WEBVTT - Everything You Need to Know Before The Odyssey 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:05.880 Warning, today's episode may contain spoilers for a several thousand 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:12.600 year old orally transmitted story soon to be in theaters 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:17.280 as Christopher Nolans The Odyssey, but it was you know. 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:19.239 You can't spoil a story this long. 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:21.080 You probably already know the story. 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:41.600 Let's be real. Hello an Adminstration Concepcion and I'm Rosey 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:44.040 Night and welcome back to x ray Vision, the podcast 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:46.839 where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:49.240 at pop culture, comedy, for Myheart, Wor'll bring you three 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.680 episodes we play those plus news on SAP today. 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:56.120 In today's episode, we are getting you prepped for Christopher 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:59.920 Nolan's Odyssey by diving into the history of the original story, 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.880 the Falsehoods of Homer, and then we will jump into 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.200 our expectations for the movie. What we expect to see, 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.080 what we would love to see, what we don't expect 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:11.399 to see. But first let's talk about it. Christopher Nolan 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:15.319 adapting one of the greatest stories of all time, Jason 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:17.000 the Odyssey. 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:22.160 The Odyssey. Let's start with the facts. The Odyssey slated 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:25.520 for release in just over a week from our recording time. 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:31.039 Recording this on July sixth, US theatrical releases July seventeenth, 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:35.160 twenty twenty six. However, the London world premiere is tonight 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:36.600 or probably right now. 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:39.040 I think it is right now, and that makes sense 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.520 because I've seen a lucky few who I guess are 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:45.399 doing the junket are seeing it tonight in la Well, 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:46.000 all right. 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:49.960 Now, actually runtime two hours and fifty two. 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:56.120 It's a chunky, chunky, chunky I'm old, I'm old, Jason, 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:00.200 I gotta go to sleep. Give you an mission, chunky 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:01.960 chunky what man. 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:04.360 One thing that I've been thinking watching a bunch of 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:07.200 old movies and Criteria and elsewhere, is man. They used 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.720 to just like blow movies used to just blow by 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:13.160 hour and a half, two hours at most. 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:20.359 I watched an incredible five, an incredible like Croatian folk 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:21.400 horror movie the other day. 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:24.240 Guess how long it was? One hour and four minutes. 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:27.079 At Perfection, Left Terror cut Perfection. 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:29.880 It was amazing. No, two hours and fifty two minutes. 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:32.960 Christopher Nolan cobbed out. But then again, I will say 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:36.799 rad to hear me defend Christopherola's right. But you know what, 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.320 this is a story that is like so so so 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:42.040 long that to even begin to comprehend to tell it, 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:44.000 you're gonna need a kind of long time. 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:47.600 We're gonna get into the It's an epic the oral tradition. 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:51.760 This was many scholars believe this was a multi day story, 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.640 you know, like you gather around the hall or whatever, 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.440 and the bard would come in and start going, and 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:00.720 then it would be break see you tomorrow and then 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.960 come back for part two, part three, et cetera. Anyway, 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:05.200 it is rated R. 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:05.919 Oh. 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:12.160 This is Christopher Nolan's first rated R film since Insomnia. 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.560 Which was by the way, like twenty four years ago, 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:18.359 which seems insane because he's not necessarily a man. 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:22.760 You think of as like a PG. Thirteen. Yes, pal, 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:24.639 you know, but I guess, yeah, I guess. 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.560 Oppenheimer didn't have the swears or the bloods, even though 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:29.320 it had the many many deaths. 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:34.520 Yes. And Insomnia, which which itself was a adaptation of 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:39.760 I believe in Norway Danish question Dani film Dana question Mark, 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:44.200 which I enjoyed, sadly, sorry, Chris, more than more than 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:47.400 Chris's version, but still notable that Chris going back to 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:48.200 the rated R. 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:52.520 Yes, and it makes sense because this is again even 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:55.720 though a lot of the kind of odyssey Greek mythology 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:59.760 movies that we've seen were more in the family range. 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.320 The story is a very bloody and violent. We've seen 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.520 from the trailer that this is a war story. It's 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:06.840 a war movie, so not surprising. 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:09.840 And Chris has said it's because he wanted to make 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:13.640 it very violent, much more intense. He is quoted as 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.440 telling Empire, we wanted to make the most intense version 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:19.640 with the weapons of the time. They are more brutal. Okay, 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:23.840 the budget Roco swords, Yeah, I love that. Of course 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:28.159 this is going to be released in Christopher Nolans. I 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:29.920 call it Christopher Nolans Imax. 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.440 I mean you can call it that now because this 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:36.400 is the first ever full Imax feature, right that. 