WEBVTT - Patriots Dynasty Doc Recap, Episodes 7 & 8 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.280 Some of the content in this podcast may not be 0:00:02.360 --> 0:00:03.760 suitable for all audiences. 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:05.800 Listener discretion is advised. 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:11.039 Welcome to another episode of The Dynasty Wrap Up Show, 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:15.239 and we're here to discuss debate episodes seven and eight 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:18.640 of The Dynasty. The ten part documentary event The Dynasty 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:22.639 New England Patriots is streaming now exclusively on Apple TV Plus. 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:27.120 Mike do So, Fred Kersh, Paul Froller, myself, Matt Smith. Fred. 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:28.600 We're going to start with you out of the chute. 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:33.479 Did you have Rupert Murdoch on your bingo card to 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:35.400 be the first voice heard in episode seven? 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:40.519 No, I didn't, and I was a little surprised. It's 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:43.960 a good story, you know, one that everyone knows the 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:48.199 details of, so and I questioned the use of it. 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:50.280 And the reason why is there's been a lot of 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:55.520 criticism of the director glossing over Super Bowls, you know, 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:59.440 two and three, And I get it, you know, I 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:02.200 understand why they glossed over that, because they're really kind 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:05.160 of telling a story of how the Dynasty was creating it. 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:08.880 But it's hard for me to justify that and then say, well, 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:11.440 why did you put that story in there? You know 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.280 that had nothing to do with the the growth of 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:17.120 the dynasty or the breakup of the dynasty. So while 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.840 it's a good story, I think it was you know, 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:22.800 just maybe somebody said, hey, why don't you put this in? 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:27.240 So Mike, yeah, Fred says, well, we all know the story. Okay, 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.119 you weren't here at the time. Okay, did everybody? Does 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:32.640 everybody know that story? Or is that something that that 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:34.080 that kind of a story is going to appeal to 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:34.759 a wider audience. 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:35.959 Yeah, I knew. I knew the story. 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:36.440 You know. 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:38.480 It was interesting to hear Robert tell it, and I guess, 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:40.640 you know, at the time, it seemed a little bit strange, 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:42.039 like what are they setting up here? And I think 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:44.240 once we got to the end of the episode, the 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:45.880 way it kind of fit in for me was like 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:48.680 the Patriots have become more than just a football team. Now, 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.760 this is like a global brand that is now interacting 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.120 with you know, the president of Russia, and you know 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:57.120 Rupert Murdoch, who's a billionaire, and you know another media 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:58.840 owner as well. You know, I guess that's what it 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:00.480 was kind of getting at. It was a little jarring 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:02.800 at first, like, oh my gosh, Ruper murdocks here, But 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:04.920 you know, I do think it's an interesting story, So 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:06.000 it didn't bump me totally. 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:07.040 I kind of see there. 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:08.960 Trying if you've got time to My point is, if 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.600 you've got time to tell that story, maybe you have 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:14.480 time to talk a little bit about absolutely. Second, that's 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.320 no question about you know, that's that's the only reason 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:19.119 why I think it's a good story. 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.160 Yeah, yeah, And I do think that the time that 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.960 it took to tell it was interesting. Obviously they're telling you, 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:28.200 like Mike said, the spotlight's on this team and everybody's 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:30.519 watching every move and it's sort of setting up to 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:33.960 flake Gate, right that the next you know, great tragedy 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:37.600 in Patriots history, and they're trying to get to maybe 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.600 how this all came about because there was so much 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.200 scrutiny and there was so much of the they hate 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:45.919 us because they ain't us kind of mentality that when 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.680 they got that little glimpse of the flake. But are 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.120 they doing something again, here we go and I think 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:53.760 they're trying to say, this is how big they were 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.360 that everybody was talking about with the Patriots all the time, 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:00.200 so every little bit about the team was noteworthy for everybody. 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:02.560 So I mentioned I mean I didn't, you know, like 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:04.480 I said, it could have been done in two minutes. 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.200 I mentioned to Paul off the air, and of course 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.840 is accusing me of being a nerd, so guilty as charge. 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:12.760 But the one thing that they kind of played off 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:15.760 of that, which I thought was an interesting segment, was 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:18.960 they used a song not familiar with called all Eyes 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:22.560 on Me, and they they really amplified the point. They 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:26.520 showed Brady and Giselle, they showed Bill and Linda premiere 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:28.600 that they showed Robert, and I just thought that was 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:32.959 really well done, like all Eyes on Me. Yes, yes, 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:34.560 and that's how what the Patriots are. 