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Speaker 1: You are back here part to interview with Dirt Durham,

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Speaker 1: my good buddy marketing manager here for Phelps game calls,

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Speaker 1: great elk caller. Uh. And then, even more important than

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Speaker 1: just being a great elk caller out in the woods,

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Speaker 1: he knows what to do when they're out there. So

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Speaker 1: the last episode we answer some questions like how long

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Speaker 1: will he work a bowl before changing tactics? How do

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Speaker 1: we determine whether to be aggressive or slow play? Um,

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Speaker 1: we talk on you know, what calls he uses, wild hunting? Um.

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Speaker 1: You know when set up calling. You want to be

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Speaker 1: account involved in some of those things. To go back

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Speaker 1: and check the old episode out. Now we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: into the new stuff. Um, once again, we're gonna take

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Speaker 1: some US your questions, some listener questions here right off

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Speaker 1: the bat. If you have questions of your own, feel

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Speaker 1: free to email us at ct the at Phelps game

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Speaker 1: calls Dot Com. So the first question I have for

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Speaker 1: you here, Dirk, from a listener. When should you be

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Speaker 1: quiet versus? When can you get away with making noise?

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Speaker 1: Well in the Elk Woods? Um. So we'll kind of

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Speaker 1: go back to that. Locating a bowl right, so we've

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Speaker 1: heard this bowl reply three or four times. We decided

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Speaker 1: we want to get to that bowl. He's across the Canyon. Okay, Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna travel of the way there to that bowl

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Speaker 1: with without much regard to noise. You know, we're not

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Speaker 1: gonna talk out loud by of course, but we're gonna walk,

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Speaker 1: you know, as quickly as we can to get to

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Speaker 1: cover the distance. But we may be kicking rocks every

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Speaker 1: now and then, we may be breaking the branch, we

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Speaker 1: may be swishing through the brush. It's okay because we're

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Speaker 1: still at quite a distance and we're not worrying about

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Speaker 1: those those elk hearing that. You know. Um, if there's,

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Speaker 1: if I will say though, if there's some open ground,

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Speaker 1: you know, we want to make sure we try to

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Speaker 1: avoid walking through great big openings, especially quickly. Um, just because,

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Speaker 1: let's say, on one side of the Canyon has lots

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Speaker 1: a lot of openings. Should avoid those openings because a

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Speaker 1: lot of times when you're in those trees, you can

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Speaker 1: look out across and see those open hillsides. So you

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Speaker 1: don't want to get kind of caught walking across there,

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Speaker 1: but I I don't, I don't try to be quiet

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Speaker 1: until I get to that last little bit when I

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Speaker 1: start I looking at my phone and looking at my

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Speaker 1: on x, on my my little uh way point. I

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Speaker 1: put where I thought that bowl was when I started

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Speaker 1: getting about two yards from that bowl. Now I'M gonna

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Speaker 1: start slowing down, start slowing down and start being a

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Speaker 1: lot quieter because I don't want to know, let him

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Speaker 1: know I'm coming right. I want to get up close,

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Speaker 1: I want to get everything to my advantage. I want

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Speaker 1: to have I want to have the wind right, I

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Speaker 1: want to have trained features in my advantage. Um. That

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Speaker 1: way I can get as close as I can, almost

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Speaker 1: if I stay quiet just it just kind of depends

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Speaker 1: spot in stock. But in certain situations, especially if a

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Speaker 1: and you know, according to that bowl, we don't exist.

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Speaker 1: I'll do the same thing, very very quiet, all the

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Speaker 1: you didn't make a noise, he doesn't even know you

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Speaker 1: But he was ripping bugles at a very, very close distance,

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Speaker 1: You know, situation dependent, Um man. Sometimes it's really tempting

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Speaker 1: Dustin and I in we were hunting and from first

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Speaker 1: that face north and we all know they elk like

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Speaker 1: of times there's little little wallows or little seeps or

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Speaker 1: You know, especially if it's big dark timber. They can

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Speaker 1: stay there without having to reposition. So looking at the

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Speaker 1: finger age after fingers. Are About five of them in

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go to each one, call into it and

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Speaker 1: the morning. Some days, you know a lot of times

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00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,200
Speaker 1: when it's a full moon, um, that within an hour

425
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,479
Speaker 1: of first light they're they're in their bedroom. You know,

426
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 1: they make their way, they're quick Um. So how they're moving,

427
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 1: this definitely gonna dictate on and how we're gonna set up.

428
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 1: And and sometimes, Um, if they're moving pretty fast, then

429
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not even thinking of calling in the help.

430
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to maintain and follow and keep track

431
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 1: of them. Right, I'M gonna I'M gonna gonna stay with

432
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 1: them as best I can and just and keep tabs

433
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 1: on them as they climb the mountain or come off

434
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 1: the mountain, depending on where they're going to bed versus

435
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 1: where they fed the night before. Um. And you know

436
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 1: you can if they're on the move and you're like, okay,

437
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 1: let's get set up here. Um, a lot of times

438
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 1: you can stand there and waste twenty, thirty minutes and

439
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: those elk will completely move out of the county if

440
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: if you're trying to set up um when they're in transition.

