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Speaker 4: Good morning everyone, especially to Sager and Jenny, who is

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Speaker 4: recovering from the Eagles game. He was actually there, so

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Speaker 4: big congrats to Ryan and Sager.

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Speaker 5: Crystal Howard, Oh that's right, Ryan is an Eagles fan.

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Speaker 5: This is outrageous. This is outrageous.

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Speaker 1: Not good, it's good.

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Speaker 2: I was a long suffering Wa Washington football fan. I

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Speaker 5: So I hadn't watched.

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Speaker 2: Any of their games in like a decade, and then

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Speaker 2: I watched this one, and of course because I watched,

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Speaker 2: they lost. So I'm sorry everybody. I really blowed myself.

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Speaker 1: She really was beating herself up this morning.

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Speaker 2: I'm attest to that, and I'm a curse on every team, so.

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Speaker 1: At least you have some self awareness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so sorry, guys, I will stop watching again, don't worry.

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Speaker 2: Lots to get to you this morning, including we had

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Speaker 2: to add yesterday evening there was a big showdown between

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Speaker 2: the Columbian president and Donald Trump. Will tell you where

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Speaker 2: that stands this morning, over deportations on military planes. There's

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Speaker 2: actually a number of countries that are taking a lot

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Speaker 2: that down for You've also got some, you know, very

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Speaker 2: disturbing comments from Trump pushing ethnic cleansing in the Gaza strips,

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Speaker 2: so we'll break all of those details down for you.

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Speaker 2: And also the israelis really violating the cease fire agreements

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Speaker 2: party in Germany.

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you what he said.

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Speaker 2: Okay, more controversy about his political views.

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Speaker 5: Trump purged a.

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Speaker 2: Number of inspectors general, it appears to have been blatantly

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Speaker 2: I guess I would say by that, we're also taking

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Speaker 2: a look at This is maybe the most important story

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Speaker 2: of the day. A new AI development out of China.

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Speaker 2: They have now launched a competitor. A Chinese company launch

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Speaker 5: Called Deep Seek.

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Speaker 2: They did it for wildly less money and less what

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Speaker 2: to have Arnault bertrand join us to break down these

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Speaker 2: to have Andrew Callahan on of Channel five News. He

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Speaker 5: And what led him there and what.

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Speaker 2: He's all oft and he just sort of like digs

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Speaker 4: Yes, we absolutely are. It's fantastic and he will be

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Speaker 4: here later in the show. So Crystal, let's get started

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Speaker 4: with Columbia, because yesterday was a roller coaster for Colombians

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the TLDR is, you know, all of these

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Speaker 2: That's why I turned back US military planes that were

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Speaker 2: Colombia is respected. So Trump, wasting no time, jumps in

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Speaker 2: measures number one, and this is the most significant emergency,

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Speaker 2: In one week, the twenty five percent teriffs will be

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Speaker 5: From the US.

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Speaker 2: So he's offering the use of his presidential plane, again

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Speaker 2: underscoring that what was really objected to here was the

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Speaker 2: There were hundreds of these during the Biden administration. It

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Speaker 5: So that was really kind of the beef.

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Speaker 2: And then we have the next piece, which is a

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Speaker 2: Emily I would say they sort of match each other's freak. Yeah, Trump,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it's not entirely accurate, so do take it

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Speaker 2: with a grain of salt. But he says in part Trump,

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Speaker 2: Whitman and Paul Simon and Nome, Johny and Miller.

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Speaker 5: I don't know who Miller.

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Speaker 1: Is, do you. I'm not sure what he's going for.

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Speaker 5: I'm thinking not Steven Miller, probably.

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Speaker 4: Oh you know what, But what if it is? What

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Speaker 4: if this is his appeal to Trump.

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Speaker 2: That would be that would be a real anyway. At

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Speaker 2: overthrow me president, and Americas in humanity will respond.

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Speaker 4: But don't forget producer Max's favorite line, aybe one day

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Speaker 4: over a glass of whiskey, which I accept despite Mike aestritus.

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Speaker 2: We can talk frankly about this, but it's difficult because

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Speaker 2: you consider me an inferior race, and I'm not nor

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Speaker 2: as any Columbia. Anyway, the TLDR of this is that

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Speaker 2: he ends up also threatening retaliatory tariffs in response. That

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Speaker 2: of the things that we get from Columbia. But in

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Speaker 2: and also states Columbia's present continues to make the presidential

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Speaker 2: But second of all, you won what the ability to

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Speaker 4: Central America. Yeah, well, and he was saying, the effect

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Speaker 5: Oh absolutely right, and not just Colombia.

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Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent. And that's already a problem.

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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously it's the problem that Donald Trump says

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Speaker 1: So we'll see.

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Speaker 4: Obviously there's more to come on that, but I mean,

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Speaker 1: They were basically rioting to get off the planes.

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Speaker 4: They so badly did not want to go back to

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Speaker 4: But then you would also understand why the president, who's

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Speaker 2: Poor It's just a sense of disrespect because these are

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Speaker 2: certain instances like in Venezuela for example, of Venezuela does

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Speaker 2: the sanctions that we have imposed in the economic hardship there,

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Speaker 2: He doesn't want to frame him as criminals in the

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Speaker 2: So, whereas the Biden administration really wanted to kind of

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Speaker 2: Now, there were more migrants coming in, but Biden deported

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Speaker 4: Well, they're definitely going, I mean, and they've said that

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Speaker 2: So that's part of their you know, their theory and

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Speaker 4: has put a lot of people in those situations now

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Speaker 4: where they get into the country, they try to start lives.

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Speaker 1: Most of them have work permits, and.

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Speaker 4: The Trump administration and the Biden administration, if the Trump

442
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Speaker 4: administration takes people who are here legally through asylum expanded

443
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Speaker 4: asylum and deports them, that's disgusting. As much as they

444
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Speaker 4: may want to and as much as they may be

445
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Speaker 4: men who are abusing the system and people are being

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Speaker 4: used as mules, whatever, that's disgusting.

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Speaker 1: They're here legally.

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Speaker 4: You can you hear their asylum cases faster, and you

449
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Speaker 4: can be more stringent and hearing their asylum cases, but

450
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Speaker 4: they're not here illegally. The Biden administration made sure that

451
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Speaker 4: this was they they're actually really reclassified a lot of

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Speaker 4: this legal illegal immigration to legal immigration.

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Speaker 1: So they're here legally, and that's now going to be one.

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Speaker 4: Of the most difficult things for the Trump administration to

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Speaker 4: deal with because in the last a few years, a

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Speaker 4: huge proportion of the people who crossed the border, and

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Speaker 4: there were a lot of people crossing the border did

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Speaker 4: it through expanded asylum.

