1 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: Three gorgeous young women moms as a matter of fact, 2 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: one of them in particular, leaving behind two children, one 3 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: age one and one age thirteen, growing out, growing up 4 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: now without their mother. Why for beauty? For beauty at 5 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: the hands of a doctor that had no idea what 6 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 1: he was doing? How many more are out there? A 7 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: lot of people think it all started right here? Listen? 8 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: Did Kim Kardashian officially break the internet? The infamous reality 9 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: star took to her Instagram to share her provocative cover 10 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,639 Speaker 1: photos for Paper Magazines twenty fourteen Winner issue, taken by 11 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: famed French photographer Jean Paul Gooday. One photo shows Kim 12 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: exposing her bear oiled up boutet, Kim's most well known asset, 13 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: while the other features her fully clothed balancing a champagne 14 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: glass on her end table. And they say I didn't 15 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: have talent, Kim captioned, Try balancing a champagne glass on 16 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: your ass Lol. Maybe it was funny to somebody at 17 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: the time, but it's not funny right now you're hearing. 18 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: Reporter Danny hoyt At celebified that seemed to set a 19 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: trend not only across the country, but across the world. 20 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: No offense to Kim Kardashian, who's I'm sure an excellent 21 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: business person, but the desire to look like her to 22 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: quote break the Internet, take a listen to our friends 23 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: an inside edition. She works as a registered nurse, but 24 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: when Stephanie Alcala sheds her scrubs, the Miami native says 25 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: she's unhappy with the size and shape of her butt. 26 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: I want the production. The twenty five year old knows 27 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: what she wants, a voluptuous booty like Kim Kardashian. Stephanie 28 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: has tried all sorts of butt enhancing exercises to no avail. Now, 29 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: Nurse Stephanie has decided to get butt lift surgery, and 30 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: you won't believe how she's doing it. Stephanie is doubling 31 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 1: down on fatty foods, fat is the new gold and 32 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: plastic surgery. Miami cosmetic surgeon doctor Constantino Mendietta says he's 33 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: seen an eighty five percent increased demand for butt lift surgery, 34 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: all due to Kim Kardashian. When you're looking here, where's 35 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 1: your eye focusing? What do you like this projection right here? 36 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: You want to go big? Yes? I want to go big. 37 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: When Stephanie weighs in, she saw that she gained twelve 38 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: pounds of fat. That little s curve. Look at that, 39 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: that is what's gorgeous on her. Doctor Mendietta marks the 40 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: fat rich deposits that will be harvested to create that 41 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: Kim k butt. Before I introduced to you an all 42 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: star panel, including the mother of one of the plastic 43 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: surgery victims, I want to first go to doctor Bethany Marshall, 44 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: psychoanalyst joining me out of La Psychoanalysts to the stars, 45 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: and star of a new Netflix program, Bling Empire. You 46 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com Doctor Bethany. 47 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: When I was listening to the first bit of sound 48 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 1: we were hearing, and I was thinking about when Kim 49 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: Kardashian quote broke the Internet with that picture. I can't 50 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: really remember it, but I kind of remember. It looked 51 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: like she was sitting in a champagne glass. I can't 52 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: quite recall, but it was all about her naked booty 53 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: and it sent waves ripple effects through the plastic surgery industry, 54 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: and it made so many people want to look like her. 55 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: What is it about people's lives? That they want to 56 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: look different. And I'm not knocking it. I want everyone 57 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,839 Speaker 1: to feel good about themselves. But what is why would 58 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: you want to look like somebody else? Nancy. Is such 59 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: a complex question because it's motivated by multiple factors. Some 60 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: people just want to look better, and we have that 61 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: option today with sastic surgery. But when somebody like Kim Kardashian, 62 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: who she jokes, you know, and you say I don't 63 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: have talent, In fact, she's an everyday person who became 64 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: so rich and so famous, and plastic surgery helped to 65 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: facilitate that, and I think it's what it does is 66 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: that fosters a desire in ordinary, everyday women to be 67 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: to inject themselves into her notoriety, to be rich and 68 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: famous like her, to have the fantasy that if I 69 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,799 Speaker 1: had a big garrier, I might be rich. And amos too. 70 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: I mean, we are wired to be copycats. That's in 71 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: a way, you know, part of our whole learning is 72 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 1: that we emulate our parents and we emulate the people 73 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: around us as we're growing up. And so there's another aspect, though, Nancy, 74 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: is that sometimes we don't want to live in reality. 