1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the best of the week for What's Right 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: with Nick Right the best takes in moments from this 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: week on the show Enjoy. 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 2: Tua isn't exactly welcoming Tyreek back with open arms. After 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 2: Tyreek did that little thing at the end of twenty 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 2: twenty four, Terrek took some accountability and saying I need 7 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 2: to be better as a leader. I feel like you 8 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: probably should have said as a star player. But with 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: things already off to a bad start, how do you 10 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: see Miami's season going. 11 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: I want to believe in Miami a little bit. I 12 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: think that they are you know, I like the team 13 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: that used to be overvalued that now I think people 14 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: have gone too far in the other direction on I 15 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: tend to like those teams and my aunt I really 16 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: like the Jalen Ramsey, Minka Fitzpatrick trade. I think they 17 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: got better there. Tyreek I think will be better this year. 18 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: So there, and I think that that last playoff spot 19 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: in AFC should be pretty open. So there are some 20 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: reasons that I kind of was leaning. You know, maybe 21 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: maybe I'll believe in the Dolphins as a playoff team 22 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: this year, especially because speaking of the hot seats, I 23 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: think you know, Mike McDaniel, the GM, I think they 24 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: know we got to start putting some pelts on the wall, 25 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We got to get back 26 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: on the right track. This is where you might think 27 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: I'm being unfair. So to his comments yesterday were basically, yeah, 28 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: they speaking for me and for the team. He wasn't 29 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: speaking for himself. He's like, you know, Tyreek, what Tyreek 30 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: did is not something that you just say my bad 31 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: about and you know we're all good like you gotta, 32 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: you know, work on yourself. You got to earn back trust. 33 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing, but he said all this publicly to the media. 34 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: So here's where I mean the exact quote is when 35 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: you say something like that, you don't just come back 36 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: with my bad. You gotta work that relationship up. He's 37 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: working on himself. I didn't love that being a public 38 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: comment from TUA. So here's what I'll say, And demon's 39 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: that you can tell me no, that's why I thought 40 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: you were gonna say I'm being unfair, So just hear 41 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: me out on this. Okay, what Tyreek did was way 42 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: out of line. There is no excusing it. He was 43 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: a bad teammate. He was immature. It was you know, 44 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: it was bad. He's also Tyreek Kill. He's receiver, he's cut, 45 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:59,119 Speaker 1: he's he's a receiver. He's a kind of known at 46 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: times knuck ahead. He he has he he you know, 47 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: just this week he was like, you know, I talked 48 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: with my dad, and you know, I thought it was 49 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: really important that this offseason I just do football and 50 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: family stuff. Meanwhile, you know, I'm pretty sure he's in 51 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: a legitimate beef with I show speed and like about 52 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: the racing and like, so Tyreek is just a superstar 53 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: witch dude. Yeah, like a bit of a dufist, a 54 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: bit of a dufis and got a lot of stuff. Okay, 55 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: he does not excuse what he said, but we're also 56 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: I don't think you're not getting in the Tyreek Kill 57 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: business for maturity, professionalism, and leadership. You're getting in the 58 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: Tyreek Kill business because he's freaking awesome. Right. Two is 59 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: your quarterback, and Tua and Tyreek have to work for 60 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: the team to work. So I wouldn't care at all 61 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: if at the first day of training camp, Tua got 62 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: up in front of the team and was like, Tyreek, 63 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: you betrayed all of us. You have a lot of 64 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: you know, making up to do that was wrong, you know, 65 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: rd him the riot Act privately, but publicly, I think 66 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: the answer has to be either, Yeah, listen, I think 67 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: Tyreek's addressed that. Any feelings I have on that, I'm 68 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,679 Speaker 1: gonna keep between me and Tyreek and me and the team. 69 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: But you know, we know that he and I got 70 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: to get back to what we were two years ago 71 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: for this team to have a chance, and I believe 72 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: we're gonna do that. You either do that or and 73 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: Toua might not be comfortable with this because I know 74 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: he's like a deeply religious guy. You just flat lie. 75 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: Oh no, Tyreek, Tyreek, We're all good. You know, it 76 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: was emotional right after the season. Nobody cared. I think 77 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: those are your two best options rather than telling the 78 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: media no. Everyone was really bothered by that. And actually 79 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: it we're still working on it because then it continues 80 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: like I'm going to need an update on that, you 81 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And so again Tyreek put to 82 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: A in a terrible position. 