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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Kyle Schwarber and welcome to The Philly Show. Hello, everybody,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Philly Show with Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury,

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Speaker 1: Todd Zolecki, brought to you by the Foul Territory Network. Guys,

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Speaker 1: It's Friday, September thirteenth, twenty twenty four. Big weekend at

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Speaker 1: the ballpark. How are you guys doing? First of all,

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Speaker 1: let's let's start with that. How are you guys doing today?

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Speaker 1: You guys doing good?

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Speaker 2: Doing well, buddy, great, big.

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Speaker 3: Day, Friday the thirteenth. Man, everybody, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Scary, scary, spooky. Get some spooky Mets fans coming down

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Speaker 1: this weekend. Y, watch your back, everybody. They'll get you,

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Speaker 1: they'll get you. It's fun. It should be a fun

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Speaker 1: week Know, Phillies Mets, they don't play a lot of

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Speaker 1: meaningful games in September against each other. It's very rare,

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Speaker 1: very rare. Two thousand and eight was probably the last

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Speaker 1: time down the stretch, Jim. I know you wrote about

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Speaker 1: it the other day, going kind of previewing this series,

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Speaker 1: looking back at O seven.

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Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's great. I actually love

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Speaker 4: when the Mets and Phillies are good. At the same time,

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Speaker 4: I love that rivalry more than any other rivalry, and

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Speaker 4: it's probably because the two fan bases are so vocal.

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Speaker 4: Actually think it's great theater. When the Mets fans invade Philadelphia.

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Speaker 4: I used to sometimes call Veterans Stadium Shay Stadium on

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Speaker 4: the Delaware back when they used to come to town.

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Speaker 2: So they and they were good.

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Speaker 4: So you know, the weekend condres memories of seven when

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Speaker 4: they because we have sixteen games left, and then there

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Speaker 4: was seventeen games left and the Phillies chased down the Mets,

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Speaker 4: and the Mets flopped in seven and kicked off that

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Speaker 4: great Phillies run of five years. Though it's a lot different.

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Speaker 4: The Phillies have an eight game lead. They're not going

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Speaker 4: to squander this. There's no way they're going to the postseason.

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Speaker 4: That said, both teams have a lot to play for.

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Speaker 4: Phillies are trying to wrap up the East, which they will.

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Speaker 4: They're trying to wrap up the best record in baseball

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Speaker 4: for home field advantage, which you know, the Mets are

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Speaker 4: gonna have a lot to say about because the Phillies

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Speaker 4: played them seven times in the final sixteen games. So

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Speaker 4: the Mets could scuttle that for the Phillies. But the

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Speaker 4: Mets are trying to get that last wildcard spot and

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Speaker 4: they've overtaken the Braves and the Phillies could you know,

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Speaker 4: cause the Mets some havoc as they try to make

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Speaker 4: the postseason in a year when they were expected to rebuild.

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Speaker 4: So it's kind of a bonus for the Mets. A

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Speaker 4: lot of good theater this weekend and in all seven

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Speaker 4: games I'm sure over the final sixteen as the Phillies

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Speaker 4: play the Mets.

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Speaker 3: Great series in that, for me, you have a totally

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Speaker 3: different Mets team as far as mojo, talent, the way

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Speaker 3: they're playing that they faced early in the season. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: Phillies up four to two on the series so far,

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Speaker 3: but important games probably a little bit more important for

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Speaker 3: the Mets than it is for the Phillies, I think,

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Speaker 3: just on the overall the bigger picture. That said, it

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Speaker 3: also will give us a really good idea as to

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Speaker 3: how Phillies measure up to the Mets right now when

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Speaker 3: they're playing well and vice versa, and you get a

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Speaker 3: little bit of a feel for the you know, little

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Speaker 3: pre playoff baseball before the playoffs actually start. So it's

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Speaker 3: kind of cool and yeah, yeah, it'd be good to

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Speaker 3: see how it all works out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, both teams come in playing well. Phillies have won

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Speaker 1: fourteen out of eighteen. I think Mets have won eleven

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Speaker 1: out of thirteen. Jim, like you said, the Phillies are

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Speaker 1: up eight with sixteen to go. They're not going to

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Speaker 1: blow this. This is not the sixty four Phillies. This

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Speaker 1: is not the two thousand and seven Mets.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: Fangrafts I love looking to postseasons just because it's fun

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Speaker 1: to look at. Fangrafts has the Phillies a ninety nine

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Speaker 1: point four percent chance to win the Division, ninety six

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Speaker 1: point eight percent chance to get a buy that's one

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Speaker 1: of the top two seeds. A one hundred percent chance

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Speaker 1: to make the playoffs. I would put my mortgage on

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Speaker 1: that for sure. Interesting they they do World Series odds

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Speaker 1: odds to win the World Series. Phillies thirteen point three

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Speaker 1: percent chance to win the World Series, Dodgers nineteen point eight,

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Speaker 1: Yankees fifteen point six. Kind of interesting.

