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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to Legally Brunette with Emily Simpson and

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Speaker 1: Shane Simpson. Hi, guys, welcome to our second episode of

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Speaker 1: Legally Brunette. First of all, we apologize for having such

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Speaker 1: a kind of long space in between our first episode,

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Speaker 1: which was on the Menendez brothers, and our second episode,

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Speaker 1: which we are going to delve into the Blake Lively

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Speaker 1: and Justin Baldoni case. But first of all, I think

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Speaker 1: it's really important that we do a little bit of

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Speaker 1: an update on Menendez. If you did not listen to

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Speaker 1: our first episode, I would say go back and listen

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Speaker 1: to it. It's a good episode on Menendez. But as

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Speaker 1: of right now, they still have a resentencing hearing scheduled

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Speaker 1: for January thirtieth and thirty first. However, the attorney for

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Speaker 1: the family of the Menendez family members there's twenty four

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Speaker 1: relatives who support the immediate release of Eric and Lyle.

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Speaker 1: They are represented by Brian Friedman. He claims that he

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Speaker 1: plans to petition for the Menindez case to be trans

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Speaker 1: to a California Attorney General's office. That is because there

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Speaker 1: is in his opinion, and I would agree with him,

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Speaker 1: there is a conflict of interest So there is an

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Speaker 1: attorney named Kathleen Katie who represented the one member of

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Speaker 1: the Menendez family members who was against their receencing and release.

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Speaker 1: His name is Milton. He is the brother of Kitty Menendez.

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Speaker 1: He does not think that they should be released from prison.

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Speaker 1: Kathleen Katy represented him pro bono and she has now

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Speaker 1: been named the DA's Director of the Bureau of Victim's Services.

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Speaker 1: She represented Milton who did not want them released from prison.

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Speaker 1: She represented him pro bono. She was a big supporter

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Speaker 1: of Hawkman being the new DA, So I think there's

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Speaker 1: political undertones. And she has now been named the DA's

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Speaker 1: Director of the Bureau of Victim's Services, which means she

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Speaker 1: would be heavily involved in the resentencing.

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Speaker 2: So there's going to be hearing on the conflict. Is

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Speaker 2: there going to be a determination with Well, that's.

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Speaker 1: Where we're at. I think procedurally, what will happen is

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Speaker 1: I think that January thirtieth hearing will either get continued

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Speaker 1: or taken off calendar if he files a petition. I

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Speaker 1: think he'll either file a petition to recuse her from

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Speaker 1: the case or a petition to move the venue. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: I do know that today, the new DA is meeting

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Speaker 1: with the twenty four family members who support their release.

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Speaker 2: I think the little I come across with the new DA.

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Speaker 2: Some people think that the new DA is opposed to

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Speaker 2: their release or some of the effect. But I think

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Speaker 2: it's more the DA needs to be He's new, he's

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Speaker 2: in office. He's going to be caught up on everything. Right,

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Speaker 2: He's not just going to green light it because it's

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Speaker 2: a Netflix special, right.

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Speaker 1: I agree, And I think he needed the time to

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Speaker 1: go back and he wanted to go through everything thoroughly.

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Speaker 1: I do think people speculated that he was not in

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Speaker 1: favor of their recencing release because he met with Milton already,

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Speaker 1: and Milton is the brother of Kitty, like I said earlier,

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Speaker 1: who does not want them released from prison? And I

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Speaker 1: think people interpreted that as him being pro Well, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what way to look at it? Do you want

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Speaker 2: the DA to be thorough?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Because if he or she is not thorough and then

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Speaker 2: something comes up that hinders the recensing hearing or they

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Speaker 2: are all their opportunities to be released. I mean, they

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Speaker 2: could go against them as well. So you want them

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Speaker 2: faulty hearing of some sort or I agree, and.

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Speaker 1: I think it's not an issue of him being thorough.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a good thing. I think the issue

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Speaker 1: which would be representing the family members are considered victims

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Speaker 1: of a crime, certainly, and I think people are afraid

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Speaker 1: that there's a conflict of interests there because she's been

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Speaker 1: representing Milton pro bono and then that's the side that

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Speaker 2: So anyway, we.

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Speaker 1: Will continue to follow that and give you any updates

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Speaker 1: as they Yeah, time will tell you as they come up.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into the Blake Lively Justin Baldoni case,

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Speaker 1: which by the way, is so crazy and convoluted. I

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Speaker 1: have read the entire complaint that Blake Lively's attorneys filed,

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Speaker 1: attorneys have filed on his behalf against The New York

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Speaker 1: Times as mostly there's several causes of action, but a

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, then let's keep it simple, because I don't

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Speaker 2: So what's the first in the order of events. What's

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Speaker 2: the first thing that has surfaced, whether it be a

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Speaker 1: Well, let's go just a little bit, and let's just say,

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Speaker 1: let's just start with this. All surrounds the movie It

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Speaker 1: Ends with Us, which was a book written by Colleen Hoover.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly when she wrote it, probably I

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Speaker 1: Ends with Us, Okay, it has to do a domestic violence.

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Speaker 1: It has a very strong female leader. Her name's Lily Bloom.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people connected with it. I

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Speaker 1: liked it. I thought it was a great book. I

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Speaker 1: think I read it during the whole quarantine time frame

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Speaker 1: when I was reading a lot because there wasn't anything

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Speaker 2: Well, you like a lot of Hoover's book.