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Speaker 1: So good luck with that.

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Speaker 4: It's a totally different ballgame than just taking people out

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Speaker 4: who the cross the border illegally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So in any case, you know, the fight is

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Speaker 2: I guess sort of resolved for now, but an interesting

464
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Speaker 2: window into how things are going to go, how Trump

465
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Speaker 2: is approaching things, how you know, he's he sort of

466
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Speaker 2: has an interest in picking these kind of fights for

467
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Speaker 2: show and throwing the weight of the United States government around.

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Speaker 2: And so it looks like we have a resolution here

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Speaker 2: with Columbia specifically, But I don't think this issue of

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Speaker 2: upset and a sense of like the dignity of a

471
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Speaker 2: whole country being threatened by the use of these military

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Speaker 2: assets and the deportations and the treatment of you know,

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Speaker 2: Colombians or Mexicans or you know, people from hundred Doris

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Speaker 2: or whatever. I don't think that issue is going to

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Speaker 2: die down because you've already had a number of other

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Speaker 2: heads of state express their upset about it.

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Speaker 4: Last thought, actually it's just on Petro. It reminds me

478
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Speaker 4: a little bit going back to OMLO. Trump had a

479
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Speaker 4: very interesting relationship with Omlo, somebody who is like a

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Speaker 4: cause you know, Latin American politics are so interesting, and

481
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Speaker 4: they confuse our binary and interesting ways, like our left

482
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Speaker 4: right binary and interesting ways. Petro obviously is different than AMLI,

483
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Speaker 4: although they're not entirely dissimilar. And Trump loves those relationships

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Speaker 4: with other charismatic leaders. He obviously likes being able to

485
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Speaker 4: like stomp on other countries and it flex America's power.

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Speaker 4: But it is kind of interesting how he can get

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Speaker 4: on the same wavelength. And you were saying that Petro's

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Speaker 4: letter sort of matches the freak of Trump in terms

489
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Speaker 4: of like incredible like.

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Speaker 1: Press releases and tweets.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know, I mean, maybe this is a

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Speaker 4: beginning of an interesting relationship that Trump has with some

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Speaker 4: of these like genuinely charismatic and interesting features leaders in

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Speaker 4: Latin America.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, Columbia has long been sort of our strongest I mean,

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Speaker 2: because they mostly have had these like extremely right wing

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Speaker 2: governments that we you know, are very cozy.

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Speaker 1: With and drug cooperation.

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Speaker 2: Yes, very much though, and patrist is a real break

501
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Speaker 2: from the typical political mold. And Columbia was a big

502
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Speaker 2: deal when he was elected, et cetera. So in any case,

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Speaker 2: very unusual to have this kind of fight between the

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Speaker 2: US and Columbia, which has been a very reliable ally

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Speaker 2: for US in the region. All right, let's go ahead

506
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Speaker 2: and move to these Trump comments with regard to Israel

507
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Speaker 2: and Gaza, which are quite disturbing. I mean also just

508
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Speaker 2: quite overt the audio, and this is not great. He's

509
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Speaker 2: on the plane, he gets asked about, you know, what

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Speaker 2: he wants to do with regard to the Gaza. Strip

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Speaker 2: good and play this and then I'll tell you on

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Speaker 2: the other side if in case it's difficult to hear

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Speaker 2: the audio exactly what he said, too, General.

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Speaker 7: Of CC tomorrow sometime I've lived and I'd like Egypt

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Speaker 7: to take people. Don't like Jordan to take me if

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Speaker 7: I can. You're talking about rob million and a half people,

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Speaker 7: and we just clean out that whole thing. It's you know,

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Speaker 7: it's over the centuries. That said, many many conflicts, that's side.

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Speaker 7: And I don't know, it's something has to.

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Speaker 5: Happen, but.

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Speaker 7: It's it's literally a demolition side right now. Almost everything's demolished.

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Speaker 6: And people are dying there.

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Speaker 7: So I'd rather get involved in some of the Arab

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Speaker 7: nations and build housing at a different location where they

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Speaker 7: can maybe live in peace tempywhere either could be either

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Speaker 7: it could be temporarily, could be long term.

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Speaker 2: So the key quote there is he says he's going

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Speaker 2: to talk to General c.

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Speaker 5: C IF Egypt.

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Speaker 2: He says, I'd like Egypt to take people, and I'd

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Speaker 2: like Jordan to take people. You're talking about a million

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Speaker 2: and a half People's referring there to the entire population

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Speaker 2: of the Gaza strip and we just clean out that

534
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Speaker 2: whole thing. I mean, it's obviously brazen call for ethnic cleansing.

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Speaker 2: And you know, this couples emily with comments that both

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Speaker 2: he and Jared Kushner made about he kind of alluded to.

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Speaker 2: He's like, oh, it's a demolition site, and previously he

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Speaker 2: had said when he was in the Oval office, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's very interesting they have all this beautiful like you know, coastline,

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Speaker 2: et cetera.

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Speaker 5: Kushner had talked before about.

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Speaker 2: Waterfront development in Gaza, so you know, as a capitalist

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Speaker 2: real estate developer, he looks at Gaza, the Gaza strip,

544
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Speaker 2: and he sees dollar signs and says, let's just push

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Speaker 2: out all the people there entirely into Egypt and Jordan.

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Speaker 4: And he said, this is one of the the thing

547
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Speaker 4: is with Trumpet's like this was the most galaxy brain

548
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Speaker 4: like libertarians smoking pot in their dorm room approach to

549
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Speaker 4: the problem where you're like, oh, okay, so here's all

550
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Speaker 4: of this rubble, we need to clean it out. Using

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Speaker 4: the word clean, I mean, it's like you use the

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Speaker 4: word brazen. I think that's a great description. And he

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Speaker 4: says towards the end of this like answer that he

554
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Speaker 4: it could be temporary, it could be longer term, and

555
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Speaker 4: it's like, dude, your idea is to take people off

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Speaker 4: of the land that they have spilled so much blood

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Speaker 4: over the years to stay on because it means something

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Speaker 4: to them. The land itself is important to them. And

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Speaker 4: that's the most basic takeaway from what's happened over like

560
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Speaker 4: the decades that he references there and the many many

561
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Speaker 4: conflicts that he references theirs, it's specifically their homeland that

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Speaker 4: they care about, So.

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Speaker 1: It's just sort of. It's so so you're.

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Speaker 4: His realism like bumps into galaxy brain dorm room libertarianisms,

565
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Speaker 4: like this is actually not that smart, it's missing the

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Speaker 4: most basic reality of this.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm bumping into developer brain too. There's the profits

568
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Speaker 2: to be turned here, Like I just got to get

569
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Speaker 2: all these pesky people on, clean that out that whole thing.