441
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 1: So I don't typically try to set up. But then

442
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 1: them times, unless I actually have a bowl coming my way,

443
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: then I'm like, okay, I'm gonna I'M gonna set go

444
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: ahead and set up now. But if if the ELK

445
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: are moving towards their bedding area, I'm just trying to

446
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 1: keep tabs, trying to keep up. Maybe, if the terrain

447
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: is is gentle enough, I'm gonna try to push my

448
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 1: way up towards him hard to where he feels crowded

449
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: and maybe turns back and wants to come and fight. Um,

450
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 1: I've had I've had to work both ways. You know,

451
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 1: sometimes you just kind of dog push them and dog

452
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: them all the way towards your betting area and they'll

453
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: turn around and come back before they even hit the

454
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: betting areas. But sometimes they just they just just keep

455
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: on going and they go lay down for a while. So, UM,

456
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: every scenario is a little bit different, but you just

457
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 1: have to kind of know when to set up and

458
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 1: when not to. And I would say definitely when they're

459
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: on transition and they're climbing the mountain, you should be

460
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 1: climbing the mountain instead of setting up and try to

461
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 1: get a shot. For sure. And if we were to

462
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 1: and we're not gonna have good numbers, but would you

463
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: say you're more likely to call a bulling that's already

464
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: heading your way versus, you know, one thing, if possible,

465
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: and it's not always possible, I hate to try to

466
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: call a bulling back to the opposite direction he's wanting

467
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: to travel or follow his cows. It seems like it

468
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: becomes exponentially hard or maybe even into like single digit success.

469
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: Versus if I can somehow muster up the energy or

470
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 1: come up with a plan to get in front of

471
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: them and let them continue on the way that they're

472
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 1: wanting to go, my odds seem to be way higher.

473
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: Have you found that? You know, same, same thing to

474
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: hold true, not trying to get them to change what

475
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: they're doing. Yeah, I almost feel like if they've already

476
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: pushed through that area, that's almost like scorched earth right,

477
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: that it's really hard to get him to come backtrack

478
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: and come back to that unless maybe the you know,

479
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: the herds been split. Let's say half of his cows

480
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: are up on the hill and there's half still down below. Um, yeah,

481
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 1: he may come back down to gather up those cows again,

482
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: or those cows just may and be like, oh, we

483
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 1: gotta go to Daddy, and they'll just run up the hill.

484
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: But more times than not, Um, it's super hard to

485
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: get them to backtrack. But if they're coming towards you,

486
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: if they're already coming towards you, yeah, definitely that'd be

487
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: a good time to try to call one in. Uh,

488
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: and that might be a time to think about all right,

489
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: where are we gonna set up? Because they are moving

490
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: towards US anyway. Um, we're on their natural path, Um,

491
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: on their national course. Maybe we can set up and

492
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: call him in here. Yeah, great, great points there, and

493
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give a little teeny tip there. We

494
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: talked about early on spotting that bowl across, looking at

495
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: the bull's behavior. You know, if I've got a bowl,

496
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: that's if I'M gonna try to call a herd bull in,

497
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: and the disparity of the Bulls and the pecking order

498
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: isn't so spread out that that bowls happen. The work

499
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: is but off in the morning and chase every satellite

500
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: bowl away like I'm pumped to go try to call

501
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: that herd bull in. Versus, when the disparity gets big,

502
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: it seems like, and there's a giant herd bowl or

503
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: very mature herd bowl and he doesn't even really give

504
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: a crap about the other satellite bowls because they're not

505
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: willing to get close like that one. I'm not so

506
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: much looking forward to go call in. So you know,

507
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: by by looking at the temperament and how active a

508
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: herd bull is and how much work he has to

509
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: do to keep satellites gives me a little bit of

510
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, that's in the back of my mind as

511
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:41,959
Speaker 1: I go try to call these bulls in, is just

512
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: how aggressive he is and a lot of it has

513
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: to do with like that pecking order and how you know,

514
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: the disparity from top to bottom. Um. So keep that

515
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: in mind, you know, as you're on your way to

516
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: setting up, if you can get that information. You know

517
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: a lot of times if you're if you just get

518
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: a bugle back or you're not able to lay eyes

519
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: on everything, you can't get that. But Um, you know,

520
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 1: big important part to some of the strategy that we're

521
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: gonna Start with and knowing the bowl that you're you're

522
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 1: dealing with. So let's say we we've come up with

523
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: a plan. Um, we've we've located elk, the first thing

524
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: we usually do is try to figure out can we

525
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: approach now? Should we approach now, or we're gonna leave

526
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: them until a different time? Um. You know, a lot

527
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: of that has to do with the amount of time

528
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna take to get over there, to get to

529
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: a good set up, Um, what the wind is gonna

530
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: be doing. Um, you know, do we need to go

531
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: set up on the different side? And so maybe we'll

532
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: we'll look at this as like a nighttime approach. Um.

533
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: How do you make that decision? Whether you're gonna go now,

534
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: whether you're gonna wait for the wind to switch, whether

535
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: you're maybe gonna go get them, you know, in the evening?

536
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: Like what all goes into that decision for you? Um, yeah,

537
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: a lot of it just depends on, you know, what

538
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: time of day is it, what is the wind doing?

539
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: Like you said, how much time do we have left

540
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: in the day? Is this? Is this the last hour

541
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: of light? Is this mid day? Is this morning? Um?

542
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: But the one thing I will you know, I will

543
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: say is like the wind or usually dictates everything. Um, typically, um.

544
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: And and there's you know, we kind of talked about

545
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: it earlier. We touched on it earlier quite a bit. About.

546
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: You know, when do you give up on a bowl?

547
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: I may not give up on a bowl because the

548
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: wind is horrible and wrong, but I will wait in

549
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: the wings and press press pause on the game just

550
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: until that wind gets good and and you have to

551
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: like you can't. You can be tricked. You can sit

552
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: there for two hours and think, okay, the wind is

553
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: good now and you get up and walk a hunter

554
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: yards and then the wind switches again. I like to

555
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: have it, you know, maintain, you know, fifteen minutes or

556
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 1: so good steady wind, be like, okay, the wind is

557
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: definitely switched and it's gonna Probably gonna stay like this

558
00:27:49,880 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: for a while. Now it's time to make a move. Well,

559
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: this we made all these decisions right and we're getting

560
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: over to where we want to set up. Um, we've

561
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: ideally got the wind in our face. We're gonna have

562
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: a steady wind. What is your checklist for a good

563
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: set up? Um, you know, go through everything as far

564
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: as like, are you setting up in front of trees?

