Speaker 1: Okay, man, bro, thank you for being here, Thanks for
Speaker 1: having me making the drive at.
Speaker 2: The long two hours and fifteen minutes. It's supposed to
Speaker 2: be two forty five. But God hasn't sanctified my speed
Speaker 2: limit driving yet. Okay, He's working on me. Okay, obeying
Speaker 2: all the laws and ordinance of man.
Speaker 1: I understand that's one of the last things to be
Speaker 1: sactified in. So I was telling my son Lincoln, who's eleven,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know my buddy Heath Evans, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: you know he's coming for the podcast today. He is, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he's Super Bowl winner, right. He goes who
Speaker 1: did he play for? I was like, well, Patriots for one,
Speaker 1: and he goes, Daddy, you think he has Tom Brady's
Speaker 1: cell phone number. I was like, that's that's where your
Speaker 1: mind's going like that.
Speaker 2: I'm just God's he's affectionate towards Tom Brady and got
Speaker 2: some YouTuber or something, you know. To me, you know,
Speaker 2: he's got a real hero.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's this is part of my bigger
Speaker 1: frustration and maybe you know this. Kids these days don't
Speaker 1: have teams anymore. They have players. Yeah, have you seen
Speaker 1: that trend?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, so our four adopted little's right, I
Speaker 2: got I got two loyal boys to Dad, and then
Speaker 2: I've got the oldest loyal boy to mom. So he's
Speaker 2: a suffering Cowboys fan just because Mom was born here
Speaker 2: in Texas. So she's of course got a roof for
Speaker 2: the Cowboys and the little Noel. She just she's just
Speaker 2: Mama's girls. So it just is what it is. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: those boys they love Daddy's teams or they love Mama's team,
Speaker 2: and all all of our teams collectively, Cowboys, Patriots, Saints,
Speaker 2: we're just we're on struggle street these days.
Speaker 1: Oh I know, I know. And and so that's I
Speaker 1: can't make a better argument with Lincoln because I'm like,
Speaker 1: look at the Cowboys. Never mind, don't want to get Cowboys,
Speaker 1: you know, don't do that. But it is frustrating that
Speaker 1: that he's like he knows every player on every team
Speaker 1: and every number, but there's no team loyalty. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is this is something I think it goes back to,
Speaker 1: like in ol nil stuff because there look at those guys.
Speaker 1: Those guys don't have loyalty either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we see it really across the landscape of sports.
Speaker 2: But when you look at SEC football and the NIL
Speaker 2: and this transfer portal, it's kind of crippled. What made
Speaker 2: the SEC so beautiful. It's also what made my Patriots
Speaker 2: team so beautiful. That it was just you had fifty
Speaker 2: three alpha dogs that all just laid it down for
Speaker 2: each other. There wasn't like we're not trying to get
Speaker 2: out of here and go here, but no, no, no, how
Speaker 2: do we sacrifice for each other? How do we put
Speaker 2: the team first? How do we work hard? How do
Speaker 2: we do our stinking jobs so that everyone gets glory?
Speaker 2: And that's why we won so much and that is gone.
Speaker 2: And it's like, you know, Auburn, you're trapped there for
Speaker 2: three or four years, right because if you transfer then
Speaker 2: when I was playing, you had to sit out a year.
Speaker 2: Nobody wanted to sit out from playing football for a year,
Speaker 2: but Auburn, we just had a bunch of just tough
Speaker 2: old dudes, right, and we were good my junior year.
Speaker 2: But you know, Auburn's somewhat of a football program. Now
Speaker 2: we're a basketball program. Bruce Pearl's turn around our.
Speaker 1: Football team number one right now?
Speaker 2: Install you know what I mean, I love it, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm just I love all burn through and through. But
Speaker 2: we'll leave that football discussion for another day.
Speaker 1: It's hard, yeah, if we will, and hopefully you'll be
Speaker 1: back many times if you ask. But yeah, that the
Speaker 1: college football climate has changed so much that you know, me,
Speaker 1: I'm such a huge fan of Texas A and M,
Speaker 1: but it's very difficult to remain a good fan in
Speaker 1: this climate.
Speaker 2: Well, you used to recruit a young man and you
Speaker 2: would speak to his parents and you try to figure
Speaker 2: out what were the priorities of this young man. Did
Speaker 2: he want to grow in manhood? Did he want to
Speaker 2: grow in discipline and integrity and character? And the good
Speaker 2: college coaches were really trying to pinpoint. Okay, hey, is
Speaker 2: this dude a stud athlete? Great, because we need those,
Speaker 2: but is this kid going to lay it on the line,
Speaker 2: you know, for me and the staff and the the
Speaker 2: players around him? You know? And now, like you listen
Speaker 2: to Nick Saban talking about how recruiting, how hard it got, right,
Speaker 2: I was so surprised to see Belichick jumping this un spool,
Speaker 2: you know, in the college ranks now having to recruit
Speaker 2: on a kind of a one year term and try
Speaker 2: to build a college program around it. So be interesting
Speaker 2: to see. But the selflessness is the most beautiful thing
Speaker 2: in the world, and it's really how soul was satisfied
Speaker 2: being like Christ. And yet everything that's being sold now
Speaker 2: is about selfishness. And these kids, you can't make them happy.
Speaker 2: They'd ever find satisfaction if they get the first little
Speaker 2: lick of adversity. Oh, I'm not starting as a freshman.
Speaker 2: I'm out of here. We're raising a bunch of losers
Speaker 2: and a bunch of quitters, and it's the opposite of
Speaker 2: what college football used to be.
Speaker 1: Did you hear that Nick Saban bit about transactional verse transformational?
Speaker 1: He did it on College Game Date several months ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've probably heard something about you him and Bill
Speaker 2: Belichick's stories that they're all the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally. But really this is kind of when
Speaker 1: he's spoken out a lot about why he's not in
Speaker 1: coaching anymore. Oh I know, yeah, but he also talked
Speaker 1: about his success happened when he realized the difference between
Speaker 1: transactional coaching, which is input output I need this, I
Speaker 1: need a win, and transformational, like, regardless of the outcome
Speaker 1: of the game, we're making life transformations here together, and
Speaker 1: I want you to leave the school, being a better
Speaker 1: man than you started, and in the process of that,
Speaker 1: they started winning games. And that's exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Transformational coaching. It's out, it's only about transactions. Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, how you win it, life and even how
Speaker 2: we win in the Christian faith is about perseverance. It's
Speaker 2: about selflessness, it's about working hard. It's about not seeking
Speaker 2: your personal glory but a greater glory. And football is
Speaker 2: not that difficult. It's just really really hard and painful,
Speaker 2: and life is often that way, right, But the simplicity
Speaker 2: of the truth that a Nick Saban teaches or that
Speaker 2: a Bill Balichick taught us. You know, we think about,
Speaker 2: you know, our kind of four commands when we came
Speaker 2: in every single day, Let's do your job right. Well,
Speaker 2: that seems pretty easy. But then when you start breaking
Speaker 2: that down into what that cost a person, that's really
Speaker 2: really hard. And then you start talking about working hard. Sure,
Speaker 2: let's work hard, Well, what does working hard mean? It's
Speaker 2: going to cost you everything during the course of the
Speaker 2: season to truly work hard put the team first. Yeah, hoorah. Selflessness.
Speaker 2: It's really really hard to be selfless, especially when selflessness
Speaker 2: cost you playing time because that's what's better for the team.
Speaker 2: You know, when Tom Brady went down in two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight, my playing time kind of went out the window.
Speaker 2: You know what, Tommy, we could do a little bit
Speaker 2: of everything. Well, Matt Castle comes in, who had never
Speaker 2: played really in the league before, never even really played
Speaker 2: at USC, and Bill's like, all right, hey, listen, I'm
Speaker 2: putting you on all four special teams can't really use
Speaker 2: a full back because I gotta spread everything out. I
Speaker 2: gotta let math cast. We'll kind of see the field.
Speaker 2: So you've got to be ready to play. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to give you any reps at practice. I trust you,
Speaker 2: I love you, but hey, you gotta be ready for this,
Speaker 2: this and this. But you know your full back reps.
Speaker 2: You're thirty forty full back reps. You might see the
Speaker 2: field ten or twelve snaps of game now. And that
Speaker 2: was kind of the story for me in two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight. Happy to do it one because I've been
Speaker 2: raised by a marine dad who had taught me that
Speaker 2: before I got to Bill. But everyone in New England
Speaker 2: lived by that motto what's best for the team and
Speaker 2: learning to put yourself aside into sacrifice for the benefit
Speaker 2: of others is really one of the great joys of
Speaker 2: the Christian faith. But for those that would deny our Christ,
Speaker 2: it's still the only way to find somewhat of satisfaction
Speaker 2: and pleasure in this life is building something around people
Speaker 2: so that at least when you get to the mountaintop,
Speaker 2: you're not all alone, because most people get there and
Speaker 2: they're miserable. Well, we know the story, we need Jesus,
Speaker 2: but freedom those that would deny the faith better together.
Speaker 2: That's sweet, you know, just building something for me, me, me.
Speaker 2: Those are the loneliest, most selfish, miserable people in the world.
Speaker 1: You know. That's the story of the fullback. Really, I mean,
Speaker 1: the big number forty four fullback is not something someone
Speaker 1: strives to be now. Yeah, it's like I gotta like
Speaker 1: do the grunt work. I got to get the small yardage.
Speaker 1: I don't get to get the big play. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I want that.
Speaker 2: And so many of the teams don't even have them anymore, right,
Speaker 2: you know, And the game is.
Speaker 1: You might be the last generation of the of the
Speaker 1: great fullbacks.
