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Speaker 2: All right, guys, Happy Friday. Emily's working on some tech

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Speaker 2: issues over there, so start this. Kick this off with

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Speaker 2: just me and soccer. How's it going, guys?

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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, how are you everybody? It's good to see

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Speaker 1: you on Friday.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 1: We had a we had a fun night with the baby,

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Speaker 1: but we're still here for.

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Speaker 4: Oh boy, you want to share some details?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean nothing that any newborn parents. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of screaming. There's a lot of crying.

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Speaker 1: It's it's all right, you know. It's like one am

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Speaker 1: therapy sessions and other things that we have to deal with.

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Speaker 4: But it's just from myer. This phase doesn't last.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's done too, It's true, and then its on to

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Speaker 2: another phase, which will also be difficult in its own ways.

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Speaker 2: But the just like endurance phase of no sleep is

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Speaker 2: Right now, I promise you it doesn't last forever. Emily,

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Speaker 2: do we have you yet?

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Speaker 5: Let's say, yeah, there she is, She's there.

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Speaker 4: There we go excellent.

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Speaker 5: I come to these things to hear about your lives basically,

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Speaker 5: so that's.

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Speaker 4: What everybody's here we catch up on.

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Speaker 2: We do miss having Ryan, though, because he always has

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Speaker 2: something some interesting nugget to drop on us.

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Speaker 4: Always.

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Speaker 5: Yes, like that he's already ten minutes late for a meeting.

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Speaker 5: But Ryan's on his way to Ireland, so.

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Speaker 4: Yes, oh wow, safe travels to him.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we have a bunch of stuff we are going

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Speaker 2: to try to get to this morning, but I don't

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Speaker 2: think we'll get to all of this. But we've got

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Speaker 2: new Epstein stuff, in particular the Andrew Schultzen the flagrant

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Speaker 2: lot of interesting things. There are some Trump regrets going

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Speaker 2: also got new tariffs announced, We've got new zoron freak out.

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Speaker 2: We've got new stuff going on with Israel with immigration.

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Speaker 2: One thing I am bound and determined to get to,

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Speaker 2: but it'll probably be in the premium half of the

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Speaker 2: show is billionaire Bill Ackman apparently paid his way into

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Speaker 2: a pro tennis match in which he was obviously he's

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Speaker 2: what is he fifty nine years old, he's not a

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Speaker 2: pro tennis player, gets of course completely humiliated.

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Speaker 4: The other players on the court.

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Speaker 2: It was a doubles match are just sort of like

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Speaker 2: Andy Roddick went off on his podcast and I'm just

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Speaker 2: I'm obsessed. I enjoy watching tennis, so I'm interested in

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Speaker 4: The mind of the billionaire.

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Speaker 6: Don't rely yeah golf to like you have a yeah,

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Speaker 1: Have, but billionaires don't play in pro because they just

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Speaker 4: The level is brisk, completely shocking.

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Speaker 2: Like I mean, you know, I was like a fairly

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Speaker 4: So anyway, we could talk more about that later.

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Speaker 6: We have video, and we have an essay.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we have videos, we have essays, we have anti

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Speaker 2: rodicks going off on I mean, he was like he

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Speaker 2: Flagrant pod. So the first one, I think the first

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Speaker 2: now Trump being like, I can't believe you're even why

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Speaker 2: Why do you even care about this guy? Let me

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Speaker 2: go ahead and play this.

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Speaker 7: Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?

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Speaker 2: We have Texas, we have this, we have all of

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Speaker 2: the things, and people say this is great.

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Speaker 7: So we're stupid. Yeah, we're We're the fucking idiots, guys.

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Speaker 7: That is I think what is enraging people right now

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Speaker 7: is it's insulting our intelligence. Like obviously the intelligence community

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Speaker 7: is trying to cover it up. Obviously Trump administration is

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Speaker 7: trying to cover up something changed because they ran on

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Speaker 7: this idea of exposing it all. Yeah, all these guys

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Speaker 7: had great ideas. Cock Eye Cash. He was ready to

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Speaker 7: tear it all down. He was ready to tear down

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Speaker 7: the entire FBI.

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Speaker 1: Shut down the Hoover building day one, day one.

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Speaker 7: Then he's still standing and then he goes on Jill

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Speaker 7: Rogan and he's like, listen, do you think if I

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Speaker 7: I do. I do believe that, especially when you're staring

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Speaker 7: at me like this, tell me, once you protect pedophiles,

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Speaker 7: you are the most cauc person.

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Speaker 1: So one or two things, in my mind, is it

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Speaker 3: Or two nothing really happened and you exploited the of

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Speaker 3: thousands of children to get your man elected.

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Speaker 1: So which one do you want here?

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Speaker 4: That is a very good point there at the end.

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Speaker 6: I like it.

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Speaker 1: I like it, uh, And actually I really I want to.

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Speaker 1: I'm sad that Ryan's not here because he had the

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Speaker 1: best analysis for me, which was for a lot of

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Speaker 1: people specifically like podcasts online, like you know, we can't

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Speaker 1: ever determine like what percentage of the vote swung that

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Speaker 1: way to Trump, but a lot of it was ViBe's base,

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Speaker 1: and the Vibe base was of the outsider exposing the

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Speaker 1: insider right, and that's kind of how Kamala how Biden,

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Speaker 1: how the outsider campaign, regardless of whether you say their

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Speaker 1: establishment or not. Like, that's how it came off and

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Speaker 1: read to a lot of people. And Epstein's story is

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Speaker 1: kind of this vector where for many people they're like,

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna lie to me about this, or if

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Speaker 1: you're not going to talk about this, if you're not

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Speaker 1: gonna be honest about this, then there's all these other

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Speaker 1: that's why, you know, Ben Shapiro recently.