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:41.880 Will be soup to nuts only Imax, no no changing screens, 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:43.719 no ratio changing. 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:44.719 You are gonna watch. 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:47.120 The whole fucking thing in Imax, So you bet go 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:50.320 find the biggest Imax possible, Okay, and it's also going 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.200 to be in seven emilim It's right, they're actually doing 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:55.839 the press screening. You can choose between seven e milimeters 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:59.720 or Imax, and of course they will have additional large 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:01.840 threemium large formats like. 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:03.679 Odyssey Vision or whatever they decide. 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:07.880 I'm sure it's so it's in Imax, it's in seventy, 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:12.640 and then it's in Imax seventy, which is crazy Imax 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:21.280 ratios in seventy and the same kind of like high definition, 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:27.760 high resolution film that you're ready for, but in the 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:31.640 seventy millimeter force. So it's just like emerging of the 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:33.880 maximum formats as well. 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:38.720 You guys cannot even begin to comprehend how large a 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:44.320 reel of this film is in imaxuge and how long 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:45.120 this movie is. 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:47.080 I mean, I want to see a video of that. 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:50.600 I love when they take the projectionists take the photos 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:53.120 out of the screen, like the projectionist was doing for Sinners, 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:54.240 which was so incredible. 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:56.120 I would love to see them do something like. 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.279 This where they show us how long it takes to 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.280 like thread the reel and everything, because yeah, I have 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:03.440 to say, well, the thing that sold me on this 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.599 was Christopher Nolan talking about his love for Imax and 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:08.480 Imax cameras and how when he was a kid he 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:09.800 would go and watch Imax at. 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:11.039 The Science Museum and stuff like. 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:12.839 So he's a ad for this in the same way 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:14.880 we are, and I think that is what excites me 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.359 even more than just like the content or the tone 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:17.960 of the movie. 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.200 Really, here's a good way to think about it is, 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.560 if you ever shot a film camera, you've probably shot 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:26.320 thirty five millimeter film, which is you'd buy it whatever 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:29.960 the drug store. So seventy is double. Oh my god, 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:33.240 yeah good? Cool like that about this movie. You know, 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:38.440 it's interesting. Nolan talked about at various interviews that he 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:43.919 was originally supposed to direct Troy What the film Troy started? 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:50.000 I missed this law this was pre Batman Begins. Now. 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:56.120 The problem was that Wolfgang Peterson, oh wanted Troy bat 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.159 He had like dropped it. I forget like how the 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.800 business worked, but he had like he had like put 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:03.400 it forward, and then he had dropped it and then 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.320 he's like, no, actually now I want it now. No, 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:05.680 I was. 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.560 And the funniest thing about it was it was because 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:12.800 he was supposed he was supposed to do Batman Versus Superman, 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:14.880 and it was which I would by the way, Wolfgan 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:16.480 Pisen made never ending story. 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.360 So him doing fucking like. 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:21.360 Batman Vsus Superman sounds insane to me. 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.560 And then he wanted Troy back when that was dropped 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:27.200 and then Nolan and then he he got Troy. 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:28.400 But then what did Nolan get? 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:32.880 So beginning Troy then began Yes, so then Nolan gets 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:38.080 Batman begins as kind of a consolation prize, but it 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:42.560 began Nolan's interest. I guess you would say curiosity about 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:46.360 this period. It's very interesting because Troy is Troy is 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:50.440 the Iliad, and the Odyssey is you know, the story 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:54.240 that happens after the Iliad. The Iliad is basically about 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:58.880 the the actual Trojan War, and then the Odyssey is like, 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:02.480 this guy needs to get home after the Trojan War, 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:03.520 and a bunch of shit happens. 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.840 Dude, this matterfucker could not go home like it is 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.880 like after hours or some shit like this man can 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:11.320 just never get home. 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:13.880 This man is gone for the cigarettes. He's never coming back. 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:18.520 You know what's interesting to me about we'll talk about 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:23.560 the script and the approach next. Regarding the horse, the 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:29.360 Trojan horse, which figures prominently in the trailers, the pre 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:33.160 trailers that were dropped, and it's just so suspenseful and magnumiseny. 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:34.079 It looks amazing. 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.480 The horse is like barely in the honesty and the Iliad, 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.880 like it's and then the Iliad is the weirdest one 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:46.880 because the Iliad is like about the war and it's 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:51.720 not in there, which is a puzzling thing for scholars 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:53.000 to try and figure out why that is. 