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Speaker 3: I'm not you know, I like the Dodgers, but I

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Speaker 3: don't love the Dodgers. They're bullpen compared to the Phillies.

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Speaker 3: And their rotation compared to the Phillies. I'm sorry, I

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Speaker 3: don't know, I don't I disagree with that.

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Speaker 1: I know Yamamoto's back, but that helps. But yeah, I know,

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Speaker 1: I I agree with you guys. I was like third interesting, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, dude, I mean leaving how cool would a Mets

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Speaker 4: Phillies playoff series be?

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Speaker 2: You know it?

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Speaker 1: Awsoble It's possible, right, you know the Mets.

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Speaker 2: I mean they come into town, you know, Friday night.

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Speaker 4: What a win they had the other day because their

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Speaker 4: offense have been a little shaky for two or three days,

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Speaker 4: and then you know, now they're getting no hit on

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Speaker 4: Wednesday in Toronto through eight innings, and you know, Lindor

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Speaker 4: is putting up MVP type credentials and Francisco Alvarez it's

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Speaker 4: a three run home run. The night thinning they break

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Speaker 4: up the no hitter, they rally for six. That's the

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Speaker 4: kind of win that can really fuel the team down

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Speaker 4: the stretch. And but if they managed to get into

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Speaker 4: the postseason, I think it's a remarkable feat great surge

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Speaker 4: here in the second half, and it makes me fantasize

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Speaker 4: about a about an Amtrak sort of playoff series between

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Speaker 4: these two teams and these two fan bases.

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Speaker 2: I think it would be really fun.

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Speaker 3: That would be fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be a lot of fun to have

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Speaker 1: these two teams going at I mean, like you just mentioned, Jim,

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Speaker 1: the fan bases too. You know, you having it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be allowed, It's gonna be obnoxious. You know, there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a lot of let's go Mets, chance, a lot

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Speaker 1: of booze. So know, Phillies can kind of set themselves

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Speaker 1: up to clinch and have a champagne celebration early next

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Speaker 1: week if they would go out and just throttle the Mets.

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Speaker 1: I think what's the magic number at like nine or something.

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Speaker 1: They think they would sweep the Mets or something. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they can get it down.

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Speaker 4: Rubin coached for the Mets. Compare and contrast briefly the

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Speaker 4: two fan bases. I know a lot of similarities. Give me,

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Speaker 4: give me one way they might differ.

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Speaker 3: You know, they are interesting, They're both very passionate about

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Speaker 3: their teams. I would actually, I actually think that the

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Speaker 3: fan base with the Phillies, at least right now, I

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Speaker 3: think that they are much more connected to the team

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Speaker 3: than the Mets fans connection to their team. I think

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Speaker 3: there's a symbiosis with the Phillies and the Phillies fan

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Speaker 3: base and the Phillies players an organization or just it

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Speaker 3: just seems tighter. I don't believe that the Mets fans

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Speaker 3: that makes sense, And.

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Speaker 4: The Mets haven't drawn like particularly well up there this year.

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Speaker 4: There does seem to be like some you know, distrust

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Speaker 4: and whether this is real, whether they should buy in.

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Speaker 4: But we're gonna know a lot more, you know, after

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Speaker 4: this weekend and yeah, next week, and.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure Mets fans will will have an excuse for

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Speaker 1: this or a reason for this. But remember a couple

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Speaker 1: of years ago, they they lost the division to the Braves.

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Speaker 1: They both won one hundred games, and then they got

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Speaker 1: to Game three of the NL Wildcard Series. They didn't

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Speaker 1: even have it wasn't even sold out. I don't think

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Speaker 1: I don't think they filled out that ballpark. I am

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Speaker 1: I remembering that, right?

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Speaker 3: I think you're right? Yeah yeah, and then they got

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Speaker 3: knocked out. I mean yeah, yeah, So so there you go.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's going to happen in Philadelphia. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I do not think so either.

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Speaker 2: People live for playoff anything around here.