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Speaker 1: I do, I do. I'm a big fan of Colleen

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Speaker 1: Hoover and actually good friends with her. I like her

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Speaker 1: very much. And just side note, Colleen does support Blake

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Speaker 1: of Blake. She didn't say anything negative about Justin, which

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Speaker 1: I appreciated, but she did support Blake anyway. When the

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Speaker 1: movie premiered over the summer, there was a lot of

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Speaker 1: speculation that there was tension on set between Justin and

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Speaker 1: Blake Lively. Blake Lively was the lead role. Justin Baldoni

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Speaker 1: owns the production company called Wayfairer, and he and a partner,

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Speaker 1: Jamie He's owned the production company. They bought the rights

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Speaker 1: to the book to make a screenplay five years ago.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this so they bought the screenplay and they

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Speaker 2: planned to produce it themselves, right, And.

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Speaker 1: He's also backed his company is backed by a third

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Speaker 1: friend who is a billionaire. His last name is Sarrowitz,

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Speaker 2: Legal Okay, so we got three people so far in

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Speaker 1: So when the movie premiered, I would say there was

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Speaker 1: a ton of press surrounding all this tension between these people.

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Speaker 1: I think she got a lot of bad press. Also,

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Speaker 1: focusing more on it being like something you like a

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Speaker 1: I mean, the heart of the movie is domestic violence,

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Speaker 1: and it's I think it's considered intimate domestic violence where

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Speaker 2: Okay, But if she's promoting in a way where it's

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Speaker 2: I think Diehard is a funny movie, but everyone else

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Speaker 2: a Christmas movie. I mean, is that wrong?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think people took it as it was disrespectful

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Speaker 1: so that's just some of the background between those two parties.

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Speaker 2: And Lively and there are a couple in the movie.

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Speaker 2: Their characters are a couple.

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Speaker 1: They're married in the movie. Okay, so on December twenty,

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Speaker 1: it's a twenty twenty four, Blake Lively files a sexual

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Speaker 1: Now this is important that she filed with the California

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Speaker 1: So she filed an eighty page legal complaint which accused

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Speaker 1: Simultaneous with the complaint being filed, The New York Times

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Speaker 1: Hollywood Smear Machine. It was published live on December twenty first,

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Speaker 2: Did that time frame? Where did that time frame come?

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Speaker 1: It came from a New York Times The author of

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Speaker 1: Imagine as an attorney or as the you know, the

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Speaker 1: as Justin Baldoni. You receive a ninety page complaint against

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Speaker 1: to have a response to it.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're supposed to absorb it all. Then you're supposed

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Speaker 2: to interview people to figure out what's going on and

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Speaker 2: then create a response.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, So I think that was a big I mean,

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Speaker 2: I believe you didn't really first filing. You said it

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Speaker 2: wasn't a civil complaint, and it certainly wasn't criminals, So

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Speaker 2: what was it?

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Speaker 1: Well, no, it was more of an administrative complaint she

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Speaker 1: filed with the California is just a.

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Speaker 2: Document kind of time stamp the complaint or was it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe so, I don't really know. All I

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Speaker 1: know is that she did end up filing basically the

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Speaker 1: same complaint in federal court in New York. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: now we've got a California Civil Rights Department complaint filed,

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Speaker 1: We've got Justin Baldoni filing a libel suit against The

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Speaker 1: New York Times, and then we've got Blake filing basically

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Speaker 2: Okay, so have the eighty page complaint that you're right,

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Speaker 2: Why it's not normal. I'm going to release a movie.

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Speaker 1: That's probably not normal. But I think he was thinking,

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Speaker 1: In Layman's terms, it's basically seventeen items that were listed

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Speaker 1: we're not admitting that we did these things.

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00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:09,239
Speaker 2: But will acknowledge your complaints and probably correct it going forward, right,

438
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: And well, that's pretty good, that's professional so far.

439
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: Right, So basically it's like, look, I don't think we

440
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 1: did all these things, but in order to move ahead

441
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: and to film the rest of this movie, and everything

442
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: you're asking is reasonable. Clearly, there shouldn't be nudity, There

443
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 1: shouldn't be poorn, there shouldn't be sexual harassment, you shouldn't

444
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: be made to feel uncomfortable. Like we correct, We okay,

445
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: we agree, and you know, they signed off on it.

446
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: Part of those seventeen terms, one of them was an

447
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: it was called an all hands and meeting where she

448
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: wanted justin the Wayfarer people people from Sony because Sony

449
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: was the one that is the movie.

450
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 2: She wanted a lot of the big wags right.

451
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: And her there also with some producers and they were

452
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 1: doing it what's called all hands and yeah, so that

453
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: was scheduled for January fourth because January fifth was when

454
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 1: they were going to pick up production again.

455
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 2: There was a little bit of pressure. So like the

456
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 2: day before, she wants a meeting, right, so they have

457
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 2: the meeting.

458
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: They have the meeting. This meeting takes place at her

459
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: penthouse with Ryan Reynolds, who is her husband present, apparently

460
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: according to.

461
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: Well, Okay, I don't know. I don't know how Hollywood

462
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: works or anything, but the husband being present, I don't

463
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 2: know that that. If the issue was with you, I

464
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: would support you one hundred percent. But I don't know

465
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 2: if i'd be the right person to be in the meeting.

466
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 2: You'd have to have a professional in there, like another lawyer,

467
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 2: someone that's kind of hired help. Well, I do as

468
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: opposed to like he's part of it.

