1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hartunger. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode two hundred and fifty six, 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: which is first airing in late June of twenty twenty two. 12 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: We are going to be interviewing Jenny Eversol and Rebecca 13 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: Kirkwood from style Space, which is a virtual styling company. 14 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: They can help you figure out makeup, accessories, various other things. 15 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: That's what we did. We both did sessions with them. 16 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: I learned about makeup with Rebecca. Sarah did accessories. So 17 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,319 Speaker 1: we'll be really excited to talk with them and get 18 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: some great tips about how everyone can indulge in these 19 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: fun things. Because Sarah, you love these sort of superficial 20 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: episode topics, right, I do enjoy them. I enjoy listening 21 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: to them. When other podcasts have these kinds of things 22 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: as topics, and I enjoy creating them and the feedback 23 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: we get from our listeners. I always, you know, kind 24 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: of have this self conscious feeling like, oh, is this 25 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: too frivolous of a topic, Like it's not serious enough. 26 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: But honestly, like, I think it's something that can be 27 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: enjoyable to some people. It is to me. I feel 28 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: like I like having some control over how I put 29 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: myself out in the world, and part of that is 30 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,919 Speaker 1: choosing how to dress and maybe which kind of makeup. 31 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: And I guess I don't see any downside in that, 32 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: although I think it's also totally fine if you don't 33 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: enjoy those things to completely forego them. So you do you. Yeah, 34 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: it's funny. I've been thinking about this with our longtime listeners. Know. 35 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: I am doing this Shakespeare reading project this year. I'm 36 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: reading through all the works of Shakespeare, and last month 37 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: I read through all his sonnets. And if anyone has 38 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: had to read his sonnets in your college English class 39 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: or what have you, you know that he has a 40 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: real be in his bonnet about cosmetics for unknown reasons. 41 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a man who made his living 42 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: in the theater, where there was all sorts of falseness 43 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: in how one portrays oneself, but that was his particular 44 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: bugaboo with some of these sonnets complaining about how people 45 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: had painted themselves and such. You know, I've never been 46 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: a big makeup person. It's been interesting. I up pondered 47 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: it because I feel like, well, I can learn other skills, 48 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: like I just didn't bother to ever sort of figure 49 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: out makeup, just kind of bought what's at the drug 50 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: store what I think would work, which you know, probably 51 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: similarly with clothes. It's never been an area that I've 52 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: cared that much about. But I know that there's definitely 53 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: something to be said for how you present yourself to 54 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: the world, and certainly looking nice allow other people to 55 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: maybe interact with you a little bit differently than they 56 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: might have. And I've become certainly more aware of that 57 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: getting older a little bit harder to be effortlessly beautiful. Yes, 58 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: got to get older. The age thing definitely comes into 59 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: play because I was thinking about this and I really 60 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: didn't consistently wear makeup until my late thirties. And I 61 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: remember when I was coming back to work after having Genevieve, 62 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: I was like, I need something just because I just 63 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: didn't feel you know, you have that postpartum feeling, you 64 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: just don't feel like yourself or you just don't necessarily 65 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: feel that attractive. And so my treat to myself was 66 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: to go to the North Strium beauty counter and just 67 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: let somebody like have at it with me. And I 68 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: ended up with a bunch of not a bunch, but 69 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: like several products from a couple of brands, and then 70 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: I've just kind of kept that look ever since. And 71 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: now it does feel a little bit weird to leave 72 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: the house without at least some like, you know, tinted moisturizers, 73 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: sunscreen type product, and mascara at the very minimum. And 74 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: I do think there's a little age relatedness to that, 75 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: because I don't think I felt particularly unadorned or bare 76 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: face when I was thirty, but hey, yeah, although the 77 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: key thing still is that it needs to be a 78 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: very short regimen. I'm not going to spend a ton 79 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: of time on it. And it's always one of the 80 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: things that sort of has annoyed me, like whenever I 81 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: do television or something that's filmed and you have to 82 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: do makeup and it takes like thirty minutes to get 83 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: it on. I mean, I get it. I know that 84 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: they have to do a lot of it for the 85 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: camera lights and stuff, but it's like, oh my god, 86 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: you're just sitting in this fair and I think makeup 87 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,679 Speaker 1: is one of those eighty twenty things, like twenty percent 88 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: of the work gets you eighty percent of the way there, 89 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: or in my case, maybe like ten percent. Like, yeah, 90 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: I think doing something is so much better, at least 91 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: for me than doing nothing. I know it's not the 92 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: one hundred percent I could get by sitting in a 93 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: chair with a makeup artist for thirty minutes or something 94 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: like that, but like it's actually it's not like it's 95 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: ten percent as good. It's actually closer to the optimal 96 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: than you would think. No, that's true, and certainly television. 