Speaker 2: Yeah. What's funny is is most of the time we
Speaker 2: get to this playoff season and like the final eight teams.
Speaker 2: I've always said six of them are going to have
Speaker 2: a fullback, you know, and we're really starting to get
Speaker 2: to the point where that's just not the truth anymore.
Speaker 2: And so I can't keep up with this game. You know,
Speaker 2: the high school is kind of overtaken the college and
Speaker 2: NFL ranks. It used to be the opposite, right, the
Speaker 2: high school or coaches used to kind of look to
Speaker 2: the NFL, Hey, what are they doing? And you learn
Speaker 2: this pedigree of football that made you smart and mentally
Speaker 2: and physically and emotionally disaip. Now it's like, hey, where's
Speaker 2: the best athlete. Let's throw them a quarterback and then
Speaker 2: let's pay play this chaotic brand of football and just
Speaker 2: run around and hope we win. That's really what it.
Speaker 1: Is, and that's what's happening in high school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's what's kind of we see in college,
Speaker 2: and it's what we see in the NFL. Brady talks
Speaker 2: about it all the time. The lack of mental and
Speaker 2: emotional growth really cripples these guys by the time they
Speaker 2: get to the pro game. I don't ever want to
Speaker 2: be one of those old school guys. Oh it's tougher
Speaker 2: when we did it right, we talk about rules and
Speaker 2: all stuff. I'm not sure much of that really matters.
Speaker 2: But we could trust Tommy at any point in time
Speaker 2: because he was so mentally astute and so mentally prepared,
Speaker 2: because he had worked hard and he had put the
Speaker 2: team first and he did do his job that if
Speaker 2: we were in a bad play that Josh McDaniels called
Speaker 2: or Bill called, Tommy was going to get us in
Speaker 2: a good call. And the way that team worked most
Speaker 2: of the time, we'd all be walking up to that
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage together saying, oh, this is a bad call,
Speaker 2: and we'd all be kind of thinking the same thing.
Speaker 2: Tommy would get us into that good play. Well, now
Speaker 2: you've got players there that you know, they've just been
Speaker 2: the best athletes. They've never been taught to shift protections.
Speaker 2: They've never been taught to look at a defense and
Speaker 2: be like, oh, well they're in some nickel package. They
Speaker 2: can't possibly defend what we have coming. So I know
Speaker 2: my first read is going to be blocked because of this.
Speaker 2: Second two and three are gonna be wide open. People
Speaker 2: aren't taught the hard disciplines of the game, and it
Speaker 2: starts with oh I didn't get my way and so
Speaker 2: piece I'm out of here. I'm like, I don't listen.
Speaker 2: I'm not raising my three boys that way. I have
Speaker 2: raised my three girls that way. And it's just, uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's taking a lot of the sweetness
Speaker 2: out of football in a lot of ways. For me.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine, man, because I see it and I'm
Speaker 1: not in the game. I saw Tyreek Hill talking about
Speaker 1: something about, you know, they didn't make the playoffs, and
Speaker 1: he was talking to something along the lines of, man,
Speaker 1: I think I think I'm out of here. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not me. I'm not a guy that doesn't make the playoffs.
Speaker 1: It was me, me, me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh man, it's bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially for a team. Many people have been affected
Speaker 2: by cancer, and so I don't ever want to be
Speaker 2: that consideration. Say it, I get it, but cancer has
Speaker 2: to be killed, right, and it has to be killed
Speaker 2: radically or it's going to grow radically, right, And there's
Speaker 2: really there's no neutral ground. It's the same way with
Speaker 2: bad teammates. And Bill knew that in New England. We
Speaker 2: knew that in New Orleans. And so no matter how
Speaker 2: talented a player may be, that whining, that grumbling that
Speaker 2: complaining it's a cancer, right, and it eventually it spreads,
Speaker 2: and so you can take a good dude, and if
Speaker 2: you surround him with too many cancers, that good dude's
Speaker 2: going to become a cancer in your locker room. And
Speaker 2: Bill was cutthroat. First round draft pick or seventh round
Speaker 2: draft pick, if you weren't abiding by the law, you
Speaker 2: were gone, no matter what it cost the team, because
Speaker 2: Bill knew it might cost us fifty million now, but
Speaker 2: if I let this fifty million dollar cancer stay, it's
Speaker 2: going to be one hundred million dollar cancer like that.
Speaker 2: And so it was cutthroat about Hey, we would call
Speaker 2: it dealing with sent We're going to be radical with
Speaker 2: it and move on. And there were so many things
Speaker 2: as I kind of like for the Lord to save me.
Speaker 2: And I look back on so much of Bill's teaching
Speaker 2: in the way he built his teams. It's so biblical
Speaker 2: in nature. He would never he would never say that, right.
Speaker 2: His is more militaristic, given from his dad and just
Speaker 2: his background, but it is it's built on selflessness, and
Speaker 2: the law of the Lord was evident throughout the preaching
Speaker 2: and the dynamics of that team. We were just doing
Speaker 2: it for team glory and self glory and not the
Speaker 2: glory of God.
Speaker 1: So you're not a Christian when you play football.
Speaker 2: I thought it was. I mean, I was team chapelain.
Speaker 2: I was leading chapels and I wasn't living hypocritically. Really right,
Speaker 2: you're the chaplain. I was just in New England. So
Speaker 2: when I got to New England, my buddy Don Davis,
Speaker 2: faithful man of God Bill was he guarded the locker
Speaker 2: room and he guarded the property and so just getting
Speaker 2: a chaplain on site was hard, and so they had
Speaker 2: always just kind of done it in house, so faithful
Speaker 2: brother would just kind of step up and they would
Speaker 2: lead it. So as Don kind of went about his way,
Speaker 2: I kind of filled the void, me and my buddy
Speaker 2: Ben Watson. And then when I went to New Orleans,
Speaker 2: I kind of brought that same type of concept of like, hey,
Speaker 2: let's we're a team. Let's build this in house. And so,
Speaker 2: of course I had sin in my life, and of
Speaker 2: course I knew that, but I was raised by godly parents.
Speaker 2: But I was raised to believe that we choose Jesus.
Speaker 2: And for the first you know, I was saved and
Speaker 2: baptized at eight years old set a sinner's prayer, and
Speaker 2: from eight to thirty eight I was convinced that I
Speaker 2: was a boarding en believer. My life at that point
Speaker 2: probably had one season that people would have been like, ah,
Speaker 2: he just walked away from the Lord and season of sin,
Speaker 2: call it lukewarm, whatever. But there was no ever intentional
Speaker 2: like hypocrisy in my life. My dad just raised me
Speaker 2: to be disciplined and this is what godly looks like,
Speaker 2: and this is what repentance is. And so we would
Speaker 2: confess and we would do those things, and I truly
Speaker 2: believe my mom and dad do them from a regenerated heart.
Speaker 2: I did it because it was just what I was
Speaker 2: raised to do, and I knew that this was true.
Speaker 2: At thirty eight, I just had a radical encounter with
Speaker 2: the living God who saved my soul.
Speaker 1: You can't leave it like that, you can't.
Speaker 2: Leave I've had such a blessed life, you know, from
Speaker 2: parents to pastors to the NFL. God's graciousness to me
Speaker 2: is common, just grace to me. I mean, I had
Speaker 2: it all. I had everything that a young man needed
Speaker 2: to love God and walk faithfully and to fear him.
Speaker 2: And in so many ways, Buddy from generosity, with the
Speaker 2: financial blessings and the mouthpiece to boast about Christ. I
Speaker 2: did all those things right, and I knew it right,
Speaker 2: and I knew that this was the way to eternal life. Right.
Speaker 2: But the Lord through some really painful times at I
Speaker 2: don't even know where to start. Long story short, at
Speaker 2: thirty eight years old, myself, Marshall, Falk, Lawren Sab, Donovan McNabb,
Speaker 2: a whole group of us, some of our executives were
Speaker 2: accused by one woman of sexual harassment.
Speaker 1: So you worked for the NFL network network.
Speaker 2: For those of you all listening, ten years in the NFL,
Speaker 2: I was the chubby white boy that everyone said would
Speaker 2: never play in the NFL. I was like, screw you,
Speaker 2: watch this. I got this, you know, arrogant as can be,
Speaker 2: and of course, praise God all the way. This is
Speaker 2: his doing. YadA YadA, Yeah, of course, of course right.
Speaker 2: I always said I wanted to play ten years and
Speaker 2: then reevaluate and then go into TV. By God's common
Speaker 2: grace to me, it's exactly what I did. I played
Speaker 2: ten years, jumped off the train physically healthy, had offers
Speaker 2: from ESPN and NFL networks. So I'm like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: you make a lot of money. Just run in your
Speaker 2: mouth about this game, way better than taking a fullback beating.
Speaker 2: So I do that for eight years at NFL Network
Speaker 2: and was building a very strong brand for a form
Speaker 2: of fullback. Fullbacks don't get these gigs. It's quarterbacks and superstars.
Speaker 2: I worked with Dion Sanders and Kurt Warner and all
Speaker 2: those guys. And I was divorced from my first wife
Speaker 2: and it ended in twenty fifteen, but it had ended
Speaker 2: years previously, just kind of that long, arduous years of
Speaker 2: process of kind of finishing. But after my ex wife left,
Speaker 2: it took about eight months before I just I looked
Speaker 2: like the world, and I loved my sin, and I
Speaker 2: practiced my sin, and I was really good at practicing
Speaker 2: my sin. And because I didn't really truly know the
Speaker 2: word of the Lord right, and because I didn't have
Speaker 2: keen theologically sound eyes bringing me the proper rebukes in scripture,
Speaker 2: I just thought I was a Christian string a Christian
Speaker 2: that is wandering. I was not being disciplined by the Lord.
