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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. I've

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Speaker 1: been following today's guest for about the past four years

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Speaker 1: that is truly impressive. I have a ton of respect

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Speaker 1: for him. Somong Yang. He's from my home state of

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Speaker 1: I'm really stoked to have him here on the show.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Somone. Thank you so much, Jason.

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Speaker 1: It's an honor to be on this podcast. I have

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Speaker 1: to ask how old you are? I don't even know

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Speaker 1: one to start with. Yeah, I'm twenty five, born and

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Speaker 1: your little background? What what got you started? Um? In hunting? Um?

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Speaker 1: Is it like the you know, the rest of us

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Speaker 1: of what's your backstory there? Yeah, that's pretty much Italy,

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Speaker 1: you know, simply put, I don't know my life without hunting.

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Speaker 1: It's uh, it's always been something that I've done. And

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Speaker 1: you know, up to a generation where we didn't hunt, um,

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Speaker 1: Kind of what sparked that? Yeah, the very start of

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Speaker 1: up when it comes to a road. But when it

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Speaker 1: comes to like you're just on a random side of

427
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Speaker 1: the ridge, man, it's just you really can predict it.

428
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Speaker 1: You really just got to go based off of what

429
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Speaker 1: he's feeling and what he's giving you. Yep. Yeah, but

430
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,000
Speaker 1: it's it seems to be a complete guest at that point.

431
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 1: And like I said, I seem to guess wrong a lot.

432
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Speaker 1: Under the roose tree, you know, it's like you see

433
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Speaker 1: him try to pitch to a flat spot. You see

434
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Speaker 1: him try to pitch out to where you know it's

435
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 1: more open when you know the tree they're in, and

436
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,399
Speaker 1: for some reason, they always do the opposite. And then

437
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Speaker 1: I've even tested it, like all right, I'm not going

438
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Speaker 1: to touch a call all morning, just like let him

439
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,119
Speaker 1: naturally pitch where he wants. It doesn't work, I'm like,

440
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 1: all right, next time, I'm gonna call real lightly. He

441
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,919
Speaker 1: still doesn't pitch and just yeah, just real, real limited

442
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Speaker 1: luck out of the roost. But no, I appreciate answering

443
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Speaker 1: those listener questions. If you have a question of your

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Speaker 1: own you want me or my guest answer, please email

445
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Speaker 1: them or submit a social message, whatever it may be.

446
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Speaker 1: Email us at CTD at Phelps Gamecalls dot com. We'll

447
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Speaker 1: do our best to get those answered here live on

448
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Speaker 1: the show. So for today's episode, I've got my own

449
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Speaker 1: questions to ask you here and specifically about you know,

450
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Speaker 1: hunting Merriam's you know, you've mentioned Northeast Washington, Idaho, some

451
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 1: of that open country, more mountainous country probably compared to

452
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 1: what the majority of the country gets when it comes

453
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Speaker 1: to wild turkey hunting. It's where I grew up turkey

454
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Speaker 1: hunting in that Northeast Washington corner um. And it's a

455
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 1: ton of fun because you know, I why I love

456
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 1: the big thunderous gobbles of the Easterns compared to the

457
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, the Merriams little wheat gobbles, and some of

458
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 1: the differences between between the birds. Like I love that

459
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 1: it's you get up in the morning and you gotta

460
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 1: lace your boots a little tighter when you're hunting merriams.

461
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 1: You know you gotta you gotta maybe, um, you know,

462
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: bring a little more water with you because you're gonna

463
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 1: run and gun these turkeys pretty good. You know, it's

464
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Speaker 1: not gonna be necessarily you know, sitting why I'm gonna

465
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Speaker 1: say this, for me hunting public land, you're not gonna

466
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Speaker 1: get to necessarily sit on a on an agg field edge.

467
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 1: You know that's kind of um. You know, your typical

468
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 1: turkey hunts in some places, I just love that. It's

469
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 1: almost like hunting the mountains for elk, for meal deer,

470
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Speaker 1: but you're up there chasing turkeys on ridgetops and I

471
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: absolutely love um that style of of turkey hunting. UM.

472
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Speaker 1: But I'm curious to see if some of our where

473
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Speaker 1: some of our strategies and UM techniques are similar, and

474
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Speaker 1: then also to see if you have some different tactics

475
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Speaker 1: that we um that you utilize in the northeast corner

476
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Speaker 1: that I'm not currently using. But before we jump into

477
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Speaker 1: my questions for you, it's always fun to kind of

478
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Speaker 1: relive the past. Tell me real quickly about your first

479
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: turkey and kind of your strategy you put it put

480
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Speaker 1: on that turkey in and how you killed it. Yeah,

481
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: the truth is I probably at this time didn't even

482
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Speaker 1: have a strategy because I didn't know what I was doing,

483
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 1: but I somehow killed a turkey. But I don't even

484
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: know what year this was. This was well over a

485
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Speaker 1: decade ago, But I'll go to the year before I

486
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,199
Speaker 1: killed my first one because that kind of leads up

487
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Speaker 1: to the year I actually shot mine. So the year

488
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Speaker 1: before I killed my first turkey, it was during youth

489
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Speaker 1: season and I actually missed a tom at twenty five

490
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Speaker 1: yards in this exact spot. I don't know how I

491
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: missed it, but twenty five yards turkey just took off.

492
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what I did wrong, I just missed.