565
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: Are you standing? Um, what's the terrain and vegetation look like?

566
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: Are you trying to call a bowl uphill, downhill, like,

567
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: go through everything that's on your checklist. For us and

568
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: and what kind of goes into those decisions. Well, ideally

569
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: when I'm going for the setup. So I've traveled of

570
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: the distance. Now I'm in that ten percent of the

571
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: distance left to the bowl. So I'm hoping I'm within

572
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: a hundred hundred fifty yards from the bowl. Um that

573
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: last little bit, you know, before I think I'm danger close.

574
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm looking, I'm assessing the terrain right I really want

575
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: to position and myself on the same topographical line as

576
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: that bowl where I think he is. That way, all

577
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: he has to do is come side hill to me. Um,

578
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: I've called Bulls Uphill, I've called Bulls Downhill and I've

579
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: called both side Hill. But the good thing about having

580
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: them come side hill to you is typically you know

581
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: your thermals are going to blow up or down. So

582
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: you've waited to the winds good. But let's say a

583
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: big cloud comes over and cools the cools the hillside

584
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you get a swirl of wind.

585
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: It automatically just changes directions and starts blowing back downhill. Um,

586
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: if you're not on that same contour as the bowl, um,

587
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: that could be a that could be where you get

588
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: fouled right Um. So I really love that. That way

589
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: I've got more of a cross wind I'm hunting in

590
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: rather than having a strong one in my face. A

591
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: strong one in your face is good, but sometimes, Um,

592
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: that means you have to try to call the bull

593
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: up or down. Um. And if I had my druthers,

594
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: if I had rather call one up or down, I

595
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: definitely had rather call one up to me then down.

596
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: It seems like more often than not, whenever I'm trying

597
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: to get a bull to come downhill to me, it's

598
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: just it's a tougher game. They have. They have the

599
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: advantage of being able to see you. Um, they do

600
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: have momentum and gravity on their side, but for whatever reason,

601
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: I think, I think it's that whole site thing, Um,

602
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: when they're when they're above you, a lot of times

603
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: it's a little tougher to get them to break free,

604
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: and for me it's at least it's been a little

605
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: tougher for him to get to break free. But I've

606
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: had him come climb up the hill right to me, Um,

607
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: a lot more often than we're coming down. But ideally, though,

608
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: I really want to try to get that bull on

609
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: that same level as me Um before I try to

610
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: call him in, because then, in case there's a snaffoo

611
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: with the wind and we still we're probably still good. God.

612
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: Are you in for a brush or behind brush, next

613
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: to a tree, kneeling, standing? What's your preferred Um, as

614
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: far as before you make your first call, like how

615
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: are you set up? And then, Um, you know, do

616
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: you one of the things you know, do you do?

617
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: You clean out brush on your feet so you're silent,

618
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: like go through, you know, in front of Brush, behind brush.

619
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: Where are you physically at during this setup? Right, well,

620
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: before I get to the spot where I'm actually physically

621
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: gonna stand, I've I'm assessing, you know, okay, I've I've

622
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: got my I've got my contour line right. I'm on

623
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: the same Contrat as this bowl. But now I'm looking,

624
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: I'm picking out shooting lanes right and I'm looking for

625
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: train brakes and looking for uh Um, topography breaks and

626
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: I'm looking for Um shooting lanes. So if I can,

627
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: if I got like five really good shooting lanes, like man,

628
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: I can shoot the seventy here and I can shoot

629
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: the fifty over here and I can shoot shoot the

630
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: sixty in this one. You know I can. I can

631
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: shoot out a really long distance and about five different

632
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: shooting lanes. Man, I'm in the wrong spot. I am

633
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: set up in the wrong spot because that bowl, whenever

634
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,479
Speaker 1: they get to that that edge break, whether it's a

635
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: the edge of the trees, edge of the brush meadow

636
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: edge Um, or maybe they've climbed up a hill or

637
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: they come over a ridge, that's where they're going to

638
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: hang up, the first place that they can stand to

639
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: see where those calls are coming from. That's usually where

640
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: they're going to hang up. So I want to make

641
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: sure if they come in and hang up, it's going

642
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: to be close right. So if I'm solo calling, I

643
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: want to make my calls and then move up close

644
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: to where I think they're going to hang up. And

645
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: if I'm with with another hunter, which is really great,

646
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: which is makes it a lot nicer most of the time,

647
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: is I want my shooter to be set up at

648
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: that at that Um terrain break or that topography break,

649
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: you know, or that Ridge just that way. The first

650
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: place that that bowl is going to set up that

651
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: that that hunter will have a good chance to shoot

652
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: at them. So then second okay, once I've identified that okay,

653
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: I've got I've got an okay shooting lane. Can shoot

654
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: twenty yards through this one. Um, I've got kind of

655
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: a crappy when I can shoot five yards. And and

656
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: then there was one a little bit better. I can

657
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: shoot about ten yards. You know, that's ideal. You know,

658
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: a bowl is going to have to come in really

659
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: close to see me or he's gonna have to come

660
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: out by the by the shooter to take a look

661
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: over to where the collars at. So that's that's what

662
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: you want. You don't want to have a whole ton

663
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: of shooting lines. You want to have a you know,

664
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: pretty tight and then I'm gonna look down at my feet. Right, okay,

665
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: I may have to stand here for quite a while.