Speaker 2: In twenty eighteen, this lady accused myself and those other
Speaker 2: names I mentioned of sexual harassment, and I hit rock
Speaker 2: bottom really, really quick. The way it went down was
Speaker 2: I was innocent. The league knew it. I had given
Speaker 2: them my phone, my email, they knew it all. They
Speaker 2: paid me a lot, a lot of money for nine
Speaker 2: months to keep my mouth shut. I'm like, hey, do
Speaker 2: I need to hire a lawyer?
Speaker 1: Like keep your mouth shut about? What?
Speaker 2: Well? This was the thing, right, and so I'm the fullback,
Speaker 2: I'm the Bill Belichick guy. I'm the one loyalty team.
Speaker 2: The NFL has sped my family and blessed me severely
Speaker 2: for eighteen years at this point, and so Hr calls
Speaker 2: me in and they're like, hey, so and so it
Speaker 2: has accused you of sexual harassment. I'm like, what great. Sure,
Speaker 2: I whip out my phone and I'm like, look at
Speaker 2: all these texts from this lady tell me she loves me,
Speaker 2: she misses Ava, Naomi, my daughters, asking me to train
Speaker 2: her physically, all this stuff. And they're like, oh, would
Speaker 2: you give us as I'm like, sure you have whatever.
Speaker 2: They're like, do you have any other pictures of her shoulder?
Speaker 2: All these pictures of us together or babysitting my children,
Speaker 2: all this stuff, right, and then gave them all access
Speaker 2: to my email, Like, hey, how can I help you guys? Right,
Speaker 2: So they're like, basically, okay, we see what's going on.
Speaker 2: We're so sorry this is happening. You know, please, you know,
Speaker 2: we can't ask you not to make any statements, but
Speaker 2: but we'd ask you just let us what's good for
Speaker 2: you is best for us, and what's best for us
Speaker 2: is good for you. And I'm like, I need to
Speaker 2: hire a lawyer, and like, well, we can't tell you
Speaker 2: not to, but you know, our team is on it,
Speaker 2: and we appreciate your cooperation and what. And so for
Speaker 2: nine months they pay me almost a half a million
Speaker 2: dollars just so I was never suspended without pay. They
Speaker 2: knew clearly I had not sexually harassed anyone. I don't
Speaker 2: know about everyone else. I'm not going to speak about
Speaker 2: everyone else. I know this woman dearly. She was a hurting, sweet,
Speaker 2: kind lady in certain ways, and I don't know why
Speaker 2: she would do that to me. This side of eternity
Speaker 2: and what God has taught me, I have no ill
Speaker 2: will towards her. I have no ill will to the
Speaker 2: people down up on network. But the end of the day,
Speaker 2: they strung me along for nine months and then tried
Speaker 2: to get me to sign some paperwork that I would
Speaker 2: never sue them or sue her, and then try to
Speaker 2: get me to just pay me to go away. And
Speaker 2: I wasn't saved at that time, but I was like,
Speaker 2: you're not taking my voice because I'm not going to
Speaker 2: sign this paperwork because to the whole world, if I
Speaker 2: signed this non disparagement agreement makes me look like I'm
Speaker 2: guilty of something I didn't do. Yeah, I was not
Speaker 2: walking in sexual purity and I hadn't been pure with
Speaker 2: that lady, but I had not done anything that was illegal,
Speaker 2: and I had not done anything that was of the
Speaker 2: sexual harassment nature even close to it. Sure, and I
Speaker 2: just said, screw y'all, y'all fire me, do whatever you want. Well,
Speaker 2: they spent about a month trying to negotiate with my
Speaker 2: lawyer to get me to sign something to take some
Speaker 2: pay out. Hey, we'll pay out your contract if you
Speaker 2: signed this, YadA, YadA YadA, and I just said, y'all
Speaker 2: fire me whatever. So they ended up firing me for
Speaker 2: a fitness picture that I had on their NFL network
Speaker 2: phone that said if this ever got out, this would
Speaker 2: embarrass the NFL. So they fired me for just cause
Speaker 2: because I had some check in fitness pictures of myself
Speaker 2: on my phone front and back that were I was
Speaker 2: naked their fitness pick. There was nothing sexual of them whatsoever.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, long story short, fast forward. I know enough.
Speaker 2: At that point, I'm like, I've been through a divorce,
Speaker 2: lost half of everything I had, I'm living in LA,
Speaker 2: can't move, funds ran out real real quick. All these
Speaker 2: different things kind of hit rock bottom. I'm reading in
Speaker 2: First John. I get to the end of First John
Speaker 2: and I'm like, holy moly, I'm not a Christian. I
Speaker 2: don't love God, I don't love others.
Speaker 1: Remember what it was?
Speaker 2: And well, in First John, there's this I tell our
Speaker 2: built ready guys, it's like a test. Yeah, it lays
Speaker 2: out love God, love others, and this obedience to your
Speaker 2: supposed king will not be a burden. It's gonna be
Speaker 2: a battle. We're gonna struggle with sin, We're going to
Speaker 2: constantly have to run to the rock of Christ to
Speaker 2: ask for forgiveness. But it isn't going to be a
Speaker 2: burden that weighs your old down to follow your king.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, man, I've just loved God for what
Speaker 2: He's given me, and it was never Jesus that I
Speaker 2: loved because I never truly saw my need for Jesus,
Speaker 2: because I didn't see myself as the dude in the
Speaker 2: ditch that the good Samaritan had to rescue his life.
Speaker 2: I could do nothing for myself. I needed Jesus to
Speaker 2: drag me out of the pit, mend me, put me
Speaker 2: back together, pay for me to be made well, and
Speaker 2: then I can go out being that good Samaritan by
Speaker 2: God's grace. I never saw myself the one. I didn't
Speaker 2: see myself as helpless. I didn't see myself as dead.
Speaker 2: I didn't see myself as hater of God, enemy of God,
Speaker 2: me running from God and Jesus and chasing down me
Speaker 2: like he did Adam and Eve. And so eyes started
Speaker 2: to be open to the true Gospel, not the American Gospel,
Speaker 2: not the gospel I even really fully grew up around.
Speaker 2: But then I got to like, man, yeah, I've looked
Speaker 2: like a loved a lot of people, charity work, and
Speaker 2: because I knew this is what you do. But the
Speaker 2: whole time it was Heath Evans discipline. Just kind of
Speaker 2: pulled myself up on my bootstraps, getting to work, love God,
Speaker 2: love people, right, Obey and so it was. It was
Speaker 2: the full back mindset. I'm just gonna go do to
Speaker 2: work and I'm gonna find a way to get it done.
Speaker 2: But when I got to the kicker, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've obeyed, but it's always been a burden. It's always
Speaker 2: been a burden to obey him. And I started to
Speaker 2: buy God's grace piece this thing together. It's like, oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, I'm not even saved, and.
Speaker 1: You put this together yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, heck no, it was all sir,
Speaker 2: I understand it, And no I wish because at this point,
Speaker 2: I'm going to a false church. Like it's been about
Speaker 2: Maybe I can't remember all the exact dates, but it's
Speaker 2: probably been somewhere between four to six weeks post being fired, Right,
Speaker 2: I've run back to the Lord because I know this
Speaker 2: is my refuge in time of help, my ever present
Speaker 2: help in time of need. Like I knew these things, right.
Speaker 2: So I went back to reading my Bible every day,
Speaker 2: but this time the Lord opened my eyes to it
Speaker 2: for real. And so as I'm like striking these things,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, WHOA. And when I kind of came
Speaker 2: to this realization that I'd just never been saved. Thoughly,
Speaker 2: spirit was like, yeah, but these last few weeks, have
Speaker 2: you not loved me? Have you not loved loving others
Speaker 2: in a pure way that is like Christ? And then
Speaker 2: in these last few weeks, has it been a burden
Speaker 2: to serve me? And I was like, graciously, I'm like no,
Speaker 2: Like my heart for the first time had been drawn
Speaker 2: to Christ. And then as I keep reading, I'm like,
Speaker 2: the Lord opens my eyes more to these doctrines of grace,
Speaker 2: right and listen, I saw your beautiful library. Like people
Speaker 2: have asked me since I was four, I don't read
Speaker 2: Sports Illustrated. I don't read anything but my Bible. It's
Speaker 2: kind of been my line my whole life. Yeah, well
Speaker 2: that was just where I was at at the time.
Speaker 2: And so all that being said, the Lord brought me
Speaker 2: through some really hard times. I was suing the NFL
Speaker 2: for what they did to me. Felt like through scripture,
Speaker 2: the Word was like, Hey, are you going to do
Speaker 2: it your way? Are you going to trust me to
Speaker 2: rebuild whatever it is that I want to rebuild. Are
Speaker 2: you going to be heaths still? Are you going to
Speaker 2: be mine? And so in God's kindness, I just felt
Speaker 2: like it was the right thing to do to drop
Speaker 2: the lawsuit, sent the NFL somewhat of an apology. Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry for wow smearing smearing y'all's names the last
Speaker 2: few weeks. I tried to word it very strategically where
Speaker 2: it wasn't a fake apology, but I just tried to
Speaker 2: be obedient to what I felt like the Holy Spirit
Speaker 2: was guiding me to do about. They were the authority
Speaker 2: that God put over me at that time, and they
Speaker 2: were an evil authority, but I still needed to submit
Speaker 2: to what God had rightly placed me under, and I
Speaker 2: wasn't doing that by suing them.
