WEBVTT - Better Offline CES 2025: Day 1 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:07.440 Also media, Hello and welcome to Better Offline live from 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:10.280 beautiful Las Vegas, Nevada. I am your host and most 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:25.000 punished man ever to walk this earth, Edward Zitron. I 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.360 live here, I live other places too, and I am 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:29.560 joined by an incredible crew. This is going to be 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:33.360 a week long extravaganza, roughly twelve and a half hours 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:35.360 of What I want to say is radio, but I 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:39.160 just mean the detritus of society and great reporters coming 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:44.000 here and reporting live ish from the largest consumer electronics 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:47.000 show I think in the world. And I just have 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:49.800 an incredible crew tonight. I have Robert Evans, of course, 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:51.440 the famous podcaster. 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:54.920 Representing the detritus section of the team. 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.960 Yes, yes, and Gar Davis of course. 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:04.080 Representing the i uh the lower southeast of the United States. 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:08.560 I am, of course representing the perverts and ed Ongueiso Junior, 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.319 one of my two wonderful reporters who were joining with 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.520 me this entire week. Ed thank you so much for 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:16.880 coming here, Thanks for having me. Okay, so why are 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:18.520 we doing this and what are we doing? So? I 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:21.039 want to walk you through what the experience is like. 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.640 We are sat in a recess level of the Venetian Hotel. 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:25.200 In the other room is a full bar that we 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:27.360 set up just for people to come in. Our guest, 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:31.120 Robert Gere ed Mattasowski, a wonderful producer, and we're going 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:33.200 to be doing this life to tape all week. This 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:35.720 is going to be basically a tech radio show about 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.200 a show that has no heart and no soul, a 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:42.720 show that, as Gere correctly said earlier, is basically the 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.200 same show as a year ago. Except a year ago, 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:48.760 I was a terrified baby. I had just got handed 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:51.640 the sword of podcasting. I was afraid of the microphone. 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:54.920 Now the microphone is afraid of me. And the important 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:57.480 thing is is that I brought everyone together not just 0:01:57.520 --> 0:01:58.840 to talk to you about this show, but I want 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:02.240 to give everyone a temperature check of this fucking hellhole. 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:05.600 Because what happens is reporters come here every year and 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:08.040 they kind of walk in like they have to visit 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.960 their racist uncle, except their racist uncle doesn't say racism. 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:15.000 He says artificial intelligence every fucking year, and generally everyone 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:17.960 here feels kind of miserable. I refuse to have that 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.160 for my people. I refuse to have that for anyone 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:22.239 in my orbit. So I set up a week long 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:24.240 piss up where we talk about technology with people who 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:25.919 actually know what the hell they're talking about and care 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:30.080 about it. So, yeah, welcome to the Consumer Electronics Show. 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.040 Gare Robert. You have actually seen things today though we 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:34.880 ed and I only just got in today. What have 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:36.520 you seen? What horrors? 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:39.440 Today? I did five hours of back to back panels 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:44.760 official intelligence at the ARIA, and it was It included 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.600 a number of great moments, including an entire room full 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.600 of people, led by the folks on the panel, laughing 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.280 about people losing their jobs due to artificial intelligence? 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:55.400 So how did that happen? Like what were they laughing 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:55.800 at that? 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:58.280 The MC came up and she was like, Okay, I'm 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:00.200 gonna do some yes or no questions, and one of 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:02.160 them was there's going to be a lot of job 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:05.320 losses due to AI. And like the the I can 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:07.960 actually pull up who they were from. But like there 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.000 was an initial attempt to be like, no, well it'll 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:13.200 just be like job job the changes in the way 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:15.520 jobs are lost, and then someone was like, no, there's 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:17.520 gonna be a lot of job losses, and everybody started 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.519 cackling in the entire room. It was like one of 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:23.720 the most ghoulish experiences I had. I've had here. I've 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.040 got the audio cued up, so we'll listen to it. 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:29.160 We can loop that in that that's fucking disgusting. 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:33.200 Yeah, it was pretty vile. And then there was there 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.080 was a great moment where like the first panel I 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:40.760 did today was about uh like AI using AI in Hollywood, 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.320 And so the founder of that company's secret level that 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:47.040 does like video game themed videos on Netflix and stuff 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:51.600 Amazon Prime Video, Amazon Prime Sorry, sorry Jesus Rob, but 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:53.640 he was also one of the team members behind that 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:57.680 all AI Coca Cola Christmas ad that everybody fucking hated. 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:59.800 Which I did not realize until you made that connection 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:01.320 from me that it's it's those guys. 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:02.960 So if you love those visuals. 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:04.960 Yeah wait wait, So it was the actual company with 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:05.200 the coke. 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:07.720 I mean, there were three companies, but his company was one. 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.920 It took three companies to make the greatest piece of 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:13.080 art what's made? 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:16.479 And I don't know what they were doing because he 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:18.960 came up to show videos that he had just made 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:22.919 by like inputting text into an automatic image generator, like 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:25.560 little movies that he'd made, which also looked like shit, 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:29.560 but looked exactly as good as the fucking Christmas ads. 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.800 I'm like, what were all those companies doing a fucking 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:33.599 Christmas ad? 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:34.640 Laundering money? 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:39.760 Yeah yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, this sounds yeah, this cost 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:42.600 fifty million dollars. Yeah no, no, no, we can't do accounting 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:47.240 due to stuff. I wonder how much frauda is like 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:48.960 that in AI at this but look how many just 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:51.280 guys exist for like yal do your AI integration and 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.360 they just dick around for three months and then they 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:54.279 connect chat JPT. 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.360 I'm sure it was still cheaper than like the traditional 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.920 coke things, but I'm sure there's a lot. 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:03.120 I'm not sure that's even true anymore, Like they don't 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:03.480 get a. 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.080 Real polar bear, Like no, they certainly they don't. Like 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:07.960 if they did that, maybe even then I don't think 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.400 it would be as expensive, And it definitely wasn't. It 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:13.520 was definitely not cheaper on the actual AI side, because 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.240 news came out a couple day or two ago that 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:20.240 apparently the two hundred dollars a month chat GPT subscription 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.560 loses the money. And this is the thing. This is 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:25.640 where we are in the tech industry at this point. 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:28.080 We're in this world where we're meant to get extremely 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.200 erect over the idea of a Coca Cola ad that 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:33.520 looks like it was from made by the same people 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.360 as the black Hole Sun video. And then we're meant 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.120 to also look at like the apps we use and 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:40.159 they fucking suck. And then we commit to CS and 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:41.880 they're like, you know what's going to happen next year, 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:43.839 the exact same thing that we have. 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:44.279 Nothing. 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:46.240 It's there's AI in an oven. 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.360 I think, oh, I'm very exciting, and and a grill. 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:52.400 There's a grill that has an LM integrated into it. 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.200 Okay, the most exciting thing is that it it only 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.480 gets smarter, It's only going to get better. 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.680 Oh, that's what Jason from Secret Level said. He played 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:04.599 a video of like a bank heist chase where the 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:06.359 main character, every time it cut back to him, he 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.760 was dressed differently and his face. At one point, he's 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.279 so sick. He's just driving down a normal city street, 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:15.120 but there's randomly fires every thirty feet in the road 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.680 because the AI just hallucinated them. Yes, at a certain 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:20.760 point he crashes and he's on the run from the cops, 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:22.719 and every time it cuts back to the cops chasing him, 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.560 there's more or less cops from scene to scene. 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:27.200 This is that's the most realistic. 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:33.039 But union rules they got a fifteen minute break. 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.679 Listen, it took us fifteen million dollars when we redid 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:39.159 a six star chase and grand the no, someone said 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:43.240 it wasn't overtime, and they were like, oh, I got 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:43.960 the paperwork. 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:44.440 No. 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.720 When we were in Chicago running away from police, if 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:49.680 you turned the wrong corner, there would be more or 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.520 less cops and what you thought, So, hey, you know 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.320 you gotta give him maybe maybe maybe the benefit of 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:56.640 the death. 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:57.919 Would I want to see. 0:06:57.960 --> 0:06:59.320 You have qualified immunity for that? 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.000 Because he was was emphatic that, like all I did 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:06.200 was read a script into it. Was like this, just 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.560 put it. This is unedited, you know from that. And 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:11.080 so what they really want to do is put the 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:14.320 script to Heat into one of these things. Just see 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.200 what that what the big gun fight from Heat looks 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:19.440 like in this? Does it have that? 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:23.760 Michael, I'm trying to think of what I put into it, 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:25.960 Like the Boris Balkan scene from the end of the 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:28.440 Ninth Gate where he's setting himself on the fire. I 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.840 would I would love to see what they're gonna do. 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:32.200 But they also like. 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:35.360 About how about antichrist? I've never seen they do that. 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:40.280 The end of kids moving. 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:46.240 Let's just run that through. See what ESPT makes of it. 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.320 This is their favorite lie though they're like, oh yeah, 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.720 it's just as symbol as a prompt. Even the cokead that, like, 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.400 we have an editor, we have an editor, we have 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.480 a separate colorist. Because it looks like ship and also 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.160 probably looks completely different. This is the slot they want 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:00.560 to give us. 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:04.160 And they're absolutely like hiring like Vick effects like clean 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.440 up artists to like touch up all all of those 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.640 visuals to make them like in any way publishable. 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.600 The colors were completely fucked on this, he complained, because 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:14.840 all of the comments on this video, which had, by 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:16.720 the way, for this company the big thing he was, 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.080 every one of the room clapped when they played these things. 