WEBVTT - "Wayne's World -Comedic Advice from Wayne Federman" 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:03.640 Comedy Saved Me. 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:05.320 This is what I love about stand up. 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:10.479 It's a very communal activity that you get to share 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:11.480 with the audience. 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:14.840 I'm Len Hoffman, and welcome to the Comedy Save Me Podcast, 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:18.800 where we explore the power of the punchline. Joining us today, 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:23.079 can't even believe it is a stand up comedian, an actor, producer, author, 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:27.520 comedy writer, comedy historian. Oh yeah, also on the side, 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:32.960 a musician, an adjunct professor, and dabbler of podcasts. You've 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:36.519 seen him in shows over the decades, from Baywatch and 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:40.159 X Files to Curb Your Enthusiasm. It's always Sonny in Philadelphia, 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:43.440 Silicon Valley Dummy. I could go on here for the 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:46.879 whole hour, but I digress. We are going to be 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:51.360 speaking with the Emmy winning amazing man known as Wayne 0:00:51.360 --> 0:01:01.480 Fetterman next on Comedy Save Me, Don't Move Comedy Saved Me. Right, 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:03.880 he feels like he's part of your family. If he 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:05.800 feels like he's part of your family, that's because he 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:08.480 really he really is. I mean, you've literally seen this 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:11.720 man in every television show, movie, and commercials since the 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:15.400 early seventies. Comedy or drama, take your pick. All right, 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:17.280 it may sound like I'm exaggerating a little bit, but 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:19.600 I feel like I can refer to him as a 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:25.040 prolific and expert comedic entertainer who once had Jimmy Fallon 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:29.120 as his opening act. Wayne Fetterman, Welcome to Comedy Save Me. 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:30.880 It's true honor to have you here today. 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:34.800 Well, thank you. You know, yes, I was doing comedy 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:38.160 in junior high school in the early seventies, but I'm 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:42.120 not quite that all that. I was born in the 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:45.520 forties or something, But thank you. Thank you for the introduction. 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:47.400 Very flattering. I love it. 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:49.280 It did sound that way. But you ever walk up 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:51.760 to somebody or see like a celebrity, even in your 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:54.760 own business, that comes by and you've seen them in 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:58.440 so many things, sometimes you don't realize it who you 0:01:58.440 --> 0:01:59.840 think it is. You just think it's family, and so. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:04.400 Course, yes, of course, yes, yes we have this, we 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:06.760 have this in common where you're like, I know, is 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:07.720 this a person? 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:09.040 Yeah? 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.640 Well, you are definitely the perfect guest for this show 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:13.880 because you've spent most of your life not just working 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:17.040 as an actor and comedian, but also teaching and studying 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.120 and writing about the fine art and history of stand 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:23.280 up comedy. As evidenced in your recent book The History 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:27.080 of Stand Up Congratulations, which also turned into a podcast. 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:31.480 Just to start us off, I'm curious in your studies 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:37.239 as a professor at USC adjunct, did you include your 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:41.320 studies in comedy about how it has healing powers for 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:43.720 both the givers of the comedy and the receivers, And 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.560 if so, what did you glean off of this album. 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:47.440 As a matter of fact, they didn't. 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.360 I just stuck mainly, I know the theme of this 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:54.600 show is the power of the comedy. I was more 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:58.840 just talking about its evolution and how it went from 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:04.520 a very small a part of variety shows to now 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:07.400 it is the show like it used to be. Just 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:10.679 like the monologists, that's what stand ups were called. We're 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:14.280 like part of a variety show. Even before Vaudeville they 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:20.480 were doing it, and then eventually people really started gravitating 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.480 towards what these people were saying. And I think it's 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:29.600 just the simplicity of one person standing on stage with 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:34.079 a microphone and just you get this view inside their 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:38.400 mind and they're basically tickling your mind. 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:40.560 They're not physically tickling. 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:43.840 You, but they're mentally tickling your mind with misdirections and 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:48.640 observations and you know, embarrassing stories that you might be 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:52.200 able to relate to. So it's a very This is 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.840 what I love about stand up. It's a very communal 0:03:56.280 --> 0:04:00.280 activity that you get to share with the audience. And 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:02.160 I was just thinking about this the other day. I'm 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:03.840 going to go off just a little bit because I've 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.720 been thinking, like I was at a street fair the 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:08.960 other day and there was a band playing in one 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:13.320 of the shells and there was maybe two people watching 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.960 the band, but the band was cooking, and you could 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:20.159 have like the greatest guitar solo you ever do in 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:23.039 your life in front of one person or at sound 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.799 check or anything, but a stand up you need the audience, 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:30.239 you need the give and take. So it's that human 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:33.719 connection that really sets it apart from a lot of 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:35.360 the other art forms. 