WEBVTT - Carnival CEO Discusses Mandated Vaccines

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Messer and

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Quick Takes Tim Stinovic on Bloomberg Radio. Arnold Donald

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<v Speaker 1>is with us and he joins us on this Wednesday. Arnold,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, great to have you here with us. Hi, Carol,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you everything going well? I'm doing okay, doing

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<v Speaker 1>doing well, hanging in there. Um, tell me about you

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<v Speaker 1>because and tell me about Carnival, because I have to

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<v Speaker 1>say I was pulling together my notes last night and

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<v Speaker 1>then I kind of woke up this morning. I had

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<v Speaker 1>to certainly tweak them. Uh. Tell me about the CDC

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<v Speaker 1>now possibly offering to or allowing ships to be out

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<v Speaker 1>and running by midsummer. What's changed with the CDC and

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<v Speaker 1>what are the restrictions that are going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>happen in order for that to actually come to come

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<v Speaker 1>to fruition. What you might recall, Carol, the CDC, I

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<v Speaker 1>think last October issued a conditional sale order and they

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<v Speaker 1>came out and phases. The first phase was bringing ships

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<v Speaker 1>back in the US waters and its primarily with minimal

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<v Speaker 1>crew on board. We've finished that phase of it. In

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<v Speaker 1>terms of Heaven and ourselves. Thirty ships that are currently

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<v Speaker 1>in green status. They issued UM on April two, UM

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<v Speaker 1>the next phase UH, and frankly, what has been issued

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<v Speaker 1>UM doesn't give us a specific time and to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to return UM UH and also was really not

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<v Speaker 1>workable in the current form. But again it just came

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<v Speaker 1>out and we have an opportunity to discuss with the

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<v Speaker 1>CDC any administration UM to make certain that we do

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<v Speaker 1>have something that's workable and hopefully that would allow us

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to seal in July. And we're hoping

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<v Speaker 1>it will be something that's more in line with the

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<v Speaker 1>advancements of vaccines that's occurred in the rapid advancement of

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<v Speaker 1>the vaccines that amonistration has been so successful with, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as the advancement and treatments and investments and rapid testing,

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<v Speaker 1>none of which existed when the original conditional Sale Order truth.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're hopeful that we'll be able to meet with

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<v Speaker 1>the administration and CDC and and come up with something

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<v Speaker 1>as practical and will allow people to return to their

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<v Speaker 1>choice of vacation travel and get a whole lot of

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<v Speaker 1>Americans back to work. As you know, Carol, but half

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<v Speaker 1>million people impacted in the US in terms of jobs

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<v Speaker 1>associated with the cruise industry outside of the cruise companies themselves. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it affects a lot of other jobs and other industries

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<v Speaker 1>connected with the cruise U cruise industry. Hey, one thing

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta ask you, Arnold, is how much of Carnival

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<v Speaker 1>threatening to relocate their ships to other markets outside the

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<v Speaker 1>United States? Do you think was the reason for the

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<v Speaker 1>CDC change, Because it was just a few days ago

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<v Speaker 1>that they came out, you know, and we're still kind

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<v Speaker 1>of holding firm what happened. What were the conversations that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you, you and other members of the cruise line

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<v Speaker 1>industry had with the CDC. There was no threat or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a practical reality that if we're not able

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<v Speaker 1>to seal from the US um and and some months

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<v Speaker 1>soon we would have to sail from elsewhere. And so

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<v Speaker 1>some of the ships what homeporting, and a number of

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<v Speaker 1>companies have already announced homeboarding ships that normally would have

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<v Speaker 1>been sailing out of the US homeporting from different places

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<v Speaker 1>in the Caribbean. But it's not a threat or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a natural outcome of not being able to

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<v Speaker 1>sail um you know, from the U S I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure anything has changed, perhaps it has. I haven't heard

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<v Speaker 1>directly from the CDC or the administration anything has changed.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that they genuinely believe the uh information they

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<v Speaker 1>put out might allow some limited sailing as early as

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<v Speaker 1>July uh and so we'll have to discuss that with them.

