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Speaker 1: thirty three to thirty over Buffalo. You know what, John,

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Speaker 1: Like everybody in America, I have watched every replay, and

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Speaker 1: I watched it about thirty times after talking to a GM,

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Speaker 1: and I'll just leave it at that. Said, in the end,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the catch has become such

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Speaker 2: of the law, they got it right. I think you

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Speaker 2: I do feel for Sean McDermott. If you watched his

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Speaker 2: And it felt very rushed. Now I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: was avoidable. And I also think it's a reflection of

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Speaker 2: when the season's on the line. He's throwing a jump

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Speaker 1: And credit to Denver, they will not have bow Knicks.

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Speaker 1: Also, John, when you do the first hire, you get

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Speaker 2: My only issue with the Giants. Thing is the Giants

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Speaker 2: he got the Denver job. He was kind of like

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Speaker 2: you know, Chris Ballard, Adam Peters. There are these rare

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Speaker 2: personnel guys that, like Cassario was like, that have a

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Speaker 2: run where they kind of pick their specific job. This

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Speaker 2: doesn't feel like that with Joe Shane, and it almost

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Speaker 2: feels inevitable that he's just gonna have a raven type

432
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Speaker 2: guy in that spot. Why not do it right now?

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Speaker 2: Why not just start fresh? So John, because sometimes coaches

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Speaker 2: they think a lot different than personnel guys Rshonelle. Guys

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Speaker 2: can be a little less emotional, can think bigger picture stuff.

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Speaker 2: They understand the marketplace of the draft a little bit better.

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Speaker 2: And I'd just be Now, the Giants don't really have

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Speaker 2: a crazy It's not like there's a Khalil Mack for

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Speaker 2: him to trade or know something crazy for him. But

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Speaker 2: in a year he could do something that maybe he

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Speaker 2: would regret in two years that he didn't have to

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Speaker 2: do that in Baltimore because he had Ozzie and Ericacosta

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Speaker 2: and by many consider the best one of the best

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Speaker 2: staffs in the league. Now he's going he's you know

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Speaker 2: Vrabel when he went to New England, brought one of

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Speaker 2: his guys to Tennessee to work with Elliott Wolf. I

447
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Speaker 2: have a lot of friends that think, you watch John

448
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Speaker 2: will bring uh, you know, a Baltimore guy with him.

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Speaker 2: But then that's what's the point, you know, it's I'd

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Speaker 2: be very careful about that, totally pro the higher think

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Speaker 2: it's a no brainer, but that the coach having too

452
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Speaker 2: much jew sometimes they can. I think he told the

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Speaker 2: Youan O'Connor, we plan on making the playoffs next year.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this guy's not coming there to uh to rebuild.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's hard enough to be a GM.

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Speaker 1: I think you have to be very careful about wanting

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Speaker 1: that power. Sean Payton has had some power, but again

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Speaker 1: has a really strong guy. Joe Shane, I don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't think is going to rise to a top five

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Speaker 1: GM the Saquon Barkley move because it was so public

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Speaker 1: and on TV. But I mean, let's be honest. Abdul

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Speaker 1: Carter was skataboo. Jackson Dart Malik neighbors when he's healthy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are some players on this roster that

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Speaker 1: he's done a pretty good job. Joe Shane hasn't. He

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Speaker 1: hasn't whiffed. I mean Brandon Bean with the Buffalo Bills has.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's some big whiffs here. So Joe Shane's

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Speaker 1: done been more than competent for a lot of his

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Speaker 1: draft picks. The Saquon Bartley thing is going to hang

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Speaker 1: over him forever.

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Speaker 3: That's why.

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Speaker 1: That's another reason why you don't want to do one

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Speaker 1: of these HBO Hard Knocks shows. But I my argument

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Speaker 1: is that division between Dallas's dysfunction. You know, Dan Quinn,

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Speaker 1: keep your eyes on that, Adam Peters basically Cliff Kingsbury

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Speaker 1: felt he was bullied. Now you don't have an offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator Jade and Daniels. You cross your fingers. Siriani's going

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Speaker 1: to maintain his job. So my take it, this is

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Speaker 1: not one of the stronger coach divisions. This is not mcveay,

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Speaker 1: Shanahan and Mike McDonald. Okay, this division is a Harbaugh.

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Speaker 1: The minute you hired Vrabel, best coach in the division,

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Speaker 1: the minute you hire John Harbaugh, best coach in the division,

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Speaker 1: that usually works out well.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think what you can see with Washington come

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Speaker 2: from a mile away is Mike Tomlin because pretty sure

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Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin's from that general area. Yeah, and he's gonna

486
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Speaker 2: go on TV. His stock is only going to skyrocket

487
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Speaker 2: and who's their owner? An NBA guy who is He

488
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Speaker 2: hired Doc Rivers. Nick Nurse won an NBA championship in

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Speaker 2: nb get Paul George Like, the NBA's just splash your league,

490
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Speaker 2: and that's he's kind of used to that, and he goes, well,

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Speaker 2: we haven't even won, but we've always been a topic

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Speaker 2: of conversation. We can win and be a topic of conversation.

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Speaker 2: To me, you can see it coming from a mile away.

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Speaker 2: The Tomlin thing. Who's his right hand man now, Bob Myers,

495
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Speaker 2: NBA guy, their mental Bushott, he's an NFL guy, thinks

496
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Speaker 2: big picture, can take a deep breath, doesn't live you know,

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Speaker 2: on Twitter, like doesn't even care. Right, most of these

498
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Speaker 2: NFL owners, they're making so much money. They realized that

499
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Speaker 2: they've been making the money before social media. They realize

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Speaker 2: how a real thing is. The NBA is a little

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Speaker 2: bit more of day to day Internet, all about flashy

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Speaker 2: headlines and Josh Harris like to me, dan Quinn's a

503
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Speaker 2: year away. You don't make the playoffs next year.

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Speaker 1: Which listen, the Eagles.

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Speaker 2: Obviously they're coach, but they're gonna be good. You know,

506
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Speaker 2: they got good players.

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Speaker 1: Dallas john sasty Ben Johnson turned down Washington. His takeaway

508
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Speaker 1: was the Washington guys, the NBA. Washington guys thought they

509
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Speaker 1: knew a little more about football than they really did.

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Speaker 1: Those are NBA guys. Yeah, I think the Tomlin thing,

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Speaker 1: I think you're right about. And Tomlin's not a college

512
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Speaker 1: or a West coast guy. He wants to stay east.

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Speaker 1: That's his heritage, that's his history, that's what he feels

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Speaker 1: comfortable doing. Again, some of these guys, Belichick, Vrabel, Tomlin, Harball,

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Speaker 1: they just feel like they're at home. They feel comfort.

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Speaker 1: Where you live dictates a lot of your happiness and

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Speaker 1: comfort and confidence. And I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: I give Mike a lot of credit if truly and

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Speaker 2: who knows exactly the behind the scenes detail, but if

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Speaker 2: he truly looked in the mirror, and he probably would

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Speaker 2: have known this before the day that he announced, Like,

522
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Speaker 2: this thing's over, right, they're gonna be better off. I

523
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Speaker 2: need to move. Sean Payton did the same thing, like, guys,

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Speaker 2: this thing's done, we need both pivot nineteen eighteen years.