83 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: And he was throughout that like it seemed like he 84 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: he seemed pretty nervous, I don't want to say nervous, 85 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: but constantly walking back stuff and like thinking super hard 86 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 2: about the stuff. He was saying, Oh, you're talking about 87 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 2: Tyreek at the end of the year. No, I'm talking 88 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 2: about two in the press. I mean I felt like 89 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 2: he was sweaty. 90 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, well, I mean he was Miami right off 91 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: practice field. But yes, I agree, I agree with you 92 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: on that regard. But I also thought Tyreek when he 93 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: gave this initial thing right after the playoff falls, didn't 94 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: exactly know what he was trying to say, and then 95 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: was like, ah, I'm out. I just think that there 96 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: is sometimes when you are the face of an organization 97 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: and you get put in bad spots by people and publicly, 98 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: you got to just present a united front. That's the 99 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: you know, that's all that I'm or you can go 100 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning about was it Mike vander jack the kicker? 101 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: So this you'll love this, de Monsey because you have 102 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: no recollection of this whatsoever. Mike Vanderjat, who's a pretty 103 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: good kicker for the Colts and the Aughts, went on 104 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: some radio show after another Colt's playoff loss and took 105 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: shots at Peyton the kicker, and then yeah, the kicker, 106 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: and then Peyton was asked about it at the Pro Bowl, 107 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: like during a sideline interview, and Peyton's like, yeah, I mean, 108 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: I really didn't expect that I was gonna get asked 109 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: about our idiot kicker getting all liquored up and popping 110 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: off at the mouth on the radio. I'll deal with 111 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: that if he's still a teammate in the future, Like 112 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: this guy's gone, this guy's gone, I'm not dealing with him. 113 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: I have no interest in him. And so that that's 114 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: the other that's the other option. The other option is 115 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: if Tua would have been like, yeah, I don't think 116 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a problem because I don't think Tyryk's 117 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: gonna be on the team. 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But but yeah, I mean he's put 172 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 2: it on, he's warned. 173 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: He says he hasn't. 174 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: He's warned. I mean that's definitely he's put the ring off. 175 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: He's saying he hasn't. 176 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 2: Why not it's not I I don't know, I mean, 177 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: maybe not wear it out, but like I mean, you know. 178 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: Of course, but like put it on once, press little 179 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: button so the stupid wings come, like I don't know, 180 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: like whatever, all right, keep going. 181 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: So he is now in a one sided debate with 182 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 2: Cam Newton. Yeah, what's what's your take on this? 183 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: While Okay, So when I say one sided, I mean 184 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: he hasn't chimed in, but ca Cam has. So this 185 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: is kind of the back and forth of it and 186 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: full disclosure again. I really like Cam. Cam was one 187 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: of my me Betting on Cam was pre What's Right Show, 188 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: betting on the Jags where I just couldn't every week 189 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: I was like, you know what line I like. I 190 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: think the Panthers are underrated or undervalued. I also think 191 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: Cam had the single greatest college season of all time, 192 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: and I think that fifteen and one year in the 193 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: pros was one of the greatest individual accomplishments any players 194 00:11:55,320 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: ever had given his supporting cast. So Cam didn't have 195 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: Jalen In's top ten quarterbacks, and then people got mad 196 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: at them and Cam, you know, it's the old It's 197 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: another version of the Charles Barkley or the bus driver 198 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: or bus rider discussion is what we're having here. And 199 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: I do find these two players like Cam Newton versus 200 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts debate fascinating just because it really reveals a 201 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 1: lot about what you value, because I don't think there 202 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: is definitively demon's a wrong answer, right. But and what 203 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: I think is interesting is I am certain to my 204 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: core that Jalen Hurts could not have gotten that Panther's 205 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: team to fifteen wins in the Super Bowl. I don't 206 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: think that's unfair. I don't think that is me taking 207 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: a shot. I don't think there's ten quarterbacks twelve quarterbacks 208 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: in NFL history that necessarily could have gotten that Panthers 209 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: team to have that season. With that said, I also 210 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: am not sure that Cam could have had this sustained 211 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: success that Jalen has had with the Eagles. And so 212 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: obviously these are all hypotheticals. 