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Speaker 8: Was like, well, Epstein actually is you know, like the

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Speaker 8: lowest list of priorities for people. It's like nobody's saying

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Speaker 8: it's a priority. It's not like the number one thing,

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Speaker 8: but it's the extent to which you exploited it for

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Speaker 8: your political ends. I mean, in Cash and Dan Bongino's case,

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Speaker 8: they literally got rich talking about this stuff. So that's

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Speaker 8: actually extra objectionable to me. But the reason why, I mean,

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Speaker 8: I was listening to a Shane Gillis podcast this morning

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Speaker 8: with my friend Matt McCusker, same thing. They're like, guys, like,

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Speaker 8: this is the most bullshit thing ever. You know, They're like, oh,

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Speaker 8: I guess he's you know, totally innocent. Shane was like,

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Speaker 8: maybe you know Trump is. It's like, it's obvious Trump

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Speaker 8: is trying to cover something up. He's probably in the

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is again like it is a vector

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Speaker 1: if you're going to sell something like this grand vision

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Speaker 1: in that in that that clip, I think he's really

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Speaker 1: another conclusion of like you're covering some shit up, man,

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Speaker 1: like you're covering some up. You just can't get away

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Speaker 5: I think it was a real gateway drug to politics

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Speaker 5: for gen Z because the Epstein stuff was playing out

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Speaker 5: with everything sorry just said, and want to just add

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Speaker 5: to it. The inverse here is that the implication if

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Speaker 5: you are suddenly the Trump administration that is bumbling it

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Speaker 5: in the most clumsy possible way. It is like a

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Speaker 5: satire the way Pam Bondi has screwed the story up,

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Speaker 5: the way cash and like they just look ridiculous. So

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Speaker 5: the inverse of that, it's not only that they were

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Speaker 5: the outsiders coming in to expose the insiders. They are

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Speaker 5: now horrible insiders, right, So it's not just that like

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Speaker 5: they're they're covering up, it's that they're also now like

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Speaker 2: I mean from my perspective too, there was always a

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Speaker 2: Epstein files, because, first of all, whenever you asked about

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Speaker 2: him about it, he would give very squarely, very squarely

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Speaker 2: back when he was in office. The first time is

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Speaker 2: when Epstein killed himself and when he got asked about, hey,

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Speaker 2: what do you think about Gallaine Max while he was

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Speaker 2: on trial.

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Speaker 4: Right now, she's like, I wish her well.

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Speaker 6: So there's that they doubled down on wishing her well.

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Speaker 4: There's a fact like we know they were friends.

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Speaker 2: We've got pictures of them together, we have like he

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Speaker 10: And this is my theory with like our politicians individually corrupt,

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Speaker 3: I believe that about Trump.

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Speaker 7: I believe when Trump everything he campaigned on, I believe

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Speaker 5: with the level of scrutiny and skepticism of the establishment

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Speaker 5: that exists. And I think the Trump world believes that

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Speaker 5: they have way more control over the discourse and the vibes.

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Speaker 1: Then that's a great point, you know, actually, to pick

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Speaker 1: up on that. It's true. I have been struck by

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Speaker 1: the exact same feeling with people are reaching out to

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Speaker 1: me and be like, oh, why are you so down

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Speaker 1: on Trump? And I was like, man, you guys just

446
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Speaker 1: don't get it, like you guys think that this big

447
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Speaker 1: Beautiful Bill thing and this Iran thing. They're like hoovering

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Speaker 1: up all of this Maga cope from Charlie Kirk's Twitter feed.

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Speaker 1: And you know the irony is, if you actually listen closely,

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Speaker 1: if you listen to the Charlie Kirk Show and all

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Speaker 1: of that, there's not nearly as much of this whole

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Speaker 1: trust Trump thing.

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Speaker 2: Ba.

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Speaker 1: I actually think it's a kind of a similar dynamic

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Speaker 1: to how Democrats had the Twitter is not real life problem.

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Speaker 1: It's because maga has become such a ubiquitous like force

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, and there's like all of these like blue

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Speaker 1: check weird accounts that are just constantly posting like Trump

459
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Speaker 1: wins or any of these other things that they just

460
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Speaker 1: really believe a lot of their own bs like you,

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Speaker 1: they actually think the Big Beautiful Bill is popular. It's shocking.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, I do not know

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Speaker 1: what you guys are smoking to think that there is

464
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Speaker 1: any level of like the enthusiasm for this beyond like

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Speaker 1: what they're happy about is they're like, look at our

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Speaker 1: legislative victory, Like we got thrist through the house. I'm like, bro,

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Speaker 1: you're having a prop says conversation. Nobody a fuck about that.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's like they care about what they call

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Speaker 2: that like epistemic closure, where there's just no ability for

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Speaker 2: other information to penetrate because it's like point, you've decided

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Speaker 2: that poles don't like reflect reality. So even though every

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Speaker 2: pole is like this thing is underwater forty points with independence,

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Speaker 2: that's just completely discarded. They're like, yeah, but there was

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Speaker 2: a cat turned pole that said whatever you know, right well.

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Speaker 5: Or yeah, but when people see it in their pocket books,

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Speaker 5: they'll be happy, Like that's a lot of it.

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Speaker 4: That's the cope.

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Speaker 2: And then, you know, because you have this like closed

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Speaker 2: media ecosystem, and then Trump, you know, it is not

480
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Speaker 2: only a billionaire but also is the president of the

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Speaker 2: United States and has gone out of his way to

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Speaker 2: have nothing but just like the most embarrassing sickophants around him.