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Speaker 2: You know, John Harbaugh, it's hard. I mean they reports

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Speaker 2: Mike Tomind's making twenty five million dollars. Most human beings

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Speaker 2: no walk away from that. But he saw this team

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Speaker 2: a lot like the Saints. It's gonna get uglier before

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Speaker 2: it gets better. Yeah, what was the Rooney's quote, We

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Speaker 2: don't plan on a rebuilding. Well, bro, you might need

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Speaker 2: You got problems. So I think Mike Tomlin if dan

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Speaker 2: Quinn is dan Quinn. You know, he's a great guy.

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Speaker 2: People love him. Is he missed and he's had a

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Speaker 1: I think he's mid. I think that's fair. I think

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Speaker 1: They did it against Iowa, they did it against Penn State,

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Speaker 1: were any critics or doubters that he's the number one

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Speaker 1: pick John, I mean, he just that core or back

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Speaker 1: draw for a touchdown took a beating listen. I think

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Speaker 1: you know what I think it proves is that Miami

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Speaker 1: not only deserve to be in the College Football Playoff,

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Speaker 1: but Miami was the second best team. I mean, Ohio

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I mean they were driving to

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Speaker 1: I think we got the two best teams in the country.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, if you're an SEC fan, not

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Speaker 1: widening between the Big ten and the SEC. Miami has major,

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Speaker 1: recruiting hotbed and crystal Ball maybe the best recruiter in

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Speaker 1: the country. So Miami and Indiana. Now Indiana's got Mark

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Speaker 1: Cuban's checkbook, John John Middlecoff joining us. It just it's

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Speaker 1: a those are Miami and Indiana, John are not going

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Speaker 1: any where.

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Speaker 2: Well, the one thing Mario's gonna do is building the trenches,

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Speaker 2: and that's gonna translate moving forward. I mean they had

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Speaker 2: early on in the game he went, this is gonna

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Speaker 2: be hard. This felt like an NFL game to me,

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Speaker 2: Like the stats like this wasn't gonna be either quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: about getting big third and fours converted. The Mendoza in

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Speaker 2: he hopped right back up, faced off. And then obviously

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Speaker 2: he played well throughout, but even Ohio State because I

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Speaker 2: started texting around. You know, Bain is viewed as a

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Speaker 2: was like, you know, teams, and it's like, well, he

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Speaker 2: might not go in the first round because he's older,

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Speaker 2: but he ain't gonna last far in the second round.

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Speaker 2: So they have two guys that were just coming their

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Speaker 2: d line and the other guys are really good. That

637
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 2: was a test for Indiana, the physicality, because one thing

638
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: Indiana's had is beside Ohio State, no one could match

639
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: their physicality. I'd argue, tell me, if you agree with this,

640
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: are they the best team? I'm saying team in college

641
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: or pro because they don't really have a weakness. Their

642
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: defense is great, their offense is very well rounded, their

643
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: special teams are fantastic.

644
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: I would say Seattle feels the same way as when

645
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: you can have great special teams. I think they said

646
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: that was the eighth blocked hunt by a Signetti team

647
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: at Indiana, So like, Seattle is rare where they don't

648
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: have a whole and they have elite special teams. That's Indiana.

649
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 3: So like that.

650
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: You don't get that usually at the college level, even

651
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: when you have great college programs, you don't spend any

652
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: you know, you're not spending nil money these days on

653
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: the special teams. I can't remember when Pete Carroll was

654
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: at USC they didn't even care about special teams. They

655
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: didn't even go for blocks. You know, they were just

656
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: gonna beat you on their units O and D, and

657
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: so I think I would say this about Indiana. They're

658
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: they were trailing the entire game. They felt like they

659
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: were coming from behind. Miami is physically. The way to

660
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: beat Indiana is what Ohio State and Miami have, which

661
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: is better than average college quarterback. Big time skill players

662
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: that can you know you don't. You can get over

663
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: the top. Fletcher the running back, Tony the receiver, you

664
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: can pop for big plays. You're not going to get

665
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: thirteen to fifteen play drives in Indiana and Ohio State

666
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: and Miami both had that. And then in tough physical

667
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: defenses that make Indiana get down to late third and

668
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: five and fourth and three because you can't give ma

669
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: any you can't. You can't win against Mendoza if it's

670
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: third and one, if it's second and four, you've got

671
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: to put him into third and fives, fourth and fourths.

672
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: You've got to make him earn it. But that's what

673
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: Indiana does. I mean, they're gutsy play calling, those sideline

674
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: fade patterns. They're just a really complete college team. And again,

675
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: this is what the sixtieth ranked recruiting classes John, They're

676
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: going to get top twenty classes now. Now they've got

677
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: Cuban's checkbook. So, I mean next year, Ohio State's loaded,

678
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: Michigan's gonna rebound with Witningham, They've got great offensive pieces.

679
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: Indiana's going nowhere. Oregon now with Dante Moore's a top

680
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: six program. USC and Washington are out of the rebuild stage.

681
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: They both have their quarterbacks returning and a lot of

682
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: nil money and a lot of players. Penn State with

683
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: Matt Campbell should be at least maybe they'll be somewhere

684
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Speaker 1: around the top twenty twenty five. I just think this

685
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: is I think the Big Ten now at the top

686
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: is the best conference hands down.

687
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: Well, and it's a coaching conference. What do you think

688
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: about it? Right Saban retires, you add Signetti, who immediately

689
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: is just an elite. I mean, he's he's right away.

690
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: I mean, there's not a better coach right now in

691
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: the country than him. I mean, look what he just

692
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: dated and Dan Lanning like they were Swiss cheese and

693
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: took on Miami and physically went toe to toe with

694
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: them and obviously beat Ryan Day. So he's you got

695
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: to give him for them, you know, living in the moment,

696
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: the best coach in the country. The money aspect in

697
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: the transfer portal advantage for them, I mean, Signetti, I

698
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 2: was reading, I don't know that much about the transfer portal,

699
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: had a great transfer portal, landed a quarterback, Like they're

700
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: not only not going away, like they're gonna view themselves

701
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: as a playoff team again next year.

702
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 3: Like this is switched.

703
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: This isn't you know? It used to be pre recruiting

704
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: if a team had a great year basketball or football

705
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 2: that got kind of a one year wonder. Well, one

706
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: year wonders are over. If you have the money, you

707
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: just keep it rolling, you keep it flowing.

708
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 1: That's right.

709
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 2: So and the other advantage he has like his coordinators

710
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: aren't going anywhere, well, I mean, what do they really

711
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: hang their hat on, because beside Mendoza, Miami had way

712
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: more prospects in the top one hundred of this upcoming

713
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: draft in Indiana. They're the best coach team even tonight.

714
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 2: You just saw even when their plays didn't hit, one

715
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: time one of their wide receivers got held. It was

716
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: a perfect route. They find a weakness, like the weakness

717
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: of Miami clearly is a secondary, and they found the

718
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 2: weak link on that secondary twenty four and they were

719
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: just going after him, and they were going after That's

720
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: what NFL cort when they find a week link. You've

721
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: seen it with Ben Johnson, with Kyle sy and an

722
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 2: Sean mcvagh and they attack.

723
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: Well, what is happening in America? The the elite one

724
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: percent have separated. The Dow is almost at fifty thousand,

725
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: So again, what would put college football in the crosshairs

726
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: of trouble. It's just like our national debt. You know why,

727
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: our national debt. We talk about it a lot, but

728
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: we're not in danger because our economy keeps growing sour

729
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: as our economy grow, That's the only way Elon must know.

