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Speaker 1: Comedy Saved Me.

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Speaker 2: This is what I love about stand up.

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Speaker 3: It's a very communal activity that you get to share

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Speaker 1: I'm Len Hoffman, and welcome to the Comedy Save Me Podcast,

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Speaker 1: where we explore the power of the punchline. Joining us today,

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Speaker 1: can't even believe it is a stand up comedian, an actor, producer, author,

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Speaker 1: comedy writer, comedy historian. Oh yeah, also on the side,

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Speaker 1: a musician, an adjunct professor, and dabbler of podcasts. You've

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Speaker 1: seen him in shows over the decades, from Baywatch and

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Speaker 1: X Files to Curb Your Enthusiasm. It's always Sonny in Philadelphia,

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Speaker 1: Silicon Valley Dummy. I could go on here for the

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Speaker 1: whole hour, but I digress. We are going to be

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Speaker 1: speaking with the Emmy winning amazing man known as Wayne

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Speaker 1: Fetterman next on Comedy Save Me, Don't Move Comedy Saved Me. Right,

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Speaker 1: he feels like he's part of your family. If he

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Speaker 1: feels like he's part of your family, that's because he

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Speaker 1: really he really is. I mean, you've literally seen this

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Speaker 1: man in every television show, movie, and commercials since the

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Speaker 1: early seventies. Comedy or drama, take your pick. All right,

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Speaker 1: it may sound like I'm exaggerating a little bit, but

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Speaker 1: I feel like I can refer to him as a

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Speaker 1: prolific and expert comedic entertainer who once had Jimmy Fallon

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Speaker 1: as his opening act. Wayne Fetterman, Welcome to Comedy Save Me.

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Speaker 1: It's true honor to have you here today.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you. You know, yes, I was doing comedy

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Speaker 3: in junior high school in the early seventies, but I'm

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Speaker 3: not quite that all that. I was born in the

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Speaker 3: forties or something, But thank you. Thank you for the introduction.

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Speaker 3: Very flattering. I love it.

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Speaker 1: It did sound that way. But you ever walk up

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Speaker 1: to somebody or see like a celebrity, even in your

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Speaker 1: own business, that comes by and you've seen them in

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Speaker 1: so many things, sometimes you don't realize it who you

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Speaker 1: think it is. You just think it's family, and so.

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Speaker 3: Course, yes, of course, yes, yes we have this, we

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Speaker 3: have this in common where you're like, I know, is

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Speaker 3: this a person?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Well, you are definitely the perfect guest for this show

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Speaker 1: because you've spent most of your life not just working

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Speaker 1: as an actor and comedian, but also teaching and studying

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Speaker 1: and writing about the fine art and history of stand

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Speaker 1: up comedy. As evidenced in your recent book The History

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Speaker 1: of Stand Up Congratulations, which also turned into a podcast.

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Speaker 1: Just to start us off, I'm curious in your studies

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Speaker 1: as a professor at USC adjunct, did you include your

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Speaker 1: studies in comedy about how it has healing powers for

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Speaker 1: both the givers of the comedy and the receivers, And

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Speaker 1: if so, what did you glean off of this album.

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, they didn't.

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Speaker 3: I just stuck mainly, I know the theme of this

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Speaker 3: show is the power of the comedy. I was more

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Speaker 3: just talking about its evolution and how it went from

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Speaker 3: it is the show like it used to be. Just

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Speaker 3: like the monologists, that's what stand ups were called. We're

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Speaker 3: like part of a variety show. Even before Vaudeville they

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Speaker 3: were doing it, and then eventually people really started gravitating

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Speaker 3: towards what these people were saying. And I think it's

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Speaker 3: just the simplicity of one person standing on stage with

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Speaker 3: mind and they're basically tickling your mind.

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Speaker 2: They're not physically tickling.