483
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Speaker 2: And yes, man, he's certainly not getting any accurate information

484
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Speaker 2: and so and you know, I haven't heard I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't watch War Room every day, but I haven't

486
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Speaker 2: heard Steve Vannon every criticizing the Big Beautiful Bill since

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Speaker 2: it passed. Oh yeah, in advance, he was sounding the

488
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Speaker 2: alarm about like, hey, a lot of maga are on Medicaid,

489
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Speaker 2: and hey, maybe we should like actually increase the taxes

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Speaker 2: on the ridge. Now this past he's basically shut up

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Speaker 2: as far as I can tell. And so even though

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Speaker 2: the messaging against this bill is so obvious of like

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Speaker 2: they're taking your healthcare to fund a tax cut for

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Speaker 2: the rich. Even though that's such a layup, even Hakeem

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Speaker 2: Jeffreys and Chuck Schumer can figure it out, they're just

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Speaker 2: so closed off from reality that they don't see it whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: And then you know, there's also just like a yellow

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Speaker 2: quality to this administration.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if Trump is planning to run again

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Speaker 4: third term.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on there, but he's put

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Speaker 2: the immigration bucket firmly in Steven mm's hands. You know,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk maybe, I'm not sure if we're going to

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Speaker 2: get to all this later or not. There was this

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Speaker 2: Washington Post report that Joe Rugan was like, hey, you know,

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Speaker 2: can we like dial it back with the farm workers

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Speaker 2: and the whatever. Well, there's footage today of a massive

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Speaker 2: rate including like helicopters and militarized vehicles and whatever on

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Speaker 2: a farm.

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Speaker 4: So Steven M. A week's got alligator, marijuana farm help Zager.

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Speaker 2: But in any case, you've got alligator Alcatraz, you've got Seacot,

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Speaker 2: Like clearly he's just like Steve and m you do

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Speaker 2: your thing over there, and there seems to not really

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Speaker 2: be any care or concern even for whether any of

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Speaker 2: this is going to be politically palatable to the masses.

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Speaker 2: And so that's been that's been my biggest surprise from

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Speaker 2: Rogan Schultz and others is the discomfort with the immigration,

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Speaker 2: with the deportation policy, because you could say a lot

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Speaker 2: of things about like so, for example, on the Ukraine War,

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Speaker 2: Trump has definitely been different than was advertised, right, you

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Speaker 2: could say, you know, on cutting Medicaid, that's certainly different

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Speaker 2: than advertised. Like, you know, there are things that I

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Speaker 2: could say, Okay, this is a little different than what

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Speaker 2: was portrayed on the campaign trail, even though I would say,

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Speaker 2: if you look at the first term, you could have known,

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Speaker 2: but okay, put that aside on grace there on immigration,

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Speaker 2: like they had massias now science, I agree with your NC.

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Speaker 2: How did you not know and if you just knew

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Speaker 2: like the most basic facts about the immigrant population, the

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Speaker 2: idea that there was this mass like millions of criminals

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Speaker 2: that they're going to be able to deport preposterous. And

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Speaker 2: then to the point of Andrew and I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: who was talking in that club about like yeah, Akosh

534
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Speaker 2: was saying, like, I don't even know if they're shipping

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Speaker 2: out criminals.

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Speaker 4: He's actually right about that.

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Speaker 2: There's new reporting about it is much easier if you're

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Speaker 2: just going for numbers.

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Speaker 4: It's much easier to just.

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Speaker 2: Go to the farm, go to the home depot, go

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Speaker 2: to the garment factory, go to like wherever immigrants tend

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Speaker 2: to cluster. And these are predominantly law abiding, you know,

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Speaker 2: people who you know have been in the country for

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Speaker 2: some amount of time. It takes more resources and more

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Speaker 2: time to track down the criminal gang member. So the

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Speaker 2: directions have come from Steven Miller directly and are being interpreted,

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Speaker 2: you know, down to the agent level of like you

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Speaker 2: can't you don't have time to pursue those cases because

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Speaker 2: we just need to get the numbers up, which means

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Speaker 2: that actually far few were criminal undocumented immigrants are being

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Speaker 2: swept up and detained. It is much more of a

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Speaker 2: numbers game of where can we go to get the

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Speaker 2: largest number in the shortest amount of time.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think that could have been true

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Speaker 1: before the one hundred and seventy five billion if it

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Speaker 1: stands like you know, we really are not like quite.

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Speaker 1: I don't know yet. I read the same Nick miroof

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Speaker 1: Atlantic article that you're referencing there that was jet prior

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Speaker 1: to the passage of the bill, which massively of course

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Speaker 1: funds like cbp ICE and all of these other places.

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Speaker 1: But I do agree in terms of I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is part of the issue. Look, no offense, many of

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Speaker 1: these people are my friends. But this is part of

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Speaker 1: the problem with vibes based voting, right, because what you're

565
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Speaker 1: really reacting is you're reacting against Biden border chaos, and

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Speaker 1: you're not taking a lot of this stuff actually literally

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Speaker 1: and seriously, I did a monologue you'll probably remember, Crystal,

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Speaker 1: where I was like, Hey, if you are voting on issues,

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Speaker 1: I was like, here's how you should vote, And I

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Speaker 1: can't stress enough how much people don't vote that way

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Speaker 1: and then express surprise and shock whenever these things actually

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Speaker 1: do happen. And this, you know, I mean, unfortunately, that's

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Speaker 1: just like the way a lot of the country votes.

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Speaker 1: That's how it was during George W. Bush, like mister

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Speaker 1: I would like to have a beer with him. And

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Speaker 1: it's like, oh, well that doesn't actually have anything to

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Speaker 1: do with Iraq, but whatever, well point, I guess, sorry ahead.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was just saying, there's one other piece I

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Speaker 2: do want to say though about the Democratic Party, which

580
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Speaker 2: is you know, we played that clip of him being like, hey,

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Speaker 2: the people who seem like their most American versus DSA.

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Speaker 2: It really I mean, it's it's one data point, but

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Speaker 2: it really does expose the foolishness of thinking it's gonna

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Speaker 2: be like Dean Phillips and Alyssa slot Kid.