730
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: Elon must talks about this regularly. The debt becomes less

731
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: relevant if your economy grows. The debt's a bigger problem

732
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: in Europe because their economy is not growing at the

733
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: pace of America's. According to all the economists, Well, it's

734
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: the same in the nil It's very easy for a

735
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: guy to rationalize a six million dollar check to his

736
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: locan university if things are humming in the economy. So

737
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: if the economy crashed, that's what I think when college

738
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: football people would say, Okay, I'm not we're taking two

739
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: years off. I'm not writing you four million dollars in checks.

740
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: So even for billionaires, a lot of it is what's

741
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: the current state of the economy. So for the rich

742
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: right now, not middle class, not normal people, but for

743
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: the rich, they've separated. Things are good, things are hot.

744
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: And that's about as deep into the economy as John

745
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: and I'll ever go, because I certainly don't know what

746
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, but I think a big picture and

747
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:22,959
Speaker 1: all of that that is true.

748
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just those guys are more willing. They've

749
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: never had more money, and it keeps giving these checks.

750
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 2: But if it does flip, and what's the first thing

751
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: to go the second home, the country club membership, that's

752
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: where this time. This is funny right now, and if

753
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: you're doing well, and it's probably flowing, I mean, Indiana,

754
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 2: the amount of booster money they are going to get

755
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: in the next six months is going to be historic.

756
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 1: Well, and here's the other thing baseball talks about this.

757
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: This is why I keep saying, you can tell me

758
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: college football is in trouble. The ratings for tonight's game

759
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: are going to be massive. ESPN and Fox have great

760
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: college football deals. They're making a lot of money on it.

761
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: The tendants has been great. Remember there was a decline

762
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: in ratings and attendants during the Alabama dynasty at the

763
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: end the last five years. That was the problem. The

764
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: sport became incredibly regional. Well, it's not regional. The country

765
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: was watching Miami in Indiana, so Indiana Boom.

766
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 3: Huge fans.

767
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: SEC fans were obviously watching because Big Ten's there, villain Miami.

768
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: You've got the ACC watching, and I think West Coast people,

769
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,959
Speaker 1: I've said this is growing up on the West Coast,

770
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: you always watched Big ten football because they were in

771
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl. So I've always been a Big ten fan.

772
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: Even if I was a Husky or a Duck or

773
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: a Trojan, I was always a big I watched everybody

774
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: in the Big Ten. But I love the SEC as well.

775
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: I didn't really start watching the SEC till Nick Saban

776
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: really took it to another level. Most of my life.

777
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: In the nineties, SEC didn't feel as popular. It was

778
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: regionalized forward that you watched Michigan football, whatever, Ohio State

779
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: football much more often than you ever did beside maybe

780
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: like a big Florida Georgia game. You weren't watching random

781
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 2: SEC games. And obviously the TV has expanded that. But

782
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: the Big Ten feels like they're pretty good spy right now.

783
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: They are so but I think about this all the time.

784
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: People complain about baseball and they say, oh, Kyle Tucker

785
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: went to the Dodgers. Well, baseball was in a big

786
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: was in a really dry spot about three years ago. Okay,

787
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 1: attendants was going down for three straight years. TV ratings

788
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: were going down for fifteen and then Rob Manford said, pitchclocked, speed,

789
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: the game up, defensive shift, no pitcher's hitting. All of

790
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: a sudden, you look up and you're like, oh, there's

791
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: more hits, there's more action, there's more runs. O TODDI

792
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,479
Speaker 1: goes Angels Dodgers, And over the course of the last

793
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: couple of weeks the Dodgers have gotten better. The Cubs

794
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: added Bregman at third, Cabrera, the pitcher Yankees Weathers throwing

795
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: another good arm the Yankees, the Cubs, the Dodgers all

796
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: got better. Well, I'm sorry. That's not bad for baseball.

797
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: The nil and the transfer portal is not bad for

798
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: college football. When Miami and the Big tenor humming in

799
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: the Texas schools are humming and Notre Dame is high, folks,

800
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: college football is in a great spot. This sport's never

801
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: been about perdue. Okay, the bottom line, it's always been

802
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: top heavy. Right now, you've got three Texas schools hum

803
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: in Miami, Notre Dame, Big ten in the sects is

804
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: still wildly popular. And I've said this about baseball, Well

805
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: what about the little guy Mariners, Guardians, Brewers all great

806
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 1: last year? By the way, the Astros, if they're healthy,

807
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: with the Cubs, with the Dodgers, with the Padres, with

808
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: the Phillies, with the Yankees and the Mets should be okay,

809
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 1: we'll all be viable. The Pittsburgh Pirates weren't winning twenty

810
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: five years ago. They're not winning now. Nobody cares. So

811
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: Usually when you have these big changes and it feels

812
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: like there's a separation, John, there's a separation in everything.

813
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: You know, Tesla's separated from you know, some automotive company.

814
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: There's a big separation in banking in college football. If

815
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,479
Speaker 1: you look at the country right now, I was looking

816
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: at a baseball salary gap. In baseball. Saint Louis right

817
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: now is a tiny market. They've lost fifteen fortune five

818
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 1: hundred companies in the last you know, thirty years. Saint

819
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: Louis might as well have you know, they're a little

820
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: small fry. They weren't thirty years ago. That's the reality

821
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: of America. The coasts, you know, Florida, Miami, by the way,

822
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: has become a tech center. Miami's got a lot of

823
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: money right now. Part of it is Miami's economy now

824
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: is a big boy economy. It wasn't thirty years ago.

825
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: It wasn't twenty years ago.

826
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Speaker 3: It is now.

827
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Speaker 1: So I don't worry about the sport. I don't worry

828
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: about baseball. I don't worry about college football. Look at

829
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: the ratings, look at the attendance, look at the relevance,

830
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: look at the revenue. College football's on fire. I don't

831
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: remember in the last twenty years caring more about college football.

832
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: Every time I turn a game on John it's like

833
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: the NFL and watching this weekend the weather's horrible. You

834
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: can't find a seat in any of these games. There's

835
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 1: not a seat available in any of these games. When

836
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: they show these panoramic views of the stadium.

837
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 2: They did get lucky that the Bears and the Patriots,

838
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: the Eagles have this, Seattle has this. Are collegiate like

839
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 2: atmospheres and collegiate like fan bases, and there are some

840
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: of the rare fan bases that does have a pageantry

841
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: a little bit like some of these college I mean

842
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: the Bears, that was fun. And I think the NFL,

843
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 2: I'm with you, you turn on it's we talked about

844
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 2: the last seven degrees. The Patriot game shirt didn't look warm.

845
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: There ain't there ain't a seat. You couldn't even get one.

846
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: If you tried one, they'd beat you up. Two it

847
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: does not even available. And I mean look at the

848
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: gating prices tonight. I mean the vibe these games, they

849
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 2: feel like a really big deal. It's a little foam

850
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: mo action to the sport people. Well, and one thing

851
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: football really benefits from is the the inventories just a

852
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: lot smaller than these other sports. I mean, if you

853
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: don't watch an NBA game, you talked about sports for

854
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: a living if you miss a couple of weeks, like

855
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 2: you ain't missing anything right now, you're just not. But

856
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: in football, every game kind of matters. In the playoffs,

857
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: they're not a series. I remember, I remember a couple

858
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: of years ago the Warriors played Memphis in the second round.

859
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 2: They lost a game by fifty points in a playoff series.