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Speaker 3: You, but they're mentally tickling your mind with misdirections and

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Speaker 3: observations and you know, embarrassing stories that you might be

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Speaker 3: able to relate to. So it's a very This is

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Speaker 3: what I love about stand up. It's a very communal

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Speaker 3: I was just thinking about this the other day. I'm

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Speaker 3: been thinking, like I was at a street fair the

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Speaker 3: the band, but the band was cooking, and you could

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Speaker 3: have like the greatest guitar solo you ever do in

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Speaker 3: your life in front of one person or at sound

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Speaker 3: you need the give and take. So it's that human

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is interesting, and you know it's funny you

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Speaker 3: Sense, Like you're sitting on me, you because it's there's

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Speaker 3: a comedian named Dana Gould who would be a great

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Speaker 2: And it's just like it's just great.

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Speaker 3: And he's dealt with like kind of little more mental

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Speaker 3: health issues than I have. And he said that stand

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Speaker 3: up is a conversation, but only one person is talking.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that would be really hard for me because I

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Speaker 1: love to talk obviously. Can you pinpoint, Wanne the moment

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Speaker 1: when you realized that comedy wasn't just something that you enjoyed,

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Speaker 1: but it was something that you needed in your life.

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Speaker 1: Clearly you needed it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, this was my thing.

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Speaker 3: My thing was I enjoyed the attention, the affirmation. Even

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Speaker 3: when I was in high school, I was a funny

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Speaker 3: kid and that's when this whole dream started for me.

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Speaker 2: Really, And there.

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Speaker 3: Were other funny kids in high school, but they were

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Speaker 3: very disruptive, and my goal as a class comedian or

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Speaker 3: something was to make the teachers laugh as well as

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Speaker 3: You could just be you know, incorrigible against the you know,

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Speaker 3: But if I could get the teachers to laugh as well,

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Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, now at least I know I

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Speaker 3: And many teachers encouraged me. But it wasn't like like

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Speaker 3: the name of your podcast really makes me laugh. It

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Speaker 3: makes it sound like, Oh, I was an accountant and

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Speaker 3: I was this drudgery and one night I did a

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Speaker 2: It's not quite like that, but I did want to

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Speaker 1: Well it's you know, it's funny. You said that the

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Speaker 2: I used to do that to my mom.

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Speaker 1: We had to go to bed. I try to make

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all my friends who are super super smart, they

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Speaker 3: And believe it or not, a lot of those disruptor

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're trying to say that you were stupid or something,

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Speaker 2: My point I was, I was not trying to know.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying that that you could also be like a juvenile,

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Speaker 2: And but I unlike.

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Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of stand ups that I

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Speaker 3: But that might have to be because I came from

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Speaker 2: So it's weird. It's weird.

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Speaker 1: How many siblings in the family do we have.

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Speaker 3: But basically there was four kids. I was the youngest,

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Speaker 3: know I needed attention apparently, well I couldn't get it yet.

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Speaker 1: No, that makes that makes a lot of sense. And

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Speaker 1: you know, it's so interesting that you say, that's exact

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Speaker 1: same story of my husband. He was sixteen. But still,

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Speaker 1: it's really a hard thing when you don't know your

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Speaker 3: That I like the way you in the middle of this,

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Speaker 2: It's fun.

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Speaker 2: Are you warmed down? I love it? I love it.

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Speaker 1: Was there a specific a set or show or comedic

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Speaker 1: you knew this was where you needed to be because

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Speaker 1: you've done so much. It's absolutely incredible and mind boggling

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Speaker 1: when I go through your sizzle reel. Yeah, how much

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. No, it's so somebody, Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: I was just trying to get the next thing, like

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Speaker 3: And so there's a slight difference in that. Was there

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Speaker 3: a moment can you ask that question again? Was there

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Speaker 3: a moment I felt like I belonged.

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Speaker 1: That you belonged, like that you had found your niche

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that side of making missus Forresburg laugh.

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Speaker 3: I would say when I was there was like a

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Speaker 2: On those sets.

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Speaker 3: I was playing the ukulele, I was just doing silly stuff,

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Speaker 3: and I was like, Oh, I think I can. I

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Speaker 3: think I can do this because I gave myself ten years.

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Speaker 3: I gave myself my thirties before I would even think

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Speaker 3: of assessing whether this could be a career. I was like,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to give up my ex year until thirty.