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<v Speaker 1>In our timeline son't quite match up with that, but

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we don't understand everything. So the CDC has a

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<v Speaker 1>job to do. They're trying to do their job. I

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<v Speaker 1>think as long as we work together with the CDC

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<v Speaker 1>and the administration, we can all get crews, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>back soon, and we can get it back and safe

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<v Speaker 1>with the interests of public health, and we can have

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<v Speaker 1>all those half a million workers no longer suffer from

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<v Speaker 1>not being able um to earn a wage and and

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<v Speaker 1>and do their jobs in the ports and the various

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<v Speaker 1>travel agents and all the other things that are connected

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<v Speaker 1>to two crews well, or does it feel like that

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<v Speaker 1>there's a more constructive conversation with the CDC right now?

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<v Speaker 1>And I asked that because I do also wonder is

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<v Speaker 1>there kind of a last straw for you that if

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<v Speaker 1>the CDC in a couple of months isn't clear about

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<v Speaker 1>what it will take to get ships uh U s

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<v Speaker 1>homeported ships, you know, up and running. Is there a

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<v Speaker 1>point where you're gonna say, okay, I'm done and we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to move ships abroad. UM, As you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>have nine brands Carrel, so about fifty nine of our

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<v Speaker 1>nineties ships are not under the conditional sale order. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't you know, sail in the US anyway. And so

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<v Speaker 1>there we are already active and sailing, and we've announced

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<v Speaker 1>sailings and in the UK we've announce sailings. In Greece,

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<v Speaker 1>UM IIDA, our German brands already sailing from the Canary Islands,

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<v Speaker 1>all on a limited basis at this point, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is movement in the direction and UM we're optimistic that

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be able to do the same here and continue

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<v Speaker 1>to dialogue with the CDC. I think when the big

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<v Speaker 1>issues here is UM the relative mentality around risk. So

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<v Speaker 1>today you can, UM, you could border plane, fly to

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<v Speaker 1>a country, get on a cruise ship and sale fly

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<v Speaker 1>back from that country and come back to the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to do certain testing exerta, but you can

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<v Speaker 1>do that. And today, even if vaccinated, you can't get

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<v Speaker 1>on a cruise ship in the US. And that's whether

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<v Speaker 1>you've vaccinated or not in terms of what you could

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<v Speaker 1>do outside you know, from the US going somewhere else

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<v Speaker 1>to get on a cruise ship. So and if you

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<v Speaker 1>look out of the travel and entertainment sectors you talked

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<v Speaker 1>about spring breakdown in Miami, um, or you look at

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<v Speaker 1>arenas where people are starting to be able to attend

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<v Speaker 1>sporting events, restaurants, hotels, resourts, air travel. Uh. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a level of risk management and mitigation, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we would like to just be treated similarly to the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the travel and tourism sector. Um. And we

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<v Speaker 1>also obviously have enhanced protocols already in place versus many

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<v Speaker 1>of those sectors. Well, does it not make extraining, medical

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<v Speaker 1>sent on board, etcetera. Forgive me for interrupting, but does

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<v Speaker 1>it not make sense to you, Arnold um that on

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<v Speaker 1>for planes, you know, people get on a plane and

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<v Speaker 1>they're sitting right next to each other. Um. There seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be kind of different requirements for people in different

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the tourism industry. And yet you folks are

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<v Speaker 1>still waiting, you know, to be able to get up

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<v Speaker 1>and running. Does it seem is this disparate treatment fair

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<v Speaker 1>in your view? I think again? I think everyone is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do what they think is best for public health,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think, um, together we can work and find

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<v Speaker 1>a way forward. It's true you get on the plane.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people say, well, you only a plane for a

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<v Speaker 1>few hours, but you are sitting right next to someone.

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<v Speaker 1>Before you got on the plane, you are an airport terminal.

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<v Speaker 1>Before you're on an airport terminal, you're in some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of trying inspitation. Before that, you came from somewhere. When

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<v Speaker 1>you land, you go to another airport terminal, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you get in an automobile or bus or whatever. You

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<v Speaker 1>get onto transport, and then you go places. You might

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<v Speaker 1>go to a restaurant, you might stay in a hotel,

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<v Speaker 1>you may go to a resort, and and all of

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<v Speaker 1>that activity. And a cruise is a city at sea.

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<v Speaker 1>And so to comparis just to an airplane ride is inappropriate.