860
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 2: It didn't even matter. I mean the game later they win,

861
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 2: they're off to the next round. And football every same

862
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 2: with tonight. Every snap matters, every drive matters. I mean,

863
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: look at Josh Allen's and tears. He knows like it

864
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: felt like he's like his career's over something after losing

865
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: the divisional round playoff game. There is just an intensity

866
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: to football that I listen. It's not proud to say this,

867
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: but the amount of time we spend on our phone,

868
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 2: the way we're wired now, and the urgency to everything.

869
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: Football just benefits from that immediately to the way society

870
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 2: is kind of built. You know, we're not a patient

871
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: place at all anymore. And the NFL is not patient either.

872
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: I mean, look what are their ten job openings, you

873
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: know in the NFL. Look at college football this year,

874
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: four or five games in you weren't winning Brian Kelly,

875
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 2: James Franklin. There's just so much money and fans like that,

876
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: like urgency, let's go next guy, even if it's I mean,

877
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 2: we'll find out the bills. I mean, if it's going

878
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: to work out who they're gonna hire. But I think

879
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: that adds a lot of juice to all this thing.

880
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: Well, I brought him on the herd. He won our

881
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: first ever Big Jay Journalism Award. I think we retired

882
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 1: it after he won it. We've never handed out a second.

883
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: He is the founder of Go Long, one of the

884
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: first guys in sports to really jump over to substack

885
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: and be his own man. I love that about him

886
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: and one of the teams that he has really been

887
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: really ground zero, a foundational reporter, and has pushedback on

888
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: this franchise many times. They have had a wild last

889
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: four weeks. You don't think of Buffalo and controversy. You

890
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: think of New York and controversy in Philadelphia and Boston.

891
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: But Buffalo's just, you know, it's quiet.

892
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 3: It's upstate.

893
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: So let's start with the press conference today where Terry,

894
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: the owner of Bagula, basically calls out Keon Coleman. I

895
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: just kept thinking, man, for a billionaire, that's not a

896
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: ton of self awareness. You were at the press conference. Basically,

897
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: he was defending Billy Bean, who was sitting next to Hi,

898
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: who's taking a ton of criticism for his draft record,

899
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: which is not stellar. Okay, let's start with a press conference.

900
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: Was it awkward when Terry went off script to defend

901
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: Billy Bean?

902
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: You know it. It was uncomfortable. It was awkward.

903
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 4: It was something that you never see in sports, right, owners,

904
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 4: general manager's, head coaches. They never bring you inside publicly

905
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 4: like that and say no, this person wanted that player.

906
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 3: That person wanted that player.

907
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 4: I'll be honest, Colin. I loved the honesty. I love

908
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 4: the transparency.

909
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 3: I'm not in PR.

910
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 4: It probably isn't the best PR move because that's pretty avoidable.

911
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: If you're the Buffalo Bills, like you just don't need

912
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 3: to bring that up.

913
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 4: If you want that information out there, there's people like

914
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 4: me you can tell off the record.

915
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: All these people in all sports know that. But to me,

916
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 3: what I kept thinking of is, all right, the.

917
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 4: One person who has control over this is Keon Coleman.

918
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 4: The only reason he's being framed as a bust is

919
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 4: because he has been a bust two years in.

920
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's showing up late and meetings twice.

921
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 3: He's getting into Sean McDermott's doghouse. I will say this.

922
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 4: I was told it wasn't necessarily Sean McDermott who drafted

923
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 4: Keon Coleman.

924
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 3: It was coaches on the staff.

925
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 4: But yeah, Brandon Bean, it puts him in a tough

926
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 4: spot where he's sitting.

927
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 3: There like, all right, well we're going into year three.

928
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 4: With this guy. We don't want to give up on

929
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 4: this guy. And he later, for you know, made a

930
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 4: point to say, look, I drafted him. We all drafted him.

931
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 4: At that point, it's kind of out there. But to me,

932
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 4: you know what, this press conference was colin truth bombs

933
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 4: left and right, and the truth hurts for for Keon Coleman,

934
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, feelings are hurt more production Sean McDermott.

935
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: They praised him for his nine years of service.

936
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, it's been a decade

937
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 4: with arguably the best player in the league, and what

938
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 4: do you have to show for it? To me, that

939
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 4: was the big take away from this press conference. At

940
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 4: one point, Terry Pogula is looking at all of us

941
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 4: and basically looking to the entire city at Buffalo, say

942
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 4: it is is seven years in a row of making

943
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 4: the playoffs?

944
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 3: Is that success? Is that success? And no Super Bowl appearance?

945
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 4: He's basically asking everybody, if you want to get to

946
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 4: the playoffs and lose, We've done that.

947
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 3: Do we want to win a Super Bowl? Do we

948
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 3: want something more? Then you gotta move on?

949
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 4: Look, I mean, yeah, one stat I'll give you two

950
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 4: is I I've been repeating it non stop.

951
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 3: It go along, but teams.

952
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 4: Move on from head coaches at this point for a reason.

953
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 4: You know, he's entered in year ten. There's only been

954
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 4: three head coaches really two who have won their first

955
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 4: Super Bowl in year nine or beyond with that team,

956
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 4: Bill Kauer, Tom Landry, Hank Stran and Hank Stram won

957
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,479
Speaker 4: an AFL title before that. So you know the list

958
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 4: of the Marty Schottenheimers and Marvin Lewis's and Bart Stars

959
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 4: and Wayne Fonce and mar Levies, it's much much longer.

960
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 3: It was overdue if you.

961
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: Ask me, Yeah, let's let's there was a feeling in Buffalo.

962
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: And I've said this with with Brandon and Bean, I

963
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: did some sourcing on it. I called a couple of gms,

964
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: I respect, I said, what do you what do you

965
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: know about him? Because I don't know him, nor do

966
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: I have any even a text relationship. And they said,

967
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: he's really good with the cap. He's not necessarily known

968
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: as an elite John Snyder level, you know, like what

969
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: you would say personnel guy doesn't mean he can't do it.

970
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 1: For the record, it's really hard. Drafting is really hard.

971
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: The best whiff I mean, you know the rams of

972
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: whift on second rounders the Niners have. It's hard. So

973
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: there is no there's no exact science to guessing how

974
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: a twenty two year old will work. You, I mean,

975
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: Keon Coleman, Florida to Buffalo, just the weather alone, you know,

976
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: it's like, wow, that's a different probably never been to

977
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: Buffalo before, right, like a lot of these kids. But

978
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: what is the sense Is it fair to say, since

979
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: Josh Allen fifty five draft picks two Pro bowlers, is

980
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: it fair? Is that a fair criticism that he has

981
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: struggled in the draft, or do you see personnel as

982
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: he's been reasonably solid like most gms hit some missiles.

983
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 4: You know what, that's a great question because I think

984
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 4: everybody's asking that same exact question right now, because who's

985
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 4: that faultier, right? Is it the head coach or the

986
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 4: GM for why this team forget winning a.

987
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 3: Super Bowl hasn't gotten to his Super Bowl? Right now?

988
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 4: No head coach has won more playoff games without a

989
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 4: super Bowl appearance than Sean McDermott eight. No quarterback has

990
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 4: won more playoff games without a super Bowl appearance than

991
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 4: Josh Allen eight.

992
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 3: So, like, who's that faultier?

993
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 4: People that I talked to around the league, they believe

994
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 4: this has been a championship roster the year in a

995
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 4: year out that.

996
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 3: They should have one in twenty twenty one.

