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Speaker 1: Welcome into North Side Territory, Foul Territory Networks Cubs podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sahad Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. Were your

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Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick, you are

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Speaker 1: back in cold Chicago. I've traded places with you. I'm

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Speaker 1: in the same hotel, not the same hotel that there's

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Speaker 1: a chance.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Out in Arizona, I have not.

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Speaker 1: I literally landed just an hour ago, so I did

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Speaker 1: not get to camp today. But we have some you know,

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Speaker 1: some updates and some news. I guess we haven't recorded

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Speaker 1: since Justin Turner officially signed. So Justin Turner is a Cub.

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Speaker 1: We we had heard some rumblings that this could happen,

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Speaker 1: and it is now official. I believe he met with

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Speaker 1: the media today. And this is a like Council you

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Speaker 1: talked to Council well yesterday the day before about it,

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Speaker 1: and some people in the clubhouse, and it basically sounds

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Speaker 1: like the message coming from the clubhouse is another winner,

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Speaker 1: another veteran added to this group.

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Speaker 3: And that's you know, can't have enough of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt, I think a nice you know, he's

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Speaker 2: obviously not Alex Bregman and he probably won't play much

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Speaker 2: third base right at all. But I think players particularly

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Speaker 2: like this group of Cubs players, as you know, Sahadev are,

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Speaker 2: the group is like follows baseball. And I don't mean

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Speaker 2: that to like sound like stupid, but like there are

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Speaker 2: certain players who really like study the game and study

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Speaker 2: their competitors and like follow how certain players got to

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Speaker 2: that point. And that is the way Cubs players talked

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Speaker 2: about Justin Turner, like this is a guy who was

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Speaker 2: a kind of an early adapter to launch angle and

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Speaker 2: he had been claimed off waivers, he had been non tendered,

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Speaker 2: Like he really didn't experience those huge that huge burst

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Speaker 2: Like it took a while for him to get to

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Speaker 2: that point. And then obviously anyone who's watched the playoffs

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Speaker 2: over like basically a decade, uh, you know, saw him

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Speaker 2: I think is like postseason ops and his career ops

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Speaker 2: you know, Ian Hap, Dansby Swanson, Nico Horner, like it's

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Speaker 2: not just the Matt Shaw's or the young kids they

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Speaker 2: have coming. Like have was talking about, like this guy

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Speaker 2: the same thing of like, Okay, how do you slow

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Speaker 2: the game down? What are you looking for? How do

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Speaker 2: you stay in great shape to allow yourself to play

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Speaker 2: but oh, the guy played really well last year and

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Speaker 2: the year before that he was even better. And I

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Speaker 2: mean you can kind of speak to this like Cubs

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Speaker 2: And I think you can see Greig Council like kind

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean that's kind of council strength, right, using

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Speaker 1: his full roster, knowing when to use them, how to

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Speaker 3: This is like what you said about his playoff career.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at it now, like I think people need

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Speaker 1: to understand this, like if you have better, he has

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Speaker 1: better numbers for his UH playoff career than he does

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Speaker 1: for his overall career. By way to run his creat

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Speaker 3: I think, what did they just see.

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Speaker 2: More than like more than half the season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that's remember like people need to remember. When

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Speaker 1: you're in the playoffs, you're facing the best of the best.

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Speaker 1: Like numbers almost always go down. You're facing the best

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Speaker 1: don't do that. They don't put their bad relievers out

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Speaker 1: there in any playoff games unless you're getting your butt

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Speaker 3: Something like that.

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Speaker 1: He's he's beating up on good pitching. That means in

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Speaker 3: A little you know, gravitas to the clubhouse.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna like and and when you talk about the

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Speaker 1: This is a trusted veteran that you're going to be

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Speaker 1: Turner doesn't have like bad splits like he can hit lefties,

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Speaker 1: mixing and matching, I think, And and it just makes

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Speaker 3: You're a deeper team. Uh.

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Speaker 1: If there's an injury to a corner outfielder, if there's

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Speaker 3: My guess is it.

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Speaker 1: And you could probably speak to this better than I can,

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Speaker 1: But when it comes to third base, my guess is

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Speaker 1: He's he's star like ten games in a row if

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Speaker 2: I think he could stand over there. They did not

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Speaker 2: the way it was put to me. I haven't asked

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Speaker 2: Like it's kind of the reverse hobby like in twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 2: I don't think playing third base every day is like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty three innings at third last year, fifty seven

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Speaker 2: Think you can totally see, though I can't. You like

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Speaker 2: envision the you know, Turner coming up to bad and

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Speaker 1: So before we move on, like you talked about how

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Speaker 1: to add him. They dfa Alexander Canario. We never really

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Speaker 1: My assumption is they'll try and trade him over the

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Speaker 1: doll Bruhan Like that's one thing about that is like

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Speaker 3: They they want players that can play defense.

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Speaker 1: If he's not like a lock to hit, like this guy,

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Speaker 1: He's like, he's not a very good defensive player right now.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he gets better, maybe maybe he'll prove everyone wrong.

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Speaker 1: And he's and he's perfectly fine in a corner they need,

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Speaker 1: they need Council plays defense, right Like, It's kind of

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Speaker 3: We'll see how prepared.

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Speaker 1: They are, what they can do against you know, far

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Speaker 2: The name.

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Speaker 3: About what I.

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