469
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: But she had representatives from Sony, she had some other

470
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 1: producer representative that she picked. I mean, she had other

471
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: people there.

472
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not wrong that he's there, but it

473
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: just if he if he was there and said nothing,

474
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 2: which I don't know what the answer is. He was

475
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: there and he said no, that's okay because he's there

476
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: to sport his wife. But if he's there and he's

477
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: chiming in on everything. Then then it just becomes like

478
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 2: more of an emotional thing and a personal thing as

479
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 2: opposed to like a professional issue that's being resolved. Right,

480
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: so he said.

481
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: Something, Well, so this meeting takes place at their penthouse

482
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: in New York, and apparently, according to Baldoni's suit, who's

483
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: penthouse and Blake and Ryan their marriage.

484
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: It's on their home turf.

485
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: It's on their home turf and their own home. Apparently

486
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 1: there were A list stars coming in and out, is

487
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 1: what justin Baldonie's lawsuit says. So I'm like, who are

488
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: these A list stars that are just walking in and

489
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: out while this meeting is going on? But that's what

490
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: they claim. But also just to let you know, just

491
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 1: to give you a little background, supposedly Ryan Rynolds was

492
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: very involved in this film and actually rewrote a scene

493
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: and yeah, was there and involved in it. And so.

494
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: Would you like me to do that when you're filming,

495
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 2: you want me to come in there and start to

496
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: say no, this needs to be said, you need to

497
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 2: do this.

498
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes I'd like to just bow out, bring

499
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: Shane in. That's my replacement. But so this meeting takes place.

500
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: It was called the all hands in meeting. It's on

501
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: January fourth. Apparently they're going through, you know, all these

502
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: grievances that she has, and then Ryan Reynolds goes off

503
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: on Justin Baldoni and attacks him for this reference he

504
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: made to Blake's weight that had to do with body shaming,

505
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: and apparently it was I don't know, it was traumatic

506
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: for him. He said, he's never been spoken to like that,

507
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: He's never been yelled at like that before. So I

508
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: just have this visual of these two A list actors

509
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: and their fancy pit house just going off on this.

510
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 1: Guys are just coming and going. So he claims in

511
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: his suit that a Sony representatives said that they regret

512
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: not getting involved and telling him that he was out

513
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: of line. Here, there's what I would like, and this

514
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: is what isn't in either of these complaints. And maybe

515
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: this will come later, but I would like declarations signed

516
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: under penalty of burgery from these people, because obviously that's hearsay,

517
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: just saying that Sony representatives said this.

518
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, that's a tough one that now

519
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: looking back, you know, if the meeting was documented somehow,

520
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: that is stenography or something.

521
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: That is just what at this point, what I feel

522
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: like is missing is I want declarations from people who

523
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: were there, who were witnesses saying this is the way.

524
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: This goes back to what I said earlier with the

525
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 2: intimacy coordinator. You need to have a third person that's unbiased.

526
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: And so here you have a meeting with all these

527
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: people that are upset, and there should have been some

528
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: way to document what was said and what it was exchanged.

529
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: I don't and I don't know how they do that.

530
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's normal to record it or

531
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 2: to you know.

532
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. But here's probably what's going on right now,

533
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: because justin Baldoni's going to a he's going to file

534
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: a response. I mean, I would assume that they're working

535
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: on all of that. Yeah, and his attorney came out today.

536
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: There was an article today that I read about Doni's attorney,

537
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: Brian Freeman, came out today and said they planned to

538
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: sue Blake personally and that he is more than happy

539
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: and to share all their text messages.

540
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: Nice.

541
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: So that's interesting as well. Here's my take on it,

542
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: and we'll get more into the legal aspect of it.

543
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: But here's my take away as someone who read the complaint,

544
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: saw the movie, has read lots of articles read the

545
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: complaint against The New York Times. My takeaway is is

546
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: that this is a power struggle between an A list

547
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: actress who's married to Ryan Reynolds, who really felt that

548
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: this movie was hers and that she developed the character

549
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: and that she was Lily Bloom, and she took control

550
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: of costuming, and she wore a lot of her own clothes,

551
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: and she wanted to rewrite scenes, and the end of

552
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: the movie, she ends up editing the movie herself and

553
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: kicking Justin Baldoni out, according to him. Allegedly, that's according

554
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: to him. And I think it comes down to a

555
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: power struggle between Justin Baldoni, who bought the film or

556
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: bought the rights to the film and wanted to produce

557
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: the film. But he's not a I didn't know who

558
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: he was until this.

559
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of her creative differences?

560
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: Creative differences, But I think those creative differences are based

561
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: on her being an A list actors getting her way.

562
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: Wait, you're saying, Baldoni, this is his first kind of

563
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: big screen I mean, I know he was. He was

564
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: in a series. I can't remember what it was, but

565
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: I would say this is his I'd never heard of

566
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 2: him before until now. I mean, she's clearly the bigger starr.

567
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: But I think going into the movie, he was a director.

568
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: He's the owner, it's his production studio. But I think

569
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: there was a power struggle, and I I think that

570
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: something happened. I know what it is, but I think

571
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: something happened. I know it happens a lot, and there's

572
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 2: a lot of good movies that come out of it.

573
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: But he had too many hats. He was he had

574
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: too much responsibility. Yeah, you know, how can he direct himself?

