
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:30,080
Speaker 8: not not diverged from that policy. Right. No, And obviously

2138
01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:33,320
Speaker 8: now the dams are calling out talking of budget tree issues.

2139
01:51:33,400 --> 01:51:37,439
Speaker 8: Did anybody else catch that the Democrats have frozen funding

2140
01:51:37,439 --> 01:51:40,360
Speaker 8: to dhs who would like to be out there helping

2141
01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:42,200
Speaker 8: people shovel their snow.

2142
01:51:42,479 --> 01:51:45,200
Speaker 4: I missed this. I missed this shoveling snow line. Yeah,

2143
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:48,760
Speaker 4: I didn't catch that either. Really, I caught it.

2144
01:51:48,840 --> 01:51:52,320
Speaker 17: I caught it. Okay, I thought hallucinated.

2145
01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:55,919
Speaker 2: Maybe that flooded the banks of like guarantized nonsense filters

2146
01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:57,519
Speaker 2: and we just shut down for a second.

2147
01:51:58,400 --> 01:52:00,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, that one, Like I actually went back on the

2148
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:02,959
Speaker 8: live stream and that was one of the few moments

2149
01:52:03,439 --> 01:52:07,920
Speaker 8: where I, yeah, I wondered what heck he was talking about.

2150
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:10,280
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm sure he's going to be deploying FEMA FEMA,

2151
01:52:10,479 --> 01:52:12,920
Speaker 11: Yeah right, FEMA to New England to help to shovel

2152
01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:13,320
Speaker 11: the snow.

2153
01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:16,679
Speaker 8: Yeah, great, I'm sure that will be received. Well. Yeah,

2154
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:19,160
Speaker 8: that was one of the more insane ones that I

2155
01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:23,640
Speaker 8: that I just it really took me a second to

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Speaker 8: work out on earth was happening. But yeah, I believe

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Speaker 8: that that was maybe a FEMA reference.

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Speaker 11: No, I won't be happy until Homeland Security Investigation agents

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Speaker 11: are shoveling snow.

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Speaker 2: Honestly and make them do it. In every state, even

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Speaker 2: though ones without snow. Just get out there and pantomime

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Speaker 2: it with a shovel.

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Speaker 8: You know, we got sand in California. We'll find him

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01:52:43,160 --> 01:52:43,559
Speaker 8: some work.

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Speaker 4: Shovel some sand.

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Speaker 11: I think the most interesting portion of the State of

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Speaker 11: the Union address was when Trump talked about his tariffs,

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Speaker 11: specifically because just days ago Supreme Court struck down his

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Speaker 11: tariffs as not being legal. This will get discussed more

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Speaker 11: in Executive Disorder tomorrow, but I found this to be

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01:53:06,479 --> 01:53:10,439
Speaker 11: quite interesting because Trump acknowledged all of this and then

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01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:14,559
Speaker 11: discussed how he is going to keep doing the tariffs anyway,

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01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:18,880
Speaker 11: right in front of the justices, just just openly talking

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Speaker 11: about defying a Supreme Court order in front of them,

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Speaker 11: and the camera kept going back and forth between the

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Speaker 11: President and the justices as they just like sat there.

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Speaker 11: It's a completely blank face as he's talking about defying

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Speaker 11: their order. And this is like real, real peak constitutional

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Speaker 11: crisis stuff.

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Speaker 17: He kept saying, it's an unfortunate ruling by the Supreme

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01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:39,000
Speaker 17: corip Mind you, there was four of them there. They

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01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:42,200
Speaker 17: all stayed stoic, and some voted for him, some voted

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01:53:42,479 --> 01:53:45,080
Speaker 17: against him, so it was a mixed bag. But he

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01:53:45,720 --> 01:53:48,280
Speaker 17: was basically like it was like you know, when you

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01:53:48,320 --> 01:53:50,360
Speaker 17: do something wrong and the teacher lectures you in front

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01:53:50,360 --> 01:53:52,920
Speaker 17: of the class. It was very much that they didn't

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01:53:52,920 --> 01:53:55,240
Speaker 17: really give him much of reaction. He was talking about

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01:53:55,560 --> 01:53:58,719
Speaker 17: all countries and companies want to keep the deal, talking

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Speaker 17: about tariffs and it's safe our countries and this is

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01:54:01,320 --> 01:54:04,720
Speaker 17: such an unfortunate ruling by the Supreme Court, but that

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01:54:04,840 --> 01:54:07,439
Speaker 17: it doesn't matter because he's going to keep doing it.

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Speaker 4: We're still doing the tariffs. Yeah, we've talked a lot

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Speaker 4: about it.

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Speaker 11: You know, there's going to be a certain point in

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Speaker 11: this in this administration there where it's going to come

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01:54:14,280 --> 01:54:17,000
Speaker 11: down to a Supreme Court ruling saying that something he's

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01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:19,200
Speaker 11: doing is illegal and he's going to keep doing it anyway.

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Speaker 11: He's already flirted with this in the past year. There's

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Speaker 11: a few kind of more minor moments where, if not

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01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:27,720
Speaker 11: fully breaking a ruling, was bending it to a near buckle. Yeah,

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Speaker 11: but like this is I think this is the most

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01:54:29,560 --> 01:54:34,160
Speaker 11: blatant incident so far of the President just blatantly ignoring

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01:54:34,200 --> 01:54:37,320
Speaker 11: and then defying as Supreme Court ruling. And then he

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01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:39,320
Speaker 11: talked about how, you know, ideally tariffs will take the

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01:54:39,320 --> 01:54:42,560
Speaker 11: place of income tax, which sure man.

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Speaker 4: Good luck with that. Yeah. Cool.

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01:54:46,240 --> 01:54:47,720
Speaker 8: He had a bit where he was like, we've worked

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01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:49,920
Speaker 8: out a new and totally legal way to do it.

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Speaker 17: Is that when Nie mentioned that congressional action won't be

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01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:54,760
Speaker 17: necessary for the new tariffs.

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01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:57,480
Speaker 8: I think, yeah, there was some new and.

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Speaker 11: Established I mean, because that would be the legal way

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01:55:00,760 --> 01:55:03,240
Speaker 11: to do it. That is, that's the power that Congress has.

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01:55:03,320 --> 01:55:05,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, we have their need to work it out,

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01:55:05,320 --> 01:55:07,240
Speaker 8: like we've got that one COVID.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

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Speaker 11: Do you want to talk about the rate Player Protection Pledge? Yes, sure, yes,

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01:55:15,080 --> 01:55:18,360
Speaker 11: the idea that tech companies will have to provide their

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01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:22,160
Speaker 11: own power to the data centers popping up around the country,

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01:55:22,760 --> 01:55:27,200
Speaker 11: lowering energy costs for residents of these neighborhoods.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is relevant for a couple of reasons.

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01:55:31,120 --> 01:55:35,040
Speaker 2: He's talking about allowing Basically, the issue is that all

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01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:38,240
Speaker 2: of these data centers have increased electricity costs for a

2224
01:55:38,280 --> 01:55:40,440
Speaker 2: lot of Americans, and he's claiming we're going to put

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01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:44,520
Speaker 2: that on the tech companies by allowing them to make

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01:55:44,680 --> 01:55:49,320
Speaker 2: their own power plants. Like that's probably, he says, by

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01:55:49,360 --> 01:55:52,760
Speaker 2: making them responsible for funding the power that their data

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01:55:52,760 --> 01:55:55,200
Speaker 2: centers cost. But specifically, the way this is supposed to

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01:55:55,200 --> 01:55:57,520
Speaker 2: work is by letting them build power plants.

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Speaker 11: Is that explicitly laid out in this plan, because the

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01:56:00,680 --> 01:56:02,320
Speaker 11: way he said it certainly was unclear.

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01:56:03,040 --> 01:56:05,480
Speaker 2: I mean he said they're going to have power plants.

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01:56:05,880 --> 01:56:09,200
Speaker 2: The direct statement was like tech companies will be operating

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01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:12,400
Speaker 2: power plants that they're using to fuel these facilities. And

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01:56:12,440 --> 01:56:15,240
Speaker 2: that's like in line with lobbying Silicon Valley he's been

2236
01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:17,320
Speaker 2: doing for years to make it easier for them to

2237
01:56:17,320 --> 01:56:20,400
Speaker 2: create small nuclear reactors, like this has been for the

2238
01:56:20,480 --> 01:56:24,720
Speaker 2: last like several years. Silicon Valley interests, including like KRO's Power,

2239
01:56:25,200 --> 01:56:28,839
Speaker 2: have been pushing to make it a lot easier regulation

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Speaker 2: wise to operate small nuclear plants. Like that's definitely what

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Speaker 2: he was referring to.

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01:56:35,120 --> 01:56:37,000
Speaker 8: That's great. Feel good about that.

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01:56:37,520 --> 01:56:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a good BBC article on it

2244
01:56:40,120 --> 01:56:42,560
Speaker 2: from like twenty twenty five with the title why Big

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01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:45,160
Speaker 2: Tech's nuclear plans could blow up, But it features like

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01:56:45,200 --> 01:56:48,240
Speaker 2: a lot of quotes from guys at AI companies and

2247
01:56:48,320 --> 01:56:51,880
Speaker 2: at Google talking about like small nuclear reactors can provide

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01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:55,200
Speaker 2: twenty four to seven clean energy near data centers. According

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01:56:55,200 --> 01:56:57,960
Speaker 2: to Hyder Raza, an expert in AI and energy use

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01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:00,560
Speaker 2: at the University of Essex. There's a lot of these

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01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:02,800
Speaker 2: quotes that have been going around for years. So when

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01:57:02,840 --> 01:57:05,320
Speaker 2: I heard Trump say they'll have their own power plants,

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01:57:05,560 --> 01:57:07,520
Speaker 2: that's what I read it in the context of.

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01:57:08,160 --> 01:57:11,480
Speaker 17: Okay, and he just he says big tech companies. He

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Speaker 17: didn't list out like.

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Speaker 4: Who's Yeah, he doesn't who who that.

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01:57:14,200 --> 01:57:17,400
Speaker 17: Would be, because it's just like not a thought out plan.

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01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:19,680
Speaker 17: It's just something for a headline.

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01:57:19,880 --> 01:57:22,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like the kind of conclusion of years

2260
01:57:22,600 --> 01:57:25,520
Speaker 2: of lobbying for small nuclear plants on behalf of like

2261
01:57:25,560 --> 01:57:27,840
Speaker 2: big tech companies. And I'm not against the idea of

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01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:30,360
Speaker 2: more nuclear power. I am against the idea of letting

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01:57:30,440 --> 01:57:31,040
Speaker 2: open AI.

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01:57:31,440 --> 01:57:33,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, i'd be the ones who offer.

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01:57:33,680 --> 01:57:37,040
Speaker 4: A power plant of any kind. Yeah yeah, yeah.

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01:57:37,040 --> 01:57:38,440
Speaker 8: And having it in the State of the Union is

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01:57:38,480 --> 01:57:41,160
Speaker 8: something of a signal by him to them, right, like

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01:57:41,960 --> 01:57:44,040
Speaker 8: that they are like his constituency.

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01:57:44,360 --> 01:57:44,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:57:44,560 --> 01:57:46,640
Speaker 2: I think it's also, as gare noted, it's like a

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01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:49,800
Speaker 2: nod to the affordability thing, Like he's had to deal

2272
01:57:49,800 --> 01:57:51,800
Speaker 2: with that a lot because people can'tnot notice that things

2273
01:57:51,840 --> 01:57:54,160
Speaker 2: are getting more expensive. So he's promising your power bill

2274
01:57:54,240 --> 01:57:56,000
Speaker 2: will go down. Because I've done this thing.

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01:57:56,440 --> 01:57:59,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, talking of getting more expensive. He spent a while

2276
01:57:59,200 --> 01:58:03,120
Speaker 8: talking about prices, like how he'd gone around and he'd

2277
01:58:03,160 --> 01:58:06,720
Speaker 8: seen like one eighty five a gallon gas and blah

2278
01:58:06,760 --> 01:58:09,360
Speaker 8: blah blah. Like I thought it was interesting that clearly

2279
01:58:09,880 --> 01:58:13,000
Speaker 8: they understand right again, it shows that affordability is something

2280
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:15,920
Speaker 8: that they know they're week on and he's trying to

2281
01:58:16,280 --> 01:58:19,840
Speaker 8: trying to, I guess, reinforce the areas where he feels

2282
01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:22,720
Speaker 8: stronger within that and not talk about the ones he doesn't.

2283
01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:25,760
Speaker 8: He talked about home prices, talked a lot about his

2284
01:58:25,880 --> 01:58:27,360
Speaker 8: Trump savings accounts.

2285
01:58:27,800 --> 01:58:30,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Trump accounts for for kids.

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01:58:30,240 --> 01:58:33,320
Speaker 17: If there is an infomercial vibe this day, Yeah, he

2287
01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:34,360
Speaker 17: plugged a couple.

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01:58:34,200 --> 01:58:37,160
Speaker 4: Of different Trump r X and accounts.

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01:58:37,240 --> 01:58:40,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, And he talked a lot about like I think, Rob,

2290
01:58:40,560 --> 01:58:41,960
Speaker 8: youve got the transcripts in front of you, if I'm

2291
01:58:41,960 --> 01:58:44,360
Speaker 8: not mistaken. He said that with a small investment, they

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01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:48,120
Speaker 8: could be worth one thousand dollars, hundred thousand dollars, one

2293
01:58:48,200 --> 01:58:50,800
Speaker 8: hundred thousand dollars by the time the person is eighteen.

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01:58:51,080 --> 01:58:51,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:58:51,280 --> 01:58:53,280
Speaker 17: The website describes it as we're building a long term

2296
01:58:53,320 --> 01:58:56,280
Speaker 17: financial security for millions of children by creating tax advantage

2297
01:58:56,280 --> 01:58:59,000
Speaker 17: investment accounts for you as citizens under the age of eighteen.

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01:58:59,640 --> 01:59:03,160
Speaker 17: It asked you to thought a form and then it says,

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01:59:03,480 --> 01:59:06,760
Speaker 17: get one thousand dollars for every American child born between

2300
01:59:06,840 --> 01:59:10,040
Speaker 17: January first, twenty twenty five in December thirty first, twenty

2301
01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:12,600
Speaker 17: twenty eight. The account is fully in your child's name,

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01:59:12,600 --> 01:59:14,720
Speaker 17: and you are the soul custodian until they turn eighteen.

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01:59:14,920 --> 01:59:18,240
Speaker 17: No contributions necessary, but you can deposit up to five

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01:59:18,280 --> 01:59:22,680
Speaker 17: thousand per year for maximum growth. That's what the website says.

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01:59:22,920 --> 01:59:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like and like if this is I guess to

2306
01:59:25,200 --> 01:59:27,720
Speaker 2: start off, this was like real. If it was real,

2307
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:30,320
Speaker 2: then like I don't have a problem with the idea,

2308
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:34,160
Speaker 2: Like it's okay, share, but that's my immediate question, especially

2309
01:59:34,160 --> 01:59:38,160
Speaker 2: since it seems like the big thing that he was

2310
01:59:38,200 --> 01:59:40,480
Speaker 2: harping on is that like this was funded in large

2311
01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:43,040
Speaker 2: part by like a six something billion dollars nation by

2312
01:59:43,080 --> 01:59:43,720
Speaker 2: the by the.

2313
01:59:43,720 --> 01:59:45,440
Speaker 4: Dells, by like Michael dellahs.

2314
01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:48,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so first off, I've used Dell computers, so I.

2315
01:59:48,920 --> 01:59:51,720
Speaker 4: Was immediately like, oh, this doesn't seem like it could

2316
01:59:51,720 --> 01:59:52,160
Speaker 4: be good.

2317
01:59:53,600 --> 01:59:55,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't, like I don't know enough about

2318
01:59:55,920 --> 01:59:58,320
Speaker 2: this program to really know though, it's just like, my

2319
01:59:58,640 --> 02:00:01,880
Speaker 2: it's a Trump thing involving so I'm on edge. But

2320
02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:03,280
Speaker 2: what are we actually looking at here?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

2322
02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:06,640
Speaker 8: So I'm just going to work out the amount of

2323
02:00:06,720 --> 02:00:10,200
Speaker 8: interest it would take for that one thousand to turn

2324
02:00:10,240 --> 02:00:15,360
Speaker 8: into one hundred thousand in eighteen years if I just

2325
02:00:15,440 --> 02:00:20,880
Speaker 8: plug it into the inflation calculator. Yeah, even at sixteen percent,

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02:00:20,960 --> 02:00:21,800
Speaker 8: that's not doing it.

2327
02:00:21,960 --> 02:00:22,200
Speaker 4: Well.

2328
02:00:22,280 --> 02:00:25,800
Speaker 11: If they put that one thousand in Nividia stock five

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02:00:25,880 --> 02:00:27,680
Speaker 11: years ago, then it's certainly possible.

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02:00:28,960 --> 02:00:29,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, which I think.

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02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:32,200
Speaker 11: I think that's part of these accounts is that it's

2332
02:00:32,280 --> 02:00:36,320
Speaker 11: like it's tight end with stock investments. It seems it

2333
02:00:36,360 --> 02:00:38,960
Speaker 11: seems like it doesn't sound like it's just like a

2334
02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:44,400
Speaker 11: high yield savings account, right. The other Trump branded service

2335
02:00:44,760 --> 02:00:47,880
Speaker 11: that was advertised infomercial style during the State of the

2336
02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:52,040
Speaker 11: Union dress was Trump Rx, which is essentially Trump's version

2337
02:00:52,240 --> 02:00:57,280
Speaker 11: of Mark Cuban's cost Pluster Drugs website to get prescription

2338
02:00:57,360 --> 02:01:01,960
Speaker 11: drugs at very close to the cost of manufacturing, something

2339
02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:04,480
Speaker 11: that Trump reiterated multiple times that he did not name

2340
02:01:04,520 --> 02:01:07,360
Speaker 11: the Trump Accounts or trump Rx himself.

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02:01:07,800 --> 02:01:08,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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02:01:08,400 --> 02:01:11,240
Speaker 17: Sure, is this what the part when you tried to

2343
02:01:11,360 --> 02:01:15,880
Speaker 17: use a woman's IVF story for propaganda. Yeah, I really

2344
02:01:16,120 --> 02:01:16,840
Speaker 17: disliked that.

2345
02:01:17,720 --> 02:01:18,960
Speaker 8: Yes he did.

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02:01:19,040 --> 02:01:21,960
Speaker 11: He did one of these, like one of these people

2347
02:01:22,520 --> 02:01:26,400
Speaker 11: either brought in or sitting sitting high up in the pews.

2348
02:01:26,840 --> 02:01:28,680
Speaker 11: He tells a lot of these little stories throughout the

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02:01:28,680 --> 02:01:31,080
Speaker 11: State of the Union. He talked about a woman who

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02:01:31,120 --> 02:01:33,480
Speaker 11: was trying to do IVF and the drugs were very

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02:01:33,480 --> 02:01:37,200
Speaker 11: expensive and now thanks to Trump Orex's it's less money.

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02:01:37,760 --> 02:01:40,480
Speaker 17: Well, it's just obnoxious because Trump said that he was

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02:01:40,680 --> 02:01:43,680
Speaker 17: quote unquote the father of IVF and claimed to be

2354
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:47,960
Speaker 17: able to provide resources for people that want to pursue IVF,

2355
02:01:48,040 --> 02:01:50,560
Speaker 17: and he has not fallen through on any of those promises.

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02:01:50,720 --> 02:01:53,200
Speaker 4: He signed some executive orders that.

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02:01:53,120 --> 02:01:58,760
Speaker 17: Did boo all and it's still an absolutely outrageous cost

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02:01:59,200 --> 02:02:04,520
Speaker 17: to do IVF and he's done nothing. He's done nothing. Yeah,

2359
02:02:04,560 --> 02:02:06,640
Speaker 17: So to use it as propaganda, I find it to

2360
02:02:06,680 --> 02:02:07,879
Speaker 17: be extremely offensive.

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02:02:08,000 --> 02:02:11,600
Speaker 2: Well yeah, sure, but there's a lot that's offensive about

2362
02:02:11,640 --> 02:02:14,120
Speaker 2: the propaganda he does in this, like about the things

2363
02:02:14,160 --> 02:02:16,400
Speaker 2: he uses for propaganda, all the murders and.

2364
02:02:16,320 --> 02:02:20,360
Speaker 17: Like that's I just didn't want to I just didn't

2365
02:02:20,400 --> 02:02:22,400
Speaker 17: want to skip over that because it's not going to

2366
02:02:22,440 --> 02:02:24,120
Speaker 17: get as much of a headline as some of the

2367
02:02:24,200 --> 02:02:25,400
Speaker 17: other horrific things he did.

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Speaker 1: But it sucked.

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02:02:26,400 --> 02:02:29,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, what else sucks pretty hard? Rub it ads?

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02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:31,520
Speaker 4: Not the ads for this podcast.

2371
02:02:32,040 --> 02:02:35,160
Speaker 8: Oh no, absolutely not. No, I was thinking something entity different.

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Speaker 4: All right, we are back.

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Speaker 11: One thing that did get both both chambers of plotting

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Speaker 11: to the surprise of Trump, because both for the Democrats

2375
02:02:55,920 --> 02:02:59,160
Speaker 11: applot again a little bit of the Republicans is he

2376
02:02:59,200 --> 02:03:03,680
Speaker 11: talked about the Stop Inside or Trading Act, which would somehow,

2377
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Speaker 11: I need to look into the actual actual bill itself,

2378
02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:10,880
Speaker 11: but restrict to Congress people from doing inside or trading.

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Speaker 11: And this did cause a lot of applause on the

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Speaker 11: on the Democrats side and some applause on the Republican side.