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.960 Oh, that was a great montage. Yeah, that was really good. Yeah, 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:41.360 and you know, it brought back such memories like we're 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.840 in the middle of it at the time, but yeah, 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:47.040 I mean it was all Patriots, all the time, Giselle 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:50.360 and Bill and you know, the Crafts and you know 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:53.640 you were at the top, right, you were at you know, 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:55.480 Mount Olympus. 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.080 So see, for me, like the perspective I had is 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:00.240 that was among the most miserable times. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.160 For me because you're in the middle of ten years. 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:05.440 No, you're in ten years without a Super Bowl at 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:07.880 that point, and yes they were on top of the world, 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.960 but it was also incredibly disappointing. Oh seven, oh eight, 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:15.880 oh nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, you know, all those 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:19.120 years as a fan, it was devastating. And yes they 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.800 were on top of the world like that, but there 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.520 was also a lot of like time is running out 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:26.719 on this team, and as a fan, you know, and 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.600 we'll get to eventually Super Bowl forty nine, but you know, 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:33.039 that was to me the kind of culmination of all 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:35.560 that suffering that you'd had for ten years. So for 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:37.800 me it was, yes, it was nice, but I also 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:40.400 felt as a fan like, I'm not really this wasn't 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:42.200 really like, oh, aren't the Patriots great right now? 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.200 Like that was year after year of frustration. 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:48.120 So that's great because that's the outside the organization, because 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.880 the three of us were obviously embedded. We were here 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:54.440 and Mike wasn't at the time. But that sort of illustrates, 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:57.480 I think probably why they chose to go into that 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.359 with that montage, to show all the spotlight this in 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:03.480 the scrutiny this team was under. Mike was a huge 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.400 Patriots fan and he was growing tired of not winning. 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:14.760 A championships of any other team would have died exactly. 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.559 This is my point of how you can understand why 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.800 Deflake took on the life that it did because everybody 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:25.120 was so sick of this smug organization that went to 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:28.520 AFC Championship games and it wasn't good enough for someone 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.400 you put the finger. I mean, I think that does sort. 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.800 Of and for us, at least for me, and I 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:38.359 think Tom Brady would share the deflay Gate was we 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.640 have to defend our honor. Who's on you? No? But 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:43.880 I mean like it was like, okay, we're back on 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.800 the wall. Defend the wall. You know, they're trying to 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:50.080 tear us down again. You know, as a lot of 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:54.120 the people in the documentary said, Jackie, this is a nothing, 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:57.480 but it was the Patriots, so it became a huge thing. 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:00.599 So let's get to that. Okay, this is the episode 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:03.280 there were the majority of the time was spent on 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:07.760 the Flakegate and Mike, let's go to the outside person first. 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:08.960 Did you learn anything? 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.320 Was there any new ground uncovered in your opinion as 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:13.320 they went through this story? 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:14.479 No, No, there wasn't. 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:16.560 I mean, and if anything, I felt like, you know, 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:18.840 the it was surprising to me because what we've been 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:20.760 hearing kind of from the fans, is that this is 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.400 you know that the organization's view of this, and I 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:25.679 felt like the organization's point of view, with how vehemently 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.640 they fought against this, was not included. And you know, 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.320 I go back to, you know, things that we talked 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.640 about with you know, going back to the Jets game 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.560 where they over pumped the balls and Brady was pissed 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:38.600 and that led to him talking to his guys, and 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:40.520 you know, so I think that for me, there was 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:44.239 a lot more context there of it felt kind of jarring, 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.200 I guess in a way. And I almost wrote down like, 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:50.120 in the context of this episode, four game suspension felt 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.360 light to me, and like when it said four game suspension, 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:53.799 I go, that's all he got. 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:55.719 But then all of a sudden, the wheel kind of 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:56.280 turned and you have. 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:59.160 Jackie Max saying what you said, Fred, that it was 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.160 a kind of a farce, and like, when did that happen? 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.120 Because right now, the way it's been kind of portrayed 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:05.840 is that this was serious. Well that's that they were 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:07.000 cheaters and they really did. 