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:37.839 Yes, that is interesting, and you know it's funny you 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:41.280 said that. It almost is like even when you're one 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.360 on one with someone and they pull out a guitar 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.919 and they perform for you, it's it's still it's not 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.120 quite the same. It's not the same thing. Whether it's 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:51.960 does that make. 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:55.120 Sense, Like you're sitting on me, you because it's there's 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:57.640 a comedian named Dana Gould who would be a great 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:00.839 person to talk to on this podcast because he's a 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:04.960 very deep thinker, super hilarious, funnier than I am. 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:07.360 And it's just like it's just great. 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:10.400 And he's dealt with like kind of little more mental 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.520 health issues than I have. And he said that stand 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:17.680 up is a conversation, but only one person is talking. 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:20.800 Wow, that would be really hard for me because I 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:27.880 love to talk obviously. Can you pinpoint, Wanne the moment 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:30.880 when you realized that comedy wasn't just something that you enjoyed, 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:32.920 but it was something that you needed in your life. 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:35.120 Clearly you needed it. 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:40.160 Well, I don't know, this was my thing. 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:46.920 My thing was I enjoyed the attention, the affirmation. Even 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:48.920 when I was in high school, I was a funny 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.800 kid and that's when this whole dream started for me. 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.440 Really, And there. 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.720 Were other funny kids in high school, but they were 0:05:56.839 --> 0:06:03.719 very disruptive, and my goal as a class comedian or 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:07.440 something was to make the teachers laugh as well as 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:10.119 the students. It was easy to make the students laugh. 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:14.640 You could just be you know, incorrigible against the you know, 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:15.360 the authority. 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:15.720 Figure. 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.560 But if I could get the teachers to laugh as well, 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:21.440 I was like, Okay, now at least I know I 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:25.599 have like a an aptitude for this world, and like, 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:27.960 let me give this, let me give this a shot. 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:31.359 And many teachers encouraged me. But it wasn't like like 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:33.520 the name of your podcast really makes me laugh. It 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:37.520 makes it sound like, Oh, I was an accountant and 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:41.560 I was this drudgery and one night I did a 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.440 knock knock joke to a colleague and I laughed and 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:45.360 it saved my life. 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.479 It's not quite like that, but I did want to 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:52.000 lead a creative life. That was lynn that was my goal. 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.600 Well it's you know, it's funny. You said that the 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.280 funny ones were disruptive and you wanted to make the 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:01.280 teacher laugh. The disrupt ones were probably the ones that 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.640 were just so bored. That's all they wanted to do 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.320 was disrupt. I love that you wanted to make the 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.080 teacher laugh, because a gets you out of having to 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:10.840 study because they're laughing so hard. 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:11.800 I used to do that to my mom. 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:13.520 We had to go to bed. I try to make 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:14.880 her laugh so we could stay up later. 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.680 Oh I say, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:20.520 Yeah, all my friends who are super super smart, they 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:22.679 were the disruptors. 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.880 And believe it or not, a lot of those disruptor 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.040 kids also became stand ups. 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:30.320 Yeah, you're trying to say that you were stupid or something, 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:31.360 because I wasn't. 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:35.440 My point I was, I was not trying to know. 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:39.960 I'm saying that that you could also be like a juvenile, 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.280 delinquent comedian and as well. 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.720 And but I unlike. 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:48.560 I feel like a lot of stand ups that I 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:53.280 talked to hated school, and I didn't. I really I 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.640 liked learning and I liked the community of it all. 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.240 But that might have to be because I came from 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:01.800 a very tense house sold so it was like, oh, 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.000 this is a place where I can really get some 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:08.040 you know, affirmation and community and things like that. 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:10.400 So it's weird. It's weird. 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:11.960 That's interesting. 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:14.160 Yes, it isn't. 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.000 How many siblings in the family do we have. 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:17.960 It's a lot. It's very kind. I don't think we 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:19.640 have enough time to go through the whole thing. 