493
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Speaker 1: And so the following year it was it was youth

494
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Speaker 1: season again, and you know, you kind of go back

495
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: to that spot because, first off, like that tom that

496
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Speaker 1: I missed, that was a first turkey I've ever shot at,

497
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 1: and when you shoot something like that, you just have

498
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: this built up confidence in that little spot, and so

499
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Speaker 1: naturally I was just like, I want to go back

500
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Speaker 1: to that spot. So it was my cousins and myself

501
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: and we again, like I said, we went back to

502
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: that spot out of redemption because we also knew that

503
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: that little spot where I missed that Tom, there was

504
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: a roosting area like two hundred yards below where I

505
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Speaker 1: actually shot the Tom. So we went the night before

506
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Speaker 1: and this weekend was pouring rain like it was horrible,

507
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Speaker 1: And so we got out before daylight and the rain

508
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: was still gone and it was pouring. Everything was soaking wet,

509
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: and we pretty much went back to that same general

510
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: area where I missed it Tom last year. And so

511
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: sure enough we get to that spot where we were

512
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Speaker 1: last year, and we looked down below us, like two

513
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: hundred yards and we spotted Tom and three hens, and

514
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: like I said, like the rain is just pouring down

515
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: at this point. So even we were miserable, but the

516
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: turkeys looked like they were even more miserable. I mean,

517
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: they just went through a whole night of rain and

518
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: now they're trying to dry off, but then there's no

519
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: sun because it's still pouring rain. And so turkeys were wet,

520
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: We were wet, and it was just miserable conditions for

521
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Speaker 1: a turkey hunt. And so at least you know, that's

522
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: how it's looked at. Right. When it's often raining, people

523
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: often refer raining conditions as poor turkey hunting, but today

524
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: it was somehow the opposite for us. So anyway, we

525
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 1: spotted Tom and three hens about two hundred yards below

526
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: and this a little flat below us, and my cousin

527
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: just starts calling, because that's that's what turkey hunters do.

528
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: And so surprisingly, this Tom was actually really vocal, but

529
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: he just wouldn't leave his hens. I mean, this is

530
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 1: like early April, you know, hens are still with Tom's

531
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And so we sat there for

532
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: like an hour in the rain, just calling to this Tom,

533
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Speaker 1: and he would he was very vocal, like every time

534
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: we called, he would gobble, and he would even gobble

535
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Speaker 1: on his own, but he just wouldn't leave his hands.

536
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Speaker 1: And so my cousin David and I we eventually like

537
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: just decided like let's let's goot a little bit closer.

538
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: So we moved down like another fifty yards without him

539
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: seeing us, and we were just like, you know what,

540
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Speaker 1: let's set up here because there's no way we can

541
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Speaker 1: get any closer. And so we scooped fifty yards closer

542
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: and we sat there for like another thirty minutes just

543
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: yelping away at this Tom, and this Tom again like

544
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: just kept galling, but he just wouldn't leave his hands,

545
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: and so I don't even know how long it was,

546
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: but maybe like another hour on top of that, like that,

547
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: Tom finally just decided like okay, like I gotta go.

548
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: And so we literally watched this Tom break off from

549
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 1: his three hands and he just starts walking up towards us.

550
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: And he's not strutting because he's wet. He's just casually

551
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: walking his way up towards us. And where we're set up,

552
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: it's on a small ridge with just like small pine

553
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: trees here and there, and so he eventually walks to

554
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: the left. Basically he's going to walk up the spine

555
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: of the ridge. But as he's coming that route, I

556
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: can't see him anymore. And so he also stops gobling,

557
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: because we also stopped calling because we knew he was

558
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 1: on his way, so we didn't want to just keep

559
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: calling for him. And so as a rookie hunter, not

560
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: seeing a turkey and not hearing him gobble, you know,

561
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: you have a lot of second thoughts in your head,

562
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: and it just feels like forever and so little did

563
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: I know this turkey he was actually drumming and spinning

564
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: the whole way but at that time, I didn't know

565
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: what drumming and spinning was, so I didn't even know

566
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Speaker 1: what to listen for. So I kept bugging my cousin.

567
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: I kept asking him. I was like, dude, is he coming, Like, like,

568
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 1: where's this turkey? It feels like forever. My cousin like, dude,

569
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: like stop, like he's coming, Like he's right there, like

570
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: he's on his way. Because my cousin at that time,

571
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: he knew what drumming and spitting was, but I didn't.

572
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 1: And so he's like, dude, like just just wait, dude,

573
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: like he's gonna show up. He's gonna show up. And

574
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: so I'm sitting there drenched, fingers numb from the cold

575
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,959
Speaker 1: and what felt like an eternity. He finally pops out

576
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: into this one shooting lane about twenty yards away, and

577
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: we pretty much see each other right at the same time.

578
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: But the difference was I knew what he was, but

579
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: he didn't know what I was. So he stuck around

580
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: just long enough to, you know, kind of poke his

581
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: head out like what is that thing in the bush?

582
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: But my fingers were so cold. I remember going to

583
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: pull the trigger twice and the gun wouldn't go off,

584
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,479
Speaker 1: and I remember looking at my cousin to ask him,

585
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: why isn't the gun firing? And so I come back

586
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: to the gun and this turkey is still just standing there,

587
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to pull the trigger but I can't,

588
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: so I'm trying to lift this gun to the side

589
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: to look at the the safety to see if it's

590
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: on fire. The gun goes off. Yeah, as the gun

591
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: goes off, I look at the turkey. The turkey just

592
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: starts flopping. So I somehow miraculously got their turkey without

593
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: really aiming at the turkey. White White twisting your gun

594
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: over to look at Yeah, as I was twisting my

595
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: gun like, the gun went off, and I just remember

596
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: I looked up at the turkey and I just saw

597
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: his right wing go up and he just starts tumbling

598
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: down this ridge, and I just remember I just yelled

599
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: I got him, and my gun stands up. He's looking

600
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: over because he clearly saw that I wasn't aiming when

601
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: I shot when the gun went out, so he looked.