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.040 There were a lot of contradictions by the people in 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:13.239 the documentary, like Goodell, for example, I have the utmost 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.880 respect and admiration for Tom Brady, Yet I just called 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.760 him a cheater and a liar. That doesn't make sense 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.640 to me. And the and like you said, the way 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.240 the NFL treated this and everything, I think they got 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:28.840 off four game suspension is getting off easy compared to 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:31.680 how they framed this thing. You know, this was like 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:33.480 dragged on for two years. 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:35.760 That was surprised. It was surprising and surprise myself and. 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:38.280 Like not thinking forward and knowing what was coming and 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:39.960 just and then he got a four game suspension and 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:40.800 I was thinking of it. 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:42.440 Like that's it. That's all he got that. You know, 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:43.240 it's strange. 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.320 So, Paul, do you think and I don't want to 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.240 put words into your mouth, but do you how do 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:49.440 you think it was handled when you ultimately saw it 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.200 as one who lived through it? How do you think 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:59.880 that the people who created this ultimately presented to. 0:07:56.760 --> 0:08:00.520 And presented as a joke. I thought, Tom, I'm current, 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:03.680 you know, when he starts off and he's he's got 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:07.000 that sort of tongue in cheek kind of look, you know, 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.240 and it's kind of a Tom Curran smirk. I like 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.000 to call it. I tease him about it. 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:11.520 All the time. 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:13.880 But you know, he starts off with a you know, 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.840 they were tipped off by Baltimore and the NFL was 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:20.080 looped in through an email like all this stuff, Like, 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.000 so what are you saying like they didn't do it, 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:24.880 like it was only because they had it out for 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.960 them or like, and then you sort of go through 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:30.320 it and Jackie mcmollin, as Red and Mike already talked 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.040 about this is a big nothing burger. I've always said 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:35.480 that the four game suspension to me seemed ludicrous. The 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:39.040 punishment was was was way too harsh. But I would 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.040 have liked to have gotten some answers from some of 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.880 the people involved as to exactly what happened. I'm sure 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:45.720 that they made efforts to try to get in touch 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:49.000 with like say McNally and just Stremski, but the principles 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:51.240 involved in this weren't talked about. 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:51.520 Yet. 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:54.520 We get to see David Portnoy at the at the 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.440 headquarters with that farce of a thing for Barstool. 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.560 I mean, this is going, you know, deeper than actually 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.400 a documentary went. But there's an old saying it's not 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.520 the crime, it's the cover up. And I think the 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.200 fact that Brady destroyed his cell phone and you know, 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.440 just wouldn't let it go. That made it worse. 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:15.720 That was a clever That was a funny clip they 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:19.600 put together of Affleck with Bill Simmons, then Matt Damon, 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:20.199 I think with. 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.800 You know, one of the Late Night Rich Island Rich Eyes, 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:24.320 and then Bill Bill Burr. 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.280 Was was very funny and that's exactly what Bill Burr says, 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:29.360 you get suspended because he wouldn't give him their phone, 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.000 you know. So I do think there was parts of 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:33.760 it that I thought they put together, Like you talked 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:37.360 about the montage early that I thought that sequence of 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.560 the Boston like that really encapsulated the Boston fan. 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.160 These three guys, I'll tell you what was great and 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:45.439 just helps sort of put it in perspective a little bit. 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.559 Is we're all now saying I think that it was 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:50.640 kind of a joke, okay, and maybe that can be 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:54.440 said a little bit with time and in hindsight. I 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:57.120 thought the use of al Michaels and the clip that 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:01.000 they had from the jimbal Cash Show and where he's 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.160 talking about he goes, yeah, that was the lead story 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:04.920 on the newscast and I oh, by the way, in 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:05.920 other news. 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.319 You know, the government of just you know, like you 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:09.599 guys are getting. 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:12.719 We're gonna lead with the flight end and he goes 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:14.800 in other news. 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:17.400 Right, But that was just a jarring switch to me 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.520 because I mean, look, this team was going to the 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:22.079 super Bowl. This is the integrity of the most popular 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.440 sport in the world that was going on. So you know, look, 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:26.800 it's you always operate from a sense that we're working 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.000 in sports and it's not you know, any of those 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.280 more serious things. But again, that that was just kind 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.400 of tonally. The tonal shift didn't really match up. 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.840 Whether I would have loved to have seen the same 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:40.280 thing happen but in week one and what would have 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:41.199 been the result. 