Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, arm Strong and
Speaker 1: Getty and no Hee Armstrong and Yetty.
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Speaker 3: No kidding, That's what I thought when I heard that
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Speaker 3: Uh what do we got coming up later this hour?
Speaker 3: It's pretty good mom dummy for mom dummies. Plus Judge
Speaker 3: Larry are a good friend of the Armstrong and Getty show,
Speaker 3: talking about the Idaho Monsters sentencing, hearing the victim impact
Speaker 3: statements and the answered questions why are they unanswered?
Speaker 1: Stay with us? Okay, hold me on.
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Speaker 1: So we'll talk about.
Speaker 3: Even if the show is being executed, it's still being formed.
Speaker 1: This is fascinating that to you.
Speaker 3: Here are two sets of statistics that are out that
Speaker 3: are interesting We won't dwell on this one.
Speaker 1: We've talked about it a lot.
Speaker 3: The US fertility rate slumped to a new low last year.
Speaker 1: The numbers are just out unbelievable.
Speaker 3: The United States was once among only a few developed
Speaker 3: countries where the rate ensured that we were having enough
Speaker 3: kids to like, you know, continue as the society, which
Speaker 3: is about two point one kids per woman. Where now
Speaker 3: we dipped below that. We're now way below at new low.
Speaker 3: One point six kids per woman is our new uh.
Speaker 3: Where we are now, We're now what we used to
Speaker 3: look at with South Korea or various countries and.
Speaker 1: Think, oh my god, they are doomed. That's not us.
Speaker 3: It's just going to say, we're now South Korea with
Speaker 3: better baseball teams.
Speaker 1: In the sixties.
Speaker 3: By the way, when Joe and I were born, it
Speaker 3: was about three point five.
Speaker 1: Now one point six.
Speaker 3: Wow, that is a major change in the structure of society,
Speaker 3: like major You can't even overstate how big deal that is.
Speaker 3: Yeah for them, for the way people you know, put
Speaker 3: together their lives, spend their money.
Speaker 1: The things that you care.
Speaker 3: About, right, politics are waves, demographics are the tide as
Speaker 3: they say. It strikes me that my little joke about
Speaker 3: baseball was really really appropriate because a lot of our
Speaker 3: great baseball players are immigrants. And that is how the
Speaker 3: United States population is not only stable but growing.
Speaker 1: It's entirely immigration.
Speaker 3: And that's because that's the only way if you assume
Speaker 3: we must have economic growth, which appears to be the
Speaker 3: assumption of the powerful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to do it through immigration.
Speaker 3: In countries like Japan that are extremely uncomfortable with immigration,
Speaker 3: are really.
Speaker 1: What's the expert, Well, they're doing poorly.
Speaker 3: One more stat on this before I move on to
Speaker 3: the other stuff. Birth rates are declining for women in
Speaker 3: all age groups. So it's just across the board, people
Speaker 3: ain't having kids. As you say all the time, I
Speaker 3: don't think you can say this enough because it's so interesting.
Speaker 3: If this were happening to any other beast, we'd be
Speaker 3: highly concerned and universal wills.
Speaker 1: Science would be fixated on it. Yeah, if it were the.
Speaker 3: Vole or some sort of bird or whatever they just
Speaker 3: stopped reproducing, we'd think.
Speaker 1: Holy crap, that's got to be bad.
Speaker 3: Why any animal would just all of a sudden stop reproducing.
Speaker 1: It's got to be horrible. We need to figure this out.
Speaker 3: But for humans, we're just like, Eh, there's a lot
Speaker 3: on TV and TikTok and what you know anyway, and
Speaker 3: having kids just kind of bange the ass.
Speaker 1: So I understand this mating season.
Speaker 3: And we observed that the males were playing video games
Speaker 3: and stoned and watching pornography of antelopes breeding, while the
Speaker 3: women were screaming angrily in the streets about antelope rites
Speaker 3: or how about the male buffalo can no longer get
Speaker 3: an erection.
Speaker 1: It's the problem for a lot of people.
Speaker 3: While in the female flows out of her f and
Speaker 3: mind right, which we hear from our young male correspondence
Speaker 3: semi frequently. Dude, you have no idea how crazy it
Speaker 3: is out here. You talk to a girl for twenty
Speaker 3: minutes and it's like, holy cow, it's Jay Guavera's daughter. Oh,
Speaker 3: somebody who's explaining to me the other day about dating
Speaker 3: on one of your online websites. And that's where sixty
Speaker 3: percent of people meet now in the modern world. I
Speaker 3: think they were discussing bumble, the percentage of women who
Speaker 3: have pronouns in their little the very top line bio
Speaker 3: where you have like the most basic stuff have their
Speaker 3: pronouns in there, and how it's just you know, For
Speaker 3: some people that's an automatic no, so you just go
Speaker 3: through no, no, no, no, It doesn't matter what else
Speaker 3: is on there if you got pronouns in there, so
Speaker 3: there you go. Yeah, I got through third grade, so
Speaker 3: I know which pronouns to use for you, so I
Speaker 3: don't need your help.
