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Speaker 2: of the weekend, all of that forthcoming. But when was
Speaker 2: the last time you were truly shocked? Sports shocked? This
Speaker 2: is one of those. It was midnight Eastern and getting
Speaker 2: messages on my phone that was like, OMG, question mark
Speaker 2: exclamation point? What the f question mark exclamation point? And
Speaker 2: I don't know what's happened. So all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you go, I gotta contact somebody. So I sent a
Speaker 2: message to my wife. I said, is everything okay? And
Speaker 2: she said, yeah, did you hear about the Luka Doncik?
Speaker 2: Is that how you pronounce his name? I go, you
Speaker 2: know it before I know it? And she said, yes,
Speaker 2: everybody on the internet is talking about this. Is that
Speaker 2: how you pronounce his name? I said, yes, it is
Speaker 2: Luka Doncik traded to the Lakers. And you start to
Speaker 2: think about all the insiders. People get paid millions and
Speaker 2: millions of dollars to be the insider. Give us a
Speaker 2: heads up there, and then all of a sudden, nobody
Speaker 2: was an insider. Nobody had any information on this. Even
Speaker 2: the players involved in the deal had no idea that
Speaker 2: this was going on. Now I understand the mab side
Speaker 2: of this with Luca that you're not going to tell
Speaker 2: him if you're getting ready to part ways with him,
Speaker 2: you're not going to say anything to him. The Lakers
Speaker 2: with Lebron, Lebron friends with Ad, brought Ad in from
Speaker 2: New Orleans. They want a title together. They're buds. Then
Speaker 2: there was a report there at odds with one another.
Speaker 2: Maybe Lebron doesn't like that Ad is not always available.
Speaker 2: Ad last year played in seventy six games. Now he
Speaker 2: was injured or is injured on abdominal strain or something.
Speaker 2: But the fact that you get a guy who does
Speaker 2: have good numbers when he's played, but you're going to
Speaker 2: get Luka Dancik in his prime. And that's where you go.
Speaker 2: Why first question? And I still say that why Brian
Speaker 2: winhors to the Mothership? Will Joe is coming up top
Speaker 2: of next hour. But the Mavericks went to the NBA
Speaker 2: Finals last year. It's not like they flamed out in
Speaker 2: the first round. It's not where you go, man. They
Speaker 2: got to make some big decisions here, They got to
Speaker 2: make some changes here. They went to the NBA Finals
Speaker 2: last year, and you get rid of Luca, who's twenty
Speaker 2: five and you get Anthony Davis in return because you
Speaker 2: say defense wins championships. And then you were talking about
Speaker 2: your culture, the MAVs culture, that these players they got
Speaker 2: fit in better than Luca, And it goes back to
Speaker 2: why what do the MAVs know that we don't know yet?
Speaker 3: And was it just Luca was not in shape?
Speaker 2: You don't want to give him a max deal where
Speaker 2: he's going to be making over seventy million dollars a year,
Speaker 2: but you know it's one of those one you're watch
Speaker 2: him play and you go, gosh, if he ever gets
Speaker 2: in shape, you know he'll average forty a game. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's still good to averaging thirty a game, and you know,
Speaker 2: you look at his weight.
Speaker 3: That's a big deal.
Speaker 2: I mean, just like Zion Williamson that that has become
Speaker 2: a big issue. I wouldn't be surprised if Zion is
Speaker 2: moved at some point in his career. But here's Luca,
Speaker 2: arguably one of the top five players, certainly one of
Speaker 2: the top ten players, and you get him at twenty
Speaker 2: five Anthony Davis.
Speaker 3: You're not going to build around him.
Speaker 2: And it's weird that it feels like Sacramento got more
Speaker 2: for Daron Fox than the Mavericks got for you know,
Speaker 2: the trade with Luka Doncik Darren Fox going to San Antonio,
Speaker 2: which I think is great, love it thought it was wonderful,
Speaker 2: But as far as the Lakers, it was one of
Speaker 2: those where and you start to look at sports surprises.
Speaker 2: You know, when Kobe passed away, we didn't want to
Speaker 2: believe it. It's like no, no, you know it's a
Speaker 2: tragedy and you're like, no, that that couldn't possibly have happened,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden you realize that it
Speaker 2: did happen. I was doing Sports Center when Magic announced
Speaker 2: that he had HIV and then he was going to
Speaker 2: have to retire.
Speaker 3: Like that is sports.
Speaker 1: Shocked this a.
Speaker 2: And if you're looking at things that probably would shock you,
Speaker 2: I'll go back to when Luel Sindor was traded from
Speaker 2: the Bucks to the Lakers, and I remember, guys, you
Speaker 2: just traded the best player in the game, and you
Speaker 2: got Junior Bridgeman and you got Dave Myers and I
Speaker 2: think Elmore Smith was in. You know, it wasn't a
Speaker 2: great list of players, even when Wilt Chamberlain was traded.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't get as much as you think
Speaker 2: and return Oscar Robertson traded to the Bucks. You got, uh,
Speaker 2: two marginal players out of that.
Speaker 3: But I would have thought draft picks.
Speaker 2: I would have thought you could have gotten a whole
Speaker 2: lot more from a lot of other people. And it's
Speaker 2: like you didn't let everybody know. It's almost like you're
Speaker 2: single and then all of a sudden, you're gonna marry
Speaker 2: the first guy that you meet, like, I gotta I
Speaker 2: gotta get spread this. Maybe there's other options out there.
Speaker 2: That was what was surprising. And they kept it quiet,
Speaker 2: which I thought was fascinated in today's world where everybody
Speaker 2: in Hollywood, somebody's telling somebody something.
Speaker 1: But they kept it quiet.
Speaker 2: And now you have the Dallas Mavericks with Anthony Davis.
Speaker 2: As they move forward, and I hope they play great defense.
Speaker 2: Somebody better tell Kyrie Irving he's got to play defense
Speaker 2: because defense wins championships. But Luca, look, I don't like
Speaker 2: Luca going to the Lakers because you got two ball
Speaker 2: dominant guys. You know, Lebron wants to have the ball
Speaker 2: and so does Luca. Okay, don't like it. I mean
Speaker 2: I love it from the standpoint of you got to
Speaker 2: watch it, But I don't know if it's one of those.
Speaker 1: Where you go, all right, I see what they're doing.
Speaker 2: Now, this is long term. This is a long play.
Speaker 2: You know, he's twenty five. But as far as Lebron
Speaker 2: is Lebron going to stay longer?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 3: Does he want to get traded?
Speaker 2: And I think those are questions that we'll ask, you know,
Speaker 2: Wendy when he joins this next hour.
Speaker 4: Yes, Marvin, but Lebron's won championship with ball dominant guys before,
Speaker 4: like Dwayne Wade and Kyrie Irving. So if it worked there,
Speaker 4: it might work here. Just one last shot man. So
Speaker 4: Lebron was good at playing a lot of your turn,
Speaker 4: My Turn with d Wade and Kyrie, So maybe this
Speaker 4: might be the plan for the Lakers.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, Luca's gonna want the ball now, Luca's
Speaker 2: gonna want to be out on, you know, for vengeance.
Speaker 5: Here.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna show everybody, you know, you see that's what happens,
Speaker 2: you get traded.
Speaker 3: Like he was shocked.
Speaker 2: He was like, wall, I didn't know anything about this.
Speaker 2: Jason Kidd didn't know, nobody knew anything about this.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: See, yeah, it does seem like Lebron is a guy
Speaker 6: who doesn't mind not having it all on his shoulders, right,
Speaker 6: and so he wants the ball, maybe wants it a
Speaker 6: little less these days. I'm like, ah, man, this is
Speaker 6: your Like Marvin said, now this is your turn, and
Speaker 6: then I'll I'll get the next one.
Speaker 2: And I worry about Bronni too, just to make sure
Speaker 2: that he's going to get his touches as well as
Speaker 2: most people are.
Speaker 7: Yes, Paul, I have this policy for the past twenty
Speaker 7: or thirty years. If the Lakers are calling me or
Speaker 7: talking to me about a trade, don't do it. Pow
Speaker 7: Gasol Kobe Bryant when they during the draft, Uh Shaquille O'Neill.
Speaker 7: In his prime, Leuel Cindar looking Leuis sinder was twenty six,
Speaker 7: he had won two of the previous three MVPs and
Speaker 7: Milwaukee goes, let's get rid of this guy. It's hard
Speaker 7: to make sense of that at the time, and this
Speaker 7: one's just as bad.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Luel Sindor wanted out of Milwaukee, wanted to go to
Speaker 2: Los Angeles. He had played his college ball out there,
Speaker 2: and I think that he wanted out of that situation.
Speaker 2: But you know, the difference is with the Lakers. Usually
Speaker 2: Jerry West was on the other end. If Jerry West calls,
Speaker 2: then you don't you don't pick up because you know, somehow,
Speaker 2: someway this isn't going to work out. But Rob Polinka
Speaker 2: made the move, pulled the trigger on this, and I good,
Speaker 2: you know, credit to the Lakers. I didn't think they
Speaker 2: were going anywhere with Anthony Davis. But at least you've
Speaker 2: I don't know, revitalized your fan base and maybe you
Speaker 2: now to look at the future and maybe you go, Okay,
Speaker 2: we have somebody we can build on who's not forty
Speaker 2: years of age.
Speaker 3: Yes, you know.
Speaker 6: And all of the attention is going to the Lakers
Speaker 6: and the MAVs obviously, But then when you look at
Speaker 6: the other side of some of these trades, it's like,
Speaker 6: what are the bulls doing?
Speaker 3: Well, what have the Bulls been doing for the last
Speaker 3: twenty years.
Speaker 6: They're like a team that's being stripped down for parts
Speaker 6: because like some gigantic company bought them and like a
Speaker 6: just sell off all the good stuff and then well
Speaker 6: it's crazy.
Speaker 2: It's like when animals cross a river and you know,
Speaker 2: some make it and something like the bulls crossing the
Speaker 2: river and then it's like, oh, we lost one, we
Speaker 2: lost another one, and they finally traded zach Lavine. He's
Speaker 2: probably been rumored to have been traded one hundred times,
Speaker 2: it feels like in the last couple of years. So
Speaker 2: he goes to Sacramento, and of course you reunite him
Speaker 2: with Tomorro Rosen and that's going to be magic there.
Speaker 4: Yes, Marvin zach Lavine is Bradley beal Light Wow, a
Speaker 4: lot of points, but it doesn't lead to wins, so.
Speaker 3: That's not a compliment. No, no, no, okay, yeah.
Speaker 8: Both players, but no, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: I've been wanting to ask you this for about a
Speaker 1: day and a half.
Speaker 7: If you're the Lakers, I'd like to know how much
Speaker 7: time after the initial call to the trade was made,
Speaker 7: and how much due diligence did you get, because whenever
Speaker 7: someone offers you something too good to be true, I
Speaker 7: got to know why this house is six hundred thousand
Speaker 7: should be a million.
Speaker 1: Oh it's got mold. That's what it feels like.
Speaker 7: The Lakers are getting something that the Mavericks really didn't want.
Speaker 1: Why how do you ask that? How do you find
Speaker 1: out why they don't want Luke anymore?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think that's what we're waiting for.
Speaker 2: I think everybody was like, and this is one of
Speaker 2: those where NBA players in games they're passing the phone
Speaker 2: around on the bench because nobody believes it's real.
Speaker 3: It's like, you got to be kidding me.
Speaker 1: Wait, you see this, you see this, you see this,
Speaker 1: you see this?
Speaker 6: Yes, Seed, And they can't even be like, well, you
Speaker 6: know what. The chance to get Anthony Davis is just
Speaker 6: too good to pass up, and they're.
Speaker 1: Like, what do you want him for?
Speaker 9: Yes, Todd, is there standard physically after all trades or
Speaker 9: they have to do that before they becomes efficient.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and both players are injured. I didn't think you
Speaker 2: could trade injured players. If David Stern was still the commissioner,
Speaker 2: I would love to have heard his reaction, but he
Speaker 2: have vetoed this like you did, Chris Paul to the Lakers.
Speaker 6: I see, oh, okay, you guys just want to move
Speaker 6: stars wherever.
Speaker 2: Okay, And then it goes back to you know, loyalty, franchise, loyalty.
Speaker 2: Luca didn't want to leave. You know, we always talk
Speaker 2: about the players in the NBA. Oh, they're holding up
Speaker 2: these franchises. You know, they're the ones that are dictating
Speaker 2: what goes on. Uh.