97 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: I mean I've always laughed about it, like if I've 98 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: been on a morning show and had my makeup done 99 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: and then I have to take the train back to 100 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: Philly or something after it and looking like I was 101 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,679 Speaker 1: just out. You know, it's as bad as Shakespeare probably 102 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: thought it was the amount of makeup all over my 103 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: face being on the train at like ten in the morning, 104 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: so have had a few particular moments of that. How 105 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: about clothing, you are, I mean he did this session 106 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: on accessories, which what do you mean by accessories? By 107 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: the way, Yeah, well, I will say we got a 108 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: little bit more into basics related to clothing as well. 109 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: I didn't want to focus on clothing specifically because I 110 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: had actually already worked with Lannie and Linder from Real Lifestyle, 111 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,799 Speaker 1: who's like a you know, a private stylist who works 112 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: with clients on the kind of a more one on 113 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: one way, and I didn't need as much help in 114 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: that department. But accessories is where I have definitely like 115 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: I need I need help. I don't have good jewelry 116 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: or I don't know, I just never I always feel 117 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: like I'm missing like one piece or something like that. 118 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: And the person I worked with was amazing. She was 119 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: just really she had a lot of like generalities to share, 120 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: like okay, when you're petite, like choose this over this, 121 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: or like think about this color family and that kind 122 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: of thing. So it wasn't necessarily focusing on like where 123 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: this exact kind of necklace, although we did get into 124 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: some of that, but the kind of more general concept 125 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 1: stuff was really really helpful and fun. Yeah, I've done 126 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: some clothes styling stuff. I wrote about it in one 127 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty eight hours. I definitely recommend if you 128 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: are ever aiming to spend a larger amount of money 129 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: on clothes for some reason. Maybe it's you know, either 130 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: your body shape has changed for some reason, or you're 131 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: starting a different sort of job, or move to an 132 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: entirely different climate, or whatever it is that might necessitate 133 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: a wardrobe refresh. It's just going to be more efficient 134 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: to have somebody tell you the right stuff to buy, 135 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: as opposed to you know, you not knowing, for instance, 136 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: and maybe spending money on things that you don't really 137 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: wind up wearing. Yeah, I mean, in my experience, not 138 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: just more efficient, But I have to say that expertise 139 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: means that most of the pieces that I worked with 140 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: with Lannie are things that are really really lasting, like 141 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: that I will likely keep for years and years and years. 142 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: And I don't necessarily have such good luck on my own. 143 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: I don't think such a high ratio of things I 144 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: have chosen on my own have ended up being pieces 145 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: that I've worn over and over again. So, I mean, 146 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: I know it's a little questionable to say that, like 147 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: spending out on someone who's going to help you, spend 148 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: lots of money on clothes saves money, but honestly, in 149 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: the long run, it may at least pay for itself. Yeah, definitely. Well, 150 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: let's learn some more. We're going to answer some great 151 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: questions that people have sent in as well about makeup 152 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: in this next session. So looking forward to hearing from 153 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: Jenny and Rebecca. Well, Sarah and I are delighted to 154 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: welcome Jenny and Rebecca to the program. We'll start by 155 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: having you guys introduce yourself. Jenny, can you start? Yeah, So, 156 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: my name is Jenny Eversol, and I'm the founder of 157 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: style Space, which, as Laura and Sarah mentioned already, it's 158 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,239 Speaker 1: a virtual styling platform where you can connect and get 159 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: expert style coaching from hair, clothing, and makeup stylists. And 160 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: I founded this company about two years ago from an 161 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: idea that I had as a fashion designer, and we 162 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: basically wanted to bring something to everyday women who struggled 163 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: with style challenges like myself. That's awesome, and Rebecca, can 164 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: you introduce yourself as well? Hi, thank you, it's so 165 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: great to be here. I am Rebecca Kirkwood. I am 166 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: a clean makeup artist and an instructor, and I specialize 167 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: in natural looks and clean, non toxic beauty and stinkcare, 168 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: and I am one of the clean makeup artists working 169 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: with stock Space. Rebecca, since I did a session with you, 170 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: maybe you can talk about what goes on in a 171 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: virtual session. I mean, for anyone who's not done this 172 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: sort of thing before, how does it work to do 173 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: a virtual makeup session? Sure? I know it's really fun 174 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: to do virtual sessions. We come on and take a 175 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: look at your products. So if we're doing a makeup 176 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: bag makeover, we'll look at your products virtually. You'll hold 177 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: them up. I might have you sample some of it 178 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: on your skin so I can see you. A big 179 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: part of it also is, of course, making sure I 180 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: can see you, so I'll make sure you're set up 181 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: for success with your lighting and your setup in advance. 