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Speaker 3: So my entire twenties, I would give up and to

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Speaker 3: by the my time as twenty seven or twenty eight,

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Speaker 3: it was like making a living. I paid off my

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Speaker 3: I guess I'm part of it. It's so funny you

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Speaker 2: That just like just kept pushing it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, like momentum was going and there'd be setbacks and

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Speaker 2: It's part of being alive.

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Speaker 2: I try not to.

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Speaker 3: It's this weird ritual that's going on with you grunting

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Speaker 1: Do you love making people laugh? Do you love working

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Speaker 2: They don't like it. They just want to think about

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Speaker 1: Oh come on, give it to me please please?

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Speaker 3: And some comedians have an ability like if it goes bad,

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Speaker 3: It's really interestingly, I was never like that. I was always, Oh,

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Speaker 3: And but that's a self defense mechanism for a lot

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Speaker 2: They're like, I'm not going to feel bad.

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Speaker 3: You're going to feel bad because this isn't work even

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Speaker 1: And so what keeps you going in this industry? How

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Speaker 2: Great question?

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Speaker 3: I think one of my skills I got a good

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Speaker 3: It's not immediate, it's not like, oh whatever, that thing,

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Speaker 3: There's no guys weighing out, oh what's fair or anything

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Speaker 3: like that. So that would be to answer your one

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Speaker 3: good question this entire IM kidding.

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Speaker 2: I'm kidding.

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Speaker 3: To answer your I would say my ability to handle yes, yeah.

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Speaker 1: All right. I got another follow up on that. If

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Speaker 1: you're okay with.

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Speaker 2: Course, I love it. Let's follow up.

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Speaker 1: The follow up is, what would you say to a

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Speaker 1: young person who's getting into the industry, who has a

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Speaker 1: difficult time dealing with rejection or you know that they're

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Speaker 1: heading in that direction. What would you say to them?

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Speaker 1: What kind of advice, words of wisdom? Sage adjunct professor.

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Speaker 2: That's good.

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Speaker 1: What would you say?

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Speaker 3: I would try again, I try not like I feel

456
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Speaker 3: like everyone's on their own path and their own way,

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Speaker 3: and just because I did it this way doesn't mean

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Speaker 3: that'll work because obviously the industry changes a little every day.

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Speaker 3: Obviously it's way different now than when I started. I

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Speaker 3: would just say, you know, keep creating. I know, not

461
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Speaker 3: to take a person I don't know, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Well, this is this is what's coming

463
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Speaker 3: into my head. Is a sidebark, because I really feel

464
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Speaker 3: like younger people have way better connection and ability and

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Speaker 3: tools to deal with negative feedback because of the Internet. Like,

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Speaker 3: I know people that like, they think it's funny when

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Speaker 3: they get hate comments on their TikTok or x videos

468
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Speaker 3: or Instagram videos. They think it's funny. Others even think

469
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Speaker 3: it's great. It's like, that's how you build an audience.

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Speaker 3: You have to have some people that hate you and

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Speaker 3: some people love you. They fight, and that adds to

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Speaker 3: your you know, your outdoing or something. Yeah, yeah, the

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Speaker 3: number of impressions you make. I'm sure you know this

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Speaker 3: world something I don't know any So I actually would

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Speaker 3: do with the other I think I think I could get

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Speaker 3: advice from young people on how they deal with just,

477
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Speaker 3: you know, making fun of whatever.

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Speaker 2: You're most vulnerable about it.

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Speaker 3: The way you look, the way you sound, your material,

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Speaker 3: you're not funny, all of that. I actually think usually

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Speaker 3: younger people are way better at handling that than I am.

482
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Speaker 3: They're just like, oh, I think it's funny that I

483
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Speaker 3: have haters, and I'm like, oh, well, I'm not that

484
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Speaker 3: fox skin these days. I'm not that evolved. I'm a

485
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Speaker 3: sensitive first, and I think you can tell.

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Speaker 4: We'll be right back with more of the Comedy Save

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Speaker 4: Me Podcast. Welcome back to the Comedy Save Me Podcast.

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Speaker 1: You had this recurring role on one of my all

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Speaker 1: time favorite shows on HBO called Curb Your Enthusiasm. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And I always wanted to know how, I mean, was

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Speaker 1: the whole thing ab lived? Did you just get bullet points?