575
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: So I mean, if he's being inappropriate with the intimacy scenes,

576
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: and then she goes in complaints to the director, which

577
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: is him, what's he going to do tell himself, like

578
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: stop biting her lip? I mean, he can't do that.

579
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: So there was there was not any There was no

580
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: neutral people in this to be able to help guide it.

581
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: So you're saying his it was his fault that he

582
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: owns a production company, But he should have had safe

583
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: guards in.

584
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: Place for him, because I know lots of actors do that,

585
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: and that's cool. I think Soles she's Stone, one of

586
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: my favorites, does that. He wrote, directs and acts because

587
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: he's like, I know Rocky, right, so I know it

588
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: can happen. It's not abnormal. But watching this you certainly,

589
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: especially if you're going to hire Blake Lively, you should

590
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: certainly have someone like security or someone in the room

591
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: all the time, right, Like I know at work, when

592
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: there's a complaint and a male boss is going to

593
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: have a female person in there that he always brings

594
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: in another female to sit there to make sure that

595
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: nothing inappropriates exchanged and if there is, then then that

596
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: person can report it. And obviously you pick the gender

597
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: because then you can remove any biases. So you're messed

598
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: up that way. Yeah, it doesn't mean he's guilty or anything.

599
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: I'm just saying he messed up that way. But who

600
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: knew what he was dealing with. Maybe he didn't want it,

601
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: and maybe maybe he wanted it to just be him

602
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: and Blake Lively.

603
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm here's my question. If the

604
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: first half of the movie was filmed and there weren't

605
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: really any documented issues, but then they have the strike

606
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: down and there's downtime for months, but then she reaches

607
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: out the day of the strike ends her through her

608
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: legal counsel, reaches out and says, here's these grievances. I'm

609
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: not coming back to it.

610
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 2: It was the day before, right, January fourth. They before, that.

611
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: Was the day they had the meeting of hands and leading, right.

612
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: So then after this meeting they all agree, they adopt

613
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: the you know, we're abide by everything you say. They

614
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: just need to get the movie made. I feel like

615
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: he had his hands tied, like he has to agree

616
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: to all her demands because he has millions of dollars

617
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: invested in this movie, right, and they they lost time.

618
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: They've invested millions of dollars. They've only got half of

619
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: this movie made. They have to finish it. I think

620
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: she knew the power that she had, and she consistently

621
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: was like, I'm not going to finish unless this. I'm

622
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,719
Speaker 1: not going to finish unless this according to him, right.

623
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think he has any power in this.

624
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: She's the lead star. If she constantly threatens I'm not

625
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: going to finish. I'm not going to finish. I'm not

626
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: going to come back to work. I'm not going to

627
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: do this. They don't have time to argue they don't

628
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: have time to get counseled. They're not going to try.

629
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: They don't want to piss her off anymore. No, your

630
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: hands are tied in the situation. You basically just have

631
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: to be like, whatever you say, whatever, whatever you say,

632
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: I agree to whatever you say. But here's something that

633
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: I find interesting, And tell me what you think about this.

634
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: Once they agreed to those seventeen demands that she had,

635
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: it was all in writing. She even says in her

636
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: in her complaint that after that the movie was finished,

637
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: it was wrapped, there were no more issues.

638
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: Oh wait, so she confirmed that the second half of

639
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: the filming right, things were appropriate, appropriate, It was wrapped,

640
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: So what's done? So okay, here's where the mess up

641
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: is Baldoni trying to do his crisis control because it

642
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: was a preemptive strike or attempt that may never have

643
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: needed to be in place to begin with. Let's get

644
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: into that. And I don't will never know because we

645
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: don't have a time machine. But it had he not

646
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: done that, it might have been all reasons.

647
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna agree with that, because my

648
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: take is these publicists whose private text messages have been

649
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: made public is what was the catalyst for her suit

650
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: against him. So he has a crisis PR team that

651
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: he hires. He also has a publicist named Jennifer Abel.

652
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: Jennifer Abel and Melissa Nathan are the two main characters

653
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: in this. They're constantly texting with Baldoni about PR and

654
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: you know, stories and all these things. Apparently he hired

655
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: this crisis management firm and they do this thing called astroturfing.

656
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 1: I don't really understand what it is. But then there

657
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: was this outside company hired some guy in Texas. I

658
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: don't think it's bots, but they do have some way,

659
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: some logistical way to put good things out and maybe

660
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: suppress bad things. They also have relationships with you know,

661
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: your big players like Daily Mail, Cartmry, all those things.

662
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: The thing that I thought from the very beginning when

663
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: I read the complaint and there were pages and pages

664
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: of personal text messages between Justin Baldoni, his publicist, Jennifer Abel,

665
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: and then the crisis management team, which was Melissa Nathan,

666
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, where did Blake Lively get all

667
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: these text messages? How did her team? How did her

668
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: legal team get these text messages? You know that you

669
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: would only be able to get those through discovery. After

670
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: you filed a complaint and then you go into a.

671
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: Discovery the surfaced you done so in a way.