213 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 2: The similar players. I mean, I feel like Cam Newton 214 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 2: is a little bit more of a of an athletic 215 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 2: freak than Yes, then Jalen hurts. 216 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, he's just so huge and he was 217 00:13:54,720 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: faster now Jalen has. Cam didn't have a lot of 218 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: years of high level passing numbers, but neither does Jalen. 219 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: It's really interesting. I also think, I mean, again, the 220 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: year they went fifteen to one, his receivers were Ted Gin, 221 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: Jericho Contree, Devin Functius, and Corey brown An. He won 222 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: league MVP, and obviously Greg Olsen was an awesome tight end, 223 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: but that you know, it's his receiving core I I 224 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: think Cam looks at it as man put me on 225 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: that type of team and we're the greatest team ever. 226 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: And I understand that line of thinking. Again, Jalen's not 227 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: commenting on this, but if I were Jalen, I would 228 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: be like, well, I was on that team and we 229 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: were pretty good. We won the Super Bowl, in the 230 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: NFC Championship Game, like one hundred to forty. We we 231 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: won thirteen games in a row to finish the year 232 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: if you exclude the game that I got hurt, Like 233 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: what what more do you did you want from us? 234 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: From a team perspective? And so I understand, now do 235 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: I think that there has been a weird media I 236 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: don't know if over correction is the right word there. 237 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: There has been to me, a there's been some patronizing, 238 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: almost as the word I would use in the discussion 239 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: of Jalen So like I saw Orlovsky's video about Jalen Hurts. 240 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: Now Orlovsky's video, he is not calling Jalen Hurts the 241 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: best quarterback in football, to be clear, but his caption 242 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: of it. And this isn't like a newspaper where you know, 243 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: you don't write your own headlines. He's let me see 244 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: if I can find this ad the and and I'm 245 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: trying to find Sorry, I just clicked on it. And 246 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: do you guys still have my audio? Am I still good? 247 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: I just clicked on something? Okay, good? Sorry? Let me 248 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: find the exact caption, because it was he wasn't calling 249 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: him the best quarterback in football, and but the caption was, really, 250 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: don't care where you rank Hurts. He sits at one. 251 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: So if somebody was like, wait, are you saying he's 252 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: the best quarterback in football? Like that? Again, if you 253 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: watch the video, he's not saying that. But there is 254 00:16:54,920 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: to me a there has been an interesting, what's the 255 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: right word, an interesting shift in how we have talked 256 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: about quarterbacks the last decade or so when it comes 257 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: to Jalen specifically, which is usually if people think quarterback's good, 258 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: the team is amazing, then we lead with the team 259 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: as the driving force. And that's what I think Cam 260 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 1: is getting at. I think with Jalen there, and I 261 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: think understandably it's because some of his best games ever 262 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: have been these monster Super Bowl performances. There has been 263 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: a reclassification of well, maybe Jalen is way better than 264 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: his numbers suggest, and he simply is kind of suppressing 265 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: his own individual accolades for team success, which I understand 266 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: that line of thinking, but it does kind of contradict 267 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: his own teammate from the end of last year. It's like, hey, 268 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 1: we got to get better in the passing game, and 269 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: it kind of goes against what we saw when the 270 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: Eagles were unbelievable in twenty twenty two. They won the 271 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: Super Bowl in twenty twenty four, and the one dip 272 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three was a year that they really tried 273 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: to open up the passing game more. And so it 274 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: this is one