75 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: We have a preference for delusions and fantasies, and people 76 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,799 Speaker 1: easily have this delusion, the bigger my butt, the richer 77 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: I'll be, the bigger my butt, that the more famous 78 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: I'll be, the bigger my butt, the more people will 79 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: love me and look up to me. And I think 80 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: that's another aspect. Really Briefly, I've had a couple come 81 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: to therapy in Beverly Hills recently because the husband's mad 82 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: at the wife. First of all, you don't have to 83 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: be brief, Okay, I want to hear the whole thing. 84 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: And plus you were talking set fast. I couldn't understand 85 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: what you were saying. I'm sorry, go ahead, what about 86 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: a husband. A couple came to therapy in my bever 87 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: Hills office because the wife, who actually happens to be 88 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: a famous singer, keeps wanting to get her but bigger, bigger, 89 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: and bigger and bigger, and she cannot stop, and she 90 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: looks distorted, and it's so sad. And I look at 91 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: pictures of her when she was younger, she was slender 92 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: and gorgeous and youthful. And now all you notice, please 93 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: do not say slender and gorgeous other little girls that 94 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: ate nothing. But let us at lunch. I started calling 95 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: him to let us life bunch, get it, let us bunch. 96 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: And that's all that eight that was in the fourth grade. 97 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: How old are you in the fourth grade? Looked ten 98 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: and they're still doing it. They're this big, poor little things. 99 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: And I don't think slender necessarily is gorgeous. But that's 100 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: just me. Okay, don go ahead, if you think about it, 101 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: think about it. I just did it. I engaged in 102 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: the delusion. If you're slender, you're beautiful. So you are 103 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: here comparing it to your clients now distorted behind guys 104 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: with me was Psychoanalyst to the Stars, Bethany Marshall. But 105 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: let me bring in the rest of our guests. And 106 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: I haven't even gotten to tell you what happened in 107 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: the case yet. First of all, Emmy Award winning investigative 108 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: reporter Chrissie Mazourk is with US Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, 109 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, It's bestseller, 110 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: and start of a brand new program called Poisous Liaisons 111 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: on the True Crime Network. Death investigator Joe Scott Morgan, 112 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: doctor Katherine Hanna. She's a Board certified plastic Surgeon, Professor 113 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: Plastic Surgery, Georgetown. That's not shabby. And you can find 114 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: her at we stand Plastic Surgery dot com, on Insta 115 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: and Twitter at doctor Hannah dc Oh. I can't wait 116 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: to hear what she's got to say. Of course, you know, 117 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. Gary Davidson a special guest joining us 118 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,239 Speaker 1: partner with diad diaz Reius International Law Firm at diaz 119 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: Raius dot com, joining us out of Miami and our 120 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: special guests joining us right now. This is Keana Weaver's mother, 121 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: Renee Weaver. Miss Weaver, let me start with you tell 122 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: me about your daughter Keanna. She has these beautiful children, 123 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: ages one and thirteen. When did you learn she wanted 124 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: to have plastic surgery? It was a it was I 125 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: have seen her one day, uh uh. A friend had 126 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: parents right and her and her her and her real 127 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: close friend. They was talking about they was going to 128 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: get some work done. So basically, really I thought nothing 129 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: else of it. I just went so, you know, went 130 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: on about my is okay, whatever, how you gonna pay 131 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: for it? Clime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking 132 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: about three beautiful women that have suffered horribly because of 133 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: plastic surgery. Keana Weaver, gorgeous, young mom in her thirties 134 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: and with me it is her mother, Renee right now, Renee, 135 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: what were you saying, Miss Weaver? It's all about the 136 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: confidence I think that a person having themselves because it's 137 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm the type of person and my daughter 138 