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:58.520 Yeah, and it's really interesting, I think in this specific 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:01.840 its ration where we've got someone like Nolan who is 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:05.040 an auteur, it's going to be really interesting to see 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:08.240 what he does and doesn't choose, right, because there is 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.280 so much here, and like you said, so we're obviously 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:13.480 the way it is posed in the trailer that we 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:17.360 saw and the content I saw at Cinema Con was 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:21.320 that it was essentially Telemachus being told a story by 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:24.360 sexy John Bunthall, who plays I don't know, Eggaman and 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.920 Non or something. But and it's kind of so in 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.319 that way, that's how he can kind of get around it, right, 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.360 It's going to be oral stories, storytelling, and I'm really 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:35.720 interested to see how he kind of uses that meta 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.680 level to bring in stuff that nobody of this time 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:40.920 should know, because it's going to have to pull and 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:44.760 pick from all different places well just to kind. 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:48.840 Of drill into it. Which, so here are the theories why 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.480 the horse is barely in it. Okay, the horse is 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.480 kind of mentioned in the Odyssey, but like briefly, and 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.160 it's not in the Iliad at all. Now, the Iliad 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.960 is about the start of the war and it doesn't 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.760 cover the end, So I guess that that would be 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.720 one main reason is was just not it's not part 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.640 of the content. It's how the war ended, it's not 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:13.520 how it began. And the fact that it's only like 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:16.920 briefly mentioned in the Honesty could mean that, like, it 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:20.760 was such a widely known story that you barely needed 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:22.120 to like get into it. 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:24.760 Because people we are so so I like that reading 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:27.120 the idea of the horse. 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.240 But it is interesting, right that people would yeah, and 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:30.400 just like have it in there. 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:34.000 It's also really funny because it's arguably the most famous 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:38.080 part of the law, so likely, right, That's why I 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:41.520 think Nolan had to have this kind of big focus 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:41.920 on it. 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:44.160 So, Jason, what can you tell us about? 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.600 This is a really interesting project because there is so 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:55.600 much pre production production material and so much pre release interviewing. 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:57.439 That you could kind of already have a book on it. 0:10:57.480 --> 0:10:59.600 So what do we kind of know about what Nolan 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:01.680 has all already told us about how he wrote it. 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:03.960 How he went about adapting. 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:07.640 This, you know, piece of writing that is written by 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:09.959 as far as we know, you know, so many people, 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:12.640 and it's kind of all been put together. How did 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:16.080 he go about turning that into, you know, a script 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.439 for what he's hoping will be another billion dollar movie. 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.080 I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure. He well, he apparently wrote 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:23.160 it by himself. He wrote the script by himself in 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.800 a what he describes as a nonlinear way, so I 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.760 guess jumping from scene to scene. That would mean He 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.240 has described it as very faithful to the text, which 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.600 I don't know what that means, right, how do you 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:38.839 do that? I guess maybe in the dialogue perhaps, but 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:43.640 we will see. And other than some notable changes, he 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:48.040 has mentioned that the role of Odysseus is very loyal 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:51.520 and now very old by the time this story's taking place. 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:57.319 Dog Argos has been expanded as huge part of the hotesty. 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:00.440 I know, I like, I like expanded how I'm like, 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:05.800 let's let's see, it's like they're old. I'm like, this 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:07.920 is also really funny for me because as a kid. 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:09.520 I don't know if you guys had a version of this, 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.640 but in England there were these really popular stores called Argos, 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.040 like named after this dog, and it was basically like 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:16.559 a store where you could go in and you look 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:18.400 through a catalog and then you put in a number 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:20.480 and they send you your thing. It was very fun, 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:22.800 very novel. But yeah, every time I see Argos, I 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.560 just think of like the most random, like high street store. 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:27.640 But yeah, he's a good boy, and I do wonder 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:30.720 if there was a little wink wink, nudge nudge after 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:31.719 the crypto of it all. 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:33.920 I feel like dogs are very in right now. 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.200 Dogs are very in right now. Oh yeah, so what 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:37.600 what were some more things they added? 