182 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: And then if we do a makeup lesson together, we 183 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: will take turns back and forth, so I will demonstrate 184 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: how to do a technique on my face, and then 185 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: I'll pause and let you do your turn, and I'll 186 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: give you tips and kind of correct you and talk 187 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: you through it as you go. Yeah, that's what I 188 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 1: did with Rebecca a few weeks ago. If she would demonstrate, 189 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: I would attempt to do it myself. I mean, you know, 190 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: it's for people who've ever had makeup done. You know, 191 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: obviously the makeup artists would do your makeup, but you 192 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: are learning the technique like sort of see her do it, 193 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: then you do it, And so the idea is you're 194 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:16,079 Speaker 1: learning the skills at the same time, right exactly. Yeah, well, 195 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: let's talk about some of those skills, Rebecca, because I mean, 196 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 1: I'm very curious what you see people do wrong all 197 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: the time. I'm sure as a makeup artist you were 198 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: walking around constantly like I can't believe they're doing that. 199 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: What are there some of the biggest mistakes you see? Yeah, 200 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: you know, I won't preface it and say, you know, 201 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: makeup is there's no like hard fast rules with makeup, right, 202 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: and we can show our creativity through makeup. And I 203 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: love that. So I have like my signature style and 204 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: what I think looks really beautiful on people. But that's 205 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: not you know, necessarily to say that everybody's makeup isn't 206 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: what they had intended it to look like. Right that 207 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: being said, I do think there are some sort of 208 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: basic makeup quote mistakes that I see that are things 209 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: we can could, you know, work on all. So for example, 210 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: just using way too much makeup. It's so simple, but 211 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: sometimes that's sort of the easiest thing to correct. People 212 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: will ask things like, oh, my skin is caking or 213 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: pooling or creasing, or my foundation doesn't look right and 214 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: my concealer doesn't look right. And when I ask them 215 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: to show me what they use or how they do it, 216 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: immediately I can tell them, well, you're using like twice 217 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: or three times as much product as you really need 218 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: to be using, and that's why it's just not working. 219 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: So I would suggest to everybody is just like, pull 220 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: back and use less makeup, use thin layers and really 221 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: let your skin shine through and it'll be probably an improvement. 222 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: And some other makeup mistakes using colors and products that 223 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: just aren't right for them. So maybe they know how 224 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: to do their makeup or they love their products, but 225 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: it's just not the right one for them. And I 226 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: think that's a big part of why working with experts 227 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: like the people on style Space for example, can help 228 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: because sometimes that's really hard to figure out, you know, 229 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: what is the right product for you. And generally I 230 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: find maybe the shade is just off, the foundation's shade 231 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: is wrong, or the concealer shade is wrong, the eyeshadows 232 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: just isn't necessarily complementary to the person. And that's something 233 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 1: that you can easily fix, you know, just like you 234 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 1: would when you're fixing your styling or anything else. You're 235 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: learning about yourself and figuring out what works for you. 236 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: And then one other mistake I see a lot is 237 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: not using the makeup in the way that it's intended 238 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: to be used. And talk about this a lot as 239 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: makeup artists with contouring. I mean, that's really hot right now. 240 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 1: People are learning how to do their makeup on YouTube 241 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: and Instagram. Right We're all watching I do it myself 242 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: because most of my feet is his makeup, right, So 243 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: I'm scrolling and I'm watching people doing their makeup, and 244 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god. First of all, like I 245 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: said before, using so much makeup, they're covering their whole 246 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: face in it, right, and it's not necessarily what what 247 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: it's intended to do. Right, We're not trying to like 248 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: restructure our entire face with makeup, which is what I'm 249 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: seeing people do, which is really cool, right, Like that 250 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: could be a thing, and some people might want to 251 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: do that, and there might be times and opportunities where 252 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: that's appropriate. But I would say right now, less is 253 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: more with contring. We could talk more about it, but 254 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: I see women walking around with you know, lines and 255 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: stripes all over their face, and I'm like, what are 256 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: you doing to yourself? You're making your life really difficult, 257 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: you know. So, yeah, trends change a lot too change. Well, 258 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: it's funny. I mean it may be fine for, as 259 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: you said, certain circumstances, but I'm not sure your circumstances 260 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: like your Tuesday morning staff meetings, right, yeah, yeah, so 261 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: for you know, just sticking with Rebecca here, for women 262 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: who do have you know, busy lives, mornings are getting 263 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: kids ready for school, they got to get themselves ready 264 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: for work and set what are kind of the you know, 265 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: the minimalist tools you would suggest, you know, our listeners. 