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: was the type of person. Okay, we don't have, but 139 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: I learned. I've learned to live with it. I guess 140 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: there's something she couldn't live with. And the thing of 141 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: it is is when somebody makes you feel so bad 142 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: about yourself that you will gold and you would do 143 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: something like that. I don't understand, you know to doctor 144 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: Catherine Hannah, Board Certify Plastic Surgery and Professor or Plastic 145 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: Surgery at Georgetown, Doctor Hannah, thank you so much for 146 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: being with us. Sometimes plastic surgery many times makes a 147 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: person feel great, as Miss Weaver was just telling us, 148 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: they feel more confident. For instance, you think your nose 149 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 1: is too big, well, you know what, you get it fixed. 150 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: You feel great and other people may not even notice 151 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: that you've had it done. It may be so subtle, 152 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: but you feel great about it. And of course they're 153 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: all those cases, Doctor Hannon. For instance, when women have mysectomies, 154 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: they need extensive plastic surgery to feel like they look 155 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: like they did before. So plastic surgery can be a 156 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: wonderful thing for a lot of people. Do you think 157 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: patients come in for the wrong reasons? Actually they do 158 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: most part. However, we have to as plastic surgeons do 159 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: a better job of establishing goals. Most do a great job. 160 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: If a patient has realistic goals, they can't fill out 161 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: a broth. They feel uncomfortable in a bathing suit, for instance, 162 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: because you know, they feel their chest is not proportionate 163 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: to their lower half of their body or their moms 164 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: and they've had skin stretching and muscle stretching from having children. 165 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: They want to be able to fit better in pants. 166 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: And I think if we have realistic expectations, plastic surgery 167 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: can be wonderful again, provided that it's in skilled hands 168 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: with some who knows what they're doing. Unfortunately, a lot 169 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: of our patients do come to us with pictures on 170 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: Instagram or magazine pictures of celebrities saying they want a 171 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: certain goal or certain outcome, or want to look like 172 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: a certain celebrity, and that's just not a good place 173 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: to start. No, two bodies are the same, and it's 174 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: really impossible to achieve that in many circumstances, Nor is 175 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: it the right thing to do. My job is to 176 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: make the patients feel better, look better, but still be 177 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: themselves and just a more confident version of themselves more 178 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: sometimes if it's the face, a more rested version of themselves, 179 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: so that, you know, plastic surgery should be secondary. They 180 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: still feel like themselves at the end of the day, 181 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: not just a bigger behind that they're walking around with. Yeah, 182 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: and I keep looking at Keana Weaver. Guys, keyana mother 183 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: is with us, chrisy, I'm going to get to you. 184 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: In one set called on Renee Weaver, Keiana's mother is 185 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 1: with us. Miss Weaver, you said, oh golly, I'm looking 186 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: at a T shirt now with her picture in it. 187 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: After she passed. You said, she when when some people 188 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: feel so bad about themselves they get plastic surgery? Did 189 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: your daughter feel that way? No? I didn't let me 190 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: rephrase it, okay, because I mean, I'm looking at her. 191 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: She's just gorgeous. I can't imagine her feeling bad about herself. 192 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: I didn't no. I mean far as not her feeling 193 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: bad about herself, but her want to change right the 194 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: way God made her. If you don't have no butt, 195 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: so be it. You don't have no But I don't 196 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: have no butt, and I'm fine with it, and I 197 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: want to balance it out because you know, one of 198 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: the first do you remember, guys um do you remember this, 199 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, those pictures of children that have cleugh palates. 