Speaker 1: Also media, Hello and welcome to Better Offline live from
Speaker 1: beautiful Las Vegas, Nevada. I am your host and most
Speaker 1: punished man ever to walk this earth, Edward Zitron. I
Speaker 1: live here, I live other places too, and I am
Speaker 1: joined by an incredible crew. This is going to be
Speaker 1: a week long extravaganza, roughly twelve and a half hours
Speaker 1: of What I want to say is radio, but I
Speaker 1: just mean the detritus of society and great reporters coming
Speaker 1: here and reporting live ish from the largest consumer electronics
Speaker 1: show I think in the world. And I just have
Speaker 1: an incredible crew tonight. I have Robert Evans, of course,
Speaker 1: the famous podcaster.
Speaker 2: Representing the detritus section of the team.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and Gar Davis of course.
Speaker 3: Representing the i uh the lower southeast of the United States.
Speaker 1: I am, of course representing the perverts and ed Ongueiso Junior,
Speaker 1: one of my two wonderful reporters who were joining with
Speaker 1: me this entire week. Ed thank you so much for
Speaker 1: coming here, Thanks for having me. Okay, so why are
Speaker 1: we doing this and what are we doing? So? I
Speaker 1: want to walk you through what the experience is like.
Speaker 1: We are sat in a recess level of the Venetian Hotel.
Speaker 1: In the other room is a full bar that we
Speaker 1: set up just for people to come in. Our guest,
Speaker 1: Robert Gere ed Mattasowski, a wonderful producer, and we're going
Speaker 1: to be doing this life to tape all week. This
Speaker 1: is going to be basically a tech radio show about
Speaker 1: a show that has no heart and no soul, a
Speaker 1: show that, as Gere correctly said earlier, is basically the
Speaker 1: same show as a year ago. Except a year ago,
Speaker 1: I was a terrified baby. I had just got handed
Speaker 1: the sword of podcasting. I was afraid of the microphone.
Speaker 1: Now the microphone is afraid of me. And the important
Speaker 1: thing is is that I brought everyone together not just
Speaker 1: to talk to you about this show, but I want
Speaker 1: to give everyone a temperature check of this fucking hellhole.
Speaker 1: Because what happens is reporters come here every year and
Speaker 1: they kind of walk in like they have to visit
Speaker 1: their racist uncle, except their racist uncle doesn't say racism.
Speaker 1: He says artificial intelligence every fucking year, and generally everyone
Speaker 1: here feels kind of miserable. I refuse to have that
Speaker 1: for my people. I refuse to have that for anyone
Speaker 1: in my orbit. So I set up a week long
Speaker 1: piss up where we talk about technology with people who
Speaker 1: actually know what the hell they're talking about and care
Speaker 1: about it. So, yeah, welcome to the Consumer Electronics Show.
Speaker 1: Gare Robert. You have actually seen things today though we
Speaker 1: ed and I only just got in today. What have
Speaker 1: you seen? What horrors?
Speaker 2: Today? I did five hours of back to back panels
Speaker 2: official intelligence at the ARIA, and it was It included
Speaker 2: a number of great moments, including an entire room full
Speaker 2: of people, led by the folks on the panel, laughing
Speaker 2: about people losing their jobs due to artificial intelligence?
Speaker 1: So how did that happen? Like what were they laughing
Speaker 1: at that?
Speaker 2: The MC came up and she was like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do some yes or no questions, and one of
Speaker 2: them was there's going to be a lot of job
Speaker 2: losses due to AI. And like the the I can
Speaker 2: actually pull up who they were from. But like there
Speaker 2: was an initial attempt to be like, no, well it'll
Speaker 2: just be like job job the changes in the way
Speaker 2: jobs are lost, and then someone was like, no, there's
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of job losses, and everybody started
Speaker 2: cackling in the entire room. It was like one of
Speaker 2: the most ghoulish experiences I had. I've had here. I've
Speaker 2: got the audio cued up, so we'll listen to it.
Speaker 1: We can loop that in that that's fucking disgusting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty vile. And then there was there
Speaker 2: was a great moment where like the first panel I
Speaker 2: did today was about uh like AI using AI in Hollywood,
Speaker 2: And so the founder of that company's secret level that
Speaker 2: does like video game themed videos on Netflix and stuff
Speaker 2: Amazon Prime Video, Amazon Prime Sorry, sorry Jesus Rob, but
Speaker 2: he was also one of the team members behind that
Speaker 2: all AI Coca Cola Christmas ad that everybody fucking hated.