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Speaker 1: And how do you go up against these titans of

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Speaker 1: television and comedy and add lib and feel confident about it?

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Speaker 1: I mean that that must have been. Was that harder

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Speaker 1: than doing a stand up show?

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Speaker 2: No?

497
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Speaker 3: Much easier, much easier. How because stand up show it's

498
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Speaker 3: all on you. It's like the whole thing. You get

499
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Speaker 3: all the acclaim and you get all the blame like

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Speaker 3: ite's I know that that rhymes.

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Speaker 2: I just came up with that.

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Speaker 3: So that is the you know, the high wire act

503
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Speaker 3: that stand up comedy, like you are up there, just

504
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Speaker 3: so you know, human beings' biggest fear is standing on

505
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 3: stage talking to an audience, like more than death, more

506
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Speaker 3: than dying in a plane crash, any of them drowning,

507
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 3: it's that that's human beings. And then to add another

508
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Speaker 3: level when of expectation that you need to elicit laughter.

509
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,239
Speaker 3: Now we're talking about a level or people are just

510
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 3: how many times, I mean, people always come up to

511
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Speaker 3: me and like, I don't know how anyone could possibly do.

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Speaker 2: It all right, Well you don't have to.

513
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Speaker 3: Luckily you don't thank you for pain to come to

514
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Speaker 3: the show. So uh so back to curb your enthusiasm.

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00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 3: That's much easier. Yes, you nailed it. You answered your

516
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 3: own question. This is your second best question because I

517
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 3: don't have to do anything. I just have to nod.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: There is bullet points of what has to happen in

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Speaker 3: the scene, and no lines of dialogue are written at all.

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Speaker 3: All you all you have to do is just listen

522
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Speaker 3: and react. That's all you have to do in Curb

523
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Speaker 3: your enthusiasm.

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Speaker 1: See, that would horrify me because I would be so

525
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Speaker 1: worried that it wouldn't be good or up to par.

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Speaker 1: And then what does Larry say to you? If you

527
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Speaker 1: don't really give him what he wants? You have to

528
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Speaker 1: do that over again the scene.

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Speaker 3: We do it over and over and he's like each time,

530
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Speaker 3: he's like, do more of that, do less of that.

531
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Speaker 3: But he kind of liked what I was doing, right,

532
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Speaker 3: I sort of had an angle on how to play

533
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Speaker 3: this character Dean Weinstock, and so which was I want

534
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Speaker 3: to be the worst person in the world, but under

535
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Speaker 3: the guise of a nice person like what they go

536
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Speaker 3: passive aggressive, So that was like, that was just like

537
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Speaker 3: my angle, and it was working right from the start.

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Speaker 2: Luckily. I don't know what would have happened if he.

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Speaker 3: Had been like, oh, this is not what we wanted

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Speaker 3: at all. I mean, I guess there was that possibility,

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Speaker 3: So I don't know. I just thought it was easy,

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Speaker 3: actually much easier to me than acting when you have

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Speaker 3: lines that are written, because then I'm kind of worried

544
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Speaker 3: that I'm going to forget the lines.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even think of that at all, think.

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Speaker 2: A little bit. Please please sorry, no love of God.

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Speaker 1: I love, I love.

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Speaker 2: Beat me up. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm gonna get

550
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Speaker 2: bad review. Yeah, so I have. I don't know. You've

551
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Speaker 2: acted right occasionally not. Yeah, but it's like when.

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Speaker 3: You act, you have to say these lines the same

553
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Speaker 3: way and make it sound like you're thinking of them

554
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Speaker 3: at the time, and it's.

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Speaker 1: Oh, oh yeah. I'm a voiceover artist as well. I

556
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Speaker 1: do imaging for like hundreds of stations in radio and

557
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Speaker 1: television and stuff, so I guess that would be my

558
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Speaker 1: acting because I have to read lines and sound important.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but but I'm saying on camera if you don't

561
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Speaker 3: have the line right in front of you want to stand?

562
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Speaker 3: Do you clip it on or do you what's your

563
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Speaker 3: what's your technique my microphone? Yeah no, I mean I'm

564
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Speaker 3: talking about the copy you have to read.