672
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: I'll tell you how. I think it was surface in

673
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: Baldoni's lawsuit touches on it a little bit. There was

674
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: another There's a lot of key players, a lot of

675
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 1: publicists involved in this, but there was a woman named

676
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: Stephanie Works who was a publicist for Baldoni. Apparently they

677
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: had a falling out. She also worked with his other publicists,

678
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: Jennifer Abel and then something happened where Jennifer and Stephanie

679
00:35:55,200 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: split ways. Stephanie confiscated her work phone and then did

680
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: a forensic analysis on it, and that's where all these

681
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: text messages came from. I think, what she this is me,

682
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 1: I'm I'm this is me. Just my opinion. I think

683
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: this woman Stephanie saw all these text messages that had

684
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: to do with Blake Lively and all these you know,

685
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: ways to figure out how to suppress certain stories or

686
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: whatever's going on, and she gave those two Blake's team,

687
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: probably in return for something. I don't know. Blakelee Lively

688
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: is a huge A list actress. I'm sure it was like, hey,

689
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: I have this. I think that's what's called. It's like

690
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: a friendly subpoena. Oh, there's so many.

691
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: I can't give examples.

692
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: They would say, well, they would send articles back and

693
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: forth like did you see this? Did you see the

694
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: response to this? We need to do this, let's talk

695
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: to this, let's do this. Honestly, here's the crux of

696
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: his libel suit with the New York Times. If you

697
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: look at Blake Lively's complaint, she puts in text messages

698
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: that say things like he wants us to bury her,

699
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: you know, things like that that don't look so great

700
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: for him, that it looks like he's intentionally trying to

701
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: make her look bad. In the press, they publish text messages,

702
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: but they don't publish the entire conversation. If you look

703
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: at his suit against the New York Times, he publishes

704
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: the entire text chain.

705
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is how it should be, because I know

706
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: in quart a lot of times, when you print out

707
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: the texts a judgement very well say I want to

708
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 2: see the phone. I want to see the whole string

709
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: of texts, right, I don't want to see selective you

710
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: know print right.

711
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: Let me just give you an example there's a lot

712
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,479
Speaker 1: of examples. Let me just give you an example. There's

713
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: a text exchange about an article that says could Blake

714
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: Lively be canceled? They left out in Blake's complaint where

715
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: one of where Justin's publicist says, damn, this is unfair

716
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: because this is also not me. Everything now looks like

717
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: it's me insinuating that that wasn't her, that she wasn't

718
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: responsible for that article about Lively being canceled, but they

719
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 1: left that out in Blake's complaint.

720
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: Well, we know what this is all going to come

721
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 2: down to. What no one's gonna work with Clively anymore? Well,

722
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: I don't think who would work with Baldoni. It doesn't

723
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: matter innocent or guilty or whatever. Who's going to work

724
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 2: with these people that are obviously litigious.

725
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: No, I don't. I don't disagree. This isn't good for anyone,

726
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: and it's also not good for these publicists. I mean,

727
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 1: it makes everyone look bad. It looks like a smear campaign.

728
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: This movie there is and that's another question, like how

729
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 1: are you going to make this movie? You can't, You can't.

730
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: He owns the rights to the I believe he owns

731
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: the rights to the.

732
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 2: You can't you can't do a sequel because the chemistry

733
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: is not there people watching it as long as assuming

734
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: all this surfaces, it'd be hard to watch a movie

735
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 2: knowing they hate each other when they're supposed to be

736
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 2: acting like they're in love or whatever the story is.

737
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: That's a tough one, and that sucks for Colleen Hooper

738
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 2: who had an opportunity to have a big movie on

739
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: the silver screen and then now so everyone's fighting in

740
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: the kitchen. Yeah, that sucks.

741
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, the only way this movie could be

742
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: made is if he sells it to another production company.

743
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: But then he's in the movie. You said, yeah, he's

744
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: in a movie.

745
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, they can't be in a movie together. So

746
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: there's never going to be a sequel unless it's completely

747
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: different actors and he sells it to another production company,

748
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: and then I don't know if people are invested in it,

749
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 1: because now you have different people and.

750
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 2: It might be very well delayed, you know, actually far

751
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 2: out Blake wanting to produce it herself and star in

752
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 2: it and then finding someone to take him, right, Reynolds, Yeah,

753
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 2: that's what Yeah, okay, wow, Well what I learned is

754
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: I need to now make sure. I have a third

755
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 2: person in my production company. So when I do a

756
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: film with Sophia Bergara, Carmen Electra, I need to have

757
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: someone on set, right, Yeah, and you are not allowed

758
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 2: in the room if there's any complaints. Okay, that was

759
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: bad on Ryan Reynolds Port.

760
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk a little bit about the backlash

761
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: that Justin Baldoni has faced amid all these Blake lively claims.

762
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: First of all, a lot of A list actors, actresses

763
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: came out in support of Blake.

764
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 2: I would say, Blake's the bigger star. Well, no one

765
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 2: knows Baldoni, right, I mean.

766
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: Right? And Also, let's be honest. The people that are

767
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: coming out in support of her, did they read the complaint?

768
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: Did they read No?

769
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: No, they're just saying I like Blake. I'm coming out

770
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: and support of Blake. So popularity, it's a popularity contest.

771
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: She's always going to win the popularity contest. Also, let's

772
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: just go back a little bit to the publicist and

773
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: supposedly this takedown of Blake, which is what her complaint

774
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: is about. Here's where it gets muddled. How can you

775
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: tell the difference between crisis pr for planting stories or

776
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: reaching out to you know, media outlets to get negative

777
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 1: stories out there, and an organic just negativity against Blake

778
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: because of her own actions. How do you It's hard

779
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: to differentiate. I think a lot of the negative press

780
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 1: surrounding her had to do with her own demeanor when

781
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: she was marketing the movie. And then there were you know,

782
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: old interviews at resurface where you know, there was the

783
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: one reporter that said congratulations on your little bump, because

784
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: she had just announced that she was pregnant, and she

785
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: looks at the reporter and goes, congratulations on your little bump.