266 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: As Sarah and I were discussing earlier, we probably didn't 267 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: wear a whole lot of makeup when we were younger, 268 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: but as we get a little bit older, it may 269 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: be hoove us to have a little bit of help, 270 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: especially as you know, maybe we're not always getting as 271 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: much sleep or as doing and youthful as we used 272 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: to be. But what of the minimalist tools you would 273 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: recommend that women have in their makeuppect, Like, what are 274 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: sort of the basic products we should all have. Yeah, 275 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: that's a great question. So I think there are some 276 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: basics that every person can have, and then you can 277 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: add to it, you know, depending on what you have 278 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: going on. But I would start with your complexion. So 279 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: maybe one complexion product like a tinted moisturizer or a 280 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: tinted facial oil or a foundation, you know, depending on 281 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: what sort of look you want, how much coverage you want, 282 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: So that would be one. And for some people that 283 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: could just be their concealer, you know, so it doesn't 284 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: have you don't have to necessarily have like a whole 285 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: lot of phase coverage. So a concealer, a tinted moisturizer 286 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: or foundation, something for your complexion, and then something to 287 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: help you look more like alive or bright, something to 288 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: bring some life to your face. So that could be 289 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: a blush or a brownser or both. You know, if 290 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: you want to play around the stuff and then helping 291 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: you look more awake. I would say those products would 292 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: be mascara and some sort of a brow product, whether 293 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: that's a brow gel or a brow pencil. But as 294 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: soon as we open up the eyes and add some 295 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: definition to the eyes, it can really transform the whole 296 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: entire face. And I tell people, if you're really really 297 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: low on time, just put some mascara on, maybe brush 298 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: your brows a touch of blush, and you can use 299 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: that same blush on your lips if it's a cream product, 300 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: and you can really do a whole face of makeup 301 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: in five minutes or so. If that's all you have, awesome. 302 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: Well we are going to take a quick ad break 303 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: and we will be back with Rebecca Kirkwood and Jenny 304 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: Eversol with style Space. So we are back talking with 305 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: Rebecca Kirkwood and Jenny Eversol from style Space, which is 306 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: virtual styling service. Sarah and I both did sessions with 307 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: them learning about various things. We're starting with Rebecca right now, 308 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: just talking about makeup. That's what I did with her. 309 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: And I find it interesting that you just said, you 310 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: know you want to look awake, you put on mass 311 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: era and a brow thing. Because I think a lot 312 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: of us when we think, oh well I look asleep 313 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: because I have Dirk circles under my eyes, the first 314 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: thing we think about is I should like cake on, 315 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: like the foundation under my eyes. So maybe you need 316 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: to repeat that for the folks listening here. Now, do 317 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: you really look awake getting sort of not getting rid 318 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: of but or at least taking attention away from circles 319 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: under the eyes. Yeah. Absolutely. I do think a big 320 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: part of makeup and why it's so great is that 321 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: it can distract people, you know, and you have control 322 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 1: over what you want people to look at. So, especially 323 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: for women over forty, I say, don't worry about piling 324 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: on a lot of coverage necessarily, although I do think 325 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: a little bit of a concealer under the eye goes 326 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: a long way. But if you put some black mescera 327 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: on and put a little definition on your brow, your 328 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: eye area gets lifted. People are looking at you in 329 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: the eyes when they're talking to you, you know, when 330 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: you're meeting somebody on the street or at work. That's 331 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: what they're looking at. They're not looking at your dark circles. 332 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: They're you know, looking at the definition around your eye. 333 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: Really similar to if you have like a really nice 334 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: photo or picture, putting a black frame around that all 335 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: of a sudden, it makes the picture look so much better. Right, 336 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: I have a makeup related question. Obviously there are all 337 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: different skin tones and skin types and all those kinds 338 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: of things, but you definitely do some specific product racks. 339 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: I know you had fun doing that with Laura and 340 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: she had fun shopping. Do you have any magical products 341 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: out there that you feel like benefit like ninety five 342 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: percent of the people who try them, like some wonders 343 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: that tend to kind of work for everyone in building 344 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: that streamlined routine. Yeah, there are some great products out there. 345 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: I think having a multi use product is something that 346 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: everybody can have and make use out of. So for example, 347 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: that could be something like a multi stick by Ilia. 348 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: They make a really great cream product. It could be 349 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: used on the cheeks, it can be used on the eyes, 350 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: it can be used on the lips. So I love 351 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: that because you can even toss it in your bag 352 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: and literally do your makeup in the car if you 353 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: have to or when you're traveling, which is really awesome. 354 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: Another brand, Beauty Counter, makes a really lovely cream blush 355 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: that comes in a little compact, which is really great 356 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: for travel, and it has a mirror built into it, 357 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: so I think that that's really handy because we're not 358 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: often traveling or going to work with a mirror. And 359 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: then Cosss makes some really lovely brow products, both a 360 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: brow pencil and a brow gel that are really universal. 