Speaker 3: By all accounts, neither of these players knew what was
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 4: Yes, Marv, and I think we all have to let
Speaker 4: the public know Mark Cuban is not the majority owner
Speaker 4: of the Dallas Mavericks anymore, because I got about three
Speaker 4: text messages. What is Mark Cuban doing? He's just sitting there.
Speaker 4: He didn't do this.
Speaker 3: I know Fritzy.
Speaker 2: We were at dinner last night and I said to Fritzy,
Speaker 2: reach out to Cuban. So he said, uh, he can't.
Speaker 5: I can't.
Speaker 2: I thought, that's sorry, and I said, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: why can't he He didn't make the move, but he
Speaker 2: still owns like twenty seven percent of the mavericke He's
Speaker 2: very busy.
Speaker 10: Shark Tang has got a lot of stuff going.
Speaker 4: On and dealing.
Speaker 2: But this is where Paula goes, Yeah, telling we can
Speaker 2: tape it right now. We'll go like, we'll tape it
Speaker 2: whatever time you want.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I love Paul's like, guess is out of the country.
Speaker 10: You can't do it.
Speaker 4: They don't. I zoomed it off the phones out of
Speaker 4: the country.
Speaker 7: Yeah, paul I wonder if Mark Cuban's I can't was
Speaker 7: I can't like he loved Luca and he made his
Speaker 7: declarations years ago and always loved him.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's one of those guys where you
Speaker 2: paired him with Kyrie Irving, they go to the NBA Finals,
Speaker 2: you would think, Okay, I mean it's not a great team,
Speaker 2: but still you went to the NBA Finals last year
Speaker 2: and then you decide to part ways.
Speaker 1: But I don't.
Speaker 2: Maybe they just looked at this and said, he's where
Speaker 2: he is now at twenty five, how much better is
Speaker 2: he going to get? How much does he care? And
Speaker 2: then they talk. You know, all these teams, en franchises
Speaker 2: have culture.
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's.
Speaker 2: Patriots culture, and it's heat culture, and it's I don't
Speaker 2: even know what that means.
Speaker 3: All I know is.
Speaker 2: Anthony Davis already has it and he hasn't even put
Speaker 2: on the uniform yet, which is pretty amazing. You buy
Speaker 2: it in the gift shop when you you know, land
Speaker 2: in Dallas Fort Worth, Yeah, Seeton.
Speaker 6: There's a quote from Mark Cuban all over the internet
Speaker 6: now that as far as I can could tell, is real.
Speaker 6: But Mark Cuban said, if I had to choose between
Speaker 6: my wife and keeping Luca on the MAVs catch me
Speaker 6: at my lawyer's office prepping for a divorce.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: You know, she could probably use that in future negotiations.
Speaker 1: I'm a lawyer.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't have been funny if the Lakers get Luca Mark
Speaker 2: Cuban's wife. Oh, they get Maxie Kleeber and Market Morris,
Speaker 2: the first wife you know traded.
Speaker 1: Yet the deal makes sense?
Speaker 7: Yeah to mar and I were joking at the end
Speaker 7: of the day when they introduced you know, they always
Speaker 7: introduced the new player they trade for, and they hold
Speaker 7: up the jersey that he's gonna wear.
Speaker 1: When Luca gets.
Speaker 7: Introduced in LA, when they introduced Anthony Davis and Dallas,
Speaker 7: do they hold up a sweater and pants?
Speaker 1: Wow, sang Street clothes. Not really, Fairy's playing a lot lately.
Speaker 1: I retract that statement. Retracted.
Speaker 4: Damn, yeah, much too soon.
Speaker 1: Street. He's playing well, we returned he is.
Speaker 3: He is, of course, coming back from another injury.
Speaker 4: Yes, marsh I saw Luca get off the plane miraculously.
Speaker 4: He's twenty five pounds down now. He looks great, shreadfast. Oh,
Speaker 4: he looked great. He looked like James Harden when he
Speaker 4: got traded, because James Harden was over here looking like
Speaker 4: Professor Klamb at one point.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like when your significant other that decides to
Speaker 2: divorce you and then you get you back to your
Speaker 2: playing weight, like you all of a sudden go all right,
Speaker 2: I'm out there on the mark.
Speaker 1: But in thirty six hours and he gets him spanks, he's.
Speaker 2: Going to Ozempicville. Oh, he's going to Hollywood.
Speaker 1: Part of his contract.
Speaker 2: Yes, they may have hooked him up on the plane
Speaker 2: where he's Can I get an iva of that ozempic
Speaker 2: here down twenty five? By the way, six ers weren't
Speaker 2: the Celtics down by twenty seven.
Speaker 3: Last night and came back. We were in a bar
Speaker 3: or restaurant. Every TV.
Speaker 2: There had to be fifteen TVs and that was the
Speaker 2: only thing on the Celtics and the seventy six ers
Speaker 2: every single TV.
Speaker 10: And it wasn't that bizarre.
Speaker 9: I know it's not a sports bar, but there were
Speaker 9: like eighteen to twenty tev's. Everyone had the Celtic sixer
Speaker 9: game on its New Orleans. It's not like we were
Speaker 9: in the outskirts of Philly or bostsk.
Speaker 3: All I know is you were on fire last night.
Speaker 4: I was a hyper I don't know why exactly there
Speaker 4: was a rest.
Speaker 1: There's a point in dinner where I wish I was
Speaker 1: on fire.
Speaker 2: Last night I made Todd drink a beer just to
Speaker 2: see if it would, you know, slow him down, shut
Speaker 2: him up.
Speaker 3: It didn't.
Speaker 2: I drank like half of that both. Oh I know, Oh,
Speaker 2: I know. Poll question seton. We gotten an obvious one
Speaker 2: for the first hour.
Speaker 6: Well, we have some that are trade related. We have
Speaker 6: one off of stapped dinners that Todd's had submitted.
Speaker 1: You know what, we'll wait too.
Speaker 2: After the break, we'll go over our poll questions for
Speaker 2: the first hour, best and worst of the weekend. Operator
Speaker 2: Tyler sitting by, he'll take your phone calls. Had a
Speaker 2: interesting situation last night as I looked out of my window,
Speaker 2: my bedroom window at the hotel, and saw five guys
Speaker 2: in their underwear in the swimming pool, and I said,
Speaker 2: that guy looks like one of my employees. In fact,
Speaker 2: they're all my employees in the pool in their underwear,
Speaker 2: led by Dylan, of course.
Speaker 1: So we'll take a break. I think that was referred
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Speaker 2: Rumor has it there will be a pickleball match front
Speaker 2: row back row at some point this week. We're at
Speaker 2: the Exchange, which is a beautiful facility here in New Orleans,
Speaker 2: and I think it's Paulie and Marvin versus Seaton and
Speaker 2: Fritzy pickleball. I don't know what the stakes are. I
Speaker 2: just know that their rumor has it. There's going to
Speaker 2: be a pickleball matchup at some point this week.
Speaker 7: Yes, Paul, I think speaking for all of us, we
Speaker 7: know very little about the rules and regulations of pickleball.
Speaker 3: I've only played it once. I want to know.
Speaker 2: I'm an expert, but I'm only here for guidance with
Speaker 2: you guys, and I reached out to Miller Lyte. We
Speaker 2: have some great accessories for you guys to play pickleball.
Speaker 2: You will look like you know what you're doing. That's
Speaker 2: my goal guaranteed.
Speaker 1: Yes time.
Speaker 4: What about the terminology. You said something the other day
Speaker 4: about the kitchen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to learn some turn You're gonna learn it.
Speaker 2: You're going to learn some you know, you got to
Speaker 2: serve underhand. You know they can't be in the kitchen,
Speaker 2: and you know it's something you're gonna need to know.
Speaker 1: You can't high paddle. That would that be called high paddling.
Speaker 3: Well, you can do that after the serve happened. Oh okay, okay,
Speaker 3: got it. I just want to Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 1: The ball is served.
Speaker 4: Okay, got it.
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Speaker 2: in a moment. Poll questions Todd or U Seaton. Who's
Speaker 2: doing the honors?
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got a couple.
Speaker 6: We'll start with a I think kind of an easy one.
Speaker 6: Which team got most better this weekend? Lakers, MAVs are Spurs.
Speaker 6: Oh okay, I like that, all right? The to double
Speaker 6: D He's sent in two. The Luka Doncic Anthony Davis
Speaker 6: trade benefits the Lakers, the MAVs both teams neither, But
Speaker 6: then he sent in the one that was a little
Speaker 6: more controversial. Staff dinners are dot dot dot generally a
Speaker 6: fun time, okay, depending on and where you're seated or mandatory.
Speaker 3: How would you answer your poll question?
Speaker 4: Tom? I would say generally a fun time.
Speaker 9: But I've worked on other shows and been with other
Speaker 9: staffs where every one of those three I could have
Speaker 9: picked at different points in my career. Yesterday was a
Speaker 9: fun time. But I've been in situations where I guess
Speaker 9: I got to go to this thing. Everyone's gonna show up,
Speaker 9: and it's gonna look like I don't.
Speaker 1: Want to hang out with these people.
Speaker 9: There's been other times where I'm like, this is cool,
Speaker 9: but I really wanted to sit next to that guy
Speaker 9: and he's at the other end of the table, and
Speaker 9: now they stuck me here, and that's not great.
Speaker 1: I know how that feels. Yeah, I was right.
Speaker 3: Across from Paulie.
Speaker 2: Paulie was next to you, and I go of all
Speaker 2: the places, you know, the two siblings, like if you
Speaker 2: and your brother and you don't like each other, don't
Speaker 2: get along, and but you always sit.
Speaker 3: Next to each other. You were there and you were
Speaker 3: shot out of a camp.
Speaker 9: I thought it went very well, except that I was
Speaker 9: a little too much of a chatterbox, and that was
Speaker 9: a kind of irritating.
Speaker 3: You kept sit, Oh, what goes on upstairs? You can
Speaker 3: go upstairs. Nobody's telling us, wait and go upstairs. Hey,
Speaker 3: what if I get in that elevator?
Speaker 1: Where where's that tap? I was sitting.
Speaker 4: We were sitting right on top of this big like
Speaker 4: silver elevator. I was just very curious. And then there
Speaker 4: was some kind of staircase and there was interesting lights.
Speaker 9: I didn't know if it used to be like some
Speaker 9: kind of brothel or something like that, kind of different colors,
Speaker 9: and things were.
Speaker 4: Gone in it was why are we gonna go get
Speaker 4: it was? It was just I don't know. I had
Speaker 4: a vibe to it.
Speaker 1: And then there was a birthday. Yeah, there was presentation.
Speaker 2: We had some video of that where Marvin, I think,
Speaker 2: did you tell somebody it was your birthday and it
Speaker 2: wasn't your birthday?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 4: A couple of brgs, Oh, they said it was somebody
Speaker 4: else's another brg's birthday.
Speaker 2: And there was some dancing going on.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So one of the brg's goes, Marvet, I've never
Speaker 4: seen you turn your head faster in my life.
Speaker 3: That woman was right behind you.
Speaker 1: She sure was.
Speaker 2: Yes, there were a couple of women right behind you.
Speaker 2: There were Yeah, birthday. Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 4: That's our birthday. Shout out next time when somebody says, oh,
Speaker 4: my wife Phyllis, she loves the show. It's her birthday.
Speaker 4: That's the song from now on. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Marvin goes, hey, do you think we could go back
Speaker 2: there today? And I say it's my birthday again? I said, sure,
Speaker 2: you can do that all right? Eight seven seven three
Speaker 2: DP show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle the
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Speaker 2: the weekend coming up. Let's settle on the poll question,
Speaker 2: which one do you want to go with? First hour
Speaker 2: seat before we bring into Ross Tuck.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're actually gonna put up two of them. We're
Speaker 6: gonna put up Steph Dinners and we're gonna put up
Speaker 6: which team got most better this weekend?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Our next guest, you know him from his great football
Speaker 2: calls on CBS in Westwood One he played in the NFL,
Speaker 2: says he could have gotten into Princeton on his grades alone.
Speaker 2: Nobody's buying that. His head is bigger than some compact cars.
Speaker 2: You know him, you love him.
Speaker 3: He there's Ross Tucker.
Speaker 2: Let's go and have him, all right, No, No, closer
Speaker 2: to me, Closer to me.
Speaker 3: Look at Ross Tunkers.
Speaker 13: Zero percent chance I would have gotten into printing without football.
Speaker 4: Zero. The Valleytory in my high.
Speaker 13: School my year did not get in the same year
Speaker 13: I got in.
Speaker 4: It was a little bit dicey.
Speaker 3: And they wanted to get into Princeton.
Speaker 4: Yeah. All I ever want to do is play football
Speaker 4: for Penn State.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: All they ever wanted to do was go to Princeville Harvard.