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Speaker 3: No doubt for all of it, hungry for all of it.

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Speaker 1: And we're back. I went. I went up to Josie

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Speaker 1: or she's like seventeen mins and said, listen, we're doing

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Speaker 1: the Todd pod right now. Lock it up, light it up.

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Speaker 7: We're trying to talk about gave her the heavyhead of

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Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm trying to be professionally here at home. Actually,

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Speaker 1: this is good. This is a good segue and unplanned

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Speaker 1: Ruben's got Spectrum, Jim's got Connie Mack. And this is

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Speaker 1: why I say it was a perfect unplanned segue because

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Speaker 1: this quote, it comes from Nick Castiano's from Tuesday Night.

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Speaker 1: He says, you're frustrated and you're gonna throw at somebody.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's like my two year old throwing a

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Speaker 1: fit because I take away his dessert before he's finished.

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Speaker 1: And then Rob parent from the Delco Times goes, have

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Speaker 1: you actually done that? He goes, of course, Otto has

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Speaker 1: just thought the one quote from Nick coming off that

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Speaker 1: we'll touch on this real briefly. So the picture then

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Speaker 1: the next day or it comes out that the interpreter

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Speaker 1: kind of messed up what to say. It is said

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Speaker 1: after the game he said change up. Remember that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and say change up. What he said was he said

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Speaker 1: was I was trying to throw inside to give my

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Speaker 1: change up a little bit more effectiveness. He did not

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Speaker 1: say I hit him with the change up.

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Speaker 3: Might get that's a big difference.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a big difference. That's a big difference. That

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Speaker 1: could have been Quota of the Week as well. But

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Speaker 1: you know, there you go.

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Speaker 2: Either way.

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Speaker 1: He was full of crap, right, I mean, he threw

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Speaker 1: in me, come on, Kevin Cash. Kevin Cash came over

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Speaker 1: after that game onto on Wednesday afternoon on the field,

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Speaker 1: sought out Nick Castianos and apologize and said, listen, you

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Speaker 1: know that happened. It shouldn't have happened. It won't happen again.

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Speaker 2: I was like, Holy Christ, we're gonna end up winning

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Speaker 3: And I mean it was crazy and uh. And then

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Speaker 4: I just remember the rally towels people were There were

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Speaker 2: People shaken him.

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Speaker 4: I remember the lint there were the linch coming off

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Speaker 2: And it was like easy you could see it floating.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember that. I know that's that's that's a

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Speaker 3: That's great observation, James.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have him in my lungs now.

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Speaker 3: So you're gonna sue somebody. You're gonna sue somebody.

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Speaker 1: That's why, that's why I haven't felt good in the

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Speaker 2: Correct about it.

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Speaker 3: Just now kids have embarrassed him into it.

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Speaker 1: But that was a lot of fun. So what do

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Speaker 3: Could I think it's going to be Alar. Probably right,

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Speaker 1: Lindor has been playing great. There's a lot of talk,

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Speaker 4: He's doing it on both sides of the ball. I mean,

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Speaker 4: And that's kind of what they expected when they brought him.

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Speaker 3: They got a pretty good staff over there. Gibbe is

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you why I was losory, because everybody

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Speaker 1: group of guys that were like, all right, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: pull out of this.

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Speaker 3: This is a team.

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Speaker 1: It seemed more of that, all right, we're the Matt Solis.

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Speaker 3: No great no great leadership anywhere anywhere, either in the

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Speaker 3: front office, the ownership. They just didn't have great leadership

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Speaker 3: across the board there when I was there.

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Speaker 2: And then they let Zach Wheeler walk.

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Speaker 1: That was cost.

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Speaker 3: And then and then made comments about him, I mean

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Speaker 3: she and then they had like a verbal joust in

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Speaker 3: spring training, like really, come on, dude.

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Speaker 1: What was the quote that Brody van Wagon and had.

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Speaker 1: It was something like, I'm glad he I'm glad we

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Speaker 1: allowed him to parlay two strong second halves into one

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollar count. It was something like that, right,

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Speaker 1: It was something like that. Yeah, Yeah, it was weird. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was definitely weird. When I ask you guys about

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Speaker 1: the Phillies bullpen, They've been pitching great lately, but Jose

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Speaker 1: Alvarado's really kind of dialed it in, and you know,

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Speaker 1: talk to him the other night. He says he's got

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Speaker 1: a clear mind now. He since he came back from

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Speaker 1: being on the restricted list looked really good. I think

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Speaker 1: seven strikeouts, one walk, five scoreless sittings, maybe one hit allowed.