of the fun things to me about 275 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: kind of sports debate is this isn't really defied, like 276 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: it's not provable, at least in the short term. And 277 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: here and now, we don't know what Jalen would look 278 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: like if he played for the twenty fifteen Panthers, and 279 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: we don't know what Cam would look like if he 280 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: had played for the twenty twenty four Eagles. I do 281 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: think that there is an element of even for a 282 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: lot of Jalen's biggest supporters. If you were just asking, 283 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: be like, hey, who's the better quarterback, Cam Newton or 284 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, I think most people are like, well, Cam Newton, 285 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: And if the question is why or what's your evidence, 286 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: I honestly think the answer is it's just better. And 287 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: sometimes like, I know that can feel like a cop out, 288 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: but it does feel real here and where I will 289 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: and I know it might sound like I don't know 290 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: I should. I don't usually go back and listen to 291 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: the pods, but I might go back and listen to 292 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: this segment because there's a possibility I'm not making a 293 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: lot of sense, but I am. 294 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 4: I uh, I find this time fascinating because it is 295 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 4: to me layered and nuanced, because, like I said, if 296 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 4: you asked me who was better Cam or Jalen, my 297 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 4: snap answer is like, obviously it's Cam. 298 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: But the with that said, if you asked me, am 299 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: I certain that Cam would be better for this Eagles team, 300 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: I don't know that I would say yes. I think 301 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: when you have a team as stacked as the current Eagles, 302 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: having a quarterback who doesn't seem that focused on his 303 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: individual accolades or success could really play in your favor. 304 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: And I think Jalen deserves a huge credit for that. 305 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: To push man, I sorry, well, I mean I think 306 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: that's probably a bad example because Cam Cam was arguably 307 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: the greatest short yardage player in NFL history. Now, when 308 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: they wouldn't do a toush push, they just did rightular 309 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: quarterback power jump over the line or quarterback sneak, you 310 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it was it was different, 311 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: But I I am really interested because one day in 312 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: Jalen's career, he's not going you know, you're not gonna 313 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 1: have Saquon Agdavonte. You're not going to have this amazing 314 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: supporting cast. And there will be a time where the 315 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: Eagles are in a position where it's like, listen, man, 316 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: our defense isn't you know what we had hoped. We 317 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: don't have this great running game. If we're gonna win, 318 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 1: we're gonna need you to do it. You know, the 319 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: old school quarterback style, drop back thirty sometimes and throw 320 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: the ball. I think there's real question, like there is 321 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 1: a real question over whether or not he can do that, 322 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: and so we This is my ultimate endpoint on this, 323 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: and I am definitely at times guilty of this, which 324 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: is why probably I'm a little circular in my reasoning here. 325 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: We give guys a ton of credit for doing more 326 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: with less, the lebron on dragging the seven Calves to 327 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: the finals. You know that type of thing like, look 328 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: at you, you had so little help, look at what 329 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: you did. We don't always do a good enough job 330 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 1: of recognizing just because you can do more with less 331 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can do the most with a ton 332 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: and Jalen has proven he can do the most with 333 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: this great situation, and not everybody can do that, and 334 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: so and this is something I'd be interested at some 335 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: point in talking to Cam about. 336 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, so the ladies of the WNBA All Star Game, 337 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 2: we're protesting with shirts that read pay us what you 338 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 2: owe us. And Kelsey Palm took a little bit of 339 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 2: a shot at Caitlin Clark after and said that zero 340 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 2: members of Team Clark were very president. It's could have 341 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 2: been an inside thing, been a dig. What did you 342 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 2: see here? 343 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: Okay, So that the Kelsey Plum thing I think was 344 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: totally misconstrued and that's not the real story. But I 345 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: want to address it because Ramona Shelburne also I thought, 346 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: did a good job addressing it this morning. So Kelsey 347 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: Plum is up on the dais with was it Sabrina 348 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: who was the other player alongside her? Yeah, okay, so 349 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: was Sabrina. Sabrina, by the way, is on Team Clark. 