1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: The same with Cardinals are en route to Arlington, Texas 2 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: for a three game nder League series against the Rangers, 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: So naturally we have to bring on everyone's favorite person 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: to the show. Skip Schumacher, Welcome the Cardinals territory. I'm 5 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: thrilled to have you. How are you? 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: I am great. 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 3: Everyone's favorite person's a tough that's a tough intro, but 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 3: thank you all. 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 2: I'll try to try to take that one. But I'm 10 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 2: excited to be on with you, of course. 11 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. It's always great. I know when I 12 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: always put out little feelers on which guest do we 13 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: want coming up here the series. Here are some you know, 14 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: favorite former Cardinals, and naturally you're on the top of 15 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: the list. So we just give the people what they 16 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: want here. What can I say? 17 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so, So. 18 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: We'll just start a little bit about you know why 19 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: we're talking in the first place. Over the off season, 20 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: for those of you who missed it, Skip joined the 21 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: Texas Rangers as a special advisor to President at Baseball Operations, 22 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: Chris Young. It's a new organization for you. Skip. What 23 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: do you like about the Rangers so far? 24 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 3: Well, I didn't know what was going to happen at 25 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 3: the end of the season, you know, with my situation 26 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 3: in Miami and trying to figure out the next steps 27 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 3: and not to jump to anything into anything too quickly. 28 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 3: I just wanted to be in a really good situation 29 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 3: around really good people. And see Why is at the 30 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 3: top of the list. He reached out right away. I've 31 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 3: known see Why for a number of years now, played 32 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 3: against him. I played against Sea Why in high school 33 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 3: at eighteen years old, so I've known see. 34 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 2: Why a long time. 35 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: And then obviously the people that he has around him, 36 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 3: Dayton Moore, Michael Young, Ian Kinsler, like all the people 37 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 3: that I've Nick Hunley, that I've been around for a 38 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 3: long time are in that group. And I get to 39 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 3: learn from grow with, and that was the main thing. 40 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 3: And by the way, I get to learn from a 41 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 3: Hall of Fame Bruce Bochie is pretty special for me. 42 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 3: So it just all kind of worked out, and really 43 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 3: grateful for that. Also, my son is going to TCU, 44 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 3: so it's like twenty five minutes away in a couple 45 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 3: of years, so I'm just very grateful for this opportunity. 46 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: Have you learned anything about the Rangers so far? This year? 47 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to have this episode double as a very 48 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: brief Cardinals Rangers preview. Is I'm still figuring out what 49 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: exactly the Rangers are. 50 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, first of all, they're pitching has been so good. 51 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 3: They're starting pitching with the healthy Jacob de Gram. 52 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,119 Speaker 2: I mean, he's a unicorn. 53 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 3: He is when healthy, one of the best pitchers still 54 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 3: in the major leagues. 55 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: In Valdi, I didn't realize how good Evo was. 56 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 3: You know, you you kind of advanced teams when you 57 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 3: go in to play them and you only get three 58 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 3: game series maybe see him five or six times a year. 59 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 3: I didn't realize what type of leadership he had, you know, 60 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: in that clubhouse, the stuff he had, this real true 61 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 3: ace mentality that he has. And then obviously, you know 62 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 3: you're looking at the offense and you know, we've struggled 63 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 3: a little bit this year, been kind of these peaks 64 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 3: and valleys, and you're waiting for these guys to get 65 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 3: going and unfortunately how to make a few moves during 66 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 3: the season. But I think, you know, seekers coming back 67 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 3: here in a few days, which it's going to be huge. 68 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: You need aircraft carriers. You've heard that before, and he 69 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: is that guy. 70 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 3: He's a guy that can just put a team on 71 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 3: his shoulders and you know, roll off a number of 72 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 3: wins and go into these eight, nine, ten game winning streaks, 73 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 3: which you know we're going to have to. 74 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 2: Get to to get back to where we want to be. 75 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 3: But when you have a leader in Bruce Bochie, he's 76 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 3: seen it all and is forty plus years in the 77 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 3: big leagues, So I think there's a lot of stability 78 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 3: in that organization, and I think there's it's only a 79 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 3: matter of time before these guys get hot again. 