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Speaker 1: Oh my technique is I try to be like Don

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Speaker 1: la Fontaine and just do one take. It never works

567
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Speaker 1: out that way, though, I like I try to just

568
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Speaker 1: read cold and just go through the lines and react

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Speaker 1: as I naturally am reading it, as opposed to thinking

570
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Speaker 1: about it too much.

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Speaker 2: Well, what a legend that dude. You should drive around

572
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Speaker 2: in that limo to gig take? Oh my god, I know,

573
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Speaker 2: in the.

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Speaker 3: World, in a world time, in the world. So so

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Speaker 3: that's it. So, yes, I found it very Actually I

576
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Speaker 3: didn't find it that challenge. I mean, I was thrilled

577
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Speaker 3: at the situation I thought was funny, and and I'd

578
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Speaker 3: known Larry when he was doing stand ups, so I

579
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: had already known the guy, so it wasn't like it

580
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Speaker 3: wasn't unknown.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: All right. So last question, and my god, I'm starting

583
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Speaker 1: to get a little anxiety because what I do question?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: If comedy hadn't found you, where do you think you

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Speaker 1: would be today, What do you think you would be doing?

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Speaker 1: Actually this is second to last question because I want more.

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Speaker 3: You can do. You can do two bonus. We're in

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Speaker 3: the wing, going to the bonus round. I don't care,

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Speaker 3: all right, I have a hunch it would be close

591
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Speaker 3: to what I'm doing now, which is I teach this

592
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Speaker 3: history of stand up class at USC based on my book.

593
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Speaker 3: But I've I always kind of liked history. It might

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Speaker 3: have been it might have been like stayed in school

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Speaker 3: and become a teacher or something. I like, you know,

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Speaker 3: I know that sounds creepy, but I like kids. I

597
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Speaker 3: like their energy. I just it's you know, it's fun.

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Speaker 1: It's creepy about that. I feel the same. I just

599
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Speaker 1: said to my husband the other day. It's like, let's

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Speaker 1: go to dinner with the neighbors. They're like in their

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Speaker 1: early thirties, they have four kids. They're so upbeat. It

602
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Speaker 1: feels so great to be around them. You know, there's

603
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Speaker 1: you know, there's something to that.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm curious where do you live? Where do

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Speaker 2: you live? You don't have to tell me the exact street,

606
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Speaker 2: but like.

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Speaker 1: I'm in Connecticut. Oh, I was originally from Boston. Oh,

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Speaker 1: so I went to New York and then I ended

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Speaker 1: up here like an Asella kid.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much, Asella Dweller, I get it.

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Speaker 2: Say I know that world a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Wait what world were we just talking about?

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Speaker 2: No, you were talking about kids.

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Speaker 3: I said that I like kids and that I think

616
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Speaker 3: sometimes that sounds creepy, but it's true. I was a

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Speaker 3: camp counselor and still friends with some of the kids

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Speaker 3: that I was the counselor of years ago. Like it

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Speaker 3: was called Racket Lake boys Camp. There was a Racket Lake.

620
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Speaker 3: There's a boy's camp and lake and girls camp. On

621
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Speaker 3: the other side.

622
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Speaker 2: They had socials.

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Speaker 3: It was so it was like it was like Norman

624
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Speaker 3: Rockwell created this place. It's up in the Adirondack Mountains.

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Speaker 3: No ragweed sometimes I have that allergy.

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Speaker 1: Oh you meant the smoking kind. I didn't know.

627
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, see I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm the king of at again.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I get I get Do I look like

630
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Speaker 2: a dope fiend to you?

631
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Speaker 1: Do? I just occasionally, what Wayne, what do you think

632
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Speaker 1: the world would be like without comedy?

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Speaker 3: In a weird way, because I know you also do

634
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Speaker 3: the music one Craig Yes, yes, yes, and as much

635
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Speaker 3: as I love comedy and I've dedicated my life to it.

636
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 3: I really think music as a human artistic form, despite

637
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 3: the fact that it's not a give and take, is

638
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 3: maybe more healing than comedy. And let me tell you why.