786
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it was so it was cringey. I couldn't

787
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: even watch it. It was so bad. So how much

788
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: is I think she was embarrassed by the negative reaction

789
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: to her in the public. I think a lot of

790
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: people were going against her. They were talking about how

791
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: she wasn't marketing the movie properly, how she was glazing

792
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 1: over the whole domestic violence situation. She didn't look good.

793
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 1: There were a lot of articles out her that were negative,

794
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: and I think her way of getting back at that

795
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: is to blame Justin and his team for planting those

796
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: instead of taking any accountability for maybe it was some

797
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: things that you did yourself.

798
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: Some woman in my life do that. They point the

799
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: finger at me. We'll talk about that.

800
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: All right. So the backlash that Justin Baldoni has faced,

801
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: Baldoni's talent agency w m E, dropped him as a

802
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: client immediately when the complaint.

803
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 2: Was But that's normal, right, Well, I don't know.

804
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: They represent Blake and Ryan.

805
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they picked Aside, They clearly picked up, clearly

806
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: picked Aside. Oh wow, I thought like it was it

807
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: was just representing him and they dropped him just kind

808
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: of like we don't want to go there. But you're

809
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: saying they they said, will continue to represent Lively and

810
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 2: Reynolds and not well the bigger stars. Right, there's probably

811
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 2: there's certainly a lot more money involved in representing Lively

812
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: in Reynolds and Reynolds never turns down the script, so

813
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: they'll do all of this stuff.

814
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: So Deadline reported that the decision that the decision was

815
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: made by wm E leadership and was partly due to

816
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: Lively's lawsuit. I mean, let's be honest here, it's not

817
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: partly due to the lawsuit. It's one hundred percent because

818
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: of the lawsuit. Baldoni was awarded at the twenty twenty

819
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: four Vital Voices Solidarity Awards, which is an awards program

820
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 1: that honors remarkable men who have shown courage and compassion

821
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: and advocating on behalf of women and girls worldwide. On

822
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: December twenty third, Vital Voices announced they rescinded the award

823
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: and alerted Baldoni on the decision amid the legal drama. See,

824
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,959
Speaker 1: I don't like that people are are making decisions about

825
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: who's right and who's wrong before everything has come out,

826
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: before he's allowed to lead his own case. Yeah, but

827
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: we all tend to do that to some degree. But

828
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: the publicist company definitely did that. Oh yeah, until he

829
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: claims in his countersuit that and I don't know. This

830
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 1: is just alleged that at a premiere of a movie

831
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: that Ryan Reynolds went up to one of the representatives

832
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: of this of WM and was like, you have to

833
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: drop Baldoni.

834
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 2: So and I don't know, probably, I mean.

835
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: I'm sure there was pressure. Baldoni hosted the podcast Man

836
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,959
Speaker 1: Enough alongside author Liz Plank. On December twenty third, Plank

837
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: announced her departure from the show after four years. She

838
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: wrote in a statement obtained by people. We all deserve better,

839
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: and I know that together we can create it. I

840
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: will have more to share soon as I continue to

841
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: process everything that has happened. In the meantime, I will

842
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: continue to support everyone who calls out injustice and holds

843
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: the people standing in their way accountable. Lastly, in the

844
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: wake of Lilly's Lively's lawsuit, Elizabeth Day, a host of

845
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: the podcast How to Fail, deleted an episode where she

846
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: interviewed Baldoni about it ends with Us. I have made

847
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: the decision to remove the recent How to Fail interview

848
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: with Justin Donate from all platforms while the distressing allegations

849
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: made against him and Blake Lively's recent lawsuit are fully investigated.

850
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: Every individual has a right to a safe workplace. Every

851
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: woman has the right to dignity in that workplace. Every

852
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: form of abuse should be called out, and I salute

853
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: the individuals who have the courage to do so. Here's

854
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: my question, if Blake were really we're talking about Blake Lively,

855
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: if she were truly reasonably and really uncomfortable, why would

856
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: she sue a year later?

857
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 2: Oh, it is a fair question, but sometimes it takes time,

858
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 2: and sometimes people don't want to But then they can't.

859
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 2: Maybe they think they're going to walk it off right,

860
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 2: then they can't get over it, so then they want

861
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: to file. Then they have to find an attorney.

862
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: But it doesn't seem to you.

863
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: I never think that time is an absolute defense. It's

864
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 2: like it makes it's a fair question, like if there's

865
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: a violent situation and someone waits a couple of years

866
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 2: to reap it, Well, there are reasons.

867
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: Here's just my takeaway. She accuses him of retaliating against

868
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: her by hiring this pr firm because of the allegations

869
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: that she made. However, when she files her complaint simultaneously

870
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: with the New York Times article, which kind of cherry

871
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: picks what text messages it's using, she's doing the exact

872
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: same thing that she claims that he's doing. She's clearly

873
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: going after his character and reputation. That's just my opinion.