80 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it'll be a good matchup for the Cardinals, 81 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: who I'm you know you follow along. How could you 82 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: not so many of your friends are on the coaching staff, 83 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: and also I know you just have a an appreciation 84 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 1: for the organization. But for Saint Louis coming in after 85 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: their series against Baltimore, I mean, this is a team 86 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: that's played the best defense in baseball, So I wonder 87 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: how that, combined with the Rangers lack of offense is 88 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: going to vote for Texas's bats, and they've been pitching. 89 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: The Cardinals have really well. We've talked about on this 90 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: show the sustainability of it, whether or not it can 91 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: last throughout the entirety of a season. But right now 92 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: those guys are throwing the ball well and they're executing, 93 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: so we'll see. I think the Cardinals are one of 94 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: the surprise teams in baseball so far. I know, coming 95 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: into the season, my personal expectations were rather low. If 96 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: you've watched the earlier episodes of Cardinal Territory, specifically the 97 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 1: spring training vibes. I wouldn't say I with the most 98 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: bought in person on the active roster, but they've done 99 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: a very very nice job of turning things around. What 100 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: do you make of the Cardinals this year? 101 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, first of all, to your earlier point, the defense. 102 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: Texas has a really good defense too, So they remind 103 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 3: me a lot of each other right now as far 104 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 3: as like the defense and what they valuate their values of, 105 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 3: like pitching in defense. 106 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: The Cardinals, I think. 107 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 3: It started with Nolan Ornado showing up to spring training 108 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 3: and just being that dude and not making it a distraction, 109 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 3: letting the media and the teammates know, like, I'm here, 110 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: I'm ready to win, let's go. 111 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: Whatever happened in season happened. 112 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 3: But I think it starts with him and him having 113 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 3: the ability to say I'm a Saint Louis Cardinal. There's 114 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 3: a tradition here. I'm still want I still think we 115 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 3: can win. And then him going to the front office 116 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: or all even saying I'm willing to hit six just 117 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 3: shows you where he's at in his career and that 118 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 3: winning is the most important part of his day, which 119 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 3: just you know, it's not surprising to me knowing Nolan 120 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 3: for so long, but I think it's just been really 121 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 3: cool to watch his maturation throughout the years. Olie Marmle's 122 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 3: done a fantastic job with that club. I think I've 123 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 3: had Brent Brown as my hitting coach. He is phenomenal 124 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 3: at game planning and getting the buy in that you 125 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 3: know those guys need. We know who John I know 126 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 3: who John Jay is and Descalzo obviously there's some street 127 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 3: cred where they know what winning looks like in that clubhouse, 128 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 3: and you know, those young players can go to them 129 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 3: with just about anything because they've seen it all. And 130 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 3: I think when you have a staff like that, it 131 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 3: just goes a long way and they have fun. There's accountability, 132 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 3: there's stability now and I think not enough. I know 133 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 3: you probably have talked about I know you have. But 134 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 3: Brendon Donovan is an absolute stud and it's somebody that 135 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:10,799 Speaker 3: you've mentioned, Katie. 136 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: I've watched you speak because I think you're really good. 137 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 3: I think he is somebody that you can really build around, 138 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 3: and that is a franchise type of player. He's a 139 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 3: cardinal type of player who plays the game right. You 140 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 3: know what you're going to get every single bat, first, left, first, right, 141 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 3: middle of the infield, he can play the outfield. He's 142 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 3: just a special player that, like everybody can look too 143 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 3: younger player, older player, like that's how you should play 144 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 3: the game. 145 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up about Brendan Donovan in particular, 146 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: because he reminds me of the type of player that 147 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: would have thrived on your Cardinals teams when you and 148 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: Scalt and j were there in the twenty tens. Because 149 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: he is so gritty. I've said this before on the show. 150 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: He's like your textbook Saint Louis cardinal in terms of, 151 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: you know, he wants to play every day. You can 152 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: play him everywhere, and he's more than serviceable no matter 153 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: where you put him offensively, in defensively. And coming into 154 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: the season, Donnie was one of those guys that was 155 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: kind of caught in between from an identity standpoint. He 156 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: wasn't an established veteran with the club, but he was 157 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: a little too old to be in the I don't know, 158 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: we're not supposed to say rebuild, but the transition part 159 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: of the club. They knew that they were going to 160 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: count on him for the future, but they just didn't 161 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: know to what extent. And instead of being confused or 162 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: unsure about his identity, I think Donnie just came in 163 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: and said, well, I'm just going to play and make 164 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: sure they know exactly what they have in me and 165 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: what we're seeing after the first fifty games or so 166 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: was you're seeing exactly what you said someone the organization 167 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: can build around in the future. 168 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: He's exactly what you're looking for in a winning team. 169 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 3: And you know, whatever they wanted to say, you know, 170 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 3: they wanted the younger guys to play, or the rebuild 171 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 3: or whatever transition period they were in, it doesn't matter 172 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 3: what phase you're in in an organization. You want Brendan 173 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 3: Donovan on your team because he knows what the work 174 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 3: should look like. During batting practice, you see him, he'll 175 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 3: put a screen in front of first base if he's 176 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 3: not hitting the bag right and just rep and rep 177 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 3: it and rep it. Just these little things, these little 178 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 3: details that he cares so much about, that like win 179 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 3: the margins. 180 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: And when you have a team that doesn't have. 181 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 3: These like you know, Aaron Judge or Showhey or these 182 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 3: like incredible superstars, but you just have some really good 183 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 3: talented players that are trying to find their way. But 184 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 3: you also have a Nolan Ernando who's going to be 185 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer, Like, how do you win the margins? 186 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 3: And you have guys like Brendan Donovan That's how you 187 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 3: do it. And my guess is Brendan Donovan, now at 188 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 3: his whatever third fourth year in the league, is probably 189 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 3: telling these young guys, no, you hit the bag with 190 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 3: the right foot, or now this is how you take 191 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 3: your secondary leader. 192 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 2: No, you should be taking early VP. 193 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 3: I think he's probably got that in him now and 194 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 3: he's always had it before. 195 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 2: But you're right, he's not like, you know, this ten 196 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: year vet. He's not this rookie. 197 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 3: But I think he's so respected that I'm guessing he 198 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 3: commands some of that in the room. And again, it 199 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 3: just goes back to that coaching staff, the coaching staff 200 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 3: has been really good in developing these guys. 201 00:08:59,400 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: All. 202 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 3: He has been a developer his whole career and it's 203 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 3: just a testament to what he's done with that club 204 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 3: as well. 205 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: Perfect segue to our next section. I would really like 206 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: to talk about the coaching staff, because, like you mentioned, 207 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: you are familiar with so many of them. But before 208 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: we get to that, we've got to take our first 209 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: ad read of the day. 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You know so many 234 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,599 Speaker 1: of these Cardinals coaches, not just from playing time or 235 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: from your time on the Cardinals staff, but an or 236 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: for your time in Miami really that I feel like 237 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: you were one of the best people to talk to 238 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: about just what they've accomplished. And we'll start with Ali Marmel. 239 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: You were s Benge coach in twenty twenty two and 240 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: lots to like about what happened in twenty twenty two, 241 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: except of course the very end of the season. But 242 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: that was always first year as a manager, and you 243 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: guys were just kind of in it together and figuring 244 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: it out. How have you seen him grow from year 245 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: one to year four. Now and why do you think 246 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: he had he's seeing the success that he is right now. 247 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 3: Well, I think you're always, you know, each year you 248 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 3: learned something either from your experience, your coaching staff, former 249 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 3: guys you know, or different players. I think he's he's 250 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 3: grown into a manager that who he really. 