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<v Speaker 1>And to comparis UM just to a hotel stay is inappropriate. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I think the reality is look at the evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>There's over four hundred thousand people that have sailed UM

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<v Speaker 1>to date in Europe, a fewer than fifty cases of COVID,

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<v Speaker 1>all handles seamlessly without disruption problem outbreaks nothing because I

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<v Speaker 1>know you've got what sailing in your two of your brands,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think six of you, yeah, less than less

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<v Speaker 1>than fifty cases out of an estimated for a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand folks, and each of us handled seamlessly because arrangements

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<v Speaker 1>you know, were pre and age with reporting people's travel

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<v Speaker 1>weren't disrupted because now there's a lot more understanding that

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<v Speaker 1>all happened before vaccines, and so now we have the vaccines,

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<v Speaker 1>which are another layer and a major layer, and we

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<v Speaker 1>would encourage everyone to get vaccinated. I mean, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>what we will encourage people to do because it is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the best levels of protection against any serious

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<v Speaker 1>effects from COVID that that you can have. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>what the science says, and will continue to be informed

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<v Speaker 1>by the science by global medical experts. But we will

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<v Speaker 1>respect whatever the rules are wherever we go, as we

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<v Speaker 1>always do, we have to be in compliance. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you think about making it mandatory for vaccines for passengers

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<v Speaker 1>as well as for crew members. You and I have

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this before. So far you guys have said no.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you said you highly recommend them, but what

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<v Speaker 1>about making them undatory? Norwegian is doing it. What's your

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<v Speaker 1>take here, Well, first of all, we encourage the reality

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<v Speaker 1>today is um, vaccines are not accessible to everyone. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>young people show then you know today, Um, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>vaccines are not recommended for children. Uh. And so there's

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<v Speaker 1>gaps in the vaccine protocol today, their tests under way.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe in a few months, you know, it'll be fine

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<v Speaker 1>to vaccinate children. Maybe in a few months there will

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<v Speaker 1>be plenty of vaccine available for everyone. Everyone is hoping

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<v Speaker 1>for that, everyone's assuming that. And if that comes to past,

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<v Speaker 1>we would encourage everyone to be vaccinated, whether we mandate

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<v Speaker 1>or not. We have to find, you know, in some

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<v Speaker 1>places that illegal demand, date, etcetera. I understand personal choice

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<v Speaker 1>and personal liberty, will respect all of that, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we'll follow what the regulations are wherever it is. And

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<v Speaker 1>but we too want to stand and do the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that's in the best enteress of public health. However, vaccines

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<v Speaker 1>are not mandated for other forms of travel and tourism, etcetera.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we're not sure, um, that it makes sense to

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<v Speaker 1>mandate them, you know, for cruise either. But again we'll comply,

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<v Speaker 1>but we think you know, fair and level treatment, serving

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<v Speaker 1>the best entrance of public health is what we should

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<v Speaker 1>be about today. We just want to continue to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>with CDC and the administration and find a way forward

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<v Speaker 1>where hopefully we can be sailing again this summer here

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<v Speaker 1>in the US. What's going to change on the boat

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<v Speaker 1>if I get on a ship. I've been on one

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<v Speaker 1>of your ships, are Charlie Pellett has been on many

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<v Speaker 1>of your ships? Um? What's it gonna be like when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to the buffet. Is it going to be

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<v Speaker 1>temperature chips, checks, um a lot? What will you guys do?

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<v Speaker 1>What will be different? Well, it depends so right now

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<v Speaker 1>with the sailing as we've passed so far, we've had

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<v Speaker 1>universal testing, we've had physical distancing, we've had mask wearing,

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<v Speaker 1>we've had additional medical screens. We of course have enhanced

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<v Speaker 1>sanitation and asked hair handling stuff on the ships. So

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<v Speaker 1>all of that is present and it's worked well. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>going forward with vaccines, we'll have to see what makes

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<v Speaker 1>the most sense and protocols, whether all that layering on

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<v Speaker 1>top of vaccines makes sense, whether it could be for example,

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<v Speaker 1>as it was announced by CDC with regards to uh

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<v Speaker 1>ring one vaccine and the group and you may not

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<v Speaker 1>need to wear the mask if everyone's vaccinate vaccinated you

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<v Speaker 1>know it's frequently in so on. So we'll figure all

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<v Speaker 1>that out and and and that will evolve the coming weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>How we'll figure it out, will listen to the medical

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<v Speaker 1>experts and the GOLO and the scientists from around well

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<v Speaker 1>and what the best practices and and the best in

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<v Speaker 1>its public health. And of course we will follow whatever

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<v Speaker 1>the rules are wherever we go. Will it be so

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<v Speaker 1>could it be very different what the rules are in

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<v Speaker 1>the US versus over in Europe or will there be