602
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: He jumps out. He's looking to make sure the turkey's

603
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: actually down, and sure enough, the turkey was just flopping

604
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: down the ridge. And so I don't know how I

605
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: got it, but I saw him. I got him. Yeah,

606
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: A little a little bit of a story to your

607
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: your first bird there for sure. Yeah, I mean, you know,

608
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: my first bird. I didn't even use a call, as

609
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: much as I'd love to say, I called the thing in. Um,

610
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: I was struggling. We we kind of were in that

611
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: part of the season back then. Um, you know, late April,

612
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: it seems like those toms just get on, you know,

613
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: completely hand up, won't do anything. We don't have enough

614
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: hens sitting all day and it's just that like that

615
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: weird time where it's not early enough, it's no longer

616
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: late enough, where all the hens are leaving and you

617
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: just couldn't call to him. So I I just like

618
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: shamelessly listened to gobbles and did the big sneak and

619
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: used terrain and uh popped around a corner and shot

620
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: my first tom. But no, your your story is a

621
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: little more eventful than than mine, for sure. We're so

622
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna jump into the questions I have for you now,

623
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: someone and kind of kind of, um, just just go over.

624
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: These are kind of just the general um turkending questions.

625
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: But see how we can kind of tailor this Northeast

626
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: Washington and some of the tactics you use, um, you know,

627
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: to be successful. You're in and year out. You're not

628
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: only successful for yourself, but I know, um, you know,

629
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: you take a lot of other guys and gals out

630
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: and find them a bunch of success. So I'm really really,

631
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: um you know, interested to pick your brain here. So

632
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: let's say, you know, just like you said earlier, I've

633
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: I've had the same results. I can typically go out

634
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: onto most pieces of public in Northeast Washington and get

635
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: a bird to gobble. So once you get that bird gobbling, Um,

636
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: what is your approach? Are you going to get as

637
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: tight as you can? Are you gonna sit down? Like

638
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: what's the magic distance you like to get to? And

639
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: then what's your progressions on calling? Yeah, it really comes

640
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: down to just the mood of the gobbler, how far

641
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: I am, and hunting pressure, Like that's the three factors, right,

642
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,239
Speaker 1: how what the turkey's feeling, how far I am from him,

643
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: and what's the hunting pressure like in that area? And

644
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: like I said, it's such a situation, don't think, but

645
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: I'll just try my best to keep it like just streamline. Yeah,

646
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: because the thing is lots of gobblers. Like when a

647
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: turkey gobbles, right, even if he's gobbling a lot, it

648
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: generally means or it can mean one of two things. Right,

649
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: If he's gotten a lot, he's super interested, he's running

650
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: and everybody wants that, right. The other thing is he's

651
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: gobbling a lot, but he's hung up. And so one

652
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: thing I've learned over the years is you really just

653
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: have to learn to read the turkey. And there's really

654
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: no good way to explain how to read a turkey

655
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: besides just spending time out there, putting yourself in a

656
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: bunch of situations and really just getting that natural feel

657
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: for how you can make a move, because a lot

658
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: of times when I go turkey hunt, I really just

659
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: wing it. I don't really have a game plan. I

660
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: just go based off of what the turkey's giving me. So,

661
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: for example, if we work in a bird and I

662
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: know he's come in and he's just pounding every call

663
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: I make, I'll play around with him in terms of

664
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: the call, because one I just like to hear them gobble, right,

665
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: if he's hammering and he's running in, I'll just call

666
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: a lot, because, especially if i'm taking somebody else who's new.

667
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,719
Speaker 1: Hearing that gobble gets them excited, and it makes them

668
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: patient when the gobble goes. When a gobbler goes silent

669
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: and you're taking a new guy out and they stop gobling,

670
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,239
Speaker 1: a lot of times they get very antsy and they

671
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: get impatient. Which that's probably the number one factor where

672
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: people don't shoot birds. They just get impatient. But when

673
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how the turkey's coming in, whether he's

674
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 1: coming and gobbling his head off or coming in very

675
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: very silent, very cautious, I will eventually stop calling when

676
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: he gets close and let him come find me. Because,

677
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: like I said earlier at the beginning of the podcast, turkeys,

678
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: they might not seem smart, but every time you're making

679
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: a call, they are pinpointing exactly where that call is

680
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: coming from. And so typically what I do is I

681
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: use a decoy, and so I make sure I stop

682
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: calling before he's able to get visual of the actual setup.

683
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: So what I do is I typically put a deco

684
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: like twenty yards away from I am, so once I

685
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: stop calling, if he pops up, he looks at the

686
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: decoy because I've given him maybe like a minute or

687
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 1: too of silence. It makes realistic sense for that hen

688
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: to have moved twenty yards from where I last called,

689
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: so it just makes it more realistic for him to

690
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: approach it. But on the flip side, when it says

691
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,959
Speaker 1: do you call just enough or keep him over the top, obviously,

692
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: if he's coming in, you can pretty much do whatever, right,

693
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: but if he's very cautious, you really have to play

694
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: around with how much you're calling in how you're calling

695
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: to him, because, especially later in the season, when you're

696
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: dealing with birds that have been shot at, they've been

697
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: set up on before, you can't really just do whatever

698
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: because they will read you and pick you apart. And

699
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: so what I typically do is if if a bird

700
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: is gobbling but he's not super over the top, like

701
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: the first example I give you, I'll give him just

702
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: enough calls to make him somewhat interested, but I won't

703
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: always be calling enough to the point where he's just like, okay,

704
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: you come to me. Because what I've learned over the

705
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: years is when you as a hen, typically that's how

706
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: I call im a hen. If a hen is more

707
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: excited than the gobbler, a lot of times, what that

708
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: leads to if that leads to a gobbler hanging up

709
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: because if he if he wants you more than you

710
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: want him, he will come running in. But if you

711
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: want him more than he wants you, a lot of

712
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: times what he's gonna do is he's going to force

713
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: you to go to him. So you kind of have

714
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: to play that balance between am I calling too much?