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Speaker 4: Yes, bring back the bros, you know.

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Speaker 2: And so this old model of politics of oh, the

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Speaker 2: way to win them back is to like go to

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Speaker 2: the center and to be more corporate friendly whatever. It's like, No,

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Speaker 2: that's the polar opposite. Zoraon Mamdani won the bros overwhelmingly

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Speaker 2: of all races and classes, like it was a generational shift,

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Speaker 2: and the bros freaking loves Zorn. You liked Zoron, like Rogan.

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Speaker 2: The thing that he knew about Zoron was that moment

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Speaker 2: on the debate stage where he was like, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to stay here.

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to Israel.

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Speaker 2: So you know, there's I think there's something very important

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Speaker 2: in that, even as you don't want to take like

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Speaker 2: you know, the vibes of one particular podcast comedian, but

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Speaker 2: when you look at the data that is emblematic of

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Speaker 2: like if you actually win these want to win these

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Speaker 2: guys back, it's no mystery what you need, what direction

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Speaker 2: you need to go. And so instead of like fighting

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Speaker 2: Zoron tooth and nail and trying to destroy him, maybe

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Speaker 2: there's something to learn here from this person who was

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Speaker 2: like uniquely charismatic and has a policy platform that people

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Speaker 2: really were excited about and find him personally compelling.

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Speaker 1: I also think it's a good important lesson for the left,

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Speaker 1: and this is something I was talking about yesterday with Zoron.

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Speaker 1: But you know what the right wing attacks right now

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Speaker 1: are like Zoron is a Muslim foreigner, right, and it's like, no,

611
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Speaker 1: like Zoron is actually a very interesting study in the

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Speaker 1: modern American left. From wearing shalwar camies and flip off

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Speaker 1: Christopher Columbus and saying defund the police is putting in

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Speaker 1: a codical glove to like and yeah, and to now

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Speaker 1: wearing a suit and talking about new York first going

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Speaker 1: on the Abundance podcast and then also talking and you

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Speaker 1: know recently he was like, yeah, sure, maybe I'll keep

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Speaker 1: the New York City Police commissioner. But like to me,

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Speaker 1: like Zoron, feels as if he's talking about New York,

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Speaker 1: which is in itself the opposite of being some sort

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Speaker 1: of like foreign interloper, right, And so there is something

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Speaker 1: that important too. Again, if you do want to talk

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Speaker 1: and take the Sheltz thing and try and extrapolate it

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Speaker 1: out into an American context. By the way, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's not just Schultz, it's Rogan. Like you talked about

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Speaker 1: Tucker and my conversation, we were both praising Zoron for

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Speaker 1: his answer specifically about this, Well, what does it come

628
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Speaker 1: down to? Be American? Like, it's actually about being and

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Speaker 1: defending America as a concept and not some sort of

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Speaker 1: like transnational you know, leftism and liberalism, which at its

631
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Speaker 1: worst of the Democratic Party back in the two thousand,

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Speaker 1: if you know to the extent that there was a

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Speaker 1: ViBe's based shift against immigration, it was like there for you,

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Speaker 1: there for them, and they're not for you. I still

635
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: think a lot of that is very true. But you know,

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Speaker 1: if you do want us to overcome that message, you

637
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Speaker 1: have to sell it in an American context and not

638
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Speaker 1: in terms of feeling like sympathy for subgroups DEI and

639
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: foreigners as opposed to your own citizens. This again is

640
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Speaker 1: the vibe context to which Trump was able to win

641
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Speaker 1: the immigration debate. I still don't think that the left

642
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Speaker 1: or liberals have really like squared that circle. They can try,

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Speaker 1: and that should be a project in my opinion of

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Speaker 1: them for the next three and a half years, like

645
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Speaker 1: if they do want to win. But the reason why

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Speaker 1: I think that they're the strongest and why Akosh specifically

647
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Speaker 1: sided there about the green card example, and Emily you

648
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Speaker 1: noted free speech. This is why the Khalil case matters, right,

649
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: because you run on free speech and then you go

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Speaker 1: to you go to Europe, you know, and you and

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Speaker 1: you lecture them, and then we're banning guys for having

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Speaker 1: memes of JD on their phone. We're like, what the

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Speaker 1: fuck are we doing here?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: And then same with the Khalil thing. We're like, Yo,

656
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Speaker 1: this guy and Oz Turk are getting deported for co

657
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Speaker 1: signing and op ed that nobody read about BDS at

658
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Speaker 1: Tufts University. You're like this is insane. This is totally insane.

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Speaker 1: I talked to here about that coffee shop case. I

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Speaker 1: didn't have a chance to messure this on Tucker. Have

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Speaker 1: I mentioned it here before that the DJ is suing

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Speaker 1: this coffee shop in Los Angeles because they they had

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Speaker 1: a drink or whatever that said that like quote unquote

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Speaker 1: celebrated Hamas. And it's like, yo, this is like going

665
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Speaker 1: after that baker who wouldn't bake that cake for gays.

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Speaker 1: I was like, that's not this is the same bullshit,

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Speaker 1: you know. I'm like, by the way, I stand with

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Speaker 1: the baker.

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Speaker 6: And I stand with the coffee game to gay wedding.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the gay wedding. Sorry, yeah, gay the gay wedding.

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Speaker 1: But it's like, okay, like let them do whatever the

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Speaker 1: fuck they want to do. You know, it's it's not

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Speaker 1: a civil rights violation. This is ridiculous, And like that's

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Speaker 1: that is, you know, to the hijack point about free

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Speaker 1: speech and specifically on immigration. I think that's a very

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Speaker 1: very useful one, you know, for a lot of these

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Speaker 1: for a lot of like the Democratic Party and the

678
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Speaker 1: modern left, to be able to point out, you know,

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Speaker 1: that extent not to mention the economic piece of all

680
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Speaker 1: of this where the big beautiful bill comes in. So

681
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Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this a lot, and that's why

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Speaker 1: I think Zorn really is such an important candidate. And

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Speaker 1: just the way the right is reacting to him, like

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Speaker 1: in the way that they're calling him those like, you know,

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Speaker 1: Muslim Marxist, It's like, it's like, guys, what, yeah, it.