639
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 3: Because after nine to eleven they did a concert on television,

640
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 3: a live concert, and no one wanted to hear from comedians,

641
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 3: But we did want to hear from Tom Petty and

642
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 3: other you know, singing singing, because that like touches our souls,

643
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 3: touches our soul in a way that comedy is more

644
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Speaker 3: about the mind. I think music is more about the soul,

645
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Speaker 3: not that there's nothing some and some comedians Gary Goldman,

646
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Speaker 3: I'm looking at you and Maria Bamford, they go into

647
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Speaker 3: that world that but I do feel like music does.

648
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Speaker 3: And that's why when you go to see a musician,

649
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: you want to hear the songs that you heard before

650
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Speaker 3: that connected with you. Whereas you go to see comedian,

651
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 3: if they do a bit they did ten years ago,

652
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Speaker 3: you're like, can you write.

653
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Speaker 2: Something new, please? Please, sir.

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Speaker 3: It's one hundred percent true. You have to have you

655
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Speaker 3: have to have new material all the time. And with music,

656
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: they're like, please, Paul play a Jude. Let it be

657
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Speaker 3: Lady Madonna, thank you, thank you, thank you. And if

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Speaker 3: you were comedian and you want to see I don't

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Speaker 3: know gaff again or you know Mulaney and he was

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Speaker 3: doing his subway bit that he did from fifteen years ago,

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Speaker 3: I don't think you'd be that. Yeah, maybe they'd be

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Speaker 3: fans like, oh, I love this bit, but it's it's

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Speaker 3: a different kind of thing. I know this is so philosophical.

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Speaker 3: I hope I'm not too much into the weeds on this.

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Speaker 1: No, I appreciate. It's a very refreshing take because it's

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Speaker 1: it's very different than other interviews I've done with comedians.

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Speaker 1: So I love hearing a totally different angle. I tend

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Speaker 1: to be more on like the agreeable side with you,

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Speaker 1: because when people ask me about stuff that I do,

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Speaker 1: I'm always like, so unimpressed. I don't know what I'm doing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to affects people. I'm not trying to.

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Speaker 1: I'm just kind of doing what makes me feel good.

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Speaker 1: And you know, but the success that you've had, it's

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Speaker 1: a lot, and obviously you've been so busy. Sometimes we

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Speaker 1: get so busy working all of a sudden, it's like

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Speaker 1: ten years ago by and you're like, what happened? You know,

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Speaker 1: what do I need to get caught up on because

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Speaker 1: I'm so into what I'm doing. But I just disagree

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Speaker 1: with you about the feeling because.

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Speaker 3: You feel like stay, you feel like comedy is more

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Speaker 3: for the soul than for the mind.

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Speaker 1: I just think that when you hear that song or

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Speaker 1: that you've had incredible belly laughs, it's the same feeling

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Speaker 1: that you just feel healed in some way.

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Speaker 2: Maybe.

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously people get there's some Cathartis experience going

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Speaker 3: on with comedy when you're just losing it and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean.

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Speaker 3: That that is true. So maybe maybe I'm underselling comedy.

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Speaker 2: A little bit. I just think of it.

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Speaker 3: I think of it a little more as a less elevate.

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Speaker 3: I know this sounds horrible because I've dedicated my whole life,

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Speaker 3: you know, my few hours, as I like to say,

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Speaker 3: here on this planet.

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Speaker 2: To this. It's a good question. This is a good question.

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Speaker 2: I guess for some.

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Speaker 3: People, comedy is obviously healing and reinvigorating and life affirming,

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Speaker 3: right of course, of course.

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Speaker 2: But to the level of music, I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, all right. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's not there's no right or wrong obviously,

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Speaker 3: it's just wayn with the stupid opinions.

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Speaker 1: Well, Wayne, are you going to be teaching anytime soon

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Speaker 1: a class at USC but little college out in California? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: anytime soon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be the next week.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, well, I think you should add to your syllabus.

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Speaker 2: Tell me, I think you should add on.

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Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on, I got the paper. Let me

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Speaker 3: write this down.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not going to be that or shattering.

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Speaker 2: I just use by the way I use the Flair pen.

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Speaker 2: Are you familiar with this?