715
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: Or am I calling not enough? And so again, it

716
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: really is a situational thing, and that's just dependent on

717
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: the situation of the turkey and whatever situation you get

718
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: yourself into. Yeah, and early I've always figured that early

719
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: in the call in like we're gonna you're gonna establish

720
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: kind of the ground rules right of this call in.

721
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: If he's hammering, you know, say you make a hen,

722
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: you open, he hammers you, and then you maybe you know,

723
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: go quiet for a minute, but he gobbles two or

724
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: three more times, You're like, all right, is he excited

725
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: where he's at or does that mean he's really excited

726
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: and coming to me? And so now as a turkey hunter,

727
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: we're now like, is he actually getting closer? Is he

728
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: closing some of this distance? Or is he sitting there

729
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: spinning around, you know, gobbling towards me. So it sounds

730
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: like he's getting closer and then he's turning away like

731
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: he may be hind up. And so you're trying to

732
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: use like all of this information to figure out what's

733
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: going on, you know, And in the case where that

734
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: bird's gobbling and getting closer, you're like, well, that's the

735
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: easy one, right, we don't have to We can, like

736
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: you said, you can call as much as you want,

737
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: as little as you want. The thing's going to come

738
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: pinpoint your location. Um. It's the ones in between that

739
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: seemed to kind of hang up, that seemed to kind

740
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: of answer you occasionally and seem to kind of gobble

741
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: on their own occasionally and then don't answer your calls,

742
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: or the ones that really kind of give us the

743
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 1: fits where we're like, we'll shoot, what do we throw

744
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: out him? Now? Do we need to go silent for

745
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: five minutes and then does our our hind call work again?

746
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: Or you know, do we need to get really excited

747
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: with some cutting? And that's just where I think experience

748
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: and then kind of just that gut fuel comes in

749
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: at times, like all right, did the cutting work, did

750
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: it not work? Did the silent treatment work? Did it

751
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: not work? Um? And you have to make your your

752
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: you know, your future decisions based on what you've you know,

753
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: got from that bird. Um. You know, throughout the calling,

754
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: you're you're trying to put all this information kind of

755
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: into the pot and boil down what's going to work

756
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: on this bird and and there are times where it's

757
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: just not going to work. Exactly pretty much nailed it, yep.

758
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: So and during the calling we've just talked about, you know,

759
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: calling a lot, calling a little bit going silent um,

760
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: you know that bird being able to I've always assumed

761
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: before I get into this next question, I am going

762
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: to throw this bit of information out in the instance

763
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: You've mentioned it multiple times, but I'm gonna I'm gonna

764
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: reiterate it because it's it's important if you know that

765
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: that bird answers your hidden call, like you let out

766
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: a seven note yep, and that thing is right on

767
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: top of you. You know that that was in response

768
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: to your hidden calls. At that point, he knows exactly

769
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 1: what true you're sitting under. UM, So don't be worried.

770
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: Like you said, you can go silent and maybe that

771
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: and we'll move. But at the time you make the call,

772
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: he makes a call, I just assume that he now

773
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: knows exactly where I'm at, you know, so I at

774
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: least got that bit of information. I think it's important

775
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: to know. And that the research you know, with with

776
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: GPS callers UM and or GPS trackers on these birds, um,

777
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: the research shows that that thing knows exactly where you're

778
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: sitting and he will eventually go back to it once

779
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: he loses his hens um. So when that bird goes silent, um,

780
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm talking silent silent, how long are

781
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: you gonna wait this thing out? Um? And I know

782
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: it's always dependent. And then what's your play gonna be? Um?

783
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: After that? So you know you're calling the bird he's

784
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: gobbled six, eight, ten times, seems like he's closing the

785
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: distance and he's interested. And then you just get the

786
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: typical silent treatment that we've all, we've all been a

787
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: part of, we've all we've all had to deal with. Yeah,

788
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: I think, Um, I think when you say silent treatment,

789
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: I think you can draw like a like a bunch

790
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: of branches under it. So I'll give a couple of

791
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: different scenarios, right. So, one scenario, which is very common

792
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 1: that people don't realize is he's come in he's goblin,

793
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, a sudden, you just don't

794
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: hear him anymore. So we would prefer that to you, guys.

795
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: He's go signed that. What this often means is he

796
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: sees your decoy, or he sees your general area where

797
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: the sound is coming from, So that means he's made

798
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: it there. He's just now poking his head up and

799
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: he's just looking at the situation. Because the thing with

800
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: gobbling is it's often a communication between two turkeys who

801
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: cannot see each other. Once the gobbler shows up, and

802
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: if you have a decoy out, if he sees your

803
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: decoy or he sees a hen, he really doesn't have

804
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: a need to gobble anymore. I mean, like the communication

805
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: between a gobble and a hen yelping has brought them

806
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: into one area. And at this point, if you're a tom,

807
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 1: it's not about I'm gobbling anymore. It's about, Okay, there's

808
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: the hen. How can I look as good as I

809
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: can to this hen. So what happens is when they

810
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: come in and they're silent, that means he sees your

811
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: decoy and he's just trying to strut. He's trying to

812
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: look as good as he can for the hen. This

813
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: is what happens with a lot of situations is people

814
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: who don't who can't identify drumming and spitting. This is

815
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: where they screw up because the turkey's already here. They

816
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: just can't see him and they don't think he's here

817
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 1: because he's not gobbling. But like the like I will

818
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: say later, turkeys are always drumming and spitting, no matter

819
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: how pressure they are, they're always drumming and spitting. So

820
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 1: if you can learn to identify that, even if he's

821
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: not gobbling, when they're close, it's so distinct you can't like,

822
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: you just can't not hear a drum and a spit.

