WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 121121 Bullies or Heroes? Do Police Deserve Both Labels? (Part B) 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:00.920 And now. 0:00:02.920 --> 0:00:06.080 Watch my back. You're like that. 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:14.000 You can strike waters from headquarters behind him to the border. Well, 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:16.120 if you're just turning in the civic cipher, I'm your host. 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:17.320 Ramses joh I. 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:19.840 Go by the name of Q War. But Ramses pointed 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:26.600 out earlier sometimes my mother, the Reverend Estella Secrets, called 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:28.160 me Q dirty. 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:35.160 Yes, indeed to dirty. Uh that's my mom. Uh. Stick around. 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:37.760 We got a lot more coming your way, not the 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:40.920 least of which is the way black history fact. This 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.880 time we're going to talk about the Stanford prison experiment, 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:47.680 which is not necessarily a Black history fact, but I 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:50.160 think it's going to help us to frame what we're 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.880 talking about in just a moment, which is really defining 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:57.000 what a bully is and kind of making some connections 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:00.440 with some stories, some policing stories that we come across 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:05.600 this week. But first, let's discuss how to become a 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:12.360 better ally? Shall we? We shall? So I got this 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:15.080 from beet dot com. I want to read this and 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:17.600 try to burn through it pretty quick. And just over 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:22.000 week after Anthony Broadwater was exonerated for the nineteen eighty 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:25.520 one rape of Alice Sebold, she apologized and labeled the 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:30.480 secure the Syracuse Man innocent. According to Syracuse dot com. 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:32.959 Prior to releasing her apology to the public on Tuesday, 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:36.720 November thirtieth, the best selling author's representative sent a copy 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.600 to Broadwater so he could be the first to read it. 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.280 It comes sincerely from her heart, Broadwater told the news 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:45.400 outlet before bursting into tears. She knowingly admits what happened, 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:49.960 and I accept her apology. In her apology, Seabold stated 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.600 that she put her faith as a traumatized eighteen year 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:56.040 old rape victim in the American legal system. In nineteen 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.800 ninety nine. She launched her career with the memoir Lucky, 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:04.080 which described her rape in Syracuse's Thorndon Park and going 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.000 through the criminal justice system that led to Broadwater's in 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:11.440 nineteen eighty two conviction. That's when I was born. Seabold 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:13.799 now believes Broadwater didn't commit the crime for which he 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:17.240 was for which he served sixteen years in prison. It 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.000 has taken me these past eight days to comprehend how 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:23.280 this could have happened, Seabolt wrote in the statement by 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:26.040 a medium, I will continue to struggle with the role 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:29.880 that I unwittingly played with an assistant sent an innocent 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:32.880 man to jail. During the trial, the only two pieces 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:36.440 of evidence against Broadwater were Seabolt's identification after she picked 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:39.160 out the wrong man in an earlier police lineup, and 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.720 a microscopic hair analysis, which is now deemed to be 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:47.080 junk science. Broadwater told Syracuse dot Com that at first 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:49.320 it was difficult for the apology to sink in, but 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:51.600 after talking about it with his wife, the emotional weight 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:55.760 was overwhelming. He cried, said Hammond, one of his lawyers. 0:02:55.840 --> 0:03:00.280 His wife pried too, to become a better ally, own 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:08.720 your mistakes and make them right moving on. That was crazy, right, 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:10.840 I'm not going to pretend like there wasn't some gravity there, 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:14.880 but timed out perfectly. So well. Oh and just so 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:17.840 you know, she was white and he was black. Yeah, 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:21.840 so yeah, that's typically. You know what's funny, A lot 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:22.880 of the audience. 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:26.040 Knew that part already, okay, even if they're saying, even 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:30.080 if they're even if they're completely unfamiliar with the story, 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:33.720 most of them knew that part already, right, exactly. 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:40.680 All right, So what is a bully? I'm going somewhere 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:45.320 with this talk about this already all week? Q and 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:50.800 I so we know just hear me out. A bully, 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:54.440 according to the Oxford Dictionary, a person who habitually seeks 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:59.040 to harm or intimidate those they perceive as vulnerable. 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:01.480 Okay, so. 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:08.840 We're going to use this term with respect to I'd 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.040 say we probably had maybe ten videos we saw this week, 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.520 and about seven of them I put the word bully 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.520 under And so actually. 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.120 Your only response to about eighty five percent of them. 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:22.880 Yeah, so seven eight of them. Yeah, something. 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:24.880 That was when we got into a little deeper than that. 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.719 You were, you know, we were both upset, stick to 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:31.160 our stomach, all these other emotions, but most of them, 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:35.320 your singular reply was the term bully. 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.200 All right, Now, another thing I want to do here. 