666
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: I may stand in this spot for five minutes, I

667
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: may stand in this spot for forty minutes. Um. So

668
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: I'M gonna I'M gonna look down at my feet. Pine

669
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: needles are there are a bunch of pine needles under

670
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: my feet. Sticks. Um, am I standing in brush? I

671
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: want my back up to a big tree or something

672
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: that's not gonna show my outline. Let's say I'm gonna

673
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: blend into like there's a great big Bush and I

674
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: kind of blend into that. Um, I always turn around

675
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: and look behind me make sure there's not a whole

676
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: bunch of daylight. You know, I don't want to be

677
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: silhouetted with a big daylight background. I want something to

678
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: break up my outline, whether it be a tree or

679
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: a big brush pile. I want to be in front

680
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: of that tree or brush pile. I'm gonna let my

681
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 1: cameo do my work. For the guys who don't wear camel,

682
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: that's okay too, because you're wearing earth tones typically. Right,

683
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: YOU'RE gonna stand in front of something and let it

684
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: break up your outline and then you're gonna stand there

685
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 1: very emotionalless. You'RE NOT gonna stand there Um swatting flies

686
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: or swating, swatting mosquitoes or, you know, pointing this way,

687
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: you're pointing that way, you're scratching your nose, you know,

688
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: if you if you have to scratch or something, that's okay.

689
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: You just have to move really slow. You know, slow

690
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: movements there. Those are hard to pick off in the woods, versus,

691
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: you know, a white hand moving around, Um, you know,

692
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: swatting flies around. So, Um, you want to stand there emotionless.

693
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: I don't want any twigs, any branches, anything under my feet.

694
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: And I and a lot of times I look around.

695
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, if the bull is gonna come in

696
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: to my left and I can't quite get a shot,

697
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: maybe I need to be able to take two or

698
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: three sidesteps over there to get a shot. I want

699
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: to make sure there's that's clear, there's no branches or

700
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: there's no twigs in that in that way I can

701
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: just move take two side steps quickly, quietly and then

702
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: and then get him right. But if if you stand

703
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 1: in like a big, a big bunch of branches where, Um,

704
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: any movement is going to make a noise, that's that's

705
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: gonna tip off that bowl. Another thing I've I've found

706
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: over the years that's really, really fouled me up is

707
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: setting up with a like a big windfall in front

708
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: of me that has long branches or one that's kind

709
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: of like it's not all the way on the ground,

710
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: let's say it's, you know, Waiste, high off the ground,

711
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: and then there's branches. Man, I get away from them,

712
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: those windfalls, and not set up by them, because Um,

713
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: every time bulls will walk up on the other side

714
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: of that windfall, and I think that might be by design.

715
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: If they know they put a windfall in between them

716
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: and their rival. They know that rival can't just sabotage

717
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: him right. Um, they feel like that's a maybe that's

718
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 1: like a safety net um or maybe even a predator.

719
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: Like a Predator wouldn't be able to have, you know,

720
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: come through that windfall very easily. So every every time

721
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: there's a windfall in the way, they always walked up

722
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: behind it. So if I see a windfall, I get

723
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: away from it and, uh, redetermine where I want to

724
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: set up. I don't kneel. Um, the only time I

725
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: would kneel is if I would be able to have

726
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: if there was too many branches at normal standing level

727
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: and if I had to kneel and I had like really,

728
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: really good shots because there were no branches low, I

729
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 1: might kneel then, but that would be the only time.

730
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: I typically don't kneel. I've been I've in my in

731
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: my young days, I kneeled a few times and every

732
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: time I would get, you know, the bull would come

733
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: in where I didn't think he was gonna come, or

734
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: I would kneel for so long my feet would fall asleep.

735
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,959
Speaker 1: And I get so uncomfortable. Then I was moving around

736
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: and shifting around and then a bullet come in and

737
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 1: see me moving around. So I I like to stand

738
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: Um more often than not, unless there's you know, unless

739
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: you know, the foliage of the trees or whatever makes

740
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: me makes me kneel. Yeah, I was gonna add that tip.

741
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: Um as you're setting up, you know, trying to minimize movement,

742
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: which can be an oversight. But if you're if you're

743
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: looking the wrong direction, I always like to set up

744
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: with my left shoulder, you know, at least facing like

745
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: the extreme right, right, you know, the right, as far

746
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: right as I expect that bowl to come, because there's

747
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: a right handed shooter. I know I can lean. You know,

748
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: I can turn my body very, very easily to the

749
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: counterclockwise direction, but I can only go about ten degrees

750
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: further in the right and so being able to get

751
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: a shot. I like to always like over emphasize and

752
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: that just it seems like it's way overkilled, but it's

753
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: just trying to limit any movement. Is that bull comes

754
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: in in an unexpected spot. You know, we do our

755
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: best to guess, but you just never really know where

756
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: that bull is gonna end up. And so by being

757
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: on your feet with your shoulder facing him, Um, it

758
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: gives me the ability to shoot pretty well, you know,

759
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: degrees to my left and be pretty natural, already in

760
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 1: the right position, um, for shooting a bow and everything.

761
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: So it's just little, teeny pieces that we've picked up.

762
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: And then I also wanted to add in Um. You know,

763
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: as as you're setting up, like Dirk said, you you can't.

764
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: I made the mistakes setting up in brush and you've

765
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: got Arrow hanging out in front of your bow. You

766
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: can't move. You can't move without making Um. You know

767
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: no no, you know any noise. And so we've just

768
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: found up, you know, set in front, let the brush

769
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: break up your outline, Um, and and go with that.

770
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: I do want to touch on wind a little bit, Um,

771
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: and this comes from a lot of personal experience. Um,

772
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, calling Elkin, we always talk

773
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: about keeping your nose into the wind right, which is great.

774
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: It's failed proof. But with that said, there's a law

775
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: out of Um, conservativeness built in with that wind being directly,

776
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, on your nose. I'm just taking a guess

777
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: at it's probably not a t degrees, but that elk

778
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: would have to circle you a long way is probably

779
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: to get that wind right. You know they can probably

780
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: go for sure ninety degrees, they can be off to

781
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: your left and they're probably gonna have to go another

782
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: forty five degrees behind you to finally pick your wind up.