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Speaker 1: Did you do a commercial for that one time?

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Speaker 2: No? No, I've never seen a flare pen commercial.

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Speaker 1: I don't have a flare pen.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what? It is very hard to come.

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Speaker 1: It's really good.

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Speaker 2: What do you use? What do you use? What is that?

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Speaker 1: This pencils JC mobile Auto?

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Speaker 2: It's a promotional pen. Okay, a little different world.

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Speaker 1: No, I think that in all seriousness, What if you

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Speaker 1: studied a little bit of the physical effects, the scientific

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Speaker 1: effects of the power of comedy?

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, you know, can you Is there any sort

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Speaker 3: of research on that? Is there any sort of science

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Speaker 3: research it?

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Speaker 1: Now? No?

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Speaker 2: No, no, No.

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Speaker 3: I thought you were like, oh, you have to study

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Speaker 3: brendel Burg's paper where he talked about it.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a scientist could come in, like somebody who does

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Speaker 1: study the effects of laughter and human body.

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Speaker 3: Okay, could be like take you in a whole new

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Speaker 3: direction you never even thought of. I'm writing, I wrote

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Speaker 3: it down. Yes, I think it's a good idea.

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Speaker 2: Of course. Of course.

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Speaker 1: Well on that note, don't they always say you should

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Speaker 1: go out on top?

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Speaker 3: I always heard you leave them wanting more, but you

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Speaker 3: say go out on top?

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Speaker 1: All right? Going out on top? Well, just in your eyes, Wayne,

743
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Speaker 1: because I do want to leave you with good feelings

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Speaker 1: because I am such a huge fan and I'm so

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Speaker 1: grateful to have spent this time, and you're just so

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Speaker 1: easy and disarming to talk to, and you're like just

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Speaker 1: normal kind of guy who's been in probably every television

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Speaker 1: show and commercial and movie I've ever watched. So I

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Speaker 1: really do appreciate the time.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for reaching out.

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00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 3: I know this was this was like a month ago

752
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 3: we were going to do this and we kept missing

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Speaker 3: each other and stuff, So thank you for making time.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Wayne Fetterman from South Plantation High School,

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Speaker 3: South Plantation Florida exactly.

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Speaker 1: If you want to know everything about Wayne, just go

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Speaker 1: to Waynefetterman dot com and you will just laugh and

758
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: you will just be taken down memory lane and see

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Speaker 1: all of his incredible work and what he continues to do.

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Speaker 1: What else can we look for for you in the

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Speaker 1: future here.

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Speaker 2: Well, I would say two things.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I'm also my favorite credit outside of

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Speaker 3: Curb is there's a movie called Legally Blonde, which I

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Speaker 3: am in.

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Speaker 1: Of course, one of my favorites too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's no joke. Though. If you were to stand here

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Speaker 1: and just say the name of everything that you have

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Speaker 1: worked on, I would have to time it because it

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00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: would go on for a long time and you don't

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Speaker 1: look old enough. So that's another crazy thing we can

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Speaker 1: talk about next time. Thank you, Thank you, Wayne Betderman.

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Speaker 3: That's it, And there's going to be an updated version

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Speaker 3: of the History of stand Up that's coming out January fifteenth.

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Speaker 3: I've added a new chapter because I ended it right

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Speaker 3: during COVID, which was around two thousand, so now there's

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Speaker 3: been another five years of stand up fantastic.

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Speaker 1: So are you going to have that as a podcast

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Speaker 1: as well?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I do do a podcast, yes,

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Speaker 3: I mean, but basically it's the book. Basically it's the

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Speaker 3: book and the audio book. I have never released it

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Speaker 3: as an audiobook, so I'm going to be doing what

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Speaker 3: you do, staying in front of a mike reading thing there.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. We'll enjoy and if you need a stand in,

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to do it.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're too nice. You're too nice.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Wayne Petterman for being on Comedy Save Me,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see you next time. Maybe you come on

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Speaker 1: Music Save Me and we can talk about your musical

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Speaker 1: career now is.

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Speaker 3: Not as deep as obviously my comedy career. Thank you

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Speaker 3: so much, all right, thank you again, Thank you again,