200 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: It's called the Smile Train, and they're children from all 201 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: over the world that can't get plastic surgery and they 202 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: suffer this really difficult issue. Is a cless palette, and 203 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: Smile Train pays for I think a pretty Actually, let 204 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: me ask doctor Hanson, Doctor Hannon, isn't that a relatively 205 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: simple surgery to fix that so the child won't have 206 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: a disfigurement. So Smile Train and operations Smile. There's lots 207 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: of other organizations that they actually travel to other countries 208 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: that don't have sufficient resources to do the surgeries. So 209 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: there's two parts Usually to that. One is the lip right, 210 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: so repairing the lip, and that is usually done in 211 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: small children, and the problem is that they need anesthesia 212 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: for that. They're not going to sit still while we 213 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: inject just numbing medicine for ends, right, But it's it's 214 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: a really bad disfigurement for a child to grow up 215 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: with on your face. So there's so many good things 216 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: about plastic surgery that I don't want to negate that. 217 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: But you know, let me go to Christie Missouri Emmy 218 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: Award winning investigative reporter. I've got three ladies here who 219 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: suffered at the hands of let me just say a butcher, 220 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: what happened. Well, now all of these procedures are drawing 221 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: attention to this clinic in Tijuana, Well, Tiahuana. They went 222 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: all the way to Tiahuanahuai call savings. Yes, okay, but 223 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: obviously their bargain procedure was not what they bargained for. 224 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: As mentioned by miss Weaver, you know, her daughter died 225 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: on the table, her friend Kenesia Davis suffered internal bleeding, 226 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: and a third lady, as Maralda Iniguez, suffered kidney failure. 227 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: Now people are looking into this art Soilhouette Esthetic Surgery 228 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: Clinic and its director, doctor Jesus Manuel Bayez Lopez. Boy, 229 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: does he have things all over social media? What do 230 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: you mean? Things all over social media. Well, this isn't 231 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: the first time that this gentleman's activities have been called 232 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: into question. He's been on the topic of message boards, 233 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: people sometimes questioning if he does actually have the medical 234 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: back and heaven and these three unsuspected women mothers. Now, 235 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: we've got children without a mother to get a Kim 236 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: Kardashian rear in with a guy who is not a 237 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: board certified plastic surgeon. To my understanding, doctor Jesus Lopez 238 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: operated on all three women. And we're talking about death, 239 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: septic shot, kidney failure, renal failure. WHOA okay? But why 240 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: travel all the way to Tiajuana. Guys, take a listen 241 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: to our friends at crime online dot com. Keana Weaver 242 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: tells her mother she is going to Florida for lipa 243 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: section and a tummy tuck. But this thirty eight year 244 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: old mother of two and a friend go to Tijuana, Mexico, 245 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: for the procedures are less expensive than in the US. 246 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: Nurse Kenecia Davis is having a procedure done the same day. 247 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: Something goes wrong with Weaver's procedure and she dies on 248 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: the operating table. Davis is taken to a hotel room 249 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: to recover. After learning that Weaver has died, Davis's husband 250 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: takes her home to California. Davis said she began bleeding 251 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: internally and projectile vomiting, eventually requiring an ambulance ride to 252 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 1: the er and a two week hospitalization. The hospital told 253 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: her she was hemorrhaging insight and had a hematoma. She 254 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:48,719 Speaker 1: could have bled to death. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Guys, 255 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: we are talking about three young women. They tell people 256 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: they're going to Florida for plastic surgery. They go to 257 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: Tijuana and it kind of sounds like a girl's weekend away, 258 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: but they're going for plastic surgery. The same doctor operates 259 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: on all three and it ends in death. Renal failure, 260 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: kidney failure, internal bleeding, and children left without a mom. 261 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about. To Joseph's Goot Morgun, Professor Forensics, 262 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State, Oh, I want to tell you something, Joe Scott, 263 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 1: before you get going. Don't think it's just women that 264 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: don't know any better. I have a very dear friend 265 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: that wanted I don't know the right term of hair 266 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: plugs and travels to Turkey to get them. Luckily, it 267 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: worked out great and it worked and it took I 268 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: don't really explain how it worked, but it did work. 269 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: But the whole time I was thinking, Oh, my stars, 270 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: what if something goes wrong in Turkey and there is 271 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: what could happen to him? Very intelligent people do this 272 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: for a cost savings and they're out of reach from 273 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: our medical facilities that we have. But the reality is 274 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: it happens right here in the US. So what is 275 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: Joe Scott? What is renal failure and kidney failure and 276 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: septic shot? And remember I'm not an MD, I'm just 277 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: a JD. So dummy down for me what happened well 278 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: with renal failure, Nancy. Essentially, what is going on is 279 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: that these individuals do, in fact go into kidney failure. 