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Speaker 5: That's what he says.

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Speaker 2: You're talking about a million and a half people, and

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Speaker 2: we just clean out that whole thing. You guys might

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Speaker 2: remember back kind of early after October seventh. I don't

574
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Speaker 2: remember exactly the time frame. I want to say it

575
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Speaker 2: was like a couple months in the Biden administration was floating, hey,

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Speaker 2: why don't, hey, Egypt, why don't we just you know,

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Speaker 2: open up the borders here and let Palestinians flow into

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Speaker 2: the Sinai desert and set up camps for them there.

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Speaker 2: And they were actively trying to like, you know, basically

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Speaker 2: bribe the Egyptians into accepting this. And obviously Jordan already

581
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Speaker 2: has a huge number of Palestinian refugees, has for years

582
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Speaker 2: and years. The Queen of Jordan is herself Palestinian, and

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Speaker 2: neither one of these countries wants to be party to

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Speaker 2: ethnic cleansing, not to mention that, you know, it's it's

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Speaker 2: quite would be quite a lot for Egypt, which is

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Speaker 2: already in kind of economic chaos, to take people in.

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Speaker 5: So they there.

588
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Speaker 2: Was a huge backlash to that idea from a variety

589
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Speaker 2: of sectors, and so they kind of dropped that whole thing.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, Trump just comes out and say's the quiet

591
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Speaker 2: part out loud that the basic plan what he would

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Speaker 2: like to see in effect here is a wholesale ethnic cleansing.

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Speaker 2: We have some additional Trump news here too from Axios

594
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Speaker 2: to put this up on the screen. So I don't

595
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Speaker 2: know if you guys remember there was this one shipment

596
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Speaker 2: of two thousand pound bombs that the Biden administration had

597
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Speaker 2: like as a token withheld out of concerns for how

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Speaker 2: they could be used in Rafa in particular. Now now

599
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Speaker 2: that there is this temporary ceasefire in effect, we've gotten

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Speaker 2: a better look at Rafa, And some of the Biden

601
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Speaker 2: administration cope was like, oh, well, we constrained them in

602
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Speaker 2: Rafa and didn't let them do what they really wanted

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Speaker 2: to do.

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Speaker 5: Wrong. Rafa is utterly destroyed.

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Speaker 2: But in any case, they did put this hold on

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Speaker 2: the shipment of two thousand pound bombs. And so even

607
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Speaker 2: the sort of like token signs of upset at the

608
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Speaker 2: way that Israel has conducted themselves in Gaza have been

609
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Speaker 2: rolled back by Trump, not just that, but also Emily.

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Speaker 2: You probably remember there were some like also token sanctions

611
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Speaker 2: put on a handful of extremist violent settlers that the

612
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Speaker 2: Trump administration has also now rolled back. So that is

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Speaker 2: very much the direction that they're going in. We can

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Speaker 2: put up Trump's truth about this this action. He says,

615
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Speaker 2: a lot of things that were ordered and paid for

616
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Speaker 2: by Israel but have not been sent by Biden are

617
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Speaker 2: now on their way. So certainly no qualms here about

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Speaker 2: shipping two thousand pound bombs or whatever else Israel wants.

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Speaker 2: And also, just to add one more thing to this,

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Speaker 2: the Trump administration issued in executive order putting a freeze

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Speaker 2: on all foreign aid with the exception of Israel. Yes,

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Speaker 2: no qualm there. Got to make sure that they're getting

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Speaker 2: everything that they want.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's about customer service, Crystal.

625
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Speaker 5: It's right.

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Speaker 2: You have to order something. You order the two thousand

627
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Speaker 2: pound bomb, you expect to get it.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's been having a lot of conversations with

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Speaker 4: Jeff Bezos, who knows more about customer service than anyone,

630
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Speaker 4: so he's prepared to fill his orders in a timely

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Speaker 4: fashion with great integrity.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know they want the prime service.

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Speaker 4: Yes, right, yeah, it will way be on two days

634
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Speaker 4: at this point, so he has a lot of ground

635
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Speaker 4: to make up for. But I mean, it's interesting to

636
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Speaker 4: see the freak out that you and Sager covered last

637
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 4: week about people like Dan Caldwell and others in Trump circles.

638
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 4: They did the same thing with Albert Colby, who have

639
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 4: somewhat heterodox realist views for the Republican Party when it

640
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Speaker 4: comes to focusing on the Middle East versus Asia, and

641
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 4: you have this like neo conservative hissy fit over these

642
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 4: people with different ideas coming in, or Steve Whitcoff, for example,

643
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Speaker 4: brokering the ceasefire deal, and then you have the sanctions

644
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Speaker 4: being lifted and the bombs being delayed. So honestly, Trump

645
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Speaker 4: has said some somewhat interesting things about the conflict, but

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Speaker 4: we have no indication of him significantly changing course other

647
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Speaker 4: than this eastfire deal, which no other Republican president would

648
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Speaker 4: have been coverable with. But if it's just that, if

649
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Speaker 4: it starts with that because he wanted the kind of

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Speaker 4: optics of ending the conflict. It's just that, and it

651
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Speaker 4: doesn't go any further than all the freak out was

652
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Speaker 4: for nothing from the neo cons Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, not only that, but Israel has expanded their war

654
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Speaker 2: aims to include the West Bank. And I know Ryan

655
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Speaker 2: and Jeremy over a drop Side have been doing a

656
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Speaker 2: great job covering that expansion, that deadly expansion in the

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Speaker 2: West Bank. There's been settlers who are rampaging and also

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Speaker 2: the IDEF backing up those settlers and you know, doing

659
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Speaker 2: raids in various villages in the occupied West Bank. So

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Speaker 2: one of the things that has long been speculated and

661
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Speaker 2: that you know, has been publicly reported, this is what

662
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Speaker 2: Maria Madison wants is for mass annexation in the West

663
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Speaker 2: Bank to occur under this Trump administration. I think you

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Speaker 2: should have every expectation that that is ultimately going to occur.

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Speaker 2: Another interesting development here out of Gosam we can put

666
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Speaker 2: this up on the screen, is so we had another

667
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Speaker 2: hostage exchange between the Israelis and Palestinians. And as part

668
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Speaker 2: of that, Hamas has really been coming out trying to show,

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Speaker 2: like you know, it's a real show of force. Here

670
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Speaker 2: is their propaganda video that they put out showing the

671
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Speaker 2: latest These were actually female soldiers for female soldiers IDF

672
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Speaker 2: soldiers who were released in this latest exchange. They you know,

673
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Speaker 2: show them here smiling and getting goodie bags and various gifts,

674
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Speaker 2: et cetera. But you know, again they're they're really trying

675
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Speaker 2: to show, look, we're still here. You didn't to feed us.