Speaker 13: And thankfully, by senior year he was a little bit
Speaker 13: more relaxed that I could joke, And I said, listen, Richard,
Speaker 13: while you were falling around studying, I was looking at
Speaker 13: wait trying to get into the best colleges.
Speaker 4: He went to Columbia or Penn. He's a doctor. I'm
Speaker 4: sure he's doing great.
Speaker 13: Yeah, but but yeah, I guess you know, they only
Speaker 13: take so many people from EAT school, so I guess
Speaker 13: I kind of took a spot.
Speaker 2: Can you remember a sports shock in the NFL that's
Speaker 2: anywhere near what we got with the NBA.
Speaker 13: I remember being very I'm not saying it's near where
Speaker 13: the NBA is, but I remember Easter Sunday one year
Speaker 13: the Eagles traded Donovan McNabb to the Redskins, and that
Speaker 13: was like wow, right, I mean, you know in division
Speaker 13: and Donovan had been the face of the Eagles franchise
Speaker 13: for a decade. That was one where I think, you know,
Speaker 13: I used to be working for a serious ExM. I
Speaker 13: think we had an emergency show and I think they
Speaker 13: called me like, can you do a show tonight Easter
Speaker 13: Sunday night.
Speaker 4: To discuss that.
Speaker 13: I thought it was pretty crazy when the Patriots traded
Speaker 13: Bledsoe to the Bills. Although you kind of knew that
Speaker 13: was coming, not to this extent, not not like I
Speaker 13: will say this, I don't know that much about the
Speaker 13: NBA or that many guys, but the NBA. In the NBA,
Speaker 13: if you're not sure what's happening, when in doubt, the
Speaker 13: guy probably wanted out.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, that's it seemed like all these guys.
Speaker 13: That's all they talk about in Philly now is Embid
Speaker 13: and you know, Jimmy Butler. It just seems like if
Speaker 13: you're not sure why a team was moving on from
Speaker 13: a guy, that guy probably wanted I don't anything about Luca.
Speaker 13: Maybe he loved Dallas, but that's just that's my two
Speaker 13: cents about the NBA.
Speaker 2: I thought about Andrew luck that that was oh yes,
Speaker 2: because it felt like that he finally got the Colts
Speaker 2: offensive line figured out that he was getting healthier, he
Speaker 2: was in his prime, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: Chefty drops the bomb that he's retiring. And that was
Speaker 2: during preseason when he was at the game on the sidelines,
Speaker 2: and then the fans started booing him.
Speaker 13: Yeah, that really hurt my heart. I didn't like how
Speaker 13: any of that went down. You're right, because what guy
Speaker 13: retires in the middle or at least it comes out
Speaker 13: in the middle of like the second preseason game. That's
Speaker 13: just not a thing for a starting quarterback to retire
Speaker 13: middle of the second or third preseason game. You're right,
Speaker 13: And then they were booing him, and then he had
Speaker 13: that awkward press conference and you know that's not how
Speaker 13: he wanted it to go. I always think about situations
Speaker 13: like that, Dan, I know you're similar.
Speaker 4: Who did that? Like who told Schefty and Chef?
Speaker 13: You know, Scheffy did his job, but who somebody my guess,
Speaker 13: and the cult organization was not happy and they put
Speaker 13: it out there and kind of put Andrew in a
Speaker 13: bad spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chefty tried to do a NFL camp on Luka
Speaker 2: Doncik and Anthony Davis, and I think he said Joe
Speaker 2: Burrow for Lamar Jackson, right, And that's not good. That's
Speaker 2: why I've heard it's not even close. It would be
Speaker 2: where you have somebody who is twenty five and then
Speaker 2: a quarterback who's thirty two, a quarterback who's twenty five
Speaker 2: and awesome, and then if you said Joe Burrow Dak Prescott,
Speaker 2: that to me would be the comp Dak Prescott injured
Speaker 2: A lot has had some success hasn't won anything. Joe
Speaker 2: Burrow is twenty five and still in his prime. So
Speaker 2: I would say that is that would be the modern
Speaker 2: day NFL.
Speaker 3: Comp for me.
Speaker 13: So, and again I don't follow the MBDA that closely, Dan,
Speaker 13: but everybody's saying, how could the MAVs do this?
Speaker 4: How could the MAVs do this?
Speaker 13: Whoever's running their organization, they're not that thomb right, Like,
Speaker 13: there's got to be some reasoning, some logic. Maybe we'll
Speaker 13: find out, maybe we won't. I saw where he's eligible
Speaker 13: for the super Max in a year or two. Maybe
Speaker 13: he told him I don't want to be there, like,
Speaker 13: I'm not gonna sign this with you. If if you
Speaker 13: want to get anything in return for me, you better
Speaker 13: trade me. Now, there's got to be more to it that.
Speaker 13: For whatever various reasons, agents and all that stuff, they
Speaker 13: don't they want, they don't want to put.
Speaker 4: It out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he was generally shocked. And I think
Speaker 3: you have a GM.
Speaker 2: Who basically says I'm either gonna be you know, champion
Speaker 2: or vilified, Yeah, in three years from now. So it
Speaker 2: feels like and there there's always you know, ancillary things
Speaker 2: that go into this. But you know, they talked about
Speaker 2: the Miami or the Mavericks culture that you know, these
Speaker 2: players will buy into the MAVs culture, and maybe he didn't.
Speaker 2: They talked about his weight and he was out of shape,
Speaker 2: so you know, these code words that it felt like,
Speaker 2: do we want to give this guy seventy five million
Speaker 2: dollars a year?
Speaker 4: Year? Right?
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, it's not like he's going to slow
Speaker 2: down or he can't jump any hunt. He's like Luca
Speaker 2: don Or. Yeah, he's like Joker where he's not going
Speaker 2: to slow down because he's already slowed down. Like he
Speaker 2: this is how he plays. He's gonna play old man
Speaker 2: basketball the rest of his career. So that's what I
Speaker 2: don't If he shows up with a you know, a
Speaker 2: beer belly, cut off shorts, smoking cigarettes, I'd be like,
Speaker 2: all right, that guy's still gonna get twenty five at night.
Speaker 13: So it's funny because the two things that jump out
Speaker 13: to me, I'll never forget. I can't remember what game
Speaker 13: they won last year. But after the game, he's drinking
Speaker 13: a beer. Yeah, Michael Finley comes over.
Speaker 4: And takes it out of his hand.
Speaker 13: I thought, I don't know about that, Like he's the
Speaker 13: best player. And it's one thing to say, hey man,
Speaker 13: probably not a good idea to have that beer and everything,
Speaker 13: like take it out of his head.
Speaker 4: I'd be like, dude, who are you? I just won
Speaker 4: the game for us with the NBA Finals. Give me
Speaker 4: my beer. That's how I would have been, Give me
Speaker 4: my beer.
Speaker 13: The other thing is there's certain I played basketball through
Speaker 13: high school, loved it.
Speaker 4: I get the guys that are fast, can jump.
Speaker 13: High, all those things I'm amazed by, like Brunson or Luca.
Speaker 13: Damn they're slow, they can't jump, and yet there I
Speaker 13: watched him.
Speaker 4: I'm like, how is he doing this?
Speaker 13: Because you know, it is hard to get your shot
Speaker 13: off if you're not coming off a screen, off a dribble.
Speaker 4: The way they change it's really really impressive.
Speaker 2: But it's like, and we're talking to Ross Tucker a
Speaker 2: CBS Sports, like Le'Veon bell he wasn't the fastest guy, right,
Speaker 2: but he kind.
Speaker 1: Of drifted drifted boom, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Drifted drifted boom, you know, And I guess there's comparisons
Speaker 2: in all walks of life. Let me go back to
Speaker 2: the trade, where Luca may thank the MAVs at some
Speaker 2: point for restarting his career or getting to realize get
Speaker 2: in shape, you can be one of the greatest players
Speaker 2: of all time. I go back to when Chris Carter
Speaker 2: was going through his drug problems and Buddy Ryan traded him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and Chris later in his career said he saved my
Speaker 2: career because he he woke me up. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's to that degree with Luca that he you
Speaker 2: know he does it's not drugs, but it's is taking
Speaker 2: care of himself. And Buddy traded Chris and didn't want to,
Speaker 2: but had to because he thought it was best for
Speaker 2: Chris's career.
Speaker 13: But also maybe this is just who Luca is and
Speaker 13: maybe he can keep going like this. I mean, isn't
Speaker 13: Ovechkin about to break Gretzky's record? Ovechkin, I know some
Speaker 13: guys that know he's been running hard for a while,
Speaker 13: maybe not as much as he used to do, but
Speaker 13: like the fact that that guy is gonna break Gretzky's record.
Speaker 13: He's not only burns it at both ends, but he's
Speaker 13: like a hitter, you know what I mean, Like he's
Speaker 13: not like just your finesse.
Speaker 4: You know, goal scorer like Ovechkin.
Speaker 13: That that's incredible to me that he's still playing and
Speaker 13: about the break that I can't believe.
Speaker 4: I'm talking basketball.
Speaker 2: Tim Legler here, if the Eagles win the Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: and how will we look at how will history look
Speaker 2: at that trade that the Eagles made getting Saquon barklay.
Speaker 13: Ooh, they will call it one of the best free
Speaker 13: agent signings of all time. Yeah, they'll call it one
Speaker 13: of the best free agent signs of all time. And
Speaker 13: it'll just make it look even uglier for the Giants.
Speaker 13: I mean, we talked about a little bit about McNabb
Speaker 13: and bledsoee in division. Not only was Saquon and division.
Speaker 13: We have it on tape, the owner saying to the
Speaker 13: GM boy, I'd have a tough time sleeping. He's our
Speaker 13: best player, he's by far our most popular player.
Speaker 4: And the owner kept that guy.
Speaker 13: The owner said, I would Can you imagine losing a
Speaker 13: guy that might be a difference maker, may be offensive
Speaker 13: player of the year Dan.
Speaker 4: I think they offered him ten and a.
Speaker 13: Half eleven, but they weren't going to go to twelve
Speaker 13: and a half or whatever. If you think about that,
Speaker 13: these are the Giants are probably worth eight billion dollars,
Speaker 13: right over a million and a half they let their
Speaker 13: best and most popular player go to the other team
Speaker 13: in their division. Don't you think in like just just
Speaker 13: ticket sales and just jerseys, don't you think Saquan almost
Speaker 13: makes up for that million and a half a year
Speaker 13: like that. Stuff like that is the stuff I really
Speaker 13: really don't understand.
Speaker 2: I just hope that it revitalized the running back position
Speaker 2: because I kept waiting, knew it would happen. I didn't
Speaker 2: know would happened like this. But you got Derek Kentner, mean,
Speaker 2: you got teams that really James Cook that they focus
Speaker 2: on the run.
Speaker 4: Josh Jacobs, Joe Mixon.
Speaker 13: There's a bunch of guys that got signed, older veteran guys.
Speaker 13: You know, here's what's crazy, because I wrote about this
Speaker 13: during the season. You know what, Michael Pittman for the Colts.
Speaker 13: He's a good player, right, nice receiver. He makes twenty
Speaker 13: four million dollars a year. He makes double Saquon. He
Speaker 13: makes three times what Derek Henry makes. So kudos to
Speaker 13: Howie Roseman and Eric DaCosta and the gms of the
Speaker 13: Ravens and the Eagles for saying, wait, Mante, this is
Speaker 13: not right, like a good game for Michael Pittman is
Speaker 13: like six catches.
Speaker 4: For eighty eight yards.
Speaker 13: We're gonna give Saquon Barkley the ball one way or
Speaker 13: the other twenty times a game. And I think they
Speaker 13: also correctly figured out, you know, Saquon, if you get
Speaker 13: him to the second level and he gets that speed
Speaker 13: going look out. The Giants just could rarely do it.
Speaker 13: But with the Eagles offensive line, he gets that space
Speaker 13: to get up to twenty two miles an hour often.
Speaker 13: And that's why we've had I said, I can't remember
Speaker 13: a guy maybe Chris Johnson from the Titans that one year,
Speaker 13: but I can't remember a guy with this many sixty
Speaker 13: seventy yard right.
Speaker 4: This doesn't happen in the NFL.
Speaker 3: It's great to see.
Speaker 4: Always, man. I good to see you guys in person
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 2: Thanks for all your contributions. We appreciate it. You're always
Speaker 2: there for us. The audience loved you, and you know
Speaker 2: we do you have the Eagles winning? Do you have
Speaker 2: to have Eagles winning?
Speaker 4: No? I don't know.