280 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: That means that their ability to process waste in their 281 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: body is essentially shut down, and this can have horrible 282 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: consequences all the way around. Now, one of the major 283 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: problems with this is that we don't know a lot 284 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: about the history, and I'm talking about the medical legal history. 285 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: If we're looking at this as from a death investigation perspective. 286 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: We've had patience when I was working at the Medical 287 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: Examiner Atlanta that have died in Atlanta, that have come 288 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: in from other countries that have had procedures, had the 289 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: same thing happened when I was working for the Corner 290 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: down in New Orleans. And it's horrible to get this 291 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: kind of data and the information. But the one thing 292 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 1: that we do know is that when you go to 293 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: these locations that such as this clinic, that are very 294 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: sketchy to begin with, you have no idea about the credentials, 295 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: You have no idea about just basic cleanliness. You know, 296 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: liposuction itself is something that is intrinsically dirty. It's not 297 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: something that is that's very clean, all right, So people 298 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: can develop things like septicemia, which means just a total 299 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:47,479 Speaker 1: body infection, and your system begins to shut down. And 300 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: this poor girl, I've got something to tell you, Joe Scott. 301 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: It's not just these three women. And estimated two point 302 00:20:53,680 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: four million medical tourists crossing California to Tijuana specifically from procedures, 303 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: according to the Baja California Secretary Sustainable Economy and Tourism, 304 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: up from eight hundred thousand, two point four million, And 305 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: that's what it was a couple of years ago. Go 306 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: to Tijuana it's known for this. Let me bring in 307 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 1: another special guest joining us in addition to Keana Weaver's mother, 308 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: Renee Gary Davidson. He's a superstar in this field. Partner 309 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: with diaz Raeus International out of Miami, Gary. What is happening, Well, 310 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: what's happening here is enormous increase in medical tourism worldwide 311 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: cause of the increasing and ever increasing costs of medical 312 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: procedures here in the United States. Unfortunately, a couple of 313 00:21:54,760 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: practical things that they typically don't consider are, for example, 314 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: what do they do, what are their remedies if something 315 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: goes wrong if the doctor commits legal malpractice. Legal malpractice 316 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: is not a recognized industry in the legal profession in Mexico. 317 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: Contingency feework, which is typically done in medical malpractice cases, 318 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: is not prevalent in Mexico. It's a completely different institutional structure. 319 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: It's a civil law system, not a common law system, 320 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: and the rules are different, and so people take are 321 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 1: taking legal risks on a regular basis when they go 322 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: and undertake medical tourism. In looking at this from a 323 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: practical perspective, however, you know there's some there's some things 324 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 1: that can be learned from this tragedy or this series 325 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: of tragedies, and one of them is something that we 326 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: all know when we when we need a medical procedure, 327 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: and that is to do our research, to look into 328 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: the standards in the country, the certification standards for experts, 329 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: the certification standards for board certification, if they exist and 330 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: if they don't exist, to make sure that the person 331 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: they're going to see is going to do invasive surgery 332 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: has a good reputation. These are all difficult things to 333 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: find out when you're doing They really are our country, guys, 334 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: you're hearing Gary Davidson. He is a superstar in this field. 335 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: And yes, lawyers have specialties. For instance, you don't want 336 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: to go to an anti trust lawyer to sue your neighbor. 