Speaker 1: Did anybody reply from the NFL to that.
Speaker 2: Yes, one lady, and it was much appreciated.
Speaker 1: Would I mean, that's so weird, it's funny.
Speaker 2: The lady who replied would have been the one that
Speaker 2: I would have expected not to because she was one
Speaker 2: that I had maybe the least relationship with. In those moments,
Speaker 2: I started to slightly see how my life had betrayed
Speaker 2: Christ in so many ways, and I started to see
Speaker 2: what you and I would now call her depravity. But
Speaker 2: I started to see that I was just evil, and
Speaker 2: I was wicked, and I just used people, and I
Speaker 2: was so blind to the reality of like, how disgusting
Speaker 2: I am as a human and as a created being
Speaker 2: of God. And yet everything, all of life had been
Speaker 2: about me. And yet I was so evil and so wicked.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know it, and those around me didn't
Speaker 2: know it. You would have find people been, Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: a little cocky, little arrogant, very confident what he's gonna
Speaker 2: do and I'm not going to do, but very normal
Speaker 2: for my field of influence and sports. Right, but the
Speaker 2: people that knew me would be like me. He's gracious
Speaker 2: and kind, and he's gonna bend over backwards to help people,
Speaker 2: and he's got a real heart for anyone who's ever
Speaker 2: been sexually abused, and all these ranks. So but the
Speaker 2: Lord through their betrayal of me, which was hurtful, Right,
Speaker 2: I had given eighteen years of my life to serve
Speaker 2: these people, and then I felt like I had been
Speaker 2: set up and trapped to kind of keep my mouth shut,
Speaker 2: because from day one I wanted to scream from the rooftops. Hey,
Speaker 2: I've done a lot of simple things, but I've never
Speaker 2: done this, and anyone that knows me. And the crazy
Speaker 2: part was I had so many of the women in
Speaker 2: the NFL network that went to my defense, right, and
Speaker 2: so they knew. Everyone in that building knew, right, he
Speaker 2: ain't perfect, but this ain't Heath. And but as I
Speaker 2: got past that, I and the Lord started to open
Speaker 2: my eyes to his word. I just saw more and
Speaker 2: more of how I betrayed Christ and yet he loved me,
Speaker 2: and from eternity past he had a plan to save me,
Speaker 2: and that his plan included me being massively betrayed with
Speaker 2: international embarrassing news, my name being splattered everywhere because people
Speaker 2: don't ever look at the content of a charge or
Speaker 2: the context. Right, I don't care, Yeah, right, It's just
Speaker 2: juicy gossip, right, And so that it's Marshall Faulk and
Speaker 2: Heath Devins and listen, I was the I was the
Speaker 2: that was the nobody name of the group of all
Speaker 2: the people that were charged. Right. And then after nine months,
Speaker 2: Marshall Faulk calls me and he said, hey, they're getting
Speaker 2: ready to try to make us kind of take a
Speaker 2: plea deal. They just drove all the way from LA
Speaker 2: to San Diego to meet me and they're not bringing
Speaker 2: us back. I'm like, what, so.
Speaker 1: So you you skated over the rock bottom part yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was probably really bad.
Speaker 2: Well, it's you know, it's funny like when you play
Speaker 2: in the NFL, right, everyone thinks everyone's millionaires.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Well, when I played, you get a few guys on
Speaker 2: the team that were making really really good money. And
Speaker 2: these are the hard parts because like I was making
Speaker 2: really good money compared to the normal people. Right. And
Speaker 2: then you know, you go through a divorce living in
Speaker 2: LA and so then you kind of the way I
Speaker 2: structured that I thought was wise. I'm like, hey, I'm
Speaker 2: going to keep all my retirement and we'll just kind
Speaker 2: of give all this, you know to the ex wife,
Speaker 2: and is how we'll divide the line. And then I'm
Speaker 2: working in the NFL network. So I had this great
Speaker 2: job and so I'll kind of rebuild this wealth over
Speaker 2: the next ten or fifteen years working for Fox in
Speaker 2: the NFL network. Well, you know, two years after the divorce,
Speaker 2: all that plan got shot to oblivion or.
Speaker 1: Where where's Jesus in the divorce? Where's your face? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, and so.
Speaker 1: I wildly relate to your story. That's you know, it's
Speaker 1: part of my questioning is because I wildly relate to
Speaker 1: what you're saying. In a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I married my first wife at twenty two. From
Speaker 2: day one, it was a really hard marriage, and I
Speaker 2: thought I loved her well. I didn't because I was
Speaker 2: incapable of love. I thought I served her well. I
Speaker 2: didn't because I was incapable. I thought I dealt with
Speaker 2: her heart wounds that were way before me. Well, I
Speaker 2: wasn't capable.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: We hid everything in house, and so we had a
Speaker 2: lot of secrecy that was just hers and ours or
Speaker 2: hers and ours together, and we didn't seek wise counsel
Speaker 2: because I thought I need to cover her and I
Speaker 2: don't want to embarrass her. I don't want to embarrass us,
Speaker 2: And so we were ill equipped to deal with those
Speaker 2: things well, and so wounds just festered. It was just
Speaker 2: really hard, and so for ten years, everyone would have
Speaker 2: looked at us like, oh man, he's just loving his
Speaker 2: wife really, really, really well through a tough marriage and
Speaker 2: hard stuff. I wasn't because I was incapable of it.
Speaker 2: But after about ten years, that bitterness and a knee
Speaker 2: injury right in the middle of our Super Bowl year
Speaker 2: with the Saints. After that knee injury, I got really
Speaker 2: it bitter at God and didn't know it two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine, we went our ring with the Norlan Saints.
Speaker 2: I'm having the best year of my career, mid season
Speaker 2: all Pro, and I blow my knee out in Miami again,
Speaker 2: kind of like I'd always done. No one would have
Speaker 2: known I was better at God?
Speaker 1: Right, God, that you didn't know, and that's the only
Speaker 1: reason you were bitter.
Speaker 2: Amen, you just didn't know him.
Speaker 1: Man. Amen, Hey, it's Granger.
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Speaker 2: And it took about another year and a half. But
Speaker 2: that bitterness with God and then kind of probably ten
Speaker 2: years of bitterness with my ex ended up me being
Speaker 2: unfaithful in my marriage. And then because I knew this
Speaker 2: is what repentance looks like, I then confessed all of
Speaker 2: that and then we try to start working through it,
Speaker 2: and then eventually it was just too much and she left.
Speaker 2: You know, a couple of years later, those years between
Speaker 2: confession and ex wife leaving, everyone would have said, man
Speaker 2: to copy the glory of God's doing in his life.
Speaker 2: You know, he's returned to the fold, he's following the Shepherd,
Speaker 2: all those things, right, And in a lot of ways
Speaker 2: I was right. There was nothing outwardly hypocritical, right. I
Speaker 2: wasn't hiding any sins. Again, I wasn't. There was nothing
Speaker 2: that I was turning to other than Jesus. It was
Speaker 2: in my Bible every day, all those things.
Speaker 1: It's in some some theologians would say it's like when
Speaker 1: an animal dies, sometimes it still kicks a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah there's still life that mimics life, but yeah, the animals.
Speaker 2: Dead dead dead dead, right. And so after ex wife
Speaker 2: left six seven months before, I was living like any
Speaker 2: unregenerate single person with all the fame and all the
Speaker 2: stuff that comes with being on TV every day in
Speaker 2: LA And so my heart was I didn't know it
Speaker 2: at the time, but what I loved was being revealed.
Speaker 2: And it took a couple of years. And then because
Speaker 2: before the beginning of time, God loved me, having nothing
Speaker 2: to do with me, he disciplined me. It was hard,
Speaker 2: but I'm so thankful and I'm thankful he still disciplines me.
Speaker 2: And you know, I lost everything except for my health
Speaker 2: and my two beautiful daughters. God was so gracious to
Speaker 2: me in that. And you know, since July of twenty eighteen,
Speaker 2: he's just been building the story that I asked him.
Speaker 2: I started to ask him that Lord, I want you
Speaker 2: to rebuild or build something that no man can take
Speaker 2: credit for. I want you to have your way in
Speaker 2: my life. We're not even the outside world can look
Speaker 2: and say look what he's done. They have to say,
Speaker 2: look what the righteous creator, God of the world has
Speaker 2: done in Heath, and I believe that's what he's doing,
Speaker 2: you know, so.
Speaker 1: The you know, I was radically saved out of cultural
Speaker 1: Christianity through John fourteen. The disciple asked Jesus, Lord, why
Speaker 1: is it that you manifest yourself to us but not
Speaker 1: to the world. And as I'm listening to the sermons,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, that's a good question. How was at
Speaker 1: rock bottom searching for answers? Searching it for who was Jesus?
Speaker 1: Because I didn't have any fruits of the spirit that
Speaker 1: you're supposed to have as a Christian and in my
Speaker 1: my rock bottomness, I didn't have It's like that, I
Speaker 1: didn't have that. So so yeah, Disciple, that's a good question,
Speaker 1: how will Jesus answer, because maybe that's maybe I need
Speaker 1: to know this. And Jesus says something just it blew
Speaker 1: me away, changed everything for me, And it's the opposite
Speaker 1: of what I thought he was going to say. He says,
Speaker 1: if anyone loves me, he'll keep my word, and my
Speaker 1: father will love him, and we will come to him
Speaker 1: and make our home with him. And suddenly, and suddenly
Speaker 1: I knew in this reverse psychology that I was loved,
Speaker 1: not because of anything I did, but I was loved,
Speaker 1: and he was with me, and they had come to me,
Speaker 1: and they had made a home in me. And yet
Speaker 1: he says, you'll know the people that I've made a
Speaker 1: home with. You'll know them because those are the people
Speaker 1: keep my word. And I thought, so I'm loved, And
Speaker 1: yet I don't keep his word. I don't even really
Speaker 1: know all of his word. And so it hit me
Speaker 1: from reverse. And that's that's where you're saying, the realization
Speaker 1: that you were loved because he said something really interesting earlier.