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:21.520 I looked on YouTube. The best of them had like 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:25.160 fifty thousand views, like like someone, we're just like five 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:28.960 or six thousand, and the color grade. Everyone in the 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:30.640 comments is like, the colors on this look like shit. 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.960 His clothing changes, and Jason like referenced that and is like, yeah, 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.079 I know people had the complaint, but come on, guys, 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.880 this is the worst it's ever gonna look like that line. 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:40.079 That's all here. 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:43.840 I keep seeing. This is the dumbest chatchy BT is ever. 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:44.840 Gonna take a shot. 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:49.839 Yeah, I love that. That's also their defense. Yeah, they're like, hey, it. 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.960 Sucks, yeah all us, it's all uphill from here. 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:56.600 Like we've all lived through the last eight years. If 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.880 there's one thing everyone knows, it's that things only get. 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:02.760 Well. 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:06.640 My shadow theory is because I got open ayes a 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:10.160 one model to do typos. I hope this is not 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:12.080 really something I've proven in any way, And indeed the 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.280 academics of us about it have not returned my emails 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.559 due to woke and it's the I saw typos and 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:20.720 I'm hoping that model collapse is happening. I hope they've 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:24.040 fed the synthetic data into it, destroying these models, because 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.079 that would actually be the funniest and dumbest way that 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:30.000 chat GBT just starts like going on the fritz, because 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.160 that's what model collapse. Just for listeners who don't know, 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:34.520 you go back to March. You should have been listening 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:36.280 to all the episodes. You go, I'm not my fault. 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.920 Model collapse is when you feed instead of real training 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:42.440 data from real human being, synthetic stuff created by another model. 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:46.800 The problem is that human beings are magnificent creatures, very strange. 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:49.440 Our fuck ups are actually quite hard to recreate. Those 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.080 fuck ups are important for informing things like how words 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:55.839 and logic are created. So if you have a synthetic version, 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:58.040 there is something that no one really understands that fucks 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:00.840 the whole thing up. Anyway, they are currently feeding synthetic 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.720 data into all of these models, so what I'm hoping 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:05.320 is it focks them up big time, because that would 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:07.040 be the funniest thing because there's no fixing it. 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.960 There was a comment like that, and I think it was, uh, 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.959 let's see which one of these. Uh, I just want 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:22.240 to make sure I'm getting that AI Cinematic Spatial and 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:26.679 x R, which was which was about XR is extended Reality. 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.200 And there was a comment from I think it was 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:34.000 Rebecca Barkin, but I may be wrong about that. It 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:35.520 was it was one of the people on the panel. 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.160 It might it might have been a Katie Henson, but 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:40.440 like something on the lines of, hey, we're still going 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:42.520 to need human beings to be making stuff because like 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:44.679 otherwise there won't be anything to feed into the models 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:48.560 like they were. I forget exactly who it was. Like 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:52.000 that was like something I like underlined in my notes 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.480 of the panel is like, okay, so you you know 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:55.680 what you're doing. 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:59.040 It's also cool that like the point of humans is 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.520 to have is like make things to feed into a model. 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.280 That's yeah, that's all that matters, is that as long 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.160 as we can feed the model, that's fine. That's it's 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:08.400 the only value we have. 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:10.840 Here for the market, and you're here for the model. Yeah, 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:12.120 it was the most important thing. 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:15.000 And what's important to know as well, is anyone saying 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.560 that is not thinking too odd about it because they 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.839 need more training data than exists. Yes, like five to 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.959 fifteen times they don't have it. We're in the stupidest 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.599 fucking era ever. There's a power like a pad of 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:28.680 where people like, huh, wouldn't it be cool if a 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:30.960 bunch of people lost their jobs they should turn into 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:32.280 that scene from Kingsmen. 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.200 Yeah, like that's exactly what I thought. 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:40.160 Oh, I can change And it's like, this is one 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:41.520 of the reasons that I really wanted to pull this 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:45.199 together as well, because ces I don't think the WAYCS 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:48.840 has been covered traditionally, and actually Garon Robert really opened 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:50.840 my eyes to list last year because I've been avoiding 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.240 panels for the twelve odd years i've been at CES. 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:57.520 It's it's easily the best way to see what kind 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:00.880 of brainworms are going around because people up there just taught, 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.839 and that no one expects to be challenged or there 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:06.520 to be anyone in the room who's not completely taking 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:07.160 the kool aid. 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:11.880 But what's insane is even on the floor. I hadn't 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:13.800 looked at it properly. I'd always been like, I'm just 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.480 here because I have clients here. So to explain the 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:18.599 history of this, I've got the bar, I've got the 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.880 suite previously Ashugh's with my dear friend Kevin Roposo works 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:25.480 at easypr otherwise not mentioned the agency again. We would 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:27.080 have this suite just kind of network with people who 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:28.839 have clients journalists, and we stopped doing it off the 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:30.880 COVID just because it was a lot of fucking money 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.199 for just to piss up, which is always fun. However, 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:36.080 the way I used to look at the show was 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:37.880 just like this is all I almost like took it 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:39.960 in good faith. I was like these people wouldn't spend 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.480 one hundred thousand dollars in a booth where they're lying, well, 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:47.400 wouldn't you know? And since I started doing better offline, 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.120 and I was truthfully a bit scared when with you 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:51.680 too last year, I was a bit freaked down. Now 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.520 I'm not very excited, but also I was just flat 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:56.640 out wrong about big Tech. I thought they I really 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.040 at that point was just like, look, Facebook's evil, met 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:02.079 as evil. But you know they have something that they get, 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.720 something like Google, same deal. They never do something really 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:09.160 fucking stupid again and again, and they would and everyone 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:12.040 here would. And there are things that are at cos 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.280 every year that never get made. If the please, if 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:18.800 anyone sees the laundry folding robom, that's what. 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:22.959 If you see them, Yes, vaporware stories, they. 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.800 Are like they have been here. I have been coming 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:28.720 to see yus since twenty eleven, and those motherfuckers have 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:31.200 been promising to fold my laundry ever since. 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:35.439 Yeah, twenty ten was my first year nice and I 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.280 think what keyed me into what was really going on 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:42.360 here was the best like the best product in showy 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:46.720 that won the award was the Motorola Droid, which was 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.120 not a functional product and did not exist on the 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:52.400 show floor. All they had was a just the plastic 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:54.840 model that was working. It was basically just a like 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:59.800 a digital photo case that was very running, like still 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.080 extream shots off the phone would look because Android was 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.240 still new at this point and it won Best in 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:08.320 Show and there were functional phones at the show that year. Yeah, 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.960 and so I remember sending to one of the editors 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:14.360 at tech Crunch like it I feel like a right, 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.480 you know, I'm new to this like tech reporting thing, 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:19.280 but it's see, this seems like do you not consider 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.560 this a real problem? This seems like a like a 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.920 serious issue, Like this isn't really journalism if like, yeah, 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:27.520 this is what's winning here because they didn't have a phone. 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:31.120 If they do, what's wrong with you? But it's true, though, 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.040 there is a general sense of like no, you just 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:35.360 why would you be mad at this? It doesn't exist. 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:36.080 It was the future. 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:37.680 Google has at their booth. 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:39.560 They brought us the future. How dare you? 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:40.280 Yeah? 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.080 And what's crazy is that's twenty ten. Today's tech meter 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.120 is slightly upgraded, and that some of them don't do 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.280 them and actually a lot of them are here. A 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:50.440 lot of the reporters here generally just feel tired when 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:52.120 I talk to them, and when you ask them what 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.720 their favorite about the show that, they're like, Oh, like 0:14:55.560 --> 0:15:00.000 the LG. I got this big monitor, big television. 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:01.480 I'm excited to see another. 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.720 I'm excited to see what new big curved TV LG. 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.320 And we're gonna build the biggest. It's gonna be the 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:11.440 most beautiful okay, with the most beautiful oie l O 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.040 L e eds I'm going. 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:19.640 But it's not what it's gonna be. But to be clear, 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:22.200 I love the big televisions. I love seeing big stupid 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:23.520 ship and I wish that was more of it. 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.080 At least the big televisions are television. 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:27.840 And exactly like you can't really, I guess you can 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.160 lie about like the specs and the monks and well that's. 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.040 Fun, son of a bitch Folds. I watched it. 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.040 I love all that dumb ship. 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:36.360 Why TV? 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:40.240 We have gotten so good at TV, we really have. 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:44.360 It's the only promise technology and it's it's. 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:46.440 Gonna watch you. It's gonna give you targeted at it's 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.640 gonna give you a chat thought, it's gonna beautiful. 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:50.800 My mate just brought a replacement for our TV like 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:55.080 an eighty five, And that's exciting because TV, like it's 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:57.760 one of those like what the fuck, how does this 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:01.000 the only thing that that came through? Yeah, just the. 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:05.320 Second Yeah it was not good. Great, it was good. 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:06.920 Was it like a C one? 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:08.080 No, it was. 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:09.960 It was like a dinosaur picture. 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:13.800 It was very it was it was very large. 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:17.080 And then I plugged it into my laptop then to 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:18.040 play my little game. 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:22.040 It was very large. The frame rate never quite worked properly. 