1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha and welcome to stuff 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: I've never told you reflection I heard. 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: Radio And we are still celebrating Native American heritage months. 4 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: For this month, it is November of twenty twenty four. 5 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: If anybody were to, you. 6 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 3: Know, try to timestamp us and figure out where we're 7 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 3: coming from from the past anyway, and for our activists 8 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 3: around the world, we are celebrating the works and accomplishments 9 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 3: so far of doctor Nadine Caron. 10 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: So doctor Caron was celebrated and has made history as well. 11 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: She was kind of the first of a lot of things, 12 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: it seems, and it's specific to being the first female 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: First Nations General surgeon in Canada. Yeah, still part of America. 14 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 2: Not only that she was the first Woeman and of 15 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: the first Nations to graduate from the University of British 16 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: Columbia's medical school. Here's that caveat of like, yes, we're 17 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 2: saying this now and this is absurd that this is 18 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: the first for that category in Canada. But there's so 19 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: many things when it comes to first about whether we're 20 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: looking at one specific area versus like the entire world 21 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: and all of these things. So we are celebrating her, 22 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: of course, but no, when it comes to first there's 23 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 2: a lot that could be missed. And also sometimes there's 24 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: a travesty that it's in our lifetime, like in our 25 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: present time, that that's the first right, but we're still 26 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 2: going to celebrate it, even with the aw of like huh. 27 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: But yes. 28 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 2: So as a part of the Sega monk Aishknadbeck First Nations, 29 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: she has made history in the medical field, and though 30 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: she's already making waves in the specific field, she's made 31 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: sure to use her education and work advocating for the 32 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: marginalized community. She has focused her work addressing issues and 33 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: inequity in the First Nations communities, and in twenty fourteen, 34 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: she actually helped found the UBCs or University of British 35 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: Columbia's Center for Excellence and Indigenous Health. Here's some information 36 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: from BCGSC dot CAA. The Center for Excellence and Indigenous 37 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: Health was founded quote in order to improve recruitment and 38 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: retention of Indigenous students into health professions, to develop curricula 39 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: addressing Indigenous health concerns, and to conduct further research into 40 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 2: Indigenous health in general. This initiative has resulted in a 41 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: cultural Safety and Humility curriculum for UBC students and a 42 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: graduate certificate in Indigenous Public Health that equips Indigenous community 43 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: members and scholars with necessary skills to address public health 44 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: issues in First Nations, Inuit, Matisse and other Indigenous communities. 45 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: So her work has been obviously very influenced by her 46 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: community and her family. So here's a bit about her 47 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: background from Springer dot com, where she was featured as 48 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: an inspirational woman in surgery. Doctor Kron was born and 49 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 2: rais in Kamloose, BC and one of four children board 50 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: to an a Jibwe mother, a school teacher, and an 51 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: Italian immigrant father, a mason. She completed a degree in 52 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 2: kinesiology at Simon Fraser University while playing varsity basketball. Doctor 53 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: Caron was the first female First Nation person to graduate 54 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 2: from UBC Medical School. This was followed by a general 55 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: surgical residency at EBC, which included a master's in Public 56 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: health from Harvard University, becoming the first female First Nations 57 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 2: General surgeon in Canada. And yes, she did indeed play 58 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 2: basketball during her college years. In fact, she was a 59 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: star player who won several awards, including the university's Shroom 60 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: Gold Medal which is like a big thing for athletes, 61 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: basketball stars. And she received many more accolades during her 62 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: school years and even after, including honorary Doctorate of Laws 63 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: from the University of Fraser Valley and several others. So 64 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: she just kind of keeps stacking on her titles. But 65 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: her time in school was not always especially in the 66 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: world of medicine. In a twenty sixteen interview she did 67 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: with CBC, she said, I think it's a challenging road 68 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: to go into medicine and to go into surgery. But 69 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: I think that we've worked hard, particularly at UBC. We 70 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 2: started a couple of years ago, the Center for Excellence 71 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: and Indigenous Health, and one of the things we're doing 72 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 2: is exactly that, sort of taking a look at what 73 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: was hard and how do we fix it for the 74 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 2: next generation of students and trainees coming through. And one 75 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: thing I know that we're doing is trying to make 76 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: it so that when you are having challenges, and you 77 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: are having difficulties and you do want someone who can 78 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: understand particularly that side of things being First Nations or 79 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 2: being Indigenous, or being a minority, or having other elements 80 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 2: in your life that you're trying to hold on to 81 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 2: to have someone to turn to, to have someone to 82 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: talk to, to have someone that validates your concerns and your fears, 83 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 2: I think is really really important. In my year, there 84 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 2: was no other Indigenous students in the class. 85 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: And she continues, when I saw particularly firsthand issues in 86 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: the healthcare system where it lets our First Nations people down, 87 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: our communities down, that's when it really triggered me. There 88 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: was no one around that got triggered in the same 89 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: way that it touched so personally and so passionately, and 90 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: I was often told, like Nadine, you're overreacting or why 91 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: does that always trigger you? Why do you always get 92 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: upset about that? And even as a faculty member and 93 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: in academia and out in the world there, I often 94 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: get told that'll never happen. Don't dream so big. It's 95 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: sort of a message that you'll get repeatedly throughout because 96 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: there's not too many people that see it through your lens. 97 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: And like I said, at UBC, which is the world 98 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: that I'm most affiliated with, they get it and they 99 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: understand it. And so I'm starting to see a difference now. 100 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: And then I do look back and realize what I 101 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: did not. 102 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 3: Have right. 