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:23.800 But basically there was four kids. I was the youngest, 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.480 and then my father died very young, never knew him, 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:31.160 and then my mom remarried four years later and had 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.720 two other kids. So I have step siblings, but I 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.280 just think of them as full brothers, sisters. It's not like, 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.240 oh yeah yeah, because I never knew my dad, so 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:43.280 and so it was a pretty big family, and you 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:48.760 know I needed attention apparently, well I couldn't get it yet. 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:51.080 No, that makes that makes a lot of sense. And 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.640 you know, it's so interesting that you say, that's exact 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:57.560 same story of my husband. He was sixteen. But still, 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:00.160 it's really a hard thing when you don't know your 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.960 father and didn't ever get to meet him. And it 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.280 says a lot about who you are today too. 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:08.000 That I like the way you in the middle of this, 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:09.520 you have to brag that you got married. 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:10.079 It's fun. 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:14.480 Oh well I stopped him for years, so did he 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:15.040 gave in? 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.000 Are you warmed down? I love it? I love it. 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:18.560 I love it. 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.960 Was there a specific a set or show or comedic 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.960 moment where you felt like you finally belonged somewhere and 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:28.040 you knew this was where you needed to be because 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:31.800 you've done so much. It's absolutely incredible and mind boggling 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.679 when I go through your sizzle reel. Yeah, how much 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:35.480 stuff you have done? 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:40.079 Thank you, thank you. No, it's so somebody, Yeah, I 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:41.000 look at it. 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:43.679 I was just trying to get the next thing, like 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:46.199 in the whole run of it. And I am, by 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:49.400 no means like a famous comedian. I'm a working comedian. 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:53.040 And so there's a slight difference in that. Was there 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:54.920 a moment can you ask that question again? Was there 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.320 a moment I felt like I belonged. 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.640 That you belonged, like that you had found your niche 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:03.040 outside the high school with the teacher. 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:07.040 Yeah, yeah, that side of making missus Forresburg laugh. 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:12.040 Wow, let me think. Yeah, I would say. 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.240 I would say when I was there was like a 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:18.200 comedy club that I developed at in New York City 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:22.200 called the Comic Strip. And when I started doing like 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:25.800 weekend sets, which were the prime sets you could get there, 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.240 and was doing very well. 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:30.199 On those sets. 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:34.319 I was playing the ukulele, I was just doing silly stuff, 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:38.400 and I was like, Oh, I think I can. I 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.880 think I can do this because I gave myself ten years. 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:45.120 I gave myself my thirties before I would even think 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:49.320 of assessing whether this could be a career. I was like, 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.680 I'm going to give up my ex year until thirty. 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:55.440 So my entire twenties, I would give up and to 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:59.400 pursue this as fully as I could. And then and 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:03.160 by the my time as twenty seven or twenty eight, 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:05.440 it was like making a living. I paid off my 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:09.400 student loan all doing comedy. So I was like, oh, 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:11.679 I guess I'm part of it. It's so funny you 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.600 keep asking for these specific moments. And to me, it 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:19.760 was more like a rolling rock kind of thing. 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.040 That just like just kept pushing it. 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:25.920 Yes, like momentum was going and there'd be setbacks and 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.920 the rock would roll back over me and I keep going, 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:33.040 and you know, so there really wasn't like, oh my god, 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:37.120 this one moment I'm performing and George Carlin was in 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:38.800 the crowd and he put his arm around me. 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:40.160 There was nothing like that. 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:40.600 No. 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:42.679 I mean, like I saw pictures of you with one 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:45.720 of my idols as a kid growing up, Bob Hope 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:49.360 and Gary Shanling and Steve Carella. I mean, like you're 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.920 just going one on one with the biggest names. And 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:53.360 to me, by the way, you said you weren't a 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.760 famous comedian, you are a famous comedian. I think you've 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.880 just been so busy working you haven't realized who you are. 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.400 Okay, you might be right. You might be right. I 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:04.240 doubt it, but thank you for saying that. 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:08.920 No, but what gave you that that gumption to continue 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:12.480 to pursue each new role? I mean it. I'm not 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:16.120 exaggerating when I say, if you go to Waynefetterman dot 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:19.200 com at the d R M A N you will 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.960 just be amazed. You were part of every part of 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:22.720 my life. Wayne. 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.439 This is all right, now, don't make me blush. 