997
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 4: Thirteen seconds And we can get into that because I

998
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 4: really do believe that was the moment that probably broke

999
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 4: the psychology of the Buffalo Bills under Sean McDermott. Yeah,

1000
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 4: And I mean, you've got seasons other than that you

1001
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 4: can point to and say that they had enough talent

1002
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 4: to win it all. And I think, look, Brandon Bean

1003
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 4: was the driving force behind the move up the draft

1004
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 4: board for Josh Allen, So Terry Pogula remembers that, and

1005
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 4: then if you fast forward to this year, you've got

1006
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 4: the rating MVP.

1007
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 3: You've got the NFL's leading rusher and James Cook.

1008
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 4: You've got a top five offensive line and the defense. Right,

1009
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 4: you've got a defensive minded head coach and Sean McDermott.

1010
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 4: And you look at these playoff losses and the last

1011
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 4: six playoff losses, and we could really kind of point

1012
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 4: to that as when the Bills have been legitimate Super

1013
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 4: Bowl contenders, right, because they get the Jacksonville in twenty seventeen,

1014
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 4: they had the drought twenty nineteen, Josh Allen's in a

1015
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 4: year two they lost in the wildcard of the Texans

1016
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 4: in overtime, blew at sixteen to nothing.

1017
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 3: Leave that game.

1018
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 4: But let's look at those six with a defensive minded

1019
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 4: head coach, Colin fifty two non kneel down drives in

1020
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 4: those six games against what you've got three mahomes, one borrow,

1021
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 4: one bow knicks.

1022
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 3: Okay, fifty two to nine meal down drives.

1023
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 4: They've allowed twenty five touchdowns, thirteen field goals, forced only

1024
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 4: twelve punts.

1025
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 3: There's one missed field goal in there.

1026
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 4: They've created three turnovers, allowing one hundred and ninety nine points.

1027
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 4: That's three point eighty three points per drive. I believe

1028
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 4: that's more than the two thousand and seven Patriots average

1029
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 4: per drive with a defensive minded head coach. So Brandon

1030
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 4: Bean's thinking, Okay, it was defense again in the AFC

1031
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 4: Championship game last year, Right, Josh Allen did enough. The

1032
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 4: Bills offense did enough at Arrowhead, and a Chiefs offense

1033
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 4: that was average to above average the last season and

1034
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 4: a half hung thirty two on you. So he goes

1035
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 4: out and signs Bosa, Lario, Goojobi, Michael Hoyt and drafts

1036
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 4: five defensive players in a row, like, here's more options

1037
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 4: for you, Sean McDermott.

1038
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 3: Let's get a stop, right, Let's let's get one stop.

1039
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 3: You get to Denver.

1040
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 4: Yes, Josh Allen had four turtle the crazy play at

1041
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 4: the end of the half and he's hit for the

1042
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 4: blind side, but yes, he had four turnovers. Even then,

1043
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 4: they almost became the second road playoff team ever to overcome.

1044
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 3: A minus three tourner over differential to win. I think

1045
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 3: it was one.

1046
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 4: They were one in eighty five going into this game

1047
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 4: because of Allen, because of the offense, and then two

1048
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 4: minutes left, third and eleven, it looks like Shawn's gonna

1049
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,919
Speaker 4: send the Dogs seven at the line of scrimmage. Here's

1050
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 4: the moment he's finally going to be aggressive and three

1051
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 4: of them back off. Bonick hits Courtland Sutton for a

1052
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,959
Speaker 4: first down. Four plays later, Trenevius Waite gets hurt. He's out.

1053
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 4: Sean Payton smells blood. Dan Jackson ice cold out the sideline.

1054
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 4: You leave him one on one on the outside. What

1055
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 4: do you think Sean Payton's gonna do. He did the

1056
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 4: same thing earlier in the game when Cam Lewis the safety,

1057
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 4: got hurt and Darnault Savage.

1058
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 3: Your fifth or six safeties on the field.

1059
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 4: A bust from Green Bay shouldn't be in that spot,

1060
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 4: but Peyton saw it and he took advantage. So Sean

1061
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 4: McDermott failed to learn his lesson in the game. Look,

1062
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 4: if you've got a defensive mind, a head coach, these

1063
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 4: are the little things you got to do. And I

1064
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 4: think that Terry Pagoula is looking at these moments and

1065
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 4: he's looking at the eyes of his players in the

1066
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 4: locker room. He talked about this today and he sees

1067
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 4: how despondent, how teary eye. Josh Allen Is, Dion Dawkins,

1068
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 4: everybody he's saying, Man, we can't keep doing this year

1069
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 4: to year like this team has planted.

1070
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 3: We got to do something.

1071
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 4: And I get the debate, but he had decided that

1072
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 4: it was Sean mcdermot's fault, not Brandon Bean.

1073
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. I think I think, you know,

1074
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: here's where I'll defend Brandon Bean. I think they're offensive

1075
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: personnels pretty good. They have an excellent slot receiver, maybe

1076
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: not Lad McConkey, but darn good starback, star left tackle,

1077
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 1: great running back on line, more than solid, multiple tight ends,

1078
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: Dawson Knox obviously Dalton kincaid. So in keyon Coleman. I

1079
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: didn't have a problem with a draft pick because I

1080
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 1: saw him in college and I thought he was rangy

1081
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: and tall. Receivers Number one last years number one position,

1082
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: first round bust is wide receiver. He's not the first

1083
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: Belichick couldn't draft one in the first round. Chad Jackson,

1084
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: Nikhil Harry, Nikhil Henry from Arizona State couldn't draft one

1085
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: to save his life. So by the way, Andy Reid, Brute,

1086
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: Brett Veach, great great guys, Sky Moore, Miss Rashee, Rice

1087
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: always in trouble, Xavier Worthy bottom first. Yeah, So like

1088
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 1: I do think Brandon Bean deserves credit for They've done

1089
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: a pretty damn good job on offense, a pretty good group,

1090
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: and I think an offensive coach like Brian Daboll would

1091
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: squeeze even more juice out of that group. So let's

1092
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,720
Speaker 1: pivot to that. Is Dave all the front runner.

1093
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 4: He'll definitely be in the conversation. And I love this.

1094
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 4: I love talking Brian Dable because it is fascinating. He

1095
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 4: was like a father figure for Josh Allen here. They

1096
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 4: were unbelievably close. When I did that three part.

1097
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: Were all over this.

1098
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, we probably talked about it on the Herd then, right,

1099
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 4: I mean we're all The nine to eleven speech that

1100
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 4: mcdermoy that gave that gate got a lot of headlines,

1101
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 4: but really I thought one of the more fascinating nuggets

1102
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 4: was in part three of that series where I had

1103
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 4: heard from veterans on that team and coaches who repeated

1104
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 4: just how close Josh Allen was to Brian Dable on

1105
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 4: the field.

1106
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 3: You know, Josh Allity, he's.

1107
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:24,479
Speaker 4: A farm boy from Fireball California, right, and no star

1108
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 4: recruit had to earn everything. He's okay with a coach

1109
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 4: yelling in his year hole like Brian Dabele would. I

1110
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 4: could picture him on the sideline after an interception in

1111
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 4: year two against the Patriots, Stables losing his mind.

1112
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 3: Alan took the hard coaching did something with it.

1113
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 4: Dabel had such an effect on him as a young player,

1114
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 4: but he got off the field. I mean they were

1115
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 4: hanging out all the time. It was a special relationship.

1116
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 4: So there was one player And I asked, this is

1117
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, like at that point Dables with the

1118
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 4: New York Giants, obviously, like, did the.