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.000 Let's say you're listening to this show right now and 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:48.360 you are white. I do this often, and I will 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.200 continue to do this on the radio in person. It's 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:54.360 just how I feel. If you are white, you are 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.560 still my brother, You are still my sister. However you 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:02.040 self identify, you are still my family. I love you, 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.520 and I will always love you. That's the only thing 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:06.400 I got for you, even if you don't have the 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:10.039 same for me. I'm not carrying that weight around at all. 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:12.880 I only am given out love and I mean that. 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.360 People that know me know that I mean that, and 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:18.479 you'll come to know that as well, provided that you 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:22.560 continue to listen to this program. These stories I'm going 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:29.720 to share today, I think maybe one of them might 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:34.120 be a black person. The rest of these stories are 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.960 about white people. I did my best to get all 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.039 those stories and put them in here so that it 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:43.560 doesn't seem like it's necessarily a white or sorry, a 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.880 white and black thing, or a black versus police police thing, 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.160 but really a police culture thing. And there's a lot 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.520 of folks that continually criticize us because they feel like 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.520 we are anti police, and I don't believe that that 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:00.440 is true. I do believe that institutions like this one 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:05.120 are necessary to hold police accountable and to compel them 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:08.240 to be the best version that they can be. Just 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:11.080 because something exists and it's the only thing that you 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.680 know and it does good doesn't mean that it can't 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:17.480 be better. I love the United States. It is flawed. 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:22.279 It can be better, if that makes sense, right, And 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:25.560 anybody that doesn't hold the United States to that standard 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:30.320 obviously doesn't believe that. Because for something to be the best, 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:33.400 that it can be you know, it has to continually 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:38.039 evolve and adapt. The only constant is change, right, So 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:41.880 obviously we don't have enough time to go through each 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:43.919 of these stories, so we'll try to go through them 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.200 pretty quickly. That is not to say that these stories 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:52.000 are not worthy of full breakdowns and full examinations. Right now, 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:55.640 Q and I, we are always going to be black 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.040 and we come from that tribe and that's who we are, 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:02.040 but right now we're going to be humans because we 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:06.040 were not relating in a black way. This is a 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:11.000 human way. So do you recall the story I sent 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:14.560 Q where there was a seventeen year old girl who 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:19.440 was having a seizure at the concert and the police 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:23.320 were called and she woke up from the seizure and 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:28.000 she was still kind of disoriented and the police tased her. 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:38.120 Remember that story? Unfortunately, So the crazy part about this 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:44.200 is after the incident, the officers involved conceded that the 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:49.560 teenager was not a threat, But the five officers who 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.360 like subdued her and the officer that tased her, none 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:56.120 of these people were disciplined at all. Right, And I 0:07:56.160 --> 0:08:03.760 think that this is one example that shows that this 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:10.800 culture of bullying is more prevalent than people know. There's 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.560 a mob mentality there. You know, there was a story 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:15.520 that we don't have the notes for, but I sent 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.440 it to you. I want to say yesterday, Q, and 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:25.240 it was a black man. He was jogging and he 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:30.800 fit the description as you do. And he I think 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:34.000 there were seven police cars and a police helicopter that 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:37.560 pulled up on him over time. You know, the first 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.960 officer was there, talked to him really nice, put him 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.400 in handcuffs. That the guy was cool, the officer was cool. 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.480 It was a great interaction overall. But the seven police 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.720 officers showing up with the helicopter all on this guy, like, Okay, 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:50.920 where is he going to go? What is he going 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:54.320 to do? I think it's like, if you need four cops, hey, 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:56.840 I get it, you know, but seven I think that 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.920 we need to have that defund the police conversation again, right. 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.040 I just want to I just want to remind you 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:06.560 or kind of interjected to let you know that we've 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:12.280 gotten to a place where Okay, he was only handcuffed, 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:17.520 So it was a pleasant interaction because we're so used 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.920 to it going so much worse than that. Yeah, right, 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.040 I should not be handcuffed for jogging. 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:25.559 Exactly. 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:30.360 It shouldn't be and I've gotten so bad that we 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:34.440 have to say, well, hey, they didn't shoot him, so good. 