361 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: The brow gel can be invisible like a shade that's clear, 362 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: so you don't even have to worry about color matching. 363 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: You can just brush your brows similar to as if 364 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: you were, you know, putting hairspray in your hair. You 365 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about the shade. You're just putting 366 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: the brows in its place and making your face look 367 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: a little bit more defined. Yes, I will say that 368 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: I had no idea that that was a thing that 369 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: you could sort of put stuff on your brows, or 370 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: should I guess for that matter. I mean, I've seen 371 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: some people do brows really badly over the years, like 372 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: you know, it looks like, you know, you light coloring 373 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: and you have like a huge dark streak across your 374 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: face and your eyebrows, and so I sort of assumed 375 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: that that was what the products were, but it turns 376 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: out no, that's not Yep, you can do it differently. Yeah, 377 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: And I think we have a sort of question from 378 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: listeners about you mentioned as we get older, we might 379 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: want to have a little bit of foundation on a 380 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: little bit of coverage. Way to think about finding one 381 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: that matches because of course, you know, people have a 382 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: million different skin tones and there are a lot of 383 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: different products out there, and thankfully more than there used 384 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: to be. I mean, it used to be like you 385 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: were white or you weren't right, you know, but now 386 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: there's a lot more, which is great, but it also 387 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: makes it even sort of more challenging to figure out 388 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: what's quite match. So how should we think about Yeah, 389 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: this is actually finding foundation and matching concealer is probably 390 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 1: one of the hardest things for my clients that I 391 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: work with. And I would say first, when you're thinking 392 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: about color matching, step back and think about your actual 393 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: physical coloring. So same thing when you're thinking about what 394 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 1: kind of clothes you're wearing, are you cool toned or 395 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: warm toned? Most people fall into one of those categories 396 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: or they're in between, like a neutral. So for example, 397 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: if you know you burn really easily, or you're fairly fair, 398 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: you look really good and silver and light like cool tones, 399 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: blues and things like that. We used to talk about 400 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: coloring like back in the eighties and nineties, like what 401 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: season you are, Like if you're a winter okay, so 402 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: that might be somebody who's cool toned. And if you're 403 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: warm or golden, you might tan more easily. You might 404 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: look really nice in gold or more like jewel tones 405 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: things like that. So you can sort of start there 406 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: and get a sense of like you have to have 407 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: sort of an inner conversation with yourself, like what kind 408 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: of skin tone do I have? You can also look 409 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: at the back of your wrist and look at your 410 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: veins and see like are they really blue and purple 411 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: or is your skin sort of translucent? That might mean 412 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: that you're a little bit more cool toned. I would 413 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 1: say a lot of people fall in that neutral spot. Okay. 414 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: So once you sort of decide what your coloring is, 415 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: if you go to the websites of the brands that 416 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: you're shopping from, these there are tools now. They make 417 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: it so easy, like color maps tools which did not 418 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: exist before. I almost think it's easier to color match 419 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: online than it is in person. These days when you're shopping, 420 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: like in a store, it could be kind of endless, 421 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: you know, options, But online they'll break it down. Are 422 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: you fair, are you light? Are you medium? Are you tan? 423 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: Are you dark? Are you deep? And you can figure 424 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: out by looking at the models. Okay, I have a 425 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: sort of a sense of where I fall in that spectrum, 426 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: and then you look at the descriptions. Are you a 427 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: medium cool? Are you a medium warm? You know, this 428 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: is where you sort of decide at that point where 429 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: you fall in the spectrum. It's not a perfect science, 430 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: but that's where I usually start. And then if you 431 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: are shopping in person, if you're at a store, find 432 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: the category of shade that you're in. Are you light, 433 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: are you medium? Are you tan? Are you dark? And 434 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: then pick the three shades that look closest to what 435 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: you think it is. And then you do a swipe 436 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: down your cheek and down your neck a little bit, 437 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: try and find some natural light if there's a window 438 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 1: in the store, if possible, and just do that little 439 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: stripes down your neck and ideally it will just blend 440 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: and almost disappear into your neck. And that's what we're 441 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: looking for when we want a color match. Excellent advice, 442 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: or you could just get Rebecca to tell you that's 443 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: that's your other option too. Yeah, So, I mean, Jenny, 444 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: I would love to turn with you a little bit here. 445 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: You could talk about, like what are the occasions that 446 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: somebody should seek out a stylist, Like what when would 447 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: you recommend that somebody look into hiring a stylist, or 448 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: like what do people tend to come to you guys for? Yeah, 449 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: So people come to us for any and all occasions, 450 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: whether it's like your every day you're just try to 451 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: curate your wardrobe or your makeup bag or your hair 452 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: product selection. Because majority of people in America, so it's 453 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: the eighty twenty rule, and you wear twenty percent of 454 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: your things eighty percent of the time, and so it 455 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: creates a lot of stress and just overwhelm every morning 456 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: when you could justify your life and get everything in 457 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: your closet, everything in your makeup bag that you love. 458 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: So it could be for every day, it could be 459 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: for special occasion. It could be for you're starting a 460 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: new chapter in your life. You've had transitions in your body. 461 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: I know that we hear this a lot. COVID ten 462 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: you've either lost or gained ten and people uses as 463 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: an opportunity to revamp their style if you're looking for 464 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: a new work wardrobe. A lot of people have shifted 465 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: their working styles from working from home to maybe a 466 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: hybrid schedule, so this is a really great tool to 467 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: help that. And just similar to the way that you 468 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,719 Speaker 1: would work with a mechanic or a plumber, you're wearing 469 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: clothing every single day, You're wearing products on your skin 470 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: and in your hair, and having an expert guide that 471 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: process can save you a lot of time, effort, and money. 472 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: Do you find a lot of people signing up for 473 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:02,959 Speaker 1: services like around certain milestone birthdays example, Yeah, definitely, like 474 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: Mother's Day. We had a lot of bookings for their 475 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: mothers and yeah, birthdays for example, or starting a new 476 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: job and they want to celebrate that milestone and that 477 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: achievement in their career. Yeah. Now, I thought it was 478 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: definitely an interesting experience. I mean just it's funny where 479 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: some makeup for like years, but I haven't really thought 480 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: about much how to do it. And there are like 481 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: those little things about like well what makes you look awake, 482 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: you know, the brows and the mascara versus the stuff 483 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: under the eyes. Necessarily that you probably aren't necessarily thinking about. 484 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, well it's definitely I could. Yeah, I find 485 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: that like these stylists that they've been in the industry 486 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: for decades and they have so much experience and wisdom 487 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: to share with you that like, this is not our 488 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: job to know these things every single day, it's their job, 489 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: and they can prepare the way for you so you 490 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: don't have to spend all that time. I'm endlesslie scrolling 491 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: through YouTube and Instagram though it's fun, but that content 492 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: is met for a mass audience and to meet your 493 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: individual needs. Like, how do you know if you have 494 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 1: hooded eyes, for example, unless someone told you that, And 495 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: there's a lot of you don't know what you don't 496 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: know until you work with a stylist. And yeah, you 497 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: can get amazing results with minimal effort and time. Awesome, 498 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: Although speaking of the whole Instagram and YouTube thing, I 499 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: wonder if either of you have recommendations. We have this 500 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: question from listeners videos people to follow whose content is 501 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: aimed at adult women who are leading the Tuesday staff meeting, 502 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: as opposed to wishing to look like you know somebody 503 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: on the keeping up with the Kardashians or whatever. Are 504 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: there any content producers that you guys really like and 505 00:26:54,920 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: would recommend? I think Ky Washington is a makeup artist. 506 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: She is a makeup artist with me in a clean 507 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: Beauty Artist program. She is incredible, uses clean products and 508 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: it's all very natural looking. But she's a little bit 509 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: more like on the glam side too, which I think 510 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: is fun. And then Kristin Arnette is also a celebrity 511 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: makeup artist, very natural looking, you're not going to get 512 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: major crazy, you know, contouring sort of looks. And also 513 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: Katie Dunno, which is a celebrity makeup artist. She can 514 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: do some really beautiful work, and I think her recommendations 515 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: and tips that she posts on Instagram are very accessible 516 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: for every day awesome Awesome. We may get some of 517 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: those names, so we can share those in this show 518 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: notes as well. Really, Corul, well, we always end with 519 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: a love of the week. So these are the things 520 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: that we are finding really cool, and so Sarah and 521 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: I can go first if you guys want a moment 522 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: or two to think about it. Although we've gotten some 523 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: good productations already, I will start that I really liked 524 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: Rebecca's recommendations of the Alia stuff that I've been using 525 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 1: their foundation and concealer and their multi stick I guess 526 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: as you said, and have found that to be very 527 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: usable and it's very quick to put on. So I'll 528 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: give a shout out to those. So I've enjoyed using that. Well, 529 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: how about you. Mine is a little bit more. I 530 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: actually might have used this as a prior level of 531 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: the week, but I have to give a shout out 532 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: to the Allure Beauty Box. I've been getting this every 533 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: month the last I don't know, six to nine months, 534 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: and you know, other subscription boxes are a sort of 535 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: hit or miss, but in this box, there's usually at 536 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: least one, if not two things that I really really 537 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: like and the box is like twenty five dollars a month. 