337 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: You don't want to go to a med mal practice 338 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: lawyer when you need a wheel written up. So Gary 339 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: has a specialty in this area, including international law, which 340 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: sadly is what we need in this case because these ladies, 341 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: thinking it was a fun lork go to Tijuana and 342 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: end up with horrible repercussions after what should be routine 343 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 1: plastic surgery. I'm talking about septic shock, kidney failure, renal 344 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: failure and leaving behind children without a mom. I want 345 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: to go back to Renee Weaver. This is Keiana's mother. 346 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: Keiana's leaving behind a one year old and a thirteen 347 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: year old. Renee, did Kiana have any idea about this 348 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: particular doctor. No, And to be honest, I didn't know 349 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: that she was going until the day she left. She 350 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: was supposed to call me and tell me that she 351 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 1: was going, but she never called. My son called me 352 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: and told me that she had went, and I was 353 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: liking shot. Then the next call, I guid it. He 354 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: called the sense she was there and that's that's it. 355 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: And it's more women out there, you know that have 356 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: a story to tell about this doctor because it's ridiculous. 357 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: He's taking lives and he's just disregarded a body like 358 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: this trash. I'm not gonna let him get away with 359 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: what he did to my daughter. He just disgarded her 360 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: body like she was a piece of trash. She didn't care. 361 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: When you say he discarded her body like a piece 362 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: of trash, what do you mean? What happened? She died 363 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: and they just took her to this uh mortuary. But 364 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: when I'm saying he disgarded her body like she was 365 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: trash is because I want to go see her body. 366 00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: She was laying up there and that lace was so unsanitary. 367 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: It was ridiculous. I cried when I had to leave 368 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: my daughter there, and she was out there for several 369 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: days until I got her back here. I had to 370 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: do everything, view her body, get her from them dismartuary 371 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: where they had her, and I would go to the 372 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,719 Speaker 1: corner's office. She didn't even have a case name, they 373 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: didn't grew, they didn't even report her dead. I had 374 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: to do all of that. They didn't report her dead, 375 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: she didn't have a chase number, the more can't seen 376 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: her body nothing. I had to go find her. And 377 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: that's why I say he disguarded her body like she 378 00:26:49,200 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: was a piece of trash. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, 379 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: guys with me, is yournee Weaver. This is Keiana's mother, 380 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: and we have no idea what her family has gone 381 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: through and what her body went through during this procedure. 382 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: Just to get a big rare end like Kim Kay's, 383 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: It's it's kind of overwhelming, Doctor Bethany to hear the 384 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 1: heartbreak and the mother's voice, just to get a big 385 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: booty like the Kardashians. Have you gotta tell me something, Bethany, Well, 386 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: I mean the suddenness, the cruelty being cast into another 387 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: society in a morgen Tajuana. I mean it's it's so horrific, 388 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: and loss is horrific anyway, loss for the one year 389 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: olds thirteen year old. No mother should have to bury 390 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: her daughter. And for Kancy in Tiouana. There are two worlds. 391 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 1: And I recently took a friend to get dental work 392 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: in Tijuana. And so for your listeners, you can't find 393 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: a dentist out there in La that fixes all the 394 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: stars teeth. Well, let me tell you what motivated him, 395 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: because it might be a lesson to your listeners. And 396 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: by the way, he has clown teeth. Now they don't 397 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: look good at all. He has what but clown teeth? 398 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: They don't look good. That the dental work was bad? 399 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: Are you saying crown as in clown like a clown 400 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: in the rodeo that distracts the bull. You know, the 401 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: dental work was not good. So I lived two and 402 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: a half hours above the border. He found a place 403 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: called dent Art in Tijuana, and he wanted to give 404 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: veneers and that they're about I don't know. I think 405 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars of the near here in Los Angeles, 406 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: and they were like five hundred dollars of the near there. 407 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: When you drive over the border, you are just confronted 408 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: with all these huge billboards and ads for plastic surgery. 