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Speaker 1: If Alvarado's doing what he's doing in the bullpen, Man,

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Speaker 1: now you're five d and Rob Thompson almost has an

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Speaker 1: embarrassment of riches. And I know that can change on

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Speaker 1: the dime and whatnot. But you think back to the

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Speaker 1: NLCS last year where Kimberro was strugging, Kirkering was kind

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Speaker 1: of shaky. You couldn't trust so too at all, Domingas,

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Speaker 1: you really couldn't trust that much. You're basically just leaning

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Speaker 1: on you know, Strom and Hoffman. Boy, if they can

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Speaker 1: have all five of these guys throwing the ball well

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Speaker 1: going into the postseason, what a nice thing that they

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Speaker 1: that they will have.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the timing of them kind of coming together

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Speaker 4: with their performance is just exceptional. Perfect timing here with

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Speaker 4: you know, October just being so close so and really

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Speaker 4: promising to see Alvarado, like you said, getting it together.

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Speaker 4: Kirkering has been. He's really improved and taking a step toward,

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Speaker 4: you know, being a real dude out there, I mean

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Speaker 4: a legitimate kind of almost the elite level.

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Speaker 3: Really impressive and you gotta love it for Rob Thompson,

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Speaker 3: who sort of manage these guys really well think and

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Speaker 3: it's just it would just be huge for Alvarado to

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Speaker 3: get back to where he was. I mean, let's think

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Speaker 3: about where he was a couple of several months ago

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Speaker 3: and in an early part of the year last year.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he was one of them most dominant bullpen

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Speaker 3: guys in baseball, Like, he was untouchable for a while.

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Speaker 3: And if he gets close to that and he's starting

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Speaker 3: to see those signs bounce back, you're talking about as

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Speaker 3: deep a bullpen as you could possibly imagine with the Strom, Kirkering,

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Speaker 3: Steves Hoffman and Alvarado. And let's talk about Ruiz.

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Speaker 7: He's been deal well, he's been outstanding. I mean, these

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Speaker 7: all become trust guys. When you have six trust guys,

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Speaker 7: I don't know that there's a better bullpen out there

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Speaker 7: that have. If you have six guys you can hand

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Speaker 7: the baseball with a lead and feel.

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Speaker 3: Comfortable about that. That's that's that's a lot. And so

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Speaker 3: again you're right about that, Jim. It can change pretty quickly,

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Speaker 3: because it's followed bullpends are volatile. But that said, I

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Speaker 3: like what they got going on right now. And boy

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Speaker 3: boil boys become deep.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber and JT could be back in the lineup tonight.

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Speaker 1: That's at least what Rob Thompson indicated the other day.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on with Alec Boham. They

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Speaker 1: Rob said on Tuesday afternoon Alec was going to hit

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Speaker 1: in the cage using a regular bat, and then I

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Speaker 1: guess he did and he still felt pain in the hands.

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Speaker 1: So he was going to hit off with a shortened

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Speaker 1: bat on Wednesday. So we'll see what's going on there.

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Speaker 1: But that things really lingered a lot longer than anybody thought.

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Speaker 1: They thought he was gonna be back last weekend against

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Speaker 1: the Marlins, and he still you know, they ended up

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Speaker 1: putting him on the injured list, so still got enough

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Speaker 1: time to get to get back in shape before the postseason.

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Speaker 2: I'm so tall.

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Speaker 4: I mean every every time you made contact, I mean

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Speaker 4: that you feel that impact throughout your whole hand, and

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Speaker 4: if it's if it's not one hundred percent pain free,

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Speaker 4: I mean subconsciously you're kind of wincing as you're making

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Speaker 4: contact and you're not going to drive the ball. It's

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Speaker 4: it's they need him back and he needs to see

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Speaker 4: some pitches, but first it's going to get pain free.

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Speaker 4: It's a until you see him out there, it's a concern.

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Speaker 3: Right, I totally agree to think about it. He's there,

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Speaker 3: four hole hitter. Now that's been assuaged a little bit

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Speaker 3: because Castianos is out there playing well and protecting you know,

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Speaker 3: Bryce Harper right now, and who is going to protect him?