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Speaker 6: Was just.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny. It's so funny to Indians because I'm like, yo,

688
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Speaker 1: this is the prototypical liberal Shia. Like to me, he's

689
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Speaker 1: got a sufie vibe. You know, his mom directed Kama

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Speaker 1: Sutra like spiritually their shit libs compared to even like

691
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Speaker 1: conservative Hindus like us. So to call them, uh list list,

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Speaker 1: it's so so funny to anybody who's like remotely in

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Speaker 1: the night.

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Speaker 11: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Like, to me, he's an American character, and uh yeah,

696
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Speaker 1: if you're an American leftist, you should model yourself off Zor.

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Speaker 1: Zorn feels American, he feels New York. That's the way

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Speaker 1: that he talks, that's the way that he looks. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's studied. Obviously, he's very smart guy. He's probably read

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Speaker 1: a decent amount of history in the way that you

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Speaker 1: actually actionalize these moments and that that is very much. Man,

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Speaker 1: it really is a damn shame he can't run for president.

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Speaker 1: Like if he won New York, he should just immediately announce,

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Speaker 1: like the next day, because I don't I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he would win per se, But like, damn, it

706
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Speaker 1: would be interesting.

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Speaker 2: It really I think he would really happen. He's just talented.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's good, he's smart, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, political sense, Yeah, I like it.

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Speaker 1: And but he knows people know.

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 6: I don't like.

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you Zoron and I would not get along.

714
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Speaker 1: But but it's like I have to respect I.

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Speaker 4: Have to people like that.

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Speaker 2: Like if you met him personally, I guarantee you actually

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Speaker 2: would get along.

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Speaker 6: I mean him on he was great, we were he

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Speaker 6: was easy to talk.

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Speaker 1: There's a there's a cultural element here that people aren't

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Speaker 1: reading into.

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Speaker 4: I'm joking, bringing his cultural baggage to the table here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I respect him as a politician.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Emily, we go ahead with any of that, and

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Speaker 2: then we can we can actually skip ahead to a

726
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Speaker 2: little bit of zor On stuff and then come back

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Speaker 2: to the Epstein stuff because there is a bunch of

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Speaker 2: let me, let me play this saw of Dean Phillips,

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Speaker 2: why don't we do that saying that there's no room

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Speaker 2: in the party for both him and Zoron, which is

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Speaker 2: just like very self defeating on a lot of levels.

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Speaker 4: So let me go ahead and let's take of this.

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Speaker 12: The current DNC chair Ken Martin Fellow Minnesota use used

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Speaker 12: you as an example in saying the party is a

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Speaker 12: big ten they can welcome people from from different ideological,

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Speaker 12: geographic perspectives. I think he used the example of you

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Speaker 12: couldn't win a race in ilhan Omar's district and she

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Speaker 12: couldn't win a race in yours. Is there a room

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Speaker 12: for you and Mamdani in the Democratic Party?

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Speaker 10: You know?

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Speaker 11: I think it's a It's a fine question. I think

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Speaker 11: it's one that many Republicans been asking about whether there's

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Speaker 11: room for traditional conservatives and a party now led by

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Speaker 11: mega Republicans like Donald Trump. The answer, ultimately, I think

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Speaker 11: is no. We do share many of the same values.

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Speaker 11: In fact, most Americans share a lot of the same values.

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Speaker 11: But as a political party, yes, you want diversity, you

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Speaker 11: want some differences of opinion, perspective, life story, politics, and experience.

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Speaker 11: But when you have socialists. When you have socialists in

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Speaker 11: the Democratic Party, I don't know how anybody could argue

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Speaker 11: that that would be beneficial for the party or for

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Speaker 11: the country. There in lies the great challenge, same thing

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Speaker 11: on the right, Omar is mega the future of the

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Speaker 11: Republican Party. If it is, there is going to be

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Speaker 11: a new, grand, successful third party in America because the

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Speaker 11: overwhelming majority of Americans want neither far left or far

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Speaker 11: right politics. They want decency, they want common sense, competency,

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Speaker 11: and cooperation, and no party right now is elevating candidates

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Speaker 11: who represent those ideals.

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Speaker 2: I saw people sharing this with the news clip about

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Speaker 2: the time that Dean Phillips showed up at an event

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Speaker 2: and literally no one was there, combined with the video

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Speaker 2: that Zora and just put out where he's trying to

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Speaker 2: record one of his trademark videos and he's just being

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Speaker 2: mobbed for like selfies and like, oh my.

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Speaker 4: God, I love you, I voted for you, You're the best.

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Speaker 2: Let me get a selfie, let me you know, so

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Speaker 2: in any case which direction Democratic Party, But.

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Speaker 5: I mean, so he is he just said something that

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Speaker 5: is so true, and I have to defend Dean Phillips

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Speaker 5: on this point, which is that neither party is putting

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Speaker 5: forward candidates that respond to what people actually want. This

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Speaker 5: I am sorry to do this again, Sager, but you

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Speaker 5: also made this point when you were talking about the

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Speaker 5: America Party, which oh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about yesterday on the show.

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Speaker 5: Which is yeah, but this is exactly They always think

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Speaker 5: that the third Party is the third way party, right,

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Speaker 5: that it's the party of austerity and compromise and centrism.