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:26.360 All of all of the blacks like did not did 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.720 not show correctly. Everything was really crunched. Very good, very 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:34.640 very bad, very bad dynamic range, and it just slowly 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:36.880 got worse over the years. It's it's it's it's something 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:38.840 I'm still kind of confused by, Like what what. 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:42.520 What happened to River's TV? A little bit more? 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.640 A little bit, I swear, because every time, every time 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.560 I try to watch a movie, I have never. 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:50.520 Heard of a television started to decay. 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:55.160 No, this is actually becoming more more a thing. Although 0:16:55.200 --> 0:17:00.320 TVs have been getting better, the new TVs are making 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.800 faster interesting and this is something that I've noticed mostly 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:07.200 due to like my friends, consumer choices. Is like I 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:09.639 I have a TV that my friend gave to me 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:12.560 like maybe like ten years ago, and it's it's like 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.879 a it's like a tenned EPLG. It works great, movies 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.560 look good. It's not four K, but it's fine. And 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.320 he's gone through like three TV since then that have 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:24.320 all like broken right, They've all had like, they've all 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:27.000 had like better specs, they've all like looked really good, 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:28.960 and then every once in a while something just goes 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.439 like oddly wrong. And this has just become like a 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:37.479 new pattern with UH, with Panasonics, with LG's, with Sony TV's, 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:41.760 and although we are getting quite good at like making TVs, 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:45.000 I feel like their lifespan is kind of shrinking. And 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:46.879 maybe it's something that I want to like talk to 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:48.560 people at CS about. 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:52.240 Honestly, it sounds like consumer electronics in general. I mean, 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:55.119 my fucking iPhone's brand new, and even then it's fucking 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.320 up already. Yeah, this is early schedule. Shit, we usually 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.879 saved this bad boy for April. That's usually when the 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:04.320 obsolescence comes in. But now it's just my new favorite 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:07.920 thing that my fifteen hundred dollars fucking cell phone does 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:10.400 is when I try and add a song to a playlist. 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:12.679 I know it's an edge case. No one does that, 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.600 but I did that and it just crashes Apple Music. 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:19.320 Now I can only add it reasonable burden. 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:19.800 Yeah, I know. 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.080 Why wouldn't only got eight cores? 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:26.160 They only have a specialized piece of silicon in it 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:26.800 to make it work. 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:29.240 What sixteen gigs a RAM? You can't handle that on 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:30.240 sixteen gigs a RAM. 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:32.199 No, I need my fucking MacBook Pro to do that. 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:36.000 For my eight chrome types. I can have so format 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:39.640 change Edwon Graso Junior. Please introduce yourself. Tell everyone about 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:40.000 your work. 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:46.560 Okay, I am a tech writer. Write about tech. I 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:50.080 write about finance, or write about labor a Silicon Valley, 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:54.040 generally in anything that it's you know, tentacles touch. 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:56.840 Where'd you write? 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:03.639 I started advice, Freelance now magazine's news outlet. It's anywhere 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:05.960 that will let me rant apout Silicon Valley basically. 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.640 So I brought ed here because he wrote many great things. 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:11.800 But one of my favorite things is is kra Swisher piece. 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:15.800 It's a beautiful piece of right the burn book review 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:18.600 where you just really put the boots to her. But 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.119 I think c Yes is probably the most Swisher coded 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:24.040 event for a thing she's never been to, and I 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:26.560 think it's jarring for the same reason, and that everyone's 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:29.359 kind of just accepting a reality that isn't true but 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:32.600 pretending to care. And it's frustrating. And I'm glad you're 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:34.960 here to see this. This is your only ces, right, Yeah, 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:42.159 my first time. I'm very excited. Linda Yakarino. You're going 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:42.679 to listen to. 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:45.119 She's doing a s feeture. 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:48.600 She has she has the ex Corporation keynote tomorrow. 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:49.160 I eat. 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:52.359 Oh, I don't worry, Robert, I I already have it 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:53.200 in your schedule. 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:56.200 I'm so glad you make his schedules. 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:58.640 The thing, I don't bring guns to these things because 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:02.040 I would just myself, like have I just take care 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:03.840 of that problem in my hotel room. 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:05.879 Well, you don't look for half an hour going like 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:09.920 X is the place where it happens and that's the tea. Well, 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:12.520 I can't wait for you to hear Yakarino talk because 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:22.280 I'm she's a real yak Aino. Yeah. Sorry, but also 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:26.680 I'm looking forward to it because well, you're African American. Yeah, 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:28.760 and I truly do not know how they're going to 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:31.199 treat you on the floor. Yeah, I don't know how 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:32.040 they're going to act. 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:34.280 Yeah, I mean, do we think the school measures are 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:36.640 going to be out in force? For the ex offender. 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:38.800 There'll be a guy like really excitedly calling you over. 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:40.280 He's like, no, we got ai to do this now 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:42.960 and use my ray bands. 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.160 Oh, it's gonna it's gonna be interesting. I'm very I'm 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:49.440 also gonna be curious what the hell they're even talking about. 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:51.080 I'm trying to go in with as little info as 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:54.280 possible so I can take it in objectively without bias. 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:57.720 It's like watching Queer. You really just show ye, take 0:20:57.760 --> 0:20:58.399 it all it you know. 0:20:58.440 --> 0:20:59.440 I'm here for the journey. 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.160 Yeah, yeah, And I think that's important as well, because 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:04.399 that's exactly what I am here for. I want this 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:07.000 to be a journey. And there are multiple reporters joining us. 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:09.400 We have Jesse Farrah from Your Kickstarts as Sucks of course, 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:12.639 and David Roth of course, my second elf. That's what 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:14.920 I was calling them in my head, of the reporters 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:16.960 I hired, that's what I'm calling them now, the Elves. 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:20.720 David Roth of Defecta, a sports journalist, will be joining 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:22.960 us tomorrow and for the rest of the week other 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:25.520 than for our spa day on Saturday, which is very unfair, 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:30.600 very nasty. And right now, our bartender Phil Braun. Now 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:32.240 you're speaking to the microphone and say hello Phil. 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:33.240 Hello. 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:36.040 We will have a full rundown of Phil at some 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:39.240 point later in the week. But Phil has been joining 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:41.679 as the bartender here for years and he just handed 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:45.439 me some so tall, so tall. I'm saying this. 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:48.399 That's right, it's good. 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:52.080 I nailed that. It's kind of but that's the thing. 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:55.359 The whole point of this is journalists come here in 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:58.240 this oasis. This is the oasis in the middle of 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:00.479 the bullship. Because see, yes I was telling it earlier. 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:01.960 There is nowhere to sit down. 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:04.160 No, they always want you to moving. 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.120 They want you to keep on, keep on traveling through. 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:07.840 It's like a casino. 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:11.840 No, you can find place, plenty of places to sit 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:15.680 down in casinos. This horrible place is an insult to 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:19.719 our beautiful slot machines and our beautiful tables that we have. 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:21.680 And they'll get you a seat at the table. Don't worry. 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:24.600 Please come to my money. And Phil right now is 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:27.240 gesturing because Phil is our wonderful bartenderho is bringing us 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:29.399 drinks as the show goes, Probably not on the first 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:31.320 half episodes, definitely on the. 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:37.040 Second Paloma, Okay, can I get something with the kill? 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:41.480 Wow? I don't give that went flawlessly? Yeah, that was 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:44.560 that was an example of the bar working, but actually 0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:45.760 that is actually the bar working. 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:45.960 Well. 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:48.879 No. So the point of this week, though, is we 0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:51.200 want to be the oasis within a tech industry gone 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:53.840 wrong and a conference that's gone wrong. No one likes 0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:56.800 coming here to cover this. No one is excited, everyone's depressed. 0:22:57.000 --> 0:22:59.800 We will not be. We will be probably not, in 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:02.240 my case, sloppy, just in case the lawyers ask. But 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:05.159 everyone else can be. Well, the reporters we bring here. 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:09.320 We're gonna have two episodes each day, ninety episodes. Jesus 0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:13.720 Christ's already doing great, and it's gonna be a lot. 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:17.240 But I want to bring you diverse voices. I want 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:19.040 to bring you the people that have been here forever 0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:20.720 and the people who are just being exposed to this. 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:23.040 The reason we have Ed and David is we really 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:26.000 don't want this to be a fucking tech no offense 0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:27.359 to techn it. We don't want this to be a 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:29.679 tech reported thing. We actually want this to be a 0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:38.840 temperature check of this industry. 0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:45.080 You know that I always there's a lot to like 0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:48.000 roll my eyes out and be frustrated by. I always 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:51.119 really like CEES. And when Gear first started coming to this, 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:54.600 the way I explained your job at CEES as a 0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:57.440 good journalist is you are here to be a terrorist, 0:23:58.400 --> 0:24:02.120 find the richest asshole you can find and makes their day. 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:03.000 That is a joke. 0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:07.240 No, not in a legal sense, but in an emotional 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:13.680 terrorize there, harass them over something that overlies that they're talent. 0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:18.560 Well yeah, and like the the hive mind, like group 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:20.920 think mentality here is like crazy because you you will 0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:23.760 walk into a panel and you you will start hearing 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:26.359 people say like insane ship and you look around to 0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:29.280 be like ha ha ha, that's crazy, right, and everyone's 0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:33.280 like no, not a long enthusiastically, and it slightly makes 0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:34.560 you question your own sanity. 0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:38.680 Never once there was a complete certainty. 0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:41.240 Someone I would posted on Twitter the other day They're like, 0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:44.680 would you trust a clone of yourself? And everyone was 0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:48.760 like I wouldn't. I be like absolutely, it's we would 0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:52.600 fucking cook anyway. Complete certain But it's so weird though, 0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:54.920 You're right, and people walk around and like damn, really 0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:57.520 so the AI for my pant, how's that going to work? 0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:01.320 It's crazy, and it like because everyone is so bought 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:04.840 into it. If you make any objection during like any 0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:06.959 kind of like shocking, any kind of Q and a panel, 0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:12.600 like people like are so surprised. It's it's like it's 0:25:12.600 --> 0:25:15.200 like you're a heretic. It's it's it's it's it's it's insane. 