1119
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 3: Bills keep the right coach?

1120
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 4: And he paused for quite literally thirteen seconds, ironically enough,

1121
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 4: and she goes, does that answer your question? I mean

1122
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 4: there's people who think that the Bills could have multiple

1123
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 4: super Bowls right now if Dabele and Allen stayed together.

1124
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 4: And look, josh Adlen is gonna be in these interviews

1125
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 4: with the head coaches. And I'm not not Dable. I

1126
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 4: actually caught up with a coach who might be in

1127
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 4: the running for this job recently.

1128
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 3: And he you know, we'll see if he's he's of

1129
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 3: interest too.

1130
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 4: There's gonna be a lot of people that want this

1131
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 4: job when it comes to Dable, though all signs would

1132
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 4: point to him be in the front runner for all

1133
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 4: those reasons. But I also think of this colin Brian

1134
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 4: Brandon Bean is tight with Joe Shane. Joe Shane was

1135
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 4: here in Buffalo, and Joe Shane knows firsthand what went

1136
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 4: down with the Giants, right, he probably knows all the

1137
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 4: good that comes with Dable and maybe some of the

1138
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 4: disorganization behind the scenes that came with Dable. You can

1139
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 4: learn from that stuff, Like I love it when teams

1140
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 4: give a give a head coach a second chance, like

1141
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 4: you should be able to learn from what went wrong.

1142
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 3: So he absolutely could.

1143
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 4: That's what has to kind of parse through and figure

1144
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 4: out what went wrong and would he do better the

1145
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 4: second time around, Because being an NFL head coaches it's

1146
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 4: more than just coaching quarterbacks and having a relationship with

1147
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 4: Josh Hell, which is unbelievably important. There's game management stuff

1148
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 4: which Dable struggled with with the Giants. Obviously, interpersonal relationships

1149
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 4: behind the scenes, right he famously classed with Win Martindale.

1150
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 4: So I think that's the kind of stuff that probably

1151
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 4: they're gonna ask Brian Dable in this interview when they

1152
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 4: have him been.

1153
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: You know, I've defended Brian Dable because coaching in New

1154
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 1: York is hard. Coaching in New York having to take

1155
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman's guide, Daniel Jones and win is hard. The

1156
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: New York media is multifaceted, multi personality, very uber competitive.

1157
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 1: And I said to Day on the Herd, I said,

1158
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: you know, Buffalo is different. I mean, you have real

1159
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: pros in the media. I'm not disparaging anybody now, a

1160
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: lot of good radio TV people up there. Buffalo's always

1161
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: played bigger than it is as a market. Always reminds me.

1162
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: I don't know why I think of this as Salt

1163
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: Lake City media. Buffalo media feel much bigger than they are.

1164
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: A lot of pros. People just want to live in

1165
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City and ski and people love living in

1166
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: Buffalo because it's a wonderful place to live. But I

1167
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: I guess when I look at Brian Dable, who's succeeded

1168
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: in New York, even Conflin at the end struggled. Whereas

1169
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: I really like the ownership of Buffalo, I think Brandon

1170
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: Bean realizes a lot of people have the microscope on

1171
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: him now, and so the Buffalo media and I really respected,

1172
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: this has been hard on Bean, and tomorrow's columns on

1173
00:57:54,760 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: this press conference will be intense. What is the relateationship

1174
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: Pagoula Bean fans media today? Because usually when you get

1175
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: a market the size of Buffalo or Baltimore, the media

1176
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: is not antagonistic. But it does feel like Baltimore Buffalo's

1177
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: media feels almost a responsibility. They know they're in the

1178
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: national spotlight and they've sharpened the saw. It feels like

1179
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: I mean Bean's radio appearance, I think on WGR, I

1180
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: read the columns. I mean, is it as tense as

1181
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: it sounds?

1182
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 4: It was tense today, Colin. There's no way around it.

1183
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 4: They asked I was there. I wasn't able to get

1184
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 4: a question in. It was hard to get a question

1185
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 4: in because it was an opportunity to ask about the

1186
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 4: firing of head coach, which hasn't happened here in Western

1187
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 4: New York in nearly a decade.

1188
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 3: They've been winning division titles.

1189
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 4: Sean McDermott cleaned up the Rex Ryan mess, and it

1190
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 4: was a mess. It was worse than you can imagine.

1191
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 4: He deserves all the credit for that. I mean, I

1192
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 4: think he he's a free agent head coach right now.

1193
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 4: If you wanted to clean up the Cleveland Browns or

1194
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 4: a team like that, he could do it.

1195
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 3: That's what Sean McDermott does really well.

1196
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 4: But yeah, to answer your question, people are ready to

1197
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 4: ask Brandon beat some hard questions. I think it's interesting,

1198
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 4: you know, Sean McDermott really did ingratiate himself to the

1199
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 4: community this past year in a way that he hasn't

1200
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 4: most of his tenure. He has been a little standoffish,

1201
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 4: not doing much media beyond press conferences, kind of you know,

1202
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 4: a little colder, a little more aloof and just.

1203
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 3: Didn't want to play that game really.

1204
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 4: And then recently, even after I did that series, I

1205
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 4: was welcome back in the building. I sat down with

1206
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 4: Sean at the combine, we talked about it, got a credential.

1207
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 4: Next thing, I know, into the playoffs in twenty twenty four,

1208
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 4: I'm in his office. We're talking for an hour about

1209
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 4: his evolution as a coach. I mean, he definitely made

1210
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 4: a concerted effort to get his personality out there. Dan

1211
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 4: Pompey at The Athletic and excellent profile on Sean McDermott recently.

1212
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 3: I think through all that, you.

1213
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 4: Know, there's a story in the Buffalo News where ahead

1214
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 4: of the last game at high Mark Stadium, he's like

1215
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 4: looking around.

1216
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 3: The field and taking it all in.

1217
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 4: And the community kind of felt an attachment to Sean McDermott. Really,

1218
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 4: I mean you can see it, you can feel it.

1219
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:23,439
Speaker 4: Of the same fans who are pissed at this team

1220
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:27,439
Speaker 4: loses every January, they felt a bond to him. And

1221
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 4: I think the majority of fans, at least this season

1222
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 4: kind of pinned a lot of the problems on the

1223
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 4: GM and the wide receiver position, and it has kind

1224
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 4: of rooted in that WGR interview that Brandon Bean did,

1225
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 4: And so in a roundabout way, yeah, like fansy, they

1226
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 4: didn't think that a lot of fans, I don't know

1227
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 4: what the percentage would be didn't think that Sean McDermott

1228
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 4: should have been fired. So when this goes down, I

1229
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 4: think a lot of folks were surprised and wanted answers,

1230
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 4: and the media sought those answers. But here's where I

1231
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 4: here's where I think though. This isn't to blame local media,

1232
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 4: blame fans, and just the theme that I keep coming

1233
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 4: back to Colin is let's not lose the plot here everyone, Right,

1234
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 4: I gave you that stat earlier on this most trite

1235
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 4: move on at this point and that game, that thirteen

1236
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 4: seconds game at Arrowhead. I've been told repeatedly again on Monday,

1237
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 4: when I reached out to people around the team around

1238
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 4: the relationship of McDermott.

1239
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 3: And Bean, that moment had a lot of it did

1240
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 3: a lot of damage. Right.

1241
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 4: I think Richard Sherman would tell you the exact same

1242
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 4: thing about the legion of boom Seahawks when Pete Carroll

1243
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:39,919
Speaker 4: decided to throw the ball at the one yard line.