Speaker 3: Which I did not realize until you made that connection
Speaker 3: from me that it's it's those guys.
Speaker 4: So if you love those visuals.
Speaker 1: Yeah wait wait, So it was the actual company with
Speaker 1: the coke.
Speaker 2: I mean, there were three companies, but his company was one.
Speaker 1: It took three companies to make the greatest piece of
Speaker 1: art what's made?
Speaker 2: And I don't know what they were doing because he
Speaker 2: came up to show videos that he had just made
Speaker 2: by like inputting text into an automatic image generator, like
Speaker 2: little movies that he'd made, which also looked like shit,
Speaker 2: but looked exactly as good as the fucking Christmas ads.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what were all those companies doing a fucking
Speaker 2: Christmas ad?
Speaker 4: Laundering money?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, this sounds yeah, this cost
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars. Yeah no, no, no, we can't do accounting
Speaker 1: due to stuff. I wonder how much frauda is like
Speaker 1: that in AI at this but look how many just
Speaker 1: guys exist for like yal do your AI integration and
Speaker 1: they just dick around for three months and then they
Speaker 1: connect chat JPT.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was still cheaper than like the traditional
Speaker 2: coke things, but I'm sure there's a lot.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that's even true anymore, Like they don't
Speaker 3: get a.
Speaker 1: Real polar bear, Like no, they certainly they don't. Like
Speaker 1: if they did that, maybe even then I don't think
Speaker 1: it would be as expensive, And it definitely wasn't. It
Speaker 1: was definitely not cheaper on the actual AI side, because
Speaker 1: news came out a couple day or two ago that
Speaker 1: apparently the two hundred dollars a month chat GPT subscription
Speaker 1: loses the money. And this is the thing. This is
Speaker 1: where we are in the tech industry at this point.
Speaker 1: We're in this world where we're meant to get extremely
Speaker 1: erect over the idea of a Coca Cola ad that
Speaker 1: looks like it was from made by the same people
Speaker 1: as the black Hole Sun video. And then we're meant
Speaker 1: to also look at like the apps we use and
Speaker 1: they fucking suck. And then we commit to CS and
Speaker 1: they're like, you know what's going to happen next year,
Speaker 1: the exact same thing that we have.
Speaker 5: Nothing.
Speaker 1: It's there's AI in an oven.
Speaker 2: I think, oh, I'm very exciting, and and a grill.
Speaker 2: There's a grill that has an LM integrated into it.
Speaker 3: Okay, the most exciting thing is that it it only
Speaker 3: gets smarter, It's only going to get better.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's what Jason from Secret Level said. He played
Speaker 2: a video of like a bank heist chase where the
Speaker 2: main character, every time it cut back to him, he
Speaker 2: was dressed differently and his face. At one point, he's
Speaker 2: so sick. He's just driving down a normal city street,
Speaker 2: but there's randomly fires every thirty feet in the road
Speaker 2: because the AI just hallucinated them. Yes, at a certain
Speaker 2: point he crashes and he's on the run from the cops,
Speaker 2: and every time it cuts back to the cops chasing him,
Speaker 2: there's more or less cops from scene to scene.
Speaker 1: This is that's the most realistic.
Speaker 2: But union rules they got a fifteen minute break.
Speaker 5: Listen, it took us fifteen million dollars when we redid
Speaker 5: a six star chase and grand the no, someone said
Speaker 5: it wasn't overtime, and they were like, oh, I got
Speaker 5: the paperwork.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: When we were in Chicago running away from police, if
Speaker 3: you turned the wrong corner, there would be more or
Speaker 3: less cops and what you thought, So, hey, you know
Speaker 3: you gotta give him maybe maybe maybe the benefit of
Speaker 3: the death.
Speaker 2: Would I want to see.
Speaker 1: You have qualified immunity for that?
Speaker 2: Because he was was emphatic that, like all I did
Speaker 2: was read a script into it. Was like this, just
Speaker 2: put it. This is unedited, you know from that. And
Speaker 2: so what they really want to do is put the
Speaker 2: script to Heat into one of these things. Just see
Speaker 2: what that what the big gun fight from Heat looks
Speaker 2: like in this? Does it have that?