0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:18.680 It's like you don't believe in like the project of humanity. 0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:20.639 Two of these people, it's like you don't believe in 0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:21.880 Santa Claus. 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:25.800 My sex wild one of these. When Rugged super Rugged 0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:28.560 speakers were like a massive product that you could find 0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:30.800 like half a dozen booths selling them. I would just 0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:32.720 go there and I would ask, can I can I 0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:34.600 test them out? Can I like drop them and stuff? 0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:36.800 And then I would pick up the heaviest object block 0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:38.880 because they usually had like flogs or something to post 0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:41.159 them on, and I would just break stuff on the 0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:45.240 show floor and it worked every time. They would always break, 0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:48.240 oh a bunch of stuff. And I learned that from 0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:50.360 we went to see a demo where they were they 0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:53.720 were showing off like an indestructible smartphone and they were 0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:56.360 doing it by like they pulled out all the journalists. 0:25:56.359 --> 0:25:58.040 I think we were in front of Caesar's palace and 0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:00.800 they were driving a limousine over the phone and then 0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:02.080 they would do it, and then the next troop of 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:03.840 journals would come up and they would let a journalist 0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:06.240 set it down. And I don't know who this was. 0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:07.760 I wish i'd gotten his name, because he taught me 0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:09.760 one of the best lessons I ever learned. They were 0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:12.640 laying the phones flat, and he just wedged it under 0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:15.240 the wheel on its side, and they just drove over 0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:15.960 just to stop it. 0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:19.480 Yeah, that's that's. 0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:20.240 Being a journalist. 0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:24.280 Yeah, but actually that's a very good metaphor for what's 0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:27.120 going on at the moment. Everyone's like, well, they say 0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:28.760 it works, we'll be fun. 0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:30.080 Would they lie about it? 0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:34.680 Why would they possibly lie about chat GPT becoming super intelligence? 0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:35.399 Do you hear that? 0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:39.360 Fucking Samuel? That motherfucker. He's not here. He's not here. 0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:42.399 This is, by comparison, this is pretty real stuff. Where's 0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:45.199 Sam Olman? He should be giving like a vacuous keynote 0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:46.880 about how this is going to replace doctors. 0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:47.920 He's doing the real work. 0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:50.640 He's doing the real work building by which he means 0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:53.080 trying to like leverage his his startup capital. 0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:55.639 As I read today, we're just thousands of days away from. 0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:01.919 That was said a few months ago, so we're actually 0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:03.320 about nine hundred and. 0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:06.840 That was a few thousand days. 0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:10.760 I love that, Honestly, I need to set a calendar 0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:14.520 invite for that. I need days from now, because I 0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:17.560 have Sam Worman's number and he is yet too. Takes 0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:17.960 me back. 0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:19.400 Oh I am. 0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:21.879 I am bummed that we haven't seen Palenteer here in 0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:24.040 recent years, because oh, they've. 0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:24.520 Seen you though I. 0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:28.800 Showed up. I can say this now. We showed up 0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:31.840 with a flipper zero and we're just turning off all 0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:35.520 of the televisions at the Pallenteer boo. They were doing demos. 0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:45.240 Oh oh, someone probably got fired about it. Actually know, 0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:50.440 someone was probably like, oh i'll fix this. No, someone 0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:53.600 did that one ces and they got in a lot 0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:56.199 of drops. Oh yeah, because they video themselves doing it, 0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:58.119 which is the classic thing you do with crime. 0:27:58.200 --> 0:27:59.760 Yeah, I remember that, which is why I did not 0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:01.960 about it except the shelf exactly. 0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:03.240 You put it on a podcast years later. 0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:03.959 Yeah, I approved. 0:28:03.960 --> 0:28:06.920 You did it once. Yes, I did try a bit 0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:09.640 three or four times before I started getting anxious, which 0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:11.439 was I would just pick up something and ask if 0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:14.560 I could have it, and just like picked up the 0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:14.800 edge of it. 0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:15.480 Can I have this? 0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:16.720 And they look at you and they're like. 0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:22.119 Like sometimes they say yes though, which is why you 0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:24.439 have to do it every lot of free sh You 0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:28.000 actually really can't surprisingly walk away with some really odd stuff. 0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:32.639 I bet they. Eventually a security person looked at me 0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:36.159 in a kind of like should I memorize this guy's face? Well, 0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:39.320 and I thought, I don't want to be arrested at 0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:43.360 fucking ces. No. My lawyer will just be like again. 0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:46.320 I'm not coming to your arraignment. Yeah, I know you're 0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:48.240 on your own bit. I know you're paid up, but 0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:49.040 I'm not doing you. 0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:52.760 Fucking work this out, smart guy. Yeah, well you pick up, 0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:54.760 pick up the judges gavel and ask if you can 0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:56.520 have this? Click fucking ydie. 0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:58.520 Well, speaking as a judge, that's very offensive. 0:28:58.560 --> 0:28:59.680 Are you you were judged? 0:28:59.760 --> 0:28:59.960 Yes? 0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:00.560 What? 0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:00.960 No? 0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:01.760 This is not good. 0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:04.440 This is a punicipal judge for the state of New Mexico. 0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:05.640 I got sworn in. I'm good. 0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:06.600 What the fuck? 0:29:06.720 --> 0:29:07.560 Right next door? 0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:12.560 Right next door, very high the border. A fan of 0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:14.640 mine is a judge and was like, did you know 0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:20.840 that judges can just make other judges? Like thing, I gotta, 0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:22.240 I gotta. 0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:25.320 You can make all of us judges. 0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:29.280 No, it's again, it's it's it's interview with the vampire rules. Okay, 0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:32.200 so the youngest vampire does not have the power to 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:35.840 make other vamps, and it's kind of unclear to me. 0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:36.800 Your mate does. 0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:39.680 Yes, yes, I's still the start of this situation. 0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:43.000 But I can't how do I become an older vampire though? 0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:45.000 Because you realize that my goal here is not just 0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:47.960 to become a judge myself, but start making more judges. 0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:49.800 That I don't know, because I have not looked up 0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:50.760 anything about Dodge. 0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:53.280 This would be all I'd look We got to ask 0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:56.160 the people this, but they have to know. 0:29:56.480 --> 0:29:58.880 I would get made to judge, and then the first 0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:01.760 thing I would be googling is how to make more judge, 0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:03.640 and I would be making those. 0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:05.720 Of your first five judges that you're making. 0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:08.480 I mean all of you other than Robert obviously, I 0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:10.640 would know. It would be like the entirety of cool 0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:12.360 Zone media. You make everyone judges. 0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:14.480 Yeah, and then we can all go We can all 0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:19.640 go to New Mexico and do a blood Meridian fuck yeah, yeah, 0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:21.880 well yeah, there was actually a lot of child if 0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:22.760 you send that guys back. 0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:25.880 So this is the format that you're going to have 0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:28.400 for the entire week with Better Offline. Because this is 0:30:28.440 --> 0:30:31.000 also something because after a year of doing this, I'm 0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:33.360 just trying everything, and I do think that Tech also 0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:35.480 kind of needs a talk show. And the reason I 0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:38.480 say that is Tech has got everything. It's got finance, 0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:41.400 it's got basically sports team shit. Do you like anthropic? 0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:43.720 Do you like open ai? And the thing is that 0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:47.840 really is like a let's think Cowboys jet situation, and 0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:51.480 that's gonna hurt someone's feelings. I'm very happy about that anyway, 0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:53.520 moving on from them, you've also got a bunch of 0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:55.360 gossip and you've got a bunch of shittheads that you 0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:57.520 can be pissed off at an actual, real events And 0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:00.880 I just think that nails. This format nail. And that's 0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:02.920 why I'm excited to start with all of you, because 0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:05.200 at the end of the first day, everyone feels a 0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:08.560 certain way dread for the rest of the week, sad 0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.400 about the horrible things they saw, or just wondering why 0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:13.640 they're doing the fucking job they're doing. They just no, 0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:15.920 none of us in this room. It's just very It's 0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:19.040 an interesting way when you talk to the tech media 0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:21.240 to see how they are doing, but also people who work. 0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:22.960 I wish I could get more people off the floor, 0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:25.320 but I don't want fucking companies on here. That would 0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:26.000 be so boring. 0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:30.520 How did you feel your first cushen and you're going 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:32.520 around on So I was just a child back then, 0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:33.920 I was twenty eleven. 0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:36.920 I can't do imagine. Yeah, when I was a young boy. 0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:39.000 That one. 0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:41.640 I have some stories I can't tell, but I was 0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:43.800 a young I was a young PR person and I 0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:46.719 loved it because it was like twenty eleven, so before 0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:49.840 we realized tech had problems, we were just like ignoring them. 0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:52.560 Well, and this was back to when the porn industry 0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:54.400 trade show was at the same time. 0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:55.719 How I was terrified for them. 0:31:56.160 --> 0:31:59.280 I watched Steve Balmer get out of a fucking h 0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:02.840 L elevator with two porn stars that were even taller 0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:04.640 than him, and he is massive. 0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:04.960 It was. 0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:08.040 It was amazing just from me. It was like watching 0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:11.680 Greek gods straight across the field. Yeah, the goad of 0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:15.800 sweat he did smell exactly like, yeah, you smoke crazy 0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:18.880 and I leaked that to another tech pub. 0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:25.240 Very that's fucking journalism, right, But my first used to 0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:28.320 be fun when I was stupid, when I was just like, oh, 0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:30.480 this will happen. And also twenty eleven there was still 0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:32.560 new lands to Conka. They still had new fun things 0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:34.640 to find, new things that they could make that they 0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:36.560 could actually make good on. I think it's been like 0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:38.600 five or six years of them just being like, we 0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:40.360 don't have it, there's nothing. 0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:41.080 That we've got, nothing else. 0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:42.400 It's it's like I was. 0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.160 So lucky that my first es the big thing was 0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:47.200 like crypto NFTs and. 0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:48.240 So like like. 0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:53.160 So one of the lasting industries I knew. 0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:55.720 Going into that, like everything I hear here, everything I 0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:57.200 hear in this convention is complete bullshit. 