1244
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 4: That moment kind of broke those Hawks twenty eight to three,

1245
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 4: broke the Atlanta Falcons. Thirteen seconds broke the psychology of

1246
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 4: the Bills. Here's why reported all of it. And it's funny,

1247
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 4: I mean, to my knowledge, Sean mcderm has been peppered

1248
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 4: with these thirteen second questions. But I've reached out to coaches,

1249
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 4: I've reached out to play He overruled a special teams coordinator,

1250
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 4: Heath Farewell, who wanted his squipkick. McDermott said, touchback. That

1251
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 4: allows for those two plays to happen over the full

1252
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 4: thirteen seconds, and what happens before those plays he calls

1253
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 4: a timeout. They call it kodek, a chance to kind

1254
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 4: of see what the Chiefs are doing.

1255
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 3: And line up accordingly.

1256
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 4: The dbs are in another zip code. It's easy, easy

1257
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 4: work for mahomes. In that moment, McDermott I was told

1258
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 4: overruled Leslie Frazier's defensive coordinator.

1259
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 3: He's doing the defensive play calling. They give up the

1260
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 3: field goal, they.

1261
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 4: Get into overtime, they get rolled over, they get inside

1262
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 4: the locker room, and I had a coach tell me

1263
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 4: that even in that moment, Sean McDermott said something like

1264
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 4: why the offense left too much time on the field, like.

1265
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 3: What thirteen seconds? And then the next day.

1266
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 4: Is kind of looking at his assistant coaches and saying,

1267
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 4: you guys need to figure out what went wrong here.

1268
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 3: You need to figure it out. And that was it.

1269
01:02:58,400 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 3: End of the off season.

1270
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 4: So does this like really traumatic by football standards moment happen.

1271
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 4: There's really no ownership, there's really no accountability in that moment,

1272
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 4: and it really did linger into twenty two, twenty three,

1273
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 4: twenty four to the point where people in all departments

1274
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 4: are saying like that that has kind of been a

1275
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 4: dark cloud over this team.

1276
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 3: To where and look the time.

1277
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 4: It's kind of always been awkward if Terry Pagool and

1278
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 4: the Bills want at the fire mcdermoty because in twenty

1279
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 4: twenty two, Sean McDermott probably is his best coaching job ever.

1280
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 3: A player nearly dies.

1281
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 4: On a football field tomorrow, Hambler comes back to life,

1282
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 4: and you've got to somehow get your team ready to

1283
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 4: play a football game the following week.

1284
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 3: Unbelievable job by McDermott.

1285
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 4: Yes, they get smashed by the Bengals in the playoffs,

1286
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 4: but it's not like Pagool.

1287
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 3: Is going to fire him after all that.

1288
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty three, I write that three part series when

1289
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 4: they're six and six, they win six games in a row.

1290
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 4: They're a missed field go away from getting to the

1291
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 4: AMC Championship game. It can't really fire him after that.

1292
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,479
Speaker 4: And then twenty twenty four you're in the AFC Championship game.

1293
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 4: That fourth and five prayer from Allen, you know, he

1294
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 4: escapes all that rush, gets into Dalton Kad just misses it.

1295
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 4: They don't fire him after that, when in retrospect, maybe

1296
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 4: you should have vrabeled Ben Johnson, the and Cohen are available.

1297
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 3: But in a round about way. I understand.

1298
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 4: Look, I think that that can't has kind of hovered

1299
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 4: over the team in a way that isn't really understood

1300
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 4: by the fans, the majority of the fans who I

1301
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 4: feel this connection with Sean McDermott internally.

1302
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 3: I'm telling you it's real.

1303
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 4: And if the Bills could do it all over again,

1304
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 4: I think they would think long and hard about doing

1305
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 4: the Doug Collins to Phil Jackson. Think at that point

1306
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 4: right where it would have been hard to the Bills

1307
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 4: were still on the rise. But if you could rewrite history,

1308
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 4: I mean that would have been a moment to move

1309
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 4: on to a new coach, write then upgrade while you're

1310
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 4: on the rise.

1311
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 3: After thirteen seconds.

1312
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: We've covered a lot of ground with Buffalo. I can't

1313
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: bring you on and not talk Packers because that's what

1314
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 1: we were first introduced to. You pick really fascinating franchises. So

1315
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: I defended Matt Lafleur and Brian Gooden Kootz, but mostly

1316
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur because he's won sixty six percent of his games.

1317
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: I also think the NFC over the last two to

1318
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: three years has really improved. It's superior to the AFC,

1319
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: and I also think Aaron Rodgers at the end was difficult.

1320
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: He had one or two really, Aaron was really happy

1321
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: to see him. McCarthy and Aaron had regressed as a

1322
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: relationship clearly eroded. He put his arms around the young,

1323
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: good looking guy, just like Aaron. Generationally they were in

1324
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: line kind of good looking, young, you know, successful guys.

1325
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: But at the end, I think we know that Aaron

1326
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: aged pretty quickly. Like unlike Brady, he was not obsessed

1327
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: in the off season. You know, He's took his off

1328
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: seasons to do his thing, and Aaron's aged more quickly,

1329
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: so he didn't get really great. Aaron for quite the

1330
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: runway we thought the love. I thought he did a

1331
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: tremendous job with him and Malik Willis in multiple opportunities

1332
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: when I mean, they got him into camp late and

1333
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: a month later he's playing and they're winning. So I

1334
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: just think he's a winning coach. I think it's the

1335
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: NFC's gotten better his division. You know, Detroit arguably best roster,

1336
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell one of the sharpest guys in the league,

1337
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: and now the Bears have Ben and calem It's a

1338
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: really tough division with a lot of smart guys in it.

1339
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: So but but do you think when the stories came

1340
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: out and I tended when I see a story proclaiming

1341
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: a big possible change, Okay who wrote it? Did you

1342
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: do you believe they sat down in that organization forty

1343
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 1: eight hours and thought about moving off Matt Lafleur.

1344
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 3: It had to have been a thought.

1345
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 4: If you're at policy, you know this is your opportunity

1346
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,919
Speaker 4: to put your imprint on the team. I mean, he's

1347
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 4: the CEO, he's the president. We know the fans owned

1348
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 4: the team, but he is the one in charge. It's

1349
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 4: kind of a perfect situation when you when you take

1350
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 4: over a team where you've got a head coach in

1351
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 4: a GM entering the final year of their deal. So

1352
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 4: you decide right then either you give them the extensions

1353
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 4: or you move off them. I mean, they didn't want

1354
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 4: to be lame ducks. Nobody wants that situation. So I

1355
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 4: think it was probably a thought. How could it not

1356
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 4: be after that choke job as Soldier field And it wasn't.

1357
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 4: It wasn't the first and to be up, but it could.

1358
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 4: It could have been twenty four to three at half

1359
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 4: with the field goal. Hell, Jordan Love almost hitting Christian

1360
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 4: Watson on a touchdown. It could have been twenty eight

1361
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 4: to three at that a half, and that's kind of

1362
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 4: a forgotten play. But yes, it's twenty one to three

1363
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 4: to have those four to three and outs, to have

1364
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 4: no answers as an offensive coach, and you could just

1365
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 4: you could just feel.

1366
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 3: It, you know.

1367
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 4: Especially it was interesting Colin spending a week around the

1368
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 4: New England Patriots out of that game and hearing from

1369
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 4: Mike Vrabel and these players and how they strained through

1370
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 4: the play, how they worked through the play.