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:40.719 Here that's what he said. But you know that that 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:44.120 interaction and interactions like that where the police show up 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:46.240 and they're real cool, they're not bullies, they're not cussing, 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:50.920 they're not overly angry, you know, and they it's kind 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:54.400 of like the innocent until proven guilty sort of approach 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:57.760 as opposed to the ready fire aim approach that we 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:02.880 talked about a few episodes ago. But as far as 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:07.359 this girl who's having the seizure at the concert, I 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.240 have to imagine, and you're listening to my boy, so 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:15.439 imagine this with me if instead of police officers coming 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:19.640 to help her through her seizure, she had maybe just 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:24.040 some concert goers helping her out. At no point do 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:29.120 these concert goers need to have this feeling like they 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:33.280 need to defend themselves or otherwise subdue this woman who 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:36.520 is recovering from a seizure and is having a reaction 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:39.000 because she blacked out and woke up in the world. 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:41.400 You know, there's people in her face and she's you know, 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.839 trying to figure out what's going on right, just like 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:46.600 I'm not even talking about people with medical training. I'm 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:49.400 just talking about regular people. I've seen a seizure that's 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:52.120 very scary. You don't want to leave a person who's 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:54.120 having a seizure. You want to help, you don't want 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.280 to tase them. Now, the one thing that people will 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.640 say people that love to defend the police. And I 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:03.360 get that that's necessary too, just like this show is necessary. 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:05.959 But the one thing that people want to say is, 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.640 you don't know you weren't there. Well. One thing that 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:12.199 does clear up a lot often, doesn't clear up everything always, 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.400 but it does clear up a lot often is video. 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.679 And all these have videos, and I've seen them, and 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:21.320 this is the way I'm responding to them. Moving on. 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:25.439 I got to kind of get through a couple more 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:29.280 of these. There was one article about a it's called 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:33.480 a callous cop who was fired for ignoring a dying 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:42.080 gunshot victims please for help. So this officer Rogers failed 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:49.560 to give this eighteen year old. His name was Gelante Jones, 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.640 which makes me feel like he might not have been white. 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.920 But I don't know. I didn't see this person, but 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:57.560 I you know, you could hear the audience. 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:04.839 Tell you with one thousand certainty that Jelante Jones it's 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:12.640 from Compton, outside of Chicago, Detroit, or Gary, Indiana or Harlem. 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:15.360 You guys get what I'm going with this. 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:25.640 Well, unfortunately Jelante is not here anymore. He was shot 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.680 and as he lay bleeding on the ground for ten minutes, 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:33.120 he was asking the officer for help, and the only 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.920 thing the officer did was talk on the radio and 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.679 question him do you live here? Do you live here? 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.560 Where do you live? Where we going that sort of stuff? 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:46.199 And no way trying to administer help. And this is 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.160 a civil servant, you know, Officer Rogers, there is a 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.920 civil servant, you know, and they they're trained on first 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:56.440 aid and all this sort of stuff. But you know, 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:00.200 and these as isolated incidents go. Each one is an 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.720 isolated incident. So I'm not going to pick on this officer, 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:06.120 but I'm going to show you a theme, you know, 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.360 And I believe this themed to be very much a 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:12.320 bullying theme. As I stated in our text conversations throughout 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:18.800 the week, the one that really hurt the most this week. 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.520 And I hope that you didn't see it, but if 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:26.720 you did, you know why. I hope that you didn't 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:30.520 see it. There was an sixty one year old white male. 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:42.320 These are hard for me because I'm not a fan 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:54.719 of so there was a video of an older man 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:58.040 who was in a wheelchair and he was accused of 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:01.600 shoplifting from a believe it was a Walmart or something 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:06.440 in Tucson, Arizona. Might have been a Lowser Walmart or 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:07.640 some sort of place like that. 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:09.400 And. 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:16.079 I believe that he might have had a knife on 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:22.040 him in a wheelchair, might have had a knife on him, 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:28.000 and he was accused of shoplifting. He turns around to 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:31.080 go back in the store, refusing to interact with the officer. 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.480 This is the video that I saw. Again. I don't 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:35.560 know what I don't know, but I do know that 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:42.880 the officer was fired. As the man in the wheelchair 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:47.000 approaches the store, the officers telling him to stop going 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:53.320 toward the entrance of the store, and you know, he 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.440 still might have been a long way away from the store. 0:14:55.520 --> 0:15:00.040 You know, I'm maybe thirty feet from the entrance, and 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:07.800 the officer just unloads into this guy from behind. And 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:12.560 I didn't see any de escalate. I didn't see anything, 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:14.960 you know, and you know, if a person has a 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:19.560 knife and is intent on doing harm from a wheelchair 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:23.760 at a grocery store, from something. You know, anybody can 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:29.440 run away from someone in a wheelchair, even if that's 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.760 the case. If you're a police officer and you want 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:36.480 to be that hero, there's all these are opportunities for 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.440 people to be heroes, And what I see instead is bullies. 