251 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 2: Wants to be. 252 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 5: Now. 253 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 3: I had him his rookie year. You know, we were 254 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 3: I was learning Ali, he was learning me, and we 255 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 3: kind of grew into this like really good friendship and 256 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 3: uh that I'll you know, I'll be friends with Ali 257 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 3: forever just because of how much I respect him. I think, 258 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 3: you know, as a former manager, you always look back 259 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 3: and think about how you could have done things better, 260 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 3: whether it was you know, how you're getting guys better, 261 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 3: how you're talking to him as a group in the clubhouse, 262 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 3: how you're reacting to media. All these things you're learning 263 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 3: as you grow, uh into the manager you're trying to become. 264 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 2: And he's he's gotten to the playoffs, he's. 265 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 3: Taken young teams, you know, to places where a lot 266 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 3: of media members didn't think they would get to so far, 267 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 3: and it's been it's been really fun to see him 268 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 3: also acquire the staff that he thinks is ready to 269 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 3: take this group to the next level. In my opinion, 270 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 3: you have to have a really good coaching staff to 271 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 3: cover your blind spots because you don't know everything about 272 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 3: the game. I feel like you should hire the expert 273 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 3: in hitting, and the expert in pitching, and the expert 274 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 3: and infield play because you don't know everything. It's impossible 275 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 3: to know everything. And I think he's done a really 276 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 3: good job of acquiring the experts in a lot of 277 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 3: these areas in the game, and it's really helped them 278 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 3: take that that that organization to the next level. You know, 279 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 3: Stubby Clapp is one of the better infield guys in 280 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 3: the league. Knows base running. Him and Pop Warner can 281 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 3: dissect the pitcher as good as anybody. And obviously I've 282 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 3: talked about you to you about Brent Brown and what 283 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 3: I think of him and what he did for us 284 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three in Miami. You know he is, 285 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 3: He's relentless. He gets guys to buy in. So there's 286 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 3: a I could tell all day about. You know a 287 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 3: lot of those guys on staff, but I think they're 288 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 3: in a good place. They're in a really good place, 289 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 3: And I'm just happy for Ali because you know this 290 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 3: was I'm guessing haven't talked to him about it, but 291 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 3: like a lighter off season for them with the whole 292 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 3: Aeronauto thing, you know, you know, hanging over the off 293 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 3: season and hanging over his head most likely, and then 294 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 3: to get him to like become like bought in is 295 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 3: pretty pretty impressive. 296 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: So I'm happy where he's at. 297 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you know firsthand what it's like to come 298 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: in as a manager and take a club that people 299 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: had relatively low expectations for and guide them to success. 300 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you were the twenty twenty three mL Manager 301 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: of the Year with Miami for a reason, and you 302 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: took a young, inexperienced ball club and made them playoff contenders. 303 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 1: Can you see this Cardinals coaching staff doing that same 304 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: thing this year? 305 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 3: I can, because I mean you think about who's on 306 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 3: that staff. Daniel descalzos on a winning person. First of all, 307 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 3: he's a really good person, but he's one in Arizona. 308 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 3: He's one a Saint Louis as a player. John Jay 309 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 3: has one as a coach. He's one as a player. 310 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 3: Brent Brown has one as a coach, one as a player. 311 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 3: So you think about all these guys that through their 312 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 3: experiences with young teams and really and veteran teams, they've 313 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 3: they've seen it all. So you can only go back 314 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 3: on what you've experienced. And I've said this before, I 315 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 3: only know everything I know is because I've learned it 316 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 3: from somebody, and they have been in. Brent Brown and 317 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 3: the Dodgers organization learned a ton I'm assuming, oh, I 318 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 3: know that for a fact. But he's also really good 319 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 3: about with his own ideas, and Olie Marvel has been 320 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 3: in this organization a long time, but they also, in 321 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 3: my opinion, got guys from other organizations finally that were 322 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 3: I can give you new ideas and implement them and 323 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 3: then take this place to it to the next level. 