783
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: What this led to a lot, especially as a solo color,

784
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: was the opportunity given for a shot was typically frontal.

785
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: Um I'm not going to, you know, debate on the

786
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: podcast whether you know what you're gonna do with frontals,

787
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,479
Speaker 1: but what happened is, you know, naturally an elk wants

788
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: to smell whatever is calling to them. They're trying to

789
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: wind check. You know, you as the caller. So as

790
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: you go to set up, I would rather have that wind,

791
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: let's say, hit my right cheekbone or my right cheek,

792
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: and almost so. Now we're not playing. The wind is perfect.

793
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: The winds no longer on our nose, but we've set

794
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: up with a consistent enough wind that you can predict,

795
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: uh more accurately which direction you expect that bowl to go.

796
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: So if the wind, let's say, is hitting our right

797
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: cheek or our right ear, somewhere in between there, we

798
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: can now Um, guess with pretty damn good certainty that

799
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: that bowl is going to get to within sixty, seventy,

800
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: maybe eight yards and start to do a circle to

801
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: our left. Um, which is a great tip for especially

802
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: when you're doing two person calling. Um. We use that

803
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: in the Mexico back in where you were calling, I

804
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: went forward and to the left and the wind was

805
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: blowing up the hill and so it kind of drove

806
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: that elk into our position at a more broadside shot. Versus,

807
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, if I would have gotten perfect line with

808
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: Dirk Um on the direction you were calling that bowl

809
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: into me, I would have been presented with the frontal

810
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: and when, you know, as he turned and came up

811
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: that hill. Um. So. So, use the wind a little

812
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: bit as a steering wheel and don't necessarily use it

813
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: to be perfect all the time. There's there's some leadway

814
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: in there, UM, and by by using a little bit

815
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: of those angles you can, you can get yourself presented

816
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: with a little bit better broadside shot. That happened to

817
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,959
Speaker 1: make a tough decision on the frontal shot. Yeah, that's

818
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: that's great information. Another thing I'll say to like getting

819
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: set up for the shot is Um as soon as

820
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: you like determine that's where you're gonna set up. Knock

821
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: an Arrow right then, right there, like I'm this is

822
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: where I'm setting up here, I immediately knock an Arrow.

823
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: I can take my ranges, I can range everything later, um,

824
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: but if if a bull all of a sudden just

825
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: comes in, I don't know how many times. Um, Bulls

826
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 1: will unpredictably come in a lot quicker than you may think.

827
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: If you're not knocked up, it's really hard to get

828
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: an arrow on your string when a bull stand there

829
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: and then get a shot off. So, Um, first thing

830
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: I do knock up an Arrow and then I cleaned.

831
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: I cleaned the ground around me after I'm knocked up,

832
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: and then after that I go ahead and range everything.

833
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: Settle in. Um, I usually range. That's usually the last

834
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: thing I do, Um, just because then it's all fresh

835
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: in my mind too, and I may have to you know,

836
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: my memory is about as long as my pinky. So

837
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: as I'm set up there, if I have, you know,

838
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: time to make a few more movements, you know, I

839
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: may range. After I've done everything right, then I may

840
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: arrange again a little later just to refresh my memory.

841
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: I want to touch on real quick a lot of

842
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: times we're doing our own calling for ourselves, Um, but

843
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: there are times where we're calling for for buddies. Um.

844
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: We always talk about kind of the fight or flight

845
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: and being aggressive, especially when you're trying to call a

846
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: herd bowl or be within that zone. How far do

847
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: you want your color back, because, in my opinion, you

848
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: may be taking your color, which is the threat to

849
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: that bowl, out of that zone. But you know, how

850
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: how far do you do you want your color to

851
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: be back? And why? Um, I like I like my

852
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: shooter and caller to be within sight distance of each other, Um,

853
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: especially if, Um, you guys haven't really hunted together much.

854
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: Let's say this is the first time you've gone hunting together,

855
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: or maybe, Um, you're both new hunting and just haven't

856
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: really hunted with partners or done a lot of calling, uh,

857
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: and it's really imperative, in my opinion, to be to

858
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: be within, uh, you know, site distance of each other because, Um,

859
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: you shoot her, you know they're right on the front line.

860
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: They may see them some things that you don't see.

861
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: And if and if he can make a motion to

862
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: you're like hey, man, stop calling or call more or

863
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: back up or move forward. You know, he can kind

864
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: of he can kind of coach you along too, of

865
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 1: what's what's going on up there that you can't see,

866
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: and vice versa. Let's say maybe, maybe your your shooters

867
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 1: hasn't really done much calling of elk or been involved

868
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: with calling elk. You may want, you know, you're you're

869
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: the quarterback of the situation, as the color, you may

870
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: want to move up or you may want to like

871
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: hand signal, like hey, move up or fall back. Um,

872
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: you may want to give him some signals. But if

873
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: you don't have sight of each other and he's being

874
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 1: quiet and all you're doing is calling, and it's really

875
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: easy to get like spread out and then like man,

876
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: we're on two different pages here, that the elk is

877
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: coming and you've you know, your shooter has kind of

878
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: gone off somewhere else and or wow, we need to

879
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: move up now, let's let's go. You know, there's like

880
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: certain times, Um, when you make that decision like we

881
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 1: have to move up and we have to move now,

882
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 1: if you don't know where your shooter is, uh, that

883
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: that's a problem. That poses a very big problem. So

884
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: I like to keep us, you know, within, within I

885
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, seeing distance, but I will say there's an exception.

886
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: So let's say the Bulls hung up and he's raking

887
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: across the draw or something, or up on top of

888
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: the Ridge. He's talking, but he's raking. He's not coming.