Speaker 1: Obviously, it's not.
Speaker 3: It's an indicator of a lot more that probably comes
Speaker 3: with the pronoun package. Oh I know that. You know,
Speaker 3: it's probably probably comes with being ry ry had the
Speaker 3: list of things that come with that package would be
Speaker 3: a lot. It's a pretty damn good indicator, as you say,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like really helpful.
Speaker 1: Maybe no, you're one of those I don't know. I
Speaker 1: was thinking about that.
Speaker 3: Maybe not though it could It could be a I
Speaker 3: just thought you were supposed to do this, so I did.
Speaker 3: And it doesn't really include a deep belief in that
Speaker 3: sort of thing, but it might, and it say.
Speaker 1: Is it worth taking the chance?
Speaker 3: Well, I would say the lads applying those waters these
Speaker 3: days have decided to use that as an indicator, so
Speaker 3: they would know better than me.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 3: Uh, So I wanted to get to this. This is
Speaker 3: so you can feel superior or inferior. To others, which
Speaker 3: is really, you know what a great hobby that is. Yes,
Speaker 3: Fox Newpoll Newspole highly respected polling organization. Percentage of people
Speaker 3: rating their personal financial situation is excellent or good. So
Speaker 3: think for yourself. Do you feel like your financial situation
Speaker 3: is excellent or good? I feel like it's kind of
Speaker 3: interesting that the highest number they ever had, and I
Speaker 3: don't know how many years they've been asking this question,
Speaker 3: probably not that long, but the highest number was June
Speaker 3: of two thousand and four, right before the crash, sixty
Speaker 3: two percent of Americans described their personal financial situation is
Speaker 3: excellent or good, almost two thirds.
Speaker 1: That is something, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm casting my memory back to those days. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's that's interesting.
Speaker 1: The low had been.
Speaker 3: The low came almost exactly twenty years later, in May
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty three, thirty four percent. So that have
Speaker 3: been coming out of COVID all the inflation everything else.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, right, yeah, thirty four percent, so half as
Speaker 3: many people saying excellent are good.
Speaker 1: Then in May of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: You may recall economist Joe Getty saying at the time,
Speaker 3: if inflation is high, nothing else matters. Yeah, we've crawled
Speaker 3: out of that to a certain extent, not a lot.
Speaker 3: The most recent numbers are from March of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: It must take a while to compile these. At thirty
Speaker 3: nine percent, thirty nine percent of people say good or excellent.
Speaker 3: That's not very high, not even good. You don't even
Speaker 3: consider your personal financial situation good. That's not that's not good.
Speaker 3: In the markets, and many Americans are invested, whether through
Speaker 3: four to one k's or whatever, in the markets. The
Speaker 3: markets are insanely high right now, records every day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you have a You know, this is
Speaker 1: all an.
Speaker 3: Emotion, is not all, but a lot of It's an
Speaker 3: emotional reaction as opposed to a specific nuts and boat.
Speaker 3: Don't you think specific documented if you sat down with
Speaker 3: your numbers, you would say I'm behind or a head
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 1: Isn't an emotional feeling. So why do you think it's
Speaker 1: so low currently?
Speaker 3: Uncertainty? I just think there's so much uncertainty in the air,
Speaker 3: whether it's the tariffs or the world seems nuts. That
Speaker 3: makes me feel less secure. Uh yeah, yeah, just in general.
Speaker 3: That's the question they ought to ask. Does the world
Speaker 3: seem nuts too? That would be a great poll. Yeah, God,
Speaker 3: if the nuts ratio is or the nuts what we
Speaker 3: referred to as the nuts curve, if it reaches a
Speaker 3: certain point, I think you have to interpret virtually every
Speaker 3: number through the nuts filter. We have discovered something we
Speaker 3: need to put a name on. This is so clearly true.
Speaker 3: All polls are downstream of the nuts question. Does the
Speaker 3: world seem nuts to you right now? And I'll bet
Speaker 3: it's I'll bet it's in the eighties. Maybe ninety percent
Speaker 3: of people would say yes, all for different reasons, some
Speaker 3: because this is momentous. We have actually come up with
Speaker 3: an idea that matters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to get to somebody. We've got to
Speaker 1: trademark this.