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Speaker 5: But what people actually want is very different than what

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Speaker 5: any type of billionaire elite Dean Philip sort of a

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Speaker 5: NEPO baby thinks that actually they need that what voters

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Speaker 5: actually want, So it's not responsive to what people actually want.

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Speaker 2: Here's my other thing is like, you know, he's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: he's a socialist, so that's not compatible. I really I'm

786
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Speaker 2: trying to get an interview with Tom Swazi, who has

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Speaker 2: like a similar Zoran critique.

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Speaker 4: I really want to ask him.

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Speaker 2: Okay, which of these policies do you find to be

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Speaker 2: completely out of bounds that you can't even exist in

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Speaker 2: the state, Like, okay, put the label aside. Who cares

792
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Speaker 2: what he calls himself? Is it the free buses which

793
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Speaker 2: are supported by like seventy percent of New Yorkers. Is

794
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Speaker 2: it free and affordable daycare, which is like also wildly popular?

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Speaker 6: Is it?

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Speaker 2: You know, the rent freeze on already rent controlled apartments?

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Speaker 2: Like what is it that is so outrageous? Is it

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Speaker 2: five publicly owned grocery stores? Like what are we talking

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Speaker 2: about here? That's so crazy that you can't exist in

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Speaker 2: the same party.

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Speaker 4: And we all know what.

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Speaker 2: The real answer was, is is real? Or if Zorn

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Speaker 2: had the right answers on Israel? Dean Phillips wouldn't have

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Speaker 2: an issue, a bunch of the Kirsten Gillibrand wouldn't have

805
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Speaker 2: an issue. Richie Torres wouldn't have an issue. All these people,

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Speaker 2: John Fetterman, we're so panicked and upset because he's a socialist.

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Speaker 4: Now it's not about him being a Zodia.

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Speaker 5: They exist alongside Ilhan Omar and AOC.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, you are upset because he wouldn't back down

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Speaker 2: with your lull you know, oh, well, does Israel have

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Speaker 2: a right to exist as a Jewish state? And he's like,

812
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Speaker 2: how about a state with equal rights? Or you know

813
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Speaker 2: that he supports bds, or that he didn't back down

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Speaker 2: when they asked him, which is not even something he

815
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Speaker 2: said like, hey, how about globalize the end to fada?

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Speaker 2: Will you condemn this language? And he's like, no, here's

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Speaker 2: where it comes from. And I'm not in the business

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Speaker 2: of word policing. The fact that he wouldn't bend at

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Speaker 2: all on any of those things when he was pressed

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Speaker 2: and like under fire, that's what they actually it's not

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Speaker 2: the free buses, like they don't like that. So but

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Speaker 2: it's not that. It's not that it is Israel and

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Speaker 2: Dean Phillips cannot see him self existing in the same

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Speaker 2: party as someone who says everyone should have equal rights

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Speaker 2: within Israel and the status quo is apart tid and

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Speaker 2: this is a genocide and it's unacceptable.

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Speaker 1: That's why it's just so Propolan. You know, I had

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Speaker 1: high hopes for Dean, as people remember, because Dean had

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Speaker 1: an opportunity. Uh no, for real, he was the Cassandra

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Speaker 1: on Biden's age. He could have played that well. He

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Speaker 1: could have done the Obama two thousand and two thing

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Speaker 1: where he's like, I was the only guy who came

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Speaker 1: and spoke out against the war when it wasn't popular.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that was that's credibility, you know, even whenever

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Speaker 1: it didn't nobody cared about Obama's speech at the time.

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Speaker 1: Is a state senator, who was he even talking about

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Speaker 1: Iraq for But that's political talent, that's political entrepreneurship. And

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Speaker 1: Dean is independently wealthy. You know, he could have finance ered,

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Speaker 1: you know, played it into something different. But unfortunately, since then,

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Speaker 1: he's become like a weird like Elon fanboy and then

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Speaker 1: you know, he was like anti Biden, but now you know,

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Speaker 1: trying to defining himself on the axis of Israel, and

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Speaker 1: it's like, dude, like that's just not that that's not

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Speaker 1: what the base wants or needs right now, you know,

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Speaker 1: not only in terms of the Democratic Party, but that's

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Speaker 1: not where the political future is if you're like looking

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Speaker 1: at the tide. So it's actually very unfortunate for somebody who,

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Speaker 1: I think, if he played his cards differently, had a

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Speaker 1: real opportunity. But I mean, maybe it just shows even

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Speaker 1: his run against Biden wasn't really about you know, principle

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Speaker 1: or whatever, Like it wasn't like it was just a

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Speaker 1: vanity campaign at the time, which well, let's kind of sad.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's take the cynical read on it and keep

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Speaker 5: playing with that thread that cynically, he was smart enough

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Speaker 5: to see where the wind was blowing.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he's from Minnesota.

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Speaker 5: You talk to normal people in Minnesota a year and

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Speaker 5: a half ago and they were like.

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Speaker 6: Hey, is the president dead right?

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Speaker 5: And so he was at least smart enough and like

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Speaker 5: understood that it would age well. Uh No, pun intended

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Speaker 5: to question the president's health, that like that there would

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Speaker 5: be a reckoning on that. What it shows now is

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Speaker 5: that he's he's not smart or either smart enough or

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Speaker 5: willing to see where the window's blowing on this particular issue.

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Speaker 6: With the base.

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you what I firmly believe happened with

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Speaker 2: Dean Phillips because we interviewed him multiple times. I have

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Speaker 2: interviewed him on KKF, we interviewed him on breaking points.

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Speaker 2: When he first got in against Biden, he realized that

871
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Speaker 2: the opening was to the left. And so even though

872
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Speaker 2: he'd just been like a run of the mill voting

873
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Speaker 2: for Biden's agenda, like very centrist politician, he moved himself

874
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Speaker 2: to the left. And remember he talked about like I

875
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Speaker 2: had these conversations and I realized we need to be

876
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Speaker 2: more economically populist. And then when it came to Israel.