103 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: And with that seeing her own culture being a part 104 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: of the conversation and when it comes to help. She 105 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 2: also talks about the importance of respecting culture and traditions 106 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: that many First Nations still practice. She told the CBC. 107 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 2: And then there's the traditional healing practice of our Indigenous 108 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: people in Canada. I fully support that. I think it's 109 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 2: important to ensure that when you're working with individual patients, 110 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: whether it's a disease or in my case, often new 111 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 2: diagnosis of cancer, that you're not you know, when I 112 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 2: go to the operating room and I do an operation 113 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: to take out say half the thyroid or a thyroid 114 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: because of thyroid cancer, I don't just take thyroid to 115 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: the operation. I take the entire person. I take their family, 116 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 2: their community, everyone who wants this to be a safe operation, 117 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: a successful operation. But most importantly, that individual has beliefs, 118 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 2: has values, and you have to ensure that all of 119 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: that is respected so that they can trust you, and 120 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: you can trust that they know what they're going to 121 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: the operation for and that is safe. And so I 122 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 2: completely agree that our First Nations people and our other 123 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: Aboriginal people in Canada really need to be respected. If 124 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 2: this is another area where they turn to for their 125 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: health and for their treatments, that we need to work 126 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: with them, in collaboration with them, just to make sure 127 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 2: what do we propose, how will it fit together, instead 128 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 2: of feeling like we have to choose. So I thought 129 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: it was really interesting because she talks a lot about 130 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: that and making sure that they are respecting the culture 131 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: and understanding the depth of those types of traditions and 132 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: how important it is in order to be successful for 133 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: these types of medical procedures. And yeah, her successful work 134 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: has only continued. In twenty sixteen, doctor Caron was awarded 135 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: one point two to five million dollars from the Genome 136 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: of British Columbia for the Northern Biobank initiative. And here's 137 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 2: some details from the same BCGSC dot CAA article. In 138 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, doctor Caron received one point two to five 139 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 2: million dollars to address a growing risk that rule in 140 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: remote communities in BC could be excluded from significant advances 141 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: made in genomic research and precision medicine. The NBI project 142 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: includes consultation with the general public, researchers, healthcare providers, staff 143 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 2: and administration, creation of a retrospective Northern BC breast Cancer 144 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: Biobank and consultations with fifty four First Nations, including development 145 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: of the Northern First Nations Biobank Advisory Committee. And that's 146 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: not the only time that she's been granted so much, 147 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: like millions of dollars for these types of research. She's 148 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: been granted a lot of money in working specifically in 149 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: the Indigenous communities when it comes to cancer treatment. So 150 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: it's really interesting to see. And in twenty twenty, doctor 151 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: Caron was quote named the founding First Nations Health Authority 152 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: Chair and Cancer and Wellness of EBC. This new position, 153 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 2: supported by three million dollars in funding, was created to 154 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: improve cancer outcomes and wellness among Indigenous people by examining 155 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 2: the stories and needs of Indigenous cancer patients and their families. 156 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 2: Her main areas of interest are Indigenous health and Canadian 157 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 2: health policies, and this is according to the BC Medical Journal. 158 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: So in twenty twenty two, doctor Caron was one of 159 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: fourteen people appointed the Order of British Columbia and in 160 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, doctor Caron is now being inducted to 161 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 2: the Canadian Medical. 162 00:08:59,160 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. 163 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: She is being celebrated for our leadership and work in 164 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: Indigenous health and surgical practices. 165 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 1: Here's a bit more about her induction from an article 166 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: from the University of British Columbia Faculty of Medicine. Quote. 167 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: As a surgical on collegist working in Northern British Columbia, 168 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: doctor Carone has led groundbreaking projects focused on cancer, personalized medicine, 169 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: and healthcare services in rural and remote settings. This work 170 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: addresses stark disparities in health outcomes for Indigenous communities, a 171 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: driving goal of doctor Caron's contributions to research, medical education 172 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: and clinical care. 173 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 2: Right and she is quoted in the article saying, quote, 174 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 2: I am truly humbled. This is the recognition of all 175 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: those individuals who believed in and supported me with my 176 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: hopes and dreams which have really only started and that 177 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: I will one day pass on. This honor is the 178 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: symbol of what family, friends, colleagues and community can do 179 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: when we all wish for tomorrow that is better for 180 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 2: our children. Yeah, and obviously she's only racking up more 181 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 2: accolades she continues her hard work. You could actually find 182 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: youtubes of her talking about the disparities in healthcare for 183 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 2: Indigenous communities and what it looks like as she is 184 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 2: an indigenous doctor and what that looks like for her 185 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 2: and her experiences. So you should definitely look that up. 186 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: She does have a Wikipedia page. I love whant to 187 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: see that, but they have to update it because they 188 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 2: haven't added this induction to the Hall of Fame yet. 189 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: Just so you know, get on that, get on well. 190 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll check back in, but in the meantime, listeners, 191 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: if you have any any thoughts on this, any resources, 192 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: or any suggestions for future episodes, you can send them 193 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: our away. You can email us at Steph mediamoms, stephantiheartmeia 194 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: dot com. You can find us for now on Twitter 195 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: at mom Stuff podcast, or on Instagram and TikTok for 196 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: now at stuff I'll Never Told You. 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