350 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: And they talk about the meeting that morning about wearing 351 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: the shirts, and Kelsey Plum says like, now, no members 352 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: of Team Clark were there, taking poking fun at Sabrina. 353 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: And also I think or I thought poking fun at 354 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: the fact that they had all been out partying the 355 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: night before and that team didn't get up in time. 356 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: That was my initial reaction. Ramona Shelburne then reports out 357 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: on it today. WNBA players, including Kelsey Plum, had been 358 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: discussing the pay us what You os T shirts wrote 359 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: over a week. According to multiple sources, they settled on 360 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: the idea at breakfast Saturday morning that very few players 361 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: on Team Clark attended because of the early start, but 362 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: just to make sure, sources said, Brianna Stewart and the 363 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: FISA Collier and others went by the Team Clark locker 364 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: room before the game to make sure they were on 365 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: board with the IDM plan. They were. I thought, Ramona rites, 366 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: I thought it was fairly obvious. Kelsey Plum tried to 367 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: make a joke that didn't land. The meeting where players 368 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: decided to where the shirts at eight thirty am on Saturday. 369 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: Understandable that not many from Team Clark made it after 370 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: what we saw on stud buds from the night before. Now, 371 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: I am not locked in enough on WNBA lore to 372 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: know about this stud bud stream prior to WNBA All 373 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 1: Star weekend, it seemed very popular during All Star weekend, 374 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 1: but I was. I am logical enough to know Kelsey 375 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 1: Plum was not in a moment of WNBA player unity 376 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 1: taking a shot at half of the All Stars. But 377 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: because Caitlin Clark's name was involved, people took it and 378 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: rain with it. That's not the story. The story is 379 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:05,239 Speaker 1: how many people are such utter losers. And here's what 380 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: I mean, folks, general rule of thumb blind. If workers 381 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: are trying to extract more money from owners and management, 382 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 1: general rule of thumb, you should be on the worker's side. Now. 383 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: I know some of you listening are like, well, what 384 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: about me? I own a eighteen person habit astery business 385 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: and that I'm an owner. Okay, good you, I guess 386 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: can be management. But the vast majority of us, and 387 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: I say this by the way, as a silent partner 388 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: owner of a small business. Uh you know it's very small. 389 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: It's my wife's boutique. But like I guess, I technically 390 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: have my hand in both pots. Worker and business owner. 391 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: Doesn't matter. The people that create the product create the value. 392 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: Those people trying to extract more money at the very least, 393 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: you shouldn't be rooting against them. And if you are 394 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: going to try to be like, well, actually, here's the thing. Actually, 395 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: know what the hell you're talking about. So here's the reality. 396 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: Does anybody does anybody intelligent actually think that, well, Max's 397 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: contract in the NBA. In the NBA is around fifty 398 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: million a year, so I guess max contract in the 399 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: WNBA should be about fifty million a year. No, nobody's 400 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: making that case. Nobody with a platform that matters is 401 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 1: arguing NBA and WNBA players should be paid dollar for 402 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: dollar the same, like the purses at Wimbledon can be. 403 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: But it makes sense for the purses at Wimbledon to 404 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: be the same men's and women's. They get similar TV ratings, 405 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: the tickets self for the same they are generating the 406 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: same money. The issue that the WNBA players have that 407 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: is a fair and correct issue is multifold. And again, 408 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: so many losers are just bootlicking management sellouts because they 409 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: think one day they might actually be It's the same 410 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: folks that are like, well, you know, right now, a 411 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: tax policy that helps out the lower class would help me, 412 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: but what about when I have fifty million dollars and 413 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: I want to pass that down to my kids. It's like, Buddy, 414 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: probably not getting there. You probably should worry a little 415 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: bit more of the here and the now than the 416 00:28:54,640 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: estate tax. But I digress. What people are arguing is 417 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: in the NBA demonse if it's a fifty to fifty 418 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: split of back br basketball related income. So if the 419 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: league generates ten billion dollars, the players salaries get five billion, 420 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: and that's how you pay the players. The owners get 421 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: five billion, and that's how they run the league, you 422 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean, pay all the bills that come 423 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: associated with running the league, and they hope there's money 424 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: left over. It's fifty to fifty in the NBA. Do 425 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: you have a guess what? Again? The size of that 426 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: pie doesn't change. The size of the pie can change. 