889
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: That's a that's a really great opportunity for for you

890
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: two to do. Agree to say, okay, shooter, you sneak up,

891
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: you you go up there, sneak up on that bowl

892
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: when he's when he's rubbing or raking his antlers on

893
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: a tree, Um, instead of just sitting there being tight.

894
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: You know, let's say he's been he's you've been calling

895
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: for a while. You don't think he's gonna Company further,

896
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: but he's just standing over there ranking and ranking. Man.

897
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: You're crazy not to send your shooter ahead and sneak

898
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: up while he's preoccupied and let that let that collar

899
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: stand back there and just, you know, keep him going

900
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: and let your shooters sneak in for sure. Um. One

901
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to add to set up to Um,

902
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: and this gets a little bit more into calling, but

903
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: it's it's one of my favorite setups because it's like

904
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: pulling the wild card out. Is there are just special

905
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: setups where you've got multiple herds that have come together, Um,

906
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: you know, and it's it's kind of that zone. Um,

907
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: you know, these these elk, and those are those magical

908
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: setups you can you can set up a hundred times,

909
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: you know, on the same elk, but you get, you know,

910
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: similar to we we've talked about a ton that New

911
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 1: Mexico set up where there were multiple large herd bowls

912
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: in one location. Um, those are those magical setups where

913
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: you just want to be a part of it, you

914
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: want to be involved and and be ready. Like you said,

915
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: that's definitely a situation where you want to have, um,

916
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: your aero knocked. But I don't I don't really know

917
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 1: where to go with this. But there have been multiple times,

918
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: you know, two thousand and sixteen, Idaho, New Mexico. Um,

919
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: you know Tyson's Idaho Bowl in two thousand and eighteen.

920
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: There are times where, if you can approach the situation

921
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: be fairly silent and just kind of sneak into these zones,

922
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: you almost I don't want to say you don't have

923
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: to do any calling, but you can almost sneak in

924
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: there and just let the chaos of the situation like

925
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: work in your advantage. So, uh, you know, it's not

926
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: necessarily on how to set up, but I guess it's

927
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: to recognize those opportunities when there's multiple Bulls biggling and

928
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: going at each other. You just have to somehow find

929
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: your way into those situations because it's it's one of

930
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: those few magic, you know, Magical Times that we get

931
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: through experience in the Oak Woods and it's usually pretty

932
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: damn good for somebody trying to Arrow one of these bulls. Yeah,

933
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: I found myself in that situation last year New Mexico.

934
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: We heard the bulls from afar and man, we just

935
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: moved in, moved in, moved in. I put, I literally

936
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: put the calls away until we got, you know, we

937
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: were seeing legs in the under the trees right Um,

938
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: and if I had it to do over again, I

939
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: think I would have taken a little different line. You know, Um,

940
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: from the movement of the elk at that point to

941
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: where they were then I felt like they were going

942
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: to keep moving. So we were still right right, directly

943
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: behind them. I feel like if I hadn't known they

944
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: were going to keg up for a little bit on

945
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: that little knob, I would have kind of I would

946
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: have pulled off and went um circle, or not above them,

947
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: but get up on that same the same topographical line,

948
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: and came in from the side and put myself in

949
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: a better position. Um, because, you know, again they were

950
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: above us, they had the side advantage. We can only

951
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: get so close without getting picked off. And then we

952
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: started calling at that point and man, we almost made

953
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: it happen, but it just didn't quite didn't quite happen.

954
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: But you and maybe I shouldn't start calling. Maybe I

955
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: should have just like shut up and just let things

956
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: unfold too. Because Um, that let's let's face it. I

957
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: think you know, we love we love calling elk, we

958
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 1: love the exhilaration, we love the chase. Um, it's so fun.

959
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: But the spot and Scott guys probably kill bigger bulls

960
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: every year than the guys calling. So that's probably the

961
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: truth of the matter. So Um, maybe maybe you know,

962
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: be you know, don't get stuck in in such one mindset.

963
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: You know, be able to pivot if you need to. Um,

964
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: if if you think you know this is one of

965
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: those times to shut up and not call and sneak in, yeah,

966
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: do it, and if that don't work, then pull the

967
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: calls out. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's just those are

968
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: those are places where you just fly on the wall,

969
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: take it all in and it's it's usually chaos. So

970
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: let's say we've got the set up perfect. We've gotten location,

971
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 1: you know, the Oak, the bulls a hundred yards away.

972
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: We've got our set up, we've got the wind right.

973
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: We're set up thirty to forty yards away from the

974
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: terrain break. We're set up that same distance from from

975
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: a brush, you know line. We're not. We've we've cleared

976
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: out all the hang up locations. Now what we have

977
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: to do is figure out how we're gonna call Um.

978
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,720
Speaker 1: How does your calling change, let's say young satellite versus

979
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: medium satellite versus a herd bull, and how are you

980
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: going to kind of finish off this setup with your

981
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: calling based on what you think you're calling to Um? Yeah,

982
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: I just try to, you know, as far as the

983
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: size of the or the sound of my Bugle, I

984
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: usually try to just match what I'm dealing with, you know.

985
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: So if the bulls kind of sound mediocre, their beagles

986
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: aren't Super Nasty, I trying to I try to Bagle

987
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: the same way they do. If it's if it's big

988
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 1: herd bulls, just blaring everything they got. Then I usually

989
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: pull out that card to Um, because I've tried both.