874
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: They both have dirty hands, yeah, or unclean hands, both

875
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 2: of them, And to some degree, he was preemptively trying

876
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: to address things publicly, which probably made it worse because

877
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 2: maybe it never would a surface because they were just

878
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 2: kind of hr complaints for lack of better words, right

879
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: in the beginning, and then he now makes it a

880
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 2: bigger issue, or at least enough for her to think,

881
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: what the hell's he doing to me? So then she,

882
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 2: you know, fires back, and now it's just all over

883
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 2: the place. So they're both in a way, in a way,

884
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: there both had some degrees of unprofessionalism. Yep, the public

885
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: opinion is on lively side. So far, you had Hoover,

886
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 2: who is the author. You had the PR firm, right.

887
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: Well, it's not a PR firm, it's their management firm.

888
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: Management firm they are. Then you have the New York

889
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 2: Times that didn't really help them.

890
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: No, it didn't help them at all, help them at all.

891
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: No, And then it's pretty it's pretty bad.

892
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

893
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: Ryan Reynolds is you know, he's got some leverage. I'm sure.

894
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: Talk about Ryan Reynolds for a little bit, because he

895
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: was involved in the film. According to Justin Baldoni's suit

896
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: against The New York Times, if you read the whole thing,

897
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 1: he does make so when they went to do press,

898
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: I never understood this, and I tried to understand it. It

899
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: doesn't really lay it out completely, but something happened so

900
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: that when it was press time for this movie it's

901
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 1: now being released, they would not be together Apparently Blake

902
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: would not allow Justin Baldoni to be at the premiere

903
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: of the movie. Was she banned him according to him.

904
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 2: But at this time point in time, there was no

905
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: legal proceedings file, nothing like that, and no one internal

906
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: thing right.

907
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: And that's where I don't understand where the breakdown happened.

908
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: Because she made her grievances known on January fourth, they

909
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 1: put it in writing, they finished the movie.

910
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 2: They did what they could to accommodate her issues, right.

911
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 2: They finished the movie. The movie wraps on February ninth.

912
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: Then they go into the editing process. Here's where I

913
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: think the breakdown took place. Blake wanted to take over

914
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: the movie. She wanted to edit the movie herself. Apparently

915
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 2: she allowed he allowed her to come into the editing bay.

916
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 2: It went from like a couple times editing too. I

917
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 2: think she fully took over. Then there ends up being

918
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 2: two versions of the movie. There ends up being an

919
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: editor's cut, which is Baldoni's cut. How does that happen?

920
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 2: How does an actor just walk into an editing room

921
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 2: and be like, excuse me, and then they start editing.

922
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 2: I mean, don't she have people that are professionals that

923
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: that have that experience, that know what to do, and

924
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 2: they said, he just have some lady to walk in

925
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: that says like, you know, cut this out and do that.

926
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: I mean, that's weird.

927
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: I don't disagree.

928
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: So how do they let that slip?

929
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: I think because she has so much power that she

930
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: basically was like, I want to edit scenes myself. I

931
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: want to do this. I think she has Ryan Reynolds

932
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,479
Speaker 1: backing her, and.

933
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 2: This can't be normal. I mean it's not like Kevin Costner,

934
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: where he's he's done a million things directing and editing,

935
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 2: where it's like he might chime in and then the

936
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 2: others say, yeah, you know, this is Kevin Costning, like

937
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: they want to pick his brain, they want his input.

938
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 2: This is like some actress that I don't even know

939
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 2: what she's done. What she done.

940
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: She was in Gossip Girl, She's been in.

941
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: A lot of us, done things, but she's just in

942
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: front of the screen. I mean she she walks into

943
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 2: the I think she has some producing credits, But so

944
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 2: what happened? This is where I think the tension just

945
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: escalates off the charts. He includes several text messages between

946
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 2: him and editors where the editors are reaching out to

947
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 2: Justin Baldoni basically offering yeah, no, they're offering him support,

948
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,439
Speaker 2: basically saying, we're so sorry this is happening to you.

949
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: Just focus on the movie. Just fo Yeah, okay, So

950
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: the editors are kind of like so that implies like, yeah,

951
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 2: we know, she's kind of like dictating the terms here.

952
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,959
Speaker 2: We got your back, like just keep doing what you're doing, right,

953
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 2: and we're not okay with it? Like right.

954
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: So then eventually, or apparently according to him in his

955
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: New York Times suit, she fires the editors that he hired.

956
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: How does she fire editor I don't know and here

957
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 1: and hires editors that Ryan Reynolds uses. She apparently also

958
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: fired the composer that Wayfairer had hired and hires happen.

959
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's our contracts in places scope of

960
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 2: employment and all that stuff.

961
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: That's why I'm telling you. I think the majority of

962
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: the attention is a is a hostile takeover and a

963
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: power struggle. So then eventually, according again I just want

964
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,959
Speaker 1: to say, this is according to Justin that their ends,

965
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: and it's also memorialized in these text messages that he

966
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: includes in this New York Times suit, there ends up

967
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: being two cuts of this movie. There's a director's cut,

968
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 1: which is his cut, and then there's the Blake cut,

969
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: which is her cut. Apparently they go to Sony and

970
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: they're like, we have two versions of this movie, and

971
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,479
Speaker 1: Sony's like, okay, well, we'll do a focus group type

972
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: of testing in whichever scores higher.

973
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 2: That's so, what did they do that?

974
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: They did according to Justin and scored higher his, But

975
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: guess which one was released hers? I mean, I actually

976
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: feel sorry for this professional. So then when it comes

977
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: to the release of the movie, they do a premiere

978
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: and apparently he was not allowed at the premiere period.