Speaker 3: We need to get some PhDs involved in grafting the
Speaker 3: question and the analysis.
Speaker 1: I don't want.
Speaker 3: Any PhDs, but oh, just for the technical stime, I
Speaker 3: think this is absolutely true. It explains all the other
Speaker 3: numbers that sometimes you're like, why is that number that?
Speaker 3: It's because ninety percent of people think that the world
Speaker 3: is nuts right now, which might actually be pretty accurate. Again,
Speaker 3: some people thinking because of Trump. Some people think because
Speaker 3: of the forces aligned against Trump. Some people think because
Speaker 3: maybe me too. Many people are focused on Trump or
Speaker 3: whatever reason the world is nuts right now? How about
Speaker 3: the sociological stuff though, all of a sudden, I'm supposed
Speaker 3: to declare that that six foot four inch person right
Speaker 3: there with an intact penis and testicles is a woman.
Speaker 1: In fact, I'm ordered to say that at fear.
Speaker 3: Of losing my job in some quadrants of society, that
Speaker 3: you don't walk out.
Speaker 1: Of a situation like that.
Speaker 3: And there are folks who listening right now who have
Speaker 3: been in that situation. They have to take the knee,
Speaker 3: and I have to declare, yes, that's a woman, or
Speaker 3: their careers derailed.
Speaker 1: You're not coming.
Speaker 3: Away from a scenario like that, And then saying, on
Speaker 3: the other hand, and my finances are great and I'm
Speaker 3: feeling good about everything. No, it's profoundly disturbing, which factors
Speaker 3: into the nutscrap Sure where the media landscape or the
Speaker 3: couple of wars is going on, or the fact that
Speaker 3: we now recognize China as such an enemy, or all
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Speaker 1: Is that what you're contract Jack. Yes.
Speaker 3: As recently as two thousand and four, two thirds of
Speaker 3: Americans said their personal financial situations excellent are good? Now
Speaker 3: it's thirty nine percent. Your politics coming out of that
Speaker 3: will be powerful, no doubt about it. Here's our text
Speaker 3: line if you want to comment on any of that.
Speaker 3: Four one five two nine five KFTC. God doesn't want
Speaker 3: me to sleep a text I got from my son
Speaker 3: as I was just about to drift off to sleep.
Speaker 1: Oh, he texted.
Speaker 3: Me, hope you're not asleep yet, Dad, And it all
Speaker 3: unfolded from there and it was many hours before I
Speaker 3: laid back down in bed. More on that later coming up,
Speaker 3: we'll talk to Judge Larry Goodman about the sentencing hearing
Speaker 3: of the sub human scum in Idaho. But first, it's Mom,
Speaker 3: Dammy from mum Dummies. I feel like you're too I
Speaker 3: feel like you're too proud of this. I am enjoying
Speaker 3: it a little bit. Yes, I found this so interesting.
Speaker 3: It's some economic analysis by a fellow by the name
Speaker 3: of Ryan Salaam. But one of the most important things
Speaker 3: to understand about Momdami, the thirty three year old socialist
Speaker 3: who stunned the political establishment blah blah blah Democratic mayoral
Speaker 3: New York blah blah blah, is he has spent his
Speaker 3: young adult life much worse off than his parents. He
Speaker 3: knows the sting of having grown up in bourgeois comfort
Speaker 3: only to find himself scrambling to pay the rent in
Speaker 3: a less fashionable neighborhood. That experience is a major reason
Speaker 3: why he's emerged as the darling of the millennial Left,
Speaker 3: a movement defined by its sense of downward mobility.
Speaker 1: Well, was it a.
Speaker 3: Fact that he didn't have a job the reason he
Speaker 3: was struggling? Because I haven't heard him by it having
Speaker 3: a job.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 3: So, his dad was a tenured professor is at Columbia
Speaker 3: University and a prominent left wing intellectual. And his mom
Speaker 3: was a renowned Indian filmmaker Indian or similar, I mean
Speaker 3: her Her directorial debut was Salam Bombay Exclamation Points was
Speaker 3: released to global acclaim when she was thirty one years old.
Speaker 1: So she is a monster talent in that you know
Speaker 1: area of cinema.
Speaker 3: But if mom's an artist and dad's a Columbia professor,
Speaker 3: you're gonna end up with a certain kind of kid. Yeah,
Speaker 3: no kidding, But anyway, that whole well, he's less successful
Speaker 3: than his parents.
Speaker 1: Therefore not too that.