2381
02:03:17,160 --> 02:03:20,640
Speaker 11: And Trump remarked on both being interesting, and I made

2382
02:03:20,640 --> 02:03:21,840
Speaker 11: a Nancy Pelosi joke.

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Speaker 17: She was there. They showed her later on. She was there.

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Speaker 11: In terms of disruptions to the Democratic side, Al Green

2385
02:03:28,760 --> 02:03:31,080
Speaker 11: did a little protest thing at the beginning, and then

2386
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Speaker 11: during the section where Trump was talking about the Democrat

2387
02:03:34,240 --> 02:03:37,800
Speaker 11: DHS shut down, he told he told the room to

2388
02:03:38,240 --> 02:03:42,000
Speaker 11: stand up if you believe that that protecting American citizens

2389
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:46,520
Speaker 11: is more important than protecting illegal immigrants or something something

2390
02:03:46,520 --> 02:03:47,200
Speaker 11: to that effect.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the role of the government is to protect American citizens,

2392
02:03:51,040 --> 02:03:53,920
Speaker 8: right like, yes, not illegal immigrants.

2393
02:03:54,640 --> 02:03:58,680
Speaker 11: And this caused a shouting back and forth between Alan

2394
02:03:58,760 --> 02:04:01,880
Speaker 11: o'mar and Trump would which lasted for lasted for quite

2395
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Speaker 11: a while. I wasn't able to hear very much on

2396
02:04:04,960 --> 02:04:08,160
Speaker 11: the car to newsfeed and it's there's I'm not seen

2397
02:04:08,240 --> 02:04:09,760
Speaker 11: much reporting on it yet because we were recording this

2398
02:04:09,920 --> 02:04:11,200
Speaker 11: literally minutes after.

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Speaker 17: She shouted that he's killing Americans.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that makes sense, Okay, yeah, yeah, which accurate? Which

2401
02:04:18,120 --> 02:04:20,400
Speaker 4: which he is? That is That is a solid That

2402
02:04:20,520 --> 02:04:21,400
Speaker 4: is a solid retort.

2403
02:04:21,520 --> 02:04:24,720
Speaker 11: And when you're talking about the DHS shutdown and standing

2404
02:04:24,760 --> 02:04:27,600
Speaker 11: up for American citizens as American citizens are being gotten

2405
02:04:27,640 --> 02:04:31,000
Speaker 11: down by the DHS, that is a fine retort, a

2406
02:04:31,000 --> 02:04:33,840
Speaker 11: retort that was mirrored in the Democratic response, which we

2407
02:04:33,920 --> 02:04:38,600
Speaker 11: might talk about an executive disorder tomorrow. He mentioned trans

2408
02:04:38,720 --> 02:04:41,160
Speaker 11: people kind of one time in the speech close to

2409
02:04:41,200 --> 02:04:45,760
Speaker 11: the middle. He talked about how a school socially transitioned

2410
02:04:46,240 --> 02:04:50,200
Speaker 11: someone without telling parents. This this kid ran away from

2411
02:04:50,200 --> 02:04:53,680
Speaker 11: home and then a left wing judge refused to return

2412
02:04:53,680 --> 02:04:56,400
Speaker 11: the child home. And this this person who was who

2413
02:04:56,440 --> 02:04:58,640
Speaker 11: was at the time a trans a trans guy was

2414
02:04:58,680 --> 02:05:02,320
Speaker 11: sent to an all always stay home but is now

2415
02:05:02,360 --> 02:05:06,160
Speaker 11: a proud young woman with a scholarship to Liberty University.

2416
02:05:06,120 --> 02:05:07,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2417
02:05:08,120 --> 02:05:11,080
Speaker 11: And this woman who is part of this little performance

2418
02:05:11,120 --> 02:05:14,600
Speaker 11: did this like zoomer finger gesture bit, Yeah.

2419
02:05:14,600 --> 02:05:16,280
Speaker 17: The Hailey Bieber hand gesture.

2420
02:05:16,600 --> 02:05:18,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm hit with the kids.

2421
02:05:18,200 --> 02:05:20,040
Speaker 8: Yeah I'm not. I didn't know what you talking about.

2422
02:05:20,080 --> 02:05:23,120
Speaker 11: It was annoying, like we need more normal d transitioners.

2423
02:05:23,160 --> 02:05:25,280
Speaker 11: But if you are, you just never are never going

2424
02:05:25,280 --> 02:05:26,360
Speaker 11: to show up to anything like this?

2425
02:05:26,720 --> 02:05:29,480
Speaker 8: No, yeah, yeah, right, yeah, who wants to have the

2426
02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:32,280
Speaker 8: President of the United States talk about your transition?

2427
02:05:32,640 --> 02:05:35,960
Speaker 11: You know what, when Joe Biden gets gets elected again,

2428
02:05:36,120 --> 02:05:38,160
Speaker 11: I'll show up. I'll show up at the State of

2429
02:05:38,200 --> 02:05:41,360
Speaker 11: the Union, Joe.

2430
02:05:43,520 --> 02:05:44,400
Speaker 4: I think it could happen.

2431
02:05:45,640 --> 02:05:47,480
Speaker 17: You know, stranger things have.

2432
02:05:48,280 --> 02:05:50,680
Speaker 11: But you know, Trump's line after this was, you know,

2433
02:05:50,840 --> 02:05:54,960
Speaker 11: talking about how there's all these transitions happening without telling parents,

2434
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:57,400
Speaker 11: and the quote we must ban it and we must

2435
02:05:57,440 --> 02:06:01,760
Speaker 11: ban it immediately. Whatever the trans stuff was all was

2436
02:06:01,800 --> 02:06:05,960
Speaker 11: all in relation to miners transitioning without rental approval. That

2437
02:06:06,120 --> 02:06:08,720
Speaker 11: was Trump's framing for the entirety of the transition stuff.

2438
02:06:08,920 --> 02:06:10,400
Speaker 11: It wasn't expanded beyond that.

2439
02:06:10,760 --> 02:06:13,000
Speaker 8: He did go off script to be like, these people

2440
02:06:13,040 --> 02:06:14,320
Speaker 8: are crazy, you're in that.

2441
02:06:14,600 --> 02:06:17,720
Speaker 11: Yeah, when the Democrats didn't applaud for his transcommence, he did,

2442
02:06:17,760 --> 02:06:20,280
Speaker 11: he did start talking about how, you know, deranged the

2443
02:06:20,480 --> 02:06:21,240
Speaker 11: Democrats are.

2444
02:06:21,440 --> 02:06:24,400
Speaker 2: He said, shame on you. Shan like got like a

2445
02:06:24,600 --> 02:06:26,240
Speaker 2: kind of a chant going almost.

2446
02:06:26,400 --> 02:06:28,760
Speaker 11: There was a lot of shame stuff back and forth

2447
02:06:28,800 --> 02:06:30,920
Speaker 11: in this section, say same thing during the like the

2448
02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:32,960
Speaker 11: stand up of you believe that the role of governments

2449
02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:34,120
Speaker 11: to protect American citizens.

2450
02:06:34,320 --> 02:06:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, those were the most like out and out fascist

2451
02:06:37,680 --> 02:06:44,240
Speaker 2: moments of this whole thing. Yes, like that in my opinion, Yeah.

2452
02:06:43,160 --> 02:06:45,480
Speaker 11: We got a Kirk moment after this trans thing. Talked

2453
02:06:45,480 --> 02:06:48,480
Speaker 11: about this renewal in Christianity among young people thanks to

2454
02:06:48,560 --> 02:06:49,920
Speaker 11: one Charlie Kirk who was.

2455
02:06:49,920 --> 02:06:51,080
Speaker 4: Martyred for his beliefs.

2456
02:06:51,160 --> 02:06:53,560
Speaker 11: Yeah, they you know, charted out Erica to do her

2457
02:06:53,720 --> 02:06:56,400
Speaker 11: like shtick that she's been perfecting for the past like

2458
02:06:56,480 --> 02:06:57,600
Speaker 11: six months.

2459
02:06:57,640 --> 02:07:04,520
Speaker 17: Surprisingly, no like fire or sparkers or anything.

2460
02:07:04,760 --> 02:07:09,640
Speaker 11: It was hard to recognize her without the fireworks. Then

2461
02:07:10,000 --> 02:07:13,480
Speaker 11: after this section, after the Charlie Kirk Christianity section, after

2462
02:07:13,520 --> 02:07:17,160
Speaker 11: the Saint Kirk section ended, it really became a military

2463
02:07:17,160 --> 02:07:20,360
Speaker 11: pageant for the rest. It got very metal gear solid

2464
02:07:20,440 --> 02:07:24,320
Speaker 11: correct for the final final, you know, forty five minutes,

2465
02:07:24,360 --> 02:07:27,040
Speaker 11: where he brought up a whole bunch of people and

2466
02:07:27,040 --> 02:07:31,040
Speaker 11: gave gave the medals as we've discussed, and then recounted

2467
02:07:31,080 --> 02:07:36,160
Speaker 11: the Maduro extraction. Yeah, in an extremely metal gear solid style.

2468
02:07:36,760 --> 02:07:40,800
Speaker 11: You talked about, you know, the bombing the Iranian nuclear facilities.

2469
02:07:40,840 --> 02:07:44,080
Speaker 11: He talked about bombing drug smugglers and remarked that we

2470
02:07:44,200 --> 02:07:48,800
Speaker 11: quote seriously damaged their fishing industry unquote, which is a

2471
02:07:48,800 --> 02:07:51,240
Speaker 11: little joke about how the people that they blew up

2472
02:07:51,320 --> 02:07:53,760
Speaker 11: might have just been fishermen, not actually drug smugglers.

2473
02:07:53,800 --> 02:07:55,919
Speaker 2: Well, in a joke about how, like the fishing industry

2474
02:07:55,960 --> 02:07:59,240
Speaker 2: has collapsed because people are too scared to get murdered

2475
02:07:59,240 --> 02:08:02,800
Speaker 2: by the US to go fish, so they support their families.

2476
02:08:03,120 --> 02:08:04,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, in addition to the fact that they were already

2477
02:08:04,880 --> 02:08:07,800
Speaker 8: struggling to afford fuel for like I know, Venezuela and

2478
02:08:07,800 --> 02:08:10,640
Speaker 8: fishermen wotings won't going great for them.

2479
02:08:11,000 --> 02:08:13,480
Speaker 11: Talked about how Hamas had to dig through piles of

2480
02:08:13,560 --> 02:08:17,200
Speaker 11: hundreds of bodies to find some of the slain hostages

2481
02:08:17,240 --> 02:08:20,080
Speaker 11: to return them as a part of the negotiations between

2482
02:08:20,200 --> 02:08:24,720
Speaker 11: Trump Moss and Israel and boasted that he had ended

2483
02:08:24,920 --> 02:08:29,360
Speaker 11: ten wars, and Marco Rubio looked a little soulless.

2484
02:08:29,960 --> 02:08:32,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, Marky, mark I took a little.

2485
02:08:32,320 --> 02:08:35,360
Speaker 17: Bit of a note on Marco Rubio because he said

2486
02:08:35,400 --> 02:08:38,720
Speaker 17: he will go down as the best ever Secretary of State,

2487
02:08:38,800 --> 02:08:41,960
Speaker 17: and it seemed like he was really throwing his support

2488
02:08:42,040 --> 02:08:46,200
Speaker 17: towards Marco Versus Vance tonight at the State of the Union.

2489
02:08:46,520 --> 02:08:48,640
Speaker 11: No, because Vance is now in charge of the War

2490
02:08:48,720 --> 02:08:53,000
Speaker 11: on fraud. The totally real thing. Yeah, yeah, that is happening,

2491
02:08:53,680 --> 02:08:56,280
Speaker 11: which Trump announced is JD. Vance's new role is to

2492
02:08:56,280 --> 02:08:58,120
Speaker 11: be in charge of the War on fraud.

2493
02:08:59,320 --> 02:09:02,240
Speaker 4: Great pig, JD Vance War Fraud.

2494
02:09:03,840 --> 02:09:04,960
Speaker 11: But do you want do you want to talk a

2495
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:08,040
Speaker 11: little bit more about this, like medical gear solid, Hideo

2496
02:09:08,160 --> 02:09:11,560
Speaker 11: Kajima military pageant finale to this speech.

2497
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:15,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, well I know about Hideo kajimas he tweeted in

2498
02:09:15,200 --> 02:09:18,640
Speaker 8: support of the FDF and then deleted it sad. Yeah.

2499
02:09:18,680 --> 02:09:21,440
Speaker 11: Wow, you live by the tweet, you die by the tweet.

2500
02:09:22,320 --> 02:09:24,760
Speaker 8: A lot of this was kind of textbook FASCI stuff,

2501
02:09:25,160 --> 02:09:28,280
Speaker 8: not to like, you know, overly belabor the point, but

2502
02:09:28,960 --> 02:09:32,400
Speaker 8: the bringing out of the survivors and victims of crime,

2503
02:09:33,280 --> 02:09:37,440
Speaker 8: the parading of military heroes, right, Like you can just

2504
02:09:37,520 --> 02:09:41,080
Speaker 8: go to Robert Paxton's book, which I have just over there,

2505
02:09:41,120 --> 02:09:42,600
Speaker 8: but I'm not going to read from it right now,

2506
02:09:42,760 --> 02:09:45,440
Speaker 8: Anatomy of Fascism. Yeah, see Anatomy of Fascism, and you

2507
02:09:45,440 --> 02:09:47,760
Speaker 8: can start checking off the list and you see so

2508
02:09:47,920 --> 02:09:49,040
Speaker 8: much of it here, right Yeah.

2509
02:09:49,040 --> 02:09:50,839
Speaker 11: I mean a mix of like you know, war veterans,

2510
02:09:50,880 --> 02:09:53,360
Speaker 11: World War Two. Trump had a lot of this to

2511
02:09:53,680 --> 02:09:55,680
Speaker 11: seventeen seventy six, the fact that the two hundred and

2512
02:09:55,680 --> 02:09:57,760
Speaker 11: fifty anniversary of the United States is coming up.

2513
02:09:57,840 --> 02:10:01,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, and then the national betrayal and the Scapegoat Group

2514
02:10:01,360 --> 02:10:03,240
Speaker 8: and him being the renovation.

2515
02:10:03,360 --> 02:10:04,760
Speaker 4: Like we got it all baby.

2516
02:10:05,760 --> 02:10:09,200
Speaker 8: Yeah. His speech read like he looked at Paxton has

2517
02:10:09,240 --> 02:10:12,760
Speaker 8: these motivating passions of fascism, and it looks like he

2518
02:10:12,840 --> 02:10:14,880
Speaker 8: kind of went down that as a checklist, as he

2519
02:10:15,000 --> 02:10:17,280
Speaker 8: was as whoever wrote this was writing it right like

2520
02:10:17,520 --> 02:10:21,560
Speaker 8: it has almost everything from that, the glorification of Marshall Valor,

2521
02:10:21,640 --> 02:10:24,080
Speaker 8: like I said, the blaming of Escapegoat group, like I

2522
02:10:24,240 --> 02:10:27,800
Speaker 8: alone can bring this nation back to great nurse things

2523
02:10:27,800 --> 02:10:31,920
Speaker 8: that were not new Fort Bragg is back, James, Yes,

2524
02:10:32,240 --> 02:10:36,640
Speaker 8: I believe different, a different different brag. Yeah, they found

2525
02:10:36,720 --> 02:10:41,320
Speaker 8: another guy called Brag, which he didn't mention. The Fort

2526
02:10:41,320 --> 02:10:43,600
Speaker 8: Bragg is back, but it's a different brag this time,

2527
02:10:43,880 --> 02:10:46,040
Speaker 8: and I'm sure just a coincidence it's the same as

2528
02:10:46,040 --> 02:10:46,480
Speaker 8: the first.

2529
02:10:47,280 --> 02:10:49,680
Speaker 11: But no, Robert, I think you're totally right that, like

2530
02:10:49,720 --> 02:10:51,640
Speaker 11: he started off by, you know, you have to adjust

2531
02:10:51,640 --> 02:10:53,400
Speaker 11: the economic stuff at the front because he ran on

2532
02:10:53,440 --> 02:10:55,280
Speaker 11: so much of it. But they want to get through

2533
02:10:55,280 --> 02:10:57,720
Speaker 11: that as quickly as possible. Then in order to try

2534
02:10:57,760 --> 02:11:01,520
Speaker 11: to coax this, like you, patriotic spirit, it devolves into

2535
02:11:01,560 --> 02:11:06,160
Speaker 11: this ceremony of like military greatness, of like returning to

2536
02:11:06,320 --> 02:11:09,160
Speaker 11: military greatness something that was lost and now we have Redone.

2537
02:11:09,160 --> 02:11:12,320
Speaker 11: You know, this was the most successful military operation in decades.

2538
02:11:12,360 --> 02:11:14,880
Speaker 11: I had four leaders calling me to congratulate me on it.

2539
02:11:15,200 --> 02:11:18,480
Speaker 11: You took down the Chinese and Russian defense systems. This

2540
02:11:18,520 --> 02:11:21,120
Speaker 11: guy's leg was ripped apart by bullets, but he still

2541
02:11:21,200 --> 02:11:24,160
Speaker 11: landed the chopper. Like so much of it becomes about,

2542
02:11:24,400 --> 02:11:28,880
Speaker 11: you know, the heroic moments done by other people to

2543
02:11:29,920 --> 02:11:35,480
Speaker 11: had pad around the actual fractured state of of Trump's

2544
02:11:35,560 --> 02:11:36,800
Speaker 11: of Trump's America.

2545
02:11:36,600 --> 02:11:39,680
Speaker 2: And waving the bloody shirt is a phrase you hear

2546
02:11:39,920 --> 02:11:42,320
Speaker 2: like it is a phrase you hear associated with fascist movements.

2547
02:11:42,320 --> 02:11:45,400
Speaker 2: It's literally referring to like a thing that happened during

2548
02:11:45,440 --> 02:11:48,480
Speaker 2: the rise of the Nazis, right as a result of

2549
02:11:48,520 --> 02:11:51,080
Speaker 2: like the murders of some of their street fighters. But

2550
02:11:51,400 --> 02:11:54,760
Speaker 2: that's I mean, like he's doing very much a version

2551
02:11:54,800 --> 02:11:57,160
Speaker 2: of that here, like including the fact that while he

2552
02:11:57,240 --> 02:12:00,240
Speaker 2: was talking about this attack on Venezuela and the that

2553
02:12:00,320 --> 02:12:02,720
Speaker 2: injured piloting the chopper, he spent like a lot of

2554
02:12:02,720 --> 02:12:06,160
Speaker 2: time talking about blood like sloshing around in the bottom

2555
02:12:06,240 --> 02:12:08,800
Speaker 2: of the of the of the flight down the aisle.

2556
02:12:08,560 --> 02:12:11,440
Speaker 4: The isle or whatever nil the isle of the chinook.

2557
02:12:11,480 --> 02:12:13,560
Speaker 11: The blood was streaming down, so all of the all

2558
02:12:13,560 --> 02:12:15,560
Speaker 11: the special forces in the back knew that the pilot

2559
02:12:15,600 --> 02:12:18,640
Speaker 11: was injured and that they were all at risk. Very bloody,

2560
02:12:18,800 --> 02:12:21,040
Speaker 11: very very bloody speech in general.

2561
02:12:21,320 --> 02:12:22,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, a lot of blood mentioned.

2562
02:12:23,040 --> 02:12:26,000
Speaker 11: There's Similarly, like the Lake and Riley sections of his

2563
02:12:26,040 --> 02:12:28,760
Speaker 11: State of the Union addressed last year were very similar,

2564
02:12:29,080 --> 02:12:31,040
Speaker 11: and he was trying to, you know, play play the

2565
02:12:31,080 --> 02:12:33,920
Speaker 11: hits in terms of how much that stuff, that stuff

2566
02:12:33,960 --> 02:12:35,640
Speaker 11: played well among his bass last year. He was trying

2567
02:12:35,680 --> 02:12:38,680
Speaker 11: to recreate that in a few moments when when one

2568
02:12:38,720 --> 02:12:40,760
Speaker 11: of the instances you have is you know, someone who

2569
02:12:40,800 --> 02:12:45,320
Speaker 11: was socially transitioned who now isn't and someone who was

2570
02:12:45,360 --> 02:12:48,200
Speaker 11: injured in a car accident, you know, not a murder.

2571
02:12:48,200 --> 02:12:49,960
Speaker 11: Those are two of your instances. It's starting to get

2572
02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:52,200
Speaker 11: weakened a little bit. He tried to use the Kirk

2573
02:12:52,200 --> 02:12:54,920
Speaker 11: assassination as one of these instances, and then one one

2574
02:12:54,960 --> 02:12:58,120
Speaker 11: instance of a stabbing that was a murder. Those were

2575
02:12:58,120 --> 02:13:00,640
Speaker 11: the bloody shirts that he was waving, as well as

2576
02:13:00,800 --> 02:13:04,040
Speaker 11: the National Guard and Jared Kushner.

2577
02:13:04,920 --> 02:13:07,440
Speaker 17: Kushner was that the mentioned him by name? I think

2578
02:13:07,480 --> 02:13:09,760
Speaker 17: more than once. It's always a jump scare for me.

2579
02:13:10,480 --> 02:13:13,000
Speaker 8: Yeah. He may have mentioned Kushner more than Vaughan's.

2580
02:13:13,560 --> 02:13:14,839
Speaker 4: Yes, definitely.

2581
02:13:15,320 --> 02:13:18,480
Speaker 17: He barely mentioned JD Bands, which is very interesting.

2582
02:13:18,920 --> 02:13:19,920
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2583
02:13:20,200 --> 02:13:22,080
Speaker 17: Does anybody else have any thoughts?