0:32:57.320 --> 0:32:57.480 Yeah. 0:32:57.600 --> 0:32:59.560 And then the next year I came, the big thing 0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:03.520 was the metaverse. So again everything I hear here is bullshit. 0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:05.920 Yeah. And you've just been able. 0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:07.640 To like slowly watch the life and drain from the 0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:11.680 people's eyes because they know, like every every year there's 0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:13.600 like this new thing that's supposed to be like the 0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:15.840 new thing, like this is this is what we have 0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:18.480 done as an industry, and it and it and like 0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:18.960 it doesn't. 0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:22.440 It doesn't work dry and and and it's. 0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:24.240 It's odd because like this year is the first year 0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:26.120 where there hasn't really actually been anything new. It's just 0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:28.400 it's the same as last year. It's just more AI 0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:29.280 stuff Again. 0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:31.920 I actually think twenty twenty four was pretty ahead of 0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:34.160 the pack. I was gonna say, this is this year. 0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:36.320 I keep seeing places be like, this is the year 0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:38.120 of agents. They're gonna show agents. 0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:40.120 They were talking about that a lot in panels. 0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:43.200 Yeah, the one thing I've seen in the panel list 0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:45.760 is like there's been a lot more integration for like 0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:49.040 content creators and like streamers, right, And even saw this 0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:50.840 with the Golden Globes a few days ago, how like 0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:54.040 they let tons of streamers and influencers onto the carpet 0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:57.560 for like the first time. And there's way more panels 0:33:57.560 --> 0:34:00.360 this year that's about like how do we like get 0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:03.760 this whole like streaming ecosystem that's like separate from like 0:34:03.880 --> 0:34:06.600 legacy media and even like legacy like tech media, Like 0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:08.920 how do we how do we get that into our sphere? 0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:10.520 And that was a big thing they talked about in 0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:13.760 my third panel, AI Cinematics, Spatial and XR the next 0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:15.560 level of creativity. 0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:17.120 I am putting a gun into that. 0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:22.759 They were specifically talking about how uh you know nowadays, 0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:26.040 like you know, individual creators can be as big as studios. 0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:27.840 And then someone of the panels like, well not really, 0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:29.440 like not in. 0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:32.799 Any way that's actually made I'm excited to see the 0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:39.080 new movie from Destiny personally, really excited to see he. 0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:40.920 Is trying that he actually is trying. 0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:44.280 I would love movie just Wikipedia to life. 0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:47.200 There was a there was a great moment in there 0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:50.320 speaking of like failed Ces's past where they like, because 0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:54.440 the extend XR stands for extended reality, which is just metaverse. 0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:56.120 It's just the metaverse. But they can't say that because 0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:57.920 they will get murdered, and that's. 0:34:57.719 --> 0:34:59.560 What they said that. Well, they were like, you can't 0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:04.520 say ever it's yes anymore, but we all know it's 0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:05.200 a real thing. 0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:10.960 They say web three at any point, oh so much. 0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:12.080 Arrested people. 0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:18.279 They are characters. They still do say like they still 0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:21.120 definitely say web three, which is insane. 0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:27.279 Is one. Yeah, well I'm just shocked they still say 0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:29.960 metaverse with a straight face, even like talking about this nonsense. 0:35:30.000 --> 0:35:32.920 But also x are x is a great term because 0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:34.880 it's been around for a while, and it usually just 0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:37.680 means I don't know if this is mixed reality or 0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:40.200 virtual reality. I don't know what device I'm selling this on. 0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:45.440 You guys. Seeing this panel was Charlie Fink, who's like 0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:49.200 the oldest of the metaverse. He's like a Forbes writer 0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:51.759 who is like an old school he's writing. He wrote 0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:53.680 a metaverse book in twenty seventeen. 0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:58.239 Honestly mad respect for actually like knowing stuff early. I 0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:01.160 don't know if I'd agree with all of the assumptions 0:36:01.160 --> 0:36:02.600 such as the metaverse existing. 0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:05.839 That was my big disagreement with him, that it's a thing, 0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:09.000 because they were just on the metaverse is just you know, 0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:11.960 attempts to extend the Internet into every day life, and 0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:13.520 I was like, no, no, no, that's that's just. 0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:16.240 That's just the Internet. 0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:20.840 That's just every day life. That's not the metaverse. That 0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:23.080 I can now order food to be delivered to my 0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:26.240 house are fairly. 0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:29.120 I do miss that period in the media though, when 0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:31.839 it was just like anything anything. They're like, yeah, they're 0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:34.000 going to have share houses, and then now we're going 0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:35.799 to have we're going to live in the meta We're 0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:37.200 going to live in the meta us, and that. 0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:44.200 People spend money on nikes in the metaverse, and you'd 0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:46.320 have banks in the meta better. 0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:54.319 Absolutely didn't they have like an Alby's in the meta use. 0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.200 That's the only thing they were right. Is the only 0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:01.000 way I'm getting into it Rby's is if I know 0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:02.760 I cannot make physical content. 0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:08.440 Someone too good for the for the the meat for 0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:10.960 the beat. The meats are not for you. But also 0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:12.920 what's important is I think we need to meet everyone 0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:15.520 who goes to the digital arbies and then connect them 0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:21.160 with mental health personnel, because not a red flag for 0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:23.399 a list, but I think you've got like therapists could 0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:26.280 be met. This is your therapy in the metaverse? Yeah problem, 0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:28.399 So yeah, not doing it in the fucking real world 0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:32.000 if they're in the metaverse arbies. But it's so funny 0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:33.920 as well that everyone's like the metaverse is happening, and 0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:35.319 then they're like, oh, how did you get in there? 0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:40.360 It's very simple. We have this expensive and uncomfortable stuff. 0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:43.520 Does it make you sick sometimes yes? Does it physically 0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:48.000 hurt yes, But when you get in there it sucks. 0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:52.680 Vision Pro dropped less than a year ago, and did they. 0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:56.560 Discontinue it, No? They just no, there was oh my god, 0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:57.720 I can't believe that review. 0:37:58.200 --> 0:37:59.560 There was one of the Apple products. 0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:05.279 They discontinue something that that sounds like Apple eventually, like 0:38:05.520 --> 0:38:06.239 they just give up. 0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:06.680 Check that. 0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:10.320 No no, no. So the vision Pro I know people 0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:12.960 are very upset with the fake news. People are very 0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:16.560 upset with me about my vision Pro review. Very unfair. 0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:18.080 It was second episode. 0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:21.560 There is still learning, but got something there is. 0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:22.080 Sorry. 0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:28.040 The most reputable outlet, game rant yea says that Apple 0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:30.800 has reportedly ceased production of the headset. 0:38:31.200 --> 0:38:35.160 Really well and that's the New York Times of ranting Edge. 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:44.560 Congratulations, you have won one off first. 0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:48.239 Apparent apparently system game Rant is citing an article in 0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:51.080 another website called the Information dot com. 0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:56.000 The information more or less, it's real ish, it's real, 0:38:56.120 --> 0:38:56.800 is the information. 0:38:56.840 --> 0:39:00.239 I would just climb up that very high page. They've 0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:03.000 improved crazy, yeah, so be able to get around every 0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:03.600 single one now. 0:39:03.800 --> 0:39:05.319 But also it's hard. It's hard now. 0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:08.400 I feel like it was kind of insane. That was 0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:10.840 more insane to me than crypto, and crypto is pretty insane. 0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:12.239 But it's like, oh, how I'm gonna get in the 0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:15.920 metaverse this very shitty fucking headset that sucks Vision Pro 0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.239 was pretty good. I know my review. I know people 0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:20.879 are upset that I liked the product. There was potential there, 0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:22.480 they just did not access it. 0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:25.640 Apple has the money for there to be potential there. 0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:28.360 But I still maintained that Steve and I'm not a 0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:31.440 guy as you know ed having said it from the hours, Yeah, 0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:33.520 I'm not a guy who worships Steve Jobs. I don't 0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:35.040 think he would have let that product out yet. 0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:36.759 No, No, it needs like two or three years. But 0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:40.400 it had potential even then. Though this is the biggest 0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:44.640 company intake, they're really only company capable of making consumer 0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:47.040 electronics that are actually good anymore, like everyone else is 0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:49.800 kind of like just mostly making up and maybe putting 0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:51.839 shit together. Yes, they're company like Frame. There are there 0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:54.319 are others, but like the biggest, and they're like, here 0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:54.880 is our best. 0:39:54.920 --> 0:39:55.279 Go at it. 0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:58.520 And when I tried to watch June on my Vision 0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:00.879 Pro and a fly back from London, I got the 0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:04.239 worst migraine of my life. What was I was really 0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:07.239 enjoying the film, and actually the Giant Scream was super cool, 0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:09.799 but I was in so much pain. I took it 0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:11.080 off and I was like sweating. 0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:15.840 Well, that was the extended reality of the Irakis. 0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:18.280 It was extending your reality. 0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:21.680 Yeah, like I say it, that is how it feels 0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:28.920 to read past the third book. 0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:35.120 Okay, but what's important was I really watched too much 0:40:35.160 --> 0:40:37.120 of that movie and I had like a migraine felix 0:40:37.680 --> 0:40:38.280 a day. 0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:40.120 Or two, like you see the Golden Path. 0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:44.560 The Pain, but I did not. 0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:47.839 I watched like the beginning of the film. I do 0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:50.800 not know the po that's gonna be you that Robert 0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:52.719 on the first episode of Better Offline will be the 0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:57.000 shihlud of content. I'm like, ah, yeah, j as we go. 0:40:57.920 --> 0:40:59.560 That has been proven completely drue that. 0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:02.440 Yeah, I live from a different era in which all 0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:04.520 of my friends in high school none of us had sex. 0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:06.600 We all had very strong opinions about it. 0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:09.719 Well, let me tell you, I too come from a 0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:13.279 rich line of not fuckers and not having sex in 0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:17.560 high school at all. Absolutely my thing was ever quest. Okay, 0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:20.080 one might say I was even cooler than you were. 0:41:20.200 --> 0:41:21.840 Yeah, it was wow for me. 0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:24.440 Oh no, I got into well later it was like 0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:28.840 getting off of cocaine to do heroin. Yeah, yeah, barely 0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:30.399 worked on me. I just gave up after a while, 0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:34.120 turned to drinking anyway, it's just great that this is 0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:36.600 the tech industry now. It's just the group hallucination where 0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:39.200 we all go, yeah, fuck it this as we sit 0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:41.319 here and talk, and I know I'm grinding this act 0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:43.560 quite hard, but we're hearing a lot about AI in 0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:46.799 this fucking conference. Everyone's staple in chat, GBT and anthropics 0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:50.680 clawed to everything, and it's like, okay, great, but we 0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:53.520 are sitting here and every major company is not making 0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:55.880 a single fucking dollar, actually losing money on this, and 0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:58.680 I feel a bit insane. I feel a bit crazy 0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:00.759 every day because every every day I look out the 0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:03.319 window intake and we're just like, our biggest thing is 0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:06.440 everyone burning money. I've now seen two stories in the 0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:10.080 last week from major publications going what if AI is 0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:13.400 a bubble? Which is probably the most worrying songs, Like 0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:15.560 The Economist had one that was like, what if a 0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:19.759 bubble bursting was good? What if it was good that 0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:22.640 the bubble burst, which is insane because there is a 0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:25.480 David Leonard story in the New York Times saying that 0:42:25.560 --> 0:42:29.479 a housing bubble burst in the six o seven region 0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:31.319 would have been a good idea too. And let me 0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:34.239 tell you, I don't know history super well, but I 0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:36.840 don't think the housing bubble bursting went well for anyone. 