676
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Speaker 2: And by the way, Tony blancoln on his way out, said,

677
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Speaker 2: you know, we are. Analysis is that they recruited as

678
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Speaker 2: many new fighters as were killed during the conflict. So

679
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Speaker 2: certainly the fantasy, which we always knew was a fantasy,

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Speaker 2: that we're going to be able to thoroughly destroy Hamas

681
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Speaker 2: through military means has been completely disproven at this point.

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Speaker 2: And there again you see is the hostages, the Israeli

683
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Speaker 2: hostages being released.

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Speaker 1: They spent a little bit more time.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's a few.

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Speaker 2: You know, if Biden hadn't withheld that shipment of two

687
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Speaker 2: thousand pound bombs, I think that would have done that.

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Speaker 4: Hamas would have been gone forever. They were so close,

689
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Speaker 4: and you thorted it personally, it's cheerful, it's cheerful, but actually,

690
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Speaker 4: I mean, it is such a ridiculous argument, and it's

691
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Speaker 4: one that you're just expected to swallow whole cloth on

692
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Speaker 4: the right or even in the center, that if Biden

693
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Speaker 4: hadn't you know, been Truly the argument is that there's

694
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Speaker 4: some type of like Iranian cell operating within the deep

695
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Speaker 4: city of the American government and especially the Biden administration,

696
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Speaker 4: and they were taking every possible maneuver to make it

697
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Speaker 4: look like they were cooperating with Israel, but at the

698
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Speaker 4: same time we're thwarting Israel behind the scenes. And all

699
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Speaker 4: that you need to do is let Israel fight, Hamas

700
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Speaker 4: will be gone. You'll let them fight the world they want,

701
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 4: and Hamas will be gone. But it's such a it's

702
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 4: always from the very beginning, but an absurd goal. There's

703
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Speaker 4: no signs Hamas can be significantly they can be significantly defeated,

704
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Speaker 4: but like fully defeated. We've clearly seen that to be like,

705
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Speaker 4: there's no way that they're going to be able to

706
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Speaker 4: do that.

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Speaker 2: Violent resistance is going to be popular as long as

708
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Speaker 2: there is no peaceful alternative, Hamas is not going to

709
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Speaker 2: be defeated through Bomb's period. I mean, if this doesn't

710
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: prove that to you, I don't know what could. And

711
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: part of why Bibi did not ever want this bombing

712
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Speaker 2: to stop in Gaza is because when it does, you

713
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 2: have to reckon with that reality. And that's very difficult

714
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Speaker 2: for him politically, because he promised these maximalist goals that

715
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Speaker 2: Hamas would be eliminated, they would be eradicated, and obviously,

716
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Speaker 2: you know, in terms of that, they were very successful

717
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: in turning Gos into what Donald Trump describes as a

718
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Speaker 2: demolition site, and I think accurately.

719
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Speaker 5: So they're very successful.

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Speaker 2: At killing god knows how many people, orphaning tens of

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Speaker 2: thousands of children, creating mass numbers of amputees. They were

722
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Speaker 2: very successful at those things. But in terms of the

723
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Speaker 2: actual set out war aims, it was. This is manifestly

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Speaker 2: evidence that it was a dramatic failure.

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Speaker 4: And do you know who's going to be really susceptible

726
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Speaker 4: to Islamism radical Islamism is orphans?

727
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Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine, imagine you know, your only experience with this

728
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 2: country is them destroying your home, murdering your parents, you know,

729
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 2: creating all of this pain and trauma that doesn't exactly

730
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Speaker 2: typically lead people down a path of peace and harmony.

731
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Speaker 5: So and we know this from the past.

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Speaker 2: So in addition, there were some updates with regard to

733
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Speaker 2: this quote unquote temporary cease file fire.

734
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Speaker 5: We can put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: So over the weekend, the IDF was preventing Palestinians from

736
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Speaker 2: returning home.

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Speaker 5: To northern Gaza.

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Speaker 2: These are, you know, people who are traveling with their belongings,

739
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Speaker 2: trying to return to Northern Gaza. DF actually fired on

740
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Speaker 2: some of these people and killed at least one injured

741
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Speaker 2: a number of others. There's an update this morning that

742
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Speaker 2: apparently this morning Palestinians are successfully returning to northern Gaza.

743
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Speaker 5: Again.

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Speaker 2: This was a key part of this phase one, part

745
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Speaker 2: of the ceasefire deal. They were supposed to be allowed

746
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Speaker 2: to return to northern gazas so it does look this morning,

747
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: early indications are that that is actually happening. At the

748
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 2: same time, you'll recall there was a ceasefire deal with

749
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Speaker 2: Hesblah in Lebanon, and we can put this up on

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Speaker 2: the screen. They have been completely blocking Lebanese people from

751
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Speaker 2: returning to their villages. And this says fifteen killed, it

752
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Speaker 2: was actually twenty two people ultimately killed by the IDF.

753
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Speaker 2: At least one hundred and twenty wounded as the IDF

754
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Speaker 2: fired on these Lebanese civilians who are just trying to

755
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Speaker 2: return to their homes at the time that the ceasefire

756
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Speaker 2: agreement stipulated that they should be allowed to.

757
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Speaker 5: Return to their homes.

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Speaker 2: So, as far as I know, that block on people

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Speaker 2: returning home continues in Lebanon.

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Speaker 5: The Israelis are claiming.

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Speaker 2: That the Lebanese army isn't ready to take over their responsibilities.

762
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Speaker 2: But right now, as of today, you have the Israeli

763
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Speaker 2: army occupying a significant portion of southern Lebanon, with a

764
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Speaker 2: lot of questions over whether they ever intend to leave.

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Speaker 5: And they also continue to occupy.

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Speaker 2: Portions of Syria as well, so in addition to obviously

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Speaker 2: Gaza and the West Banks. So that's the current state

768
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Speaker 2: of affairs. And there's a stunning image that came out

769
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Speaker 2: of this confrontation between the Lebanese civilians trying to return

770
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Speaker 2: home and the IDF. We can put this up on

771
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Speaker 2: the screen, have this lone woman standing up to a

772
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Speaker 2: tank and trying to I guess argue with the IDF

773
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Speaker 2: soldiers inside, and you know, people watching on you can

774
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Speaker 2: see people there on the road trying to return home.