2584
02:13:22,440 --> 02:13:24,280
Speaker 4: No, it's ober.

2585
02:13:24,400 --> 02:13:25,000
Speaker 17: I'm glad.

2586
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:26,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's be done with this.

2587
02:13:26,840 --> 02:13:29,240
Speaker 17: Let's be done with this. That I was it was

2588
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Speaker 17: too long to begin with.

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Speaker 2: I wish we were finished with this state of the

2590
02:13:32,560 --> 02:13:35,800
Speaker 2: Union as soon as al Green was that's there's our

2591
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Speaker 2: reference to him getting for the second year in a row.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he's made to have it like.

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Speaker 2: Plans dinner for halfway through We're like, don't. I'm not

2594
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Speaker 2: going to be there long. I'm gonna I'm gonna worry

2595
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Speaker 2: out immediately.

2596
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Speaker 4: Don't worry why not?

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Speaker 17: And you know, if we decided there's more to talk about,

2598
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Speaker 17: we'll mention it on Edie. But for now, that's all

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Speaker 17: we got.

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Speaker 11: The Save America Act, he did mention, which we need

2601
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Speaker 11: to cover in depth very soon and.

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Speaker 17: We will, yes, we will, but for now, I.

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Speaker 8: This is it could happen here. Executive Disorder are weekly

2604
02:14:19,080 --> 02:14:21,720
Speaker 8: newscast covering what is happening in the White House, the

2605
02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:24,480
Speaker 8: crumbling of our world and what this means for you.

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02:14:25,000 --> 02:14:27,720
Speaker 8: I am James Stout and today I am joined by

2607
02:14:27,880 --> 02:14:32,480
Speaker 8: Sophie Lichtman and Mia What. This week, we're covering the

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02:14:32,600 --> 02:14:37,640
Speaker 8: week of February eighteenth to February twenty fifth.

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Speaker 17: We'll also have a segment by one Garrison. Davis added

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02:14:41,520 --> 02:14:44,360
Speaker 17: on later they were out in the field covering a

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02:14:44,440 --> 02:14:47,120
Speaker 17: story which will be an episode coming out soon.

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Speaker 8: But yeah, they were inside the capital, not the not

2613
02:14:51,880 --> 02:14:56,040
Speaker 8: the January States Capital. Yea, yeah, so around maumbarmy. I

2614
02:14:56,120 --> 02:14:59,080
Speaker 8: understand who's going to pardon them and it will be fine.

2615
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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, seems like four people who actually believe this.

2616
02:15:03,440 --> 02:15:07,839
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, please don't take to the subreddit. Garrison

2617
02:15:08,000 --> 02:15:12,320
Speaker 8: has not been arrested. It's up to a couple of small things,

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Speaker 8: I guess. Last week, the Georgia State Elections Board voted

2619
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Speaker 8: to reprimand Elon Musk's America Pack for mailing absentee ballot

2620
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Speaker 8: applications prey filled out with voting information during twenty twenty

2621
02:15:23,320 --> 02:15:25,920
Speaker 8: four elections that violates state law.

2622
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Speaker 4: Uh yeah, yeah.

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02:15:27,920 --> 02:15:29,520
Speaker 8: And they didn't they did this thing. I don't know

2624
02:15:29,520 --> 02:15:32,040
Speaker 8: if you remember this. They didn't indicate like it wasn't

2625
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Speaker 8: a ballot, it wasn't from the government to vote with,

2626
02:15:35,720 --> 02:15:37,040
Speaker 8: it was from Elon Musk.

2627
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Speaker 4: What that's so unhinged.

2628
02:15:40,520 --> 02:15:43,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, he was really on one back then. It'll be

2629
02:15:43,800 --> 02:15:45,800
Speaker 8: interesting to see how he approaches the mid terms with

2630
02:15:45,840 --> 02:15:47,200
Speaker 8: his America Party.

2631
02:15:47,480 --> 02:15:52,520
Speaker 17: Wow. Scotus did say that USPS is legally immune for

2632
02:15:52,600 --> 02:15:56,520
Speaker 17: intentionally missdelivered mail. They're basically saying, you know, and this

2633
02:15:56,640 --> 02:16:00,200
Speaker 17: was a five to four decision and it happened on Tuesday,

2634
02:16:00,240 --> 02:16:03,040
Speaker 17: February twenty fourth, that the US Postal Service can't be

2635
02:16:03,120 --> 02:16:07,480
Speaker 17: held liable for intentional failure to deliver mail only.

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Speaker 3: Hinge's decision by the way that the actual the actual

2637
02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:12,440
Speaker 3: story behind it is this black woman who was renting

2638
02:16:12,480 --> 02:16:15,480
Speaker 3: property out to people and all the like. The people

2639
02:16:15,520 --> 02:16:17,880
Speaker 3: were pissed about it because they're racists, and so they

2640
02:16:17,880 --> 02:16:21,200
Speaker 3: were doing shit like intentionally not delivering bills and stuff.

2641
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Speaker 3: They were like locking their mailboxes with like locks that

2642
02:16:24,640 --> 02:16:26,160
Speaker 3: no one had the keys to because the post office

2643
02:16:26,160 --> 02:16:29,520
Speaker 3: people were just putting locks on it. And it got

2644
02:16:29,640 --> 02:16:31,280
Speaker 3: ruled that they have immunity for this.

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Speaker 8: Wow. Bizarre.

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02:16:33,280 --> 02:16:36,080
Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean all of this just feels like it's

2647
02:16:36,600 --> 02:16:41,279
Speaker 17: being targeted for voter suppression. But yeah, that's a bigger story.

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02:16:41,520 --> 02:16:46,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's also another case of Supreme Court says racism, Fine.

2649
02:16:46,879 --> 02:16:48,359
Speaker 17: Yeah, money such cases.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, let's see. Uh that's the dog trine. The other

2651
02:16:51,360 --> 02:16:54,119
Speaker 8: thing was this this week is part of the DHS shutdown.

2652
02:16:54,640 --> 02:16:58,039
Speaker 8: Lewandowski and nom decided that they were going to shut

2653
02:16:58,040 --> 02:17:02,279
Speaker 8: down TSA, pre check and global so those people aren't familiar,

2654
02:17:02,320 --> 02:17:06,000
Speaker 8: are like expedited processing. One is for getting on the

2655
02:17:06,080 --> 02:17:09,000
Speaker 8: plane as you go for security there and the other

2656
02:17:09,040 --> 02:17:10,879
Speaker 8: one is for when you arrive in the United States

2657
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Speaker 8: and nuclear customes. That this lasted for like minutes. It

2658
02:17:15,720 --> 02:17:24,240
Speaker 8: seems to I think global entry is still paused. There

2659
02:17:24,280 --> 02:17:26,440
Speaker 8: are other ways in which having a global entry car

2660
02:17:26,520 --> 02:17:29,840
Speaker 8: can exploit your entry into the US. Still, but the

2661
02:17:29,879 --> 02:17:33,400
Speaker 8: pre check thing did not last very long because that

2662
02:17:33,440 --> 02:17:36,039
Speaker 8: would have probably pissed off all the wrong people, right, Like.

2663
02:17:36,480 --> 02:17:41,520
Speaker 17: Yeah, and also make lines even longer, which is airports

2664
02:17:41,560 --> 02:17:44,160
Speaker 17: are already a nightmare. Come on, come on, they.

2665
02:17:44,040 --> 02:17:46,199
Speaker 4: Would have gotten killed by the wrong congressional staffer.

2666
02:17:47,959 --> 02:17:51,200
Speaker 17: Right you think Ted Cruz doesn't have TSA pre check?

2667
02:17:51,360 --> 02:17:55,920
Speaker 8: Please the idea that like, Okay, so we're like, they're

2668
02:17:55,959 --> 02:17:58,440
Speaker 8: forcing all the TSA people to work anyway, right, because

2669
02:17:58,440 --> 02:18:00,840
Speaker 8: they are essential employees. But be like, if you can

2670
02:18:00,840 --> 02:18:03,240
Speaker 8: find a way to make those people work less, let's

2671
02:18:03,240 --> 02:18:05,080
Speaker 8: say by having a group of people who have been

2672
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Speaker 8: pre cleared so the TSA people don't have to spend

2673
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Speaker 8: quite a long checking them.

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Speaker 4: That helps.

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02:18:10,080 --> 02:18:12,959
Speaker 8: Actually, this is not a cost saving measure. This is

2676
02:18:13,240 --> 02:18:15,320
Speaker 8: clearly to try to punish people and put it on

2677
02:18:15,360 --> 02:18:15,840
Speaker 8: the dems.

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02:18:16,040 --> 02:18:19,160
Speaker 17: I simply have TSA pre check just so I don't

2679
02:18:19,200 --> 02:18:21,720
Speaker 17: have to take off my shoes, and because it brings

2680
02:18:21,720 --> 02:18:23,520
Speaker 17: me great joy when I get to ditch people who

2681
02:18:23,640 --> 02:18:28,199
Speaker 17: do not have love ditching Robert Evans at the airport

2682
02:18:29,040 --> 02:18:31,840
Speaker 17: and every time we travel together, it's a battle who

2683
02:18:31,840 --> 02:18:34,920
Speaker 17: will get through the line first, And one time it

2684
02:18:34,959 --> 02:18:38,840
Speaker 17: was him and he was like, ah, you know what

2685
02:18:38,920 --> 02:18:43,520
Speaker 17: I deserve that a prettiest years of a previous job

2686
02:18:43,680 --> 02:18:48,600
Speaker 17: bought me that PSA prew check and I've had it

2687
02:18:48,640 --> 02:18:52,800
Speaker 17: for years and wow, I love not taking my shoes off.

2688
02:18:53,280 --> 02:18:53,800
Speaker 4: That's it.

2689
02:18:53,959 --> 02:18:57,040
Speaker 17: That's the only person for me. I'm like, Wow, get

2690
02:18:57,160 --> 02:19:01,480
Speaker 17: to wear shoes first worldbum.

2691
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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, let's talk briefly about Mexico.

2692
02:19:09,400 --> 02:19:11,760
Speaker 3: Yes, oh god, dramatic tone shift.

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02:19:12,080 --> 02:19:14,240
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, yeah, well you know you might use your

2694
02:19:14,320 --> 02:19:16,400
Speaker 8: pre check on a trip to Mexico.

2695
02:19:16,560 --> 02:19:16,800
Speaker 4: Wow.

2696
02:19:17,640 --> 02:19:18,119
Speaker 17: Transition.

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02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:21,039
Speaker 8: Wow, yeah, that's a transition. That's what we do here,

2698
02:19:21,080 --> 02:19:26,920
Speaker 8: I see, Yeah, professional podcasting. The Mexican military killed Elemento

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02:19:27,160 --> 02:19:31,560
Speaker 8: on Sunday. Mencho's legal name is Nemesio where a servantees.

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02:19:31,800 --> 02:19:34,280
Speaker 8: He was, of course the leader of the CJ and G,

2701
02:19:34,600 --> 02:19:36,840
Speaker 8: which is I guess the English translation would be like

2702
02:19:36,920 --> 02:19:41,560
Speaker 8: the Hallisco Cartel new Generation. The Spanish acronym is how

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02:19:41,560 --> 02:19:44,480
Speaker 8: it's generally used. He was also the most wanted person

2704
02:19:44,560 --> 02:19:50,520
Speaker 8: in Mexico. The operation was carried out by the Mexican military.

2705
02:19:51,400 --> 02:19:54,720
Speaker 8: I've seen some reports they didn't notify local law enforcement

2706
02:19:54,800 --> 02:19:57,720
Speaker 8: so he wouldn't be tipped off now. Mento is reported

2707
02:19:57,760 --> 02:20:01,280
Speaker 8: to have died on a military flight after the raid,

2708
02:20:01,720 --> 02:20:04,160
Speaker 8: so have been injured in the raid and then died

2709
02:20:04,480 --> 02:20:07,320
Speaker 8: on the way back to Mexico City, where he was

2710
02:20:07,360 --> 02:20:10,440
Speaker 8: obviously going to be treated, and then questioned if he survived.

2711
02:20:10,440 --> 02:20:12,800
Speaker 8: I guess in response, more than two hundred and fifty

2712
02:20:12,879 --> 02:20:16,119
Speaker 8: nar called blockadoes knuckle blockades, if you're not familiar, are

2713
02:20:16,879 --> 02:20:20,160
Speaker 8: roadblocks that are generally made up of vehicles that are carjacked.

2714
02:20:20,200 --> 02:20:23,199
Speaker 8: They're often like buses, and then they're set a blaze

2715
02:20:23,280 --> 02:20:25,400
Speaker 8: that they're set at ninety degrees to the direction of

2716
02:20:25,400 --> 02:20:27,280
Speaker 8: travel of the road right, so it makes a roadblock.

2717
02:20:27,600 --> 02:20:28,840
Speaker 8: So more than two hundred and fifty of these were

2718
02:20:28,840 --> 02:20:34,520
Speaker 8: set up around the country. This is a relatively common response.

2719
02:20:35,080 --> 02:20:37,959
Speaker 8: The most I guess like serious response we've seen to

2720
02:20:38,080 --> 02:20:41,880
Speaker 8: a government action before was called the Kolia Kanasso Couliacan

2721
02:20:42,040 --> 02:20:43,840
Speaker 8: was in a lower cartel. This this one they're calling

2722
02:20:43,879 --> 02:20:47,440
Speaker 8: the men jassel right, using the same etymology. I guess.

2723
02:20:48,160 --> 02:20:52,080
Speaker 8: There have also been a tax on Mexican National Guard troops,

2724
02:20:52,160 --> 02:20:54,760
Speaker 8: killing more than two dozen in twenty four hours following

2725
02:20:54,800 --> 02:20:59,720
Speaker 8: the raids. More than sixty civilians I've now been reported

2726
02:20:59,720 --> 02:21:05,080
Speaker 8: to being killed, including a pregnant woman. Yeah, it's all like,

2727
02:21:05,879 --> 02:21:08,800
Speaker 8: it's folks in Mexico who are going to suffer, right,

2728
02:21:08,879 --> 02:21:11,400
Speaker 8: Like it's everyday people trying to get on with their lives.

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02:21:11,840 --> 02:21:14,800
Speaker 8: Another of the things that happened is the bank will Benstar,

2730
02:21:15,040 --> 02:21:17,480
Speaker 8: so like well being bank, I guess I would translate

2731
02:21:17,480 --> 02:21:20,240
Speaker 8: that as it's a bank that exists to bring people

2732
02:21:20,280 --> 02:21:24,080
Speaker 8: into the banking system who would otherwise be unbanked. It's

2733
02:21:24,120 --> 02:21:27,039
Speaker 8: a government initiative in Mexico, so a lot of branches

2734
02:21:27,080 --> 02:21:30,480
Speaker 8: of that bank have been burnt down. This is part

2735
02:21:30,480 --> 02:21:32,800
Speaker 8: of a tendency on the part of shinen balm Right

2736
02:21:32,879 --> 02:21:37,200
Speaker 8: to repudiate the previous policy of hugs not bullets, and

2737
02:21:37,600 --> 02:21:42,560
Speaker 8: to go after organized crime in Mexico more violently. I guess.

2738
02:21:43,040 --> 02:21:46,080
Speaker 8: It seems like the country's security forces have been leading

2739
02:21:46,080 --> 02:21:49,000
Speaker 8: the charge against the seen a Lower cartel, and this

2740
02:21:49,080 --> 02:21:51,360
Speaker 8: may be indicates that it's the military who were going

2741
02:21:51,440 --> 02:21:55,160
Speaker 8: after the Hallischoo cartel. So like the two branches are

2742
02:21:55,200 --> 02:22:01,119
Speaker 8: pursuing separate missions against against different entities. Right, it remains

2743
02:22:01,200 --> 02:22:03,800
Speaker 8: to be seen if there was any US involvement. I

2744
02:22:03,920 --> 02:22:09,240
Speaker 8: kind of take issue at the Niegiac suggestion that there

2745
02:22:09,280 --> 02:22:12,800
Speaker 8: has to have been US involvement. Like, the Mexican government

2746
02:22:12,840 --> 02:22:15,039
Speaker 8: is more than capable of doing state violence. It has

2747
02:22:15,080 --> 02:22:17,240
Speaker 8: done so for a long time. Ye, you know, the

2748
02:22:17,280 --> 02:22:19,560
Speaker 8: Mexican government is capable of acting on its own. Not

2749
02:22:19,680 --> 02:22:22,640
Speaker 8: everything that happens is about America. I don't want to

2750
02:22:22,720 --> 02:22:25,040
Speaker 8: cover this in too great of a detail. It's not

2751
02:22:25,080 --> 02:22:27,600
Speaker 8: really a beat that we report on other than this

2752
02:22:27,840 --> 02:22:30,320
Speaker 8: is a relatively major occurrence in Mexico.

2753
02:22:30,720 --> 02:22:37,000
Speaker 17: Yeah, and Gear is gonna plug in now, future Gear,

2754
02:22:37,520 --> 02:22:38,480
Speaker 17: tell us what you got.

2755
02:22:39,160 --> 02:22:39,440
Speaker 4: Hello.

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Speaker 11: Garrison Davis here with Sophie Leuchterman for a special segment

2757
02:22:43,600 --> 02:22:48,320
Speaker 11: about the Super Bowl commercial for Ring the Doorbell, owned

2758
02:22:48,320 --> 02:22:52,279
Speaker 11: by Amazon Yep. During the Super Bowl, Amazon's Ring Doorbell

2759
02:22:52,360 --> 02:22:56,199
Speaker 11: air commercial showing off a new feature called search Party,

2760
02:22:56,720 --> 02:23:01,240
Speaker 11: which was advertised as a way to locate lost by

2761
02:23:01,320 --> 02:23:04,760
Speaker 11: automatically searching through footage captured by ring cameras in the

2762
02:23:04,760 --> 02:23:06,760
Speaker 11: neighborhood to track of pet's movements.

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02:23:07,040 --> 02:23:10,000
Speaker 17: Ooh, who picked the name search party? And who thought

2764
02:23:10,040 --> 02:23:11,039
Speaker 17: that wasn't creepy?

2765
02:23:11,240 --> 02:23:13,440
Speaker 11: Search Party is interesting because it makes you think of

2766
02:23:13,480 --> 02:23:16,320
Speaker 11: like a crime scene. Yes, that is a brain link

2767
02:23:16,320 --> 02:23:20,280
Speaker 11: that they may not have intended. Let's play, yes, please

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02:23:20,640 --> 02:23:24,840
Speaker 11: the audio from this commercial because, as Sophie discussed before,

2769
02:23:24,879 --> 02:23:28,480
Speaker 11: we started this segment where we're unsure of the overlap

2770
02:23:28,520 --> 02:23:31,160
Speaker 11: of it could happen here listeners and Super Bowl watchers.

2771
02:23:31,480 --> 02:23:35,879
Speaker 11: So here is the Ring commercial audio. It's thirty seconds.

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02:23:35,920 --> 02:23:37,680
Speaker 8: This is Milow pets or family.

2773
02:23:38,800 --> 02:23:41,800
Speaker 16: But every year ten million go missing, and the way

2774
02:23:41,840 --> 02:23:44,400
Speaker 16: we look for them hasn't changed in years.

2775
02:23:45,800 --> 02:23:46,600
Speaker 4: Until now.

2776
02:23:47,120 --> 02:23:48,960
Speaker 16: One post of a dog's photo in the Ring app

2777
02:23:49,000 --> 02:23:51,800
Speaker 16: starts outdoor cameras looking for a match. Search Party from

2778
02:23:51,879 --> 02:23:54,520
Speaker 16: Ring uses AI to help families find lost dogs.

2779
02:23:54,680 --> 02:23:55,640
Speaker 8: Since launch, more.

2780
02:23:55,560 --> 02:23:57,920
Speaker 16: Than a dog a day has been reunited with their family.

2781
02:23:58,000 --> 02:24:01,000
Speaker 16: Be a hero in your neighborhood with search available to

2782
02:24:01,080 --> 02:24:05,040
Speaker 16: everyone for free right now, Join the neighborhood at Ring

2783
02:24:05,160 --> 02:24:05,800
Speaker 16: dot com.

2784
02:24:06,400 --> 02:24:07,560
Speaker 4: Join the neighborhood.

2785
02:24:08,280 --> 02:24:08,320
Speaker 15: No.

2786
02:24:08,879 --> 02:24:10,480
Speaker 17: Also, when did they launch this?

2787
02:24:10,680 --> 02:24:14,560
Speaker 4: Do we know it's launched? I'm pretty sure search parties launched.

2788
02:24:14,600 --> 02:24:16,560
Speaker 17: I just don't believe that Dog and Day bullshit.

2789
02:24:17,680 --> 02:24:20,640
Speaker 11: It launched in late twenty twenty five, Okay, And I

2790
02:24:20,680 --> 02:24:23,560
Speaker 11: can speak to this a little bit more, actually sure

2791
02:24:23,680 --> 02:24:27,039
Speaker 11: because I saw this feature early when I was in

2792
02:24:27,120 --> 02:24:32,600
Speaker 11: Las Vegas actually right this commercial. This intends to portray,

2793
02:24:32,680 --> 02:24:36,440
Speaker 11: you know, a heartwarming unification of a dog and its owner,

2794
02:24:36,560 --> 02:24:41,240
Speaker 11: but in effect the ad sparked public backlash, including from

2795
02:24:41,280 --> 02:24:47,080
Speaker 11: politicians like Massachusetts Senator Ed Markey, and privacy rights organizations

2796
02:24:47,440 --> 02:24:53,040
Speaker 11: and among normies, because this ad accidentally demonstrated the technological

2797
02:24:53,120 --> 02:24:56,959
Speaker 11: capacity to turn every neighborhood ring camera into a web

2798
02:24:56,959 --> 02:25:00,160
Speaker 11: of surveillance that AI can use to locate anything.