Speaker 3: It sounds like an opinion, but this is the interesting
Speaker 3: port a part. Drawing on decades of IRS data, researchers
Speaker 3: at Opportunity Insights and Economic Policy Institute found that among
Speaker 3: Americans born in nineteen forty, ninety two percent earned more
Speaker 3: than their parents at age thirty. Wow, just for information everything,
Speaker 3: that is ninety two percent. For the I was born
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty four, only fifty percent did half, and
Speaker 3: that decline has political consequences. Half seems pretty good to me.
Speaker 3: If you can't expect that forever, can you? Well, if
Speaker 3: you've come from you know, three four consecutive generations, where yes,
Speaker 3: absolutely you can. Sociologically that's a huge change. But shift
Speaker 3: the data a little more data before we get to analysis.
Speaker 3: Researchers at this economics lab found a strong correlation between
Speaker 3: perceiving yourself to be less well off than your parents,
Speaker 3: and zero sum thinking, or the belief that gains for
Speaker 3: some people come at the expense of others. Oh right,
Speaker 3: which is a profoundness understanding of how economies work.
Speaker 1: And a good way to end up miserable the rest
Speaker 1: of your life.
Speaker 3: And socialist or communist, which more guarantee you're miserable for
Speaker 3: the rest of your life.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 3: Roughly forty percent of the nation's seventy two million millennials,
Speaker 3: that's folks born between eighty one to ninety six, live
Speaker 3: in high cost, hyper competitive metropolitan areas where milestones such
Speaker 3: as owning a home or paying off student loan debt
Speaker 3: can loom as distant dreams, so they really perceive themselves
Speaker 3: to be worse off than their parents, who talked about
Speaker 3: buying their first house at twenty seven or whatever. Between
Speaker 3: millennials who are worse off than their parents and those
Speaker 3: who believe they're worse off and those who live in
Speaker 3: dysfunctional blue state metros or house hunting can feel like
Speaker 3: the Hunger Games. America has a critical mass of people
Speaker 3: whose expectations of intergenerational progress have gone sour, and therefore
Speaker 3: they think it's a zero sum game, and if Mamdani
Speaker 3: promises he's gonna take from them.
Speaker 1: They're like good, because that's the only way I can
Speaker 1: get ahead. I found that really interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, yeah, the mindset of if I don't have
Speaker 3: much at somebody else's fault is God again talk about
Speaker 3: dooming yourself to misery for the rest of your life,
Speaker 3: right extension that the only way that I can gain
Speaker 3: is if somebody else loses. And then the other part
Speaker 3: of if you have very successful parents or your dad
Speaker 3: successful or whatever, do you have to surpass them. If
Speaker 3: you don't surpass them, you've failed Somehow that seems unrealistic. Well,
Speaker 3: you're arguing with human psychology. I think you might be right,
Speaker 3: and people would be wise to adopt that point of view,
Speaker 3: But I mean, that's just not the way people are.
Speaker 3: A couple more stories that we don't even have time for.
Speaker 3: But AOC and Mamdani and the like are raking in
Speaker 3: cash as the rest of the party flounders. The radical
Speaker 3: left is where the money is right now in terms
Speaker 3: of fundraising, which is the only reason politicians get up
Speaker 3: in the morning. Yeah, well, I got some easy analysis
Speaker 3: of that. I think we'll get to later. And then
Speaker 3: the final thing that I really wanted to get to.
Speaker 3: Socialists are on Mumdanni proposed as government owned supermarkets for
Speaker 3: New York City, and the city has tried this and
Speaker 3: it is flopped. It is a miserable failure. I can't
Speaker 3: believe Kansas City tried it. I want to hear more
Speaker 3: about that. I got it for you anytime.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Okay, we got a lot of really good stuff today.
Speaker 3: I don't know how that happened, but I'm stick around.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be fantastic.
Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty. I made eye contact with him and
Speaker 1: he was enraged. He was just enraged. So you know,
Speaker 1: mission accomplished. You know we can move on now. He
Speaker 1: said what we needed to say.
Speaker 4: A faceless coward reached the tranquility of six beautiful young
Speaker 4: people and senselessly slaughtered them, four of them. The person
Speaker 4: that slithered through that sliding glass door at one one
Speaker 4: two two King Road now stands before the world, and
Speaker 4: this court unmasked.
Speaker 1: No parent should ever have to bury your child.
Speaker 4: In my view, the time has now calmed to in
Speaker 4: mister Colberger's fifteen minutes of fame.
Speaker 1: So that's the judge in the hearing.