427 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: Pardon me, the split does not. It's fifty to fifty 428 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: it youse Brew told me the other day. It used 429 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: to be sixty three thirty seven in the player's favor, 430 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: and the owners have kind of chipped away at it 431 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: or whatever. But it's fifty to fifty now, which feels 432 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: pretty fair. Okay, Like I'm not gonna act like owners 433 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: don't do anything. I'm not gonna act like they're unimportant. Now. 434 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: I would always again, yeah, I would always listen I'm 435 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: a union guy. I'm a union kid. I my dad 436 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: was the president of firefighters union for basically my entire life. 437 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: I you know, I am a union guy. My first 438 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: term paper I ever wrote my life was about leq 439 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: WALSSA and the Polish Solidarity movement. It's colored my politics, 440 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: It's colored who I am. It's I think when a 441 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: lot of people talk about man, you know, we see 442 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: these stupid old tweets. They're like, you know, in the seventies, 443 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: you know you people weren't able to the man worked, 444 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: the wife stayed at home, you had a car, you 445 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: had a house, you sent your kid's school. It is 446 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: like what changed? And people, because they're dopes, are like, 447 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: what changed is immigrants? When what changed is the union, 448 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: jobs and factors and stuff like that. But again, sorry 449 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: for being political this morning, but this is kind of 450 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: a political thing. So go back to you demand what 451 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: do we think? Or what is your guest? 452 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 2: The WNB? Yeah, the split players. 453 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: Owner to player, what do you think the split is as. 454 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 2: Of this moment? I think it's like seventy thirty. 455 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: How about ninety one to nine? 456 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 2: Oh wow, ninety one nine owners. 457 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: Ninety one nine owners? Now what folks, reaction is going 458 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: to be but the league loses money. But twenty two 459 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: two thirds of the league he lost money last year, 460 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: got it? Okay? So quick question on that honest question, 461 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: because the world has changed in the last two years 462 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: in the WNBA, thanks in large part to Kitlin Clark, 463 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: not solely to Kaitlin Clark, but she's the driving force 464 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: and the success of women's college basketball and the eyes 465 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: and the ratings, all of that. Guys, you think right 466 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,239 Speaker 1: now WNBA teams are worth more or less than we're 467 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: two years ago. You think that if you bought the 468 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,239 Speaker 1: WNBA team two years ago and you offered it up 469 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: for sale today that you would get more or less money. 470 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: Do you think if it's such a bad business that, 471 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: oh my god, you can't you can't claw any more 472 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: money away from Are there a bunch of w NBA 473 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: teams for sale it's like, oh my god, nobody will 474 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: buy one? Or are they expanding the league? Is it 475 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: a league where more people want to get in? Again? 476 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 2: I don't want to expanding the league? Doesn't it also 477 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 2: make it pretty pretty weird to up it right now? 478 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 2: Wouldn't it make sense? For like, once the all the 479 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 2: teams are there, because then there's gonna be some other 480 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 2: split taken away from the teams when those two teams 481 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 2: do get there, is that now or. 482 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: No I split because like in the NBA, they're gonna 483 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: get split. Right, You're bringing in more money, there's expansion 484 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: fees all that, and I don't I'm not going to 485 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: I have to be careful on what I say here, 486 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: but I actually have a little bit of insight into 487 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: what what it costs for a new WNBA team because 488 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: Kansas City is trying to get one, and I have 489 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: had very casual conversations about being a very very small 490 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: part of an investment group. And I gotta tell you. 491 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 4: It ain't cheap. 