775
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Speaker 2: So and as I said before, that the idea fired

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Speaker 2: on some number of these people, killing roughly twenty two

777
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Speaker 2: and injuring over one hundred more. So both ceasefires are

778
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Speaker 2: really kind of I mean, the Lemones cease fire they've

779
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 2: just clearly brazenly violated. Honestly, the one in Gaza as well,

780
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: they've brazenly violated in terms of the letter of what

781
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 2: they're supposed to be doing. They're certainly not supposed to

782
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Speaker 2: be firing on civilians. They were supposed to allow people

783
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Speaker 2: immediately to be able to return to northern Gaza. But

784
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Speaker 2: so both really sort of already teetering on the brink.

785
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, absolutely, And if this Trump administration really is

786
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: so unconventional and Steve W.

787
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Speaker 1: Kofferly is just an enemy of.

788
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Speaker 4: Israel, surprise, this comes as a surprise to the people

789
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Speaker 4: of Gaza in the last couple of days.

790
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Speaker 5: Yeah, very much.

791
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Speaker 6: So.

792
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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to our friend Elon Musk fresh

793
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Speaker 2: off his your friend of course, of course, Yeah, he's

794
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 2: not really your type.

795
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I know, you guys are close.

796
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Speaker 4: I don't want to it's it's stolen valor really to

797
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 4: come in and act like you guys, go.

798
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Speaker 2: Here fresh off his awkward gesture, his awkward Hyle Hitler

799
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Speaker 2: esque gesture.

800
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Speaker 4: Sager and I very much are on the other side

801
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Speaker 4: of this one.

802
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Speaker 5: With you ryot yeah, oh yeah.

803
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Speaker 2: Hold on, though, I have to say even now, I

804
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 2: mean because like after he did the he has never

805
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: denied that he was trying to, like in a trollish way,

806
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Speaker 2: do this wink wink, nod nod thing.

807
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Speaker 1: He said he was throwing his heart to the crowd. Girl.

808
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Speaker 1: It was the next line of a speech. It would

809
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Speaker 1: be extraordinary.

810
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Speaker 5: It is twice Emily.

811
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think it would be extraordinarily stupid for

812
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Speaker 4: a man with billions and billions and bill millions of

813
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 4: dollars on the line to go out there do a

814
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Speaker 4: brazen Nazi.

815
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Speaker 5: He does a lot of brazen stuff.

816
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Speaker 1: He does a lot of Brazins stuff. He does a

817
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: lot of stuff does exactly makes sense.

818
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 2: Here's the thing that Okay, here's this. So in addition

819
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: to the AfD thing we're about to show you, which

820
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 2: I think I think bolsters my side of the case here.

821
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Speaker 2: Any reservation I had about whether this was intentional was

822
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Speaker 2: eliminated when first of all, he's posting on Twitter about

823
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Speaker 2: how much a troll he is, and he was sharing

824
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 2: that sceme of like the goose with like the thing

825
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 2: like there, and it's like the thing I'm not supposed

826
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Speaker 2: to do, you know that? And then he's doing that

827
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 2: thing he's not supposed to do, and it's like you

828
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 2: knew what you were doing, You one hundred percent knew

829
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 2: what you were doing. And you know, to me, whether

830
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 2: it's a quote unquote troll or whether it's like.

831
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 5: Done in earnest.

832
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Speaker 2: Given his politics and his support for the furthest right

833
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,959
Speaker 2: most reactionary forces in Europe in particular, I'm not sure

834
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Speaker 2: that it really makes all that much of a difference.

835
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Speaker 2: But in any case, he decided to speak again, I mean,

836
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: this is the thing that a troll would do. Fresh

837
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 2: off of this, Kyle Hitler con Germany decides to go

838
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Speaker 2: and speak to the far right reactionary a FD party

839
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Speaker 2: in Germany. Okay, so the scene of the crime, so

840
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 2: to speak, and tells this assembled audience that he doesn't

841
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: think that they should feel guilty for the Holocaust anymore.

842
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to how that went.

843
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 6: I'm very excited for the I F T. And I

844
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Speaker 6: think I think you are really the best hopeful Germany.

845
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 6: I think some things that something I think that is

846
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 6: just very important is that people take pride in Germany

847
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Speaker 6: and being German. This is very important. It's okay to

848
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 6: be proud to be German. This is a very important principle,

849
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 6: and it's proud. It's okay. It's good to be proud

850
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Speaker 6: of German culture, German values, and not to lose that

851
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Speaker 6: in some sort of multiculturalism. That that that that deludes everything.

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00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 4: You know.

853
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Speaker 6: I think there's like frankly, too much of a focus

854
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Speaker 6: on past guilt, and we need to move beyond that.

855
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 6: Children should not be guilty of the sins of their

856
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 6: parents or even let on their parents their great grandparents.

857
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Speaker 2: So you know, be proud of German culture, don't feel

858
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Speaker 2: guilty about the past. And I mean, whether you want

859
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: to call it guilt or not, I think it is

860
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,959
Speaker 2: appropriate to like, the whole thing is you never want

861
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Speaker 2: something like that to happen again, right, So to carry

862
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: some emotion around that and to keep fresh the lessons

863
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 2: and the warnings of the past, which should be lessons

864
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 2: and warnings that all of humanity takes in, because there's

865
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Speaker 2: nothing particularly distinct about the German people versus any other people.

866
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Speaker 2: We're all made of the same you know, good and

867
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 2: evil inclinations and tendencies. But yeah, I think I think

868
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 2: we should carry that forward. And obviously these are you know,

869
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Speaker 2: these are talking points that AfD wants to hear part

870
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Speaker 2: and parcel of their sort of like you know, their

871
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 2: right wing ideological positioning in Germany.

872
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 5: But again, you know, he.

873
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: Wanted to push the envelope coming off of the Heil

874
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Speaker 2: Hitler controversy and wanted to continue to kind of flirt

875
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Speaker 2: with this, and you know, I think does it quite

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Speaker 2: successfully here.

877
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 4: He's been flirting with AFT for a while because AFT

878
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 4: is genuinely so it's different than the other like reactionary

879
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 4: populist movements that have cropped up in that it came

880
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 4: about in the like I guess maybe this was like

881
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 4: the middle of Merkle's periods, like twenty thirteen, as this

882
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 4: libertarian like almost mela anti government type of party, which

883
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 4: is so different than other populist movements across Europe that

884
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 4: are reactionary and have this blend of like cultural reactionary

885
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 4: conservatism and then economic leftism. And so Elan has had

886
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 4: this like magnetic interest in AfD because it's anti immigrant

887
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 4: and also like very libertarian.

888
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: Very like right wing economics. It's not like the you know,

889
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: Li Pen or somebody who's like social safety net but

890
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: just for the French and keep on all the immigrants

891
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: kind of.

892
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: A deal, right, yeah, exactly.

893
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 4: So it's an interesting movement and it does thrive. I

894
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 4: mean AfD does have some legitimate it's not like a

895
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 4: smear to say that AfD has some extreme associations and

896
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 4: that's like actually been a legitimate problem for AfD. But

897
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 4: you know, I work for a British publication, so have

898
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 4: a little bit of context.