538 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: And for example, there was this cream. It was by 539 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: a brand called avant Ava and t it's like a 540 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: college and cream. I'm like, this stuff is really nice. 541 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe I'll go buy it. I mean, came 542 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: in this twenty five dollars box and I'm like, oh, well, 543 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: I probably won't buy excess one hundred and twenty dollars 544 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: and that would be a little bit of a I 545 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: mean maybe I will who knows, but like, what an 546 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: amazing value that it came in this twenty five dollars box, 547 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: And I guess that's just a testament to how much 548 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: cosmetics are probably marked up a lot of the time, 549 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: but you just get some really nice deals and honestly, 550 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: like the truth is, it comes every month and there's 551 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: usually something else that I really like. So as long 552 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: as I don't mind bouncing around from brand to brand, 553 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: I feel like it's a great way to try out 554 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: a lot of really nice luxury skincare and a few 555 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: beauty products at a reasonable price. Awesome good endorsement there, Rebecca, 556 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: or well, yeah, Rebecca, why don't you start with yours? Sure? 557 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: So there is one trend on Instagram that's been going 558 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: around the last few weeks where people place their makeup 559 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: products on their face at the same time. So they'll 560 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: put bronzer and blush on and maybe a highlighter on 561 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: their face all at once, and then you blend it. 562 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: So I have been playing around with this and it's cool. 563 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: I think it is a little bit of a time 564 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: saver since you're only blending once, but it works really 565 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: well if you're using cream products. So I'm applying my bronzer, 566 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: a little blush, even a little concealer, and I blend 567 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: it all and it's great, especially if you have a 568 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: booty blender. It's really it's fun. So try it. All right, 569 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: that's the next tip. And Jenny, how about you, what's on? 570 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: What are you loving this week? I really love being 571 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: a Borrean touch up pen. It's a concealer pen and 572 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: you just put it underneath your eyes and it just 573 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: really light like puts more life into your eyes and 574 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: widens them. Wonderful. All right, well, this has been great 575 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: talking with you guys. Jenny, can you remind us where 576 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: we can find you all online and how our listeners 577 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: could look you guys up. Yeah. Style space dot com 578 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: is where you can book a styling session in any 579 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,239 Speaker 1: category from clothing, hair, makeup, and skincare, and you can 580 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: also download a free ebook to start your five steps 581 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: to achieving your dream style. Awesome. Well, thank you guys 582 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: so much for joining. Yes, we really appreciate it. Yeah, 583 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: thanks so much for having me. Thank you so much. 584 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: All right, well, that was so much fun. We are 585 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,719 Speaker 1: back with the question portion of this episode. This question 586 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: comes from a listener who says she is a full 587 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: time working mom with a husband and a nine year 588 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: old daughter. She is in a lead position for a 589 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: small nonprofit busy household, also coordinating care for aiding parents. 590 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: Her question initially was about negotiating work from home one 591 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: day a week or leaving early a couple of days 592 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: a week, because she has all this stuff going on 593 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: with appointments for aging parents and such like this. Now, 594 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: of course it sounds a little strange, like what negotiating 595 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: to work from home? Isn't that like a twenty eighteen question, Like, 596 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: I don't think we got that question since twenty nineteen, because, 597 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: of course, huge chunks of our listeners have been working 598 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: from home some number of days per week during the 599 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: course of COVID, and it's not so much about negotiating it. Now. 600 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: It seems like a lot of organizations are negotiating to 601 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: get people back into the office one day a week. 602 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's really an entirely different thing. But it 603 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: turns out not where this particular listener works, So she 604 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: says previously asking for flexibility may have impacted her pay. 605 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: She believes she was given a smaller raise in some 606 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: previous junctures because she had taken some flexibility. She's been 607 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: back in the office full time for a year and 608 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: it's been taking its full attempting to manage the care 609 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: of her parents. She wants some more flexibility because she 610 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: has to be in the place basically forty hours a week, 611 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: clocking in, clacking out, even though some of this is 612 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: definitely sort of the informational work that could be done 613 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: at home. So she's wondering what she should do. Should 614 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: she approach this in a certain way of asking for flexibility, 615 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: or should she maybe try to find a new position 616 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: that would offer her the ability to work from home 617 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: have a little bit more flexibility. So, Tara, what do 618 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: you think? Yeah, my thought is that I guess I'm 619 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: just really disappointed. You've been in this role a really 620 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: long time, which means that you've probably been giving more 621 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: than you've been taking from this company, or you wouldn't 622 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: still be there. And I guess it's just surprising to 623 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: me that they're not doing more to support your desires 624 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: for a bit more flexibility at this juncture. And so 625 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: I do think that probably the way to I don't know, 626 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: prove your value or make them rethink your value is 627 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: to job search. If you can I'm not saying necessarily 628 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: to leave, but hey, look around, because you may be 629 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: surprised that you're able to find some other options that 630 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: are either mostly remote or incredibly flexibility on how you 631 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,239 Speaker 1: use that remoteness. And even if you truly don't want 632 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: to leave your current position, you could use an offer. 