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.240 You know, there's an opportunity to be a hero there. 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:45.960 You can go and literally take the knife out of 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:50.080 this dude's hand, and you save the day. No one died. 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.400 You know, you're a hero. Instead, you shot him in 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.240 the face, in the back of the head and the face, 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:59.320 and then he slumped over it. And I have to 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:04.400 live with that image in my head, and everyone that 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:08.720 saw it has to live that man was executed and 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:12.280 will never know what was he going back to prove 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.680 himself right? Did show hey? Did that I got my receipt? 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.040 Or what? Who knows if that knife was intended for 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:18.520 a weapon? 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.720 You know some people doesn't. 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.200 Matter, right, This is the point I'm making. 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:28.680 Thank you, your sentence he received was not just no 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:32.400 matter what with the circumstance in the things that we. 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:41.280 Know now now watch this Christian hall a nineteen year 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:46.360 old Chinese American was standing still with his hands raised 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:51.320 and his gun pointed up, facing at least ten Pennsylvania 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:55.160 State Police officers taking cover behind a vehicle when they 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:58.920 fatally shot him in December twenty twenty, according to unedited 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:03.240 footage by attorneys representing his family. Now that footage just 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:06.080 made its way to us, we're just able to finally 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.919 see it, and so we're talking about it. Yeah, And 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:12.600 then there's another one that I want to talk about 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:18.920 where there was a man who was riding a motorcycle, right, 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:22.879 and I believe this was an Arizona somewhere as well, 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.840 which is interesting. But he was riding a motorcycle. He 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:30.080 got off the motorcycle and walked into it might have 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.600 been a walmart, right, and he was walking around the 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:37.520 store to get some lunch for the day. He was 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.359 on his way to work, but he didn't take his 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:45.239 helmet off, and a manager in the store came up 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:48.160 to him and says, hey, can you take your helmet off? 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:51.480 And the guy with the helmet just kind of blazes 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:55.560 by him and gets his stuff, goes and pays for 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:58.680 it and then is leaving. And at some other point 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.080 the manager kind of like approached him again from his side, 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:06.280 but you know, based on the camera angles, you know, 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:08.840 those motorcycle hemets, you can't see out the side, you know, 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:11.320 and he was kind of over his shoulder a bit, 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:16.400 so he couldn't really see him anyway. Manager calls the police, 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:20.639 please show up immediately. This guy was white as well, 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:27.520 and they stop him on his way out of the store. 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:34.000 And these police officers were so angry. They were so 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:37.560 angry already, and you know what happened. So the guy 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.840 says he takes his helmet off when he's talking to 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:45.240 the police officers and they're like, yore, why do you 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:47.600 have your helmet on. He's like, oh, my music's playing 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.560 in my helmet. I was listening to my phone. It's connected. 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:52.359 So I just I just came to get some lunch. 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.040 He's like, well, the manager asked you to take your 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:58.880 helmet off in the store. He's like, right, couldn't hear 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:02.600 the manager music. He's like, well, he came right up 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:04.439 to you and like when you first walked in and 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:06.479 looked you in the face, he was talking to you. 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:08.639 He's like, I didn't know he was talking to me. 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:10.920 He had a headset on I figured he was talking 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:19.879 to the headset, Wasn't you know? The aggressive people in 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:24.600 this interaction were the police. This guy, it's like they 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:28.560 want you to bow down before them, like worship me, 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:34.320 you insignificant peon. This is the attitude that I saw 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:38.280 as a theme underscoring these videos this week. Remember the 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:43.120 definition a person who habitually seeks to harm or intimidate 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:48.760 those whom they perceive as vulnerable Oxford Dictionaries, definition of 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.640 a hero. And none of these encounters, none of these 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:53.400 And Kelly, did I see you of a hero? 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:56.840 Segan the definition of a bully? 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:59.000 You said, of a hero of a bully? That's what 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:06.560 I meant, thank you. And so this aggression, it's like, 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:10.280 are these guys on steroids? You know, there's there's this 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:15.560 wildly alarming statistic that comes up so often that you know, 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:19.040 like you're more likely to be abused by your husband 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:21.280 if your husband is a police officer. Like these guys 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:26.040 just like just love wailing on their lives. Not all 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:30.320 of them, of course, you know, but that's something that happens. 