990
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: You know, Um. You know experiment with with with different

991
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: tactics over the years. So you know, Um, oh well,

992
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: you know, big Herd Bull, I'm gonna Bugle like a

993
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 1: little whimp and then he won't be intimidated so he'll

994
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: want to come and chase me off. But I feel

995
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: like I've had less success with that than anything. I

996
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: feel like that that bull hears me, he's like, you're

997
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: kidding me right, you're a joke, you're not gonna do

998
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: you're you're like a probably a four point Raghorn. I'm

999
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: the King of the mountain. I'M NOT gonna get be

1000
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: concerned with you. You know, a lot of times I

1001
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: even had them where they wouldn't even answer me. But Man,

1002
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: when I turned up the heat and turn up the

1003
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: volume and sound really nasty, gets give him some really

1004
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: nasty big bugles, boom it's all of a sudden I'm

1005
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: speaking in their language and they're like Hey, shut up

1006
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: down there. You know, maybe I become a threat at

1007
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: that point and then you kind of get in their

1008
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: head a little bit. Yeah, we used to hunt Idaho

1009
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: all the time and some of the burns and stuff

1010
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: we would we would locate or spot, you know, satellite

1011
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: bowls that were five yards away from, let's say the

1012
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: main herd herd bowl or the more dominant, uh, you

1013
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: know satellites, and it would just be the smaller satellites,

1014
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: but maybe there was a bowl in there we wanted

1015
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: to call in and and a lot of times we

1016
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: could hurry over there. And one thing usually I'm the

1017
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: same as you. I've I've killed a ton of, you know,

1018
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: very young satellite bowls way back in the day and

1019
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: we use just straight herd bowl tactics on all of that.

1020
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: You know, I think they're they're fairly curious. It's almost

1021
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: like they know, like there they go and check things

1022
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: out for the herd bowl or they just come and

1023
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: check you out anyways. Um, so we've used that with

1024
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: great success on satellite bowls. But Um, if we know

1025
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: we're targeting a satellite bowl, that's the one time I

1026
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: may go over there do all the same stuff. We're

1027
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: still setting up the same making sure winds right, everything's good,

1028
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: but we may just lay on a ton of heavy

1029
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: cow calling. Um, you know, those satellite bowls may not

1030
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,479
Speaker 1: be interested in coming over and run into a bowl.

1031
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: They may, you know, if that's the case, they just

1032
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 1: gonna keep following the herd. Um. So we will switch,

1033
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: you know, on young satellite even I've even found that

1034
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: the more mature satellite bowls that are just looking for

1035
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: an opportunity to cow even easier to call in, sometimes

1036
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: in those very young bulls because they're just wanting to

1037
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: stay with the herd, with their mom whatever it may be.

1038
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: Where that more mature satellite bowl he's just looking for

1039
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: his chance to breed. And so that will be the

1040
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: one instance where I do go away from kind of

1041
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: our aggressive, you know, get close to the herd and

1042
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: just kind of pour on a lot of cal calling

1043
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: and get those satellite bowls to come into our location. And,

1044
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: like I said, we were in burns a lot of this,

1045
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: so we were able to see like the more we

1046
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: cal called, the faster they kind of ran or scoot

1047
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: it over to our location. Um. So that's that's the

1048
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: one time where I seem to change change up my strategy.

1049
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: But I know what I'm dealing with. I know exactly

1050
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: what I've got and uh, you know, and and but

1051
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: other than that I'm the same as you're going and

1052
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 1: getting close, being fairly aggressive. Um, and and, like I said,

1053
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: I've I've got enough the proofs in the pudding that

1054
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,439
Speaker 1: being aggressive and calling the herd bowls will will turn

1055
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 1: up a whole lot of, you know, a whole lot

1056
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: of satellite bowls. Yeah, no, I like it. And one

1057
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: thing to note to on that. Like it's been my experience,

1058
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 1: and maybe you could could uh chime in here too,

1059
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: but Um, a lot of times when bulls come into

1060
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: cal call's that that last little bit, that last final

1061
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: approach before they come in. You know, sometimes we'll just

1062
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: come running right in, but but a lot of times

1063
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: they'll that, they'll break off and then they'll dip and

1064
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: try to get that wind at the last little bit. So,

1065
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: knowing that, if you have, let's say there's you got

1066
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: two or three buddies with you, you know, Um, make

1067
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: sure you set up with one guy or gal down when,

1068
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, forty fifty yards Um, they may feel like

1069
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: they're not in the in the in the game at all,

1070
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: but if you're just cal calling, a lot of times

1071
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: that's that's deadly, because that elks gonna go down low.

1072
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: That that that young bull is gonna want to see

1073
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: if they're that is actually a cow that's in heat,

1074
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: or maybe to see if there's another bowl there that

1075
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: hasn't been bugling. You know, he's gonna send check that

1076
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: make sure he doesn't get up to come up there

1077
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: and get his butt looked. Yeah, we've seen the same

1078
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: thing where they'll they'll circle, like I said you typically,

1079
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: you know there's been a few that haven't because we've

1080
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: played the wind too perfect. But typically every elk we

1081
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: call in Um aside from one, has always tried to

1082
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: go down wind and check wind as soon as possible

1083
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 1: on whatever is calling to them. So, yeah, they're gonna

1084
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: dip and dive Um and a lot of times one

1085
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: of the downside to calling in with just cow calls is,

1086
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: especially if you can't see in a burn, you don't

1087
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: really know what's coming, how fast they're they're coming in,

1088
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: if they're coming in at all. Right, you you maybe

1089
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: had heard a satellite vehicle or you spotted them and

1090
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: you can try to call them in the timber. You're

1091
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: really in the dark, like maybe I'm sitting here. You're

1092
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: you're not paying them much as much attention. You're moving

1093
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: more than you should, because you have no idea if

1094
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: something's coming, because a lot of times when you're you're

1095
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: laying on heavy cow calls to a satellite bowl, they

1096
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: just won't make a peep necessarily, Um, which is for me,

1097
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, being Um, you know, very impatient, it's tough

1098
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: for me to sit there. So yeah, cow calling is tough.