633 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: Maybe you find an offer that's like eighty percent remote 634 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: and say, hey, I'm going to leave unless you give 635 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: me like one day or two days a week to 636 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: be remote, and that might actually be able to kind 637 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: of get you what you want at your current position, 638 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: or you will find something better. You mentioned your age 639 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: is something that you were worried about, but I don't 640 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: think that being you know, just over fifty is going 641 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: to be a hindrance in the job market at this point. 642 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of leadership positions are offered to 643 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 1: people in that age range who said you were eighty. 644 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: That might be a little bit different, but I don't know. 645 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: I just it sounds like where you are. They sound 646 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: a little micromanagerie to me, and I think it's probably 647 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: worth looking elsewhere. I won't throw out the idea of 648 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: part time. I mean, if you truly feel like you 649 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: just do not want to look at anything work related 650 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: on any Friday or something, and you feel like you 651 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: have the job structure that could support that and you 652 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: can financially do it. You know that that would be 653 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: one option, but you'd have to figure out how that 654 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 1: work that you're missing would be covered so that you're 655 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: not forced to try to basically do forty hours of 656 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: week in thirty two hours, which is probably just going 657 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 1: to be very stressful and not actually feasible. Yeah, it 658 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: is strange that this is like the one organization that 659 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: didn't adopt remote work. I mean, I don't know what 660 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 1: are they thinking. Who knows have they heard about the 661 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: Great Resignation? I would agree with Sarath, there's you're a 662 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,240 Speaker 1: downside to looking for a job, Like you're absolutely allowed 663 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: to go hunt for a job if you want. It, 664 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,240 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you have to take it. You're just seeing 665 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: what is out there. And there are definitely jobs in 666 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: the nonprofit universe that are going to be fully remote 667 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: or in the office two days a week, which might 668 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: be a lot better for you, or maybe they're fully flexible, 669 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: like you're in the office when you need to be, 670 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 1: and you aren't when you aren't, and you can you know, 671 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: build this life that allows you to deal with your 672 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,399 Speaker 1: other responsibilities around that. So I would say, see what's 673 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,919 Speaker 1: out there network hard, really ask yourself if there's things 674 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: in adjacent fields that you might be interested in doing. 675 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: You're not committing yourself to anything. You're just seeing what's 676 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: out there, seeing who's interested in you. You may wind 677 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 1: up offered a wonderful position that you're like, I can't 678 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 1: believe I worked for these people for so many years 679 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: because this was there. It may be that it's pretty similar, 680 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 1: but you're just you know, you can then make a choice, 681 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: is it enough better to go or can I use 682 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: this as a leverage see it more of what I 683 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: want out of my current job. I would say, you know, 684 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: especially as PEP will get older, sometimes there are certain 685 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: aspects of a job that they have built up and 686 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: accrued over time. So as you mentioned more you have 687 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: a lot of vacation time, for instance, you probably are 688 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: pretty good benefits on things like that. Just make a 689 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: list of what those are, like what you absolutely need 690 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: in that and if you definitely want at least you know, 691 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 1: twenty vacation that days per year, like, go into your 692 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 1: negotiations for a new job with that in mind, and 693 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: you know you might be able to get it. I mean, 694 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: who knows. Like I think it's just we're not like 695 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: we have to know what we're comparing this current job too. 696 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,399 Speaker 1: And it's possible that there's nothing out there that's as good, 697 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: but I feel like that's highly unlikely. There's probably something 698 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 1: out there that's pretty similar that you could you could 699 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,919 Speaker 1: be doing and that might be a little bit more 700 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: appreciative of your time and agree. Awesome, Well, you'll have 701 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: to follow up and let us know, let us know 702 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,839 Speaker 1: what you do, all right. Well, this has been best 703 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: of both worlds. We have been talking all things style, makeup, accessories, 704 00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 1: et cetera. We will be back next week with more 705 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: on making work and life pit together. Thanks for listening. 706 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com 707 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 1: or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can 708 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has 709 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join us 710 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 1: next time for more on making work and life work together.