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:42.760 They there's some more connective tissue between the relationship between 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:47.400 Odysseus and his son Telemachus, who's mainly grown up in 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:52.480 the absence of Odysseus. But listen, if there's one thing 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:56.880 that no one does in every movie, is there is 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:02.040 some sort of a parent child relationship that is the 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.840 beating heart of it. Whether that's you know, it's literally 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.760 and the mom will be dead. Yeah, it's literally crazing 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:14.439 a movie, whether it's you know, Inception, Interstellar, what have you. Yeah, exactly, 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:18.120 it makes sense that he would beef this up. Telemachus 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.640 in the you know, in the in the in the 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:29.840 poetic version, is kind of watching these many many aggressive 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:34.840 suitors to his mother, his dad's wife, whose husband is 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.520 now absent for many years, have come to live at 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:39.719 the house, and Telemachus is like, Jesus. 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:42.880 Christ, yeah, this is like get He's like, why is it? 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.680 Like my mom's just like fucking swiping ripe right on 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:49.400 all these guys, like calms out, Okay, So I'm very 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:51.720 interested in the fact that he has said that they've 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.880 kind of expanded this like a humanized and then in 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:59.480 quotes like unsettling yet sympathetic sessay, right, who's the witch? 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.160 Jason tell us a little bit about her in the 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.840 traditional version, and then I have a theory why this 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:05.520 has been dull. 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.679 Yeah, I would love to hear this. So Circe is 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:14.360 a goddess who uh you know, lives in these dense 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:18.640 woods and is you know, surrounded by these like tamed 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:25.280 animals and Odysseus's crew kind of like lands, and she 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.040 turns the crew all into pigs. But she falls in 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:33.520 love with Odysseus. Oh, and he basically has to like one. 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.080 Thousand and one nights is how manipulate yeah, he has 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:39.280 to be like, hey, you know, like manipulate her basically 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:40.920 into like getting out of town with. 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:42.200 And letting him free. 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:42.480 Yeah. 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:44.720 Yeah, yeah, he's really babe. I swear to God, I'm 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:46.200 just going to get some milk. I'll be right back. 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.240 I just need my crew to turn into humans like 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.080 that kind of thing I now tell uskay theory. 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.120 So in twenty eighteen, and I don't know if you 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:54.840 read this, Jason, but it was around It was a 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:58.080 similar time to obviously Laura Olympus. There has been this 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.600 kind of huge resurgence in Greek mythology retellings, and there 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.960 is an incredible one called Circe by Madeline Miller that 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:08.960 kind of retells the Odyssey through Circe's point of view. 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:12.280 And I think that it was like it was such 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:15.080 a huge success, and she did the Song of Achilles too, 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.000 and then you know, we've had so many other kind 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.040 of retellings of Greek mythology. 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:21.640 I think that Nolan as kind. 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:26.360 Of a student of storytelling and how storytelling kind of 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:30.360 evolves and changes. I don't doubt that he probably understood 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:34.000 that a lot of the previous versions of these stories 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:37.040 had been kind of misrepresented. I mean, I might be 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:41.200 getting my ancient law mixed up. But I think recently 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:44.680 there was like a very famous female adaptation of the 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.200 Odyssey for the first time or something right, and it 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:50.120 was like a it was like a completely different reading. 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:57.320 Emily Wilson, who is a classics professor at Penn in 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:01.440 twenty seventeen, released a trans of the Odyssey. Christopher Nolan 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:04.680 his name, checked it and said that it was part 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:08.400 of the source material that he pulled on in order 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:14.000 to create the movie. And her I talk about her 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.440 in the omnibus coming up. But if she has like 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:23.400 one kind of pioneering move, it's that she started from 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:26.360 the place of this was the Odyssey. The poem itself 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:31.480 was popular entertainment. There was nothing in there, like she 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.360 points out in many interviews, like if you take Greek 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:38.480 in college by your second year, you can read the 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:42.000 Odyssey no problem. Like the blanguage very very plain and 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:47.400 unfrilly and uses the same a set again and a 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.440 guess for the masses. And so what she did was 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:55.600 take the take the text, make it more clear and direct, 0:16:55.880 --> 0:17:00.160 and then change the rhythm. I forget what the rhythm 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:03.760 of the original. Oh yeah, Greek poem was, but she 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:08.800 then for English, she then transferred the rhythm into iambic 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:14.000 pentaminon like Shakespeare, like Shakespeare the meters Wow English know that. Okay, 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.680 I'm gonna have to read that Choices tales, Yeah, so 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:22.680 that you could really feel how it should have a rhythm. 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:25.600 To it like a storytelling, like a play, like a 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:29.960 live storytelling. And and it makes it much like you know, 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:32.359 I've read, I've read several odysses. 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:37.720 It is. It is very accessible and very enjoyable. I 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.679 don't think you lose a single thing. I'm so excited. 