899
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: Like they thrive on.

900
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 4: It's kind of like Trump in a way, that criticism

901
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 4: of them and how bad their enemies are politically, that

902
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 4: like Germany is having such a hard time getting on track,

903
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 4: and AfD is able to then say we have to

904
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 4: totally close the borders and remigrate and blah blah blah,

905
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 4: and then the opposition is so hysterical and freaks out

906
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 4: about it that more and more people go to AfD,

907
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 4: and AFT keeps on growing, and so it's just this

908
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 4: awful doom spiral that's not unfamiliar to the rest of us,

909
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 4: and somebody needs to make Elon must stop being a

910
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 4: diplomat because he just is not a diplomat.

911
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: He is not a diplomat.

912
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 4: But when he's in this like random unpaid advisory position

913
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 4: for the US government, true and talking to foreign countries,

914
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 4: it carries the weight of diplomacy. Not that it wouldn't

915
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 4: given that he's like a zillionaire who has all of

916
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 4: these really powerful companies and military contractory, a starlink which

917
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 4: controls foreign conflicts and has influenced significant influence over foreign conflicts.

918
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 4: But like he's now basically speaking on behalf of the

919
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 4: US government.

920
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.

921
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: So it's like we're just all letting it happen and.

922
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: Back in characters like Tommy Robinson, who even Nigel Faraj

923
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I draw the line.

924
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 5: So yeah, there's some reporting.

925
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: I'm curious what you think about this, Emily, about some

926
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: upset within the Trump administration. I personally think the theories

927
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 2: about how Trump and Elon are imminently going to have

928
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 2: some major falling out, I just don't see it because

929
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 2: I think that they I think they really find this

930
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: to be both of them mutually beneficial.

931
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 5: Elon is taking actually a lot of heat.

932
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: His approval rating is plummeting in the US, which I'll

933
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 2: show you momentarily. Trump's is not, and he gets to

934
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: go in. And I mean, part basically why Pete Hedgsteth

935
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: got confirmed last week is because Elon Musk threatened to

936
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: primary Joni Ernst or anyone else who didn't fall in

937
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 2: line and has a bajillion dollars to make that threat reality,

938
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: so he doesn't even have to do it.

939
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,959
Speaker 5: And so for Trump, you know, Elon can.

940
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 2: Be very effective enforcer of whatever it is that he

941
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: ultimately wants to do. But put C two up on

942
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: the screen. There was some there was some reporting to

943
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: the indication that Trump's chief of staff Susie Wilde, who

944
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: he apparently calls the ice Maiden.

945
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: Did you know that? Amazing?

946
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 4: I think she's Joe Bennett from the office Kathy Bates character.

947
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 4: Oh really, yes, it's the Florida vibes.

948
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: It's immaculate.

949
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'll take your word for it. That

950
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: sounds that sounds correct. But in any case that she's

951
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: trying to limit us direct access. One of the things

952
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: that I had seen is that he is going to

953
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: take office space in the old Executive Office building, which

954
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 2: is adjacent to the West, but it is not actually

955
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: in the White House, and that he wanted, actually wanted

956
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: to be in the West Wing. And she was like,

957
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 2: that's not happening. But he's still plenty close to Trump.

958
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 5: Don't worry.

959
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: Then give up your business conflicts. If you want to

960
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: work in the West Wing, then divest.

961
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: Why should he when Trump himself has the greatest business

962
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: conflicts of you know, of old time.

963
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 4: He formally divested. But it's that's why it's like, yeah,

964
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 4: it's a joke.

965
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a total incomplete Joe. I mean, Elon is

966
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: one of the largest government contractors. Yeah, one of the largest,

967
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 2: has all kinds of regulatory disputes of our a legend,

968
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 2: labor and SEC violations and environmental violations. I mean massive, massive, massive,

969
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 2: unimaginable conflicts of interest.

970
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 4: But yeah, Starlink is a not insignificant part of the

971
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 4: Ukraine War.

972
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 5: That's that's true. Yeah, that's right, that's right.

973
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: Obviously, the NASA contracts with SpaceX are gigantic, so I

974
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: mean just massive amounts of conflicts of interest. We can

975
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 2: put this next piece up on the screen from Politico.

976
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 2: Trump's staff, furious after must trash's AI projects, Cleary's abused

977
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 2: the proximity to the president. But again, this is all

978
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 2: like staffers leaking to Politico and probably the most you know,

979
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 2: And there's no indication that Trump is furious, just that

980
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: the staff is furious, which makes sense because they, I'm sure,

981
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: put a lot of work into this big announcement, getting

982
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: these leaders there and doing the whole thing. This has

983
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: in reference to the five alleged five hundred billion dollars

984
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: Stargate investment effort, and Elon immediately goes out and is like,

985
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: they don't have the money.

986
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 4: Yep, Well because he's in an anti trust suit against

987
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 4: Sam Altman. Right, It's like, that's to this big question

988
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 4: about whether the Trump and Elon relationship ultimately implodes.

989
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think it's they both have way

990
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: too much on the line.

991
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 4: Like again, with Trump, this is a man who, via

992
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 4: Starlink and SpaceX, is controlling so much of the country's

993
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 4: domestic and foreign policy one man. Yeah, so he can't

994
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 4: really afford to blow up that relationship. Elon Musk certainly

995
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 4: can't afford to blow up that relationship because he has

996
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 4: now staked his entire reputation not just as a person

997
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 4: but as a businessman on Donald Trump as a leader

998
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 4: on Donald Trump, as a diplomat on Donald Trump.

999
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: And so that's.

1000
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 4: How high the stakes are for both of them to

1001
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 4: play nice with each other. It doesn't mean that they're

1002
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 4: not going to get incredibly annoyed. I think it's more

1003
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 4: likely that Trump gets annoyed with Elon Musk than the

1004
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 4: other way around.

1005
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 5: But like those Elon seems like a pretty annoying person.

1006
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he does.

1007
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 4: Those leaks are I feel like the Trump White House

1008
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 4: is either going to encourage them forever like quick and

1009
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 4: Elon's just going to have to get used to them,

1010
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 4: or if Musk is really sensitive, they're going to shut

1011
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 4: those down really quickly, and we'll find out in the

1012
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 4: next couple of months. But I mean, the relationship is

1013
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 4: just way too high stakes for either of them to bungle.