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:26.960 I'm fangirling on you. 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:31.080 It's not going to go well for me, all right. 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:36.440 So what was your question? When did I know what? 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:37.480 Well? 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.520 All right, it's just overwhelmed by the compliment. So I'm sorry. 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:42.120 Yeah, I know I tend to do that. I didn't 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:43.600 mean to throw you off. 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:46.959 Let's just move on. Okay, okay, okay. 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:52.040 How has your relationship with comedy changed over the years? 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.320 Do you ask these questions that are that have built 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:59.400 in assumptions in them that I don't know if I 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.880 agree with the built into something. Let me think about it. 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:07.800 My relationship with comedy, Oh my god, I'd never even 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.200 think of being in a relationship with comedy. I just 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:14.880 feel like, oh, I had an aptitude for this as 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:19.800 a kid, I pursued it because I just loved the 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.920 idea of it the first time, even in high school, 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:26.400 and I went to I'm from Florida. I'm like from nowhere, 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:30.520 from a place called this is embarrassing, Plantation, Florida. 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:34.439 I know, Plantation, Florida, you know, yeah. 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:34.680 Oh my god. 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:39.400 So anyway, I'm from Plantation. It's kind of an embarrassing name. 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.439 And I went to South Plantation High School. I'm from 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.959 the less progressive part, the south part of a place 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.160 called Plantation. There's a south part of Plantation. Eye, yes, 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.440 that's what south. I went to South Plantation High School. 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:56.560 So it's just so funny. I know, it's ridiculous. 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:57.520 It's ridiculous. 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:00.920 But they had this, oh my god, I wish I 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.120 could remember the name of it, but like at the 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.960 in the guidance counselor's office, like this book of possible 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:10.800 professions and it was like numerous books and you would 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:14.000 read it as a doctor, you know, had to do 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:17.400 ant caesiologist if he didn't want to be a full doctor. 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:22.280 Thing and nurse assistant whatever, construction manager stuff. 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:25.880 And one of them was entertained. Literally, they had like entertainer. 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.920 They didn't say stand up comedian, but they you know, 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.760 and I was reading about it, I was like, oh, this, 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:36.479 this is actually a career. And then once I realized 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:41.440 that making people laugh could be a career, that's exactly 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:42.280 what I wanted to do. 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:45.280 And I just did two things. I did stand up. 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:48.120 And I wanted to be a good comedic actor like 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.240 in commercials, which I also was able to knock on 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:52.320 wood achieve a little bit. 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.640 So that was my strategy. 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:59.840 So I don't know if I have a relationship with comedy, Yeah, 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.160 a relationship. Comedy hasn't called me quite a bit. I'm 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:06.720 getting desperate. I keep calling comedy on the weekend break up. 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:10.440 Yeah. Yeah, comedy broke my art several times. 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:14.760 Actually, comedy seeing another comedian it's really it's bad. 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:16.200 It's bad. I don't know why you would. 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:18.960 So I don't really think of it having a relationship 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:24.400 with it as more just I don't know, an absolute 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.960 affinity for it because it's the best. It's so human. 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.640 That's what I love about comedy is the human part 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.800 about it. It's like you're really it's part of the 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:37.840 human and it goes back way before staying you know, 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:41.040 I mean, as soon as there was even before then, 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:44.880 like in all of these societies, like you know Inca, 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.880 the Mexica that they all the Native Americans there was 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:51.840 always like a funny person and making life is part 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:56.200 of the human experience. So I'm just part of a 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:59.760 small part of this huge wave that's been part of 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:00.640 being alive. 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:02.240 It's part of being alive. 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:05.760 No, speaking of that, do you feel that people have 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.800 to be able to laugh at themselves in order to 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:10.359 be a good comedian. 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:12.760 I try not to. 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.760 Again, I'm like a bad person for this podcast because 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:19.840 I'm very much a nuanced guy for the most part. Lynn, 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:24.000 I do think, yes, I think, But I do know 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:27.640 comedians that are just like to are angry at the 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:30.840 world and have a comedic lens in which to vent 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:34.080 that anger. And I don't know if they have a 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:36.880 sense of humor about themselves. So I don't know if 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:41.440 that's true for me, Like that's I do self deprecating comedy. 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.600 So I'm always there is no better, There really is 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:45.040 no better. 