823
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: So that's one scenario of what happens when he quote

824
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: unquote goes silent, he shows up, he sees your decoys.

825
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: He's now just putting on a show. Another thing is,

826
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: especially in the Northeast region we live in, we hunt

827
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: in mountainous terrains and the landscape is so oddly shape

828
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: that sound can just travel very weird. And so for example,

829
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: if I'm on a ridge and there's a turkey on

830
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: another ridge and he's gobbling, right, sounds like he's just

831
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: hammering all my calls because a lot of times that

832
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: terrain is so mountainous. What happens is a lot of

833
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: times turkeys will have to take longer routes to get

834
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: to your setup. So what I've had happened is I'm

835
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: just standing face to face with the turkey. He's on

836
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: another ridge. I'm on another ridge. But instead of coming

837
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: straight down his ridge and up my ridge, he's just

838
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: gonna take this logging road that's gonna loop all the

839
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: way to the backside of the valley to get to me.

840
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: So what happens is he's sounding like he's going farther away,

841
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 1: which he is, but that isn't necessarily he's losing interest.

842
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: He's just taking the path of least resistance to get

843
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: to me, even if that means it's a longer route.

844
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: So what happens sometimes is he gets into like this little,

845
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: this little pocket where the sound just doesn't travel as good.

846
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: So because you can't hear it, we just say, oh,

847
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: he went silent on us. He's not really interested. But no,

848
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: it's he's still gobbling. He's just on his way. You

849
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: just can't hear him at that moment. I've had this

850
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: happened so many times. Just last year, I took my

851
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: buddy Steve out. This bird was hammering us. He was like,

852
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: he was probably half a mile away, and it got

853
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: to a point where we couldn't hear him anymore. And

854
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: my buddy Steve was like, dude, like he's he's gone.

855
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: And I told him, like, dude, with how he was

856
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: hammering us, like the first fifteen minutes, there's no way

857
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: he's not going to show up twenty minutes later showing off.

858
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: There's Turkey shows up ten yards smokes him. Right. It's

859
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: like it's things like that that go a long way.

860
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: So when we say they're giving us the silent treatment,

861
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different ways and a lot of

862
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: different scenarios that you have to keep in the back

863
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: of your mind. Yeah, for sure, Um, yeah, and there's

864
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: there's always Yeah, it's tough, and that's where, like you said,

865
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: you have to draw from the experience you've had with

866
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: that bird prior to the silent treatment, and you've got

867
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 1: to make some decisions on whether that bird is still

868
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: coming or whether you know, he went away with a hen.

869
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: A lot of it is, you know, was he was

870
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: his last calls going away, was he coming towards you?

871
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: And then you have to make your decision, you know,

872
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: based on that. Um. Great great information there. UM. So

873
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: we've talked about it. Most of the Northeast it can

874
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: be very brushy, but in my opinion, UM, you know,

875
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: it's fairly open, you know, mountainous. Like we've said, it

876
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: kind of lends itself to that running gun style of

877
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: turkey hunting. UM. I already know your answer to this

878
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: because you mentioned earlier My question was do you use

879
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: a decoy or not? And you've said use it in

880
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: roads a lot. But but what's your thought process on decoys?

881
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: Do you use them on every setup or other times

882
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: where you won't use a decoy and kind of go

883
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: into to that. For me, Yeah, I think I can

884
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: definitely get away with with my experience. Now I'm not

885
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: saying I'm the most experience, but with how I can

886
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: read turkeys, I can often get away without using a decoy.

887
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: The reason why I still use a decoy now is

888
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: it really just helps me on the filming side of

889
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: things to be able to know where I can just

890
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: leave the frame of my camera on the decoy. It's

891
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: so much more like it's less stress on me mentally,

892
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: rather than predicting where this turkey is gonna come. Because

893
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: a lot of times I sell film. So knowing that, okay,

894
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: there's a decoy, I just gotta put the camera on

895
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: the decoy, just leave it on the tripod. It makes

896
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: it a lot easier for me because I can really

897
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: focus on just working this tom because a lot of

898
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: times they're gonna show up to the decoy. But the

899
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: other thing is I often only use a hend eoi.

900
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: I know some people like to use like a Tom

901
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: or Jake tkoy. I've never really found it to improve

902
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 1: my chances. The other thing, too, is I just don't

903
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: want to get shot by other people, you know, and

904
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: so I just use one Hen decoy. That's typically what

905
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: I do. But like I said, it's not really mandatory,

906
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: but it really just helps me with my filming. Gotcha perfect,

907
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: That makes makes a ton of sense. We've always we

908
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: used to use them a lot more, you know, set out,

909
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: you know, two Hens and a Jake on a lot

910
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: of setups, and there were times where we would get

911
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: picked off setting them up, you know, the turkey clothes

912
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: too quick or whatnot. And I would say the majority

913
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: of the time we do. But when we do go

914
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: back out and hunt some aggs stuff and the turkeys

915
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: can see for so long to get that like visual

916
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: confirmation that all right, there are turkeys down at the

917
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: other end of the field that are making you know,

918
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: turkey noises. I feel as a little more effective versus

919
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: like running gun um, you know, chasing turkeys around. At times,

920
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: it seems like we've elected to we seem to not

921
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: put out decoys as much. We've used some some live

922
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: stuff for decoys times. Um, but you know, they're they're

923
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: big and they're painting the butt to carry around. But

924
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: but they are effective in the in the certain situations