877
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Speaker 2: That was just like, you know, that was a place

878
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Speaker 2: he was not willing to go. And I had some

879
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Speaker 2: pretty like you know, heated exchanges with him over exactly that.

880
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Speaker 2: And I think that the Israel position has really kind

881
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Speaker 2: of driven an increasing like right wing shift from Dean

882
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Speaker 2: Phillips because and this is something you see happen all

883
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Speaker 2: the time. It's like this is one issue that's like

884
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Speaker 2: central to his identity. Sees the people that he's aligned with,

885
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Speaker 2: they're more on the right, and it is just like

886
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: any semblance of oh I'm going to become more progressively,

887
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: all of that is gone because it's all sort of

888
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Speaker 2: being driven by his commitment to Israel. And you see

889
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 2: this with like, you know, Fetterman, Richie Torres, various a

890
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: lot of characters on the right who see their unwillingness

891
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Speaker 2: to give any credence to Palestinian's right to like exist

892
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Speaker 2: and live. They see that as like they're standing up

893
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: to the woke mob, and that becomes sort of like

894
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: core to their identity. And so you know, that's how

895
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Speaker 2: you end up in this place where you think you're

896
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Speaker 2: being a renegade by literally towing the line of the

897
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Speaker 2: Trump administration. The Biden administration, like Apak, you know, all

898
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Speaker 2: of these very powerful, well organized entities, and you think

899
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Speaker 2: somehow you're being a renegade, but that really is. I

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Speaker 2: think that is exactly the trajectory that played out with

901
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Speaker 2: Dean Phillips, where he started off thinking, oh, I need

902
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Speaker 2: to get to the left, and then it just ran

903
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Speaker 2: into the Israel wall and his whole political identity sort

904
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Speaker 2: of shapes and forms around that.

905
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Speaker 6: Also a good example of the first.

906
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Speaker 5: I'm missing missing the vibes. Yeah, they think that, like

907
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Speaker 5: the the khalil Os Turk stuff, at least at the

908
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 5: time they thought it was playing well.

909
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Speaker 1: I know, I talked to them about it. Yeah, oh yeah,

910
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I talked to them about it. I said,

911
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: what the fuck do you think you guys are doing?

912
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Speaker 1: I said, do you just not understand like the disconnect

913
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: that's happening here? And they're like, oh, you're out of touch.

914
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Speaker 1: You know, you've been spending too much time with her.

915
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: I said, all right, you know, we'll see, we'll check in.

916
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Speaker 1: That's that's always what I say. And uh blow and behold.

917
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Speaker 2: Uh.

918
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Speaker 1: You know, it's so funny because you know, three years ago.

919
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Speaker 8: They like, hey, man, can I get Joe Rogan's number, Andrew.

920
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, yeah, it's like, you know,

921
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Speaker 1: maybe some of us know a little bit about where

922
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 1: things go, but uh, look they don't listen. They're they're

923
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 1: huffing up fo. Trump is actually more addicted to Fox

924
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: today than at any time before. That's what I hear, really,

925
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: and it is. It's crazy actually because he has to

926
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Speaker 1: be brought like printouts of people's tweets who disagree with it.

927
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Speaker 1: That's kind of how he keeps up with like Laura

928
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: Lumer or any of these other people. That's because people

929
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Speaker 1: will print these things out and they'll kind of show him.

930
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Speaker 1: That's the extent to which he engages with the online world.

931
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Speaker 1: And it's just so funny because yeah, he doesn't know.

932
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Speaker 6: Stuff he does not know. Yeah, ja exact reason.

933
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Speaker 1: JD and the rest of them can't be forgiven on

934
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Speaker 1: this because they're actually online there by the way, they're

935
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Speaker 1: probably more online than that I am or the rest

936
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Speaker 1: of them, Like they are, they do and so for them,

937
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: it's like I just don't get, you know, where a

938
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 1: lot of this cope and stuff comes from and how

939
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: they think that people are just gonna sit there and

940
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Speaker 1: take it, especially they really believe that these podcast guys

941
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: were like useful idiots that they could just like sit

942
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: and glaze them. And you know, I've already watched basically

943
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: all of them turn in some way. I don't know

944
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: if you guys saw, like theo Vonne in an episode

945
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 1: after JD was on, he was like, yeah, I really

946
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: hated his answer on Palenteer or something. I was like, wow,

947
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, I mean you could see it, like all

948
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: of them are starting to get like this kind of

949
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: like gross vibe. And you know, look these there at

950
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like they rose independently and

951
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: they have independent income streams. They're not mainstream media. They

952
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: don't care about the connections to a certain extent or access,

953
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: and they thought it was cool to have Trump on

954
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: and that's mostly what it was really all about. And

955
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: so you know, you can only like take them and

956
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: take advantage of him. I guess, like so many times before,

957
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: they're like yeah, man, like I really don't like a

958
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that you're doing. And I think

959
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: that's really starting to permeate in the call. I mean,

960
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: Tucker is another example. I mean, you know, it's like

961
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Speaker 1: that's there's the most critical comments you probably ever hear,

962
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, I just put all that stuff together

963
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: and I see things just blown in a very very

964
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: different direction. But the White House, it cannot be emphasized enough.

965
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: Like Emily said, they think this is they're on cloud nine,

966
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: like they are, like, we are winning. It's never been better.

967
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: The Epstein thing is a blip, you know. Anybody not

968
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: on the team is just a loser, you know, panic

969
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: in whatever. The polls are fake. And I'm just like, okay,

970
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: I mean maybe that's a good transition to Canada. Crystal

971
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: about to slap you know, I mean, this is insanity.