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:43.360 I'm definitely gonna read that because I I definitely came 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.359 up more with Like Greek mythology was a huge deal 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:48.080 in the UK when I was a kid. I think 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:51.320 that's very millennial and also museums, colonialism, all that kind 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.199 of stuff, But it was always like kids versions or 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:57.000 comic book versions. I don't think I ever sat down 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:59.520 and really and I read a lot of like kind 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.440 of cheap of licensed classics, you know, your Charles Dickens 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.359 and stuff, But I don't think I ever really sat 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:06.359 down and like read a version of the Odyssey that 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:08.760 like gripped me enough to keep reading it as a kid. 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.639 So that's very exciting, and I love that Nolan is 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:14.639 kind of he's even like quoted her, right, he's quote 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:16.080 a translation. 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.200 He's he has said in an interview quote. I think 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:20.920 it's the Emily Wilson translation that begins tell me about 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:24.480 a complicated man. The genius of the character, the cleverness, 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:26.560 the inventiveness of him. That was a huge part of 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:30.040 what interests me. Interested me. He's not just a soldier. 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:32.800 He's an amazing strategist, a very wily person. Yeah, that 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:39.560 really comes out in her translation, like and it might 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:41.280 have been that, like this is the one I read 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.280 as like a fully formed adult in the like you 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:45.119 the other ones I read when I was like a 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:48.119 younger person. But the thing that comes out, and it 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:52.600 certainly comes out in the Circe relationship, is that he's 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:57.240 a trickster. He's a liar. He's like lying all the time. 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:00.280 He's lying to his men. He's lying to Circe. He's 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:02.560 like realizes she's in love of them. He's trying to 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:07.399 like use that get what he needs. He's and and 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.640 it's you know again lying to his men all the time. Yeah, 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:12.280 we're gonna get home we're gonna get It's like. 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:15.880 That almost trauma, right, Like if she's making the argument 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:19.960 that's the soap oper element, right, always deceiving, always telling stories, 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:23.159 twists tons, It's like you need that to keep people engaged. 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:28.240 And the and the horse in this framing was like his. 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:31.560 It says a lot about him because he is this 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:38.840 kind of trickster liar, a person who's can think on 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:43.200 his feet and use his wits as much and honestly 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.160 more than hell, he can use his his spears sword. 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.879 That is actually such an incredible read, Jason, because something 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:53.879 that I only found out through are incredible show notes 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:56.920 put together by a sup producer Ian is that? So 0:19:57.000 --> 0:20:00.560 what I saw at the cinema, Colm was essentially part 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:02.760 of the opening of the movie. That's how they have 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:05.760 the horse in right. It's basically a prologue and it 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:08.880 is menilaysk and he's telling Tellimachus like and he says 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:10.480 to him, this was the part that got me excited. 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:14.640 He goes, have you heard about the horse? And Telemachus 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:18.560 nods and he goes, okay. He goes from the inside 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:20.920 and smash cut and you're inside the horse, right. 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:23.840 But I will say, as seeing that on a big screen. 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:28.439 If that is your table setting for who Odysseus is, 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:32.639 it's fucking crazy because it basically says this man is 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:35.119 a deceiver. He will put his men at risk, and 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:38.119 he will fucking slaughter one hundred people to get what 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:38.679 he wants. 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:41.560 Like it really sets him up. And I think that's quite. 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:44.879 Important for Christopher Nolan's read because, as you'll see if 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:47.480 you're on kind of you know, mythology Twitter or just 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:49.879 movie Twitter, there's a lot of reads of Odysseus that 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:53.600 he's just like stupid as fuck, and he's always getting lost, 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:56.880 he's always getting distracted, he's always getting so I kind 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:57.480 of like this. 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:01.800 Players he but he hard. Yeah, he's like a Han 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:04.040 solo kind of. You know. 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:04.960 That's a cool read. 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:09.080 I like that, is he a hero sort of? Is 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:13.359 he a villain? Sort of? Like is he a trustworthy person? 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:17.600 Sort of? But he's just a charmer. And that's kind 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:21.360 of the thing that comes through in Emily Wilson's translation. 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:23.400 Let's talk about the cast. I was gonna say, let's 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:26.439 bang for it because it's crazy. Matt Damon, Odysseus, King 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:29.400 of Ithaca. There he is, there, he is Baby Anne 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:36.600 Hathaway Penelope his you know, long pining wife who's home alone. 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:41.000 From cigarettes to come back from the show, while all 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:45.920 these like dudes from the local like Greek hinterlands are 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:47.120 just like swarming around. 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:53.520 Hi, I want to marry you. What's Yeah? Tom Holland 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:54.840 is Telemachus the Son. 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:59.520