Speaker 13: I think I don't know how you pick sirianni and
Speaker 13: Hurts over Andy Reid and Mahomes no one score game.
Speaker 1: I really don't.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the Eagles them.
Speaker 3: And you covered the Eagles ull season.
Speaker 4: I do their preseason games.
Speaker 13: I do multiple things for the Eagles, but when someone
Speaker 13: asked for my prediction, I gotta go with what I
Speaker 13: think is the most likely scenario. Most likely scenario is
Speaker 13: one score game. In a one score game, I'm taking Mahomes,
Speaker 13: Andy Reid over.
Speaker 4: Hurts and Sara.
Speaker 1: They can do it.
Speaker 13: But I think the Eagles' best chance is if they
Speaker 13: just run away from it with Sakua and win like
Speaker 13: thirty four to twenty three. Eagles need to somehow either
Speaker 13: win by two scores or be up by two scores late,
Speaker 13: because if it's a one score game, We've seen that
Speaker 13: movie over and over and over again.
Speaker 2: He's Ross Tucker with CBS Sports west Wood One. We'll
Speaker 2: take a break. When we come back, we'll give you
Speaker 2: our best and worst of the weekend. We'll also bring
Speaker 2: you the play of the day right after this from
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Speaker 2: we have a new poll question for hour two. Is
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Speaker 2: top the next hour as we dive a little deeper
Speaker 2: into the trade, the biggest sports shock that we've had
Speaker 2: in quite some time. Marvin brought up a great point
Speaker 2: that Michael Jordan going to play baseball was a bigger
Speaker 2: shock than this. But as far as an actual trade,
Speaker 2: it's new.
Speaker 3: Marouno, I think, yeah, Pauline, I went.
Speaker 7: Back and looked at a couple with the NFL, and
Speaker 7: the NFL is rarely as big with trades. But the
Speaker 7: herschel Walker trade to Minnesota Vikings was October twelfth, nineteen
Speaker 7: eighty nine. That was mid season and they got the
Speaker 7: monstros Hall that turned out to be the Cowboys run
Speaker 7: a couple years later. The other one was the Ricky
Speaker 7: Williams draft no trade. Yeah, the coverage was out of
Speaker 7: hand with Mike Dicka trading his entire draft to.
Speaker 1: Draft Ricky Williams out of Texas.
Speaker 2: It's like Ditka didn't want to work, you know here
Speaker 2: in New Orleans. He's like, you can take all my picks.
Speaker 2: I just want Ricky Williams and then I can I leave?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: Can I go get something eat and go get a drink?
Speaker 2: What was the other one that you said, Herschel? Herschel
Speaker 2: changed the NFL, I mean that changed the Cowboys. That
Speaker 2: was pretty shocking as well. We talked about Andrew luck
Speaker 2: when he announced that he was retiring in his prime
Speaker 2: and that what he didn't announce it Shefty did. And
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, although Shefty did try to
Speaker 2: wiggle his way into this by saying, you know, the
Speaker 2: NFL comp would be Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow were like, no, no,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be that.
Speaker 4: It would be.
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott traded for Joe Burrow. That would probably be
Speaker 2: similar guy who's thirty two injury prone and a guy
Speaker 2: who is twenty five who's in his prime.
Speaker 4: Yes, Marvin, and also the Dak Prescott portion of it,
Speaker 4: it's the biggest franchise in that sport.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the Lakers, all right, look at you, you're doing
Speaker 2: extra work every day is a super Bowl I know,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 4: Usually for me it's a divisional round, but today is
Speaker 4: the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a wild card weekend sometimes with us.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Our next guest from NBC Sports played quarterback at Texas,
Speaker 2: played in the NFL, and he loves to visit a dispensary.
Speaker 3: He never played football high.
Speaker 1: That we know of. Here's Chris m.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 8: I don't ever smoke.
Speaker 1: On the job. I never smoke on the job.
Speaker 4: Never.
Speaker 1: Never. I'm an end of the day kind of guy.
Speaker 1: So even you know, even post football, right, I mean
Speaker 1: never never.
Speaker 2: So when you've done football night in America, never done
Speaker 2: anything right?
Speaker 3: Never never.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't. I can't do it that way.
Speaker 3: Or pro football talk with Mike Florio.
Speaker 1: Early in the morning, waking bake. No, that's not happening either,
Speaker 1: right seven am.
Speaker 3: But in college, you may have, yeh.
Speaker 1: In college is kind of where it starts, right, It's
Speaker 1: kind of where I started to be go down that
Speaker 1: route of smoking a little. I didn't think we were
Speaker 1: going to be starting our super Bowl conversation with this
Speaker 1: conversation here, but but either way we might as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it started in college a little bit, just because like
Speaker 1: you know, sixth Street, Austin, Texas. I'd go out with
Speaker 1: my friends, I'd have drinks and I'd be like, man,
Speaker 1: I just can't do it. I don't like drinking, and
Speaker 1: I'd get hung over or throw up or whatever. And
Speaker 1: that's where I started to dabble in the you know,
Speaker 1: smoking a.
Speaker 2: Little bit, okay, but the whole thing about dealing with
Speaker 2: pain with athletes, I mean, this is serious.
Speaker 1: This is definitely serious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but where are we going with that medicinal
Speaker 2: use of marijuana with athletes? And I don't know if
Speaker 2: it helps with CTE. I don't know what the study.
Speaker 2: I don't know all that either.
Speaker 1: I do know that it's a better option than options
Speaker 1: that were out there before, right. I had teammates and
Speaker 1: friends who certainly got into opioid addictions because, yeah, especially
Speaker 1: in my day back in you know, the twenty ten
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, the drug testing was more much
Speaker 1: more strict, so you weren't going to be able to
Speaker 1: do that, and so guys then would go to the
Speaker 1: pill route, and it caused problems, I mean lots of problems,
Speaker 1: whether it was you know, with their stomach and their
Speaker 1: digestive system, them getting addicted to it, whatever, the mental
Speaker 1: aspect of it. But I think we're at a much
Speaker 1: better place now, and I think you know, the we're
Speaker 1: accepting of it. I mean, look, we're sitting at super
Speaker 1: Bowl fifty nine starting off a conversation with it.
Speaker 3: Are these the two best teams in the NFL?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, they're the two best. I mean the Ravens
Speaker 1: would have been right there with it, right, I mean
Speaker 1: the Ravens. The Ravens when the playoffs started, or the
Speaker 1: team I picked up go to the Super Bowl. I thought, like,
Speaker 1: when this playoffs started, I said, man, the Ravens are
Speaker 1: playing the best ball right now, like they look like
Speaker 1: they're peaking. But certainly the Chiefs are right there with them.
Speaker 1: The Eagles, though, I don't know if, like I can't
Speaker 1: emphasize this enough. I've been trying to say this for
Speaker 1: about the last month. The Eagles aren't all star team.
Speaker 1: It's one of the best teams we've seen post like
Speaker 1: the new free agency, you know, Salary cap Era well
Speaker 1: constructed teams that I've ever seen. It's one of the
Speaker 1: best O lines ever. I would put it up there
Speaker 1: with the nineties Cowboys. It's that good. It is that good.
Speaker 1: They run three plays and he runs for two thousand yards.
Speaker 1: They run three plays. They don't run a lot of
Speaker 1: pass plays either. There kinda give me the three plays.
Speaker 1: They run inside zone, outside zone, and you'll see two
Speaker 1: pullers every now and then.
Speaker 3: It's the only three runs they run.
Speaker 1: And they go, we're so good at it, screw you
Speaker 1: or coming at you with it, and you can't stop it.
Speaker 1: That's how good they are, and offensively in their past game.
Speaker 1: You know, this is one of the things I worry
Speaker 1: about with the game is because they My thing with
Speaker 1: the matchup is kind of brains versus braun. It's the
Speaker 1: Chiefs who do everything, and it's the Eagles who are
Speaker 1: just like, we're here and you know what we're gonna do,
Speaker 1: and you still can't stop it, and they pose problems
Speaker 1: for you. The Eagles with that o line, that running game,
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurt's ability to run the ball, and then of
Speaker 1: course he's a good deep ball thrower, that's his best thing.
Speaker 1: So now you get one on one with AJ Brown
Speaker 1: and Devonte Smith, they cause problems for you, and that's
Speaker 1: where this game is going to be really interesting.
Speaker 2: But it feels like there's a concer effort to have
Speaker 2: Jalen hurts throw less, Yeah, yeah, they're better when he
Speaker 2: throws less.
Speaker 1: I think it kind of just manifested that way a
Speaker 1: little bit between. Yeah, they were running the ball, well,
Speaker 1: I don't think he was playing his best football. Then
Speaker 1: he got hurt, and then they kind of got like
Speaker 1: pigeonholed into Oh, he's not hitting on all cylinders right
Speaker 1: now and playing his best football, So let's lean on
Speaker 1: the run game a little bit more. But if he
Speaker 1: throws the ball like he did in the NFC Championship, right,
Speaker 1: that's the Chiefs will have to play a special, special
Speaker 1: game to beat them.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But is.
Speaker 2: It more important that the Eagles offense that's great or
Speaker 2: the Eagles defense is great?
Speaker 1: Ooh, that's a good question there. I would say more
Speaker 1: the Eagles defense though.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Still the Eagles defense. The Eagles defense, it's the best
Speaker 1: in football. They got everything, right, Jalen Carter is arguably
Speaker 1: the best defensive player in the game. They got really
Speaker 1: good secondary players. They're simple too, though. Vic Fangio it's hey,
Speaker 1: he's the man. I have mad respect for Vic Fangio.
Speaker 1: But they're another team. They don't do a lot. They're
Speaker 1: kind of just like Hey, we're good. We know what
Speaker 1: we're going to do. We know you can't expose us
Speaker 1: in our rules because we're so you.
Speaker 4: Know, honed in on all of it.
Speaker 1: And they're gonna, i think, have to change a little
Speaker 1: bit because can you sit there and play MC zone
Speaker 1: against Patrick Mahomes all game? No, no way. That's what
Speaker 1: happened in Buffalo the first two series. They played zone
Speaker 1: and he just went zoo zoom zoone zoom zoom, and
Speaker 1: then they went, oh crap, let's play man for the
Speaker 1: rest of the game. And then you saw all these
Speaker 1: man plays as the game went on. And that's going
Speaker 1: to be one of the chess matches of this thing
Speaker 1: is can Philly play the defense they want to play
Speaker 1: against this guy playing quarterback?
Speaker 2: But also does Jalen Hurts try to do too much?
Speaker 2: You know, when you're opposite Patrick Mahomes, right, you're opposite
Speaker 2: a great player. Sure you kind of want to match
Speaker 2: them exactly, Josh Allen, is you know, falling prey to this?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, right, it's all that. You know. People go,
Speaker 1: oh they choked. They go, no, Lamar didn't choke. Lamar
Speaker 1: wants it so bad. He's trying to do everything to
Speaker 1: get there. Right, He's got a guy holding on his
Speaker 1: leg and he's doing a three point stance trying to
Speaker 1: like three sixty out of it to still make a throw,
Speaker 1: and then he fumbles the football. He's not choking, he's
Speaker 1: just maybe doing too much. Same with Josh Allen, certainly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't want to fall in that trap if you're
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. He was pretty good in the first Super Bowl, right,
Speaker 1: I mean the fumble was a huge part of the game, certainly,
Speaker 1: But if he plays like that again, then they're going
Speaker 1: to be really tough to beat.
Speaker 3: Let's say the Chiefs win.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Greatest team of all time?
Speaker 1: I mean it's the greatest team of all time in
Speaker 1: a four or five year span.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what this season, if what they've done, Yeah,
Speaker 2: can you label them the greatest?
Speaker 3: This is this season? No?
Speaker 1: No, no way, no way.
Speaker 3: Okay, which team is the greatest?
Speaker 1: Gosh? I mean it's hard for me not to look
Speaker 1: at like the ninety two Cowboys and the eighty nine
Speaker 1: to forty nine Ers and teams like that where I go.
Speaker 1: You know, again, it's a little unfair because as you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's pre salary cap. Yeah, and those teams were stacked.
Speaker 1: But those teams, I mean, we go back, those teams
Speaker 1: weren't eking out every game going all right. I hope
Speaker 1: they missed the field goal. I hope, I hope something
Speaker 1: magical happens. Those teams were dominating football teams. I think
Speaker 1: you can remember that, and yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 1: it matches up with that.
Speaker 2: I'm talking to Chris Sims, Pro Football Talk Live co host.
Speaker 2: You can see that on Peacock prior to our show,
Speaker 2: Chris Sim's Unbuttoned podcast and a contributor to NBC Football
Speaker 2: Night in America, the football equivalent to Luca and Anthony Davis.