925
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: where that you know, Tom that you're trying to call

926
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: in can make a visual um. It can you know,

927
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: change a game for us a little bit. Absolutely. So

928
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: it's different than the silent treatment um very often. Especially

929
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: I kind of gave the scenario earlier. You know that

930
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: that mid April to late April when birds are just

931
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: on you know, lockdown, they're they're hung up, they're hinged up,

932
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: very very uh you know, difficult to call in, but

933
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: they will play the game for a bit and you

934
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: know that bird hangs up. You know, we've we've seen

935
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 1: him getting their strut zones. Um, you know, hour hour

936
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: and a half after fly down, they establish where they

937
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: want to be. The hens lead him to where they

938
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: want to feed, and that bird kind of gets you know,

939
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: hung up in his strut zone. Or he may come

940
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: part way, but he's not willing to leave those hens

941
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: complete league because you know, he's got the for sure thing.

942
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: What do you have any out of the box, um,

943
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, strategies or tactics for that, or do you

944
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: have just a strategy that works? When those birds hang up,

945
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: they're still active, they're still calling, but they just will

946
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: not break you know, either a certain train feature, a

947
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: certain topo feature, or they just flat out won't go

948
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: any farther away from their hands. Yeah, I think the

949
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: most common technique when it comes to a gobbler that's

950
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 1: hung up because of a hen is to start talking

951
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: to the hen. Right that Like, the reason why that

952
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: gobbler's not coming in is because he's hung up with

953
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: the hand like he's he wants to stay with the hen.

954
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: So if you can get that hand that he's hanging

955
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: out with to come into you, I mean, like that's

956
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: that's textbook right. So that's like the most common thing

957
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: is like people, especially rookies and myself, including when I

958
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: first started, all I wanted to do was talk to

959
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: the tom. But it's like that's not always going to work.

960
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: If if he's hung up with the hen, start talking

961
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: to the hen. Because if you bring in the hen,

962
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: that Tom's gonna be right behind her. It doesn't matter

963
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: who you're talking to because at the end of the day,

964
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: you just want that tom to be to be in

965
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: range so you can shoot him. Yeah, But aside from

966
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: the situation where he's hung up with the hand, if

967
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: this is just a lone bird and he comes up

968
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: to your setup, you're calling him, he comes up and

969
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: he's just like sixty seventy yards just right outside choking ring.

970
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: There's typically three reasons why a lone tom will hang up.

971
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: First off, which is the worst one, is they see you.

972
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: He's hung it up because he's looking at you, which

973
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: oftentimes from there there's not much you can do. You

974
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: can just hope and pray that he's gonna walk a

975
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: couple more steps, but oftentimes he's just gonna turn away

976
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: and walk around. The second scenario is he comes up,

977
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: he doesn't see you, but he just doesn't like he

978
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: just doesn't like what he's seeing, like it just something

979
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: feels off to them. So when it's something like this,

980
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 1: it's fifty fifty, he might close another ten fifteen yards,

981
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: or he might just turn around and leave. The third

982
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 1: one is they're not seeing what they're supposed to be seen.

983
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: If you imitate a super hot hand in this open

984
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: field and he comes up and you don't have a

985
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: decoy out, he comes up, he looks at it, he's like,

986
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: where's this hent, he's gonna hang up because he's gonna

987
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: take his time, he's gonna observe where this supposed head

988
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: is supposed to be. So those are typically the three

989
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: reasons why a loan bird will hang up. So typically

990
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: what happens when he doesn't like what he's seeing or

991
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 1: he's not seeing what he's supposed to do or supposed

992
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: to be seeing, is I just go silent. I want

993
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: him to build up that that curiosity like, Okay, I

994
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: don't see what I'm seeing. I don't really know what's

995
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: going on here. I need to go investigate, because at

996
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: this point there's not much you can do if you're

997
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: gonna give a call out and he's already within sixty

998
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: seventy yards. Again, he's gonna pinpoint your location and he's

999
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: just gonna stare right at where the call is coming from.

1000
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: And if you're not a decoy, you don't have a

1001
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: decoin next to you, there's a good chance you're not

1002
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: calling him in. And so this is, you know when

1003
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: That's why it's such a hard topic, because when a

1004
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: bird hangs up, it's like there's really no right or

1005
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: wrong way to go about it. It really is you

1006
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: gotta go with your gut instinct in that situation. Yep, yep, No,

1007
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm I'm with you on that one. And real similar

1008
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: to what we do there, we've we've touched on this

1009
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: a little bit too, a little bit in our earlier conversation.

1010
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: Most of the public land we get to hunt northeast Washington,

1011
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: whether we're you know, a mile from the gate, whether

1012
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: we're right along a country road, whether we're along a

1013
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: logging road. These birds get a lot of pressure. Why

1014
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: we do have a great turkey population that's thriving currently,

1015
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: they are, the birds still get pressured. Right, we have

1016
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: a lot of Washington State as a whole. Hash I

1017
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: don't want to misspeak. But we have a very high

1018
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: hunter count. You know, a very high number of hunters

1019
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: that's still hunt spring turkey. Um, so we do have

1020
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: pressured birds. Do you have any other tactics you like

1021
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: to use specific to pressured birds on this public land? Yep.

1022
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: So basically three tips. First one is I work them

1023
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: a little slower and I just give them more time.

1024
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: Pressured birds they take their time, they're more cautious. The

1025
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: second one is I worked turkeys from a different angle.