409 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: It's slick. It's like driving into Las Vegas. Then when 410 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: we stayed overnight in the hotel where all the clinics are, 411 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: there's a big gastronomic district with really beautiful restaurants. So 412 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: we went out to dinner the night before. I walked 413 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: into several clinics. They're slick. Everyone's wearing you know, you know, 414 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: they're all appropriately dressed as physicians and clinicians. After he 415 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: got his work done, we had a medical path so 416 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: we could get right back over the border. We didn't 417 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: even have to wait in line. So the whole situation there, 418 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: it's set up for plastic surgery. When I was sitting 419 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: in the waiting room with the dental office Nancy, people 420 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: were coming straight from the airport wheeling in their suitcases. 421 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: I mean there was one American after another. The place 422 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: was so crowded and everybody was breaking about how they 423 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: were getting inexpensive dental work, and there is sort of 424 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: an illusion that you're getting something for free. And you 425 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: asked me at the beginning of the show, you know 426 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: what drives people to do this. I think the bargain 427 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: is part of it too, Like I would be ripped 428 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: off in the United States, but I'm going to get 429 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: something for free down here in Mexico. But as I 430 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,479 Speaker 1: tell my patients, nothing in life is free. You always 431 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: pay one way or the other. Weaver was having a 432 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: LiPo and a tummy tuck. I want to go to 433 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: doctor Catherine Hannon, Board Certified Plastic Surgeon, Professor Plastic Surgery, Georgetown. 434 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: Doctor again, thank you so much for being with us. 435 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: I know that you're hearing this and your head must 436 00:30:54,320 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: be spinning understanding and hearing what happened to Keyana. And 437 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: it's very scary because people see these stars, they see 438 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: the reality stars they want to quote look like that 439 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: for whatever reason. But it sounds so slick. Doctor, What 440 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: should people be looking out for? Doctor Hannon? All surgery 441 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: is invasive and serious. There's nothing that is minimal when 442 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,959 Speaker 1: you're cutting into someone's body. And when you hear her 443 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: say invasive think of invade, something is invading your body, 444 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: this time a scalpel invade, a knife invading your body. 445 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: It's so true, and I think patients don't want to 446 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: know the gory details about what all happens in a 447 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: tummy touch for instance, or lifebo suction, but it is 448 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: we take our as surgeons as positions very seriously to 449 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,959 Speaker 1: do no harm. And it requires a good amount of training, 450 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: not a weekend course, not watching some YouTube videos on 451 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: how to you know where to make the incision line. 452 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: So there is risk of bleeding in affection with anytime 453 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: we essentially enter the body. Tummy tuck is a serious procedure, 454 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: even in the best of hands. In the United States, 455 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: for instance, one percent risk of blood clot with that procedure, 456 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: and so god knows what could happen with people who 457 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: don't know what they're doing. And isn't it show dodger 458 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: If you've ever had a blood clot like I did 459 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: when I gave birth. I had a lot of blood 460 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: clots stuck in my lungs, your suscept your more susceptable 461 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: to having more blood clots if you've ever had them correct, 462 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: and it's unclear if the patients like you get screened 463 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: and ask the appropriate question. But the most serious part 464 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: I would argue of all of this is that flying 465 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: is also a risk for blood clots. So patients then 466 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: go have these long procedures that laid them up the 467 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: bed for a while. Then they get on a plane 468 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: and the risk for a blood clot is immeasurably increased, 469 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: and they often end up in the emergency rooms here 470 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: in the United States when they when they come back. 471 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: I recently had a patient who had several surgeries out 472 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: of the country and developed a bloodlot while she was there, 473 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: and they treated her but not sufficiently, didn't give her 474 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: enough blood thinner. So she just left on her own 475 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: and got herself on a plane and came to the 476 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: emergency room here in the United States for treatment. And 477 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: you know, I'm glad she