0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:38.160 No, So. 0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:47.240 You need to have the disruptor mindset right, And the problem. 0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:49.960 The problem with the bubbles is that as they get 0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:53.319 bigger and bigger, it stifles innovation in other areas because 0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:56.080 we're all focusing on this bubble, right, So as soon 0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:59.879 as it bursts, now, now you have so many more 0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:05.799 opportunities to really disrupt who knows how many other industries. 0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:06.960 Well, let me do. During the housing bubble, we had 0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:09.880 to innovate by like eating ninety nine cent burritos, and 0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:12.719 now four dollars of those stretched through some people. 0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:15.840 And now we have airbnbs taking over half half of 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:16.759 entire neighborhoods. 0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:18.080 Innovation so much better. 0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:21.279 That's good. Innovates sleeping and people were really they were 0:43:21.280 --> 0:43:23.360 innovating ways to top themselves. When I moved to New 0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:26.400 York in two thousand and eight, that was great. Fortunate people. 0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:28.120 That's the thing. You're not really going to have people 0:43:28.160 --> 0:43:29.759 doing themselves in on this one. But I don't think 0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:31.920 people realize the bubble bursting is going to be very 0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:34.759 bad for two reasons. One, all the tech stock's going 0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:37.719 to take a kind of a haircut. But also I 0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:41.359 think CS is kind of a bad omen the fact 0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:44.520 that there this is basically two thousand and four CS. 0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:46.719 That kind of speaks to the large problem I've talked 0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:48.440 about before, which is they don't seem to have a 0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:53.480 new thing. AI isn't new, and that's not working, and 0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:55.440 they're like, well, what if we put AI in a 0:43:55.680 --> 0:43:57.440 in a we can laugh at the kind of like 0:43:57.520 --> 0:43:59.800 AI in the oven thing, but really beneath the surface 0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:01.480 here and I look forward to seeing the shuffle on 0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:04.040 myself for this, there is this undercurrent of what the 0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:05.840 fuck do we do it? What? What we what do 0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:06.279 we doing that? 0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:06.400 What? 0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:07.360 What? 0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:07.960 Well? 0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:08.880 How do we make money now? 0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:09.120 What? 0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:09.200 What? 0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:10.800 What the money? And please? 0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:12.640 I think Ed had a really good point, which is 0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:15.640 that obviously what they see is AI agents being the future, 0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:18.359 and those kept getting brought up and what's one of them? 0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:19.319 What did they say to me? 0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:22.680 It's interesting to me is that obviously there's a there's 0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:26.000 a lot of potential value in being able to do 0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:28.000 something like say, hey, I want to plan a trip 0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:30.400 to this this and this location, sure, and having a 0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:32.520 thing that can book it. That's that's not a multi 0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:36.279 billion dollar industry. But there's utility or to being able 0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:38.680 to be like being able to plan out like five 0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:41.000 or six different meals that you want to you know, 0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:43.160 repeat over the course of a week or two and 0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:46.879 then like plan out or there. There's some utility there. 0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:50.400 But the way people talk about AI agents isn't in 0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:53.600 that way. It's about another living thing that they like 0:44:54.360 --> 0:44:58.400 bounce ideas off of and invite socially into their lives. 0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:02.560 There was a lady at the uh the first panel 0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:04.920 today which was about like AI in entertainment, who was 0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:07.960 like and my agent. Obviously she just is growing every 0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:11.359 year or every day, and it was like talking about 0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:14.800 her like a person like gendering she does her AI agent. 0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:16.839 I must be clear, what was she talking about? 0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:17.800 Her AI agent? 0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:19.920 Okay, but does this thing exist? No? 0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:23.120 No, no, Me and my rabbit have a very intimate relationship. 0:45:23.160 --> 0:45:26.359 Sure, sure, real fuck up pets man, believe No. 0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:29.319 No, she didn't say which product she was using, but 0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:31.600 there are a couple of them out right. Just to 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:34.000 be clear, character AI was on people. 0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:35.759 Talk, that's not an agent. Oh my fucking god, I 0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:38.040 have to do this, okay, yeah, an AI agent? 0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:38.440 No? 0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:40.759 No, no, that's what if she she was referencing because it 0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:42.399 might have been like her co pilot or some shit. 0:45:42.480 --> 0:45:44.600 A co pilot is also not an agent. An AI 0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:48.879 agent is meant to be an autonomous AI that goes 0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:51.359 out and does shit and can do things and then 0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:53.239 respond to things based on how people. 0:45:53.320 --> 0:45:55.400 Big part of it's like what Rabbit was trying to 0:45:55.440 --> 0:45:56.520 sell with the R one lass. 0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:58.799 Rabbit wasn't even doing that. They were just doing like 0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:03.080 the very early stage agents, which is, okay, you're technically correct, 0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:05.640 which is that agents are meant to be they take 0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:08.000 actions for you. That's the official definition. But what everyone's 0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:10.040 talking about with agents, and this has driving me fucking 0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:12.800 insane because no one really wants to talk about the 0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:15.400 reality here is they're talking about I will staple a 0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:18.680 few fucking lms to each other, and then enough llllms 0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:20.920 will talk to each other that things will just start happening, 0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:23.840 kind of like the Incredible Machine if you ever played 0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:27.600 They just like a Rubegoldberg situation, he says, not really 0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:31.560 knowing that reference Peebee's Playhouse. I don't know. Nevertheless, these 0:46:31.560 --> 0:46:34.359 series of actions then allow theoretically this thing to do 0:46:34.400 --> 0:46:36.279 something at the end. The big common one, right, now 0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:40.160 is sales sales agents. These things are insanely expensive, and 0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:42.759 I have yet to hear of one that does more 0:46:42.800 --> 0:46:45.400 than send emails and answer emails. And I've yet to 0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:50.080 really see anyone explain how anything else is fucking possible. 0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:52.960 And the thing is people will say agent about anything. 0:46:53.280 --> 0:46:56.040 Character to AI is just an LLLM company. 0:46:55.719 --> 0:46:58.560 That like they got a kid to kill themselves. 0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:02.520 Insane, but also just like has like a denarious tulgarian 0:47:02.560 --> 0:47:04.960 bot that will also be a therapy. It's fucking insane, 0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:07.719 of course, So that's not an agent. Chat GPT not 0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:09.680 an agent. They want to said, I'm so glad you 0:47:09.719 --> 0:47:11.920 brought this up, because it's like this agentic thing is 0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:14.319 their next bullshit. But I cannot be clear enough. If 0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:16.920 you think regular lms are expensive, imagine a bunch of 0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:19.640 lms playing dipshit tennis with each other. That is how 0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:20.399 agents work. 0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:22.160 You know, I think you know in sixteen Z is 0:47:22.200 --> 0:47:24.640 really big on this. There's a there's a manifesto, one 0:47:24.640 --> 0:47:30.080 of their many manifestos they hear they say, every child 0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:33.719 will have an AI tutor that is infinitely patient, infinitely compassionate, 0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:37.880 infinitely knowledgeable, infinitely helpful, infinite and then they say that 0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:40.760 every person will have an AI assistant slash coach, slash 0:47:40.800 --> 0:47:43.440 mentor slash trainer slash advisor. 0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:46.480 How can it be metor it doesn't know how to 0:47:46.520 --> 0:47:46.959 do things? 0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:49.839 Slash therapist slash therapist. That's good, that's good. 0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:54.240 It's infinitely patient and infinite compassionate, definitely knowledgeable, and infinitely helpful. 0:47:54.360 --> 0:47:56.640 I just they want a friend without having to do 0:47:56.680 --> 0:47:59.440 any of the work. That makes like having a friendship. 0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:00.880 Yes, not only. 0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:06.200 Makes these pople therapy, but also on top of that, 0:48:07.960 --> 0:48:10.680 if everyone keeps talking about this idea and I think 0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:13.000 they've been doing it for years, and this of AI 0:48:13.200 --> 0:48:17.319 being your assistant, why are there no AI assistants that work? Yes, 0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:20.640 you can make your phone do reminders now. Yeah, we're 0:48:20.640 --> 0:48:24.160 on like the sixteenth seventeenth iPhone and we can now 0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:26.760 make Siri most of the time understand. 0:48:26.440 --> 0:48:27.960 Something like half the time for me. 0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:32.600 But yeah, the British sery actually understands me unlike most people. 0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:36.200 I have set a Scottish theory. But maybe maybe why 0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:39.240 maybe I like I like the way. 0:48:39.239 --> 0:48:41.759 The way one of the panels where they are like 0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:44.400 is voice the new operating system. 0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:48.000 I am going to kill myself, I will kill on. 0:48:47.960 --> 0:48:50.440 The panel was British and was like, well, usually they 0:48:50.440 --> 0:48:53.080 don't understand what I'm saying, so like all of the 0:48:53.120 --> 0:48:55.840 Americans were like, oh, absolutely, and the one person with 0:48:55.880 --> 0:48:57.480 an accent was like, I probably not. 0:48:57.520 --> 0:49:01.840 Okay. That makes me so angry because when fucking Alexa 0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:04.719 came out, we would we did this one already. We've 0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:07.800 done this one already. I've I have already done pitching 0:49:07.800 --> 0:49:11.160 for clients about voice being it wasn't guess what it 0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:13.360 was not the future because it turns out that talking 0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:14.000 is annoying. 0:49:28.560 --> 0:49:30.839 Well, I've been seeing discussions about this. I saw someone 0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:35.040 online try to be like Scarlett Johansson fumbled the bag yes, 0:49:35.360 --> 0:49:37.839 and it's like, whoa what bag? Yeah. They were saying 0:49:37.840 --> 0:49:41.000 that if she had simply let open AI use her voice, 0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:44.080 she would have been the future of AI Voice forever, like. 0:49:44.120 --> 0:49:47.879 Achieved immortalities, be like the AI Voice for generations. 0:49:48.200 --> 0:49:50.759 I'm like, yeah, just like you know what happened with Alexa, right, 0:49:51.040 --> 0:49:52.839 I don't think that happened with Siri. I know the 0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:55.600 voice actors, all of them, I know them personally. 0:49:56.320 --> 0:49:58.520 Gramble Chambers my favorite, like what a. 0:49:58.560 --> 0:50:02.879 Bad like business decision for an actress, because now you'll 0:50:02.880 --> 0:50:05.480 have like kids who grow up with like like Alexa 0:50:05.520 --> 0:50:07.120 machines in their house, and then they'll watch a movie 0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:12.239 and be like, oh wow, the Alex is in. It's 0:50:12.280 --> 0:50:15.680 like it's like a voice servant. 