1026
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: Everybody knows that gate that everybody parks at and goes

1027
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: in from one direction. You can use that as an entrance,

1028
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: but dude like loop around the mountain, come in from

1029
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: the backs that come in from the east, coming from

1030
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: the west, working from a different angle, because a pressure

1031
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: bird knows the most common entrance, which is through the gate,

1032
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: and that's typically where he's found the most danger. Right,

1033
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 1: if everybody's coming and calling in from the same direction,

1034
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: he already knows what's up. You come in from the

1035
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: back set or a different angle, he might be like, oh,

1036
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: maybe this is actually a legit turkey. Or the third

1037
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: one is instead of full blown yelps, I just resort

1038
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: to Kluck's more subtle calls, you know, because at this

1039
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: point in season May late May, every turkey knows what

1040
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: a full blown yelp means. Yep, yep. That's That's one

1041
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: thing I was going to add, and I kind of

1042
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 1: had dialed up for pressured birds, is you know, everybody

1043
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: in the world can go out and use a seven

1044
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: to nine note yelp um. It's it's our go to

1045
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 1: calls for the most part. But that bird has heard

1046
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: every variation of a seven to nine note yelp on

1047
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: a mouth diaphragm, on a pot call, on a box call,

1048
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: they've heard it. And if you know those birds have

1049
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 1: heard it, let's go to klux, Let's go to some

1050
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 1: subtle purring. Let's go to some real, like, you know,

1051
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: real short two to three note yelps. And I learned

1052
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: this from my buddy Chris Parrish and Randy Milligan. It's

1053
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: just that subtle, realistic sounds can sometimes help you out

1054
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: on those pressured birds. And so that's what we like

1055
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: to do, at least from a calling tactic. And then

1056
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: I do like your point, like, all right, if there's

1057
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: a bird up a canyon, everybody's gonna approach halfway up

1058
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: the ridge because that's where the road's at, you know,

1059
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: So in that turkey's mind like, hey, guess what, you know,

1060
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: other hunters coming down the road. Let's let's cross the

1061
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: creek in the bottom and come at them and you know,

1062
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: get a top. Or let's go around the ridge. Let's

1063
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: approach him differently and just you know, change up the

1064
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 1: thing that the bird's seen, you know, multiple times throughout

1065
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:52,959
Speaker 1: the year or last year or Whatnotum, so you're getting ready,

1066
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: Um it's opening day of season. What calls do you

1067
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: have on you? And what are the calls that are

1068
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: gonna get some use and what are the calls that

1069
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: are maybe gonna a little bit more specialty. Yeah, I

1070
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: go pretty simple, man. I have three calls on me

1071
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: all the time, and that's pretty much it. I have

1072
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: a crow call, I have a read diaphragms, and I

1073
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: have a slate or a pot call. That's pretty much it.

1074
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: That's all. I carry. A crow call. It's Natural's right.

1075
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: We have crows here all the time. They're always they're

1076
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: very active in the spring. That's my locator call. And

1077
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: it's really good because one it's natural, but the downside

1078
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: with it is it's very loud. You can't really do

1079
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: a soft crow call. So the downfall with a loud

1080
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: crow call is if there's a gobbler that's really close

1081
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: to you and you just let them have it a

1082
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: lot of times, it'll just spook the turkey, which that

1083
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: isn't work in your favor. The second one is an

1084
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: actual turkey call, which is a diaphragm. It's more difficult

1085
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: to use, which is the downfall, but if you can

1086
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: get even just proficient with it, it's really good to

1087
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: have because your hands free, you don't have to worry

1088
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: about not having your hand on the trigger when the

1089
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: turkey shows up or anything. The third one is a

1090
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: pot call. It's just easier to use, but the downfall

1091
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: obviously is it requires two hands, so to heading on

1092
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. If I'm the hunter, i'm the camera guy,

1093
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: I'll have a read them amount all the time. If

1094
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm just helping someone out poll call, because it's way

1095
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: easier and I'm personally better out of pow call than

1096
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: i am with a diaphragm. Gotcha. That makes Yeah, I'm fortunate.

1097
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: You know, we end up carrying probably more calls than

1098
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: we ever use. Very similar I will throw a box

1099
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: call in um, you know, in in areas where you

1100
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: know it's big country. I feel like sometimes that box

1101
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: call UM can carry maybe a little bit more. It's

1102
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: got more of that high shrill pitch. UM. And then

1103
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: once again, if if we are an area with pressure birds,

1104
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: that might be something they haven't heard as much of. Um,

1105
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: you know, similar to you, I carry a few a

1106
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: few diaphragms, UM, a pot call, and then you know,

1107
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 1: the only thing I may have. I found that affiliated

1108
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: woodpecker works really really good in that northeast corner. UM,

1109
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: and so I'll typically have some sort of a woodpecker call.

1110
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: It's just that real high pitch you know, startles them.

1111
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 1: It seems to get um, you know, at times when

1112
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: the crow call doesn't work that uh, that pilliated woodpecker

1113
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: seems to really get them fired up. So that's really

1114
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: the only difference. I might carry a box. But there

1115
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: are times where it's just like I don't want to

1116
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: carry the box round. I don't want to worry about it,

1117
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: you know, especially if it's raining. Um, you know, you're

1118
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: dealing with two different woods that if it gets wet,

1119
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: it's useless anyways, UM, I'll just elect to put that

1120
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: thing in the truck and leave it there. And uh,

1121
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: you know I would even be able to if if

1122
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: it's raining, I'm probably just gonna use my mount diaphragms

1123
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: anyways and leave. Might as well leave, you know, even

1124
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:33,959
Speaker 1: the pot calls in the truck. M We've we've talked

1125
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: about I'm just going through our my questions here. We've

1126
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: we've hit this one enough on hind up birds and

1127
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: and that are hard headed. UM. Long distance locating in

1128
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: northeast Washington, You're you're hunting ridge top to ridge top.