Speaker 3: The sentencing hearing yesterday from the scumbag up in Idaho,
Speaker 3: and that was a dad before that, So yeah, the
Speaker 3: judge could barely get through that screed without breaking down.
Speaker 3: The crime's so horrific and needless and idiotic. To discuss
Speaker 3: the hearing in several different ways, we're joined by Larry Goodman,
Speaker 3: retired judge for the Superior Court in California.
Speaker 1: Larry, it's always great to talk to you. How are you.
Speaker 5: I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3: Of course, Yeah, thanks for being here. So any general
Speaker 3: impressions from the hearing? What's it like to be in
Speaker 3: a courtroom with a monster like that? What's it like
Speaker 3: for the families to finally speak their piece?
Speaker 1: Any thoughts?
Speaker 5: Well, it's always emotional. Sometimes there's not a dry eye
Speaker 5: in the house. Judges had certain ways to deal with that.
Speaker 5: I used to keep a bunch of pictures on my
Speaker 5: bench that I could look at to try to get
Speaker 5: out of the emotions. But it's it's tough because you're
Speaker 5: in there with pure evil and generally people like this guy.
Speaker 5: They have we used to call shark eyes. There's no spirit,
Speaker 5: there's no soul, and you know, they can say things
Speaker 5: to him and they may think that they're impacting him,
Speaker 5: but people like Picker then or sociopaths, uh, they're incapable
Speaker 5: of remorse. And it's so it makes it's good catharsis
Speaker 5: for the family members to speak, but it's it's just
Speaker 5: tough for everybody that's in that room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got some questions about that, but before we do,
Speaker 3: I think listeners probably had the same question, I do
Speaker 3: what do you mean by you had pictures sitting there
Speaker 3: in the courtroom you would look at to try to
Speaker 3: get over your emotionally.
Speaker 5: I would have family pictures. I would have pictures of Katie,
Speaker 5: my wife, places we've been, and I kept them on
Speaker 5: my bladder on my bench. And uh, because most of
Speaker 5: the cases I did were homicide cases and a fair
Speaker 5: amount of death penalty cases. And sometimes you just need
Speaker 5: to go to your what I guess to call your
Speaker 5: happy space where you're still listening. You're still there, but
Speaker 5: you need some emotional anchor to kind of hang on to.
Speaker 3: You're dealing with this stuff that's interesting because it's so
Speaker 3: incredibly heavy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So.
Speaker 3: It was cathartic for the families, no doubt, And honestly,
Speaker 3: anybody who is horrified by the crimes, enjoyed hearing the
Speaker 3: sub human scumbags lectured, and the rest of it. But
Speaker 3: I know we corresponded last night and you had some
Speaker 3: you're kind of dissatisfied with how some of this played out.
Speaker 1: Tell us about that.
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I wrote notes when it happened.
Speaker 5: But it was outrageous the way that this plea bargain
Speaker 5: went down. I mean, when you deal a case of
Speaker 5: this magnitude and you're the prosecutor, you call each family
Speaker 5: member into the office, or you arrange a place to
Speaker 5: meet with them, and you sit down with them and
Speaker 5: you explain to them in detail why you're taking a
Speaker 5: four victim homicide case it's a death penalty case, and
Speaker 5: pulling the death penalty off the table. And if you
Speaker 5: need to, you and you go talk to the judge
Speaker 5: and explain to the judge why you're doing it, and
Speaker 5: you enlist the judge to be part of that meeting
Speaker 5: with the defense attorney's approval, of course, to explain to
Speaker 5: this family, each family member, why you're doing this, because
Speaker 5: this is like a monumental decision to make, and to
Speaker 5: just send them a notice saying that you've made that decision.
Speaker 5: Not that they necessarily have detoil power, but they certainly
Speaker 5: have a right to express their pleasure or displeasure in
Speaker 5: the decision making process.
Speaker 3: Interesting, so they are indeed part of the team that
Speaker 3: ought to at least have input on making that decision.
Speaker 5: Right. I mean, by the way, we're not going to
Speaker 5: seek the death penalty for the guy that killed your daughter.
Speaker 5: In the statement, I mean, why tell me why and
Speaker 5: let them vent them Let them start the cathartic process
Speaker 5: by venting their displeasure with that decision. But they need
Speaker 5: to be included from the very get go as to
Speaker 5: why you and you need to tell them why is
Speaker 5: there a weakness in the case that we're concerned about.
Speaker 5: Was there something that happened that the prime scene that
Speaker 5: leads us to think that maybe when juror might lack
Speaker 5: onto that. You know, they talk about, well, you waved
Speaker 5: all appeals. There's no such thing as an appellate proof decision.