1099
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: They will split and Um, you know, on those sort

1100
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: of situations you're gonna have to probably give it thirty

1101
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: to forty five minutes, you know, before moving, just because

1102
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: you're not going to typically get it spots. Yeah, and

1103
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: there's been times too, you know whether I have been

1104
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: mugle into bowls or or Calcolon and they've been pretty

1105
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: reactive and and you you sit down and wait that

1106
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: hour or something. Maybe you decide you want to take

1107
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: a little nap, little nappy nap. Um, you'd be careful.

1108
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: There's there have been times you wake up from your

1109
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 1: nap and there's a bowl stand there or there busting

1110
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: off because they walk in and senior land on the ground.

1111
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: So Um, you know, sometimes it just takes them a

1112
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: while to get there. You just never know, especially in

1113
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 1: that really thick country. You just you don't know. What's coming. Yeah,

1114
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: great tips and hopefully you know, just by putting a

1115
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: little bit of thought in your setup, you know, looking

1116
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: at your shooting lanes, looking at where you're at in

1117
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: relation to terrain breaks and vegetation. When we say that

1118
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: you can really boil down terrain breaks and vegetation breaks too.

1119
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: When can that elk expect to see your calling location,

1120
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,879
Speaker 1: that elk that's calling to it? When can it see

1121
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: it and when is it going to stop and reevaluate

1122
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: the situation? Um, that's what you're really looking at and

1123
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: then by you know your you know, different calling strategies. Hopefully,

1124
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: you know by setting up, we'll bring you more success

1125
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: this year. Dirt. Give us one more tip to kind

1126
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: of close out today's discussion to help you know, elk

1127
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: hunters out there that are maybe struggling or just need

1128
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: a good tip heading into this year. Um, we kind

1129
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: of touched on a little bit earlier. But, you know,

1130
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: don't give up. It's it's super easy to kind of

1131
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: give up on a bowl. Like you know, they've they've

1132
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: moved out of the area. You think, Um, and just

1133
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: don't give up. Or you know, sometimes three or four

1134
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: days of getting your teeth kicked in from bowls that

1135
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 1: are just you know, Um, they're smarter than you, which

1136
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: is most of them for me. And don't don't give up.

1137
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: After a lot of hardship, it seems like, Um, once

1138
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: you kind of hit rock bottom, that's usually when things

1139
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: kind of turned around. So expect that. Expect to have

1140
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: some highs, but have a lot more lows. But but

1141
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: know that it will come back around and they'll give

1142
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: up and go home, because if you go home and

1143
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: it's uh, your September vacation, you're just gonna end up

1144
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: painting the House or doing shoulders, mowing the lawn something.

1145
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: It's better to stay in the woods and and uh,

1146
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: and dig in a little deeper and a little harder

1147
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: and be like, okay, I know this is, this is,

1148
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: this sucks. Maybe we need to just dig in and

1149
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: stay at this. Now it's gonna get good, because it's

1150
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: been so crappy so far. Yeah, and and to add

1151
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: on to your point, Um, you know most, most good

1152
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: elk hunters or elk hunters that are successful every year.

1153
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: You know they're resilient, they're not going to give up

1154
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: and a lot of them can draw from past experience.

1155
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: You know it may be tough if you've never found

1156
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: success late in the hunt, um, but those of us

1157
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: that have, you realize that it may have been a

1158
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: hunt where you've heard no vehicles. It may have been

1159
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: a hunt up to that point that you've had no

1160
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: colon's under a hundred yards. But we've all been there

1161
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: and like well, we just killed the best all of

1162
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: our life, where we just had the greatest experience on

1163
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: day eight of of at ten day hunt, you know,

1164
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: and it was going so horrible until then. So it

1165
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: may be tough to draw from that if you haven't

1166
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: been there, but trust us, Um, we've had, you know,

1167
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: guys that are supposedly supposed to know what they're doing,

1168
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: like me and Dirk. We've had these situations play out

1169
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: where we're just like man, are we ever gonna be

1170
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: able to even call an elkin too? You know, the

1171
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: next thing you know is you're packing out a bowl

1172
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: and you know, having a good time and just like

1173
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: that the hunt switches. So be resilient, don't give up.

1174
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: You know, one more thing. I'll throwing their stand on track.

1175
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: It's easy, like to get distracted. Um, here a few

1176
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: years ago it was the last day of season. It

1177
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: was the middle of the day, middle of the late

1178
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: afternoon actually, and uh, I hadn't heard an elk eagle

1179
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: yet that day and I'm like man, I am getting desperate.

1180
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: The last day. I've been having a terrible year season

1181
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: and I'm driving along on my truck relocating the area

1182
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: and I look out and there's this bear and this

1183
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: Berry Patch just stand there looking at me and I

1184
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: stopped and he just stand there staring at me. I'm like,

1185
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: I'M gonna shoot that bear, and then I kind of

1186
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: slapped myself back into reality. Is like, I'm not bear hunting. Okay,

1187
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: I could have shot that bear, definitely, but my ulcount

1188
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: would have been over at that point right because I'd

1189
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: have been taken care of that bear. I would have

1190
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: got a bear for the year. Great, cool, but in

1191
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: my mind elk are greater than bears, especially in elk season.

1192
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: So I'M gonna go ahead and say well, I'll see

1193
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: you later, Yogi bear. I'll come back another day for you. Um.

1194
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: But Anyway, I stayed on stand, on point and I

1195
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: end up calling a bull the last literally the last

1196
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes of shooting light on the last day. Notched

1197
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: my tag. Had I messed with that bear, I would not.

1198
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: I can guarantee you I would not have been in

1199
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: that position, the exact spot, called that bull, and I

1200
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: would have been I would have been behind the gun.

1201
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: So Um, stay focused down track. Yeah, great tip, Dirk Um.

1202
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: Good luck to everybody out there and thanks for joining us, Dirk,

1203
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: and good luck to you. Thanks. We'll see you next time.