324 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 3: And I think that's where John Jay has been really 325 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 3: beneficial and Brent Brown's been really beneficial, and obviously Scalzo, 326 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 3: you know, seeing what Arizona has been doing for a 327 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 3: number of years. I think when you see all that 328 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 3: coming together, this is what you get. 329 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about John Jay because a 330 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: big talk about this Cardinals team, like we talked about earlier, 331 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: has been the defense, specifically the outfield defense and when 332 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: you ask the players, when you ask Ollie, it's easy 333 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: to see just how much the outfielders have bought into 334 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: the John Jay school of outfielding. Really, and we'll start 335 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: with Lars Neubar, who was never a bad outfielder by 336 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: any means. He was above league average, but he's managed 337 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: to take significant strides forward. Going to what I think, 338 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: you know, one of the most effective left fielders in 339 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: the National League, Victor Scott the second always had the talent, 340 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: you always had the raw ability, but his John Jay's 341 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: ability to unlock something with Victor to turn him into 342 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: the next level of center fielder, a Gold Glove caliber 343 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: center fielder after less than a year in the major leagues, 344 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: is super impressive. And then, of course, what has been 345 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: going on with Jordan Walker to take from where Jordan 346 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: was in the last couple of years offensively and to 347 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: bring him to league average, and to see the everyday improvement, 348 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: whether that's first step, whether that's sprint speed, whether it's 349 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: the read off the bat. The Cardinals have one of 350 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: the better outfields in baseball one because of the work 351 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: the players have put in. But they're not buying in 352 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: unless they believe in their coach with that messaging. You've 353 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: known John Jay Fair a very long time. He was 354 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: part of your staff in Miami, longtime teammate of yours. 355 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: I know you're not surprised about the results here, but 356 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: what makes John Jay so effective as an outfield coach. 357 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, first of all, we talked about Brendan Donovan 358 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 3: being so good and someone you can build around. 359 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 2: You mentioned Lars Newbar. 360 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 3: I was so impressed with the year I had with 361 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 3: watching Lars new Bar in that clubhouse and getting guys better. 362 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,239 Speaker 2: And he wants he himself wants to be great. 363 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 3: And when you have that quality and then you implement 364 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 3: a John Jay and like I can make you great, 365 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 3: I want to be great. 366 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: Here we go. 367 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 3: That's where you know you get from good players to 368 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 3: great players. And I think Lars Newbar can be a 369 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 3: great player in this league for. 370 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: A long time. 371 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 3: You don't see many outfield coaches actually take reps in 372 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 3: the outfield with the players. Right is taking three groups 373 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 3: of reps of shagging getting these guys to show exactly 374 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 3: how it should look like with the first step where 375 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 3: the positioning should be, the routes to a ball, because 376 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 3: he's actually taking the flight balls with them, which you 377 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 3: just don't see in today's game. It's a lot of 378 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 3: like here, put in the machine, shoot it and go 379 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 3: get the ball, where John's like having somebody else do it, 380 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 3: and he's repping it with them and talking it through 381 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 3: him and the reasons why. And I think he's, uh, 382 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 3: he's really good for the veteran guy. I guess, I 383 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 3: don't know, I guess large as the veteran guy yet, 384 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 3: but but the older of that, I guess that group 385 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 3: of you know, compared to the other guys that are 386 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 3: on uh, in that outfield. But he's really good at 387 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 3: teaching it and simplifying it and having like the message 388 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 3: be simple. And when you can have simple messaging that 389 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 3: these guys can relate to. 390 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 2: It just goes a long way. 391 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 3: And I think that John Jay Uh, you know, he's 392 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 3: good in anything that you give him, Like he could 393 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 3: be really good at base running, and he could be 394 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 3: really good at you know, whatever you give him, he's 395 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 3: gonna dominate in because he's an all in type of guy. 396 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 3: He's like obsessive, Like you see him probably skateboarding all 397 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 3: the time, like I'm gonna just try skateboarding. And then 398 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 3: he's just like gonna be obsessed with it and like 399 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 3: try to dominate that. Whatever it is, he's gonna try 400 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 3: to be great at it. And what's great about John 401 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 3: is like I had him a few years ago. He 402 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 3: never coached before, and I just like, all right, you're 403 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 3: gonna be the first base coach. You're gonna be like 404 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 3: you have to like figure out these tips and tails 405 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 3: and oh, by the way, you got to make Jazz 406 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 3: a center fielder that he does not really want to be. 407 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 2: A center fielder. 