Speaker 1: You said, I used to think that I choose Jesus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: isn't that American? That's the American gospel. Yeah, choose Jesus.
Speaker 2: One think about it. It's the opposite of the gospel. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's this people like we receive. I'm like, yes, I'm
Speaker 2: a dummy, but even I can read and study what
Speaker 2: these words mean. And this receiving of God's grace is passive.
Speaker 2: It's like he's drawling. He's literally he is taking us
Speaker 2: and bringing us back to the fold or the sheep
Speaker 2: running away. And the more that the Lord just opens
Speaker 2: my eyes to Christ, the more I just see, Oh,
Speaker 2: my gosh, he loves me because I'm a disastrous train wreck.
Speaker 2: And yet oh, my gosh, she loves me in seeing
Speaker 2: the disastrous train wreck that I am in my own
Speaker 2: power and my own my own being. It's what spurs
Speaker 2: me on to be holy, like he's holy in that.
Speaker 2: We talk about the American Gospel, right, and even the
Speaker 2: way the Lord saved you, right, you'll obey. And so
Speaker 2: we look at this believe word in John three sixteen
Speaker 2: in America, we look at it like the demons. Yeah right, yeah,
Speaker 2: but that believe means to love and to obey, And
Speaker 2: it's very easy to see when the Lord gives you
Speaker 2: eyes to read John right, that word believe close to
Speaker 2: one hundred times or so. And don't check my math
Speaker 2: because I'm full back. Too many concussions, right, yeah, but believe, believe, believe.
Speaker 2: Then we get to John twenty and he's like, this
Speaker 2: is why I wrote this, So you believe that Jesus
Speaker 2: is the Lord, the Messiah, right, and then upon believing
Speaker 2: you have eternal life, right, that we would just love
Speaker 2: him because he first loved us, you know.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, John three thirty six, whoever believes in
Speaker 1: the sun has eternal life. Whoever does not obey. Yes,
Speaker 1: that word all of a sudden's interchanged, does not have life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the wrath of God remains upon him, so he John
Speaker 1: just casually other changes believe and obey. Yeah, as if
Speaker 1: we would know that believing always equals obeying and obeying
Speaker 1: always equals believe.
Speaker 2: Amen. Amen. And then the start of John three, like,
Speaker 2: we get so enamored with three sixteen, and rightfully so
Speaker 2: we could, we could, we could. I literally think we're
Speaker 2: going to be in the heaven leaves for for for
Speaker 2: eternity after eternity, just wrapping our minds around that one verse.
Speaker 2: But when you look at three five and six and
Speaker 2: seven and eight, he literally tells us it's the wind
Speaker 2: and he blows where he will. You had nothing to
Speaker 2: do with your first birth. Why would you think you
Speaker 2: have anything to do with your second birth? It is
Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit that comes and gives you grace, gives
Speaker 2: you eyes to the ears that truly want to believe
Speaker 2: the Word of Christ, that sets us free and free indeed, right,
Speaker 2: and you mentioned thirtieth at six, right, you know, it's
Speaker 2: like when the Lord does his great work and literally
Speaker 2: remove the scales from our eyes. It's like you can't help.
Speaker 2: But see, I've had nothing to do with this, and
Speaker 2: I've had everything to do with why God should abandon me,
Speaker 2: why he shouldn't be faithful? Yeah, right, And he tells
Speaker 2: us he humbles us from the jump because he knows
Speaker 2: in his kindness that it's humility is the only place
Speaker 2: that we ever find freedom, when we can get past
Speaker 2: ourselves and rest and trust in Him. That's where assurance
Speaker 2: of faith comes from. As you and I know, I
Speaker 2: don't want to be judged on how I love my wife.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be judged on how I faithfully
Speaker 2: patiently discipline my children. I don't want to be judged
Speaker 2: on how I love my brothers and sisters at Trinity
Speaker 2: River Baptist Church. I don't want to be judged on
Speaker 2: how I faithfully serve even our built ready community. No,
Speaker 2: I just I need the merits of Christ. Otherwise I
Speaker 2: am damned and I know it. But praise be to God.
Speaker 2: He looks at me and sees Jesus, and it was
Speaker 2: his plan from eternity, and so it has nothing to
Speaker 2: do with me. And that's the freedom I need to
Speaker 2: love and obey and worship and being all It's good man.
Speaker 1: I heard a pastor say one time that Jesus. I
Speaker 1: think maybe he said God. In this context, God is
Speaker 1: waiting at the door, and he will not come in
Speaker 1: because he's a gentleman, and he will come in unless
Speaker 1: you invite him in like a true gentleman. And I
Speaker 1: thought that sounds like an insecure boyfriend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just.
Speaker 1: Needs acceptance or something. But that's not the way I
Speaker 1: experienced it, and that's not the way any kind of
Speaker 1: language the Bible uses.
Speaker 2: It sounds like a man who doesn't understand the first
Speaker 2: few chapters of Revelation. Those are church doors that the
Speaker 2: Jesus is knocking on and we I mean, I'm in
Speaker 2: the middle of Isaiah right now, and I'm just enamored
Speaker 2: about how many times the Lord of Host, the sovereign,
Speaker 2: Lord of heavenly armies, full command of everything, and everyone says,
Speaker 2: I will, I will, I will you and me straying
Speaker 2: and disobedience, I will. I'm gonna open your eyes. I'm
Speaker 2: going to bring you home. I'm going to give you
Speaker 2: a heart that once repents, once repentance and draws near
Speaker 2: to me. Right to think about this, you know, it's
Speaker 2: like the Jesus comes he's thrown out of life booie,
Speaker 2: and all you got to do is grab it. I
Speaker 2: have so many men in my life that I love
Speaker 2: so dearly that still to the day use that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yet I'm like, tell the real analogy.
Speaker 2: Where do you see it in scripture?
Speaker 1: Tell the real analogy of that.
Speaker 2: We're dead men, We're at the bottom of the ocean, right, Well,
Speaker 2: we're just dead.
Speaker 1: We can't grab it life.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but for me, it's like I'm not in
Speaker 2: the ocean. I'm I'm flooded in my sin. I loved
Speaker 2: my sexual immorality. I loved my arrogance. I loved only
Speaker 2: thinking about me. I loved lying, and I was great
Speaker 2: at it. I loved all these things. They were my idols,
Speaker 2: and yet they were crushing me. And God said, that's
Speaker 2: my boy. I'm gonna go rescue him, and here's how
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it. And it's gonna look like utter
Speaker 2: chaos and catastrophe, but you know what, he's gonna know
Speaker 2: that I am God. And then I saved his soul,
Speaker 2: and then I love him and it has nothing to
Speaker 2: do with him, So that Heath Evans will never boast
Speaker 2: in himself ever, ever, again.
Speaker 1: I think I just got saved again.
Speaker 2: Man, No, it's not true. He saved he saved us
Speaker 2: before he made all this.
Speaker 1: Man, I didn't know it to that, to that full extent.
Speaker 1: I didn't know your story. In fact, we were talking
Speaker 1: earlier before we recorded, and I was like, no, don't
Speaker 1: tell me, because I want to. I want to hear
Speaker 1: it on the microphone. I already feel like anytime you
Speaker 1: come to this area, you could just keep coming back
Speaker 1: in because there are so many things I want to
Speaker 1: ask and say that I think will be nuggets for
Speaker 1: people to grab onto and so hopefully we could this
Speaker 1: will be a relationship. We continue to have it back
Speaker 1: and people are listening to comment below, bring back.
Speaker 2: Heath, you know, don't lie though.
Speaker 1: Let me slightly shift gears, and which is hard to
Speaker 1: do because I feel like I have more questions about
Speaker 1: what happened after you were saved. When I was in
Speaker 1: high school playing football, I remember I remember the day
Speaker 1: that one of our codes, our defensive coordinator, came in
Speaker 1: and he introduced this thing called creating monohydrate, and he said,
Speaker 1: we're all gonna start taking this and it was like
Speaker 1: this in a jar, and it was like white and
Speaker 1: like a sandy and see yeah, yeah, and we would
Speaker 1: just take it. We would just put the scoop without
Speaker 1: you know, we wouldn't mix it and you just do
Speaker 1: it on the tongue and then get a you know,
Speaker 1: some water and throw it down. And my parents are like,
Speaker 1: what are you guys doing that? All the parents were
Speaker 1: scared this new thing, like this guy is there's no
Speaker 1: long term testing on this. I gained ten pounds immediately,
Speaker 1: but it was a good ten pounds and it worked
Speaker 1: in every sense. It worked fast. Forward to you know,
Speaker 1: several decades. I'm on Instagram. I'm flipping through one time
Speaker 1: and here's Heith Evans, who who I use his advice
Speaker 1: many times. On this podcast, Heath Evans is talking and
Speaker 1: he goes, men you need creating and women you do too.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, really, I haven't thought about that since
Speaker 1: the nineties. So I went right then to Visarah your
Speaker 1: supplement company. Pretty new company, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a few months old?
Speaker 1: Yeah, a few months old. And I'm like, if he thought, man,
Speaker 1: I trust this guy this not only is this? Does
Speaker 1: this guy no fitness? And he was on the NFL network.