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:34.639 These people are like maybe people that want this job, 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:38.600 A good amount of them are predisposed to violence, and 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:43.680 they feel like this badge and this gun gives them 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:45.919 the respect that they never got when they were in 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:49.120 high school or whatever whatever it might be. Who knows. Again, 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:51.560 we're talking about some but these are the ones that 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.440 make stories. These are the ones that make statistics. These 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:58.640 are the ones that really affect people, families and communities, 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:02.520 you know. And again I saw the one officer that 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:05.320 stopped the man that was jogging in the story earlier, 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:07.480 they were looking for someone who stole a lawnmower who 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:10.480 was wearing a white tank top and dark shorts and 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:12.480 he was jogging. He happened to have a white tank top. 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:16.440 And the officer was real cool. He's like, listen, man, 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:18.320 I know what's going on out here. I don't want 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:20.239 you to think this is that if we could just 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:22.560 get this taken care of. You need to make sure 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:24.520 that's not you. I don't think it's you, but we 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:26.480 need to make sure and then you're free to go. 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:27.040 You know? 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:29.800 Is that cool? And a guy? He was also cool too, 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:33.560 because you know, there's there's ways to play this. You know, 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:36.760 sometimes you just got to be humble. Sometimes you you know, 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:38.760 your your pride has to go out the window. 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:42.280 But heck, you once again, and you were starting to 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:44.959 say it. Your pride has to go out of the window. 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:48.639 If you're digging out of a window, your self respect 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:50.520 has to go out of the window because you don't 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:55.600 want to die here. Even your rights have to go 0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:58.240 out of the window because you don't want to die here. 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:01.520 So I didn't do anything wrong. You're not entitled to 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:04.399 a rest and or handcuff me because I have a 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.760 white shirt on. However, I don't want to die today, 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:09.680 So yes, sir, right. 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:14.560 And the craziest part is, you know, let's say it's me. 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:19.040 I'm jogging in my community where I live, right, I 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:22.000 these people know me. My hair is all over the place. 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:24.199 They see me at the grocery store. I have a 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:27.280 yellow corvette, you know, like these, and it's convertible, so 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:29.680 they know it's me. Right, I walk with my son. 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:31.800 You know, this is where I live. If the police 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:35.439 came where I live and put me in handcuffs, I 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:38.919 couldn't even begin to tell you the amount of embarrassment 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:43.399 me being black. And you know, I already feel like 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:47.520 some people that don't know me personally have preconceived notions, 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:50.160 you know, so to have the police, Hey, look, can 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:52.400 we stop you here for a second. Blah blah. Listen, man, 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:55.040 can I can we go behind this thing or whatever? 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:58.280 You know, there was a story about actually I think 0:22:58.320 --> 0:23:02.800 this is the next one. Let me read it. Oh no, 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:04.679 I didn't make it in here. Okay, I'm sorry. But 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:08.280 there's another story of a man who was driving. He 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:10.560 was at work. He was a counselor who's going to 0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:14.040 go visit one of his clients, and the police turned 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:17.800 on their lights to pull them over, and he wanted 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:19.920 to go somewhere where he was He felt a little 0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:22.080 bit more comfortable pulling over his car where people could 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:25.840 see the interaction. And the officer ended up arresting him 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:29.040 for fleeing from the police and failing to stop right 0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:31.360 and they called, of course all these other police out 0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:34.680 and blah blah blah. So dignity is one of those 0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:37.359 things where no matter what you do, even if you 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:39.719 know you're innocent, you know, I get some folks have 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:42.240 to make those decisions. But I do want to say this. 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:46.880 Seeing police as heroes makes it difficult to see them 0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:53.040 as prone to fear, prejudices and wrongdoing. And I'm not 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:57.720 saying that we can't, you know, see them as heroes, 0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:02.800 provided that they are doing something heroic, but just kind 0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:07.200 of carte blanche assigning that. I think that it doesn't 0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:10.199 leave room for the reality that we all live in. 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:13.280 And I wanted to make those that point, using those 0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:17.280 examples of mostly non black people, so that folks know 0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:19.600 that it's not a black people versus police thing as 0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:23.080 much as it is something that we just need to 0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:26.520 continue to talk about, and this is the place for that. 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:30.360 Moving on here and now you start to understand why 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:33.800 for our way black history fact, I wanted to discuss 0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:39.000 the Stanford Experiments, so for those that don't know, and 0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:42.440 my sources come from Britannica dot com with the same 0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:47.879 Britannica from the Encyclopedia Britannica and Stanford dot edu so 0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:52.840 Stanford University. So the Stanford Prison Experiment is a social 0:24:52.880 --> 0:24:57.280 psychology study in which college students become became prisoners or 0:24:57.280 --> 0:25:01.240