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02:25:00,160 --> 02:25:01,600
Speaker 4: Based on a picture.

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Speaker 11: Now, as I said, I saw this feature unveiled at

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Speaker 11: CEES last month. I talked about it on Better Offline.

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Speaker 11: At ces the AI search functionality was described like this.

2803
02:25:14,080 --> 02:25:16,280
Speaker 11: The owner of a lost pet can upload a photo

2804
02:25:16,560 --> 02:25:19,520
Speaker 11: and post a notice in the ring app an Amazon

2805
02:25:19,560 --> 02:25:22,080
Speaker 11: will utilize ring cameras in the area to search for matches,

2806
02:25:22,080 --> 02:25:24,200
Speaker 11: and if a match is found, the owner of the

2807
02:25:24,240 --> 02:25:26,360
Speaker 11: camera can share the footage with the owner of the

2808
02:25:26,400 --> 02:25:29,960
Speaker 11: lost pet. But the public display this technology during the

2809
02:25:29,959 --> 02:25:33,840
Speaker 11: Super Bowl has stirred trouble and bad headlines for Amazon.

2810
02:25:34,200 --> 02:25:35,560
Speaker 4: Senator Ed Markey said that the.

2811
02:25:35,520 --> 02:25:39,240
Speaker 11: Ad quote exposed a scary truth the technology in its

2812
02:25:39,320 --> 02:25:42,119
Speaker 11: doorbell cameras can be used to hunt down a lost

2813
02:25:42,160 --> 02:25:48,119
Speaker 11: pet or a person. Americans oppose this creepy surveillance state unquote,

2814
02:25:48,320 --> 02:25:51,600
Speaker 11: and the privacy rights organization the Electronic Frontier Foundation wrote

2815
02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:54,160
Speaker 11: in a statement that the ad was quote unquote disguised

2816
02:25:54,160 --> 02:25:59,119
Speaker 11: as heartfelt, but actually quote previewed future surveillance of our streets,

2817
02:25:59,360 --> 02:26:03,000
Speaker 11: a world where biometric identification could be unleashed from consumer

2818
02:26:03,040 --> 02:26:08,240
Speaker 11: devices to identify, track, and locate anything human, pet, or otherwise.

2819
02:26:08,600 --> 02:26:08,920
Speaker 4: Quote.

2820
02:26:09,680 --> 02:26:13,320
Speaker 11: Now, these concerns are in the wake of high profile

2821
02:26:13,360 --> 02:26:17,600
Speaker 11: ICE rates targeting neighborhoods, and a recent announcement that RING

2822
02:26:17,959 --> 02:26:21,480
Speaker 11: was going to partner with the police surveillance company Flock,

2823
02:26:22,120 --> 02:26:26,920
Speaker 11: which operates large scale, integrated camera systems that allow police

2824
02:26:26,959 --> 02:26:31,480
Speaker 11: to tap into a network of surveillance in urban areas

2825
02:26:31,879 --> 02:26:37,120
Speaker 11: through cameras and license plate readers. Now, Flock claims that

2826
02:26:37,200 --> 02:26:41,920
Speaker 11: they do not give federal immigration agencies direct access to footage,

2827
02:26:42,320 --> 02:26:44,000
Speaker 11: and that may be true, that.

2828
02:26:43,879 --> 02:26:46,720
Speaker 17: Doesn't mean that won't change that they don't have capability

2829
02:26:46,760 --> 02:26:47,279
Speaker 17: to do.

2830
02:26:47,200 --> 02:26:50,040
Speaker 11: So well, and that doesn't mean that CBP and ICE

2831
02:26:50,160 --> 02:26:54,800
Speaker 11: can't acquire that footage in an other ways and currently

2832
02:26:54,879 --> 02:26:57,800
Speaker 11: right now, a four h four media report from last

2833
02:26:57,920 --> 02:27:02,520
Speaker 11: May showed that local police working with ICE used Flock's

2834
02:27:02,600 --> 02:27:05,200
Speaker 11: camera network to track immigrants as a part of ICE

2835
02:27:05,280 --> 02:27:09,720
Speaker 11: and homeland security investigations, so they are getting access to

2836
02:27:09,760 --> 02:27:12,480
Speaker 11: this footage even though they aren't directly tapped into the

2837
02:27:12,560 --> 02:27:16,000
Speaker 11: Flock network because they can work with local agencies in

2838
02:27:16,320 --> 02:27:20,200
Speaker 11: states that do not have sanctuary city policies and in

2839
02:27:20,280 --> 02:27:23,240
Speaker 11: states that maybe do, because police.

2840
02:27:22,920 --> 02:27:25,400
Speaker 4: May not be always following those laws.

2841
02:27:25,959 --> 02:27:29,160
Speaker 11: Ring, not Flock, says that their footage can be requested

2842
02:27:29,160 --> 02:27:31,640
Speaker 11: by local law enforcement and users can decide whether or

2843
02:27:31,680 --> 02:27:35,680
Speaker 11: not to respond, though Ring is also subject to warrens

2844
02:27:35,680 --> 02:27:39,680
Speaker 11: of subpoenas and court orders requiring some footage be handed

2845
02:27:39,720 --> 02:27:43,520
Speaker 11: over to authorities. Following the backlash to the Super Bowl ad,

2846
02:27:44,080 --> 02:27:48,760
Speaker 11: Ring canceled its partnership with Flock in what the companies

2847
02:27:48,760 --> 02:27:52,160
Speaker 11: describe as a mutual decision. The deal would have allowed

2848
02:27:52,240 --> 02:27:55,440
Speaker 11: Ring owners to directly share footage with the Flock network.

2849
02:27:55,800 --> 02:27:56,080
Speaker 4: Now.

2850
02:27:56,320 --> 02:28:00,440
Speaker 11: All of this happened around the same time that the

2851
02:28:00,520 --> 02:28:05,640
Speaker 11: FBI was able to access recorded footage from Nancy Guthrie's

2852
02:28:05,720 --> 02:28:09,160
Speaker 11: Google Nest camera as a part of that kidnapping investigation,

2853
02:28:09,840 --> 02:28:14,920
Speaker 11: despite Guthrie not having an active recording subscription, so this

2854
02:28:15,080 --> 02:28:19,760
Speaker 11: too sparked privacy concerns. Cash Rettel FBI director said that

2855
02:28:19,840 --> 02:28:24,119
Speaker 11: the footage was recovered from quote residual data located in

2856
02:28:24,200 --> 02:28:29,040
Speaker 11: back end systems. This was footage that Google records and

2857
02:28:29,120 --> 02:28:32,440
Speaker 11: stores for free on a temporary basis, usually for a

2858
02:28:32,480 --> 02:28:35,280
Speaker 11: few hours before it is quote unquote deleted. So if

2859
02:28:35,280 --> 02:28:37,480
Speaker 11: you have one of these Nest cameras, Google will store

2860
02:28:38,120 --> 02:28:39,959
Speaker 11: a few hours of footage for you to look at

2861
02:28:40,000 --> 02:28:42,400
Speaker 11: for free and then says that it's going to quote

2862
02:28:42,440 --> 02:28:46,240
Speaker 11: unquote deleted, and Nest owners can pay a reoccurring fee

2863
02:28:46,400 --> 02:28:49,800
Speaker 11: to keep that footage accessible on the Google Cloud for longer.

2864
02:28:50,040 --> 02:28:53,520
Speaker 11: Guthrie did not have such a subscription, so this data

2865
02:28:53,600 --> 02:28:57,000
Speaker 11: that was recorded was marked for deletion. But data deletion

2866
02:28:57,240 --> 02:29:00,840
Speaker 11: is not an immediate process. It just a piece of

2867
02:29:00,920 --> 02:29:04,119
Speaker 11: data as being okay to write over with new data,

2868
02:29:04,840 --> 02:29:09,160
Speaker 11: which means until that happens, fragments of that data can

2869
02:29:09,200 --> 02:29:13,080
Speaker 11: be retrieved and pieced back together. But this can be

2870
02:29:13,240 --> 02:29:16,040
Speaker 11: tricky and take a lot of time, and in this case,

2871
02:29:16,080 --> 02:29:20,840
Speaker 11: it took Google over a week for a very high profile.

2872
02:29:20,440 --> 02:29:24,160
Speaker 17: Case, and they're still working behind the scenes to retrieve

2873
02:29:24,280 --> 02:29:27,440
Speaker 17: even more footage. Yeah, from this Nest camera.

2874
02:29:27,760 --> 02:29:28,800
Speaker 4: It's it's not easy.

2875
02:29:28,840 --> 02:29:31,880
Speaker 11: I think the sort of privacy concerns for this case

2876
02:29:32,120 --> 02:29:35,880
Speaker 11: do not reflect largely for I think most people's concerns

2877
02:29:35,959 --> 02:29:38,320
Speaker 11: because the specific way Google stores it footage in the

2878
02:29:38,320 --> 02:29:40,800
Speaker 11: cloud is also unique to the Google Nest system.

2879
02:29:40,959 --> 02:29:42,840
Speaker 4: Ring doesn't do it in this same way.

2880
02:29:43,040 --> 02:29:48,480
Speaker 17: They also ended up outsourcing this to private security retrievers

2881
02:29:48,920 --> 02:29:53,600
Speaker 17: for data retrievers, as opposed to doing it internally either

2882
02:29:53,920 --> 02:29:58,280
Speaker 17: with the local sheriffs or FBI, which says a lot.

2883
02:29:58,720 --> 02:30:02,879
Speaker 11: Yeah, not surprising, and yeah, there's always a concern with

2884
02:30:02,920 --> 02:30:05,439
Speaker 11: these sorts of you know, doorbell cameras, that the footage

2885
02:30:05,760 --> 02:30:08,959
Speaker 11: can be subpoened, right, sure, but that process also takes.

2886
02:30:08,760 --> 02:30:09,240
Speaker 4: A long time.

2887
02:30:09,280 --> 02:30:10,959
Speaker 11: I think there's a difference between the sort of flock

2888
02:30:11,040 --> 02:30:15,840
Speaker 11: style immediate access and subpoenating footage or having to piece

2889
02:30:15,879 --> 02:30:18,840
Speaker 11: together fragmented footage in the case of like the Nest

2890
02:30:19,000 --> 02:30:22,600
Speaker 11: storage system. But this is this is the current situation

2891
02:30:22,760 --> 02:30:25,080
Speaker 11: with with the Ring and Flock deal that fell through.

2892
02:30:25,640 --> 02:30:30,360
Speaker 11: Ring does partner with Axon, the bodycam company. Similarly, police

2893
02:30:30,360 --> 02:30:33,920
Speaker 11: can send requests to Ring users and they can voluntarily

2894
02:30:34,320 --> 02:30:37,400
Speaker 11: send the footage if they choose not to. If police

2895
02:30:37,440 --> 02:30:39,120
Speaker 11: really want that footage, they can try to get a

2896
02:30:39,160 --> 02:30:42,039
Speaker 11: court order that may or may not succeed, depending on

2897
02:30:42,120 --> 02:30:43,360
Speaker 11: the details of that case.

2898
02:30:43,959 --> 02:30:49,840
Speaker 17: My question is when you were a CS what were

2899
02:30:49,879 --> 02:30:53,600
Speaker 17: they highlighting there? Was it different from this commercial or

2900
02:30:53,680 --> 02:30:55,200
Speaker 17: was it a similar campaign?

2901
02:30:55,480 --> 02:30:58,640
Speaker 11: It was very similar to this commercial. It was it

2902
02:30:58,680 --> 02:31:01,800
Speaker 11: was like a section of the large like Amazon room.

2903
02:31:01,920 --> 02:31:05,039
Speaker 11: Like Amazon has a whole suite a suite in this hotel,

2904
02:31:05,080 --> 02:31:07,039
Speaker 11: but it's it's it's not like a hotel room. It's

2905
02:31:07,040 --> 02:31:08,880
Speaker 11: on the convention floor, but they have like their whole

2906
02:31:09,080 --> 02:31:12,640
Speaker 11: whole like kind of ballroom section Amazon Wing and Amazon

2907
02:31:12,680 --> 02:31:15,400
Speaker 11: Wing of the convention. Yeah, and this was one of

2908
02:31:15,440 --> 02:31:17,640
Speaker 11: the many products. They had a few other surveillance products,

2909
02:31:17,640 --> 02:31:20,920
Speaker 11: like a like a security camera tower it's powered by

2910
02:31:20,959 --> 02:31:23,440
Speaker 11: solar that can like roll around. Also is planning to

2911
02:31:23,480 --> 02:31:27,960
Speaker 11: integrate into these web surveillance networks. But since this ad

2912
02:31:28,000 --> 02:31:31,760
Speaker 11: and the negative backlash which led to the Flock deal

2913
02:31:31,840 --> 02:31:34,959
Speaker 11: coming through, there still has been reports from four oh

2914
02:31:35,040 --> 02:31:39,360
Speaker 11: four media about internal discussions among Ring to use search

2915
02:31:39,440 --> 02:31:43,800
Speaker 11: Party for crime to quote unquote stop crime, and they're

2916
02:31:43,800 --> 02:31:46,880
Speaker 11: still ongoing discussion on the various ways to apply this technology.

2917
02:31:47,600 --> 02:31:50,800
Speaker 11: In an internal email acquired by four oh four, the

2918
02:31:50,959 --> 02:31:54,720
Speaker 11: Ring CEO said that search Party could be a tool

2919
02:31:55,000 --> 02:32:00,440
Speaker 11: to help quote zero out crime in neighborhoods. The abilities

2920
02:32:00,480 --> 02:32:03,400
Speaker 11: of using this to track humans are very known among

2921
02:32:03,480 --> 02:32:04,360
Speaker 11: the people at RING.

2922
02:32:05,160 --> 02:32:07,360
Speaker 17: I think it's really interesting how quickly this partnership was

2923
02:32:07,400 --> 02:32:10,360
Speaker 17: dissolved with the backlash from that Super Bowl ad. It

2924
02:32:10,440 --> 02:32:13,960
Speaker 17: seemed to be almost instant. It's pretty quick, which shows

2925
02:32:14,240 --> 02:32:18,760
Speaker 17: that once upthing's really bad and you pointed out sometimes

2926
02:32:18,920 --> 02:32:21,120
Speaker 17: that can work to stop said bad thing.

2927
02:32:21,800 --> 02:32:23,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah.

2928
02:32:23,280 --> 02:32:26,320
Speaker 17: Search party creepy, though like a law enforcement still wants

2929
02:32:26,320 --> 02:32:29,960
Speaker 17: to use it potentially be helpful with certain things, maybe,

2930
02:32:30,280 --> 02:32:34,320
Speaker 17: but it really just seems like they're trying to do

2931
02:32:34,560 --> 02:32:36,120
Speaker 17: like normal people surveillance.

2932
02:32:36,400 --> 02:32:39,279
Speaker 11: Yeah, and then putting it with this you heartwarming package

2933
02:32:39,440 --> 02:32:43,000
Speaker 11: of helping find lost dogs. If you want to locate

2934
02:32:43,040 --> 02:32:44,680
Speaker 11: a lost dog, the most efficient way to do that

2935
02:32:44,840 --> 02:32:47,560
Speaker 11: is by having your dog micro trip. That is still

2936
02:32:47,600 --> 02:32:52,359
Speaker 11: the most most reliable method. Using this integrated camera network

2937
02:32:52,400 --> 02:32:55,400
Speaker 11: as a as a way to coax people into submitting

2938
02:32:55,800 --> 02:32:58,400
Speaker 11: into a system like this by waving the lost puppy

2939
02:32:58,440 --> 02:33:00,640
Speaker 11: banner is a little bit insid.

2940
02:33:00,720 --> 02:33:03,279
Speaker 17: Leave the dogs alone. The dogs don't want to be surveiled.

2941
02:33:03,920 --> 02:33:06,400
Speaker 17: My dog doesn't want to be surveilled. She does she

2942
02:33:06,560 --> 02:33:09,960
Speaker 17: surveils my house. Stop trying to take the dog's jobs.

2943
02:33:10,360 --> 02:33:12,040
Speaker 17: We're gonna go to a quick ad break and we'll

2944
02:33:12,080 --> 02:33:27,160
Speaker 17: be back. And we're back. And I just wanted to

2945
02:33:27,200 --> 02:33:30,920
Speaker 17: follow up on something that was kind of overlooked from

2946
02:33:31,000 --> 02:33:33,039
Speaker 17: the City of the Union, which was, you know, kind

2947
02:33:33,040 --> 02:33:37,160
Speaker 17: of a throwaway discussion about IVF, and I just wanted

2948
02:33:37,200 --> 02:33:40,160
Speaker 17: to give some information because I think it's worth talking

2949
02:33:40,160 --> 02:33:43,320
Speaker 17: about for those of you who don't know, IVF is

2950
02:33:43,640 --> 02:33:48,039
Speaker 17: incredibly expensive. According to I looked at the National Bureau

2951
02:33:48,080 --> 02:33:51,680
Speaker 17: of Economic Research as well as an article from CNY

2952
02:33:51,800 --> 02:33:55,360
Speaker 17: Fertility that says the average coughs of IVF is often

2953
02:33:55,440 --> 02:33:58,280
Speaker 17: quoted at twelve thousand dollars, but that is just the

2954
02:33:58,440 --> 02:34:02,400
Speaker 17: price quoted by the Fertillity Clinic for like their base package.

2955
02:34:02,440 --> 02:34:04,360
Speaker 17: And I have several friends who have gone through this

2956
02:34:04,640 --> 02:34:09,440
Speaker 17: and the costs are outrageous. Many other necessary expenses on

2957
02:34:09,480 --> 02:34:12,760
Speaker 17: top of that, twelve thousand dollars is around twenty thousand

2958
02:34:12,840 --> 02:34:18,080
Speaker 17: dollars and for most folks, on average, IBS doesn't necessarily

2959
02:34:18,080 --> 02:34:19,879
Speaker 17: work the first time around. For a lot of people,

2960
02:34:20,480 --> 02:34:26,360
Speaker 17: you're spending somewhere between thirty thousand per round to fifty

2961
02:34:26,400 --> 02:34:30,200
Speaker 17: to sixty thousand per round. And you know, despite and

2962
02:34:30,240 --> 02:34:33,960
Speaker 17: fertility being a medical diagnosis and IBF being the best

2963
02:34:33,959 --> 02:34:37,000
Speaker 17: medical treatment for that, A twenty eighteen analysis of the

2964
02:34:37,040 --> 02:34:39,760
Speaker 17: IBF insurance market by Mercer found that seventy four percent

2965
02:34:39,800 --> 02:34:43,080
Speaker 17: of Americans do not have insurance coverage for IBF, and

2966
02:34:43,320 --> 02:34:46,520
Speaker 17: you know, just from speaking with friends, even if they do,

2967
02:34:47,160 --> 02:34:51,199
Speaker 17: it's still outrageously expensive. So we're looking at a cost

2968
02:34:51,400 --> 02:34:55,720
Speaker 17: of about somewhere between depending on insurance or without insurance.

2969
02:34:55,720 --> 02:34:58,600
Speaker 17: And that's not even including the medical costs. That's not

2970
02:34:58,640 --> 02:35:01,560
Speaker 17: including the downtime cost of not working. That's not including

2971
02:35:01,800 --> 02:35:05,120
Speaker 17: if you're just doing egg retrieval and the cost of storage.

2972
02:35:05,480 --> 02:35:09,840
Speaker 17: But these expenses are outrageous and it's been a heated

2973
02:35:09,840 --> 02:35:12,360
Speaker 17: topic for many folks in the far right. And just

2974
02:35:12,920 --> 02:35:16,200
Speaker 17: for an example, I would like to play a clip

2975
02:35:16,240 --> 02:35:22,560
Speaker 17: from Charlie Kirk talking to to Sorry Sorry in advance

2976
02:35:23,080 --> 02:35:27,240
Speaker 17: two Girl Twins that you know. I actually when this

2977
02:35:27,320 --> 02:35:30,480
Speaker 17: when this video originally dropped, it was a discussion with

2978
02:35:30,520 --> 02:35:31,840
Speaker 17: a bunch of my friends, So I kind of think

2979
02:35:31,840 --> 02:35:35,960
Speaker 17: it's worth sharing just to see, like how heated of

2980
02:35:35,959 --> 02:35:37,680
Speaker 17: a topic it is. Because I want to talk about

2981
02:35:37,720 --> 02:35:41,000
Speaker 17: how Donald Trump has addressed it and how that changed.

2982
02:35:41,360 --> 02:35:44,680
Speaker 17: So here is an interaction between two girls that were

2983
02:35:45,000 --> 02:35:48,160
Speaker 17: IVF babies talking to Charlie Kirk about IVF, and I

2984
02:35:48,160 --> 02:35:51,680
Speaker 17: think it's just really interesting to hear that extreme thinking

2985
02:35:51,720 --> 02:35:53,279
Speaker 17: from that side. Hi, Charlie.

2986
02:35:55,560 --> 02:35:57,360
Speaker 18: Hi, So my name is Paige and this is my

2987
02:35:57,440 --> 02:35:59,400
Speaker 18: twin sister ivs wows.

2988
02:36:00,440 --> 02:36:02,920
Speaker 19: We have two older sisters that are also IVF. Okay,

2989
02:36:03,120 --> 02:36:06,720
Speaker 19: so this is about IVF of course, so I'm particularly

2990
02:36:06,920 --> 02:36:09,200
Speaker 19: neutral on the topic. I don't want to have like

2991
02:36:09,200 --> 02:36:12,440
Speaker 19: a forced opinion because like my entire family's kind of

2992
02:36:12,720 --> 02:36:14,640
Speaker 19: become a product of IVF.