Speaker 1: Michael, I'm trying to think of what I put into it,
Speaker 1: Like the Boris Balkan scene from the end of the
Speaker 1: Ninth Gate where he's setting himself on the fire. I
Speaker 1: would I would love to see what they're gonna do.
Speaker 1: But they also like.
Speaker 2: About how about antichrist? I've never seen they do that.
Speaker 1: The end of kids moving.
Speaker 2: Let's just run that through. See what ESPT makes of it.
Speaker 1: This is their favorite lie though they're like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just as symbol as a prompt. Even the cokead that, like,
Speaker 1: we have an editor, we have an editor, we have
Speaker 1: a separate colorist. Because it looks like ship and also
Speaker 1: probably looks completely different. This is the slot they want
Speaker 1: to give us.
Speaker 3: And they're absolutely like hiring like Vick effects like clean
Speaker 3: up artists to like touch up all all of those
Speaker 3: visuals to make them like in any way publishable.
Speaker 2: The colors were completely fucked on this, he complained, because
Speaker 2: all of the comments on this video, which had, by
Speaker 2: the way, for this company the big thing he was,
Speaker 2: every one of the room clapped when they played these things.
Speaker 2: I looked on YouTube. The best of them had like
Speaker 2: fifty thousand views, like like someone, we're just like five
Speaker 2: or six thousand, and the color grade. Everyone in the
Speaker 2: comments is like, the colors on this look like shit.
Speaker 2: His clothing changes, and Jason like referenced that and is like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know people had the complaint, but come on, guys,
Speaker 2: this is the worst it's ever gonna look like that line.
Speaker 2: That's all here.
Speaker 5: I keep seeing. This is the dumbest chatchy BT is ever.
Speaker 4: Gonna take a shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. That's also their defense. Yeah, they're like, hey, it.
Speaker 4: Sucks, yeah all us, it's all uphill from here.
Speaker 2: Like we've all lived through the last eight years. If
Speaker 2: there's one thing everyone knows, it's that things only get.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 1: My shadow theory is because I got open ayes a
Speaker 1: one model to do typos. I hope this is not
Speaker 1: really something I've proven in any way, And indeed the
Speaker 1: academics of us about it have not returned my emails
Speaker 1: due to woke and it's the I saw typos and
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that model collapse is happening. I hope they've
Speaker 1: fed the synthetic data into it, destroying these models, because
Speaker 1: that would actually be the funniest and dumbest way that
Speaker 1: chat GBT just starts like going on the fritz, because
Speaker 1: that's what model collapse. Just for listeners who don't know,
Speaker 1: you go back to March. You should have been listening
Speaker 1: to all the episodes. You go, I'm not my fault.
Speaker 1: Model collapse is when you feed instead of real training
Speaker 1: data from real human being, synthetic stuff created by another model.
Speaker 1: The problem is that human beings are magnificent creatures, very strange.
Speaker 1: Our fuck ups are actually quite hard to recreate. Those
Speaker 1: fuck ups are important for informing things like how words
Speaker 1: and logic are created. So if you have a synthetic version,
Speaker 1: there is something that no one really understands that fucks
Speaker 1: the whole thing up. Anyway, they are currently feeding synthetic
Speaker 1: data into all of these models, so what I'm hoping
Speaker 1: is it focks them up big time, because that would
Speaker 1: be the funniest thing because there's no fixing it.
Speaker 2: There was a comment like that, and I think it was, uh,
Speaker 2: let's see which one of these. Uh, I just want
Speaker 2: to make sure I'm getting that AI Cinematic Spatial and
Speaker 2: x R, which was which was about XR is extended Reality.
Speaker 2: And there was a comment from I think it was
Speaker 2: Rebecca Barkin, but I may be wrong about that. It
Speaker 2: was it was one of the people on the panel.
Speaker 2: It might it might have been a Katie Henson, but
Speaker 2: like something on the lines of, hey, we're still going
Speaker 2: to need human beings to be making stuff because like
Speaker 2: otherwise there won't be anything to feed into the models
Speaker 2: like they were. I forget exactly who it was. Like
Speaker 2: that was like something I like underlined in my notes
Speaker 2: of the panel is like, okay, so you you know
Speaker 2: what you're doing.
Speaker 3: It's also cool that like the point of humans is
Speaker 3: to have is like make things to feed into a model.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, that's all that matters, is that as long
Speaker 3: as we can feed the model, that's fine. That's it's
Speaker 3: the only value we have.