Speaker 1: I know, I heard you say that, and I did
Speaker 1: see Schefter's tweet too, and it was something more along
Speaker 1: the lines of, like what you were saying, older good
Speaker 1: quarterback for somebody in his prime I don't know, right,
Speaker 1: And you know, a Jared Goff type at age for
Speaker 1: one of these young whipper snappers who's a star right now?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: You know, I mean to me, there's four quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: stand alone in football right now, and you know who
Speaker 1: they are. The mahomes Lamar, Josh Allen, and Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: are on another level. Then we can get a discussion
Speaker 1: about the other guys. But those four are like far
Speaker 1: and away the best in the game right now. But
Speaker 1: you look back on the Herschel deal, Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember it, man. That changed the Cowboys. Yes, I mean
Speaker 1: it won them three super Bowl chang Football.
Speaker 2: Right right, Andrew Luck announcing his retirement, it changed some stuff.
Speaker 3: That was one of those where you didn't believe it, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if there's anything else that comes
Speaker 2: to mind, because you normally don't get big NFL trade No.
Speaker 1: I mean Eric Dickerson in the eighties, I remember him right,
Speaker 1: that was a big one. That was a big deal.
Speaker 4: You guys hit on Ricky Williams.
Speaker 1: Of course that was a huge draft day. But yeah,
Speaker 1: nothing that I can like, nothing where you can go
Speaker 1: star for star like that. I mean, I'm not even
Speaker 1: in NBA mode. But I woke up on Sunday morning,
Speaker 1: like what we did?
Speaker 3: This was this real?
Speaker 1: My son texts me and he's like, did this really happen?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I think it did. I did
Speaker 1: the same thing.
Speaker 3: But I had people texting me that just said OMG
Speaker 3: or WT.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even know what they're talking about, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just saw Luca.
Speaker 1: I think that was the first text I got. I
Speaker 1: can't believe they traded Luca. And I'm like, what you
Speaker 1: know looking around.
Speaker 2: Off season, Sam Darnold, you know what the Raiders doing.
Speaker 2: Chip Kelly just got hired.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see, I like that.
Speaker 1: I like Pete Carroll being the head coach there. You know,
Speaker 1: they're kind of a team that's in a little disarray.
Speaker 1: You get a guy in there that kind of lead
Speaker 1: them into the future in the right direction. How long
Speaker 1: that future will be, I don't know. But Pete can
Speaker 1: certainly energize an organization.
Speaker 2: But can you bring in Russell Wilson if you're pet Carroll,
Speaker 2: even though Russ tried to get Pete fired.
Speaker 1: And stay exactly no like other than that, nor Nor
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think even from a football like
Speaker 1: decision making process, that's a logical thing to do. Right now,
Speaker 1: I would be shocked if he's back with the Steelers
Speaker 1: as the quarterback.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have him back. I would I would try
Speaker 3: with Justin Field.
Speaker 1: If you gave me the option of him or Justin Fields,
Speaker 1: I'd go there's more upside with Justin Fields. I think
Speaker 1: Russell maybe he gets another shock to be a starter somewhere.
Speaker 1: But if it does, it's gonna be something like Sam
Speaker 1: Donald was just a part of like, hey, we're gonna
Speaker 1: sign you, but we might draft a quarterback too, right,
Speaker 1: you're just gonna be a bridge guy. But I don't
Speaker 1: even know if that's gonna happen. It'll be interesting, Sam
Speaker 1: Donald will be interesting.
Speaker 3: That could see you paying Rock perty is your buddy.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Y Chanie gonna probably want me to
Speaker 1: talk about these subjects and say these things, but I
Speaker 1: wouldn't pay him, like pay him what you know what
Speaker 1: full vote, No way, no way, that's crazy. I think
Speaker 1: that's crazy. I this has to stop, you know, to me,
Speaker 1: like again, I'll go to the Dolphins too with two
Speaker 1: of fifty five million a year for what? Who was
Speaker 1: gonna pay him thirty five million a year? Well, they're
Speaker 1: negotiating against themselves, Like why no, nobody's gonna like go,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, the forty nine ers didn't pay brock Purty.
Speaker 1: Let's trade the farm for him, or let's we'll break
Speaker 1: the bank for him. He's really good, But what's wrong
Speaker 1: with paying the quarterback thirty five million dollars a year
Speaker 1: when he's kind of the middle of the pack quarterback
Speaker 1: in the NFL. That's where I look at Brock Purty.
Speaker 1: I think he's about fifteen, sixteen, seventeen eighteen, somewhere in
Speaker 1: that range, you know.
Speaker 4: So I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I wouldn't do that, And I think that's
Speaker 1: how teams are going to mess up their you know,
Speaker 1: their teams and their rosters for the future making those decisions.
Speaker 2: The Titans on record is talking about generational talent the
Speaker 2: top of the draft. Generational talent doesn't sound like the
Speaker 2: two quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I don't know they are either, You're right, I mean,
Speaker 1: whether they talking about Travis Hunter maybe. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's the guy they're trying to Carter
Speaker 1: or Abduall Carter, somebody like that. The quarterbacks, I do
Speaker 1: like them, I do now. I mean, do I like
Speaker 1: them as much as the top two guys as last year?
Speaker 1: And you know, I haven't gotten into studying these guys
Speaker 1: quite yet. But of course watch college football and I
Speaker 1: love Shador Sanders. I think he's old school. I mean,
Speaker 1: when I watch him, I think it's Doug Williams. He's
Speaker 1: just standing back there like I'm gonna throw a rifle
Speaker 1: down the field speed?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 8: How did that happen?
Speaker 1: I said that to my wife the other day. I
Speaker 1: was like, isn't it funny? His son's this big pocket
Speaker 1: passing quarterback, strong, makes good decisions, puts the ball wherever
Speaker 1: he wants, Slow as hell, slow as hell. Even Dean's
Speaker 1: the fastest human I've ever seen in a football field.
Speaker 1: Cam Ward's special too, though. I do like cam Ward.
Speaker 1: I do. Cam Ward's got a little more size to
Speaker 1: him than I thought. And of course his ability his
Speaker 1: arm is real to all the different angles, the strength
Speaker 1: of it, and then of course he can make people
Speaker 1: miss in the pocket to then throw the ball down
Speaker 1: the field too. He's pretty damn good.
Speaker 2: Can you see Dion influencing the draft? How would he
Speaker 2: influence the draft? I think he could influence it. Just
Speaker 2: you know, Dion's a master, right. I'm one of the
Speaker 2: reasons I wore number two is because of Dion. Dion
Speaker 2: and your slow is held hill so hell right. So
Speaker 2: all the quarterbacks that like Dion are slow and they're
Speaker 2: not like Deon.
Speaker 1: Right, That's why I dreamed it.
Speaker 3: Like you didn't want your Dan's number?
Speaker 1: I mean, I did for a little, but you know,
Speaker 1: when I got to like freshman year in high school,
Speaker 1: Dion and Derek Jeter were kicking some butt and I
Speaker 1: was like, no quarterbacks are wearing number two? And I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to be the guy that brings
Speaker 1: two to life, right, That's kind of what I thought.
Speaker 1: Of course, I didn't bring it much to life, but
Speaker 1: I literally almost tried to die in it when I
Speaker 1: lost my sling and all of it. But either way,
Speaker 1: imagine how history would have treated you.
Speaker 3: You left it all out on the field.
Speaker 1: Right right, I see Kyle Trask wearing two. I'm like,
Speaker 1: they didn't retire my jersey? What are they doing down
Speaker 1: there in Sampa? How could they do that to me?
Speaker 1: Only guy ever that almost died on the field. Where
Speaker 1: is your split? I guess in a garbage somewhere. You know,
Speaker 1: they didn't even let you keep it, no, would you?
Speaker 1: What do you think I was going to bring it
Speaker 1: home and put on like the trophy case and be like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: look at this.
Speaker 3: You know I would have displayed Thomas did this to me.
Speaker 3: I would have displayed it.
Speaker 1: On the show. Honestly, I'm crazy enough that I probably
Speaker 1: would have, but yeah, I never got that option, and
Speaker 1: you know things were kind of emergency at that point,
Speaker 1: so yeah, that was it. Yeah, but Dean Ken influenced
Speaker 1: the draft. I think if his son tells him he's
Speaker 1: not feeling a spot or whatever like that, Dean will
Speaker 1: say it publicly or let the message out there that
Speaker 1: they're not in favor of it. And that's where I
Speaker 1: feel like he can sway things a little bit.
Speaker 2: We just had Ross Tucker on Last Hour and he
Speaker 2: of course covers the Eagles throughout the season. He's taking
Speaker 2: the Chiefs over the Eagles because he said, I can't
Speaker 2: go against Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes if it's.
Speaker 1: Going to be a one score game. I know that's
Speaker 1: the hard thing. There's no doubt the Eagles are better
Speaker 1: than the Chiefs, there's no doubt, but they have to
Speaker 1: be up by at least ten with too many Do
Speaker 1: you feel like they got to be like that? It's
Speaker 1: got to be one of those games twenty four. If
Speaker 1: it's thirty to twenty four, I'm gonna even sitting on
Speaker 1: the couch going, oh crap, they're in trouble. They're in trouble.
Speaker 1: Here he comes, here comes fifteen so yes, I agree
Speaker 1: with you. There. I'm gonna tell you I am. I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm leaning Eagles. I lied to you last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you did know because I got scared. I was kind
Speaker 1: of in between. And it was a Monday, and I
Speaker 1: was I was afraid that the Shanahans and all my
Speaker 1: family friends and all my Texas friends were gonna go,
Speaker 1: what the f You picked the Chiefs right on the
Speaker 1: Monday to start the Super Bowl. So I was like
Speaker 1: a little undecided. I was like, I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: pick the Chiefs. But I came on here and said
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, and then of course, as you
Speaker 1: saw on my shows and everything, I picked the Chiefs
Speaker 1: later in the week.
Speaker 3: Are you lying to me?
Speaker 1: I will not lie to you now. There's no There's
Speaker 1: no friends or family here that I'm worried about, right,
Speaker 1: there's no connections with the Paer the Chiefs. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I am. I think I'm going to take
Speaker 1: the Eagles. I think I'm going to take the Eagles.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with the team that I think
Speaker 1: is the best. Now, the Chiefs continually can ruin that,
Speaker 1: and they've done that to me. I'm not sure, they've
Speaker 1: been the better team in any Super Bowl they've played yet,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, but they've they've graduated to the Brady Belichick definitely.
Speaker 1: And they've graduated to like, wait, oh, this is a
Speaker 1: clutch moment. Do I have a pulse? Right? I Mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's where they're scary. When you win a super
Speaker 1: Bowl and you do it the way they did it,
Speaker 1: nothing can make them nervous anymore, Nothing like when I
Speaker 1: see them in Week eight and I'm like, these guys
Speaker 1: aren't nervous after three ten point deficits in the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl to come back and win. They don't give a
Speaker 1: crap about Week eight. We're down by four in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, and I don't think they'll care about this one.
Speaker 1: The start of the game is gonna be big in
Speaker 1: this because I do think the Eagles are going to
Speaker 1: manage emotions a little and the Chiefs are gonna be like,
Speaker 1: let's go. We've been here before. And that's where I
Speaker 1: do worry about the Eagles letting the game get away
Speaker 1: from them right out of the gate.
Speaker 4: A little bit.
Speaker 3: Great to talk to you, Always great to talk to
Speaker 3: you too.
Speaker 4: I'm Mike.
Speaker 1: Off of the end, did I hear Russ, I mean
Speaker 1: Ross sat there. No, No, he said first, I know
Speaker 1: he was going to what I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's alignment. I know to tell him where to go.
Speaker 2: Come on, Ross, We went to Princeton, smaller but not smart.
Speaker 2: Princeville smart like Chrissy looks smart but can't go Cross
Speaker 2: and Cross one.
Speaker 3: Chris Sims Pro Football Talk Live co host.
Speaker 2: And contributed to Football Night in America his podcast Unbuttoned.
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Speaker 2: seven seven three DP show the big news obviously what
Speaker 2: the Mavericks and the Lakers did. So we'll talk to
Speaker 2: Wendy about that Super Bowl week underway.
Speaker 3: It's media night tonight.
Speaker 2: These teams are savvy enough to know there's probably not
Speaker 2: going to be Now there might be questions. I don't
Speaker 2: know if there'll be answers that will garner any headlines.
Speaker 2: Chip Kelly quietly leaves Ohio State for the Raiders offensive
Speaker 2: coordinator job, which was surprising as well. Pull question for
Speaker 2: the final hour before we get to Brian Windhorse Seaton,
Speaker 2: what are we going to go with?