1129
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: You're hunting what I would even consider like drainages. A

1130
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: lot of these walking areas that we hunt UM DNR

1131
00:53:55,120 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: walking areas there. It's big mountainous country ridges UM in between. UM.

1132
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about this on our roosting.

1133
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 1: But let's say you strike up a bird on the

1134
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: opposite ridge. UM, how do you kind of make the

1135
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: decision to stay where you're at and try to call

1136
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: that bird to you or go after? What are some

1137
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: of those cues or kind of indicators that let you

1138
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: decide what to do? Yeah, the first thing is it's

1139
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: just how desperate I am. You know, if it's if

1140
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: it's been a struggle and that's the only bird I've

1141
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: struck up, Like, I'm going after him, But if I

1142
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: know there's other gobblers closer to me, I'll just I'll

1143
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 1: keep tabs on that bird. I just won't go after

1144
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: him right then and there, because I mean, if there's

1145
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: birds closer to you, obviously, why would you not go

1146
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: to close the birds. But the idea is like, if

1147
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: if there's a lot of distance in between us and

1148
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying to gauge is it worth my hike to

1149
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: go over there? It really goes back to what I

1150
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: said earlier. You have to really get good at estimating

1151
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 1: the mood of a turkey. Right if he's far away

1152
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: but he's just hammering you, just showing so much interest,

1153
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: it's very hard for me to turn a bird like

1154
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: that down. But if he's far away and he's like

1155
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: giving me like half efforted gobbles and just not really

1156
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: showing interest, then I'm just I don't even go after him.

1157
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: I'll just find another bird, gotcha. Yeah, Then there's there's

1158
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: a lot of times if you kind of like you said, desperation,

1159
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:20,959
Speaker 1: if you know there are other birds in the area,

1160
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: like sometimes, especially if my approach wouldn't be good. Or

1161
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: if you know that thing could potentially pick me up

1162
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: and it's a risky move. Um, and I know there

1163
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: are other birds in there, I won't risk it at

1164
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: that point, but I'll keep it in the back of

1165
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: my mind, like, hey, there is a bird that's working

1166
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: that ridge over there. Um, you know you can always

1167
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: use it as kind of your backup plan. But yeah,

1168
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: similar to you, like, I don't want to bust over

1169
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: there potentially you know, not find the bird. That's just

1170
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: you're right around the corner on my side, Um, at

1171
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: the risk of losing it. So yeah, it depends on

1172
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: the situation and when you're gonna, h can't you go

1173
00:55:54,440 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: over there? In closing, if you had what's your one

1174
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,919
Speaker 1: tip you feel would give a turkey hundred better odds

1175
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: in finding success this year? My one tip, if I

1176
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: had to tell them, is hunt all day. You know,

1177
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: I've killed birds from first light to last light and

1178
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: everything in between. In fact, I'd say I'd killed more

1179
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 1: birds midday when most hunters stuffleft the woods are napping,

1180
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: you know. Turkeys, Like I said, turkeys first thing they

1181
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: do when they fly down, The first thing they do,

1182
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 1: or typically do, is they breed, so when they're breeding,

1183
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: it's hard to pull a tom away from the flock.

1184
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: But you know, once they're done at first light breeding

1185
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: and tom's are alone because the hens are tending their nests.

1186
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: Like dude, like from nine to three o'clock, you just

1187
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 1: don't know when you're gonna strike up a super hot tom.

1188
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: So if that's the there's one tip I could give

1189
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: to them. Hunt all day. Yep, No, I'm I'm the

1190
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: same way growing up in you know, hunt over there

1191
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: in northeast Washington. I got. I got to hunt with

1192
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: some locals and hunt with some people that have been

1193
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 1: doing it for a long time, and it was even

1194
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: comical to the point where it frustrated me. They wouldn't

1195
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 1: get up, you know, at four o'clock in the morning

1196
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: and go sit on a roost tree and whatnot. They

1197
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: would hang out at camp, cook themselves nice breakfast once

1198
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: it got daylight, wait for all of us young guys

1199
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: that were full of pissing vinegar earlier in the morning

1200
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: to come back to camp, and then they would go

1201
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: out and kill the birds that we were hunting. You know,

1202
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: It's just it's just nature and the way it works, right,

1203
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: It's those those toms fly down with a group of

1204
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: hens that handel, go lay eggs, go sit on her

1205
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: nest and leave, and then that tom's a lot more

1206
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: callable at that point. And so now I'm with you

1207
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: with that said. I think you're still punching the time

1208
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: clock whether you're out there in the morning and night.

1209
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: And and we all know that you can kill a

1210
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: bird first thing in the morning, but you can also

1211
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: kill a lot of birds midday. So similar to what

1212
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: you said, you know, more time in the woods is

1213
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: always going to lead to more success. And I'm fully

1214
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: on board with what you said there, right. They appreciate

1215
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: having you on the podcast today. How can people find

1216
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: out more about even where can they find your stuff? Yeah?

1217
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: So I primarily operate on YouTube and Instagram. My YouTube

1218
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: is just some Long Outdoors sam lg Outdoors and on

1219
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: Instagram it's sy Underscore Outside Perfect. Well. Yeah, like I said,

1220
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: you're doing cool stuff. I love your YouTube channel, you know,

1221
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: super humble, modest um in my opinion, doing the right

1222
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: way and representing hunters in the light that we need to.

1223
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: So no proud of you, like I said, got to

1224
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: watch it for the last four years. Really like what

1225
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: you're doing. Um, it's an honor to have you on here,

1226
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: and good luck to Spring. It sounds like we're gonna

1227
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: hook up and maybe do some trick hunting together, So

1228
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: everything we talked about here, maybe we'll be able to

1229
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: put it to use here, the Spring and the document

1230
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: and all. Absolutely, man, I'm looking forward to it.