492 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: Right now, people think WNBA is on the uptick. They 493 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: think it's a growth industry, so because it is, and 494 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: so this idea that the players should just be satisfied, 495 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: and this idea that the poor WNBA owners like uh 496 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: think about the owners that are losing money, when with 497 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: most pro sports, the real profit is in the appreciation 498 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: of the team that in over years, when you eventually 499 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 1: cash out, you know what I mean, you make ten 500 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: twenty one hundred acts on what your initial investment was 501 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: that's what it is. And then there is this other 502 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: very basic logical point. Is there any other capitalistic endeavor? 503 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: So I'm not talking about social workers, I'm not talking 504 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: about kindergarten teachers, I'm not talking about fireman. The capitalistic 505 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: endeavor where someone of Caitlin Clark's quality, and I will 506 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: use her as an example because she is the most 507 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: visible player in the league, is there any other field 508 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: in the world where someone of Caitlin Clark's caliber would 509 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: make less than eighty thousand dollars a year. Think about it, 510 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: just for real, think about it. And the answer is no, 511 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:22,720 Speaker 1: there is not. So it is a little right now 512 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: out of whack. It is why Britney Griner a few 513 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: years ago was over in Russia playing ball and got 514 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: caught up. Because you can make more money overseas, which 515 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: is another point. Is there proof of concept that you 516 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: can pay women athletes more than the WNBA pays them 517 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: and still be a functional business. Yeah, because leagues across 518 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: Europe do it. So again, nobody serious is arguing that 519 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 1: the WNBA players and the NBA players should make this 520 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: same amount of money. But nobody serious can actually think 521 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: that Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese and Paige Becker's making 522 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: seventy some grand a year is a proper payment for 523 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: services rendered. And again just a rule of thumb, if 524 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: there is a labor dispute and you don't know much 525 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,280 Speaker 1: about it, I'm not saying the workers one hundred percent 526 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: of the time in every labor dispute across the border 527 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: in the right. I'm not saying that. What I am 528 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: saying is, if there is a labor dispute and you 529 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,800 Speaker 1: don't know much about the actual details and your gut 530 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: reaction is to side with ownership, you're a sucker or 531 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: are your sexist? Well, in this instance, there's a lot 532 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: of that. In this instance, there is a scheme. Yeah, 533 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: that there is. You're being more specific to the w 534 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: n B A yeah, And I mean, so, I guys, 535 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: this is where And I am not, you know, Adam 536 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,800 Speaker 1: Smith in that I am not a true market zealot. However, 537 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: there is a beauty to an actual marketplace, which is, 538 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: if it's such a bad deal for owners, why is 539 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: no one selling their teams? 540 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 2: Huh? 541 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 1: Like why? Well, by the way, you people who are 542 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 1: like concerned about the long term uh trajectory of the NBA. 543 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: If you are. You have a few like ooh, data 544 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: points of the MAVs. So the Celtic sold, the Lakers sold, 545 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: Like why did those ownership groups get out? Now, the 546 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: flip side to that is they sold for these insane 547 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: amounts of money. So maybe that's a sign in favor 548 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:22,720 Speaker 1: that it's healthy, but it is. It is just outrageous 549 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,760 Speaker 1: the amount of people that were like pipe down ladies 550 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: be happy when the truth of the matter is, in America, 551 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:37,760 Speaker 1: celebrity is super valuable and over the last couple of years, 552 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 1: the WNBA players have become celebrities, and Caitlin might have 553 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,839 Speaker 1: been the driving force, but she ain't the only celebrity. 554 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,919 Speaker 1: Hell the oh my goodness, Sophie Cunningham is a legit star. 555 00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: Angel Reese is a legit star. Page is a star. 556 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: Turns out the stud Buds crew have this huge twitch 557 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,919 Speaker 1: or stream following, so oh yeah, absolutely. I was trying 558 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 1: to mention more of like the newer players, but yeh, 559 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,759 Speaker 1: Sabrina's been but yet all those folks. Asia Wilson is 560 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 1: a legit star and she's been around for a while. Like, 561 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: obviously the money's not right