972
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: This is that was the lowest in terms of his

973
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: economic approval was during the Mexico Canada tariff war. He's like, oh, actually, yolo,

974
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Speaker 1: let's go right back to it. For what reason nobody knows.

975
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Speaker 4: Yeah, here we go.

976
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 2: Starting August first, we're gonna charge Canada tariff thirty five

977
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 2: percent on Canadian products sent into the US.

978
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Speaker 4: Still the ones that.

979
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 2: Are you know, part of the US Canada Mexico Trade

980
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 2: Agreement are exempted. But this is you know, an increase

981
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: from the previous terriffs that have been levied on Canada

982
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: and obviously comes in a week when some what like

983
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Speaker 2: twenty two countries just got likes of random tariffs slapped

984
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: on them. I don't know if you guys saw I

985
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 2: was just reading this morning the Vietnam. Vietnam was one

986
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 2: of two countries that we had a quote unquote deal with. Now,

987
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: neither of these, the other one being the UK. Neither

988
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: of these really was like fleshed out. But it was like, Okay,

989
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: we've got an outline of something that we can package

990
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: and concept to plan.

991
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly.

992
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 2: Now that the Vietnamese are like, you just put a

993
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 2: different terif on us than what we even had been

994
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: talking about, Like what the fuck we and now we're

995
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: not even agreeing with your concept of a theory of

996
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: a plan thing. What is going on? So yeah, I

997
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: mean it's just complete madness. And I think at this

998
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: point Wall Street is just priced in, like the taco trade,

999
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: you know, they're just like, ah, he's doing this. Now,

1000
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 2: next week it'll be off again. Who cares none if

1001
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: it's ultimately gonna matter, but at some point it's going

1002
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: to matter. At some point if you're just slapping fifty

1003
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Speaker 2: percent tariffs on Brazil and thirty five percent on Canada

1004
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: and this country in that country and whatever. At some

1005
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: point that adds up to having a real impact on

1006
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: the real economy and on mostly working class people who

1007
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 2: will be the ones who you know, disprepared portionately bear

1008
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: the burden of this.

1009
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that I think again they're misreading

1010
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: it in terms of because the way they look at

1011
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: the story, it's, oh, everybody panicked and the s and P.

1012
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: I mean, the Nasdaq closed it all time high right

1013
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: on Friday and videos at fortunate and they're like, see,

1014
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: we're totally vindicated. I'm like, guys, really vindicated because you taco,

1015
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: because you always back down, right, It's like, it's not

1016
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: because of yourlice. Way, yeah, by the way, keep going.

1017
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Speaker 5: But they would well, yeah, I was going to say, yeah, well,

1018
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 5: but I was gonna say that their argument is that

1019
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 5: the taco is the part of the taco is the strategy, because.

1020
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: What are we getting out of this nothing?

1021
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 6: Yes, I'm always say is that's what they would respond

1022
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 6: is like this.

1023
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Speaker 1: But that's what they said about Doge too, and then

1024
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: oh oops, low and behold it's like federal spending went up.

1025
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's like.

1026
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 5: What, well, I think on tariffs that they want to

1027
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 5: make this argument that there's and I'm honestly like sort

1028
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 5: of torn about this argument that there's a long term

1029
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 5: it's it's bigger than what's happening on any individual week,

1030
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Speaker 5: that it's you know, big restructuring that's in the process.

1031
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 5: But we're now that what was it April second Liberation

1032
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 5: Day and nothing to Chrystl's point, nothing is really on

1033
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 5: the books except for UK Vietnam one not looking so good,

1034
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 5: China one up in the air, and they are back

1035
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 5: to exactly where they were the week of April second,

1036
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 5: which is Scott Bessett going on all of the shows

1037
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 5: and saying, trust us, the phones are ringing off the

1038
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 5: fuck there will be deals on deals and deals in

1039
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Speaker 5: the next couple of weeks.

1040
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

1041
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, they keep saying this stuff.

1042
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Speaker 1: I don't think that it connects. I think a lot

1043
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: of people are I think a lot of people on

1044
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: the economic front, I still think that they really don't

1045
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: quite get like the discontent that they successfully were able

1046
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: to seize upon. I mean, remember, you know what did

1047
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: the Biden people say, Oh, they look at the S

1048
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 1: and P five hundred, look at GDP. Inflation is going

1049
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,479
Speaker 1: down and it's like, guys, that's not what actually any

1050
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: of it was all about. And now they're basically in

1051
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: the same position as to why, you know, things are

1052
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: posedly good. So I mean, look, every president does it

1053
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: to a certain extent, but I don't know, you know,

1054
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Speaker 1: it's just galling, like when you run against these types

1055
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: of things and then you basically become the same type

1056
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Speaker 1: of creature who's like, oh, but look at the NASDAC

1057
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, well, obviously if in video stock correlated,

1058
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Speaker 1: you know, with US wages, like, that's not exactly where

1059
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: we would be right now, would it.

1060
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 5: Well, and they're they're counting, they're counting on the sort

1061
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 5: of industrial policy which they don't want to call it

1062
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Speaker 5: that in the BBB that's now passed. So the write

1063
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Speaker 5: offs like retroactive to January for expensing, manufacturing, building, all

1064
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 5: of those things, and that's another thing that they need

1065
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 5: to see, like in the next couple of months, significant

1066
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Speaker 5: proof of concept.

1067
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Speaker 11: I agree.

1068
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 4: All right, let's go ahead and wrap the free portion

1069
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Speaker 4: of the show here. We're going to talk some more

1070
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Speaker 4: about Epstein.

1071
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Speaker 2: We got Israel stuff, and we will we will get

1072
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Speaker 2: to Bill Ackman for sure.

1073
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Speaker 4: In the premium version.

1074
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Speaker 2: So if you want to get the full Friday Show,

1075
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Speaker 2: subscribe at Breakingpoints dot com and for premiums, that part

1076
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