Speaker 5: You know, you can always say I am appealing because
Speaker 5: the lawyer who gave me the advice to wave my
Speaker 5: appeal was incompetent.
Speaker 1: So tell on the road.
Speaker 5: There's always that issue. So you need to have a
Speaker 5: you need to have a reason. And then the second
Speaker 5: part that was so disturbing is if you buy into
Speaker 5: the plea bargain. Part of the plea bargain, if you
Speaker 5: want us to take death off the table, then you
Speaker 5: stand up in open court and tell us why you
Speaker 5: did it, tell us where the murder weapon is, and
Speaker 5: then we'll take the death penalty up. Almost every person
Speaker 5: I heard talk about this yesterday talked about, well, we'll
Speaker 5: never know why he did it. Well, you might have
Speaker 5: been able to find out why he did it if
Speaker 5: you made that part of the deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Michael plays clip number seventy four. One of the
Speaker 3: victim's sisters.
Speaker 1: Where is the murder weapon? The clothes you wore that night?
Speaker 6: What were Kaylee's last words? If you're really smart, do
Speaker 6: you think you'd be here right now? If you had
Speaker 6: to take them in their sleep in the middle of
Speaker 6: the night like a pedophile, Kaylee would have kicked your
Speaker 6: mess Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: So can you even guess your honor why they wouldn't
Speaker 3: have demanded that sort of those sort of answers. Was
Speaker 3: it that they had a weak bargaining position, was it incompetence?
Speaker 3: I mean, we don't know, but what's your theory.
Speaker 5: Well, I don't have the theory, and it's beyond I
Speaker 5: don't understand why you have all the leverage. You've got
Speaker 5: the death penalty. Now, granted people don't get executed for
Speaker 5: years after that's imposed, and there are appeals, but you've
Speaker 5: got that kind of leverage, and you've got to try
Speaker 5: to use that leverage to find out even though he
Speaker 5: pled and people are going to move on this family,
Speaker 5: every family member is always going to wonder, why did
Speaker 5: he kill my daughter, why did he kill my son?
Speaker 5: And why did he do what he did? Where is
Speaker 5: the murder weapon? What happened to the knife? And those
Speaker 5: are things that people live with forever, and they had
Speaker 5: an opportunity to make that part of the deal. He says, Well,
Speaker 5: I'm not going to stand up and tell you why
Speaker 5: I did it. He say, fine, then we're going to
Speaker 5: seek the death penalty. I mean, it's a bargaining. I
Speaker 5: hate to say it, but the art.
Speaker 1: Of the deal.
Speaker 5: But that's what you do because now you have all
Speaker 5: the leverages. A minute you take the death penalty off
Speaker 5: the table, you've lost all your leverage. He has no
Speaker 5: incentive whatsoever to ever tell you that the other thing
Speaker 5: that's interesting, is they waive the pre sentence report. It's
Speaker 5: to have him sit for an interview with a probation
Speaker 5: officer and maybe they find out something why he did
Speaker 5: it during that interview. But they both sides waived the
Speaker 5: pre sentencing report. So I don't understand that either.
Speaker 3: So I'm surprised that these scumbag murderers care about the
Speaker 3: death penalty that much. Do most of them want to
Speaker 3: push really hard to stay alive. I mean, he's going
Speaker 3: to live the next forty years in a cell alone.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just don't get it.
Speaker 5: Well, they're really you know, depending on the state, the
Speaker 5: death penalty, the actual punishment is so far removed from
Speaker 5: the prime sentencing that whatever effect it has on the
Speaker 5: defendance is minimal. They used to be in California, where
Speaker 5: at least they had death row and they were segregated,
Speaker 5: they had minimal privilege is and they've done away with that.
Speaker 5: So now they're scattered all throughout the prison system and
Speaker 5: they get pretty much the same privileges as anybody else does.
Speaker 5: So wow, and then they change the law too, I mean,
Speaker 5: now and again you sent in somebody's death. And then
Speaker 5: they change the criteria or do something else and then
Speaker 5: all of a sudden it's not death eligible.
Speaker 3: But is your sense because you talked about the guy
Speaker 3: having shark eyes and being a sociopath or psychopath or whatever,
Speaker 3: and that's what he looks like to me.
Speaker 1: But most of those people want to stay alive.
Speaker 5: Though, I think so. I mean, there's a self preservation.
Speaker 5: They're full of bravado when they're in the courtroom, and
Speaker 5: I've had defendants stand up and say you can kill me,
Speaker 5: but you can't kill my soul and all that kind
Speaker 5: of stuff, And but I deep down inside, I think
Speaker 5: that they're get a little bit of a pucker factor
Speaker 5: when they actually think about being put to death.