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:46.120 Well, thank you, thank you. 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.200 I don't know if that's true, but yeah, so that's 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.840 what I try to do. But I can't speak on 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:55.920 behalf of other I can't speak on behalf of other comedians. 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.960 For myself, I like making fun of myself and so much. 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:04.120 He once said, that's like you just can't take your 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.119 you know, the whole thing is ridiculous. Anyway, when you 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:10.199 break down stand up, you're just like if there was 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:12.560 an alien who came down and went walked into a 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:17.200 comedy club and there's one person standing and everyone else 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:20.080 and then they're making these involuntary sounds and then once 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:21.480 in a while colapping like what. 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:24.560 Is happening here? Like why are these people? 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:25.159 What? 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:29.720 It's this weird ritual that's going on with you grunting 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:34.240 noises and things and screams, and like, okay, do you. 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:38.560 Do you love making people laugh? Do you love working 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.280 with other people that make you laugh? Is that sort 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:44.719 of part for the for your profession? You know? 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:46.679 I don't know if I use the word love, but 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:53.399 I do have an intense, intense attraction, no, a tense 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:54.880 pashion for it. 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:55.159 I do. 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:59.200 I do, I'd love Not only do I like doing comedy, 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:03.720 which is terrifying at times because when it's not going well, 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.679 not only do you know it the audience knows that 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:09.960 everyone in the room can feel it. It's not great, 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:14.439 it's not great, and I know, And so there's a 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.280 little bit of like you're on a tightrope up there 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.920 and you can fall and people can tell, and it's 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:23.600 you're a wallnda brother, all of a sudden, it's not good. 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:24.920 It's not good. 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.000 So I do love doing it, but I also love 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:31.639 watching it. And I know other comedians who don't watch 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:33.080 other don't watch comic. 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:35.760 They don't like it. They just want to think about 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:36.359 what they're doing. 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:39.120 Is it not because they don't want someone who's funnier 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:40.880 that they don't want to see someone who's funnier than them. 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.959 I think partly maybe that just like cause it's I 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:46.840 hate to say it, underneath all of this love of 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:50.520 comedy and elevated the stuff there is there's this huge 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:54.639 competition and suddenly, oh, that comedian's driving a Lamborghini and 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:58.120 I'm still with the camera over here. So it's there 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:03.359 is that part of its no question, no question, the 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.240 goals in comedy is to be big, like that's your 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.920 kind of your goal. And so it's very clear who 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:13.439 is selling out arenas and who is you know not 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.640 or playing smaller clubs or I don't even know if 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.400 you know this, not to get in the weeds too much. 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:22.280 But there's like A clubs and then what they call 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:25.960 B clubs and C clubs and that's and with each 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:29.679 letter it keeps getting worse, the kind of environment you 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:33.800 have to perform in front of. So so no, it's 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.760 and it's all getting laughs. It's all getting from the 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.840 open micer to Dave Chappelle, they're all doing the same 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:43.320 thing standing up there trying to get laughs using your 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:47.160 mind and your words and your thought, you know, comedic 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.480 ideas that you're presenting through your what I call a 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:54.600 specific comedy lens, like how you've see in the world. Yeah, 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:57.320 it's just like, oh, I see it focused tier. You're 0:19:57.359 --> 0:20:00.600 looking there like I don't remember the. 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:02.919 Willing to you? What does it feel like to you 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:04.680 when you do that? Like have you ever have you 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:06.800 ever bombed and then had to recover? 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:08.200 Please? 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:10.840 Oh come on, give it to me please please? 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:13.560 Oh yeah, I mean I don't want to really, I 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:16.280 will tell you. The site of my worst show was 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:20.719 in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, at a holiday inn. I don't want 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.240 to go into the details of it, but that's a hole. 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:25.879 That's how comedy almost killed me. 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.119 Should be your other podcast. Oh No, So it was 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:30.400 a very very I was devastating. 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:34.879 And some comedians have an ability like if it goes bad, 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:37.960 they'll turn on the audience because they're like, I'm not 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:40.200 going to be the one feeling bad about this. You're 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.119 going to be the one. I'm going to punish the crowd. 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:48.560 It's really interestingly, I was never like that. I was always, Oh, 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:52.040