realized what was happening. I 478 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: had no ideas she knew. I couldn't breathe correctly. I 479 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: can barely breathe right. And then they found all the 480 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: blood clots. So blood clots are very very serious. Jo 481 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: Got Morgan, professor forensics and death investigator. Did you hear 482 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: Keana's mother, Renee describing the conditions where she found her 483 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: daughter's body. You've been in plenty of a wargs SFI 484 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: and the ones I've been in are completely pristine, completely 485 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,959 Speaker 1: And it's not like I hang around Morges, but I 486 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: had to go from my homicide cases. That was shocking 487 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: to me. What her mother said, Yeah, it is, and 488 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: it goes It goes to a bigger theme. How are 489 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: you going to treat the loved ones the deceased or deceased. 490 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: You know they're gone, but that image that's projected to 491 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: those that remain and that memory, can you imagine? And uh, 492 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: you know, I have to tell you, miss we were 493 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: My deepest condolences to you. The heartbreaks for you. Absolutely, 494 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: it's just heartbreaking. But that's something that is going to 495 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: remain with Miss Weaver for an extended period of time. 496 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: And to take it even a step further, this is 497 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,240 Speaker 1: something that is going to remain with these survivors as well, Nancy, 498 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: relative to the medical treatment they received. This is this 499 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: is going to impact how they are cared for in 500 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: the United States from now on. You know, they might 501 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,359 Speaker 1: be resistant to want to go receive medical treatment at 502 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: this point. And Davidson, partner of Diaz Rays International, joining 503 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: us at in Miami. This is his specialty, Gary Davidson. 504 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: What can be done? How does the long arm of 505 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: the law reach out and get this guy in Tijuana. 506 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: There's really only one realistic way to do that, and 507 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: that would be at the behest of the prosecutors down 508 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,879 Speaker 1: in the region. Um, this is not going to be 509 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: resolved in a good fashion, in a productive fashion on 510 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: the civil side of the law, which is where I 511 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: practice offensively um and convincing a prosecutor if they're reluctant 512 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: um to pursue it, convincing a prosecutor down there to 513 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,919 Speaker 1: move forward with a criminal investigation, which will, by the way, 514 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: reveal a whole series of facts and circumstances that are 515 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: not known at this points other victims, and the way 516 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: this gentleman conducted himself throughout the years, and his promotional activities, 517 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: his advertising, and the conditions of the clinic when when 518 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: the treatment was rendered, all of those things will become 519 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: part of the record in a criminal investigation and he 520 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: could be charged in Mexico. Unfortunately, on the civil side, 521 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: while it's possible to pursue the doctor in the clinic, realistically, 522 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: the ability to recover anything of significance moneywise in Mexico 523 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,479 Speaker 1: for this tragedy is not promising, and I'll tell you why. 524 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: I'm certainly no international lawyer, but to sue someone in 525 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,439 Speaker 1: the US, you have to have at least minimal contacts 526 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 1: in that jurisdiction. I can't just sue somebody in another 527 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: country here in the US. They've got to be doing 528 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: business here, be located here, have some anchor here in 529 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: the US to get a hold of him. Now if 530 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: he is advertising in the US or has the clinic 531 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: in the US. Maybe I want to go last to 532 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 1: Miss Weaver, Kiana's mother. Miss Weaver, when you wake up 533 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: in the morning and you think about your daughter now 534 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 1: gone because of this doctor and a plastic surgery trip 535 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: to Tiajuana, please tell us your message to other women 536 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:57,439 Speaker 1: considering this. Please just do your research, and every woman, 537 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:03,919 Speaker 1: I think, don't try to change yourselves for anyone. If 538 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: it's not for yourself, don't do it. Stay out of Mexico. Please. 539 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 1: I want to thank all of you for being with 540 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 1: us today on this very important topic, because you know 541 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: he's dying women. Women, some of the most vulnerable people 542 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: in our society are dying at the hands of Butcher's 543 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. God willing Nancy Grace Crime Story, 544 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: signing off good bye friend,