408 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 3: Good luck, okay, And so like he took him and 409 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 3: was like, right away off season, I'm going to I'm 410 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 3: grabbing Jazz. We're gonna be in Florida together, and before 411 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 3: we even go and even start spring training, we're gonna 412 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 3: build a foundation. We're gonna build a relationship first and 413 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 3: then set a foundation. So we get into spring training, 414 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 3: he knows exactly what I think he should be doing 415 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 3: instead of like being day one, Okay, this is what 416 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 3: we're doing. 417 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 2: He did the same thing in Saint Louis. 418 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 3: He got there in spring training before spring training, got 419 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 3: these guys together, and I think, you know, John holds 420 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 3: guys accountable. 421 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 2: He's tough. But again, it's the simple messaging that I 422 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 2: think goes a long way. 423 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're spot on. That sounds exactly what 424 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: Victor Scott and Jordan Walker went through before spring training, 425 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,239 Speaker 1: and you could see it from day one that they 426 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,479 Speaker 1: were different outfielders. They weren't starting from day one. Their 427 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: day one was weeks ago. And it's funny what you 428 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: say about that Jay Shaggan in the outfield because a 429 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, I've been around these guys enough 430 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: for even if I'm standing by the dugout, I can 431 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: basically tell who's who in the outfield by their body mannerisms, 432 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: how they're running. And I was like, who is this 433 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: guy flying all over the place and wearing a hoodie 434 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: when it's seventy degrees beanie on up against the wall 435 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: and I'm looking close to I'm like, that's John Jay. 436 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: And I just fell out laughing because it was so 437 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: funny to see him still look like he was a 438 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: player out there, just going out and taking routes. But 439 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think guys really respond to that. 440 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, to make fun of him wearing 441 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: a hood it was like in. 442 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 3: Saint Louis, it was one hundred degrees and he's shagging 443 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 3: with the hood on. But he would wear this like 444 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 3: hood and it would only see like his eyes were 445 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 3: the only thing peeking out. And it's because he wanted 446 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 3: to be locked in without any distraction, so he could 447 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 3: focus on the hitter and nothing else. So he was 448 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 3: zero zeroing in on the ball and the bat, the 449 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 3: ball hitting off the bat, and so he would do 450 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 3: that everywhere, and so I thought he was just being 451 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 3: like an idiot, you know, like all right, yeah, yeah, 452 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 3: and but. 453 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 2: He actually he still does that he did in Miami. 454 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: He's doing it Saint Louis. 455 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 3: But it's a focus thing of like I'm like removing 456 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 3: every distraction, focusing on the hitter. 457 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 2: And then he's trying to get other guys to buy 458 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 2: in on that too. 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I have exactly zero from them, so 495 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: I will remember that for those of you in Saint Louis. 496 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: Ben and Woods is a San Diego radio show. They're 497 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: the flagship for the San Diego Padres and that's actually 498 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: where I met Skip when I was an intern in 499 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen fresh out of college. Skip, you were the 500 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: first coach, right, I was sure if you were assistant Yeah, not. 501 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 2: Assistant to the manager or whatever. 502 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: They gave me very the office like title for you. 503 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. 504 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: So it's great to just kind of to be able 505 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: to like grow my career and have you be such 506 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: a consistent presence in it. You knew me when I 507 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: was like very timid, unsure. I'm sure Allie wishes he 508 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: had that version of me. He has a superable version 509 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: of me. Lately this year especially, I don't know what's 510 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: getting into me, but I have been outlandish in pregames, 511 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: so I'm trying to work on it. But yeah, Ben 512 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: It Woods a great radio show. 513 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 2: We love though they are, they're some of the best. 514 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: So you have a bunch of things going on for you, 515 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: not only you work with the Rangers, but it was 516 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: recently announced last month that you were going to be 517 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: the bench coach for Team USA and the World Baseball Classic. 