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Speaker 3: And we know it's a big question in the early

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Speaker 3: part of the season who's going to protect Harper And

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Speaker 3: it ended up being Alec Bohm, who's outstanding, and then

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Speaker 3: castiano has moved into that role because he's been really,

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Speaker 3: really good in Alec Bohm's absence. But yeah, they need

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Speaker 3: Alec back and they need him at one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: And it's a trust issue for him because it's different.

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Speaker 3: You're you're adrenaline. The way you swing the bat. The

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Speaker 3: aggressiveness with the way you swing is not even close

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Speaker 3: to batting practice swings batting practice and facing live pitching

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Speaker 3: in the major leagues. You do things differently with your

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Speaker 3: body and your hands, and you know, hands and feet.

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Speaker 3: We talked about this before. Hands and feet. If they're

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Speaker 3: not right, you're not right.

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Speaker 1: And that's why it's concerning because he's just taking BP,

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Speaker 1: you know, in the cage, and he's still feeling pain

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Speaker 1: in the hands, so he's not taking a legit full rip.

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Speaker 1: Let's fen it. We had a bunch of questions. We

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Speaker 1: did a bunch of questions on Wednesday. There's one rubin.

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Speaker 1: This question gets asked every week and I keep forgetting

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Speaker 1: to ask you it. But John Carson on Instagram, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's asking a bunch of times

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Speaker 1: or a bunch of people have asked it. They want

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Speaker 1: to know what was your hardest decision as general manager?

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Speaker 1: It's come up so many times like I just got

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Speaker 1: to we gotta ask you that. So seems like a

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Speaker 1: lot of people want to know where your hardest decision

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Speaker 1: was as general manager.

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Speaker 3: Trading Chase Utley. Trading Chase Sutley was a really really

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Speaker 3: difficult one because he's meant so much as a leader.

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Speaker 3: The question was and what was that was one? And

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Speaker 3: what you know, what what we were going to do

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Speaker 3: with Jimmy Rollins because we were coming up on the

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Speaker 3: contract situation with him after his long term and so

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Speaker 3: those two, those were those two were tough. I had

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Speaker 3: a lot of tough decisions. The other one was Charlie Manuel.

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Speaker 3: I mean, dude, Ian, not in a million years did

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Speaker 3: I want to be the guy that, like, you know,

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Speaker 3: removed Charlie Manuel from his position. So there's just a

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Speaker 3: lot of them, I think on my heartstrings and my

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Speaker 3: own personal for my own personal uh uh emotion, Charlie

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Speaker 3: Manuel was really really tough, and people were like talking

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Speaker 3: about the fact that, you know, my tears were fake

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Speaker 3: or whatever. Oh my god, dude, I could not. I

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm an emotional guy anyway, But for me

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Speaker 3: to have to do that with Charlie was that was

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Speaker 3: a really tough one. Man. That was as tough as

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Speaker 3: it gets for me personally.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean everybody loves Charlie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I just felt like it was the right

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Speaker 3: thing to do for him because he was having a

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Speaker 3: really having a Yeah, he was having to manage it

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Speaker 3: like a shitty team. I mean, let's let's let's call

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Speaker 3: a spade a spade, right, and uh And I didn't

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Speaker 3: want him to have to go through that, And I

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Speaker 3: think it was important for for for his legacy to

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Speaker 3: be different. So I don't know, I probably would have

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Speaker 3: done things differently, maybe just waited toil the end of

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Speaker 3: the season or what have you. But I felt like

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Speaker 3: I almost felt like he was suffering a little bit,

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Speaker 3: and I didn't want him to go through that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Philly's Mets this weekend. One of my neighbors is

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Speaker 1: a lifelong Mets fan, grew up in Long Island. He's

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Speaker 1: going to the game on friend and I said, you

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Speaker 1: better watch your mouth. He said, don't worry. I don't

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Speaker 1: say anything when I go as a Mets fan. I said, smart.

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Speaker 2: Should be.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: You know, well, if the Mets one two out of

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Speaker 3: three or they sweep, they're gonna be doing a lot

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Speaker 3: of shit talking man, oh my god, blah blah.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no doubt about it. It's it'll be a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. So we'll be back on Monday. We'll

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Speaker 1: wrap it up, and uh, we'll wrap up that series,

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Speaker 1: review that series, and then look forward to a three

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Speaker 1: in Milwaukee and then four more in New York and

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Speaker 1: next week they could be popping champagne and celebrating their

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Speaker 1: first Division title since twenty eleven. We don't know what

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Speaker 1: we say that will be, but should happen sometime next week,

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Speaker 1: I would think.

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Speaker 2: Smart Lady boys Jim.

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