Speaker 1: It might be right there. Would you rather work for
Speaker 1: Ohio State or the Raiders?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: Both of them are great jobs.
Speaker 3: All right, we'll get phone calls coming up.
Speaker 2: Email address Dpatdanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at TP show
Speaker 2: busy man. Brian Windhorne kind enough to join as ESPN
Speaker 2: Senior NBA writer. Your reaction when you got that text
Speaker 2: or tweet was what Brian, Well.
Speaker 14: There was nothing. I mean when I say nothing there,
Speaker 14: I had no indication at all. You know, very rarely
Speaker 14: are people in my business totally surprised by a transaction.
Speaker 14: A lot of times we can't say everything we know.
Speaker 14: A lot of times we don't see all four corners
Speaker 14: of it. So well, here's something come out and we'll go, ah,
Speaker 14: I see the complete the pieces fall in place. It
Speaker 14: is very unusual that there's a transaction like this that
Speaker 14: comes clear out of the blue. There was nothing zero
Speaker 14: in the world, in our world about this. And I
Speaker 14: think as far as I and I believe that people
Speaker 14: are telling me, I mean, I, you know, reserve the
Speaker 14: right to say I have new information, But I don't
Speaker 14: think the players knew either. I really really don't believe that.
Speaker 14: I know that that's hard to believe. But that's how.
Speaker 5: Rare of an instance this is.
Speaker 14: And we're also talking about a situation where two in
Speaker 14: their prime star players are traded for each other. That
Speaker 14: does not happen in the history of the NBA. There's
Speaker 14: never been a current All NBA player traded for a
Speaker 14: current All NBA player in the middle of the season.
Speaker 14: We've definitely seen star players get traded. We've definitely seen
Speaker 14: shock star players get traded. We've never seen Star for
Speaker 14: star like this when it also when it involves the
Speaker 14: number one most popular franchise in the NBA and one
Speaker 14: of the most in the world. So the sequence of
Speaker 14: one off events here is pretty remarkable.
Speaker 3: Okay, but do we know the why? Like why did
Speaker 3: this happen?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 14: So I know that people, I know that there's a
Speaker 14: desire to say there must be more to it, and
Speaker 14: I can't. I don't have all of it. I can't
Speaker 14: say that there isn't. But I honestly believe the Mavericks
Speaker 14: came to a decision after really going through a frustrating
Speaker 14: year with Luca, and it's been a very frustrating year,
Speaker 14: and just to reset that they're coming off the finals,
Speaker 14: Luca comes to camp and immediately gets hurt. Now I'm
Speaker 14: not a doctor. I don't know everything about that injury,
Speaker 14: but I think they were frustrated that he had that
Speaker 14: injury and they thought that maybe he wasn't right necessarily
Speaker 14: ready for camp. After he gets that injury, he gets
Speaker 14: out of shape, out of shape to the point that
Speaker 14: when he comes back and plays healthy with the injury,
Speaker 14: they say he's shut down for a hand injury, and
Speaker 14: he was injured with that, but he also was getting
Speaker 14: in better shape. You know, when he came back, he
Speaker 14: had allowed himself to get more and more out of shape.
Speaker 14: Comes back, starts playing well again, and then repeats the injury.
Speaker 14: And again, I'm not a doctor, I'm not going to
Speaker 14: tell you that that was physical conditioning. But I suspect
Speaker 14: that they felt that they were not thrilled with the conditioning.
Speaker 5: So they go through a very frustrating year.
Speaker 14: But it's on top of other frustrations they had, and
Speaker 14: this summer he's gonna be a position to sign a
Speaker 14: three hundred and fifty million dollars super Max contract. Now,
Speaker 14: most of the time, teams celebrate when a player qualifies
Speaker 14: for this the Golden the Oklahoma City Thunder, for example,
Speaker 14: shake gildas Alexander has qualified for the Supermax. I believe
Speaker 14: he's eligible to sign it at six pm on June thirtieth.
Speaker 14: I promise you the paper book will be at his
Speaker 14: in his hands. Whether or not he signs it. I'm
Speaker 14: sure he will when he signs. I don't know, but
Speaker 14: I'm promising you the thunder. Are we going to fall
Speaker 14: all over themselves to get this guy locked up for
Speaker 14: that three hundred million dollar deal.
Speaker 5: Jason Tatum.
Speaker 1: They were ready to go.
Speaker 14: With a three hundred million dollar deal. They couldn't have
Speaker 14: been more excited to get this guy locked up. The
Speaker 14: whole purpose of that being in the CBA is so
Speaker 14: that you have a superstar player. He is outrageously incentivized
Speaker 14: to the tune of one hundred plus million dollars to
Speaker 14: stay with your team. It is basically the Kevin Durant
Speaker 14: rule for Lebron James rule, so that those guys will
Speaker 14: not leave for nothing. And even if you weren't one
Speaker 14: hundred and fifty percent sure you wanted to give him
Speaker 14: the money, the conventional wisdom would be you give him
Speaker 14: the contract anyway, so that if you want to trade him,
Speaker 14: you trade him with the five years on the contract
Speaker 14: so that the player can't leverage you in a trade.
Speaker 5: That's what happened with Dame Lillard.
Speaker 14: Lillard signs this five year contract, then the Blazers trade
Speaker 14: him so that he couldn't say, you got to trade
Speaker 14: me to Miami. They can trade him to the best place,
Speaker 14: which was Milwaukee in that case. Okay, and so for
Speaker 14: the Mavericks to do this now, it means that they
Speaker 14: didn't even want to enter into that contract with him,
Speaker 14: and it also means that they thought that they could
Speaker 14: do better this season now with Anthony Davis, that they
Speaker 14: think that if they did this season they did this
Speaker 14: deal now, that they could make a better run in
Speaker 14: the playoffs. And so it's a high level shocking and
Speaker 14: complete repudiation of Luka Doncic as a superstar franchise player,
Speaker 14: and it results in this trade, which is going to
Speaker 14: be a historic sliding doors moment.
Speaker 2: I think, okay, well, then give me the upside and
Speaker 2: the downside for the Lakers.
Speaker 5: So the Lakers.
Speaker 14: First off, the Lakers had a succession problem. Lebron is
Speaker 14: forty years old. Whether he's got a year or two left,
Speaker 14: he's on his way out. He's no longer a first
Speaker 14: team All NBA player. Anthony Davis is there, but he's
Speaker 14: aging too. And I would say that while I am
Speaker 14: a big, gigantic believer in that when you win a championship,
Speaker 14: it means never having to say you're sorry, and they
Speaker 14: have a championship, they have a banner and so, but
Speaker 14: the Lebron ad partnership, it hasn't been a glorious unmitigated success.
Speaker 5: It's been a success.
Speaker 14: They should have no regrets, no looking back, but it
Speaker 14: hasn't gone the way that the hopes and dreams were.
Speaker 14: So they had this challenge of how do they move
Speaker 14: on from Lebron at some point? How do they get
Speaker 14: their next star? And I thought that would be a
Speaker 14: problem for two years from now. This falls into their
Speaker 14: lap and they have to say yes. The direction of
Speaker 14: the French was not let's try to acquire Luka Doncic
Speaker 14: in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5: It fell into their lap.
Speaker 14: They had to say yes, I know that there's been
Speaker 14: a thought, well, was there an issue with Lebron and Ad?
Speaker 5: Was there an issue with Ad and JJ Reddick? Was
Speaker 5: there an issue? No? The phone rang and they said
Speaker 5: do you want Luka Doncic?
Speaker 14: The answer is yes, And not only that while you are,
Speaker 14: you are recognizing that you are acquiring a player the
Speaker 14: other team is giving up on. They can now sign
Speaker 14: him to a contract this summer.
Speaker 5: Dan. That's one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 14: Less than what it would cost the Mavericks because he
Speaker 14: will not qualify for the Supermax and you get a
Speaker 14: twenty five year old Megastar on a quote unquote discount.
Speaker 14: He does have issues warts whatever, It's an absolute no
Speaker 14: brainer for the Lakers. They had to say yes. If
Speaker 14: they didn't say yes, everybody in the organization should.
Speaker 5: Have been fired.
Speaker 14: So that's where they are, that's where they are going forward.
Speaker 1: They are in a different.
Speaker 5: Reality now than they were five days ago. Their team
Speaker 5: is different.
Speaker 14: They got problems, they had to fix their roster, but
Speaker 14: they're no longer thinking about Lebron and a d They're
Speaker 14: not thinking about number seventy seven going forward.
Speaker 2: We're talking to Brian Winhors ESPN, senior NBA writer. I
Speaker 2: couldn't help but think of David Stern. Would David Stern
Speaker 2: have green lighted this.
Speaker 14: Oh, absolutely, because he saw it as an opportunity to
Speaker 14: get Luka Doncic into the Lakers for the next ten years.
Speaker 14: I mean I'm hearing from like I was talking to
Speaker 14: some NBA executives yesterday and they're like, Jesus Christ, the
Speaker 14: freaking Lakers like blah blah blah, and you know, and
Speaker 14: they're like, your bosses probably love it, and I go,
Speaker 14: you're damn right, that's true. And so the opportunity for
Speaker 14: the Lakers to you know, and this has happened throughout
Speaker 14: our whole lives. You know, Will Chamberlain, Kareem Ubdul Jabbar,
Speaker 14: Shaquille O'Neill. I mean, forget about the guys they drafted,
Speaker 14: forget about Kobe and Magic like you know Worthy, We're
Speaker 14: talking about guys that mid career Lebron Paul Gasol mid
Speaker 14: career arrived in LA. However, it happened and has labeled
Speaker 14: the franchise to continue its run of dominance.
Speaker 5: I was talking to one executive.
Speaker 14: Yesterday, not from the Clippers, and he was like, man,
Speaker 14: I feel for the Clippers today.
Speaker 5: They're about ready to get rid of Lebron.
Speaker 14: They've got this gorgeous arena, you know, they're establishing their
Speaker 14: own franchise. They're having this really positive their their neck
Speaker 14: and neck. They're about to pass the Lakers and the
Speaker 14: standings if they win tomorrow they're playing here in LA
Speaker 14: and then they get hit with this right hook that
Speaker 14: Luka Doncic is now going to be a Laker for
Speaker 14: the next decade. So but I do think on the whole,
Speaker 14: on the on the balance, maybe not to somebody in
Speaker 14: Oklahoma City or Minneapolis, it's an incredible development. For the
Speaker 14: league with the belief that Luca fulfills his potential, which
Speaker 14: is what the Mavericks are saying they don't think will happen.
Speaker 2: Bigger shock when Jordan went to play baseball or this
Speaker 2: Luca Anthony Davis.
Speaker 14: Do geez, Dan, you'd be better to ask answer that.
Speaker 14: I mean, when Jordan wants to play baseball was one
Speaker 14: of those things that was so crazy. I mean, people
Speaker 14: to this day are still trying to come up with
Speaker 14: a conspiracy theory for that.
Speaker 5: That was a bigger shock. I guess because magic becouse.
Speaker 14: Michael was in his career, in the middle of his career,
Speaker 14: and he went to go play minor league baseball. But
Speaker 14: this is a bigger shock in terms of what the
Speaker 14: effect that it had. Well not efecked on the league
Speaker 14: isn't even accurate. I guess Jordan was a bigger shock.
Speaker 14: But now we get to watch these players still play.
Speaker 14: Jordan left the league. The league, you know, was hurting
Speaker 14: from it. This is the league in theory can benefit
Speaker 14: from it.
Speaker 3: I know you're busy. Thanks for making time.
Speaker 5: Thanks, Dan, have a great week out there.
Speaker 2: That's Brian Windhorst, ESPN Senior NBA writer Paulie says, we
Speaker 2: have an emergency fill in the blank game, and it's
Speaker 2: NFL news, NFL breaking news. Okay, are you ready, Dan, Okay,
Speaker 2: fill in the blank emergency.
Speaker 3: Does this rival Luca to the Lakers?
Speaker 1: Paulie.
Speaker 7: No, but it's really high up there in the football world. Now,
Speaker 7: you're the only contestant in this game.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 7: Blank has requested the trade from Blank. Blank has requested
Speaker 7: the trade from Blank. Big time football player. Okay, Blank,
Speaker 7: here's a hint. He's frustrated because he's not playing in
Speaker 7: big time AFC title game.
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson has asked to be traded.
Speaker 1: No, not a tick below that.
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow has asked to be traded.
Speaker 1: Not an offensive player. Miles Garrett has asked to be traded.
Speaker 7: Miles Garrett has requested the trade from the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 7: He put out a statement less than five minutes ago,
Speaker 7: thanking the town.