0:50:16.040 --> 0:50:16.600 It's Siri. 0:50:17.320 --> 0:50:20.799 Casting directors will be like, well, Scarlett Johansson, No, she's that. 0:50:20.920 --> 0:50:23.160 She's that lady who everybody has to talk to get 0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:27.080 a dentist appointment. Nobody wants in a movie. Like, it's 0:50:27.120 --> 0:50:29.160 a terrible idea to be that. 0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:30.880 You mean lost in translation. 0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:35.960 I've watched her a little too many times as really 0:50:36.040 --> 0:50:38.719 one of the one of the factors that keeps coming 0:50:38.719 --> 0:50:41.239 in here, this idea that the voice is gonna be 0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:42.560 the transcendent thing there. 0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:46.120 Yeah, I and also that it can do more than 0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:48.520 it can, because I don't think people realize and I 0:50:48.560 --> 0:50:51.520 know this due to my accent, how fucking bad voice is. 0:50:51.560 --> 0:50:54.360 Even in the best case. It just does not. Sometimes 0:50:54.400 --> 0:50:56.919 the things it hears are truly insane. And the more 0:50:57.120 --> 0:50:59.279 data you have in your phone, the more numbers and 0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:03.520 names you have, the more insane. The idea is, I 0:51:03.560 --> 0:51:05.880 don't need to text someone I know from North Carolina 0:51:05.920 --> 0:51:07.960 eleven years ago and I certainly don't need to text 0:51:08.000 --> 0:51:10.600 them about the burger I'm ordering. Was I ordering a bugger? 0:51:10.719 --> 0:51:10.759 No? 0:51:10.840 --> 0:51:12.560 I was trying to do a meeting related thing. But 0:51:12.600 --> 0:51:15.680 did this fucking thing hear me? But also it just 0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:17.359 angers me that I have to hear this. It's been 0:51:17.440 --> 0:51:19.200 like a decade. I thought we got away from this 0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:23.160 fucking angle. No, very foulmouth to that. I apologize to the. 0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:26.480 Well, at the very least, at least there's no crypto. 0:51:26.800 --> 0:51:32.400 To us, right. Oh, I'm sure we'll hit some I 0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:33.399 haven't run into it yet. 0:51:33.480 --> 0:51:34.399 I'm sniffing it out. 0:51:34.480 --> 0:51:37.360 No, I didcause one of the women on one of 0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:40.799 the panels worked for Republic, which is an app that 0:51:40.920 --> 0:51:44.160 allows you to everyone to do in like venture capital 0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:48.080 investing with as little as twenty five dollars sick and yeah, 0:51:48.120 --> 0:51:50.120 and also invest in crypto at the same time. 0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:50.680 Why not? 0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:52.880 And the one review of it said like, it's a 0:51:52.920 --> 0:51:55.760 great service if you want to diversify, but it's extremely 0:51:55.880 --> 0:51:59.800 risky and everyone loses money that's not diversified. 0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:03.640 I guess people are still reeling from hawk to a coin, 0:52:04.360 --> 0:52:06.839 so maybe that might be more on the down low. 0:52:07.320 --> 0:52:09.719 Uh here, I really I. 0:52:09.680 --> 0:52:13.040 Love that she is probably in trouble the SEC. I 0:52:13.080 --> 0:52:14.400 love that the SEC is. 0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:17.680 Gonna go somewhere with no extradition, tweet a bit, and 0:52:17.680 --> 0:52:18.320 then get extra. 0:52:21.000 --> 0:52:24.680 People lacked the moxy of the classic scam artist. 0:52:25.440 --> 0:52:27.319 Yeah, look, you. 0:52:27.239 --> 0:52:30.120 Do that when you're in Costa Rica. You you fucking 0:52:30.400 --> 0:52:31.120 He was a. 0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:33.160 Real piece of ship. But I missed McAfee. 0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:40.200 Now, if McAfee, if he'd had just hung in there 0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:42.960 another year or two. My favorite John McAfee thing was 0:52:43.000 --> 0:52:45.360 if you looked at the Champagne he was drinking. 0:52:45.880 --> 0:52:50.359 It's like the cheapest ship. He didn't have that much money, Like, 0:52:50.400 --> 0:52:54.520 he was a shitty yacht. They had terrible guns, but he. 0:52:54.560 --> 0:52:57.480 Was eating like like like a woolgreens cheese. 0:52:57.800 --> 0:53:02.000 Yeah, hell yeah, he's drinking like Corbell libertarian. 0:53:01.719 --> 0:53:05.160 But like which is no one, no one, so no one. 0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:09.719 Dominicants took his guns. Wait did they really steal They 0:53:09.719 --> 0:53:13.120 did steal it. They steal his guns. He's sailed into 0:53:13.160 --> 0:53:18.040 a foreign port with a boat full of illegal they wow, country, 0:53:18.920 --> 0:53:19.719 you can't do that. 0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:22.880 You're not allowed to do that as usual the fucking 0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:27.759 fun place. I woke mafia. Oh, I can't ride into 0:53:28.120 --> 0:53:30.080 another port with a bunch of guns. 0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:33.040 This is obviously just because Dominican the Dominican Republic's so corrupt. 0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:35.319 It's like, man, yeah, it would take your guns. You 0:53:35.400 --> 0:53:36.200 can't do that. 0:53:36.320 --> 0:53:37.719 But also this is just like one thing of a 0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:39.160 functioning democracy. 0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:41.080 If a very strange man. 0:53:41.040 --> 0:53:45.320 On all sorts of substances, clearly on drugs somewhere basically 0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:46.720 trafficking human beings. 0:53:46.760 --> 0:53:48.799 If a guy turns up just like yeah, yeah, he 0:53:48.880 --> 0:53:50.839 sounds sounds like beavers but looks like. 0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:52.279 He's dying, it's like, yeah, you could do that on 0:53:52.320 --> 0:53:54.719 the boat, but no, yo, yo, I'm like, hey, I 0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:56.799 have all of these guns out of that like just 0:53:56.800 --> 0:53:59.439 fucking lying around taking your boat jack back. 0:53:59.600 --> 0:54:02.320 Yeah, like like like you've killed a bunch of NPCs 0:54:02.320 --> 0:54:03.919 on there and they've dropped their loot, like. 0:54:03.920 --> 0:54:06.960 And he did. In fact, I mean like none of 0:54:06.960 --> 0:54:09.560 these modern day drifters can do. They don't live interesting, 0:54:09.680 --> 0:54:11.719 bold enough lives to have racked up the kind of 0:54:11.760 --> 0:54:12.319 body count. 0:54:12.400 --> 0:54:17.320 Jean mccaut, he was like a like a Blacklist character. 0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:19.920 He sure was like, yeah, Raymond Reddington. 0:54:20.719 --> 0:54:25.319 A lot of people in who died because they were 0:54:25.560 --> 0:54:26.640 his nephew died. 0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:27.839 His nephew died. 0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:32.200 They had like a paragliding thing that they did in 0:54:32.239 --> 0:54:35.720 the desert. They called themselves sky Gypsies, and they traveled 0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:39.440 around like like drifting from little airport in the desert 0:54:39.440 --> 0:54:42.160 to little airport in the desert, and like a seventy 0:54:42.200 --> 0:54:45.040 year old man and his nephew, Booth crashed and died, 0:54:47.440 --> 0:54:50.360 and then he fled the country for Costa Rica because 0:54:50.440 --> 0:54:53.600 his whole family got angry at him. 0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:57.000 This is why he left. Yes, that's why he went 0:54:57.040 --> 0:55:02.000 to Costa Rica. That first of all insane. 0:55:02.080 --> 0:55:02.480 Yeah. 0:55:02.800 --> 0:55:05.520 Second of all, none of the tech people are this interesting, 0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:09.719 Absolutely not. Sam Molman has never fled a country. No ever, 0:55:09.880 --> 0:55:12.239 he might though now he won't. That's the thing. 0:55:12.280 --> 0:55:15.680 It's the process is like Zuckerberg dressing like Stan you 0:55:15.719 --> 0:55:16.440 know from the. 0:55:16.640 --> 0:55:19.480 I Love It. I love that he dresses like Kevin Federan. 0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:22.600 Yeah yeah, but even all of that's just a Peter 0:55:22.719 --> 0:55:25.960 Teel's like bit. Yeah, it wasn't even his idea. 0:55:26.040 --> 0:55:28.880 So this is one of the many consultants that have 0:55:29.000 --> 0:55:31.600 crawled up Mark Zuckerberg's asshole now being like, what you 0:55:31.640 --> 0:55:34.919 should do is you should dress like like you've you've 0:55:35.000 --> 0:55:37.640 just done a ZM pig, but you're also a nineties 0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:41.840 rapper and he's like, oh huh, yeah, will. 0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:44.080 We ever get him rapping? You know those pictures of him? 0:55:44.480 --> 0:55:48.680 I would love him to rap. I actually should try. 0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:52.120 We really do need a Howard Hughes era and a 0:55:52.280 --> 0:55:55.400 Crazy Crone era of tech. I wonder what Mark Zuckerberg 0:55:55.440 --> 0:55:58.080 is going to be like when he's like eighty, like 0:55:58.120 --> 0:56:00.319 an Al Davis style just and. 0:56:00.440 --> 0:56:02.600 El director being yeah, just like a. 0:56:02.680 --> 0:56:06.279 Lich just floating with you. He won't quit. I think 0:56:06.280 --> 0:56:09.080 he may Al Davis Meta And for the listeners who 0:56:09.120 --> 0:56:11.319 don't know the NFL, Al Davis was the owner of 0:56:11.320 --> 0:56:13.880 the Oakland Raiders and now the Las Vegas Raiders, and 0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:15.920 he held onto the team until he looked like he 0:56:16.000 --> 0:56:18.720 was physically dying. And I really do mean like bits 0:56:18.719 --> 0:56:20.560 were falling off of him on air like it was 0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:23.520 fucking insane. This is actually what I hope for Meta 0:56:23.600 --> 0:56:25.799 more than anything. I actually don't think Meta lasts than 0:56:25.840 --> 0:56:29.040 another ten years, but if it has the last decades, 0:56:29.239 --> 0:56:31.640 I hope it's Mark Zuckerberg just crazy. You know, like 0:56:31.719 --> 0:56:33.439 we're not running photos on. 0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:37.920 Anymore, nothing but the website is nothing but ais of 0:56:38.040 --> 0:56:43.120 your dead grandparents and like literally loved once yea Zuckerberg 0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:43.920 running it alone. 0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:49.520 You couldn't make your pop pop come back, you couldn't 0:56:49.520 --> 0:56:51.280 bring your beautiful life. 0:56:51.520 --> 0:56:55.680 That's what he's gonna run for president? Yeah, that's what. 0:56:56.200 --> 0:56:59.320 Yeah. Yeah, I can't of course as a resident. 0:56:59.480 --> 0:57:01.840 Just want to really, you can't vote once, but you 0:57:01.840 --> 0:57:02.560 can vote twice. 0:57:02.640 --> 0:57:07.799 No. No, people need to stop saying things that make 0:57:07.880 --> 0:57:09.920 it sound like I am committing a crime. 0:57:11.080 --> 0:57:13.600 Don't joke about the title of our signal loop in here. 0:57:14.239 --> 0:57:16.920 No, we will not be saying that, nor will we 0:57:16.960 --> 0:57:22.480 be saying it's blowing up like a cyber truck either. Yeah, 0:57:22.480 --> 0:57:25.960 I'm sure that was a great post for you sending 0:57:25.960 --> 0:57:27.600 it to my lawyer being like, it's a bit. 0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:28.880 Look, he's already dead. 0:57:29.000 --> 0:57:31.240 It's a bit. Yeah, I was. 0:57:31.920 --> 0:57:33.360 I was planning a bit. 0:57:35.160 --> 0:57:38.160 To bring my gray hoodie and my green jacket and 0:57:38.200 --> 0:57:42.080 my net Gator and just walk. 0:57:45.680 --> 0:57:47.560 That's the thing, though, the show's got big enough now 0:57:47.560 --> 0:57:49.560 that people are responding to me with stuff like that. 0:57:50.480 --> 0:57:53.120 Luisg So I'm like, shot the man. 0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:55.640 People people love posting about crimes. 0:57:56.440 --> 0:57:59.120 People love to tell me the crimes they wish i'd commit. 0:57:59.240 --> 0:58:02.040 Yeah, that's always true. 0:58:02.120 --> 0:58:05.640 Yeah, yeah, I am a wow, would I am. I'm 0:58:05.680 --> 0:58:08.920 not hitting anyone. I'm terrified of violence, both happening to 0:58:09.000 --> 0:58:09.800 me and committing it. 0:58:09.880 --> 0:58:12.040 The only drugs I do were the ones I legally 0:58:12.160 --> 0:58:13.680 buy its stores on the strip. 0:58:13.800 --> 0:58:17.800 Yeah, mushroom would be We're like, what. 0:58:17.720 --> 0:58:19.280 Kind of mushroom is in the gummy? 0:58:19.360 --> 0:58:22.920 Yes, it's another introduction to the Consumer Electronics Show and 0:58:22.960 --> 0:58:25.760 this beautiful show I'm putting on. My boss, Robert evans 0:58:26.120 --> 0:58:28.960 Uh sat down at the table and then produced a 0:58:29.000 --> 0:58:32.439 mysterious bag. I think it's the fairest description saying these 0:58:32.440 --> 0:58:36.800 are mushrooms I bought at a corner store. I don't 0:58:36.840 --> 0:58:40.880 know a mushroom vape. There is also a mushroom everyone. 0:58:41.480 --> 0:58:44.600 Everyone has been letting me know about the mushroom vapory. 0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:48.080 Do not know what is? What kind of mushrooms? 0:58:48.240 --> 0:58:49.000 None of them tell you what. 0:58:49.240 --> 0:58:50.480 I'm not doing them, so. 0:58:50.560 --> 0:58:52.560 We would never vapor in this hotel suite. 0:58:52.720 --> 0:58:55.840 Yes, thank you two hundred and fifty dollars. I will 0:58:55.840 --> 0:58:58.960 not get back anyway. This is my boss, the mushroom man, 0:58:59.200 --> 0:59:01.240 and this is what the week is going to be 0:59:01.320 --> 0:59:04.120 like because we refuse to be held by the norms 0:59:04.120 --> 0:59:06.240 of tech coverage in the sense that we actually want 0:59:06.280 --> 0:59:08.439 to have a good time. And I believe, and I've 0:59:08.480 --> 0:59:10.120 done a lot of things about the tech media recently, 0:59:10.160 --> 0:59:11.920 and this is not the fault of the individual writers, 0:59:11.920 --> 0:59:14.600 but the outlets themselves. I believe we have all lost 0:59:14.600 --> 0:59:16.960 the fun in tech. I don't think people enjoy their 0:59:16.960 --> 0:59:20.200 gizmos anywhere near as much. No, No, I want to 0:59:20.280 --> 0:59:22.960 enjoy my shit. I love my phone. It's got problems 0:59:22.960 --> 0:59:24.520 with it, but I love technology. It's great. 0:59:24.720 --> 0:59:27.080 The funnest thing that this show can't be the LG 0:59:27.280 --> 0:59:30.040 giant screen's exactly, and that's why I'm so I'm so 0:59:30.080 --> 0:59:32.600 thankful that you've put this thing together, because yeah, usually 0:59:32.840 --> 0:59:37.080 covering this is like kind of like brain breaking, and 0:59:37.520 --> 0:59:39.520 I love having something to look forward to that's not 0:59:39.600 --> 0:59:42.800 just the big screen, and also drinking as many, like 0:59:42.880 --> 0:59:45.840 as many cocktails at Showstoppers as I can, which we 0:59:45.920 --> 0:59:47.520 will be doing tomorrow. 0:59:47.160 --> 0:59:48.200 Night here every year. 0:59:48.440 --> 0:59:51.240 And the people of Showstoppers have been very unfair to me, 0:59:51.440 --> 0:59:54.720 very nasty. They said that I'm a public relations executive 0:59:54.720 --> 0:59:55.800 and they will not have me there. 0:59:56.880 --> 0:59:59.760 Will they still not let you into shit? No, they 0:59:59.760 --> 1:00:01.840 want and make me pay and I'm not paying. 1:00:02.840 --> 1:00:03.640 They should pay me. 1:00:04.520 --> 1:00:05.040 Don't worry. 1:00:05.120 --> 1:00:08.320 I will I will oh no show drink show stop 1:00:08.360 --> 1:00:09.040 drink for you. 1:00:09.120 --> 1:00:11.600 Maybe it's Pepcom. They didn't let me into either way, 1:00:11.760 --> 1:00:14.520 if it showed it was Pepcom. I think nevertheless, many 1:00:14.760 --> 1:00:17.000 mean people of Pepcom. If you don't let me in 1:00:17.040 --> 1:00:19.200 your show, I will find a way in there. In spirit, 1:00:19.960 --> 1:00:22.960 this is a threat, which is most threat. 1:00:23.280 --> 1:00:24.560 They're gonna blow down the door. 1:00:24.680 --> 1:00:30.720 No, no, someone is going to be there that will 1:00:30.720 --> 1:00:33.360 tell me what happened, and then I will talk about it. 1:00:33.400 --> 1:00:36.640 I will not be doing any crimes. Crimes, thank you. 1:00:37.320 --> 1:00:40.040 It's going to be the entire goddamn week, isn't it. 1:00:40.080 --> 1:00:42.400 This is going to be my entire week. Is Robert 1:00:42.440 --> 1:00:45.680 and Gare and ed now and ed ed has joined 1:00:45.720 --> 1:00:48.720 in saying Ed, why don't you do crime? And I 1:00:48.760 --> 1:00:52.680 will be saying I won't. I've never committed, which is great. 1:00:52.840 --> 1:00:54.440 But this week is I think it's going to be 1:00:54.440 --> 1:00:56.160 a special week because I think over the course of 1:00:56.160 --> 1:00:57.880 the week, we're really going to realize how fuck the 1:00:57.960 --> 1:01:00.480 tech industry is. I think that they're there is some 1:01:00.600 --> 1:01:03.160 life in the hardware side, but I think there's a 1:01:03.320 --> 1:01:06.440 genuine fucking hole in the consumer electronics side that is 1:01:06.520 --> 1:01:09.160 just bleeding, and I think people need to wake the 1:01:09.520 --> 1:01:12.240 up about it. Maybe the reason CS is fucking miserable 1:01:12.280 --> 1:01:15.000 is because there's nothing here that's cool like that. I 1:01:15.080 --> 1:01:16.720 maybe that was why I liked it. In twenty eleven. 1:01:17.000 --> 1:01:19.080 Twenty eleven, there was Stills. I don't remember very much 1:01:19.080 --> 1:01:19.280 from that. 1:01:19.320 --> 1:01:21.520 Poole had a slide. Maybe there was the Mobile World 1:01:21.560 --> 1:01:23.560 Congress that year. Either way, there was a slide at 1:01:23.560 --> 1:01:24.000 one point. 