Speaker 5: Here for the market, and you're here for the model. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was the most important thing.
Speaker 1: And what's important to know as well, is anyone saying
Speaker 1: that is not thinking too odd about it because they
Speaker 1: need more training data than exists. Yes, like five to
Speaker 1: fifteen times they don't have it. We're in the stupidest
Speaker 1: fucking era ever. There's a power like a pad of
Speaker 1: where people like, huh, wouldn't it be cool if a
Speaker 1: bunch of people lost their jobs they should turn into
Speaker 1: that scene from Kingsmen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's exactly what I thought.
Speaker 1: Oh, I can change And it's like, this is one
Speaker 1: of the reasons that I really wanted to pull this
Speaker 1: together as well, because ces I don't think the WAYCS
Speaker 1: has been covered traditionally, and actually Garon Robert really opened
Speaker 1: my eyes to list last year because I've been avoiding
Speaker 1: panels for the twelve odd years i've been at CES.
Speaker 2: It's it's easily the best way to see what kind
Speaker 2: of brainworms are going around because people up there just taught,
Speaker 2: and that no one expects to be challenged or there
Speaker 2: to be anyone in the room who's not completely taking
Speaker 2: the kool aid.
Speaker 1: But what's insane is even on the floor. I hadn't
Speaker 1: looked at it properly. I'd always been like, I'm just
Speaker 1: here because I have clients here. So to explain the
Speaker 1: history of this, I've got the bar, I've got the
Speaker 1: suite previously Ashugh's with my dear friend Kevin Roposo works
Speaker 1: at easypr otherwise not mentioned the agency again. We would
Speaker 1: have this suite just kind of network with people who
Speaker 1: have clients journalists, and we stopped doing it off the
Speaker 1: COVID just because it was a lot of fucking money
Speaker 1: for just to piss up, which is always fun. However,
Speaker 1: the way I used to look at the show was
Speaker 1: just like this is all I almost like took it
Speaker 1: in good faith. I was like these people wouldn't spend
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars in a booth where they're lying, well,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you know? And since I started doing better offline,
Speaker 1: and I was truthfully a bit scared when with you
Speaker 1: too last year, I was a bit freaked down. Now
Speaker 1: I'm not very excited, but also I was just flat
Speaker 1: out wrong about big Tech. I thought they I really
Speaker 1: at that point was just like, look, Facebook's evil, met
Speaker 1: as evil. But you know they have something that they get,
Speaker 1: something like Google, same deal. They never do something really
Speaker 1: fucking stupid again and again, and they would and everyone
Speaker 1: here would. And there are things that are at cos
Speaker 1: every year that never get made. If the please, if
Speaker 1: anyone sees the laundry folding robom, that's what.
Speaker 2: If you see them, Yes, vaporware stories, they.
Speaker 1: Are like they have been here. I have been coming
Speaker 1: to see yus since twenty eleven, and those motherfuckers have
Speaker 1: been promising to fold my laundry ever since.
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty ten was my first year nice and I
Speaker 2: think what keyed me into what was really going on
Speaker 2: here was the best like the best product in showy
Speaker 2: that won the award was the Motorola Droid, which was
Speaker 2: not a functional product and did not exist on the
Speaker 2: show floor. All they had was a just the plastic
Speaker 2: model that was working. It was basically just a like
Speaker 2: a digital photo case that was very running, like still
Speaker 2: extream shots off the phone would look because Android was
Speaker 2: still new at this point and it won Best in
Speaker 2: Show and there were functional phones at the show that year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so I remember sending to one of the editors
Speaker 2: at tech Crunch like it I feel like a right,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm new to this like tech reporting thing,
Speaker 2: but it's see, this seems like do you not consider
Speaker 2: this a real problem? This seems like a like a
Speaker 2: serious issue, Like this isn't really journalism if like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is what's winning here because they didn't have a phone.
Speaker 1: If they do, what's wrong with you? But it's true, though,
Speaker 1: there is a general sense of like no, you just
Speaker 1: why would you be mad at this? It doesn't exist.
Speaker 5: It was the future.
Speaker 2: Google has at their booth.