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<v Speaker 1>consistent rules for all of your ships? I think for

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<v Speaker 1>a short period of time there could be some differences,

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<v Speaker 1>and not just US and Europe, but even within Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>even UM within the Caribbean. Over time everyone will get

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<v Speaker 1>to a more probably homogeneous uh kind of thing. But

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<v Speaker 1>but we are prepared that there could be differences and

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<v Speaker 1>one local versus another. As everyone you know is dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with it, you know, the spread is different, and one

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<v Speaker 1>local versus another, the risk is different, and so be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>and it could be some differences. So talk to us

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<v Speaker 1>about the business update today, Arnold UM, your stock popped

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<v Speaker 1>on the news and did finish off its ties. But

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<v Speaker 1>nonetheless definitely caught the attention of investors along with the

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<v Speaker 1>CDC News Summer of one. I know you gave some

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<v Speaker 1>of an update on that talked us a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more about what you expect how it plays out here. Well, again,

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<v Speaker 1>we're optimistic that sometime during the summer twenty one, hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>in July, will we will be able to begin sailings

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<v Speaker 1>from the US, but we are already will be sailing

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<v Speaker 1>from multiple places around the world, again a limited basis.

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<v Speaker 1>A few ships that reintroduction is don't to be staggered

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<v Speaker 1>initially will have relatively low occupancy by design, so our

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<v Speaker 1>crew gets used to the protocols that have to be

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<v Speaker 1>in place, as we did in the past few months

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<v Speaker 1>with the sailings that have already started with Aida and Costa. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's you know, where where it begins. And

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<v Speaker 1>and I think over time, a few months time, if

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<v Speaker 1>things continue the trajectory they are with regards to the

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<v Speaker 1>global management of this pandemic, then we might be able

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<v Speaker 1>to see more ships, maybe the entire fleet, and higher

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<v Speaker 1>octancy ownerships as our crew you know, gets used to

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<v Speaker 1>managing the new pro new protocols. I am also curious

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<v Speaker 1>about right now. Love the experiences, Carol, People love the

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<v Speaker 1>experiences that we had on um U in the sales

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<v Speaker 1>we've passed so far when yours the highest net promoter scores,

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<v Speaker 1>which is running the cases we use for guest satisfaction

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<v Speaker 1>that we've ever had and so UM so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we can give people a great cruise experienced, even with

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<v Speaker 1>enhanced protocols and um And keep in mind you we've

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<v Speaker 1>we've had to deal with things in the past. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's Zebola, Zeka, murder Stars, you know, all these different viruses.

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<v Speaker 1>We sail global around the world and we've had to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with things. This one is definitely you know, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>it shut the whole world down, so it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>a different but we've learned a lot and science has

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<v Speaker 1>come a long way in the vaccines and everything. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're in much better shape today than we were months ago. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask a little bit more about Europe

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<v Speaker 1>UM and Costa. You guys do a big business over

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<v Speaker 1>there with that brand. Our bookings continuing to tick higher.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you seeing in terms of trends? Well, as

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<v Speaker 1>we said on our earning stall today, our business update

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<v Speaker 1>UM called today in the UK. We announced three brands

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<v Speaker 1>with sailings in July in the UK, Q and R

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<v Speaker 1>Piano and Princess UM. In each case UM they had.

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<v Speaker 1>Princess had its highest single day booking when we announced

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<v Speaker 1>second highest ever UM and and bookings in a in

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<v Speaker 1>a given day. UH Piano you know, had their highest

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<v Speaker 1>and like seven years UM and qin art Um had

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<v Speaker 1>its highest UM in many years, in a decade or so.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's clearly pent up demand UM and people want

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<v Speaker 1>to cruise a lot of repeat cruises. We've missed out

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<v Speaker 1>almost on a full year of getting their cruise, and

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<v Speaker 1>their anxious and crews and and people are anxious just

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<v Speaker 1>to get out period of course after the lockdowns and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>So the demand is strong and robust and we're able

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<v Speaker 1>to make those analysis in the UK knowing we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>sail UM in a way that serves the interests of

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<v Speaker 1>public health. Similarly, you asked about constant In particularly and

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<v Speaker 1>aida Um and we we see, you know, good demand.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the challenges for Costa and aida is Um,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly Costa is that mainly you're sailing around it's Italians today,

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<v Speaker 1>sailing around Italy, around Italian ports and and so uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that's not the most desirable itineraries for the