Speaker 1: Did you see him doing the forty five bench press
Speaker 1: to twenty five. Okay, hang on before we do anything else.
Speaker 1: This is we got to do this before. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: you guys kind of look over my shoulder here. This
Speaker 1: is crazy full box.
Speaker 2: When it comes to the bench press, who was the
Speaker 2: top bulist Tommy Bohannan and the Fahu Tahi neither one.
Speaker 1: Of them still in the league. Thirty six reps. It
Speaker 1: says on the screen, I'm thinking that he got this
Speaker 1: might be able to set a new record running you
Speaker 1: want to get after let's do it all right, he's
Speaker 1: on live television, right live.
Speaker 2: It was I wish I'd have gotten no warm up.
Speaker 2: I wish I'd got no warm up. I might have
Speaker 2: gotten fifty.
Speaker 1: He says, I talked too much trash.
Speaker 2: To him last year.
Speaker 4: In a suit man with a tie.
Speaker 2: Crushing it two three, twenty four, twenty five.
Speaker 1: Twenty six, not even slowing down, twenty nine, thirty thirty one,
Speaker 1: thirty two, thirty three, thirty four, forty five, thirty six,
Speaker 1: thirty seven, thirty eight, thirty nine he won.
Speaker 4: Work no work.
Speaker 1: Forty five, that's unreal. Twenty five so that's like the
Speaker 1: combine that that's what you use. Two twenty five, So
Speaker 1: can you get forty six.
Speaker 2: I know you can't.
Speaker 1: I know you can't. You can't. No way like you
Speaker 1: can't get forty six.
Speaker 2: The heck no, the the training that was going Listen,
Speaker 2: I was smack dab in the middle of wickedness and idolatry.
Speaker 2: My God was my body and under saying I understand,
Speaker 2: and my most of my effort was going into how
Speaker 2: I looked, you know, from my botox face to my biceps.
Speaker 1: You know, So is that the first time you got
Speaker 1: forty five?
Speaker 2: Uh no, uh yes, because you don't the training the
Speaker 2: result when you train for those different things, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I trained very different than those max efforts. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I just went out. I had like one warm upset
Speaker 2: with one thirty five for a couple reps and then
Speaker 2: but normally, like on a test like that, I'd work
Speaker 2: up to like four h five for like a double
Speaker 2: just like so my central nervous system can like stress,
Speaker 2: and then two twenty five feels like it's five pounds. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so your first twenty reps it's like your body's like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's just easy. Right, So those were fun days, good group.
Speaker 2: I worked with an NFL network.
Speaker 1: So my point is, I see this and I'm like,
Speaker 1: if this guy's telling me I should take Creatam, then
Speaker 1: I should do it. And not only is he telling
Speaker 1: me to do it, but he says he's got he's
Speaker 1: got a company that's cleaner than any other. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so I went and buy it. I bought it, and
Speaker 1: then you quickly called me and said, why did you
Speaker 1: just buy some thing from your own friend? Basically you
Speaker 1: call me so anyway, then Amber got on it because
Speaker 1: so this is just something I didn't really understand, and
Speaker 1: this could be an entire episode. But you you now
Speaker 1: have with your wife a supplement company. How you say it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we are. There's clean supplements, clean supplements. And then you
Speaker 1: start talking you have way protein. You you start talking
Speaker 1: about Australia cattle and all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, we want to help the church get healthy.
Speaker 2: The healthier we are, the more energy we have to
Speaker 2: serve Christ And listen, we have little kids and it's
Speaker 2: it's it's all gas, no breaks around, right, And so
Speaker 2: you know our company, by Sarah is a nutrition company
Speaker 2: because we yes, we'd love to sell people supplements and
Speaker 2: we can supplement a good healthy living, diet lifestyle. Right,
Speaker 2: But any supplement in and of itself is not going
Speaker 2: to rescue anyone. So we want to teach people how
Speaker 2: to eat and how to think better about food. We've
Speaker 2: been lied to, you know, you know, I don't know
Speaker 2: RFK personally, but he's opening people's eyes to the lies
Speaker 2: and deception that our country has been under around nutrition,
Speaker 2: and so we just want to help people. Creating is
Speaker 2: the most tested supplement on the planet, right, and if
Speaker 2: it's American made, it's going to be very good. Right.
Speaker 2: A lot of people buy cheaper stuff from China. I
Speaker 2: would advise everyone not to. You don't have to buy
Speaker 2: our as it by Sarah, but just make sure yours
Speaker 2: is an American made company. Women, if you're here in
Speaker 2: my voice, this is the best thing in the world
Speaker 2: that we can do for our women. The number one
Speaker 2: marker Launey. I know, right, because it's always been well,
Speaker 2: this is the meathead supplement to get stronger, which it is.
Speaker 2: But what is the number one marker for longevity? God
Speaker 2: is sovereign over all our days. Our days are written
Speaker 2: in his book, right, But we have enough science and
Speaker 2: true knowledge now to know that the stronger someone is,
Speaker 2: the longer they live. We look at COVID in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one twenty two. Who are the people that were
Speaker 2: least affected, the strongest people, not the people with the best,
Speaker 2: you know, body mass index, not the people that were
Speaker 2: the most cardiovascular sound. Those are important, but the number
Speaker 2: one marker was how strong is someone physically right? Male
Speaker 2: and female? And they were basically unphased in a lot
Speaker 2: of ways by COVID. And so creatine has so many
Speaker 2: biomarkers just for women's mental health, helping them battle just
Speaker 2: anxiousness and depression. We're seeing high dosage of creatine now
Speaker 2: used in women's seventy plus that are alzheimer patients or
Speaker 2: dementia patients, and they're actually reversing the effects, the memory
Speaker 2: loss effects from this wicked disease. And so yes, it
Speaker 2: will help you sustain and build muscle. Who wouldn't want
Speaker 2: to do that, right? But then more importantly the cognitive effects.
Speaker 2: I've had multiple concussions. You know, I take twenty plus
Speaker 2: grams a day of creating because I'm just trying to
Speaker 2: take care of my brain.
Speaker 1: And what we know, what is that compared to what
Speaker 1: I'm taking. I'm taking the three capsules.
Speaker 2: For you, you're having one serving a day. I have four, right,
Speaker 2: but I'm also two hundred and seventy pounds.
Speaker 1: You do twelve of those capsules.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I use our powder because I'm always trying
Speaker 2: to hydrate. I want to get more and more water
Speaker 2: in my system with the right salts and the right
Speaker 2: minerals and right vitamins, and so I kind of take
Speaker 2: our collection. But we're just we want to help people
Speaker 2: to think right about what are the right supplements we need, right,
Speaker 2: and then how do we get healthy for the glory
Speaker 2: of God? And so we do that with our built
Speaker 2: Ready coaching and we do that through VI Syarah, our
Speaker 2: supplement company.
Speaker 1: Where did you learn all this stuff about? First of all, creatin?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, creating kind of like me in high school.
Speaker 2: It started, Hey, you want to put on some clean,
Speaker 2: natural strength. There was all kinds of crazy stuff. When
Speaker 2: I got in high school. There was the stuff called
Speaker 2: Ultimate Orange. I don't know what was in it. It
Speaker 2: was like premium gas, right, like, your bitch is going
Speaker 2: to go up twenty pounds in like one shot of
Speaker 2: this thing, right right. My dad's I was like, I'm
Speaker 2: not sure what's in that. I don't know we'd be
Speaker 2: taking that stuff, right, But creating you know, people knew, Hey,
Speaker 2: this is what it is. It's already in good steak, right,
Speaker 2: It's in some of our food. Our body needs it,
Speaker 2: we have creatine, we need it for our brains, we
Speaker 2: need it for all kinds of things, right, and so
Speaker 2: it's always kind of been one of those more acceptable things.
Speaker 2: But just recently in the last few years, we've started
Speaker 2: to see the scientific data about brain health and cognitive
Speaker 2: function as well as cognitive repair, the epidemic of mental health,
Speaker 2: especially against our females. Right, Christy and I want so
Speaker 2: badly to teach people the benefits of spirit filled self
Speaker 2: control around eating and what we put in our bodies,
Speaker 2: because for the glory of God, God loves to heal people. Right,
Speaker 2: we have not because we ask not. There is no
Speaker 2: rhyme or reason to how Jesus chooses to bless some
Speaker 2: with healing and others and not. But what we know
Speaker 2: is that when godly men and women will just kind
Speaker 2: of follow Paul's outline about disciplining their bodies and not
Speaker 2: just beating the air aimlessly, but having a rhythm and
Speaker 2: some thought out structure to how do we eat, how
Speaker 2: do we sleep? How do we hydrate? This there's some
Speaker 2: value that we can get out of bodily training, bodily
Speaker 2: training about in righteousness and all these things. But but
Speaker 2: also like, hey, if this is the temple, right, and
Speaker 2: I don't ever want this to be a message of
Speaker 2: condemnation to anyone that's overweight or underweight, right, we just
Speaker 2: want to love people. Well, right, I don't know what
Speaker 2: it's like to be overweight. Kind of just always been
Speaker 2: in shape. I joked that I was a little fat,
Speaker 2: chubby kid from Palm Beach, Florida. I kind of was.
Speaker 2: I was a little slow, and then that motivated me
Speaker 2: to get faster, and then God made an NFL career
Speaker 2: out of it. Right, But my wife used to weigh
Speaker 2: almost three hundred pounds, and so she's felt the burden
Speaker 2: of being unsaved. Yeah, chrissy, Yeah, your face is it
Speaker 2: all right? Right? And so does right? You know what
Speaker 2: I mean? And so and before the Lord saved her,
Speaker 2: you know, she had built this massive business called weight
Speaker 2: loss hero, helping people for all the wrong reasons. God
Speaker 2: does his great, miraculous work in her life. And she's like,
Speaker 2: I just can't coach women like this. I got to
Speaker 2: coach him to get healthy for the glory of God.