Speaker 1: All I want to do is play in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7: With that said, I'm officially requesting a trade from the
Speaker 7: Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1: Did he just realize that the Browns sunk? Like?
Speaker 3: Did he think they were going to get better?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he did think they were going to
Speaker 6: get better. Yes, Yes, I think I give him a
Speaker 6: lot of credit for sticking it out this long. Like
Speaker 6: he tried, He really did, he tried. Yeah, and time
Speaker 6: is ticking. Yeah, I'm getting the hell out of here.
Speaker 2: But didn't they say that no matter what number of
Speaker 2: draft picks you give, they weren't going to give up
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett. Wasn't like you can give two first round picks. Yes, Paul,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 7: I could quickly make the case this might be a
Speaker 7: good day for the Cleveland Browns if they can find
Speaker 7: a way out of Deshaun Watson's contract, which I have
Speaker 7: the feeling they're going to with some of the things
Speaker 7: he's been doing in the off season without a walking group, maybe,
Speaker 7: and if they get a haul for Miles Garrett, they
Speaker 7: could be set up for the future. Now what they
Speaker 7: do those draft picks, as you always said, Dan is
Speaker 7: the base of it. But they got the best of
Speaker 7: Miles Garrett. They're not going anywhere anytime soon. Might as
Speaker 7: well get the huge.
Speaker 1: Price for him. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And by the way, people have asked, are am I
Speaker 2: going to talk about Justin Tucker the way I did
Speaker 2: Deshaan Watson? I said I would talk about the football
Speaker 2: part of this That's the most important part for me
Speaker 2: in what we do. It is looking worse. More people
Speaker 2: are coming out. If there's lawsuits here, will he be
Speaker 2: released by the raven Like, I'm not going to try
Speaker 2: this case. But it's the same thing with Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 2: Is it going to lead to him getting another job?
Speaker 2: Where's he gonna go? What do you get in return
Speaker 2: for him? Those are all the things that we covered.
Speaker 2: If Justin Tucker is guilty of this and he has to,
Speaker 2: you know, pay loss whatever it is, now fine, I'll
Speaker 2: cover that. I have to cover the football part of this.
Speaker 2: That's what we do here. It's not court TV, and
Speaker 2: I will cover this the way that we did Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 2: I did not get caught up in all the other
Speaker 2: ancillary stuff there. But Miles Garrett looking at the future
Speaker 2: there with the Cleveland Browns, They're gonna have another quarterback.
Speaker 2: I don't think Deshaun Watson ever plays for them again,
Speaker 2: and you start to wonder that in that division. You know,
Speaker 2: Baltimore is still good, Bengals are good, Steelers still going
Speaker 2: to be formidable as well, and the Cleveland Browns are
Speaker 2: going to be the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 4: Miles Garrett has a real Dame Lillard quality to him,
Speaker 4: Like he tried, he tried to make it work with
Speaker 4: this franchise that wasn't doing great, and you know what,
Speaker 4: I got to move on and try to you know,
Speaker 4: brought on my horizons to try to get to.
Speaker 1: A super Bowl.
Speaker 3: Because he's one of those players that you don't see.
Speaker 2: You'll have to go out of your way to watch
Speaker 2: you and then you'll hear other players say, you know,
Speaker 2: he's best defensive player, he's unstoppable, meme, he's all these things.
Speaker 2: We just don't get to see him on a big stage.
Speaker 2: We got to see Aaron Donald win a Super Bowl
Speaker 2: and his play, the last play of that game helped
Speaker 2: them win a Super Bowl. Like that's what you want.
Speaker 2: You want great players playing in big moments, Yes, Marv.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because right now, if you're not a big time
Speaker 4: football fan, he's a snap your fingers guy. Like you
Speaker 4: know who else is really good? Who's my guy from
Speaker 4: from Cleveland?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And he doesn't want to be that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't blame him.
Speaker 7: Yes, Paulie, I love that We've spent last hour talking
Speaker 7: about huge football historical trades and this one happens during
Speaker 7: our show. This guy's five time All Pro in the
Speaker 7: past five years. He's twenty nine years old, and he's
Speaker 7: just showing no signs of the client.
Speaker 2: What's he worth? I don't know. The Golics will join
Speaker 2: us all I ask them? I mean, is it two
Speaker 2: first round picks and a player?
Speaker 1: And can the Lakers grab him too? Mavericks love this?
Speaker 2: Stay if the Mavericks were running the Browns? And do
Speaker 2: you want Miles Garrett too? And I've seen Miles play basketball.
Speaker 2: He's a really good basketball player. All right, we'll get
Speaker 2: the phone calls. The Golics will join us on this Monday.
Speaker 2: We'll take a break. We're back after this on The
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Speaker 3: We go to dinner last night.
Speaker 2: On the way to dinner, Paul, he's telling me about
Speaker 2: how great the Flag Football game was NFC AFC.
Speaker 7: I said, I just can't Paul, I can't. I don't
Speaker 7: know if you use the word great, shockingly decent. It
Speaker 7: was competitive and fun and they had a lot of
Speaker 7: fun micing up people in comparison to the last few
Speaker 7: actual Pro Bowls with physicality air quotes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was fun, it was lighthearted.
Speaker 2: The NFC did win over the AFC and they won
Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl games.
Speaker 3: They also won the relay race and the Tug of War.
Speaker 2: AFC won the Punt Perfect event as well.
Speaker 3: In case you're just joining us, where have you been?
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett has asked the Cleveland Browns to trade him.
Speaker 2: I thought the Cleveland brown said that no matter what
Speaker 2: you gave them, gave him a couple of first time
Speaker 2: draft picks, they wouldn't be trading him. But he just
Speaker 2: made that public and sent out a statement basically saying
Speaker 2: goodbye to the Cleveland Browns and the city of Cleveland.
Speaker 3: Next up is the Golicks.
Speaker 2: The father son team known for their football and great
Speaker 2: job on their Draft Kings podcast. One of them seems
Speaker 2: to be getting smaller as he gets older, the other
Speaker 2: one not so much.
Speaker 1: Here's Mike Golick and Mike well like junior.
Speaker 3: Yeah look at that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 8: That's some great writing, right, Yeah, appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Yeahs accurate?
Speaker 3: Accurate?
Speaker 2: No, you know, not wrong, especially not this week. But
Speaker 2: you know he goes by Big Mike, and you're bigger
Speaker 2: than big mind.
Speaker 15: The the worst part about working with my dad has
Speaker 15: been the full head of hair and the weight loss. Like,
Speaker 15: as my dad has gotten healthier, who wouldn't want that
Speaker 15: for their parents?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 15: Doing well late in life as my dad goes to
Speaker 15: his remaining years and is taking as good a care
Speaker 15: of himself as.
Speaker 1: He can remaining years. Yeah, you know, are you in hospice?
Speaker 8: Oh my god?
Speaker 10: Well, I mean what is he he's leading? I have
Speaker 10: a leash on like the kids in the in the mall. Yeah,
Speaker 10: he puts a leash on me this expedition. You know,
Speaker 10: he's he talks so much better than I ever talked.
Speaker 10: He's smarter than I ever was my only comeback whenever
Speaker 10: he to me his live hair, it.
Speaker 8: Goes to the well on that early and all that work.
Speaker 1: Really sick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you fought right now.
Speaker 10: Oh, tell him tell him about when it when it's
Speaker 10: the change over.
Speaker 15: This was easter I think my junior year of college.
Speaker 15: So I'm you know two ninety five best shape in
Speaker 15: my life. Dad's i mean double digit shoulder surgeries and
Speaker 15: he's begun the weight loss journey. But we're back at
Speaker 15: my grandmother's house, the house he grew up in in Willowick, Ohio,
Speaker 15: and we had gone back and forth and he had
Speaker 15: always said, whenever you think you're ready for it, we'll
Speaker 15: go out there. And he's a former collegiate wrestler, so
Speaker 15: he said, we'll go out there and we'll see if
Speaker 15: you can get up from off the mat. We did
Speaker 15: it in his front yard in jeans and polos, after
Speaker 15: my grandmother had cooked us Easter brunch, and I.
Speaker 8: Embarrassed him in front of his entire childhood neighborhood.
Speaker 10: He did, he did in front of the whole neighborhood.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was it. That was it.
Speaker 3: You know, aout watching he knows rob the weak spots, well,
Speaker 3: that has to be.
Speaker 2: Hellie Long probably had this same moment, Yes, exactly his voice.
Speaker 10: Yes, Oh, I'm sure it. It's just a matter of
Speaker 10: when it changed over. If you ask how, he's going
Speaker 10: to say it never changed over, but we know it does.
Speaker 1: He probably had that that that horseshoe.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's exactly there. That dude looks so good in
Speaker 10: the uniform. I we were both the linemen and that's
Speaker 10: where the that's where the sameness.
Speaker 2: Entends, all right, Miles Garrett speaking a defensive lineman, has
Speaker 2: basically said goodbye to the city of Cleveland and the
Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3: What's he worth on the open market?
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 10: I mean remember when he came in the league and
Speaker 10: there were there were executives that thought he was too
Speaker 10: philosophical to be a dog in the league.
Speaker 1: Dinosaurs, I mean unbelievable.
Speaker 10: Well, the thing about it is Dan is how much
Speaker 10: power does an NFL player have? We know basketball players
Speaker 10: have power, but how much power does an NFL But
Speaker 10: he has years left on his contract, so how much
Speaker 10: power can he actually wield? It's going to have to
Speaker 10: be the business decision on the side of the Browns
Speaker 10: to say do we want to just force him to
Speaker 10: stay or do we want to say, okay, he wants
Speaker 10: to be gone, get the best deal we can get.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean he's got to be worth you know,
Speaker 15: I mean as close to quarterbly vices and trades where
Speaker 15: you're talking about first rounders are multiple unders, especially as
Speaker 15: you said, they've got control if you've got him and
Speaker 15: you've got three years left on a deal and he's
Speaker 15: in the prime of his career, a player like that,
Speaker 15: who is in you know it's him, Michael Parsons, t J. Jononds,
Speaker 15: These guys that are true game wreckers that every offensive
Speaker 15: coordinator has to spend the first and last moments of
Speaker 15: their meetings talking about. There's really not a price too
Speaker 15: high to pay. I think at this point for a guy.
Speaker 2: Like where does Jalen Carter come into that conversation with
Speaker 2: these defensive lineup.
Speaker 10: Jalen Carter has entered superstar status. You know that was
Speaker 10: kind of Chris Jones, Aaron Donald obviously before he left.
Speaker 10: Chris Jones lining up a d tackle also at edge
Speaker 10: on third downs. But Jalen Carter is what he does
Speaker 10: with Chris Jones? Does they play on the other side
Speaker 10: of the line. And that's what I meant, God Rest
Speaker 10: the soul guy played with Jerome Brown as an interior
Speaker 10: D lineman played on the other side of the line,
Speaker 10: and it always does and show up in stack.
Speaker 3: What do you mean the other side of the lone.
Speaker 10: He plays on the offensive in the offensive backfield makes penetration. Okay,
Speaker 10: it will make penetration on the center or the guard,
Speaker 10: and a lot doesn't get sacks, well get to And
Speaker 10: the thing is about it, sacks is kind of outdated. Now,
Speaker 10: it's pressures, it's it's for it's it's pressure shows up
Speaker 10: in the stat book, but it's also on a running attack.
Speaker 10: If you make a running back go east and west
Speaker 10: and he can't go downhill, that doesn't show up in
Speaker 10: a stat book, but everybody on film knows it, especially
Speaker 10: the interior offensive line.
Speaker 15: We kind of went through that in the run game
Speaker 15: a little bit. I forget who it was over at
Speaker 15: ESPN Analytics that kind of tried to do that, Hey,
Speaker 15: maybe Aaron Donald's actually not as good of a run defender.
Speaker 8: As you all thought. And we all promptly sent that
Speaker 8: one back.
Speaker 15: And I love you know, Seth Walder and those guys
Speaker 15: do a phenomenal job, but we're like, maybe we've overcooked this, yeah,
Speaker 15: a little bit too much. Ninety nine's in the opposing
Speaker 15: backfield with that color showing up almost every other play,
Speaker 15: and Jalen Carter's kind of there and he's got a
Speaker 15: little bit more like sand in his pants, Like that's
Speaker 15: a guy. And when Aaron Donald comes out and says,
Speaker 15: I think he told the Sean McCoy that's the new me,
Speaker 15: Like the next me has arrived in the NFL.
Speaker 1: That's really all you need to know. And sand in
Speaker 1: your pants is just a little.