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<v Speaker 1>mass of kind of Europeans, but it's still a great

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<v Speaker 1>itinerary and people are enjoying it. And in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as we've seen, um, the vaccines becoming much

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<v Speaker 1>more widespread here in the United States. I know you

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<v Speaker 1>gave an update in terms of bookings in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>What's been that uptick? Have you seen kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>direct correlation Arnold, as more and more people are getting

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<v Speaker 1>vaccines at who are signing up? In terms of bookings

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<v Speaker 1>for for trips on your ships, you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>our bookings have been robust throughout UM we look into

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two, UM, second half of twenty two and into

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three, even the first half of twenty two were

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<v Speaker 1>well ahead and the upbrand of the range of historical

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<v Speaker 1>ranges foot bookings at this point in time, and and

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<v Speaker 1>and with strong pricing still a fantastic value for people

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<v Speaker 1>relativity equivalent land based vacation, but pricing has been good

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<v Speaker 1>and so um we haven't seen any enhancement to that

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<v Speaker 1>because of vaccines or anything. But it was pretty strong

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<v Speaker 1>to begin with and it has continued to be strong

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<v Speaker 1>and vaccine passports. I think you and I've talked about this,

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<v Speaker 1>not something that you do. You think it's a good idea. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, UM, you know the personal liberty issues and

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<v Speaker 1>all that I leave to UM people with a higher

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<v Speaker 1>pay grade than I do I have, but I would

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<v Speaker 1>say that I think, you know, people getting the vaccine

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<v Speaker 1>is important. UM. I would encourage everyone to get a vaccine,

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<v Speaker 1>and that I would absolutely say it's important, UM. In

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<v Speaker 1>terms of the personal rights and disclosure issues. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we've all travel what we had to show we had

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<v Speaker 1>a particularly amunization and or a country and that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing, and so we'll see how all that plays out.

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<v Speaker 1>But the world will come together on that and make

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<v Speaker 1>a decision UM, and we'll take advantage of that. Whatever

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<v Speaker 1>they decide, will comply and and make sure our guests

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<v Speaker 1>are honoring that if we take them anywhere. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think the more important thing, the most important thing is

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<v Speaker 1>that people do get vaccinated. UM. If they have access,

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<v Speaker 1>they should, they should get the vaccination. And I would

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<v Speaker 1>encourage them to do that because it is the one

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<v Speaker 1>too in the two kit that can really mitigate the

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<v Speaker 1>risk for you having a serious effect if you do

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<v Speaker 1>come in contact with COVID. Hey just got about a

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<v Speaker 1>minute or so left. UM, I'd be remiss if I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>And I often do ask you about leadership. Um, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot going on across the country in terms of George.

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<v Speaker 1>I think about voting rights and CEO is being asked

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<v Speaker 1>to step up. What's your position on this and what

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<v Speaker 1>do you think CEOs in that state need to be doing. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>as the CEO of Carnival, UM, my priority has to

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<v Speaker 1>be safely returning my fleet to full guest operations in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that serves interests of public health. As a

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<v Speaker 1>black person who grew up in the segregated South during

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<v Speaker 1>the civil rights UM sixties, I am deeply aware and

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<v Speaker 1>and although I can never fully appreciate, I am deeply

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<v Speaker 1>aware of the incredible sacrifice is suffered by so many

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<v Speaker 1>black and white and brown and more to ensure the

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity for me to vote UM, and that I now

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy as an American. I feel a personal responsibility to

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<v Speaker 1>honor those sacrifices and never stand silent if I see

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<v Speaker 1>that the most basic of rights in our democracy, the

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<v Speaker 1>right to vote, is being denied to our suppressed fathers.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you know, I did sign um uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>notice and the and the call for action for as

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<v Speaker 1>an individual. I signed it as a citizen, as an American,

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<v Speaker 1>I signed it um and as a black person. And

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<v Speaker 1>I believe in it because I think, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no more fundamental right in democracy than the right to vote.

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<v Speaker 1>And people have given their lives for the right to

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<v Speaker 1>vote for all of us, and I think it's really

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<v Speaker 1>important we stand up forgive me, I've got to wrap UM,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm so glad we were able to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>you about that. And thank you for putting up with

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<v Speaker 1>my home setup. It's just kind of the world we're

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<v Speaker 1>living in. UM, Thank you so much, really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Arnold Donald. He's the CEO of Carnival Corporation.