518 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: Just how cool was that. 519 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 3: One of the highlights of my career was being able 520 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 3: to play on Team USA in two thousand and six. 521 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 3: I was selected with a really young group and I 522 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 3: was playing triple. 523 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 2: A actually, and they had guys like gosh. 524 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 3: Billy Butler and Aiden Hard and you know, some like 525 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 3: really young nineteen twenty k Suzuki. But we were trying 526 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 3: to we would go to Cuba and we're trying to 527 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 3: qualify for the Olympics. And I met Paul Seiler, who 528 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 3: was the CEO of USA Baseball, and we just hit 529 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 3: it off and we ended up winning the thing and qualifying, 530 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 3: and it was just such a special time to put 531 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 3: Team USA or USA across your chest and wear the hat. 532 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 2: It was just really, really special. And I've never I've 533 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 2: just been. 534 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 3: Hoping one day I could get back and play or 535 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 3: coach with them in some capacity. 536 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 2: And when Mark de Rosa called me this a. 537 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 3: Couple of weeks ago, about a month ago, and asked 538 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 3: if I was willing to be his bench coach, I 539 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 3: mean I was through. I was ecstatic. I couldn't believe 540 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 3: that I got to do. 541 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 2: This thing again. 542 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 3: And then the names that he was talking about that 543 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 3: are going to be on our roster that haven't been 544 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 3: out there yet. It was just like too good to 545 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 3: be true. So very grateful. The staff is amazing. Get 546 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 3: to learn so much from these guys. I'm looking forward 547 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 3: to learning from the best in baseball, like coaches and players. 548 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 2: But you know, it was so cool to watch last WBC. 549 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 2: I mean it was amazing. 550 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 3: I was in Florida, obviously, so I would during spring 551 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 3: training I would go and watch Venezuela versus Port or 552 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 3: the Dominican and it was like forty thousand people just 553 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 3: going crazy. And then obviously the USA versus Japan at 554 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 3: the very end. Obviously USA didn't win, but what a 555 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 3: great thing it was for baseball. The experience I had 556 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 3: extreme fomo that I wasn't part of it, So to 557 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 3: be able to part of it, be part of it 558 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 3: now is really special for me. 559 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: I love the World Baseball Classic. That same time frame, 560 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: being out in Jupiter, the Cardinals had like over half 561 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: their roster playing in the WBC, so I pitched the 562 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: athletic I was like, Hey, these spring training games, like 563 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: the guys that were focusing on they're actually in the 564 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: World Baseball Classic. What if I went to Miami and 565 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: did you know, I think it was the first game, 566 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: like the quarterfinals, so I got to see Venezuela Puerto Rico. 567 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: I got to see Puerto Rico versus the dr and 568 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: it was just an insane environment. It was one of 569 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: the coolest baseball things I've ever experienced. I saw Albert 570 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: Poohle seven hundred firsthand, so that's saying something. I love 571 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: the World Baseball Classic and I'm so excited that you'll 572 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: be a part of it. I won't ask you for 573 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: any spoilers, but for the names that are already out there, 574 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: Aaron Judge, Paul Skins say less. I'm already in on 575 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: on Team USA. So I hope I get to You know, 576 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: this is me pitching to the athletic Let me do 577 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: it again, please, because it was just really I think 578 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: one of the things that baseball has really gotten right, 579 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: just to see the passion that everyone has when they're 580 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: playing for their country. You're seeing some of the best 581 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: in the game in a different environment. I loved it. 582 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: I loved every second of just being a participant of it. 583 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. 584 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 3: And the fan base is coming out of different areas 585 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 3: and like you know, Miami is you know, we have 586 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 3: a very Latin community that which is coming in pouring in, 587 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 3: and you just saw the passion they had for their 588 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 3: countries and like if I saw like ten different instruments, 589 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 3: you know, going and throughout the game, didn't matter what 590 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 3: the score was. 591 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 2: It was so much fun to watch. 