Speaker 2: And now we just kind of do this stuff together.
Speaker 2: But the freedom around discipline, right, it's a good thing.
Speaker 2: And God has commanded us to be of sober mind, right,
Speaker 2: And that's not just oh, let me be sober minded
Speaker 2: in just these areas of righteousness, right, But look at
Speaker 2: this practical wisdom God's given us. Right. And then, oh,
Speaker 2: it's amazing, how much more rich my quiet time is
Speaker 2: in the morning, when I'm hydrated from the day before.
Speaker 2: It's amazing, how much more I remember right when I'm
Speaker 2: eating more clean It's amazing. How much more energy I
Speaker 2: have to love and serve my husband. It's amazing, how
Speaker 2: much more stamin I have as a father to get
Speaker 2: out and wrestle around with the boys and throw them
Speaker 2: around in the pool, and work out and love my
Speaker 2: wife and go to work for nine hours a day
Speaker 2: with food and proper nutrition and hydration and proper rest.
Speaker 2: Prioritizing the right thing based on the sound word of
Speaker 2: the Lord gives us so much freedom. And so we
Speaker 2: want to help people with teaching them how to eat
Speaker 2: and with these supplements that we think are necessary for
Speaker 2: everyone to be taking creating and collagen.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: We want to help people burn the right fat. We
Speaker 2: have a visceral fat is the fat around your organs
Speaker 2: that kills you. There's very few clinical studies on supplementation
Speaker 2: that will actually burn visceral fat. We have one of them.
Speaker 2: It's called a night and it's awesome. It's great for
Speaker 2: your brain. It's like a nice little nootropic punch to
Speaker 2: your head in the morning when you want to study
Speaker 2: God's word on an empty stomach. It's just there's so
Speaker 2: many good benefits to it. And then we want to
Speaker 2: help people get hydrated. Any good doctor is going to
Speaker 2: probably tell you about ninety percent of chronic disease is
Speaker 2: caused by chronic dehydration. God meant our bodies to be
Speaker 2: fueled with vitamins and minerals and nutrients and protein that
Speaker 2: we just don't get. But if we do, it's amazing
Speaker 2: how fast our bodies will heal themselves. When God said
Speaker 2: we are fearfully and wonderfully made, he didn't stutter. And
Speaker 2: so we pollute this system and our food is either
Speaker 2: you know, it's poisoned to us or it's medicine to us.
Speaker 2: We want to point people to, hey, this is how
Speaker 2: we this is how we kind of heal our body
Speaker 2: by God's grace, strengthen ourselves for the war that is,
Speaker 2: walking in righteousness and walking in the love of Christ.
Speaker 1: That is the best biblical argument for healthy living that
Speaker 1: I've ever heard.
Speaker 2: When it's time. That's why I bought from you, Praise
Speaker 2: the Lord. And I tell our men all the time,
Speaker 2: it is really really hard to make much of Christ
Speaker 2: and make much of the body it is, and so
Speaker 2: so we have to we have to so look at
Speaker 2: Jesus to know why we're going to discipline this body. Right,
Speaker 2: Spurgeon's days were numbered. He lived in a day where
Speaker 2: there wasn't a lot of medicine. He got what fifty
Speaker 2: six fifty four years, and God miraculously used him. Now,
Speaker 2: by God's grace, we live much longer. And I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that we're ever going to live longer than what
Speaker 2: God is determined. But I am saying that if we
Speaker 2: eat well, my days on this earth will be more
Speaker 2: energized for the Kingdom of Christ than they would be
Speaker 2: if I'm not disciplining myself in that way? Is it selvific?
Speaker 2: I don't want anyone to feel condemned that people are
Speaker 2: just run into more and more weak sheep that are
Speaker 2: just burdened by just these sins. It's like they struggle
Speaker 2: with inshirts. And I don't ever want to go down
Speaker 2: that route. But I do think that even some of
Speaker 2: our brothers and sisters in Christ that do wrestle with assurance,
Speaker 2: if by God's grace, they could discipline themselves to eat better,
Speaker 2: they will think more clearly about the word of truth,
Speaker 2: and that word of truth will be revealed to them
Speaker 2: in a new refreshing way where they can think more
Speaker 2: clearly and their brain is not so foggy and their
Speaker 2: body is not so beat down by constantly what they're
Speaker 2: shoving into it.
Speaker 1: You talked about it's good for your gut to and
Speaker 1: by the way, this is by no means is this
Speaker 1: ay infomercial for vice Sarah. I didn't want it to
Speaker 1: be that way. I don't want it to appear that way,
Speaker 1: and that's not why you came. So I don't want
Speaker 1: anyone to think that. So let me say this without
Speaker 1: sounding like an infomercial. I've had creatine that has really
Speaker 1: messed up my stomach before. Yours doesn't. Your protein doesn't,
Speaker 1: and it tastes good. You're like sourcing cattle from all
Speaker 1: over the world. Are you really serious about it being
Speaker 1: healthy for you?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was taught by Bill Belichick there's always someone
Speaker 2: that's better, There's always someone that knows more. There's always
Speaker 2: someone that's gonna kick your butt, right, so you need
Speaker 2: to prepare to meet that person. Right. So when building
Speaker 2: by Sarah, we wanted the best, and by God's grace
Speaker 2: through the years in the NFL and just other relationships
Speaker 2: he's given me. I know some of the best people
Speaker 2: in the organic supplement space in the world. My buddy
Speaker 2: who has basically sold two massive companies, you know, one
Speaker 2: Nestley now owns. So we won't go into a price
Speaker 2: that's sold for, but he has done it as the
Speaker 2: king in that space. And so I went directly to
Speaker 2: him and said, how do we do this? Or it
Speaker 2: tastes good, but we can look people in the eye
Speaker 2: and say, hey, our sourcing is better than anyone and
Speaker 2: you know our bovine glandulars right. So it's like this
Speaker 2: idea that like heels like. So, we have so many
Speaker 2: thyroid issues, we have so many digestive track issues, we
Speaker 2: have so many heart issues, we have so many issues
Speaker 2: that are health related because of food. And yet from
Speaker 2: the beginning of time God created these animals to be
Speaker 2: under our dominion and for us to eat them, to
Speaker 2: be healthy and strong for His glory and to magnify
Speaker 2: his name. And so if you look on the side
Speaker 2: of all of our bottles, you're going to see these
Speaker 2: little glandulars. You're gonna see heart, you're gonna see kidney,
Speaker 2: you'll see thyroid. It's amazing when we eat God's food
Speaker 2: and we supplement God's food, how the body will just
Speaker 2: kind of heal itself. And so we've given people the
Speaker 2: purest A two protein. You talk about our creatine not
Speaker 2: upsetting your stomach, Well, it's well sourced, right, And there's
Speaker 2: not some crap from China. I'm not knocking to anybody
Speaker 2: from China. But our system is set up to make
Speaker 2: money and give people as little amount as we can
Speaker 2: to kind of pass this bar or metric that makes
Speaker 2: it legal. Right. We haven't done that, right, And so
Speaker 2: our third party testing everything that we have kind of
Speaker 2: spent money on is to say, hey, listen, we want
Speaker 2: to represent God with integrity. These are supplements that will
Speaker 2: help your body heal, but you got to eat good too, right,
Speaker 2: And so even when you get on by Sarah nutrition
Speaker 2: dot com, you can download the free pdf to just
Speaker 2: help you think better about eating. But every all of
Speaker 2: our products have either digestive enzymes, something that's gonna prebiotic.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, your probiotics that are gonna help people digest food.
Speaker 2: Because if I can feed you more protein, and then
Speaker 2: I can help heal your gut where it digests all
Speaker 2: that protein, where you're actually absorbing it. Not only does
Speaker 2: grains or think better, but you sleep better, you perform better,
Speaker 2: you feel stronger, there's more energy, everything about you improves.
Speaker 2: This is really brain number one. Brain number one, guide's
Speaker 2: brain number two. God has fiercefully and wonderly, wonderfully made us.
Speaker 2: So brain number two is always gonna be working.
Speaker 1: Your head depends on your gut.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what we have to make fuels right, and
Speaker 2: so listen, I know it. I love donuts. I'm the
Speaker 2: donut king, right, but when I eat too many donuts,
Speaker 2: this brain is bad. And I can't afford this brain
Speaker 2: to be bad. I had too many kids and I
Speaker 2: got a big king Jesus to love and serve well.
Speaker 2: So I needed to be sharp and accurate and on
Speaker 2: point and so all these things have in effect, and
Speaker 2: we just want to gently teach people that hey, we
Speaker 2: can feel good and we can have all of God's
Speaker 2: energy and everything that God's intended for us. And this
Speaker 2: isn't no health, wealth and prosperity nonsense either, because I
Speaker 2: don't know. God might have for you to get hit
Speaker 2: by a train tomorrow. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: if God has gifted us with breath and we have
Speaker 2: the ability to eat better food and to move our bodies,
Speaker 2: we need to be doing so for the glory of God.
Speaker 1: I think. I think it's a great humble argument, and
Speaker 1: it's practical. If I get up for an early flight
Speaker 1: and I went to bed at midnight and I have
Speaker 1: to be at the airport at four, and I've learned
Speaker 1: it took a long time to finally realize, don't make
Speaker 1: any decisions on this day. Don't make any moral decisions,
Speaker 1: don't make any financial decisions, don't make any judgments on people.