1014
00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 4: And yet Elon Musk continues to now go and you like,

1015
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 4: act as a as a diplomat and make policy by tweet. Yeah,

1016
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 4: as somebody who's not like a government, who has not

1017
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 4: divested up as conflicts of interest, cannot take a paid

1018
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 4: position with the US government because he hasn't done it,

1019
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 4: but is in this position of the US government. It

1020
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 4: means the entire arrangement is completely insane. And I think

1021
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 4: Trump thinks and Trump supporters think that it's the type

1022
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 4: of thing where a hundred years you look back on

1023
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 4: and you're like, this was brilliant, This was a gilded age.

1024
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 4: You know, JP Morgan saving America because you know, someone

1025
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 4: one of the presidents asked him to. And that's a

1026
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 4: hell of a bet. That's a that's a hell of

1027
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 4: a risk, and it's one that they're in it so

1028
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 4: deep right now there's no way really out of it.

1029
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 1: You can't really dig yourself out of this hole.

1030
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that's right.

1031
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 2: And obviously some parts of the MAGA coalition are very

1032
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: upset with the influence and sway of Elon, who they

1033
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: don't see as you know, an ideological ally of the

1034
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 2: like original MAGA view that broke out into the opinion

1035
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 2: with the h one P fight. But you know, Steve

1036
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 2: Bannon really been cooking with the with the Elon insults,

1037
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 2: calling saying that he called him evil. He said that

1038
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 2: white South Africans are the most racist people on the planet.

1039
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: I wonder if he agrees with me about the sigil salute.

1040
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: Oh that interesting, Yeasayden.

1041
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 5: But anyway, Well, I'll leave that at that.

1042
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 2: But the key quote from the piece on Politico was

1043
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,959
Speaker 2: the problem is regarding Elon, the president doesn't have any

1044
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 2: leverage over him, and Elon gets zero. The president has

1045
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 2: no leverage because he's the richest man on the planet,

1046
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 2: he owns a major communications platform, he has his own

1047
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 2: funning base of cult support, and you know, really and

1048
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 2: also he spent more than a quarter of a billion

1049
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: dollars getting Trump into office. So yeah, he feels like,

1050
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to do what I'm going to do and

1051
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: you're really not going to have any saying it. And

1052
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 2: that means like undercutting your announcement on Twitter. You're just

1053
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 2: gonna take it. And actually Trump did just take it.

1054
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: Let's go and play Eric if we can. Trump got

1055
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 2: asked about Elon undercutting him on the AI thing, and

1056
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: you know, he was very unruffled about it. He was like, yeah,

1057
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: well he hates one of the people involved, referring to

1058
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: Samul's and he says something funny, something very Trump like,

1059
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 2: I have certain hatreds too, So let's take a list

1060
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 2: to that.

1061
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 6: It bother you that Elon Musk criticized a deal that

1062
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 6: you made publicly that he said that he treated that.

1063
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 7: No, does he hates one of the people in the deals?

1064
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 4: Have him since then?

1065
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 5: No?

1066
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: No, well I've spoken Elon, but smoking.

1067
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 7: All of them actually people in the deal of very

1068
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 7: very smart people, but Elon one of the people. He

1069
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 7: happens toy. But I have certain hatreds of people too.

1070
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 5: I'm certain hatreds of people too.

1071
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: So it's so that was a classic Trump moment.

1072
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 4: I mean, just we all hate people that we do

1073
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 4: deals with, right, were adults about it, and we.

1074
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 5: Move on, move on.

1075
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,479
Speaker 4: He does have he has some leverage over Elon mus

1076
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 4: because clearly Musk has something, he has a lot at

1077
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 4: stake in his relationship with with Trump and the US government.

1078
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 4: And that's part of the problem is that he's expecting

1079
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 4: favors in return. But Musk obviously would have so much

1080
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 4: power even if he fell out with Donald Trump.

1081
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: I mean that's yeah.

1082
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: And we were talking about countries that have other places

1083
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: to turn, like, you know, to China, like Musk also

1084
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 2: can turn more to China. That's huge, yeah, because he

1085
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 2: has significant business relationships there and has really you know,

1086
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 2: gone on his way to cultivate I mean this was

1087
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 2: also important.

1088
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 5: You remember that whole.

1089
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 2: Spending bill fight that he and at that point Viveigue,

1090
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 2: who's now been excised from that kingdom. But in any case,

1091
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 2: that they picked over that spending bill, and one of

1092
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: the things that got pulled ultimately out of the spending

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00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,240
Speaker 2: bill was these restrictions on high tech investments in China

1094
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: because Musk didn't like that.

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Speaker 5: So he that is.

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00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 2: His agenda that was not originally Trump's agenda, but he

1097
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 2: was able to successfully get it through just by u

1098
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 2: using Twitter and throwing his weight around and threatening primaries

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00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 2: in that context as well. Last piece here put C

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00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 2: four up on the screen. So both Elon and Doge

1101
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 2: are not popular. They are really unpopular, and this Musk

1102
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 2: approval rating has dramatically fallen. I mean, Americans have sort

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00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 2: of it's interesting, Americans have a reflexive bias against I

1104
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 2: would say appropriate so not biased in a negative way,

1105
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 2: but against billionaires as a group in general, but specific billionaires.

1106
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 2: You know, they really buy into this. Oh they must

1107
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 2: have done something great and they made a great product.

1108
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 2: They must deserve what they got, et cetera.

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00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 5: Et cetera.

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00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 2: And Elon had a very positive approval rating until pretty recently,

1111
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: and now his approval rating is roughly that of Joe Biden.

1112
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 2: So disapproved is fifty two percent, so majority approve is

1113
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 2: only thirty six percent. So you're talking about about a

1114
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 2: third of the country that is still on board with

1115
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 2: this guy.

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00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 5: Doge also not popular.

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00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 2: I mean, you still have a good number of people

1118
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 2: in these numbers who were like, I don't really know

1119
00:55:58,440 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 2: what that is, and I haven't made up my mind,

1120
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 2: but it's underwater by ten points. You've only got twenty

1121
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 2: nine percent who are like yes to Doge, which to me,

1122
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 2: I'm actually kind of surprised about Emily because you know,

1123
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 2: the idea of like we're going to root out fraud,

1124
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 2: Like who could be against that? But because Elin has

1125
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 2: become such a toxic figure that you know, has sort

1126
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 2: of tanked the whole Doge project in terms of public perception.

1127
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 2: And then lastly, and I think this is the big

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00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 2: Achilles seal for the Trump administration if Democrats were able,

1129
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 2: slash willing to exploit it. Sixty percent of people think

1130
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 2: that billionaires advising the president is bad and only twelve

1131
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 2: percent say this is good. And when you compare, you know,

1132
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,280
Speaker 2: when you pair the Musk influence with all of those

1133
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 2: guys that were behind him on the DAYA Suckerberg and

1134
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 2: Bezos and all of these people that all these billionaires,

1135
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 2: four of the five richest people on the entire planet

1136
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: standing behind him at the inauguration. You know again, this

1137
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: is this is I think a real vulnerability ultimately for Trump.