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:43.240 Yeah, And I just say two, Fred, I thought you, 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:44.760 I thought you had a good line while we were 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:45.120 watching it. 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.120 You said, so no interception, no deflake eight. 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:49.200 Is that what they're implying like if they had never 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:52.000 gotten their hands on a ball, would would be like darn, 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:53.240 you know, we have no way to prove it. 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:54.560 Uh. 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:57.040 And that all led to and and I thought it 0:10:57.080 --> 0:11:00.599 was candled well like did I can't remember who the 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:04.480 person was that said it, but maybe it was Peter King. 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.079 Although we don't see him. This is the biggest game 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:10.280 of Tom Brady's life at that point in time. You know, 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.120 you had the Stephen A. Smith saying is for his legacy? 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.600 I never heard he's got to win the game. Wasn't 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.360 his legacy kind of in a decent spot at that point. 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:21.160 In time, So like just out of curiosity. So let's 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:23.080 say he goes out there and he plays a football 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:27.280 game and Pete Carroll doesn't have an aneurysm with thirty 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:29.160 seconds left and he hands the ball to Marshawn Lynch. 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:30.600 That changes Tom Brady's. 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:31.560 Legacy right right. 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:33.880 If Marshawn Lynch scores a touchdown at the two yard 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.240 line of the one yard wherever he was, Like, that's 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:39.520 an indictment on Brady. Now like the Stephen A. Smith drama, 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:41.679 And listen, that's Stephen A. 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:42.520 Smith. He's manly. 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:44.600 Who am I to said? He's made a career, a 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:47.319 very lucrative one out of doing exactly what he did. 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:49.840 I just I think sometimes we look these some of 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.560 these points come up on the on the episodes that 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:55.280 we've watched, and I sort of left to saying, was 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:56.280 it really like that? 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:57.160 Yeah? 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:59.720 Like was it real? Like did anybody really think that 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:01.840 Tom Brady was going to be considered a fraud if 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:02.520 they lost. 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:05.280 That well, I know, but I think, to me, I 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:10.000 think that the documentary is doing a good job painting 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.880 a picture of what Brady's mindset might have been like 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:16.760 as we get to the end of the dynasty, beginning 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:20.120 with perhaps being thrown under the bus by his coach, 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:22.880 and then, you know, I don't want to get too 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.080 far ahead of ourselves with the other things that happened, 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:29.040 but all these things built up. You know, why am 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.320 I being questioned about to flay Kate? You know, like, 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:34.480 doesn't anyone believe me when I say I'm not lying? 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.640 You know, Like, and then they go back to you know, 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:40.840 you know, we'll see they do go back to Michigan 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.240 and show how he had to fight, you know, against 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:46.319 Drew Henson there, Like all these little things are adding 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:50.280 up in Tom Brady's mind that nobody believes in me. Really, 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:54.240 even at this point, I still have to fight for 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.720 whether it's how good I am or my name my word, 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:01.079 you know, and. 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.719 The stuff that the documentary to have heard him say, 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:05.960 stuff like yeah, he didn't, you know, And that's and 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:07.640 I think at the time I was probably a little 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:09.480 bit like a la la la la, I don't want 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:09.840 to hear it. 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.079 But watching it now with a little bit more perspective 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:15.600 and getting to hear Bill say, what, you know, what 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:17.320 you pointed out, you have to talk to kind of 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.480 the quarterback on that, and then seeing Brady kind of 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:23.160 squirm up there and not look well rehearsed that that 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:25.200 was I think it's maybe just the distance I've had 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:27.240 from it that context, it did seem like it jarred me. 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.480 They do talk about it about the Mortensen report and 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.200 how that was debunked, but at the time of that 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:37.120 press conference, it was it was known by everyone or 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:39.800 believed by everyone, that eleven of the twelve balls were 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:43.679 drastically underway. That was still wasn't the case. So Belichick 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.800 went out there thinking that was fact, Brady went out 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:50.080 there thinking that was fact, and with no answers to. 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.320 That, and there was no mention of the I believe 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:54.400 there was a second Bill press conference, wasn't there. 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.959 Where they said we went into experiment that kind of thing. 0:13:58.040 --> 0:13:59.240 So no mention of that as well. 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:01.000 Again that and I goes back to my other point 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:04.000 of I think they really downplayed the Patriots pushback on 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:04.600 this whole thing. 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:06.600 Well, right, they got into the but they didn't talk 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:08.439 about the Wells report in contact with me. 