Speaker 1: That's because you were You're drunk. Really, I want to
Speaker 1: go one more place with you because you mentioned earlier
Speaker 1: you're in Isaiah. Is that what you said? Yeah, So
Speaker 1: if we put all maybe put everything together on a
Speaker 1: on a good I know that you're a busy guide,
Speaker 1: so that things change and you have to adjust wisely
Speaker 1: in when it changes. But on a good, normal day,
Speaker 1: what does your reading look like? When is it? How
Speaker 1: are you?
Speaker 2: You know? Mark Dever? So I'm gonna throw Mark Dever
Speaker 2: under the busk, yeah, yeah a for clarity. Mark Dever
Speaker 2: is the godliest, most faithful man I know, and other
Speaker 2: than Christ and my wife and children, he has been
Speaker 2: God's greatest gift to me, and he has so guided
Speaker 2: in guarded me and all of my strengths and weaknesses,
Speaker 2: mainly weaknesses.
Speaker 1: He introduced us, by the way, that's right, sure you
Speaker 1: introduced us.
Speaker 2: So since the word saved me. Most mornings, I've been
Speaker 2: up at four am. And if you walk into wherever
Speaker 2: I'm reading most of the time, it's my wife's office.
Speaker 2: All the lights are going to be off except for
Speaker 2: one lamp and one like spotlight that we use for
Speaker 2: filming content, and it's just fixed on my Bible. I'm
Speaker 2: the add king. I really struggle. I struggle to read
Speaker 2: and comprehend. I dyslo I understand things backwards. I read
Speaker 2: at a very high rate, but I understand very little,
Speaker 2: and so it takes me a long time, and it's
Speaker 2: often frustrating. But God has worked wonders and sanctifying me
Speaker 2: through having to sacrifice a lot of hours of sleep
Speaker 2: to draw near to Him. And not everyone needs to
Speaker 2: do that. Most people, for what I would read in
Speaker 2: a three hour time, they might be able to get
Speaker 2: it in in forty five minutes, right, and they might
Speaker 2: retain a lot more. I don't know, but that's been
Speaker 2: my habit, that those first two and a half three
Speaker 2: hours of every morning are just the Lord's and He
Speaker 2: has poured his word into my heart. Sometimes I remember
Speaker 2: it better than others, but he faithfully pours it out
Speaker 2: of me when he gives me an opportunity to boast
Speaker 2: in him. And I said, I was gonna throw Mark
Speaker 2: under the bus because in the last few weeks have
Speaker 2: gone through some just testing and different things. There's certain
Speaker 2: things mentally or I don't know if they're starting to
Speaker 2: slip or if we're just too busy, but we have
Speaker 2: all these concussion testing for the NFL and all this stuff.
Speaker 2: So I told Mark about it, and he was just
Speaker 2: put chrissy on the phone because he knows I won't listen.
Speaker 2: So he said Chrissy. This is what he's going to do.
Speaker 2: Whatever amount of time Heath reads his Bible, he's going
Speaker 2: to do half of it. Right, He's not going to
Speaker 2: cut his prayer time down. But whatever time he's reading
Speaker 2: his Bible, you're gonna make him cut it in half.
Speaker 2: And you're gonna make him sleep. You know that much
Speaker 2: more well, Mark nos So I've been the last I
Speaker 2: think three weeks now, I've been sleeping until five. I
Speaker 2: get up and I go in there and I just
Speaker 2: I hit my knees. I always start. I need help
Speaker 2: positioning my mind in humility, and so I pick up
Speaker 2: this book called Valley of Vision. I'm sure you've heard
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always in somewhere. It's always in the next
Speaker 1: room over for me.
Speaker 2: And most days it stirs my heart with affections for
Speaker 2: Christ because I see my sin more clearly. And then
Speaker 2: that'll lead me into praying for Chrissy. I have a
Speaker 2: list that I pray for every day, and then praying
Speaker 2: for the children, praying for myself. These last few weeks,
Speaker 2: I have not been praying as faithfully for our church,
Speaker 2: but through our church membership. Because Mark Dever took an
Speaker 2: hour away from my holy sanctification. But yeah, those morning
Speaker 2: hours have been sweet, you know, since twenty eighteen. And
Speaker 2: you just all the godly dead dudes that we love,
Speaker 2: they didn't even have half of them, didn't have electricity
Speaker 2: to run, lights to read, but they were still up
Speaker 2: in the wee hours of morning under candle light, reading
Speaker 2: and meditating on God's word. God was faithful to them,
Speaker 2: and he helped them finish strong, and their lives just
Speaker 2: oozed Jesus Christ and I believe it was because of
Speaker 2: their prayer time and their Bible study time.
Speaker 1: I've never talked to you about that, and I never
Speaker 1: heard you say that before, but I already was positive
Speaker 1: that that would be your answer. And you're right. You know,
Speaker 1: George Mueller, for a long time he would he would
Speaker 1: get up and pray and read, and he realized his
Speaker 1: prayer life was dead until he switched the two that
Speaker 1: the Bible the Scripture softened his cold dead heart and
Speaker 1: every morning and supercharged it so that then his prayer
Speaker 1: life came alive. Are you brushing your teeth before you
Speaker 1: do this? You got coffee? What's what's going on?
Speaker 2: I take our nite and our creatine collagen, caffeine so
Speaker 2: I'm putting good, good stuff in my system. I've never
Speaker 2: been a coffee guy.
Speaker 1: Just before you open the Bible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So when that alarm goes off, I wear these
Speaker 2: stupid retainers to keep my teeth draight, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. So then I got to go there, put
Speaker 2: them in this little water, this little fizzy fizzy thing whatever, right,
Speaker 2: and then I go straight in. Man, this's is embarrassing.
Speaker 2: I don't brush my teeth first, but I ain't gonna
Speaker 2: lot to y'all.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And then I get our our Knight, our creatine collagen,
Speaker 2: and our electrolytes, and so I hydrate immediately. The ignite,
Speaker 2: which is our kind of visceral fat burner, just really
Speaker 2: kind of gives me a nice clean caffeine stem from
Speaker 2: my mind. It really helps me focus in. And then
Speaker 2: I lock in. Yeah, and then I lock in. Uh,
Speaker 2: I lock in for a few hours and worship the Lord.
Speaker 1: I was in a men's conference one time in Montana
Speaker 1: and I did a poll on that question. You're in
Speaker 1: the majority. People typically would brush their teeth after their
Speaker 1: quiet time for some reason. I'm in the minority of
Speaker 1: I wake up brush my teeth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then that's why your teeth are prayer? What's what?
Speaker 2: I sleep with this mouth tit and I don't ever
Speaker 2: really have morning breath, so like I brush my teeth
Speaker 2: too hard. Chrissy's on me all the time.
Speaker 1: We'll get.
Speaker 2: You know, so I know she'll tell you she didn't
Speaker 2: have morning breath either. It's like, listen, God's been so kind.
Speaker 1: That is great.
Speaker 2: Wow. We don't cuddle much because I'm too heavy to
Speaker 2: make her hot. You know. It's it's about about four
Speaker 2: minutes each night, hand on her half time. I I
Speaker 2: like fall asleep praying for like she tells the funniest
Speaker 2: stories because I get I'm so exhausted at the end
Speaker 2: of the night. So I'm like I just put my
Speaker 2: hand on her chest, you know, and she laughs because
Speaker 2: I'll fall asleep like a narcoleptic, and then I'll wake
Speaker 2: up like literally two minutes later, sometimes like right where
Speaker 2: I right where I was left off in the prayers.
Speaker 2: She's like, I don't know how you do this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I as amber and I as our marriage gets older,
Speaker 1: she gets imperture wise. Hey, it looks wise too. She
Speaker 1: gets hotter and I get I get colder. Like She's
Speaker 1: She's like, I turned this act. I get you know,
Speaker 1: I gotta get these blankets off, and I'm like kind
Speaker 1: of chili dude, like we're going opposite directions. But but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she needs to cope on.
Speaker 2: Amber, sleep with awaited blanket like Chrissy.
Speaker 1: Does I do. Actually, she doesn't because she can't. She
Speaker 1: can't take that. She she can't take the heat.
Speaker 2: Christy Lilac so hot. Oh my, you's got a fifteen
Speaker 2: pound blanket on your chest. I'm like, what are you doing.
Speaker 1: That's a different episode. But dude, that that that routine is.
Speaker 1: I've said this people, I've thought about this before. When
Speaker 1: you seek first the Kingdom of Heaven, it means way
Speaker 1: more than that, But it doesn't mean any less than
Speaker 1: actually physically starting the day with Him first, the first fruits,
Speaker 1: the first fruits, Bonhoffer. You to say, don't talk until
Speaker 1: you've going through your quiet time, don't listen or talk
Speaker 1: to anyone until God speaks. Let God have the first word. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these guys took this seriously.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And when you when you hear about a moral failure,
Speaker 1: a big public moral failure, almost always at the root
Speaker 1: of it, you find they lost their daily devotional Their
Speaker 1: morning devotional time was gone. Yeah, it's gone away.
Speaker 2: And the pastor's burden of studying to feed and studying
Speaker 2: to be fed, you know, and how often those blur
Speaker 2: and I find those borring for me just to minister
Speaker 2: to our men and our women. But it's such a
Speaker 2: dangerous temptation, right that somehow I think I don't need
Speaker 2: to be fed, that I only need to gather to feed. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a that's a dangerous road, bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what an honor. But you're here. Thank you for
Speaker 1: passing through. I hope to have you back.
Speaker 2: And you name it.
Speaker 1: You're You're a brother and a mentor. And I promise
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