592 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 3: And then you know, going to different countries and playing 593 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 3: and I think, you know, I don't know where they're 594 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 3: at with that, but I'm hoping. 595 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 2: That you know, this can go to you know, more 596 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 2: in the d R and more in Puerto Rico and 597 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 2: Venezuela and whatever. 598 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 3: Hopefully you know, it's some point that can happen too, 599 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 3: because it would be really special to see, you know, 600 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 3: the fan bases get to experience watching the best players 601 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 3: play for their countries. 602 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: Well, before we get you out of here, we have 603 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: to talk about perhaps even the more important tournament going on. 604 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: Your son, Brody is in his high school baseball team 605 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: is in the playoffs out in California. You mentioned he's 606 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: a TCU commit. Give us a scouting report. On Brody, 607 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: what's he got to do? 608 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 2: Hell? 609 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: Locked in? Is he? 610 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 5: Right now? 611 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 3: He's pretty locked in? You know, I'm very grateful to 612 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 3: have this reset in my life. I haven't been home 613 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,959 Speaker 3: this time of year and twenty years, right, I mean, 614 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 3: it's just been a long time. So getting to see 615 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 3: my son play high school baseball for the first time, 616 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 3: getting my see my daughter play high school soccer for 617 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 3: the first time this year, and then obviously going on 618 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 3: this little playoff run that he is on. Is I 619 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 3: get to fill my cup up and then whatever happens 620 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 3: next year. You know, I'd love to jump back in, 621 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 3: but I think the fact that I got to do 622 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 3: this and just watch him play, I just get to 623 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 3: take it all in and just sit back and just 624 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 3: enjoy it. But you know, they play, Uh he's in 625 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 3: the Trinity League, which is a you know, very good 626 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 3: league out here and maybe the best in the nation. 627 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 2: Honestly, it has the modern Days and Jay Sarah and 628 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 2: Bosco and just like Powerhouse. 629 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 3: He goes to Santa Margarita if they play Crispy High 630 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 3: School today and uh, if they win, then they go 631 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 3: to the championship against everyone's heard of this Corona team 632 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 3: with like all these number one potential picks potentially against them. 633 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 2: They beat Bosco, so it's one game away from the championship. 634 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 2: He had a good year All Trinity League. You know, 635 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 2: he's he's doing well. 636 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 3: So it's but he's about winning, which I'm very you know, 637 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 3: I really love that about him. He can well, I 638 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 3: just think that winning is winning takes care of everything else. 639 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 3: And he's Chris mallag in Santa Margarita has a really 640 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 3: good culture and so I'm I'm lucky that he's in 641 00:28:58,800 --> 00:28:59,719 Speaker 3: a program like that. 642 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: Well, this podcast is officially pro Brodie Schumacher. So we 643 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: are rooting for you, Brody. We are rooting for you 644 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: Skip as always. Thank you so much for taking the 645 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: time to do this. Like I mentioned, you continue to 646 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: be a Cardinals fan favorite. In fact, one of my 647 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: favorite memories of you is the twenty twenty three opening 648 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: day Cardinals Marlins. Oh no, it's twenty twenty four. I'm sorry. 649 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: Vibes weren't like super high about the team at that point, 650 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: and you and Willie McGee got the loudest fan ovations 651 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: on opening day in Saint Louis as you were the 652 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: opposing manager. So that says a lot about what Cardinals 653 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: fans think about you. 654 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 2: I know that was such a special moment. 655 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 3: My family flew in for that and for them to 656 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 3: hear that ovation and was something I'll never forget. And 657 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 3: I just obviously loved my time there, and thanks for 658 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 3: having me on and always going to be a fan 659 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 3: of Saint Louis. 660 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 2: Shockingly, no, not shocks. 661 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: At all, Skip, Thank you so much, Cardinal Territory. We're 662 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: back with you after the series in Arlington, and I'll 663 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: be back to break things down maybe another series win. 664 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: Who knows for Skip Schumacher, I'm Katie Who. This is 665 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: Cardinal Territory. Thanks as always for watching. H