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.200 And so just as we pivot from episode seven to 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:15.120 episode eight, they win super Bowl forty nine and another 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.840 nerd moment for me and with a little bit of pride. 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:23.520 One of the great shots captured internally by this organization 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.880 is the shot behind Tom Brady scoreboard is in the 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:32.080 foreground and he's watching as oh, they're going into score 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:36.440 and Butler picks the ball off and our cameras behind 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.680 the bench are capturing him jumping up and down. And 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.200 you want to talk about, like, what's your choice there 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:43.760 is if you're a camera person, who are you going 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:44.080 to pick? 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:44.520 The choose? 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:47.320 And the choice was let's stay on Tom. I think 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.880 that shot paid off. Yeah, And I think that decision paid. 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:53.200 I think that's an iconic shot. It's an unbelievable last forever. Yeah. 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.120 Yeah, I thought they did a pretty good job covering 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:55.560 that game. 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:58.280 But I would just say overall, this episode felt a 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:01.200 little tedious to me and was kind of dragging, and 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.240 I just you know, I didn't really feel the Hernandez episode. 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:05.360 I watched it twice. 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:09.200 It moved, I you know, felt invested consistently, and this one, 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:10.800 I think, you know, what I'm finding with this series, 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:12.680 what I most enjoy and that's what I most enjoyed 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.240 with generally, is the behind the scenes stuff, Bill talking 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.920 to the team, Tom talking to the team, the old footage. 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.200 Anytime there's any of that stuff, I love it. 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:20.760 Highlights. 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.360 We seen him a hundred times. But this episode to me, 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:25.400 a lot of deflake Gate really kind of drags. 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.680 I'm with Mike. I thought the raw emotion that they 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.040 did capture, you know, and some of the stuff was 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.240 probably you guys too, you know, Matt, like you know, 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.200 and I know we've seen it. But Brady's interaction with 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:38.880 Malcolm Butler, you know, phenomenal, That's that's great, phenomenal, you know. 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.400 And then they have Butler and what does Butler say? 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.040 That meant as much to me as anything that happened 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:48.080 to saying that, like that's what Tom Brady's stature was 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:48.880 at the time, and. 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.760 Knowing and him talking about how he felt before the play, 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.240 like I just let up that pass even though. 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:56.320 Even I had nothing to do with it. 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:58.880 But he felt like if we lose, this is gonna 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:00.840 be my fall and I'm not going to get another 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.240 chance to go in there, right, and then he gets 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:04.000 another chance. 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.720 So let's move on to episode eight, Okay, and right 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:11.720 out of the shoot, we're going to highlight the second 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:15.160 round draft pick in the twenty fourteen draft, Jimmy Garoppolo. 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:17.680 And so now you see where the story is starting 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:21.640 to go. I think Robert Kraft mentions the fact that 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.920 is told to him by Coach Belichick as they were 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:27.640 looking at the pick. We have to be ready to 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:31.600 move on the very famous Bill Belichick quote in the 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:37.120 press conference, Paul, everybody knows what Tom's contract status in ages. 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:40.600 Yeah, and you know he talked about that right off 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.720 the go, and I thought Robert saying that he felt 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.080 like it was a statement from Bill Belichick. Yeah, the 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:50.080 drafting of Garoppolo in and of itself was a statement. 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:53.880 And we always ask what did you learn? And this 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.800 first time I've heard that. You know, in this Robert says, 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.680 Bill came to me and told me about his passes 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:03.320 over twenty yards and how he's deep, which some of. 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:06.760 That stuff you've seen sprinkled into some of these stories 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:10.280 that are like the Seth Wickersham, right, but specifically the 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.199 long ball, you know, passes over twenty yards worse than 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:15.879 the league. You know, I think Bill in the press 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.520 conference also said that you'd rather be a year earlier 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:20.720 than year late at that position. 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:23.440 That quote stood out to me, Paul, and I wrote 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:25.239 that one down, and you know which one was out. 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:27.680 Better to be early at that position than late. 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.040 And I couldn't help but think about twenty twenty and. 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.000 You know where was that where we weren't ready at 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:34.440 all for when Tom Brady. 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:38.920 Left and again the drafting of Garoppolo. We're building what's 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:42.560 going on in Tom's mind? You know, he's more and 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.359 more thinking I don't have the support of my coach, 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.320