Speaker 3: Sure, Judge Larry Goodman is on the line, retired judge
Speaker 3: for the Superior Court and California, speaking of this sub
Speaker 3: huban scumbag's future. What do you know about where he's
Speaker 3: going to be held and what his life and quotes
Speaker 3: is going to be?
Speaker 5: Like, Well, I think it's he'll pretty I think he'll
Speaker 5: probably spend a lot of time in segregation because I
Speaker 5: think there's probably a fair number of inmates that are
Speaker 5: already serving life terms that would probably want to earn
Speaker 5: some creds in the prison by killing him and or
Speaker 5: beating him to a pulp four or five times. So
Speaker 5: he's not going to have a pleasant stay, and he's
Speaker 5: not going to be able to intermingle with a whole
Speaker 5: lot of other inmates because what he did is kind
Speaker 5: of breaks the rules for even being a criminal or
Speaker 5: a murderer. So I know it won't be a pleasant stay,
Speaker 5: but I think he'll spend most of the time by himself.
Speaker 3: So I think that's interesting just sociologically. If I get
Speaker 3: into a beef with a guy over a drug territory
Speaker 3: or just a personal thing or whatever, and I on
Speaker 3: him down and I'm in prison for life, uh uh,
Speaker 3: I have a very different status than somebody who sneaks
Speaker 3: into a house a night and slaughters young people for
Speaker 3: for giggles.
Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, I mean it sounds kind of weird, but
Speaker 5: there are rules in criminals, in crime and in the
Speaker 5: criminal element. So if you commit what anybody would call
Speaker 5: it a generic murder over drug territory, or even a
Speaker 5: robbery for that matter, you have a whole different status
Speaker 5: in prison than if you're do what this guy did,
Speaker 5: or if you're a pedophile or a child rapist, or
Speaker 5: something like that. There's there's there are consequences in that
Speaker 5: if you ever should uh accidentally end up in general population.
Speaker 3: So I was wondered about you said there was a
Speaker 3: cathartic experience for the family members to be able to,
Speaker 3: you know, say their peace to this loser.
Speaker 1: Is there any legal reason to do that?
Speaker 3: I mean if they opted not to do that, would
Speaker 3: that would that hurt their hurt them in.
Speaker 1: Any way legally?
Speaker 5: You mean the family members?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the family members, they said, if I didn't want
Speaker 1: to do that.
Speaker 5: No, they don't have to. I've done cases where the
Speaker 5: family members choose not to, or maybe they assign one
Speaker 5: family member to speak for the whole family because the
Speaker 5: rest of them don't feel comfortable doing it or can't
Speaker 5: do it. So, yeah, but there's no downside if they
Speaker 5: choose not to do it, except maybe internally and emotional.
Speaker 3: It wouldn't affect the sentencing any No.
Speaker 5: No, in a deal like this, the sentence is already predetermined.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's no there was no leeway for the
Speaker 5: judge to do anything other than what he did because
Speaker 5: that was part of the deal.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Actually one of the families declined, they said, no,
Speaker 3: we're through with us.
Speaker 1: It's this is the closure we need. So yeah, well, Judge, Larry,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Larry.
Speaker 5: Well, just being in the same room with this pos
Speaker 5: is maybe more than people, you know, some family members
Speaker 5: wanted to deal with, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be very, very hard to contain my
Speaker 3: natural animal urges. There's all kinds of different people to
Speaker 3: have different emotions. I'd feel to a certain extent like
Speaker 3: I'm giving him what he wants that I'm upset just
Speaker 3: I don't even care enough about you to show up,
Speaker 3: you loser, Judge, Larry Goodman, Judge, it's always great to
Speaker 3: talk to you.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for the insight.
Speaker 5: I appreciate the time. Thanks so much. Guys, talk to you.
Speaker 1: So you got it?
Speaker 3: Sounds good, sets though, there's a lot of interesting stuff there. Shark, guys,
Speaker 3: that's the day he that's what he had. Man, who
Speaker 3: knows what's going on in the head of a crazy
Speaker 3: person like that. We'll never figure that out. I think
Speaker 3: even a normal person that circumstance is going to shut
Speaker 3: down emotionally.
Speaker 1: Well, and he's clearly not a normal person, So.
Speaker 3: No, I think honestly he might well be a sociopath, psychopath, whatever,
Speaker 3: The one thing he is is mind bogglingly selfish, which
Speaker 3: probably makes him an a sociopath to decide to see
Speaker 3: if he could get away with something and it be
Speaker 3: the slaughter of for human being. I mean, if you
Speaker 3: want to see if you can get away with a
Speaker 3: burglary because you're so damn clever, that's an idiotic idea.