2993
02:36:14,720 --> 02:36:18,640
Speaker 20: Are you guys surah too or just IVF just if?

2994
02:36:19,360 --> 02:36:23,000
Speaker 19: But I watch your videos and so I've noticed that

2995
02:36:23,000 --> 02:36:25,200
Speaker 19: in one of your videos you do mention that you

2996
02:36:25,240 --> 02:36:27,680
Speaker 19: are okay with IVF, but you're morally against it.

2997
02:36:27,720 --> 02:36:28,200
Speaker 18: Is that true?

2998
02:36:29,040 --> 02:36:31,840
Speaker 20: Yeah, it's a little bit deeper than that. But I

2999
02:36:31,879 --> 02:36:34,960
Speaker 20: have a lot of problems with IVF albe it while

3000
02:36:35,000 --> 02:36:38,080
Speaker 20: acknowledging the fruit. I'm glad you're both alive and so

3001
02:36:38,400 --> 02:36:41,080
Speaker 20: that must be celebrated. So it's a very I'll explain

3002
02:36:41,120 --> 02:36:43,959
Speaker 20: the difficulty, but please continue, Okay.

3003
02:36:43,840 --> 02:36:46,440
Speaker 19: My like part one of my question is just as

3004
02:36:46,480 --> 02:36:49,440
Speaker 19: someone who was conceived through IVF, why should I also

3005
02:36:49,520 --> 02:36:50,680
Speaker 19: be morally against it?

3006
02:36:51,440 --> 02:36:52,240
Speaker 8: Got good question.

3007
02:36:52,280 --> 02:36:55,120
Speaker 20: Okay, So as a pro lifer, first and foremost, we

3008
02:36:55,200 --> 02:36:58,600
Speaker 20: have to have an issue with the discarded fertilized eggs

3009
02:36:58,879 --> 02:37:01,840
Speaker 20: that happen during IV That's why you guys are twins

3010
02:37:02,800 --> 02:37:07,160
Speaker 20: is because during your creation process, if I can be

3011
02:37:07,320 --> 02:37:10,800
Speaker 20: provocatively blunt with your you lost a lot of your siblings. Yes,

3012
02:37:12,120 --> 02:37:12,840
Speaker 20: am I correct, and.

3013
02:37:12,800 --> 02:37:16,680
Speaker 19: Saying so for our older sisters, they had six embryos

3014
02:37:16,760 --> 02:37:19,760
Speaker 19: in their batch. Two came out, of course, but for

3015
02:37:19,840 --> 02:37:21,600
Speaker 19: us there were three and then two came out.

3016
02:37:21,800 --> 02:37:24,400
Speaker 20: Yeah, And so that's my first problem is that it

3017
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Speaker 20: definitionally is saying like we're going to discard life to

3018
02:37:27,440 --> 02:37:29,640
Speaker 20: get to life. I have a problem with that.

3019
02:37:30,160 --> 02:37:31,080
Speaker 4: So I do.

3020
02:37:31,080 --> 02:37:34,520
Speaker 18: Agree, but in a certain way. Oh sorry, So in

3021
02:37:34,560 --> 02:37:37,520
Speaker 18: a certain way, those embryos, like say, they weren't going

3022
02:37:37,600 --> 02:37:40,280
Speaker 18: to become anyways, but at least we were trying because

3023
02:37:40,280 --> 02:37:41,800
Speaker 18: they were going to be raised in a house where

3024
02:37:42,000 --> 02:37:44,000
Speaker 18: we are pro life and we really wanted to be

3025
02:37:44,040 --> 02:37:46,800
Speaker 18: able to have kids and cherish that. But by taking

3026
02:37:46,800 --> 02:37:49,360
Speaker 18: that loss, they were able to have at least us

3027
02:37:49,440 --> 02:37:50,879
Speaker 18: out of the three at least they.

3028
02:37:50,800 --> 02:37:51,640
Speaker 1: Could have the one.

3029
02:37:52,000 --> 02:37:54,640
Speaker 18: So it's kind of I don't know where I'm going

3030
02:37:54,680 --> 02:37:54,959
Speaker 18: with that.

3031
02:37:55,040 --> 02:37:57,840
Speaker 20: I understand what you're saying. So there's a pro life

3032
02:37:57,920 --> 02:38:03,440
Speaker 20: way to do IVA, which is only implant the eggs

3033
02:38:03,440 --> 02:38:06,039
Speaker 20: of which the children that you actually want to raise.

3034
02:38:06,879 --> 02:38:09,000
Speaker 20: And so by the way, you have a lower likelihood

3035
02:38:09,000 --> 02:38:11,960
Speaker 20: of working because in your case it would be maybe

3036
02:38:11,959 --> 02:38:14,760
Speaker 20: two or three. For example. The way that the IVF

3037
02:38:14,800 --> 02:38:17,560
Speaker 20: doctor will sell it is like, look, here's six embryos.

3038
02:38:18,000 --> 02:38:19,959
Speaker 20: You'll be lucky if one or two implant to the

3039
02:38:20,040 --> 02:38:23,360
Speaker 20: uterine wall. Let's see what happens. Now in certain cases,

3040
02:38:23,360 --> 02:38:27,120
Speaker 20: four implant to the uterine wall and you get quadruplets, right,

3041
02:38:27,200 --> 02:38:28,040
Speaker 20: which is what happens.

3042
02:38:28,959 --> 02:38:30,680
Speaker 1: I find that to be a little bit.

3043
02:38:32,160 --> 02:38:34,440
Speaker 20: Creepy, to be honest, that a doctor can kind of

3044
02:38:34,959 --> 02:38:36,920
Speaker 20: call shots on what life is going to live and

3045
02:38:36,959 --> 02:38:37,360
Speaker 20: not live.

3046
02:38:38,040 --> 02:38:40,039
Speaker 17: I think you're a little bit creepy.

3047
02:38:39,840 --> 02:38:43,080
Speaker 3: Try this guy understand what it is, like, I guess,

3048
02:38:43,160 --> 02:38:47,920
Speaker 3: like ideologically obviously, no, but like what how does he

3049
02:38:48,000 --> 02:38:48,320
Speaker 3: think that?

3050
02:38:50,640 --> 02:38:54,000
Speaker 17: Yeah, so that that was like an extreme side of things. Yeah,

3051
02:38:54,080 --> 02:38:59,800
Speaker 17: that opinion of you're killing your siblings and you know that,

3052
02:38:59,800 --> 02:39:02,080
Speaker 17: that sort of thing. I just find it the beginning

3053
02:39:02,120 --> 02:39:03,680
Speaker 17: of that video. I talked about it with a lot

3054
02:39:03,680 --> 02:39:05,360
Speaker 17: of my friends when I first came out. I just

3055
02:39:05,360 --> 02:39:08,200
Speaker 17: thought it was so interesting that where he's like, well,

3056
02:39:08,200 --> 02:39:14,280
Speaker 17: I'm glad you're alive, but you're immoral? Is such a

3057
02:39:13,959 --> 02:39:21,360
Speaker 17: such an unhinged stance. Meanwhile, during the Trump campaign, sorry

3058
02:39:21,879 --> 02:39:23,840
Speaker 17: in advance, Donald Trump's voice.

3059
02:39:25,560 --> 02:39:28,320
Speaker 4: Trump back to back. I could hazard pay.

3060
02:39:28,440 --> 02:39:32,400
Speaker 8: After listening to it for like two hours last night of.

3061
02:39:32,320 --> 02:39:36,039
Speaker 17: The Yeah, yeah, Trump deeply pivoted We're going back to

3062
02:39:36,160 --> 02:39:38,680
Speaker 17: like about a month before the election in twenty twenty four.

3063
02:39:38,959 --> 02:39:43,400
Speaker 17: But he deeply pivoted on IVF after the BioMA Supreme

3064
02:39:43,440 --> 02:39:46,320
Speaker 17: Court issued a ruling that effectively halted IVF treatment in

3065
02:39:46,320 --> 02:39:50,400
Speaker 17: the state by declaring that frozen embryos are legally considered

3066
02:39:50,440 --> 02:39:54,760
Speaker 17: to be children. This decision led to a temporary shot

3067
02:39:54,760 --> 02:39:57,840
Speaker 17: down of IVF services at major clinics due to liability risks.

3068
02:39:58,560 --> 02:40:03,160
Speaker 17: This is you know, from on Hopkins Public Health website. Yeah,

3069
02:40:03,200 --> 02:40:07,400
Speaker 17: and so that started a big discussion and split lots

3070
02:40:07,400 --> 02:40:10,000
Speaker 17: of different people on different political sides about the topic.

3071
02:40:11,200 --> 02:40:14,240
Speaker 17: But yeah, Trump pivoted an IVF and this is what

3072
02:40:14,280 --> 02:40:20,760
Speaker 17: he had to say, Oh, I want to talk about IVF.

3073
02:40:20,959 --> 02:40:22,880
Speaker 21: I'm the father of IVF, so I want to hear

3074
02:40:22,920 --> 02:40:23,400
Speaker 21: this question.

3075
02:40:23,920 --> 02:40:25,360
Speaker 8: What the fuck?

3076
02:40:25,800 --> 02:40:29,320
Speaker 17: Yeah. Also during the campaign trail, in an interview with

3077
02:40:29,440 --> 02:40:31,680
Speaker 17: NBC News, this is the most important clip of it,

3078
02:40:31,680 --> 02:40:34,200
Speaker 17: he said the following, Well, as you.

3079
02:40:34,200 --> 02:40:36,879
Speaker 22: Know, I was always for IVF right from the beginning,

3080
02:40:36,959 --> 02:40:39,280
Speaker 22: as soon as we heard about it. It's fertilization and

3081
02:40:39,280 --> 02:40:41,280
Speaker 22: it's helping women and men and families.

3082
02:40:42,000 --> 02:40:45,280
Speaker 7: But it's helping women able to have a baby.

3083
02:40:45,959 --> 02:40:49,320
Speaker 22: Some have great difficulty, and a lot of them have

3084
02:40:49,360 --> 02:40:51,440
Speaker 22: been very happy with the results, as you know, and

3085
02:40:51,480 --> 02:40:53,720
Speaker 22: what we're doing, and we're doing this because we just

3086
02:40:53,760 --> 02:40:55,119
Speaker 22: think it's great and we.

3087
02:40:55,080 --> 02:40:58,200
Speaker 7: Need great children, beautiful children in our country.

3088
02:40:58,240 --> 02:41:01,600
Speaker 22: We actually need them and are going to be under

3089
02:41:01,600 --> 02:41:04,760
Speaker 22: the Trump administration, we are going to be paying for

3090
02:41:04,800 --> 02:41:05,400
Speaker 22: that treatment.

3091
02:41:05,800 --> 02:41:07,879
Speaker 7: So we are paying for that treatment.

3092
02:41:07,800 --> 02:41:09,800
Speaker 4: Or we're going to want it or for.

3093
02:41:09,560 --> 02:41:12,480
Speaker 7: All Americans that get it, all Americans that need it.

3094
02:41:12,520 --> 02:41:14,600
Speaker 22: So we're going to be paying for that treatment, or

3095
02:41:14,640 --> 02:41:17,320
Speaker 22: we're going to be mandating that the insurance company pays.

3096
02:41:17,400 --> 02:41:19,640
Speaker 4: So either either the government will pay for it or

3097
02:41:19,680 --> 02:41:20,520
Speaker 4: the insurance companies.

3098
02:41:21,440 --> 02:41:24,880
Speaker 17: Yes, that did not happen. He campaigned on that and

3099
02:41:25,200 --> 02:41:27,840
Speaker 17: just giving that false hope to people struggling with infertility

3100
02:41:27,840 --> 02:41:31,080
Speaker 17: who can't afford the Like I said, thirty to sixty

3101
02:41:31,120 --> 02:41:34,960
Speaker 17: to God knows how much thousands of dollars is pretty sick.

3102
02:41:35,240 --> 02:41:37,680
Speaker 8: It's particularly weird when I understand this is this thing

3103
02:41:37,680 --> 02:41:39,600
Speaker 8: that Lick his party is not united on. But like

3104
02:41:39,640 --> 02:41:43,240
Speaker 8: they've gone after not having to pay for other reproductive

3105
02:41:43,240 --> 02:41:48,520
Speaker 8: health care right and like specifically I'm talking mostly about

3106
02:41:48,520 --> 02:41:52,520
Speaker 8: abortions here, right, Like that insurers or employers would not

3107
02:41:52,640 --> 02:41:55,160
Speaker 8: have to pay for it. That that's a demand that

3108
02:41:55,200 --> 02:41:58,039
Speaker 8: you constantly hear on the right. Like, I guess this

3109
02:41:58,160 --> 02:42:00,920
Speaker 8: is such a strange issue for them, because I guess

3110
02:42:00,959 --> 02:42:03,039
Speaker 8: it's one of the few areas where there's still like

3111
02:42:03,440 --> 02:42:07,039
Speaker 8: some division where they haven't all just like fallen into

3112
02:42:07,160 --> 02:42:07,760
Speaker 8: line on it.

3113
02:42:08,400 --> 02:42:10,879
Speaker 17: Right, And right after he was elected, it was in

3114
02:42:10,920 --> 02:42:13,160
Speaker 17: the middle of February twenty twenty five, you put on

3115
02:42:13,200 --> 02:42:15,840
Speaker 17: an executive order that said, end quote to support American

3116
02:42:15,879 --> 02:42:19,640
Speaker 17: families is the policy of my administration to ensure reliable

3117
02:42:19,680 --> 02:42:24,040
Speaker 17: access to the IVF treatment, including by easy unnecessary statutory

3118
02:42:24,080 --> 02:42:28,000
Speaker 17: or regulatory burdens, to make IVF treatment drastically more affordable. Okay,

3119
02:42:28,000 --> 02:42:32,240
Speaker 17: so he's already gone back on the promise from money campaigned,

3120
02:42:32,680 --> 02:42:35,240
Speaker 17: but that didn't stop him from doing this.

3121
02:42:35,760 --> 02:42:39,840
Speaker 22: We're gonna have tremendous, tremendous goodies in the bag for

3122
02:42:39,959 --> 02:42:43,280
Speaker 22: women to hold women between the fertilization where all of

3123
02:42:43,320 --> 02:42:44,840
Speaker 22: the other things that we're talking about.

3124
02:42:44,879 --> 02:42:46,560
Speaker 6: It's going to be it's going to be grace.

3125
02:42:47,280 --> 02:42:48,760
Speaker 7: We're joined today.

3126
02:42:49,240 --> 02:42:50,800
Speaker 4: Horrible word, fertilizer.

3127
02:42:55,080 --> 02:42:57,280
Speaker 7: I'm I'm still very proud of it.

3128
02:42:57,360 --> 02:42:57,840
Speaker 14: I don't care.

3129
02:42:59,400 --> 02:43:01,520
Speaker 7: I'll be known as the fertilization President.

3130
02:43:01,600 --> 02:43:03,880
Speaker 4: That that's that's not bad.

3131
02:43:05,360 --> 02:43:06,080
Speaker 7: That's not good.

3132
02:43:06,240 --> 02:43:10,039
Speaker 4: I've I've been called I've been called much worse.

3133
02:43:11,600 --> 02:43:17,240
Speaker 8: Wow, yeah, you have, that's it. Yeah, I didn't expect

3134
02:43:17,280 --> 02:43:18,200
Speaker 8: that one today.

3135
02:43:18,520 --> 02:43:19,599
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

3136
02:43:20,200 --> 02:43:23,840
Speaker 17: It's so insane. And then back in last October, they

3137
02:43:23,879 --> 02:43:26,440
Speaker 17: put out like one of their like White House fact sheets,

3138
02:43:26,920 --> 02:43:29,800
Speaker 17: you know, fact sheet. President J. Trump announces action to

3139
02:43:29,920 --> 02:43:34,039
Speaker 17: lower costs and expand access to in vitro fertilization IVF

3140
02:43:34,080 --> 02:43:37,199
Speaker 17: and high quality fertility care and for the American Siety

3141
02:43:37,200 --> 02:43:39,959
Speaker 17: for Reproductive Medicine. You can read this on the White

3142
02:43:40,000 --> 02:43:42,520
Speaker 17: House website, but this summary pretty much covers it. It's

3143
02:43:42,520 --> 02:43:45,560
Speaker 17: that the Trump administration's ivfinition contains two king components. The

3144
02:43:45,600 --> 02:43:49,320
Speaker 17: first is a drug pricing agreement with far supertical company

3145
02:43:49,760 --> 02:43:53,240
Speaker 17: EMD Serrano provides discounts on the list prices of select

3146
02:43:53,240 --> 02:43:56,320
Speaker 17: IVF medications. These medications will be offered at a lower

3147
02:43:56,320 --> 02:44:00,200
Speaker 17: cost to eligible users through a government operated portal well

3148
02:44:00,240 --> 02:44:04,640
Speaker 17: trump rx doc gov and preliminary federal estimates from the

3149
02:44:04,680 --> 02:44:08,280
Speaker 17: Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services suggest potential savings of

3150
02:44:08,360 --> 02:44:11,440
Speaker 17: up to twenty two hundred dollars per treatment cycle for

3151
02:44:11,560 --> 02:44:15,920
Speaker 17: medications alone. So trump rx dot gov launched this month

3152
02:44:15,920 --> 02:44:18,320
Speaker 17: in February twenty twenty six. It's a government hosted website

3153
02:44:18,360 --> 02:44:21,280
Speaker 17: that serves as a facilitator and points Americans to drug

3154
02:44:21,280 --> 02:44:24,640
Speaker 17: makers direct to consumer websites where they can make purchases.

3155
02:44:24,720 --> 02:44:28,320
Speaker 17: It also provides coupons to use it pharm disease and

3156
02:44:28,480 --> 02:44:32,080
Speaker 17: it seems basically like a government version of good rx

3157
02:44:32,240 --> 02:44:35,199
Speaker 17: and is very similar to Mark Cuban's Cost plus Drugs,

3158
02:44:35,200 --> 02:44:39,000
Speaker 17: which has a lot of the same medications with similar discounts,

3159
02:44:39,160 --> 02:44:44,240
Speaker 17: including the same kind of medications for fertility and per ASMR. Again,

3160
02:44:44,280 --> 02:44:47,000
Speaker 17: this move alone does not make IVF attainable for most patients.

3161
02:44:47,040 --> 02:44:49,520
Speaker 17: Fertility drugs represent only one portion of the overall cost

3162
02:44:49,600 --> 02:44:52,800
Speaker 17: of care, and patients without good insurance coverage continue to

3163
02:44:52,840 --> 02:44:57,200
Speaker 17: face significant out of poet expensive Trump has repeatedly promised

3164
02:44:57,240 --> 02:45:01,000
Speaker 17: to make IVF University successful. This announcement does not fulfill

3165
02:45:01,120 --> 02:45:05,080
Speaker 17: that promise. Meaningful progress requires policies censure all Americans who

3166
02:45:05,120 --> 02:45:08,280
Speaker 17: need medical assistance to build their families and access that care.

3167
02:45:08,640 --> 02:45:10,840
Speaker 4: Also, by the way, you can't use your insurance with

3168
02:45:11,160 --> 02:45:14,560
Speaker 4: Trump or X, So yeah, it's an either all.

3169
02:45:14,920 --> 02:45:20,000
Speaker 17: It's great to note he specifically brought this up in

3170
02:45:20,160 --> 02:45:22,160
Speaker 17: last night's State of the Union during one of his

3171
02:45:22,879 --> 02:45:25,039
Speaker 17: what I call it propo. I think back to like

3172
02:45:25,080 --> 02:45:28,760
Speaker 17: the Hunger Kise, what I call a propo, which is

3173
02:45:28,800 --> 02:45:30,880
Speaker 17: when they like bring people out. I like dates back

3174
02:45:30,920 --> 02:45:33,200
Speaker 17: to like Reagan and when they bring people out to

3175
02:45:33,280 --> 02:45:35,760
Speaker 17: be like and this person here. But it just was

3176
02:45:35,840 --> 02:45:39,840
Speaker 17: such a bizarre thing to bring up. And you know,

3177
02:45:40,320 --> 02:45:43,279
Speaker 17: Trump's State of the Union was the longest.

3178
02:45:42,879 --> 02:45:46,879
Speaker 8: Of all time, Yeah, I think, sir, and he spent.

3179
02:45:46,720 --> 02:45:50,039
Speaker 17: A total of five minutes on healthcare alone, and this

3180
02:45:50,240 --> 02:45:50,800
Speaker 17: was part of it.

3181
02:45:51,959 --> 02:45:54,600
Speaker 21: And here tonight is the very first customer ever to

3182
02:45:54,680 --> 02:45:58,800
Speaker 21: get that big discount, and it is big. Katherine Raider

3183
02:45:59,520 --> 02:46:03,519
Speaker 21: for five year She and her husband have struggled with infertility,

3184
02:46:04,080 --> 02:46:08,600
Speaker 21: and they turned to IVF. One drug has been costing

3185
02:46:08,680 --> 02:46:12,720
Speaker 21: Catherine four thousand dollars to purchase, but a few weeks

3186
02:46:12,720 --> 02:46:16,800
Speaker 21: ago she logged onto the Trump rx website and got

3187
02:46:16,800 --> 02:46:19,640
Speaker 21: that same drug that costs four thousand dollars, got it

3188
02:46:19,680 --> 02:46:23,240
Speaker 21: for under five hundred dollars, a reduction of much more

3189
02:46:23,360 --> 02:46:27,879
Speaker 21: actually than three thousand, five hundred dollars. Catherine, We are

3190
02:46:27,920 --> 02:46:31,000
Speaker 21: all praying for you, and you're going to be a

3191
02:46:31,040 --> 02:46:33,560
Speaker 21: great mom.