1371
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 3: The longevitabili never wit, the.

1372
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 4: Relentless and that is just created by Mike Rabel as

1373
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 4: far back as the spring.

1374
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 3: It is very culture driven.

1375
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 4: When he's telling guys, pick up your dirty wash claus

1376
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 4: in the shower. He instructed the equipment staff if you

1377
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 4: see dirty washcloths on the shower floor, just wring them.

1378
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 3: Out and don't wash them like little things like that.

1379
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 4: All the way to the defense, he installs x's and

1380
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 4: odes wise has a purpose and then to hear Matt

1381
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 4: Laflour talk about how they need to strain through the

1382
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 4: plane the play more after the latest collapse, I don't know, man.

1383
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 3: Like that speaks to the DNA of a team. He's

1384
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 3: been there a while.

1385
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 4: There's been a lot of late game collapses, not all

1386
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 4: the way back to Aaron Rodgers.

1387
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: So let me throw something at you. When when he

1388
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: was hired, I was told, I've said this on the

1389
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:57,440
Speaker 1: air when McVey, Shanahan, and Matt Lafleur were together. McVeigh

1390
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:01,759
Speaker 1: was the culture guy, Shanahan was the scheme guy. Lafleur

1391
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 1: was the nice guy when he was in When he

1392
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: was in Tennessee and went to Green Bay, I was

1393
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 1: told by somebody that was very close to the situation

1394
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: that he didn't think he was necessarily a great culture guy.

1395
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 1: He thought he was a good guy, a smart guy,

1396
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 1: knew as shit, but again not necessarily didn't didn't know

1397
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 1: if he could build his tough, relentless culture. I've said

1398
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 1: this about Lincoln Riley. I know he's smart. USC leads

1399
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 1: the nation in offense regularly. I know he knows the

1400
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 1: side of the ball. I know he's smart. I've compared

1401
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley and Matt Lafleur. I know they're good, and

1402
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 1: I know they're smart, and they know quarterbacks on offense.

1403
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if either's a great culture creator. Ben

1404
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 1: Johnson did it in a six weeks. I mean they

1405
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 1: were they were a better football team in six weeks.

1406
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 1: They literally eliminated negative plays in sacks. In the first

1407
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 1: two weeks, they weren't gone out of the program. So

1408
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 1: my thing is, when I watched Dan Campbell's culture bite,

1409
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 1: knee caps, tough, physical, I can see it. Vrabel clean

1410
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 1: it up, no penalties top I can see it. Ben

1411
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 1: Johnson with Caleb in the offense, I can see it.

1412
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: I can't with the floor. I see smart. I said,

1413
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 1: good with quarterbacks. I see you know, good guy, liked

1414
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 1: by a lot of people. I don't see a great culture.

1415
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:36,640
Speaker 1: Is it fair for me to say that?

1416
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:40,679
Speaker 4: I agree percent, And I'm not just blowing smoke.

1417
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 3: Colin. I think he just nailed it.

1418
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 4: That's exactly what I hear about Matt Lafleur, what we

1419
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 4: see about our own eyes when we watch the Green

1420
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 4: Bay Packers looking five of their nine losses, they led

1421
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 4: by nine plus points.

1422
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 3: Three times they lost.

1423
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,759
Speaker 4: When they didn't even punt. Like, if that's not coaching,

1424
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 4: I don't know what is.

1425
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 3: It's wow. It's incredible what.

1426
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 4: He did with Aaron Rodgers after a really messy breakup

1427
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 4: with Mike McCarthy.

1428
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:07,759
Speaker 3: Now you're coming in with your offense.

1429
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 4: If you got to blend it with Aaron Rodgers wanting

1430
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 4: to do whatever the hell he wants to do with

1431
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage.

1432
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 3: Somehow they made it work to the point of.

1433
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 4: What getting MVP awards, getting to Divisional in conference playoff games.

1434
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 3: We know.

1435
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: I know he's good with quarterbacks. I watched him with Malik,

1436
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 1: I watched him with Jordan, I watched them with Aaron.

1437
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: It's like Lincoln Riley. I don't doubt that part the mvpiecet.

1438
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 1: I don't doubt it. This is about culture, right, and

1439
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 1: that's what I wonder about.

1440
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 3: I'm right there with you. It's totally about culture. What

1441
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 3: he did with Jordan Love.

1442
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 4: How I remember doing this podcast after that brutal Raiders game.

1443
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 3: It was awful and we're all wonder where is Jordan

1444
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 3: Love gonna go from here?

1445
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 4: He developed those three years behind the scenes, and that

1446
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 4: three years as a starter. He is, in my opinion,

1447
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 4: a top ten, maybe a top five quarterback. But you're

1448
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 4: you shouldn't lose a game when your quarterback throws for

1449
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 4: what three hundred plus yards for sounds of no picks

1450
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 4: on the road, And look, we can pick plays all

1451
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 4: day long. If if Micah Parsons is on the field,

1452
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 4: he probably creates a big play that wins you that playoff. Right,

1453
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 4: if Romeo Dobbs recovers an on side kick, you win

1454
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 4: that game.

1455
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 3: But when it happens repeatedly.

1456
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 4: Go back to the Cleveland Browns game, they blow at

1457
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 4: ten nothing lead to the freaking Browns with a few

1458
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:22,719
Speaker 4: minutes left.

1459
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 3: That is culture. And a player tell me that he

1460
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 3: could see and feel.

1461
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:32,639
Speaker 4: Matt Lafleor freeze up in his words, in big moments.

1462
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 4: It's kind of like there's a little there's a little

1463
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,639
Speaker 4: bit of a tenseness, a little bit of a panic

1464
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 4: in some of these moments. Look, I think you can grow,

1465
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 4: you can evolve. Maybe he can get that out of them.

1466
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 4: That this is last year that the player told me that.

1467
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 4: But you watch these games and you see these finishes,

1468
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 4: it makes you wonder. Right, That's the big gamble by

1469
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 4: ed policy here is that Matt Lafleur will continue to

1470
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,600
Speaker 4: develop as a coach and with the healthy Mica Parsons,

1471
01:12:58,640 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 4: he can he can figure this out.

1472
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:01,719
Speaker 3: They've got the talent. I don't think talent's a problem.

1473
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:03,719
Speaker 3: I think that's why Brian Gudkins was always safe.

1474
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 4: He's the one that put his career on the line

1475
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 4: for Jordan Love when everybody was calling him nuts, and

1476
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 4: he saw something he believed. He's the one that's drafted

1477
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 4: all these wide receivers. Look, if we want to, Doc

1478
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,640
Speaker 4: Brandon Bean probably could take a page out of that

1479
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 4: Gutigin's playbook. Just draft receivers around your quarterback and let

1480
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 4: him develop together.

1481
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 3: He's done that. They made the big.

1482
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 4: Move for Parsons. It's on the floor to figure all

1483
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 4: that other stuff out. And I think it is rooted

1484
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:30,759
Speaker 4: in culture, whatever you want to define it by. There's

1485
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:34,719
Speaker 4: something amiss in Green Bay because look, if the new

1486
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 4: playoff rules weren't in, they're not even making the playoffs

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01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 4: the last three years. They're part of the forty four

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01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,799
Speaker 4: percent club? Is that seventh seed because they added another team?

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01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 3: And what kind of conversation are we having right now

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01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 3: with all that

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Speaker 4: The volume