Speaker 8: More wait, a little more wait. Letting your pencil, Aaron.
Speaker 4: Your pencil.
Speaker 10: Family, that's a that's the we're talking about the area here, it'll.
Speaker 1: Be on the show.
Speaker 3: Get up, Come on now?
Speaker 10: Where you sending this show?
Speaker 4: Mike? What are you doing? Yeah?
Speaker 8: That one young said it?
Speaker 1: So which one's big?
Speaker 4: Mike? Go ahead?
Speaker 2: Mike Golic Senior and Junior Here a host of Gojo
Speaker 2: and Golic on Draft Kings Network. Here the team more
Speaker 2: likely to blow out the other team in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 10: Well, I think it's Kansas City. Even though they've won
Speaker 10: double digit one score games. They have the ability with
Speaker 10: homes with Xavier Worthy, who can be a home run
Speaker 10: every time he touches a ball, I think to get
Speaker 10: that two to three score lead, I don't think they will.
Speaker 10: I'm actually going in Philadelphia with Philadelphia in this game.
Speaker 10: God knows why I betting against Kansas City. I mean,
Speaker 10: if we.
Speaker 3: Didn't we do this with Brady all the time.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing.
Speaker 10: I only have a few more years in this business.
Speaker 10: Yeah according to Mike, Yeah, I'm in hospice. Yeah so,
Speaker 10: but I do think that Kansas City has more of
Speaker 10: the ability to blow off photo.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I would actually go opposite. I'm picking Kansas City
Speaker 15: to win the game. But if you ask me gamescript wise,
Speaker 15: who would be in a position, I think it's still
Speaker 15: just all the time you can do that roster. I
Speaker 15: think between Saquon Barkley and the home run threat there
Speaker 15: and what we saw me in the NFC Championship Round
Speaker 15: A J. Brown kind of reminding everyone there were points
Speaker 15: early in this season when even amidt Saquon Barkley's you know,
Speaker 15: MVP caliber year, people were like, that might be the
Speaker 15: most important player on the team when it's all said
Speaker 15: and done. So, I think they'd be the team that
Speaker 15: would be more likely to if this thing went away
Speaker 15: and sideways. It would be because they put there for
Speaker 15: You're wrong, Okay, nailed it, flawless victory.
Speaker 4: It's my analysis.
Speaker 1: He's wrong.
Speaker 2: If Saquon Barkley doesn't win the MVP, will a running
Speaker 2: back win an MVP in our lifetime?
Speaker 3: Now, your lifetime is not that much.
Speaker 10: Well, I was going to say, I got a couple
Speaker 10: more Super Bowls in me let's year.
Speaker 3: Ten years, will a running back win the MVP?
Speaker 10: I mean, you look, it was the year of the
Speaker 10: running back change in teams from Henry to Saquon to
Speaker 10: Joe Mixon to Josh Jacobs. But I don't think the
Speaker 10: value is going to increase in the contracts because of it.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 10: I don't think so.
Speaker 4: I think Saquon is the.
Speaker 10: One unless Derrick Henry has another Now he's going to
Speaker 10: be over thirty next year. Unless Baltimore finally reaches a
Speaker 10: Super Bowl and he has another year like he had,
Speaker 10: he in my eyes, would be the only one, unless
Speaker 10: you get a back that catches the ball out of
Speaker 10: the backfield like a Christian McCaffrey, if he's ever healthy again.
Speaker 2: This is the perfect, perfect story. Giants don't want him.
Speaker 2: We see it on TV unfold right before very eyes.
Speaker 2: He goes to the Eagles and that offensive he changed
Speaker 2: their offense.
Speaker 3: Oh, without question, you rush for two thousand yards.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: I know Lamar was great and Josh was great as well.
Speaker 2: But if you like, value is such a weird word.
Speaker 1: If I it feels like.
Speaker 2: The value of what he did for that Eagles team
Speaker 2: and Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1: Two thousand yards.
Speaker 2: I think if he had gotten the record, then I
Speaker 2: think people would have it would have been easier for
Speaker 2: the voters to go, well, he did.
Speaker 10: Set the I think if he were I had said
Speaker 10: on the show, if he'd gotten the record, he'd get
Speaker 10: the MVP. I thought he would have got the MVP
Speaker 10: over Lamar who.
Speaker 3: I think he chose not to get the MVP.
Speaker 10: He chose and the team kind of session.
Speaker 4: Decision it was.
Speaker 10: And if there's a record that can go down in
Speaker 10: the Super Bowl, Mike and I talked about it this morning,
Speaker 10: it's either three rushing touchdowns where you could tie, or
Speaker 10: about three or four guys have it, because you saw
Speaker 10: Saquon and Jalen both get three touchdowns in the championship game.
Speaker 10: But how about the rushing record two hundred and four
Speaker 10: yards Timmy Smith back in Super Bowl what twenty two
Speaker 10: for you youngsters that will not you know, remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Fritzy remembers it.
Speaker 4: Was ten nothing Broncos in that game.
Speaker 10: Yeah yeah, but two hundred and four yards Now, I
Speaker 10: don't know if Sakwan that he's.
Speaker 3: Gonna get Terrell Davis's all time single season.
Speaker 10: He needs twenty nine yards. I think for that, Yeah,
Speaker 10: they're nine yards time.
Speaker 15: I mean it's it's something to Dan's original question, I'll say, yes,
Speaker 15: we will. Like I wouldn't have thought so before, but
Speaker 15: we've kind of seen the pendulum swinging back.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 15: We're five years from moving from This is a pat
Speaker 15: in space league. It's like the new SEC West where Hey,
Speaker 15: everyone that we thought was playing this physical brand of
Speaker 15: football before turned it into eleven personnel nickel defenses and
Speaker 15: then everyone said, oh wait a minute, everyone got really
Speaker 15: light on defense. Let's go and run it right down
Speaker 15: their throat. And so you combined that, I think reinvesting
Speaker 15: inside the trenches for a lot of people with an
Speaker 15: influx of young running back talented like Jon Robinson in
Speaker 15: a couple of years could be in that situation. If
Speaker 15: things don't materialize in Atlanta, maybe he's a guy that.
Speaker 8: The team in the right spot with the right line
Speaker 8: goes for.
Speaker 15: I mean, we're getting ready to watch one of them
Speaker 15: right now come out in the NFL Draft this year.
Speaker 8: So you've got a few young guys that.
Speaker 15: Could be in that position talent wise, if they land
Speaker 15: in the right situation breakthrough.
Speaker 2: When we look at you know, Lebron will never be
Speaker 2: greater than Michael Jordan in people's eyes, But can Patrick
Speaker 2: Mahomes be greater than Tom Braid? There's not this love
Speaker 2: affair for Brady that they're the admiration. The fandom for
Speaker 2: Mike was different. Oh, but you know, can Mahomes be
Speaker 2: looked at as better?
Speaker 3: What's he have to do to be better than.
Speaker 10: Totalra Listen, I think I think two things. I mean,
Speaker 10: you think of that the Patriots, how they were run
Speaker 10: by Belichick, nobody said anything, and you look Kansas City,
Speaker 10: they're fun. Andy Reid, Andy Reid, I hate to go
Speaker 10: away from your question. Andy Reid's going to be the
Speaker 10: winning his coach in the NFL. He's going to pass Donchula.
Speaker 10: He needs forty seven wins twelve and four years.
Speaker 4: He can do that.
Speaker 10: He needs three wins to pass Belichick for most playoff wins.
Speaker 4: He's going to be the winning.
Speaker 10: At coach pat While I disagree with it, quarterback and
Speaker 10: Super Bowl are joint and get the hip the number
Speaker 10: you win so and the number you lose kind of
Speaker 10: like you know, Lebron with the number is loss as
Speaker 10: opposed to Jordan not losing any So I think Mahomes
Speaker 10: can reach Tom's because he's what twenty eight, And I
Speaker 10: mean I think he could reach Tom's level for sure.
Speaker 3: I thought he has to get to that number.
Speaker 10: I think he has.
Speaker 8: I don't think so.
Speaker 10: I think he can get to a little less. But
Speaker 10: if he gets there, I think he's gonna have it.
Speaker 10: But they're just more fun.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 10: We are getting Kansas City chief fatigue, right, kind of
Speaker 10: like Tiger Woods fatigue, Golden State fatigue. You know, you're
Speaker 10: kind of hoping somebody else wins. But I mean they're
Speaker 10: a dynasty.
Speaker 15: I forget who I had the conversation with, but I
Speaker 15: think our introduction to Pat was so different than with.
Speaker 1: Tom, like they shock drop pad on us.
Speaker 15: We got the seven Patriots right out of the gate
Speaker 15: with this version of Kansas City, and now we're getting
Speaker 15: to like the early one to oh two ones where
Speaker 15: it's more default, grind it out, like the career arcs different.
Speaker 15: So even now as defense last year was the story
Speaker 15: for this team, and this year it's been and you know,
Speaker 15: poison close moments and still a lot of the defense
Speaker 15: leaning on it, Like Pat's gonna get a lot of
Speaker 15: that credit because he showed us early on. He's the
Speaker 15: reason why everything goes around there. So I don't think
Speaker 15: it's going to take matching that same number leaving the
Speaker 15: way Tom did at the end to beat all that.
Speaker 15: I think if Pat's close, based on the ability, because
Speaker 15: he gives us that Aaron Rodgers ability. Like you guys,
Speaker 15: remember we had that conversation all the time, the best
Speaker 15: of all time versus the greatest of all time, because
Speaker 15: Brady had all the accomplishment, but Aaron Rodgers had all
Speaker 15: the ability. We got the dude with both now, So
Speaker 15: if you're just close, I think they'll give that tie
Speaker 15: to him.
Speaker 2: And it's weird that I thought about Joe Montana for
Speaker 2: such a long period of time. You see him walking
Speaker 2: down the street, you'd say, that's the greatest quarterback of
Speaker 2: all time.
Speaker 3: Tom comes along. Now he loses that identity.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: Now Patrick Mahomes comes along, he goes down the totem
Speaker 2: pole there a little bit. It's kind of and he
Speaker 2: never lost, but still it's one of those where you
Speaker 2: lose your identity a little bit, and.
Speaker 10: And you see Jordan didn't. Jordan is six and zero
Speaker 10: and Jordan's still the top dog. Joe Montana. Maybe it's
Speaker 10: our age, Dan. Maybe Joe's because he's our age, you know,
Speaker 10: according to Mike, and you know, losing the identity.
Speaker 15: Talk about Dan, I'm talking about you. Yeah, Oh Dan, young, spry,
Speaker 15: full of life.
Speaker 14: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 10: But you're right about Joe. He just keeps keeps falling
Speaker 10: down the totem pole a little bit.
Speaker 15: Joe seems we're doing all right though every year Notre
Speaker 15: Dame comes out with a new partner with some liquor
Speaker 15: company and Joe's face Joe, no, but right.
Speaker 2: Thompson had a deep dive on Joe Montana and it's
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, but it really was illuminating
Speaker 2: that you so much is attached to your legacy, like
Speaker 2: who you are, and then all of a sudden, you're
Speaker 2: not that, And I don't know, it just made him,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then I talked to.
Speaker 2: Him about it, and you know, he's not sharing in
Speaker 2: his you know, his awards, they're not around right like
Speaker 2: he just I don't know, and he was all banged up.
Speaker 2: He went through hell with his body, and I don't know.
Speaker 2: For some reason, the greater that mahomes is and Brady
Speaker 2: has been the like Dan Marino.
Speaker 3: I think Dan Marino is one of the you know, you.
Speaker 1: Can say influential quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: Of all time.
Speaker 4: Completely agree.
Speaker 2: He was doing five wide in the eighties, like he
Speaker 2: was so far ahead of everybody.
Speaker 10: Quickst release. I've I played with and against one of
Speaker 10: your teammates for a year, but that's one of the reasons.
Speaker 10: And I chose not to be one of the greatest
Speaker 10: players because.
Speaker 8: I didn't want to them go through losing.
Speaker 4: My identity.
Speaker 1: Accomplished it. Yeah, yeah, damn will Dare not.
Speaker 8: All your dreams, kids, just set them dangerously.
Speaker 3: Low, and your son has followed in your fell.
Speaker 1: Lower.
Speaker 4: I was like, what the NFL now?
Speaker 8: No, No, let's you know, bottom out in college.
Speaker 4: As they call it a day.
Speaker 2: It's Mike Senior, Mike Junior ones Big Mike, co host
Speaker 2: of Gojo and Golic on DraftKings Network. It's great to
Speaker 2: see you, guys. My best to the family, certainly your wife,
Speaker 2: and we'll come back. We'll close up shop. Last call
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