3192
02:46:33,840 --> 02:46:36,800
Speaker 8: Really creepy, yea, imagine having the president talking about how

3193
02:46:36,800 --> 02:46:38,720
Speaker 8: you've been boning, Like, like, what a.

3194
02:46:38,800 --> 02:46:40,560
Speaker 4: Fucking how you're having trouble.

3195
02:46:41,280 --> 02:46:43,320
Speaker 8: That's a difficult thing for a lot of people to talk, Like,

3196
02:46:43,320 --> 02:46:45,640
Speaker 8: I've had friends who've gone through IVF as well. Yeah,

3197
02:46:45,800 --> 02:46:48,760
Speaker 8: thing that happens when your ear thirties, But like, it's

3198
02:46:48,800 --> 02:46:50,480
Speaker 8: a hard thing for people to talk about, let alone

3199
02:46:50,480 --> 02:46:52,480
Speaker 8: to have it talked about in front of the whole

3200
02:46:52,480 --> 02:46:53,440
Speaker 8: fucking country.

3201
02:46:53,760 --> 02:46:57,320
Speaker 17: Fertility and infertility is such a personal thing, and it's

3202
02:46:57,440 --> 02:47:04,400
Speaker 17: really to use that woman pain to promote your drug

3203
02:47:04,920 --> 02:47:08,840
Speaker 17: discount website. It's pugg it's repugnant.

3204
02:47:09,080 --> 02:47:11,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, and she's still paying five hundred bucks a month,

3205
02:47:11,800 --> 02:47:13,400
Speaker 8: like like, that's just a lot of money.

3206
02:47:13,440 --> 02:47:17,680
Speaker 17: She's unreal one hundred percent. While that's not as bad

3207
02:47:17,720 --> 02:47:21,640
Speaker 17: as five thousand, that's so much money. And it's like,

3208
02:47:21,800 --> 02:47:24,680
Speaker 17: while any discounter fertility related drugs is good, this is

3209
02:47:24,840 --> 02:47:29,680
Speaker 17: not what was promised. I've still ridiculously unachievable for most people.

3210
02:47:29,879 --> 02:47:33,760
Speaker 17: He is not the father of IVF And this is

3211
02:47:34,360 --> 02:47:40,760
Speaker 17: fraudulent advertising, just a way of like trying to promote

3212
02:47:40,760 --> 02:47:45,240
Speaker 17: his like artificial empathy to a wider audience. And it's

3213
02:47:45,280 --> 02:47:49,800
Speaker 17: despicable and fertility issues do not need to be played

3214
02:47:49,800 --> 02:47:52,360
Speaker 17: with like that. That's what I had on that. It

3215
02:47:52,400 --> 02:47:54,360
Speaker 17: was like a very big throwaway comment, but I thought

3216
02:47:54,360 --> 02:47:57,480
Speaker 17: it was worth talking about because it's been there's been

3217
02:47:57,520 --> 02:48:00,800
Speaker 17: like a linear lead up to what that was, and

3218
02:48:01,640 --> 02:48:03,600
Speaker 17: I think it's important to talk about.

3219
02:48:03,920 --> 02:48:04,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, definitely.

3220
02:48:06,280 --> 02:48:10,040
Speaker 17: Anyways, James, you have more to talk about.

3221
02:48:10,800 --> 02:48:13,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, So, going back to Congress before the State of

3222
02:48:13,920 --> 02:48:17,360
Speaker 8: the Union, Senator bloom Othoal's office published a couple of

3223
02:48:17,400 --> 02:48:22,000
Speaker 8: documents from two anonymous whistleblowers which show changes in basic

3224
02:48:22,040 --> 02:48:27,320
Speaker 8: training for er er are enforcement removal operations. So they're

3225
02:48:27,360 --> 02:48:30,200
Speaker 8: one of the branches of ICE. You also have HSI

3226
02:48:30,480 --> 02:48:33,600
Speaker 8: and then like ICE administrative stuff made us at home

3227
02:48:33,640 --> 02:48:37,440
Speaker 8: lown security investigations. The EERO are the people who are

3228
02:48:37,440 --> 02:48:41,680
Speaker 8: supposed to go out and detain and remove people, right,

3229
02:48:42,160 --> 02:48:46,600
Speaker 8: that is what they do. The documents show quote cuts

3230
02:48:46,600 --> 02:48:50,080
Speaker 8: of more than a dozen significant practice examinations which potential

3231
02:48:50,120 --> 02:48:53,400
Speaker 8: ICE eer officer is no longer must undergo. In fact,

3232
02:48:53,520 --> 02:48:56,560
Speaker 8: the cut is sixteen out of a previous total of

3233
02:48:56,560 --> 02:48:59,520
Speaker 8: twenty five. So there are now just nine of these

3234
02:48:59,560 --> 02:49:02,760
Speaker 8: practically exams, whereas before there were twenty five. The exams

3235
02:49:02,840 --> 02:49:08,760
Speaker 8: remove include quote judgment, pistol shooting, determined removability, encounters to

3236
02:49:08,840 --> 02:49:13,000
Speaker 8: detention and detention to removal, as well as criminal encounters.

3237
02:49:13,280 --> 02:49:16,320
Speaker 8: So these are like exams that would test the knowledge

3238
02:49:16,440 --> 02:49:19,359
Speaker 8: of the potential would be ICE agent on these issues.

3239
02:49:19,440 --> 02:49:20,879
Speaker 4: Right, So you so you just don't have to know

3240
02:49:20,959 --> 02:49:21,480
Speaker 4: that any more?

3241
02:49:21,840 --> 02:49:24,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, well you can you do an open book test.

3242
02:49:24,440 --> 02:49:31,480
Speaker 8: It's open book multiple choice it is now. Yeah, in

3243
02:49:31,520 --> 02:49:33,680
Speaker 8: some cases there isn't a greaded practical exam at all.

3244
02:49:33,879 --> 02:49:35,160
Speaker 8: It's just passed fail.

3245
02:49:36,280 --> 02:49:38,759
Speaker 4: Open book multiple choice.

3246
02:49:38,879 --> 02:49:42,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, to determine your understanding of the law, right or

3247
02:49:42,959 --> 02:49:46,960
Speaker 8: becoming and testing. Yeah, I know, right, I guess it's

3248
02:49:47,040 --> 02:49:49,920
Speaker 8: a caveat all of this by saying, like the people

3249
02:49:49,959 --> 02:49:53,440
Speaker 8: who killed Alex Pretty and Rennie Good were exceptionally well trained.

3250
02:49:53,440 --> 02:49:55,879
Speaker 8: They had been trained for a long time. They had

3251
02:49:55,959 --> 02:49:59,400
Speaker 8: been in DHS for years and didn't stop the murdering

3252
02:49:59,440 --> 02:50:04,520
Speaker 8: Americans industry. I'm not saying that, I'm not Joe bidening this,

3253
02:50:04,760 --> 02:50:09,320
Speaker 8: but this is still notable. There is also the wholesale

3254
02:50:09,400 --> 02:50:12,560
Speaker 8: removal of some classes. These classes that have been removed

3255
02:50:12,560 --> 02:50:15,560
Speaker 8: include the use of force simulation training that's like a

3256
02:50:15,680 --> 02:50:17,320
Speaker 8: late they watch a video and they have like a

3257
02:50:17,400 --> 02:50:20,920
Speaker 8: laser pistol. That's how they slate use of force there. Well,

3258
02:50:20,959 --> 02:50:23,680
Speaker 8: they used to, I guess, also the training on the

3259
02:50:23,800 --> 02:50:27,120
Speaker 8: legal structure of the United States government, ERRO authority, and

3260
02:50:27,320 --> 02:50:30,080
Speaker 8: use of force. It also shows a huge reduction in

3261
02:50:30,120 --> 02:50:34,160
Speaker 8: the overall training, which we also heard from Ryan Schwank

3262
02:50:34,200 --> 02:50:35,920
Speaker 8: will get to in a minute, but he was a

3263
02:50:36,240 --> 02:50:39,960
Speaker 8: former lawyer with ICE who testified to Congress. Toddlines previously

3264
02:50:40,000 --> 02:50:43,279
Speaker 8: told Congress that the FLDC that's a federal law enforcement

3265
02:50:43,800 --> 02:50:47,920
Speaker 8: training centers in Georgia had been moving from five eight

3266
02:50:47,959 --> 02:50:51,720
Speaker 8: hour days to six twelve hour days. So although the

3267
02:50:51,840 --> 02:50:54,400
Speaker 8: number of training days for ICE agents have been cut,

3268
02:50:54,440 --> 02:50:57,440
Speaker 8: the number of training hours was the same. They was

3269
02:50:57,520 --> 02:51:00,120
Speaker 8: going to get through with their grindset, I guess, but

3270
02:51:01,240 --> 02:51:04,760
Speaker 8: the whistleblower documents show that they're still appearing to do

3271
02:51:04,800 --> 02:51:07,520
Speaker 8: eight hour days. Like the number of days have been

3272
02:51:07,560 --> 02:51:09,480
Speaker 8: cutting out, the number of hours of training in each

3273
02:51:09,520 --> 02:51:13,199
Speaker 8: day has remained the same. There are some longer days,

3274
02:51:13,280 --> 02:51:15,440
Speaker 8: but mostly those are people who have to make up

3275
02:51:15,480 --> 02:51:19,120
Speaker 8: the PT test or like some nights seem to go

3276
02:51:19,200 --> 02:51:21,800
Speaker 8: later with practical stuff like first aid and shooting, but

3277
02:51:22,480 --> 02:51:25,600
Speaker 8: the bulk of the days continued to be eight hours.

3278
02:51:26,040 --> 02:51:31,720
Speaker 8: There are now forty two total days versus seventy five before.

3279
02:51:32,200 --> 02:51:36,200
Speaker 8: Some of this was already public actually in certain forums

3280
02:51:36,200 --> 02:51:38,640
Speaker 8: and subreddits. Era Officer has been posting about like the

3281
02:51:39,840 --> 02:51:44,039
Speaker 8: faster training course for a while. The documents show a

3282
02:51:44,120 --> 02:51:47,959
Speaker 8: target of four thousand and seven new officers in fiscal

3283
02:51:48,040 --> 02:51:51,000
Speaker 8: year twenty twenty six. They would aim to have commissioned

3284
02:51:51,120 --> 02:51:53,920
Speaker 8: four thousand new ice officers by the end of September.

3285
02:51:54,520 --> 02:51:58,320
Speaker 8: We also heard from Ryan Schwank who testified to Congress,

3286
02:51:58,560 --> 02:52:00,640
Speaker 8: and they published some excerpts in this many which I'm

3287
02:52:00,680 --> 02:52:03,560
Speaker 8: just going to include here. A couple of quotations quote,

3288
02:52:03,680 --> 02:52:05,560
Speaker 8: I am duty bound to tell you that the ICE

3289
02:52:05,680 --> 02:52:10,359
Speaker 8: Basic Immigration Enforcement training program is now deficient, defective, and broken.

3290
02:52:10,600 --> 02:52:13,640
Speaker 8: And another quote here. Without reform, I will graduate thousands

3291
02:52:13,640 --> 02:52:16,320
Speaker 8: of new officers who do not know their constitutional duty

3292
02:52:16,600 --> 02:52:18,879
Speaker 8: and do not know the limits of their authority, and

3293
02:52:18,959 --> 02:52:22,880
Speaker 8: do not have the training to recognize an unlawful order. Finally,

3294
02:52:23,320 --> 02:52:26,080
Speaker 8: ICE is lying to Congress and the American people about

3295
02:52:26,080 --> 02:52:28,199
Speaker 8: the steps it is taking to ensure its ten thousand

3296
02:52:28,200 --> 02:52:31,560
Speaker 8: new officers faithfully uphold the Constitution and perform their jobs.

3297
02:52:32,240 --> 02:52:36,240
Speaker 8: Schwank was hired in twenty twenty one as a assistant

3298
02:52:36,360 --> 02:52:40,240
Speaker 8: Chief Counsel for the ICE Officer Principal Legal Advisor. He

3299
02:52:40,320 --> 02:52:42,560
Speaker 8: also serves as a resident attorney at Dilly, which is

3300
02:52:42,600 --> 02:52:45,600
Speaker 8: a detention center for families and children, and at some

3301
02:52:45,600 --> 02:52:48,320
Speaker 8: point in this past he was a private practice immigration attorney.

3302
02:52:48,600 --> 02:52:52,840
Speaker 8: What good lord, this is not like a particularly woke guy,

3303
02:52:53,160 --> 02:52:55,440
Speaker 8: I would say, and like none of this is to

3304
02:52:55,480 --> 02:52:58,080
Speaker 8: suggest that it would be okay for there to be

3305
02:52:58,400 --> 02:53:01,200
Speaker 8: thousands more ICE officers if they were better trained. Still wouldn't,

3306
02:53:01,640 --> 02:53:05,120
Speaker 8: but it does show that the state is building a

3307
02:53:05,160 --> 02:53:08,160
Speaker 8: force of people who don't know what an unlawful order

3308
02:53:08,280 --> 02:53:11,800
Speaker 8: is and what their rights are and what their obligations

3309
02:53:11,840 --> 02:53:14,240
Speaker 8: are and what the rights of the people who they

3310
02:53:14,240 --> 02:53:18,360
Speaker 8: are detaining are. And talking about the rights of people

3311
02:53:18,360 --> 02:53:20,600
Speaker 8: who are being detained, I want to talk about a

3312
02:53:20,680 --> 02:53:24,480
Speaker 8: development in the case was the unaccompanied Guatemalan children. People

3313
02:53:24,640 --> 02:53:28,960
Speaker 8: remember that over Labor Day, the Trump administration tried to

3314
02:53:29,000 --> 02:53:31,560
Speaker 8: deport these children and they tried a number of like

3315
02:53:32,120 --> 02:53:35,520
Speaker 8: credit lawyer shit like like just really like silly, like

3316
02:53:36,280 --> 02:53:38,800
Speaker 8: I don't know these legal arguments, which which was kind

3317
02:53:38,840 --> 02:53:41,320
Speaker 8: of superious to get away with it, and they were

3318
02:53:41,360 --> 02:53:43,840
Speaker 8: prevented by a restraining order, right if you remember the

3319
02:53:43,920 --> 02:53:48,400
Speaker 8: judge Sparkle Supernannan who was the first judge who issued

3320
02:53:48,400 --> 02:53:50,440
Speaker 8: the restraining order. But they did so in the middle

3321
02:53:50,440 --> 02:53:53,040
Speaker 8: of the night over Labor Day weekend and sent one

3322
02:53:53,040 --> 02:53:56,520
Speaker 8: of their attorneys to the airport to prevent them. Christ yeah,

3323
02:53:57,040 --> 02:54:01,279
Speaker 8: truly like last minute stuff. The class for that tro

3324
02:54:02,000 --> 02:54:05,760
Speaker 8: and the injunction was quote children from Guatemala who are

3325
02:54:05,959 --> 02:54:10,119
Speaker 8: all will be in the custody of defendants. They all

3326
02:54:10,240 --> 02:54:12,840
Speaker 8: will be lead to the next part of our story.

3327
02:54:12,959 --> 02:54:13,119
Speaker 21: Right.

3328
02:54:13,160 --> 02:54:16,120
Speaker 8: A lawsuit is now alleging that CBP is flouting the

3329
02:54:16,160 --> 02:54:20,480
Speaker 8: injunction by returning children when they first enter custody before

3330
02:54:20,480 --> 02:54:23,440
Speaker 8: they're sent to the Office of Refugee Resettlement. So they

3331
02:54:23,560 --> 02:54:25,880
Speaker 8: kind of tried to previously make this argument that like

3332
02:54:26,600 --> 02:54:28,720
Speaker 8: they were with Oh, they weren't with ICE, so they

3333
02:54:28,720 --> 02:54:31,160
Speaker 8: went with DHS. There with O R. Right, So the

3334
02:54:31,160 --> 02:54:34,440
Speaker 8: Office of Refugee Resettlement is a distinct entity. So they'd

3335
02:54:34,440 --> 02:54:37,600
Speaker 8: sort of tried this like, oh, there's nothing we can

3336
02:54:37,680 --> 02:54:41,200
Speaker 8: do to stop the Office of Refugee Resettlement, and that

3337
02:54:41,240 --> 02:54:42,160
Speaker 8: had not worked.

3338
02:54:42,240 --> 02:54:42,440
Speaker 4: Right.

3339
02:54:42,800 --> 02:54:47,360
Speaker 8: The suit also alleges that quote defendants are using misinformation, coercion, threats,

3340
02:54:47,360 --> 02:54:50,080
Speaker 8: and fear to persuade children to relinquish their rights and

3341
02:54:50,160 --> 02:54:55,160
Speaker 8: sign paperwork portedly accepting a form of expedited voluntary return.

3342
02:54:56,000 --> 02:55:00,400
Speaker 8: This is common across DHS. Rightly in my reporting on Dearly,

3343
02:55:00,480 --> 02:55:03,760
Speaker 8: for instance, Primrose told me that the forms for voluntary

3344
02:55:03,760 --> 02:55:07,280
Speaker 8: repatriation are present like all day and all night in

3345
02:55:07,320 --> 02:55:09,240
Speaker 8: their room, Like any time it gets too much for you,

3346
02:55:09,240 --> 02:55:13,160
Speaker 8: anytime they're too hungry, too tired, to stressed, too scared,

3347
02:55:13,600 --> 02:55:15,800
Speaker 8: you could sign that formula on a plane and it's

3348
02:55:15,840 --> 02:55:19,280
Speaker 8: all over for You're going back to wherever you fled from.

3349
02:55:19,760 --> 02:55:21,680
Speaker 8: Including the case as a claim by an attorney at

3350
02:55:21,720 --> 02:55:25,120
Speaker 8: the National Immigrant Justice Center that unaccompanied children have been

3351
02:55:25,160 --> 02:55:28,720
Speaker 8: given a document that quote completely misstates or at least

3352
02:55:28,760 --> 02:55:32,920
Speaker 8: dramatically misrepresents the immigration laws that apply to unaccompanied immigrant children,

3353
02:55:33,480 --> 02:55:38,280
Speaker 8: and it conveys to vulnerable children threats that are quote

3354
02:55:38,520 --> 02:55:42,400
Speaker 8: in clear contravention of the entire system implemented to protect

3355
02:55:42,440 --> 02:55:46,480
Speaker 8: and promote the safety and best interest of unaccompanied immigrant children.

3356
02:55:46,800 --> 02:55:49,840
Speaker 8: This you went to the Trafficking Victims Protection re Authorization

3357
02:55:49,879 --> 02:55:52,600
Speaker 8: Act of two thousand and eight. So what this is

3358
02:55:52,640 --> 02:55:55,680
Speaker 8: suggesting is that these young people are being provided with

3359
02:55:56,200 --> 02:56:00,640
Speaker 8: essentially it's not legal advice, but it's misconstruction the rights

3360
02:56:00,640 --> 02:56:03,160
Speaker 8: that they have to be protected, right, and so that

3361
02:56:03,240 --> 02:56:07,320
Speaker 8: they are not being advised properly of the protections that

3362
02:56:07,360 --> 02:56:10,440
Speaker 8: they have under law. I'm going to keep an eye

3363
02:56:10,440 --> 02:56:13,120
Speaker 8: on this one because I think I don't love the

3364
02:56:13,120 --> 02:56:15,240
Speaker 8: phrase unaccompanied. Mine is when we talk about this, because

3365
02:56:15,240 --> 02:56:17,760
Speaker 8: these children, after and accompanied, there are people who are

3366
02:56:17,800 --> 02:56:19,760
Speaker 8: with them, who care for them on their journey here. Right,

3367
02:56:19,800 --> 02:56:22,160
Speaker 8: I've seen this firsthand. It just means that their immediate

3368
02:56:22,200 --> 02:56:25,840
Speaker 8: family are not with them. But like we saw in

3369
02:56:25,840 --> 02:56:27,200
Speaker 8: the State of the Union last night, right, when the

3370
02:56:27,240 --> 02:56:30,240
Speaker 8: Trump administration talks about migrants, it wants to talk about

3371
02:56:30,440 --> 02:56:35,040
Speaker 8: people who kill children, right, like that is the thing

3372
02:56:35,160 --> 02:56:36,960
Speaker 8: that they or hurt children that it's a thing that

3373
02:56:37,000 --> 02:56:39,600
Speaker 8: they trusted out a couple of times last night. It

3374
02:56:39,680 --> 02:56:42,040
Speaker 8: is not the migrants who are hurting children in this instance,

3375
02:56:42,160 --> 02:56:45,360
Speaker 8: it is the government. These children who came here on

3376
02:56:45,440 --> 02:56:49,360
Speaker 8: their own to be safe with very few options, right,

3377
02:56:49,440 --> 02:56:52,000
Speaker 8: and either their parents couldn't look after them, while their

3378
02:56:52,000 --> 02:56:55,959
Speaker 8: parents aren't around anymore. There is not a more sympathetic case, right,

3379
02:56:55,959 --> 02:56:58,520
Speaker 8: There's not a clearer example of people we should be

3380
02:56:58,560 --> 02:57:00,959
Speaker 8: looking after as a state or a community or a

3381
02:57:01,040 --> 02:57:04,240
Speaker 8: nation or whatever. And the fact that they're trying to

3382
02:57:04,280 --> 02:57:06,240
Speaker 8: turn these children around and boot them back to the

3383
02:57:06,320 --> 02:57:10,240
Speaker 8: dangerous situation they came from is really morally appalling. Will

3384
02:57:10,360 --> 02:57:12,000
Speaker 8: keep reporting on it because I think it is like

3385
02:57:12,320 --> 02:57:14,280
Speaker 8: a very important thing to shed more light on.