1:01:24.040 --> 1:01:25.960 But also there was stuff that actually got made that 1:01:26.040 --> 1:01:28.680 was interesting, that solved needs. And indeed, it might be 1:01:28.680 --> 1:01:30.360 they've sold a lot of the needs already. But it's 1:01:30.400 --> 1:01:32.480 like fucking how No, Like tech. 1:01:32.400 --> 1:01:36.280 Was evolving so much back then, Like like there was 1:01:36.320 --> 1:01:40.640 like genuine like massive massive changes and improvements on like 1:01:40.960 --> 1:01:45.200 the availability of having a supercomputerly in your hand at 1:01:45.240 --> 1:01:49.040 all times. And I've had the same iPhone for four 1:01:49.120 --> 1:01:51.080 years and nothing's. 1:01:50.640 --> 1:01:51.640 But that's actually the problem. 1:01:51.800 --> 1:01:52.920 Nothing is better. 1:01:53.040 --> 1:01:55.200 Maybe we're at the end, Maybe at the end of time. 1:01:56.160 --> 1:01:57.080 Have we considered this? 1:01:57.360 --> 1:01:59.600 Yeah, I mean I have a buddy named Francis. 1:01:59.600 --> 1:02:03.600 Francis, okay, explain the joke for those of us who 1:02:03.600 --> 1:02:05.000 get it but need the audience to hold. 1:02:05.200 --> 1:02:08.360 I mean, he wrote a paper that was largely misinterpreted 1:02:08.480 --> 1:02:11.520 about at the end of the Cold War, about the 1:02:11.640 --> 1:02:12.360 end of history. 1:02:12.680 --> 1:02:12.800 Right. 1:02:12.840 --> 1:02:14.520 It really wasn't saying what it sounds like. 1:02:14.560 --> 1:02:17.120 He was saying sounds like a thing I should have 1:02:17.200 --> 1:02:18.440 read but did not. 1:02:18.560 --> 1:02:21.440 It's okay, no one actually read Francis Fuki. We all 1:02:21.560 --> 1:02:22.840 just joked about, like. 1:02:22.800 --> 1:02:25.840 A real Shoshana Zubov situation. I don't know who the 1:02:25.840 --> 1:02:30.320 fuck surveillance. She wrote a seven hundred page book. If 1:02:30.360 --> 1:02:32.160 you read the first hundred page, you're like, God, damn, 1:02:32.240 --> 1:02:32.760 I use it. 1:02:32.720 --> 1:02:34.720 To keep my door open so my cats can get 1:02:34.760 --> 1:02:35.240 in my room. 1:02:35.320 --> 1:02:38.520 It is a very long It's a very long book, 1:02:38.560 --> 1:02:40.480 and I say, this is someone who does very long podcast. 1:02:40.560 --> 1:02:42.520 But the first hundred page she's like, damn, you're really 1:02:42.560 --> 1:02:44.000 on something. In the next six hundred. 1:02:43.840 --> 1:02:46.240 You're like an editor would have been helpful. 1:02:46.440 --> 1:02:49.360 Oh, maybe definitely. But also the larger point is that 1:02:49.400 --> 1:02:53.000 capitalism is simply sick. That we must just fix the 1:02:53.120 --> 1:02:56.560 obvious problems because otherwise the tech companies would run well 1:02:56.560 --> 1:02:59.160 if capitalism worked well. And the answer is shut the 1:02:59.200 --> 1:03:02.280 fuck anyway. I'm gonna have Corey Doctor to talk about 1:03:02.280 --> 1:03:04.320 that book at some point, because he has some fucking views. 1:03:05.200 --> 1:03:07.040 He wrote his own book about the books. 1:03:07.400 --> 1:03:10.640 Yeah, but it is interesting, and I kind of want to. 1:03:11.120 --> 1:03:12.720 I think I'm going to try and ask everyone what 1:03:12.800 --> 1:03:16.520 they were excited about this, because I need to find out, 1:03:16.560 --> 1:03:19.400 first of all, who's a liar, and then second of all, 1:03:19.400 --> 1:03:21.600 I need to find out if someone truly believes that 1:03:21.640 --> 1:03:22.680 something is exciting here. 1:03:23.040 --> 1:03:23.320 Why. 1:03:24.040 --> 1:03:26.400 I don't remember a single thing I've ever seen at 1:03:26.400 --> 1:03:29.320 CES other than one year where I saw a sign 1:03:29.400 --> 1:03:33.960 for a seaman analysis thing with Ai. I was heading 1:03:34.000 --> 1:03:36.280 out at the time because and I was not in 1:03:36.320 --> 1:03:37.960 a great mood, because otherwise I would have gone in 1:03:38.000 --> 1:03:40.520 and be like, can I try it? What do you think? 1:03:41.040 --> 1:03:41.560 Nah? 1:03:41.840 --> 1:03:44.640 Like what you see? The I says it's bad? 1:03:44.720 --> 1:03:47.280 Huh, I'm not, but you I'm pretty excited about that 1:03:47.360 --> 1:03:50.600 folding laundry robot that you guys were talking about. 1:03:52.160 --> 1:03:53.760 I'd be really funny to go over there and be like, 1:03:53.800 --> 1:03:57.600 where's my fucking shirt? Two years ago? It's my fucking shirt. Man, 1:03:57.760 --> 1:04:00.720 he never gave me that ship back, like KG yelling, uh, 1:04:00.760 --> 1:04:01.480 where's my money. 1:04:02.320 --> 1:04:04.720 I am a sicko laptop pervert, so I always look 1:04:04.760 --> 1:04:08.360 forward to like Lenovo's weird twisting folding laptops. I've got 1:04:08.360 --> 1:04:11.040 their folding the laptop now, and I love it. I 1:04:11.080 --> 1:04:13.200 do like their sick little laptop. 1:04:12.960 --> 1:04:15.320 Weird little laptop, and I wish it was all that 1:04:15.360 --> 1:04:16.480 weird fucking laptop. 1:04:16.520 --> 1:04:19.120 Look, give me a weird laptop. Put four screens on 1:04:19.160 --> 1:04:21.040 the side, should have it fold down to the size 1:04:21.040 --> 1:04:21.560 of a napkin. 1:04:21.760 --> 1:04:23.720 That's what I want from seeingos I want. I don't 1:04:23.720 --> 1:04:26.360 mind if you don't make it. I just mind that 1:04:26.400 --> 1:04:28.880 it's fun and it's like, hey, here's something that's plausible 1:04:28.880 --> 1:04:31.000 and we are not building it. Yeah, that's so boring. 1:04:31.080 --> 1:04:34.080 I don't get angry at the folding one hundred inch television. Yeah, 1:04:34.360 --> 1:04:36.520 I would never buy one, but I am like, that 1:04:36.680 --> 1:04:39.200 is a TV that's folding. Yeah, it's pretty cool. 1:04:39.360 --> 1:04:41.200 And I could see that would be delayed due to 1:04:41.360 --> 1:04:44.040 the fact that you're doing the thing unassociated. 1:04:43.360 --> 1:04:45.680 And no one wants mostly associated with. 1:04:45.680 --> 1:04:48.320 Clothes, and also there is no market of any kind. 1:04:48.800 --> 1:04:50.760 But even then they still make them. You still get 1:04:50.800 --> 1:04:53.720 like the fifty thousand dollars lg TV that can run 1:04:53.720 --> 1:04:54.280 on a battery. 1:04:54.320 --> 1:04:56.960 It's like that three million dollar glasses free three D 1:04:57.080 --> 1:04:58.840 television they used to bring around where it's like this 1:04:58.920 --> 1:05:02.280 fucker works. You gotta stand in one specific area. 1:05:02.040 --> 1:05:05.800 But this is basically a giant three DS but it 1:05:06.320 --> 1:05:08.800 doesn't work well. Last year they had I think their 1:05:08.800 --> 1:05:12.919 biggest TV thing was like a transparent transparent TV. 1:05:13.040 --> 1:05:14.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that. 1:05:14.120 --> 1:05:15.400 That was so stupid. 1:05:15.560 --> 1:05:17.960 I love that because they were like, even like the 1:05:18.000 --> 1:05:20.600 tech journalists just trying, they weren't trying it. They were 1:05:20.640 --> 1:05:21.960 just reading off the fucking press. 1:05:21.960 --> 1:05:23.080 And it's like, I. 1:05:23.040 --> 1:05:26.480 Don't fucking know what. I don't fucking know why. We 1:05:26.520 --> 1:05:29.560 have no more horizons, No, there's no more landsall got 1:05:29.600 --> 1:05:31.520 the rock com bubble In July, I fucking said that 1:05:31.600 --> 1:05:34.680 there's nothing left. We're at the end. And I will 1:05:34.760 --> 1:05:37.439 not rate it because and that really it does feel 1:05:37.480 --> 1:05:39.080 like I'm narrating the end of the world at times, 1:05:39.080 --> 1:05:42.240 and this show does not fucking help. It doesn't give 1:05:42.320 --> 1:05:45.120 me hope. I don't get I don't see anything at 1:05:45.120 --> 1:05:46.880 cs WRO. I'm like, finally, no. 1:05:47.000 --> 1:05:50.480 But I think it's so crucial because the whole thing 1:05:50.520 --> 1:05:52.680 about AI right now, the thing everyone says is like 1:05:52.960 --> 1:05:55.040 it's only going to get better, right this is this 1:05:55.120 --> 1:05:57.000 is the worst it's going to get. And the thing 1:05:57.000 --> 1:06:00.560 that you've been so good on like specifically for your beat, 1:06:00.720 --> 1:06:06.040 is showing how things don't actually like infinitely improve like 1:06:05.600 --> 1:06:08.160 a like Google search is such a good is such 1:06:08.160 --> 1:06:10.400 a good example that, like, no, sometimes things actually can't 1:06:10.400 --> 1:06:14.640 get worse. We can't assume everything will just get better. 1:06:14.760 --> 1:06:17.160 Well it hasn't, though. I think that that's the real thing, 1:06:17.200 --> 1:06:20.400 and this show kind of shows it in the nothing 1:06:20.440 --> 1:06:23.440 has got better. They don't show us stuff here where 1:06:23.440 --> 1:06:25.640 I'm like other than TV stuff. TV's are cool. I 1:06:25.640 --> 1:06:29.120 love TVs whatever, big big computer fuss compute whatever. But 1:06:29.200 --> 1:06:31.880 like of actual things we've seen at CS, I first 1:06:31.920 --> 1:06:34.920 of all, cannot remember a single fucking thing I've seen it. See, 1:06:35.040 --> 1:06:37.440 I just I go in. I look at them for hours, 1:06:37.640 --> 1:06:39.760 and then my brain just leaves and I leave in. 1:06:39.920 --> 1:06:43.200 My brain's like it's gone, okay, that's going with where Spanish, French, 1:06:43.240 --> 1:06:44.280 German and Latin went. 1:06:44.400 --> 1:06:47.880 So who are the winners? It's it's gamers, gooners, investors. 1:06:48.160 --> 1:06:50.880 The thing is, I don't even think those always right. 1:06:52.520 --> 1:06:59.520 Three groups that always keep winning Gamers, goers and tech enthusiasts. 1:06:59.560 --> 1:07:01.960 But there's not even stuff for gunas anymore. 1:07:02.640 --> 1:07:06.520 Oh no, no, no, no, you know you know. 1:07:06.480 --> 1:07:07.440 A true goods. 1:07:08.000 --> 1:07:11.920 They're always DTG as the kids. 1:07:11.200 --> 1:07:13.760 We have been reporting on. I am come beat every cees. 1:07:13.880 --> 1:07:17.080 Okay, Well, love to introduce my listeners to this, especially 1:07:17.080 --> 1:07:19.200 the ones that came in through the Very Serious podcast 1:07:19.240 --> 1:07:21.760 and the Lena Kahn interview. That's the ones the people 1:07:21.800 --> 1:07:23.400 hearing this from the Lena Connor. 1:07:23.600 --> 1:07:28.720 Lena Khan come on, come, let's talk about the FCC. 1:07:29.040 --> 1:07:35.680 No. No, she said she'd come back on theoretically. 1:07:34.880 --> 1:07:39.880 You know what you're doing, Jesus Christ. 1:07:40.320 --> 1:07:42.800 No, but I you know, twenty twenty five is the 1:07:42.880 --> 1:07:44.200 year that we are all that we are all going 1:07:44.240 --> 1:07:45.360 to have sex with robots. 1:07:45.600 --> 1:07:47.040 I'm excited for some kind. 1:07:46.920 --> 1:07:52.200 Of insane champaign room sex. 1:07:54.400 --> 1:07:56.880 No, I'm waiting for some like some insane like like 1:07:57.040 --> 1:08:01.440 AI power like masturbation tool, because I I was I know, 1:08:01.560 --> 1:08:02.800 I know there's going to be a new one on 1:08:02.840 --> 1:08:04.840 the first year that they did. But there's gonna be 1:08:04.840 --> 1:08:06.080 a new one on the front this year. 1:08:07.040 --> 1:08:14.960 They only sent us the sheaths, the actually handing out. 1:08:18.880 --> 1:08:19.080 This. 1:08:20.400 --> 1:08:25.160 You have to forge this one your it's somebody. 1:08:25.600 --> 1:08:28.040 It's like the most like sex averse group of people 1:08:28.120 --> 1:08:31.320 walking the show floor and you have these like you 1:08:31.439 --> 1:08:36.400 have these people enthusiastically trying to like give people loose, 1:08:36.439 --> 1:08:39.360 and you're like, these people are these people are. 1:08:39.760 --> 1:08:42.240 Similar from countries where you're not allowed to come. 1:08:43.680 --> 1:08:47.840 Yeah, they're actually tell me I can't anyway moving home 1:08:47.880 --> 1:08:50.760 from that one. But I'm so sorry to like the 1:08:50.840 --> 1:08:54.960 respectable like table. We got like awards this year from 1:08:55.000 --> 1:08:57.759 like real business publication. There's some posts like I can't. 1:08:57.560 --> 1:09:00.600 Wait to him this is like, this is good. This 1:09:00.680 --> 1:09:03.760 is actually a pretty big part of how the. 1:09:03.760 --> 1:09:05.920 Fuck do we get gooning into the first episode of 1:09:05.920 --> 1:09:07.680 this goddamn because. 1:09:07.800 --> 1:09:10.080 Because it's what else are you going to do with 1:09:10.120 --> 1:09:14.320 all of those curved all of this curved tvss? 1:09:14.439 --> 1:09:15.880 Because what do you think they do with them after 1:09:15.960 --> 1:09:19.800 they hold the laundry? You know, they put them, put 1:09:19.840 --> 1:09:20.880 them off the line. 1:09:23.160 --> 1:09:23.599 Mistake. 1:09:24.560 --> 1:09:26.960 This is also like one of the one of the 1:09:27.000 --> 1:09:31.600 biggest uses of like all of all of these lbs. 1:09:31.600 --> 1:09:33.400 It's just people using them as sex spots. 1:09:33.479 --> 1:09:35.559 And actually, you know what, I don't mind what people 1:09:35.600 --> 1:09:39.040 do with that, but I will say I don't think 1:09:39.080 --> 1:09:41.280 that they've got anything else other than that. I don't 1:09:41.320 --> 1:09:43.160 think there's any other sticky that's. 1:09:45.680 --> 1:09:47.479 Really walked into that fucking hell. 1:09:49.200 --> 1:09:50.960 No, I actually conquim it sticky. 1:09:51.840 --> 1:09:55.439 I learned a lot socially by meeting other weird freaks 1:09:55.479 --> 1:09:58.439 on World of Warcraft, right and doing role play sex 1:09:58.479 --> 1:10:00.599 with them. That was the way you grew up as 1:10:00.640 --> 1:10:01.599 a seventeen year old. 1:10:01.680 --> 1:10:03.559 Race were you? And what race were they? 1:10:04.200 --> 1:10:07.760 I mean you usually Niels obviously, of course. Okay, it 1:10:07.880 --> 1:10:08.920 was two thousand and seven. 1:10:09.080 --> 1:10:10.679 I mean you could have been a NiFe. You could 1:10:10.680 --> 1:10:13.880 have been a no. No, they were good new No, 1:10:14.720 --> 1:10:15.240 you just you. 1:10:15.360 --> 1:10:18.320 Just tried things on the internet back then. Lou is 1:10:18.360 --> 1:10:18.920 a person. 1:10:19.360 --> 1:10:21.840 But nevertheless, it is funny that that appears to be 1:10:21.880 --> 1:10:25.280 the one use case of like because people are just like, 1:10:25.439 --> 1:10:27.680 just like millions of people getting into erotica for the 1:10:27.720 --> 1:10:31.600 first time. Now this is bartender. Phil just walked in 1:10:31.640 --> 1:10:34.760 and that was the first thing he heard. So very 1:10:34.800 --> 1:10:37.040 good stuff, Phil. All the normals are happening here. 1:10:37.240 --> 1:10:39.679 We're talking about how AI is helping people come. 1:10:41.240 --> 1:10:45.640 M I'm so I'm so sorry. By the way, some 1:10:45.880 --> 1:10:49.439 people who listen to this podcast ostensibly to learn about 1:10:49.439 --> 1:10:52.679 the Rotti economy and the tech industries collapse and now 1:10:52.720 --> 1:10:55.160 everyone's talking about their willies and who hasn't. 1:10:55.840 --> 1:10:57.840 I mean, this is a core part of the industry though, 1:10:57.920 --> 1:11:00.720 like really, like this is why we have a little 1:11:01.280 --> 1:11:02.439 driven yah. 1:11:02.479 --> 1:11:05.400 Yeah, Actually pornography has always driven tech, which is why 1:11:05.520 --> 1:11:07.760 they pulled the AVN away because then they'd have something 1:11:07.840 --> 1:11:11.400 to aspire to. And also that's a profitable industry, right. 1:11:11.360 --> 1:11:14.639 Yeah, you can't remind people there's no money being actually made. 1:11:14.760 --> 1:11:18.160 Yeah, Like, oh my god, this is the thing. I 1:11:18.240 --> 1:11:21.599 really I really didn't think about how likely it would 1:11:21.600 --> 1:11:24.000 be that someone would bring up gooning, let alone on 1:11:24.040 --> 1:11:27.320 the first episode. But I mean, this is still more 1:11:27.320 --> 1:11:30.479 fun I've had any c Yeah, because you go into 1:11:30.479 --> 1:11:33.800 these shows and they are definitely sexless. Yeah, and there 1:11:33.840 --> 1:11:35.720 are definitely guys in the tech industry like if they 1:11:35.800 --> 1:11:37.840 had like good sex, they'd be really happy, Elon Musk 1:11:37.840 --> 1:11:41.240 being one of them. But it's it is also weird 1:11:41.280 --> 1:11:44.520 how just like joyless, it is putting aside horniness deliberately. 1:11:46.400 --> 1:11:48.679 It does just feel very fucking joyless. No one seems 1:11:48.720 --> 1:11:50.360 to I think it's problem in the tech media as well. 1:11:50.439 --> 1:11:52.720 No one seems excited about anything, no one even is 1:11:52.720 --> 1:11:55.280 looking forward to it. It's like a group burden that 1:11:55.360 --> 1:11:57.320 we all share every year. I just refuse to have 1:11:57.400 --> 1:11:58.200 it that way. Anymore. 1:11:58.400 --> 1:12:01.000 Yeah, it's uh. I think it's good. I'm excited for 1:12:01.040 --> 1:12:05.679 the rest of this. I think we probably should close 1:12:05.760 --> 1:12:06.160 things up. 1:12:06.360 --> 1:12:08.920 Oh okay, don't worry. I'm I was just planning to 1:12:08.960 --> 1:12:10.120 and the MC Robert. 1:12:10.400 --> 1:12:13.000 Now, I gotta show you guys some weird AI videos 1:12:13.040 --> 1:12:13.759 after this. 1:12:13.840 --> 1:12:16.880 And I have to peek so little as we do 1:12:16.960 --> 1:12:18.600 our outro. Now, I'm going to talk you through the 1:12:18.600 --> 1:12:20.559 rest of the week. Robert and Gare will be joining 1:12:20.600 --> 1:12:22.840 us again on Friday for one of our two slots. 1:12:22.880 --> 1:12:24.760 But the way this is gonna work is you're gonna 1:12:24.760 --> 1:12:27.000 get this episode. You're listening to this around twelve am 1:12:27.040 --> 1:12:28.800 met I assume that this is the one thing you 1:12:28.840 --> 1:12:32.720 do with your day, and then maybe about eight ten 1:12:32.760 --> 1:12:34.640 hours like are you're gonna get the second episode. Then 1:12:34.680 --> 1:12:37.280 we're gonna have David Roth of Defectory's gonna be joining us. 1:12:37.439 --> 1:12:38.880 My two elves are going to be here to look 1:12:38.880 --> 1:12:40.240 on the floor. I will be going to the floor, 1:12:40.320 --> 1:12:43.440 Yes I will, but not until Wednesday due to situations. 1:12:43.680 --> 1:12:46.040 We will have a gaggle of wonderful reporter as well, 1:12:46.160 --> 1:12:48.840 Jesse Ferrara of your Kickstarter Sucks. We will have a 1:12:48.880 --> 1:12:52.760 real life priest an actual Dominican monk. I'm gonna have 1:12:52.760 --> 1:12:56.840 many more fun things in store. Robert Gare where can 1:12:56.840 --> 1:12:58.879 people find you? 1:12:58.880 --> 1:13:01.160 You can find our d show It could happen here. 1:13:01.240 --> 1:13:04.440 We'll be talking about some of the great AI generated 1:13:04.520 --> 1:13:07.519 movies that I watched today during my panels. 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