Speaker 1: But it's alright.
Speaker 3: How about the pecking order thing though, I mean some
Speaker 3: of it I get. But the so you robbed me
Speaker 3: on the street and I ended up dying, that's justifiable
Speaker 3: or okay as part of our world. But the sneak
Speaker 3: into the house killing him is not. I mean I
Speaker 3: don't find either one of them. Great, yeah, maybe we
Speaker 3: can get into that down the road. Wow, that is
Speaker 3: something else interesting stuff though, what a great guess.
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Speaker 1: What he gave me away? A peg leg? Is that
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Speaker 3: So I been running on a deficiency of sleep, like
Speaker 3: I have been doing most of my adult life, which
Speaker 3: is probably going to cut my longevity by a decade
Speaker 3: or more. I will drop dead from not getting into
Speaker 3: But last night I was going to really really really
Speaker 3: really really strive to get to bed early, and I
Speaker 3: had accomplished it. I am in bed. What time did
Speaker 3: I send my texts to my son? This text eight
Speaker 3: twenty nine. I mean that's two hours before I usually
Speaker 3: get to bed or more. I send my son. I
Speaker 3: knew where Henry was, my thirteen year old. He is
Speaker 3: in the house, and my sixteen year old's out and
Speaker 3: about like sixteen year old. He's going to be sixteen soon.
Speaker 3: So I text him. I said, I'm going to bed.
Speaker 3: He texts back in all caps, no, oh, I just
Speaker 3: got the tallow Are you very stuck?
Speaker 1: That is an electric dirt bike that he rides around.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: I almost crashed him in deep ass mud. I texted back,
Speaker 3: I'm sure you can get it out, he said, I've
Speaker 3: been trying for thirty minutes and it's getting dark. So
Speaker 3: I laid there for a little bit and I thought, okay,
Speaker 3: So I tried to figure out where he was he's
Speaker 3: out in this field. It was completely dark. It was
Speaker 3: very hard to find him. He was wearing only underwear
Speaker 3: at this point because he was wearing some of his
Speaker 3: really he's wearing some of his good jeans and good shoes.
Speaker 3: And he was in so much money he'd taken off
Speaker 3: his clothes to keep from ruining them. The motorcycle's completely buried,
Speaker 3: I mean, like just the top of the seat and
Speaker 3: the handlebar is sticking out in this mud. My gosh, right,
Speaker 3: and he'd been trying to pull it out, and it's
Speaker 3: pitch dark, and we got a flashlight, and I'm, you know,
Speaker 3: waiting for the cops to show up, because we're someplace
Speaker 3: we probably shouldn't be anyway. Anyway, Science spend a lot
Speaker 3: of time digging that thing out and pulling it out
Speaker 3: and getting it loaded up in my truck, pushing it
Speaker 3: like a half a mile and then getting a loaded
Speaker 3: my truck. And then we went to car wash and
Speaker 3: I washed it off. I washed him off. I hosed
Speaker 3: him off with the car wash wand like a circus,
Speaker 3: like a circuits ell of it in the car washing
Speaker 3: at least, but there in his underwear. And uh, then
Speaker 3: I went to bed two and a half hours later,
Speaker 3: and I was expecting to, but I did say to him,
Speaker 3: I said, he said, I can't believe this happened. This
Speaker 3: is one of the worst situations I've ever got into.
Speaker 3: And I said, you know how many times I've done
Speaker 3: something like this in my life?
Speaker 1: Roughly one hundred. I said, it's just a thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know what twodos for giving the kid
Speaker 3: enough uh, you know, enough leash to get into trouble
Speaker 3: and figure out how to get out of it and
Speaker 3: the rest of it, because you know he will run
Speaker 3: into panic inducing situations down the road and think.
Speaker 1: You know, this reminds me the whole motorcycle and the
Speaker 1: mud thing. Right, If I can deal with that, I
Speaker 1: can deal with this.
Speaker 3: As I was getting it out of there, I thought,
Speaker 3: how many times, Jack, have you done this sort of
Speaker 3: thing in your life? Although I was telling him about
Speaker 3: pre cell phone, when I got myself into messages like this,
Speaker 3: you're walking a long way because there was no getting
Speaker 3: a hold of anybody. Yeah, I'm reminded of myself walking
Speaker 3: a couple of miles on hockey skates with blood streaming
Speaker 3: down my face after a similar incident.
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