3386
02:57:14,879 --> 02:57:20,360
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's horrifying. Yeah, just on a basic moral level,

3387
02:57:20,560 --> 02:57:25,160
Speaker 3: like being the person whose job it is and the

3388
02:57:25,320 --> 02:57:28,480
Speaker 3: apparently doing this job of trying to construct fake legal

3389
02:57:28,600 --> 02:57:34,039
Speaker 3: arguments so you can fucking deport children, Like what the fuck? Yeah,

3390
02:57:34,400 --> 02:57:36,200
Speaker 3: it's just so evil.

3391
02:57:36,840 --> 02:57:40,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's horrible, like they you know, I've spent

3392
02:57:41,000 --> 02:57:42,560
Speaker 8: a lot of time with migrants to spend a lot

3393
02:57:42,560 --> 02:57:45,640
Speaker 8: of time with migrants with children. I've known plenty of

3394
02:57:45,720 --> 02:57:49,960
Speaker 8: children who are traveling without their parents, and the things

3395
02:57:50,000 --> 02:57:53,199
Speaker 8: that they go through just to get here are horrific,

3396
02:57:53,520 --> 02:57:55,880
Speaker 8: and the things that they're going away from are probably worse.

3397
02:57:55,920 --> 02:57:59,240
Speaker 8: And to think that those kids could be booted back

3398
02:57:59,240 --> 02:58:01,680
Speaker 8: to the places they fled within seventy two hours of

3399
02:58:01,760 --> 02:58:05,879
Speaker 8: arrival before they're transferred to O r R, right after months,

3400
02:58:05,879 --> 02:58:11,320
Speaker 8: potentially years, is Yeah, it's genuinely appalling to me. Like,

3401
02:58:11,440 --> 02:58:15,600
Speaker 8: few of these things shock me, but they still disgusted me.

3402
02:58:15,959 --> 02:58:18,360
Speaker 8: And I really hope that this is something that will

3403
02:58:18,400 --> 02:58:21,920
Speaker 8: continue to get coverage, not just here but elsewhere, because like,

3404
02:58:22,640 --> 02:58:27,120
Speaker 8: these are the most egregious wrongs that the immigration system does.

3405
02:58:27,560 --> 02:58:31,120
Speaker 17: Yeah, let's to take a quick break and the meal

3406
02:58:31,160 --> 02:58:34,800
Speaker 17: will be back with some terror park.

3407
02:58:45,600 --> 02:58:46,080
Speaker 8: Oh what's that?

3408
02:58:47,000 --> 02:58:47,200
Speaker 9: Oh?

3409
02:58:47,320 --> 02:58:47,560
Speaker 4: Is it?

3410
02:58:47,600 --> 02:58:50,959
Speaker 8: Is it? The dulcet tones of someone who isn't Joe's

3411
02:58:51,000 --> 02:58:53,160
Speaker 8: Dramma singing the worst clash song.

3412
02:58:58,120 --> 02:59:08,039
Speaker 22: Z spot Sorry, Rocky jazz bo Rocky jazz.

3413
02:59:07,800 --> 02:59:11,600
Speaker 17: Bo, I love how consistent you are?

3414
02:59:11,600 --> 02:59:13,840
Speaker 4: Relent Chance is the worst clash song.

3415
02:59:13,959 --> 02:59:17,119
Speaker 8: It really pass me off. Like people they think, oh,

3416
02:59:17,160 --> 02:59:19,240
Speaker 8: the clash and then they go No the song that

3417
02:59:19,240 --> 02:59:22,600
Speaker 8: they played while they were fucking bombing Iraq in nineteen

3418
02:59:22,680 --> 02:59:24,640
Speaker 8: ninety one that made Joyce Drama cry and what she

3419
02:59:24,640 --> 02:59:29,080
Speaker 8: hadn't written it? Yeah, uphold listen to other clash songs please.

3420
02:59:28,920 --> 02:59:36,000
Speaker 4: Oh God, speaking of clashes. Wow, we have finally learned

3421
02:59:36,520 --> 02:59:40,760
Speaker 4: the results of the log awaited Supreme Court case about

3422
02:59:41,400 --> 02:59:45,400
Speaker 4: specifically the tariffs that were implemented through the International Emergency

3423
02:59:45,480 --> 02:59:46,800
Speaker 4: Economic Powers Act.

3424
02:59:47,440 --> 02:59:51,560
Speaker 3: Those have been struck down. So this is the retaliatory tariffs,

3425
02:59:51,600 --> 02:59:55,360
Speaker 3: this is the Liberation Day stuff, the ones on Canada

3426
02:59:55,360 --> 03:00:00,760
Speaker 3: and Mexico. Some of the tariffs are still in a fact.

3427
03:00:00,800 --> 03:00:02,680
Speaker 3: We will get to that in a second, like, for example,

3428
03:00:02,680 --> 03:00:05,200
Speaker 3: the illudinum and steel ones, et cetera, et cetera, are

3429
03:00:05,200 --> 03:00:09,120
Speaker 3: still in effect. I'm gonna be doing a full episode

3430
03:00:09,120 --> 03:00:12,760
Speaker 3: about this case and about what's going on with tariff

3431
03:00:12,760 --> 03:00:18,039
Speaker 3: policy now, because it's very convoluted and weird. But what's

3432
03:00:18,040 --> 03:00:20,840
Speaker 3: important for our purposes here is that in a lot

3433
03:00:20,840 --> 03:00:25,039
Speaker 3: of ways, this is a very narrow ruling in that

3434
03:00:25,120 --> 03:00:31,160
Speaker 3: it is just specifically about this one act IEPA, and

3435
03:00:31,320 --> 03:00:35,640
Speaker 3: what it specifically, very narrowly says is that IEEPA does

3436
03:00:35,720 --> 03:00:38,920
Speaker 3: not give Trump the authority to do teriffs. What it

3437
03:00:39,200 --> 03:00:43,600
Speaker 3: doesn't say anything about is his ability to use other acts.

3438
03:00:43,640 --> 03:00:45,720
Speaker 3: And we're gonna talk about that in a second. Okay

3439
03:00:45,800 --> 03:00:48,600
Speaker 3: to do tariffs, And it also doesn't say anything. And

3440
03:00:48,640 --> 03:00:51,520
Speaker 3: I think this is actually very important about the completely

3441
03:00:51,600 --> 03:00:55,680
Speaker 3: unhinged state of emergencies that he's been declaring in order

3442
03:00:55,720 --> 03:00:56,400
Speaker 3: to be able.

3443
03:00:56,200 --> 03:00:58,000
Speaker 4: To use IEPA.

3444
03:00:58,800 --> 03:01:02,560
Speaker 3: And that's also good to be very important in a

3445
03:01:02,600 --> 03:01:06,720
Speaker 3: little bit because because there's no ruling on that, he's

3446
03:01:06,760 --> 03:01:09,959
Speaker 3: probably going to be able to do some of this

3447
03:01:10,000 --> 03:01:13,560
Speaker 3: stuff with other tariffs. So basically, immediately after this ruling,

3448
03:01:13,600 --> 03:01:18,560
Speaker 3: Trump imposed a ten percent tariff across the board, using

3449
03:01:18,640 --> 03:01:21,000
Speaker 3: Section one twenty two of the Trade Act in nineteen

3450
03:01:21,040 --> 03:01:24,120
Speaker 3: seventy four, he says, so he implements it at ten percent,

3451
03:01:24,200 --> 03:01:25,640
Speaker 3: and then the next day he says it's going to

3452
03:01:25,640 --> 03:01:28,480
Speaker 3: be fifteen percent. The current rate as of data of

3453
03:01:28,560 --> 03:01:31,560
Speaker 3: recording on Wednesday, the one that's actually being assessed at

3454
03:01:31,560 --> 03:01:34,200
Speaker 3: customs is ten percent. Because he hasn't signed an executive

3455
03:01:34,280 --> 03:01:37,040
Speaker 3: order to actually lift the fifteen percent. It's all very weird,

3456
03:01:37,520 --> 03:01:42,120
Speaker 3: it's all very sort of extremely chaotic. So right now

3457
03:01:42,240 --> 03:01:45,880
Speaker 3: the fifteen percent hasn't gone through. But I want to

3458
03:01:45,920 --> 03:01:49,560
Speaker 3: talk about this Section one twenty two thing that he's

3459
03:01:49,640 --> 03:01:55,720
Speaker 3: using right now, because this is a significantly less broad

3460
03:01:55,920 --> 03:02:00,800
Speaker 3: authority than the authority he was claiming before. Okay, first off,

3461
03:02:00,800 --> 03:02:03,000
Speaker 3: it's worth noting that Section one twenty two has literally

3462
03:02:03,040 --> 03:02:07,320
Speaker 3: never been used to enforce tariffs before for reasons we'll

3463
03:02:07,320 --> 03:02:09,600
Speaker 3: get into in a second. Because it's very weird, and

3464
03:02:09,640 --> 03:02:12,000
Speaker 3: it's also going to be very, very difficult to do

3465
03:02:12,120 --> 03:02:15,480
Speaker 3: the kind of Calvin Ball tariff policy Trump wasn't implementing,

3466
03:02:15,520 --> 03:02:17,800
Speaker 3: where he just sort of says a thing and a

3467
03:02:17,840 --> 03:02:21,600
Speaker 3: tariff appears. So the thing about one twenty two is

3468
03:02:21,640 --> 03:02:24,199
Speaker 3: that instead of the thing that Trump was doing before,

3469
03:02:24,600 --> 03:02:27,800
Speaker 3: where he was just tweeting out a tariff rate for

3470
03:02:27,879 --> 03:02:30,560
Speaker 3: an individual country because he was mad at them, section

3471
03:02:30,640 --> 03:02:33,200
Speaker 3: one twenty two it only allows you to set a

3472
03:02:33,240 --> 03:02:35,960
Speaker 3: flat tariff rate for every country in the world, and

3473
03:02:36,080 --> 03:02:39,800
Speaker 3: the maximum tariff rate is capped at fifteen percent. The

3474
03:02:39,840 --> 03:02:41,920
Speaker 3: other thing that's notable about this is that Section one

3475
03:02:41,959 --> 03:02:46,600
Speaker 3: twenty two tariffs also need to be approved by Congress

3476
03:02:46,600 --> 03:02:49,240
Speaker 3: after one hundred and fifty days, at least in theory.

3477
03:02:50,080 --> 03:02:54,240
Speaker 3: The Cato Institute interestingly is arguing that Trump theoretically could

3478
03:02:54,360 --> 03:02:56,400
Speaker 3: just extend it for another one hundred and fifty days

3479
03:02:56,400 --> 03:02:59,440
Speaker 3: after the first one. But this, this would be a

3480
03:02:59,560 --> 03:03:01,960
Speaker 3: huge mesa because there's no way he can win a

3481
03:03:02,040 --> 03:03:05,199
Speaker 3: terror vote in Congress. There's just absolutely no way. Now,

3482
03:03:05,560 --> 03:03:09,440
Speaker 3: the other important aspect of this that's very weird, that

3483
03:03:09,600 --> 03:03:11,480
Speaker 3: I think is going to become a very large sort

3484
03:03:11,520 --> 03:03:13,800
Speaker 3: of point of discussion in the coming weeks is that

3485
03:03:14,920 --> 03:03:18,520
Speaker 3: section one twenty two. So I've read this section. It

3486
03:03:18,640 --> 03:03:22,480
Speaker 3: says specifically, quote it can only be used to levy

3487
03:03:22,560 --> 03:03:28,240
Speaker 3: tariff's quote whenever fundamental international payment problems require special import

3488
03:03:28,280 --> 03:03:32,200
Speaker 3: measures to restrict imports one to deal with large and

3489
03:03:32,320 --> 03:03:35,400
Speaker 3: serious United States balance of payment deficits.

3490
03:03:36,040 --> 03:03:37,520
Speaker 1: Now that's vague.

3491
03:03:38,280 --> 03:03:40,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, Well but here's the thing though, here's

3492
03:03:40,920 --> 03:03:43,600
Speaker 3: the thing. So I tried to write a version of

3493
03:03:43,600 --> 03:03:45,520
Speaker 3: this where I tried to explain ballot to payments and

3494
03:03:45,600 --> 03:03:48,120
Speaker 3: what a balance payment deficit is. I'm going to do

3495
03:03:48,160 --> 03:03:52,280
Speaker 3: that in the other episode. It's too convoluted. But what's

3496
03:03:52,320 --> 03:03:54,320
Speaker 3: really important about this is that Trump has been complaining

3497
03:03:54,360 --> 03:03:56,480
Speaker 3: about trade deficits, and the state of emergency is over

3498
03:03:56,560 --> 03:03:58,560
Speaker 3: trade deficit. A trade deficit is not a balance of

3499
03:03:58,560 --> 03:04:02,440
Speaker 3: payment deficit. Balance of payments is an accounting identity that

3500
03:04:02,480 --> 03:04:05,800
Speaker 3: has to do with like it's literally like the sum

3501
03:04:05,959 --> 03:04:09,240
Speaker 3: of all exchanges between everyone in the US and everyone

3502
03:04:09,240 --> 03:04:13,120
Speaker 3: outside of the US. So you by definition can't have

3503
03:04:13,360 --> 03:04:17,240
Speaker 3: a deficit in it because it's the accounting identity attracks

3504
03:04:17,280 --> 03:04:19,240
Speaker 3: both sides, right, So if someone in the US is

3505
03:04:19,280 --> 03:04:21,840
Speaker 3: sending money to someone, it tracks both the fact that

3506
03:04:21,959 --> 03:04:24,039
Speaker 3: the used person set the money and the fact that

3507
03:04:24,080 --> 03:04:26,320
Speaker 3: the other person got the money. So you can't have

3508
03:04:26,320 --> 03:04:28,440
Speaker 3: a deficit because it's always one to one because it's

3509
03:04:28,480 --> 03:04:30,080
Speaker 3: it's tracking both, right.

3510
03:04:30,160 --> 03:04:32,720
Speaker 17: So you're saying the limit does not exist.

3511
03:04:33,000 --> 03:04:36,360
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's on hinge, And like you know, and specifically for.

3512
03:04:36,360 --> 03:04:39,680
Speaker 4: The US, it is. It is possible to get into

3513
03:04:39,720 --> 03:04:43,920
Speaker 4: trouble with balance of payments if you can't just print

3514
03:04:44,160 --> 03:04:46,920
Speaker 4: your currency, Like if your currency is on the gold standard,

3515
03:04:47,440 --> 03:04:50,640
Speaker 4: you couldn't here, you get in trouble here. Now, a

3516
03:04:50,680 --> 03:04:52,400
Speaker 4: notable thing about the United States is that we are

3517
03:04:52,400 --> 03:04:56,680
Speaker 4: not on the gold Standard, so we literally even if

3518
03:04:56,680 --> 03:04:58,840
Speaker 4: you use definitions of ballants of payment where you could

3519
03:04:58,879 --> 03:05:02,200
Speaker 4: theoretically have one of these problem, the US cannot have

3520
03:05:02,240 --> 03:05:05,920
Speaker 4: a balance of payments crisis. It cannot. It definitionally cannot

3521
03:05:06,120 --> 03:05:06,840
Speaker 4: have one of these.

3522
03:05:07,280 --> 03:05:07,480
Speaker 10: Right.

3523
03:05:07,920 --> 03:05:10,240
Speaker 3: And the thing about this, right, you're gonna hear a

3524
03:05:10,240 --> 03:05:11,840
Speaker 3: lot of people talking about how the US is a

3525
03:05:11,879 --> 03:05:14,920
Speaker 3: balance of payments crisis. If the US was having an

3526
03:05:14,959 --> 03:05:18,480
Speaker 3: actual serious balance of payments deficit right now, there would

3527
03:05:18,480 --> 03:05:19,640
Speaker 3: be riots in the streets.

3528
03:05:20,400 --> 03:05:23,480
Speaker 4: That's not an exaggeration. This is normally what happens. Normally.

3529
03:05:23,560 --> 03:05:26,480
Speaker 3: Balance of payments crises are a country owes a bunch

3530
03:05:26,520 --> 03:05:28,640
Speaker 3: of money and they straight up do not have enough

3531
03:05:28,800 --> 03:05:32,600
Speaker 3: US dollars to pay that off. And when that happens,

3532
03:05:32,680 --> 03:05:36,200
Speaker 3: things happen, like suddenly there's like five hundred person lines

3533
03:05:36,200 --> 03:05:38,480
Speaker 3: outside of every gas station because there's not enough money

3534
03:05:38,480 --> 03:05:41,800
Speaker 3: to import gas, right, like you can't import food. It's like,

3535
03:05:41,800 --> 03:05:45,040
Speaker 3: like that is what happens when there's balance of payments crises. Right,

3536
03:05:45,080 --> 03:05:47,120
Speaker 3: This is like Sri Lanka in twenty twenty four, and

3537
03:05:47,160 --> 03:05:48,680
Speaker 3: like that's the kind of thing where you get a

3538
03:05:48,680 --> 03:05:50,880
Speaker 3: balance of payments crisis and people burn down the presidential

3539
03:05:50,920 --> 03:05:52,240
Speaker 3: mansion like we don't have one.

3540
03:05:52,520 --> 03:05:55,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is not happening. So there's already becoming an.

3541
03:05:55,720 --> 03:05:57,720
Speaker 3: Attempt to be like, oh, the US is a balance

3542
03:05:57,760 --> 03:06:01,120
Speaker 3: of payments deficit, there's a crisis. No, no, no, no, no, no nonsense, gibberish.

3543
03:06:01,120 --> 03:06:04,400
Speaker 3: You're gonna hear this a lot. It's complete nonsense, and

3544
03:06:04,800 --> 03:06:06,360
Speaker 3: it's it's one of the things that makes me look

3545
03:06:06,360 --> 03:06:08,160
Speaker 3: at this and go, Okay, this is the immediate one

3546
03:06:08,160 --> 03:06:09,920
Speaker 3: that he picks. But like, this is not gonna survive

3547
03:06:09,959 --> 03:06:12,920
Speaker 3: in court because the specific line here where it says

3548
03:06:13,240 --> 03:06:16,880
Speaker 3: fundamental international payment problems, like we don't have fundamental international

3549
03:06:16,920 --> 03:06:19,640
Speaker 3: payment problems, like we paid all of this gets paid

3550
03:06:19,720 --> 03:06:20,160
Speaker 3: every year.

3551
03:06:20,840 --> 03:06:21,760
Speaker 4: It's it's funny.

3552
03:06:21,840 --> 03:06:24,760
Speaker 3: In the executive order it says the US sometimes has

3553
03:06:24,879 --> 03:06:27,480
Speaker 3: international payment problems, and no, it doesn't. It has never

3554
03:06:27,520 --> 03:06:31,879
Speaker 3: had international payment problems like on any kind of real scale.

3555
03:06:32,280 --> 03:06:34,680
Speaker 3: The closest thing you can do is look back at

3556
03:06:34,680 --> 03:06:37,280
Speaker 3: periods when the US was again on the gold standards,

3557
03:06:37,360 --> 03:06:40,720
Speaker 3: and even then we were fined like it's it's it's

3558
03:06:40,720 --> 03:06:43,440
Speaker 3: complete gibberish. I'm pissed about this. I'm annoyed that I

3559
03:06:43,480 --> 03:06:48,320
Speaker 3: have to go back to balance of payment stuff. But

3560
03:06:48,360 --> 03:06:50,440
Speaker 3: this so this is probably not going to hold up

3561
03:06:50,440 --> 03:06:54,840
Speaker 3: when the inevitable next lawsuit goes under. However, Comma, there

3562
03:06:54,920 --> 03:06:57,959
Speaker 3: are a couple of other trade authorities that he can

3563
03:06:58,120 --> 03:07:01,039
Speaker 3: use that they've been talking about using and some of

3564
03:07:01,040 --> 03:07:03,520
Speaker 3: them have been used already. So broadly, we've been talking

3565
03:07:03,520 --> 03:07:05,360
Speaker 3: about like two kinds of tariffs on this show. We've

3566
03:07:05,360 --> 03:07:07,680
Speaker 3: been talking about the tariffs that are on a specific country,

3567
03:07:07,680 --> 03:07:10,480
Speaker 3: and those are the ones that are basically gone. We'll

3568
03:07:10,480 --> 03:07:12,360
Speaker 3: get to the one exception to that in a second.

3569
03:07:12,879 --> 03:07:14,960
Speaker 3: And then there's been the ones that are on goods.

3570
03:07:15,080 --> 03:07:16,560
Speaker 3: So if you remember, like though, there was a there

3571
03:07:16,560 --> 03:07:21,640
Speaker 3: was a tariff recently on like vanity cabinets stuff.

3572
03:07:21,320 --> 03:07:24,039
Speaker 8: Like yeah, yeah, I do remember that one. Yeah, really

3573
03:07:24,320 --> 03:07:25,320
Speaker 8: weird niche thing.

3574
03:07:25,640 --> 03:07:28,240
Speaker 4: Oh jampitions. Wait wait, wait till I talk about what

3575
03:07:28,280 --> 03:07:31,000
Speaker 4: the legal authority of tariffs on kitchen cabinets was.

3576
03:07:33,200 --> 03:07:36,199
Speaker 8: There's a special constitutional exemption for those.

3577
03:07:36,640 --> 03:07:37,400
Speaker 4: It's so bad.

3578
03:07:37,920 --> 03:07:40,440
Speaker 3: Okay, So so this this is this is the section

3579
03:07:40,840 --> 03:07:44,200
Speaker 3: two thirty two of the Trade Act next seventy four.

3580
03:07:44,200 --> 03:07:46,840
Speaker 3: These are these specific tariffs and these ones are supposed

3581
03:07:46,840 --> 03:07:50,760
Speaker 3: to be tariffs on goods in response to threats to

3582
03:07:50,879 --> 03:07:51,840
Speaker 3: national security.