1138
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, Trump thinks the world sees him

1139
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 4: as having co opted these CEOs and he can parade

1140
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 4: them around like trophies.

1141
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: And I don't think that's clear.

1142
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 4: You know, that's and sounds like what I just said

1143
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 4: is entirely obvious. But Trump thinks that people are seeing

1144
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 4: him as the conqueror of Silicon Valley as opposed to

1145
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 4: the conquered, and Silicon Valley understands that, which is why

1146
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 4: they are allowing Trump to kind of frame it that

1147
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 4: way and are being absolutely obsequious.

1148
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's yeah.

1149
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 4: And Trump, on the other hand, or they, I should say,

1150
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 4: Silicon Valley, on the other hand, has all of these

1151
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 4: plans actually to conquer the US government and to get

1152
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 4: these monopolistic contracts. Actually, interestingly, one of the things that

1153
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 4: Elan is fighting Sam Altman on is the Open AI

1154
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 4: relationship with Microsoft. Elan is trying to compete in the

1155
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 4: AI space and issuing them for monopolistic practices. And he's

1156
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 4: completely right that it's a monopoly. It's a government sanctioned

1157
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 4: monopoly essentially, and our relationship it's turning into like crony

1158
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 4: capital not turning into it is crony capitalism when it

1159
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 4: comes to AI. It's a crony industrial policy that is

1160
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 4: being paraded as this like Melay esque libertarian triumph and

1161
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 4: it's nothing of the sort at all. And so the

1162
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 4: American public, when you have sixty percent saying they don't

1163
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 4: like the billionaires, Trump still thinks he has room to

1164
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 4: operate with that because it looks like he's kind of

1165
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 4: he's on the same page. He's right, like, these guys

1166
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 4: aren't running the government. I'm running these mother efforts like

1167
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 4: they're answering to us. They're answering to the US. And

1168
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 4: his thing going forward is going to be whether the

1169
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 4: public sees him as the conqueror or the conquered, and

1170
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 4: that for him is going to be a challenge to

1171
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 4: make it look like he really won because these guys

1172
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 4: are getting a hell of a lot at the end

1173
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 4: of the arrangement, and increasingly more and more and more

1174
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:50,959
Speaker 4: so good luck.

1175
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that's that's absolutely right.

1176
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 2: I mean they're already getting you know, the five hundred

1177
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 2: billion dollar star rate thing is like they're putting up

1178
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 2: the money. It's not supposed to be public funds, but

1179
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: just getting that big White House announcement and all that access.

1180
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 5: Trump already rolled back.

1181
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 2: There were a few like modest AI safety type of

1182
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 2: things executive orders that Biden had signed, which we need

1183
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 2: to do way more, but at least it was something.

1184
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 2: He's already rolled those back. You know, they're doing their

1185
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 2: exploration about a digital asst reserve, which is just like,

1186
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 2: to me, so disgusting because, like I said before, imagine

1187
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 2: he puts the Trump and Millenia shit coins in the

1188
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 2: digital asset reserve.

1189
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 5: That means you and me and you are all.

1190
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 2: On the hook for pumping up the price of this

1191
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 2: just total like fake invented scam and many others. Besides,

1192
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 2: if it's a digital asset reserve, it could be any

1193
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 2: number of things that are.

1194
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 5: In that and all.

1195
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 2: I mean it's basically listen, Crypto is an even more

1196
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 2: unequal marketplace than the like general economy. There are a

1197
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 2: handful like a few dozen gigantic whales that own the

1198
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 2: overwhelming bulk of crypt currencies, and so they have a problem,

1199
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 2: which is that if they sell a bunch into the market,

1200
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 2: then it completely tanks the price and they can't pull

1201
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 2: out any like real dollars out of this ponzi scheme.

1202
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 4: Theoretically, they like to talk about theoretically the democratization that

1203
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 4: comes with crypto, but that's not in practice what's happening at.

1204
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 2: All, not at all, not at all, And with these

1205
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 2: meme coins, like there's not even a theory of that really,

1206
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 2: it's just like, yeah, it's just it's just anner.

1207
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 5: It's just it's it is a pyramids.

1208
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 2: It's just can I get more people to be greater

1209
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 2: fools than me and get in after meat and pump

1210
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 2: the price up. I mean, there's not even an illusion

1211
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 2: of Like the Bitcoin, there's some illusion of like, oh,

1212
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 2: this could be used for transactions and you know, evading

1213
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 2: sanctions is the use that I personally prefer for bitcoin

1214
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 2: as like the best use case. But with these there's

1215
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 2: not even like a theory of that of it being

1216
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 2: used or useful in any way other than just like

1217
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 2: Borzen speculations. So in any case, he is doing a

1218
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 2: lot for them he is, you know, taking any sort

1219
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 2: of breaks off in terms of AI development, and also

1220
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 2: well has I mean he removed Lenakhan, so and the

1221
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 2: guy that he put in is much less signaled to

1222
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 2: be much less aggressive in terms of anti trust enforcement. So,

1223
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 2: and they're all going to get a giant tax cut,

1224
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 2: that much is for sure. So they already have gotten

1225
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 2: a lot out of the deal. And I think your

1226
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 2: way of framing it, Emily is totally correct about it's

1227
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 2: going to all come down to whether Trump is seen

1228
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 2: as like the victor or the vanquished of these billionaires, right.

1229
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 4: And you know it's not just that he I think

1230
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 4: he understands. You know, a lot of people are arguing

1231
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 4: this this sort of basic point that it looks gross

1232
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 4: to surround yourself with all of these oligarchs. But I

1233
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 4: think Trump sees that differently. His perception of it is

1234
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 4: that he looks like he's taken over the men who

1235
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 4: opposed him at every step. And it's true, like Zuckerberg

1236
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 4: is a great example of somebody who poured a lot

1237
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,479
Speaker 4: of money into the twenty twenty election, and it wasn't

1238
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 4: with the goal of getting Donald Trump elected or getting

1239
01:01:58,400 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 4: as many.

1240
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: People to the polls as pop possible.

1241
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 4: It was you know, he supported Joe Biden, and here

1242
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,439
Speaker 4: Trump has him on his dais that is inauguration. It's

1243
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 4: not just about, you know, the proximity to power. It's

1244
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 4: about saying I own you now. But the public may

1245
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 4: not see it that way going forward, for the very

1246
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 4: reason that Trump was successful in the first place, which

1247
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 4: is that people hate billionaires and Trump came out of

1248
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 4: somebody who hated other billionaires.

1249
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: Good luck, yeah, so true.