979
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: How did hers get released? Because I think she I

980
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: think she agreed initially to release whichever one tested higher,

981
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: and then I think she were nigged on it later

982
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: after they came back with the results.

983
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: And said no, sorry again at least according to your understanding. Again,

984
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: she has a leverage, and she's like, Rich, don't believe

985
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 2: your I think according to I'm doing this right.

986
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: According to him, she basically would refuse to market the

987
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: movie or refuse to do things if people did not

988
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: if they didn't release her version. I think she banned

989
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: him from the premiere, but then I think he had

990
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: to fight really hard to be able to be there.

991
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: And then he was allowed to go to the premiere,

992
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: but he could not arrive at the same time as her,

993
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: He couldn't be on the red carpet the same time

994
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: as her, he couldn't go to the after party. And

995
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: apparently he and his friends and his family were banned

996
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: to some like makeshift area where they were in some

997
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: holding cell because they couldn't be on the red carpet

998
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: the same time as her, and things like that. This is,

999
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: according to him, and.

1000
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: No one's going to want to work with her again. Difficult.

1001
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I honestly, after reading his

1002
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: complaint that he filed against The New York Times, I

1003
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: felt really badly for him.

1004
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: I did.

1005
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 1: That's just my takeaway based upon what I've read so far. Again,

1006
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: clearly the New York Times is going to file a

1007
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: response and it open.

1008
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 2: You're not invalidating her complaints because you're saying her plaint

1009
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 2: complaints were addressed.

1010
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: Her complaints were addressed.

1011
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 2: I feel like it was formalized, everything was on track

1012
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 2: to support her and whatever her needs and issues and complaints.

1013
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 2: And then they finished filming without issues, right, I wouldn't

1014
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 2: work with her.

1015
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: Well, so if she wants to start and I'm not.

1016
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 2: Reading any scripts now, you're not. No. But then again,

1017
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 2: no one's gonna want to work with him either. I mean,

1018
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 2: this has become the fire. There's too much of an issue.

1019
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 2: And it's also like Colo Baldoni White letting people walk

1020
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 2: into the editing room and just taking over and firing

1021
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 2: your people. That makes no sense.

1022
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: I don't think he had I don't think he felt

1023
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: like he had recourse, and I can't in a lot

1024
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: of if I.

1025
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 2: Walked into bra was editing. Excuse me? I did a

1026
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 2: focus group. When I listen to it, We're gonna do

1027
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 2: my editing version? Could you more less Emily? Less emily?

1028
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 2: Thanks a lot?

1029
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: I was like, could it make me look good?

1030
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 2: Please? Oh wow? That yeah?

1031
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: Okay, So you guys, this is a very interesting story.

1032
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: I mean, if you've been following it like I have,

1033
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: I would love to know your opinions on it. There

1034
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: to come, and there's there's so much more to come.

1035
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: Because these are all initial filings. The Baldoni still has

1036
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 1: to file a response to her complaint and the civil

1037
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: complaint and the federal complaint. New York Times has to

1038
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: file a response to his libel suit, and also Brian Friedman,

1039
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: his Baldoni's attorney, has also said he's going to sue

1040
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 1: Blake personally and all the text messages are going to

1041
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: come out between the two of them.

1042
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 2: The cause action for his complaint against her, I don't know.

1043
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: I would say some type of intentional. I don't know

1044
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: that they'll pile on as many causes of action I'm

1045
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 1: sure as they can. And also has.

1046
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 2: Got a lot of money those dead pockets there also,

1047
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 2: I will guess or I will say that I think

1048
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 2: there'll be a lawsuit against Stephanie works.

1049
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: That's just me guessing that I don't know anything. But

1050
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: she is the one who I believe released all the private,

1051
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: confidential text messages. And I'm sure that's another thing.

1052
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 2: Where is the sacina selectively? Right?

1053
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: Probably selectively? But I would like to see this subpoena.

1054
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: But I have not seen a subpoena yet, so I'm

1055
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: assuming it's some type of friendly subpoena where she probably said, Hey,

1056
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: I have all this information. I would love to turn

1057
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: it over to you, so you know, if you slip

1058
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: me a subpoena, I'm happy to comply something. Give me

1059
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: a reason to give you all this information. So this

1060
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: is a messy, messy, muddled situation.

1061
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 2: Too many people with too much money and too many opportunities.

1062
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: Too much power.

1063
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we will. I'm never going to get over

1064
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 2: the walking into the editing or being step aside.

1065
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:19,919
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know exactly what happened, clearly what you said, Well,

1066
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 1: I'm saying according to his complaint against The New York Times,

1067
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: he does claim that basically she took over editing and

1068
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: there there ends up being two versions of the film.

1069
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: How does that happen unless she edited her version. Well,

1070
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 1: we know it's the Rynolds version, the right, the Ryan version.

1071
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,280
Speaker 1: So all right, guys, thank you so much for listening.

1072
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: If you get the opportunity to go back and listen

1073
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: to our Menindez podcast, we will always keep you updated

1074
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: on that because that's an ongoing case. And also we

1075
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: will keep you updated on the Blake Lively and just

1076
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: a Baldoni case because I feel like we are just

1077
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: at the tip of the iceberg on this and that

1078
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: there is going to be a lot more that comes out,

1079
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: So we will definitely follow that. So thanks for listening.

1080
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: Thank you,