3583
03:07:52,280 --> 03:07:55,200
Speaker 8: So it's yeah, hang on, join the DUTs for me.

3584
03:07:55,800 --> 03:08:03,080
Speaker 4: The price of I pointed cabinets are too low threat

3585
03:08:03,120 --> 03:08:04,279
Speaker 4: to national security.

3586
03:08:05,520 --> 03:08:07,720
Speaker 3: It's funny because okay, this is the one that legal

3587
03:08:07,720 --> 03:08:13,000
Speaker 3: experts think actually can potentially survive challenges because it's national security.

3588
03:08:13,000 --> 03:08:15,800
Speaker 3: But it's like, okay, like I get our Supreme Court.

3589
03:08:15,840 --> 03:08:17,600
Speaker 3: The fact that this ruling was six to three is

3590
03:08:17,640 --> 03:08:21,000
Speaker 3: frankly ridiculous, given that again, Trump was pretending he had

3591
03:08:21,080 --> 03:08:23,800
Speaker 3: legal authority to issue tariffs in a bill that literally

3592
03:08:23,840 --> 03:08:25,720
Speaker 3: never says the word tariff. It had never been used

3593
03:08:25,720 --> 03:08:28,240
Speaker 3: to raise a tariff before. Okay, So like Supreme Court

3594
03:08:28,320 --> 03:08:30,720
Speaker 3: was like, okay, well that's nonsense. And even I, who

3595
03:08:30,800 --> 03:08:33,240
Speaker 3: was extremely cynical about the Supreme Court, do not think

3596
03:08:33,240 --> 03:08:36,360
Speaker 3: that you can compellingly argue in front of a court,

3597
03:08:36,440 --> 03:08:38,160
Speaker 3: and this probably won't even go to the Supreme Court,

3598
03:08:38,400 --> 03:08:41,160
Speaker 3: like that you can compellingly argue that is, it is

3599
03:08:41,200 --> 03:08:43,360
Speaker 3: part of the national security interest of the United States

3600
03:08:43,640 --> 03:08:49,720
Speaker 3: that American cabinet makers mildly out compete foreign cabinet Yeah.

3601
03:08:51,000 --> 03:08:54,360
Speaker 8: Wow, yeah, that's a weird one. I mean, yeah, national

3602
03:08:54,440 --> 03:08:58,400
Speaker 8: security and like terrorism, the magic Woods when it comes

3603
03:08:58,440 --> 03:08:59,280
Speaker 8: to the Constitution.

3604
03:09:00,320 --> 03:09:05,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, but in this case, okay, like really seriously, with

3605
03:09:05,280 --> 03:09:09,640
Speaker 3: a stream it's gonna walk up there and go national security, right.

3606
03:09:12,240 --> 03:09:16,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, they've done some wild stuff in the court. Yeah yeah, yeah,

3607
03:09:16,840 --> 03:09:19,120
Speaker 8: it was interesting to what like you say, you were

3608
03:09:19,160 --> 03:09:21,440
Speaker 8: saying like how much they'll get past the court. It

3609
03:09:21,560 --> 03:09:23,880
Speaker 8: was interesting to watch the Supreme Court justices in the

3610
03:09:23,879 --> 03:09:28,000
Speaker 8: State of the Union just like, oh yeah, just grimacing

3611
03:09:28,080 --> 03:09:31,080
Speaker 8: through it. Yep, yep, he was so.

3612
03:09:31,000 --> 03:09:31,480
Speaker 4: Mad at them.

3613
03:09:31,480 --> 03:09:34,920
Speaker 17: They're usually pretty stoic, but there was a serious grimace

3614
03:09:35,000 --> 03:09:36,720
Speaker 17: action going yeah.

3615
03:09:37,080 --> 03:09:41,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, and there was no attempt to hide that particular face, right.

3616
03:09:41,680 --> 03:09:42,280
Speaker 9: Yeah.

3617
03:09:42,360 --> 03:09:45,440
Speaker 17: I don't know if we've ever had a sitting president

3618
03:09:45,560 --> 03:09:48,640
Speaker 17: like school the Supreme Court in a State of the

3619
03:09:48,720 --> 03:09:49,680
Speaker 17: Union in that way.

3620
03:09:49,959 --> 03:09:53,720
Speaker 4: I think maybe it is possible AFTR did it.

3621
03:09:54,400 --> 03:09:56,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was gonna say, I can see the.

3622
03:09:56,080 --> 03:09:59,560
Speaker 3: FTR did try to pack the court at Yeah.

3623
03:09:59,640 --> 03:10:01,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was at least funnier.

3624
03:10:02,959 --> 03:10:04,320
Speaker 8: Or at least back in the day when they used

3625
03:10:04,320 --> 03:10:07,760
Speaker 8: to like fight on the floor of contrast like something

3626
03:10:07,800 --> 03:10:08,200
Speaker 8: back then.

3627
03:10:09,000 --> 03:10:10,359
Speaker 17: Those are the days.

3628
03:10:10,760 --> 03:10:13,800
Speaker 3: So there's there's one more trade thing I think we're

3629
03:10:13,840 --> 03:10:17,200
Speaker 3: talking about here in terms in terms of of where

3630
03:10:17,240 --> 03:10:19,520
Speaker 3: more terif aulready can come from, and that's section three

3631
03:10:19,600 --> 03:10:23,039
Speaker 3: oh one of that same TERR Effact. And this is

3632
03:10:23,080 --> 03:10:27,000
Speaker 3: the one where so a lot of the tariffs on

3633
03:10:27,120 --> 03:10:30,160
Speaker 3: China are actually still in effect because a lot of

3634
03:10:30,160 --> 03:10:32,680
Speaker 3: those tariffs are actually from the first Trump administration and

3635
03:10:32,720 --> 03:10:38,160
Speaker 3: then Biden continued them because it's yeah.

3636
03:10:37,560 --> 03:10:42,039
Speaker 4: They hate China. I quite seriously do not have a better.

3637
03:10:43,360 --> 03:10:43,400
Speaker 15: That.

3638
03:10:43,680 --> 03:10:47,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but section three oh one is specifically for quote

3639
03:10:47,840 --> 03:10:49,280
Speaker 3: unfair trade practices.

3640
03:10:49,879 --> 03:10:54,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, like unfair. It's such a strange word to

3641
03:10:54,879 --> 03:10:57,880
Speaker 8: use in legislation, right, like what what do we what

3642
03:10:57,920 --> 03:10:59,040
Speaker 8: do we mean by that?

3643
03:10:59,120 --> 03:11:02,360
Speaker 3: Well, so like in the original context, it was like

3644
03:11:02,480 --> 03:11:06,040
Speaker 3: supposed to be an anti protectionist thing, okay, but it's

3645
03:11:06,040 --> 03:11:07,959
Speaker 3: also like, yeah, people are like, oh my god, it's

3646
03:11:08,040 --> 03:11:10,800
Speaker 3: unfair of that, Like the Chinese companies get money from

3647
03:11:10,840 --> 03:11:13,720
Speaker 3: the governments, and I'm like, all of you get fucking

3648
03:11:13,800 --> 03:11:15,040
Speaker 3: money from the government all the time.

3649
03:11:15,040 --> 03:11:17,760
Speaker 8: What are you talkt like yeah, and like they're talking

3650
03:11:17,760 --> 03:11:20,640
Speaker 8: about it like it's unfair that the wages are lower

3651
03:11:20,640 --> 03:11:21,840
Speaker 8: in certain countries, you know.

3652
03:11:22,040 --> 03:11:23,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's just like do you look at this,

3653
03:11:23,520 --> 03:11:27,640
Speaker 3: And it's like, Okay, the US, the entire US agriculture industry,

3654
03:11:27,920 --> 03:11:30,400
Speaker 3: like all of the corn grown in this country is

3655
03:11:30,480 --> 03:11:33,000
Speaker 3: grown because they pass an ag bill every single year

3656
03:11:33,480 --> 03:11:36,280
Speaker 3: that does subsidies that are literally illegal for like any

3657
03:11:36,320 --> 03:11:38,960
Speaker 3: other country to have because I specifically got agreements carved

3658
03:11:38,959 --> 03:11:42,480
Speaker 3: out of the free trade statutes. Yeah, it's it's absolutely ridiculous.

3659
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Speaker 3: But you know, this is the one that he's been

3660
03:11:44,480 --> 03:11:47,440
Speaker 3: able to sort of use so far. So I think

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03:11:47,480 --> 03:11:48,640
Speaker 3: this is going to be the one that's going to

3662
03:11:48,680 --> 03:11:50,920
Speaker 3: be leaned on once the Trump people sort of remember

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03:11:50,920 --> 03:11:54,280
Speaker 3: they have it. But the problem with using three oh

3664
03:11:54,640 --> 03:11:57,920
Speaker 3: one is that there's actual bureaucrat accepts you have to do,

3665
03:11:58,040 --> 03:12:00,720
Speaker 3: like you have to like convene a bunch of trade authorities,

3666
03:12:01,400 --> 03:12:05,600
Speaker 3: and you have to have like a specific anti competitive practice. Okay,

3667
03:12:06,000 --> 03:12:08,200
Speaker 3: So this is also I think going to be very

3668
03:12:08,240 --> 03:12:12,800
Speaker 3: vulnerable to legal challenges, except probably on China, because you

3669
03:12:12,879 --> 03:12:16,039
Speaker 3: actually have to go through and designate what the legal

3670
03:12:16,080 --> 03:12:18,600
Speaker 3: practices are, and I mean usually the process six months,

3671
03:12:19,040 --> 03:12:24,320
Speaker 3: even when you're moving quickly. So there's also I guess

3672
03:12:24,520 --> 03:12:28,359
Speaker 3: what I would call the sort of like the secret

3673
03:12:28,440 --> 03:12:32,560
Speaker 3: dark mode option where they just start doing the nightmare

3674
03:12:32,600 --> 03:12:33,080
Speaker 3: or stuff.

3675
03:12:33,560 --> 03:12:35,160
Speaker 4: This is something that I think it was hazlit.

3676
03:12:35,440 --> 03:12:39,320
Speaker 3: One of Trump's officials talked about this last year is

3677
03:12:39,360 --> 03:12:43,840
Speaker 3: potentially using the Smooth Harley Tariff Act.

3678
03:12:43,720 --> 03:12:46,119
Speaker 8: Like the nineteen thirties as like.

3679
03:12:46,240 --> 03:12:48,320
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, yeah, the one the one that is very

3680
03:12:48,360 --> 03:12:50,160
Speaker 3: famous for exacerbating the Great Depression.

3681
03:12:50,240 --> 03:12:52,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, then what I lend about in high school.

3682
03:12:53,720 --> 03:12:54,039
Speaker 4: Yep.

3683
03:12:56,640 --> 03:12:58,560
Speaker 3: It's also the other thing about this, right is this

3684
03:12:58,680 --> 03:13:03,560
Speaker 3: Act is not on the books anymore. Okay, because also okay,

3685
03:13:03,560 --> 03:13:05,200
Speaker 3: so I've seen a conflicting explanation to this.

3686
03:13:05,240 --> 03:13:06,160
Speaker 4: Some people are just confused.

3687
03:13:06,240 --> 03:13:08,640
Speaker 3: I think the explanation of it that I've seen is

3688
03:13:08,680 --> 03:13:10,800
Speaker 3: that it was superseded by sections of the nineteen seventy

3689
03:13:10,800 --> 03:13:11,480
Speaker 3: four Trade Act.

3690
03:13:11,760 --> 03:13:14,039
Speaker 4: Okay, So it's not even clear if this is in effect.

3691
03:13:14,800 --> 03:13:17,320
Speaker 3: But this is in theory, like the sort of like

3692
03:13:17,480 --> 03:13:20,199
Speaker 3: dark maga, like we're reaching into the bag and pulling

3693
03:13:20,200 --> 03:13:23,160
Speaker 3: trade authority out of something button they could reach for.

3694
03:13:24,480 --> 03:13:26,880
Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, we'd take done before with like title forty

3695
03:13:26,920 --> 03:13:29,840
Speaker 8: two and stuff. Right yeah, the title thirty two is

3696
03:13:29,879 --> 03:13:33,360
Speaker 8: to stop people with tuberculosis, like back in the day.

3697
03:13:33,400 --> 03:13:35,480
Speaker 8: That was the idea behind it, and they pulled it

3698
03:13:35,480 --> 03:13:38,240
Speaker 8: out in twenty twenty, right and then Biden just like this,

3699
03:13:38,360 --> 03:13:40,560
Speaker 8: Harris kept it for much longer than trap.

3700
03:13:40,680 --> 03:13:41,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

3701
03:13:41,200 --> 03:13:43,000
Speaker 3: But I think I think this is and this is

3702
03:13:43,000 --> 03:13:45,760
Speaker 3: I think actually a very significant moment for the Supreme Court.

3703
03:13:45,920 --> 03:13:48,920
Speaker 3: And I think sexul Bank independence will eventually become this

3704
03:13:49,000 --> 03:13:50,880
Speaker 3: if and when this gets this gets to the courts.

3705
03:13:51,160 --> 03:13:51,280
Speaker 11: Yea.

3706
03:13:51,560 --> 03:13:54,960
Speaker 3: But tariffs are sort of the the red line for

3707
03:13:55,400 --> 03:13:57,720
Speaker 3: a couple of the Supreme Court justices who normally sided

3708
03:13:57,760 --> 03:14:02,040
Speaker 3: with Trump, just specifically because A. I mean, it just

3709
03:14:02,080 --> 03:14:05,400
Speaker 3: says in the Constitution that tariffs are specifically a thing

3710
03:14:05,480 --> 03:14:08,640
Speaker 3: that Congress does. So you can't just be like, oh,

3711
03:14:08,680 --> 03:14:10,640
Speaker 3: they gave me the power to do this unless they like.

3712
03:14:10,600 --> 03:14:11,680
Speaker 4: Explicitly said it.

3713
03:14:11,720 --> 03:14:14,360
Speaker 3: But then b it's it's this is this is the

3714
03:14:14,360 --> 03:14:17,039
Speaker 3: financial redline, right like, this is this this is the

3715
03:14:17,040 --> 03:14:18,959
Speaker 3: point at which you're fucking with the money. So this

3716
03:14:19,040 --> 03:14:21,240
Speaker 3: is the point where the Supreme Court was like, you know,

3717
03:14:21,320 --> 03:14:24,960
Speaker 3: we've we've let you just make up laws in a

3718
03:14:25,000 --> 03:14:27,080
Speaker 3: whole bunch of other cases, but this is this is

3719
03:14:27,120 --> 03:14:29,080
Speaker 3: the actual limit of it when it comes to authority

3720
03:14:29,120 --> 03:14:33,560
Speaker 3: that really significantly like destroys the American economy.

3721
03:14:33,760 --> 03:14:37,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, like the economy has more rights send people do.

3722
03:14:37,360 --> 03:14:37,600
Speaker 10: Yeah.

3723
03:14:37,640 --> 03:14:40,720
Speaker 3: Absolutely, this is the way that it's always been. I

3724
03:14:40,720 --> 03:14:42,959
Speaker 3: also want to mention one closing thing on the terriffs

3725
03:14:42,959 --> 03:14:45,800
Speaker 3: is that the Supreme Court didn't answer the question of

3726
03:14:45,879 --> 03:14:47,880
Speaker 3: if people are going to get their money back and

3727
03:14:47,879 --> 03:14:50,640
Speaker 3: how the refunds are going to work. Sure didn't, Nope,

3728
03:14:51,440 --> 03:14:53,000
Speaker 3: And I think it's because they couln't get agreement on

3729
03:14:53,040 --> 03:14:55,640
Speaker 3: it because this ruling is kind of a mess in

3730
03:14:55,680 --> 03:14:59,560
Speaker 3: that it's like this like weird fractured coalition of justices

3731
03:14:59,800 --> 03:15:02,320
Speaker 3: or like parts of them agree on part of it,

3732
03:15:02,360 --> 03:15:05,000
Speaker 3: and there's like parts of the opinion that are agreed

3733
03:15:05,040 --> 03:15:07,080
Speaker 3: by to by a plurality of the corp and not

3734
03:15:07,120 --> 03:15:10,680
Speaker 3: a majority. It's it's very weird. But yeah, they have

3735
03:15:10,720 --> 03:15:12,960
Speaker 3: no idea how this is gonna work. There's already lawsuits

3736
03:15:13,000 --> 03:15:14,640
Speaker 3: going on to get the money back that have been

3737
03:15:14,800 --> 03:15:19,080
Speaker 3: in place already, so presumably some kind of redispensations going

3738
03:15:19,120 --> 03:15:21,800
Speaker 3: to happen. It's going to be unbelievably chaotic, Okay, but

3739
03:15:21,920 --> 03:15:26,359
Speaker 3: we will we will keep you updated on how American

3740
03:15:26,400 --> 03:15:27,440
Speaker 3: trade negotiations go.

3741
03:15:27,920 --> 03:15:34,640
Speaker 17: Yeah, okay, we reported the news. Yeah, put a trans

3742
03:15:34,640 --> 03:15:35,720
Speaker 17: girl on your couch.

3743
03:15:36,000 --> 03:15:39,800
Speaker 3: Oh actually, okay, I have one also really bleak update

3744
03:15:40,200 --> 03:15:42,120
Speaker 3: on put a Transgirl on your couch, which is we

3745
03:15:42,200 --> 03:15:45,760
Speaker 3: actually got numbers, well they're technically not the first numbers

3746
03:15:45,800 --> 03:15:48,920
Speaker 3: we've gotten, but we got actual good numbers on the

3747
03:15:49,000 --> 03:15:52,160
Speaker 3: number of trans people who've moved, we've like fled their state,

3748
03:15:52,959 --> 03:15:55,800
Speaker 3: like just from mid twenty twenty four to mid twenty

3749
03:15:55,840 --> 03:15:59,160
Speaker 3: twenty five. The statistics suggests that it's it's ten percent

3750
03:15:59,200 --> 03:16:01,480
Speaker 3: of all trans people, which is four hundred thousand people.

3751
03:16:02,040 --> 03:16:04,959
Speaker 3: I think that's likely an undercount, and that's just the

3752
03:16:05,000 --> 03:16:08,720
Speaker 3: first half of twenty twenty five. Yeah, that is a

3753
03:16:08,840 --> 03:16:12,080
Speaker 3: humanitarian crisis, Like this is an internal migration crisis, right,

3754
03:16:12,120 --> 03:16:14,279
Speaker 3: the view that these are internally these have become internally

3755
03:16:14,320 --> 03:16:20,280
Speaker 3: displaced people. Yes, and yeah it's hideous and the least

3756
03:16:20,480 --> 03:16:23,760
Speaker 3: that we can do at this moment is putting trans

3757
03:16:23,760 --> 03:16:27,480
Speaker 3: people in your couch because the violence of there fleeting

3758
03:16:27,560 --> 03:16:28,320
Speaker 3: is intensifying.

3759
03:16:28,400 --> 03:16:32,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, a lot of people actually reached out to our email.

3760
03:16:32,120 --> 03:16:35,080
Speaker 8: Our email is cool Zone Tips and proton dot me.

3761
03:16:35,879 --> 03:16:39,039
Speaker 8: And that's mostly for things that you know that we

3762
03:16:39,080 --> 03:16:42,199
Speaker 8: should report on, not for just like general episode ideas.

3763
03:16:42,240 --> 03:16:44,840
Speaker 8: If you're trying to be be a source for so

3764
03:16:44,920 --> 03:16:47,360
Speaker 8: I have some tip of something that you become aware

3765
03:16:47,400 --> 03:16:49,960
Speaker 8: of this and being reported. It's not for like Robbie

3766
03:16:49,959 --> 03:16:51,440
Speaker 8: should do this episode on Bastards.

3767
03:16:52,200 --> 03:16:52,600
Speaker 4: It's not.

3768
03:16:52,760 --> 03:16:55,000
Speaker 8: I just want to emphasize once again that it is not.

3769
03:16:56,320 --> 03:16:59,200
Speaker 17: There is a if you want to do that, go

3770
03:16:59,240 --> 03:17:01,680
Speaker 17: to the Bastards up read it. There is a section

3771
03:17:01,760 --> 03:17:02,480
Speaker 17: for that. Thank you.

3772
03:17:03,400 --> 03:17:05,080
Speaker 8: But a lot of people had reached out to be like,

3773
03:17:05,280 --> 03:17:08,480
Speaker 8: I want to do this, but I don't know of anyone,

3774
03:17:08,600 --> 03:17:10,680
Speaker 8: and obviously I don't want to be like posting online

3775
03:17:10,720 --> 03:17:12,800
Speaker 8: like transfolks come to my house, because that seems like

3776
03:17:12,800 --> 03:17:16,040
Speaker 8: weird to behavior. So that's something we will try and

3777
03:17:16,040 --> 03:17:19,480
Speaker 8: aggress like in a more general kind of mutual aid focused. Yeah,

3778
03:17:19,920 --> 03:17:23,760
Speaker 8: series of episodes that will work on but those people,

3779
03:17:23,959 --> 03:17:26,320
Speaker 8: it is good that you are trying to do something.

3780
03:17:26,680 --> 03:17:30,440
Speaker 17: Yeah, we reported the news.

3781
03:17:31,760 --> 03:17:33,119
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3782
03:17:39,080 --> 03:17:42,280
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3783
03:17:42,320 --> 03:17:44,199
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3784
03:17:44,959 --> 03:17:47,480
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3785
03:17:47,640 --> 03:17:50,720
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3786
03:17:50,800 --> 03:17:53,360
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3787
03:17:53,360 --> 03:17:57,359
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3788
03:17:57,800 --> 03:17:59,600
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3789
03:17:59,680 --> 03:18:02,680
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