Speaker 1: They brought us the future. How dare you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And what's crazy is that's twenty ten. Today's tech meter
Speaker 1: is slightly upgraded, and that some of them don't do
Speaker 1: them and actually a lot of them are here. A
Speaker 1: lot of the reporters here generally just feel tired when
Speaker 1: I talk to them, and when you ask them what
Speaker 1: their favorite about the show that, they're like, Oh, like
Speaker 1: the LG. I got this big monitor, big television.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see another.
Speaker 4: I'm excited to see what new big curved TV LG.
Speaker 5: And we're gonna build the biggest. It's gonna be the
Speaker 5: most beautiful okay, with the most beautiful oie l O
Speaker 5: L e eds I'm going.
Speaker 1: But it's not what it's gonna be. But to be clear,
Speaker 1: I love the big televisions. I love seeing big stupid
Speaker 1: ship and I wish that was more of it.
Speaker 2: At least the big televisions are television.
Speaker 1: And exactly like you can't really, I guess you can
Speaker 1: lie about like the specs and the monks and well that's.
Speaker 2: Fun, son of a bitch Folds. I watched it.
Speaker 1: I love all that dumb ship.
Speaker 2: Why TV?
Speaker 4: We have gotten so good at TV, we really have.
Speaker 2: It's the only promise technology and it's it's.
Speaker 5: Gonna watch you. It's gonna give you targeted at it's
Speaker 5: gonna give you a chat thought, it's gonna beautiful.
Speaker 2: My mate just brought a replacement for our TV like
Speaker 2: an eighty five, And that's exciting because TV, like it's
Speaker 2: one of those like what the fuck, how does this
Speaker 2: the only thing that that came through? Yeah, just the.
Speaker 4: Second Yeah it was not good. Great, it was good.
Speaker 1: Was it like a C one?
Speaker 4: No, it was.
Speaker 1: It was like a dinosaur picture.
Speaker 4: It was very it was it was very large.
Speaker 2: And then I plugged it into my laptop then to
Speaker 2: play my little game.
Speaker 3: It was very large. The frame rate never quite worked properly.
Speaker 3: All of all of the blacks like did not did
Speaker 3: not show correctly. Everything was really crunched. Very good, very
Speaker 3: very bad, very bad dynamic range, and it just slowly
Speaker 3: got worse over the years. It's it's it's it's something
Speaker 3: I'm still kind of confused by, Like what what.
Speaker 4: What happened to River's TV? A little bit more?
Speaker 3: A little bit, I swear, because every time, every time
Speaker 3: I try to watch a movie, I have never.
Speaker 1: Heard of a television started to decay.
Speaker 3: No, this is actually becoming more more a thing. Although
Speaker 3: TVs have been getting better, the new TVs are making
Speaker 3: faster interesting and this is something that I've noticed mostly
Speaker 3: due to like my friends, consumer choices. Is like I
Speaker 3: I have a TV that my friend gave to me
Speaker 3: like maybe like ten years ago, and it's it's like
Speaker 3: a it's like a tenned EPLG. It works great, movies
Speaker 3: look good. It's not four K, but it's fine. And
Speaker 3: he's gone through like three TV since then that have
Speaker 3: all like broken right, They've all had like, they've all
Speaker 3: had like better specs, they've all like looked really good,
Speaker 3: and then every once in a while something just goes
Speaker 3: like oddly wrong. And this has just become like a
Speaker 3: new pattern with UH, with Panasonics, with LG's, with Sony TV's,
Speaker 3: and although we are getting quite good at like making TVs,
Speaker 3: I feel like their lifespan is kind of shrinking. And
Speaker 3: maybe it's something that I want to like talk to
Speaker 3: people at CS about.
Speaker 1: Honestly, it sounds like consumer electronics in general. I mean,
Speaker 1: my fucking iPhone's brand new, and even then it's fucking
Speaker 1: up already. Yeah, this is early schedule. Shit, we usually
Speaker 1: saved this bad boy for April. That's usually when the
Speaker 1: obsolescence comes in. But now it's just my new favorite
Speaker 1: thing that my fifteen hundred dollars fucking cell phone does
Speaker 1: is when I try and add a song to a playlist.
Speaker 1: I know it's an edge case. No one does that,
Speaker 1: but I did that and it just crashes Apple Music.
Speaker 2: Now I can only add it reasonable burden.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't only got eight cores?
Speaker 1: They only have a specialized piece of silicon in it
Speaker 1: to make it work.
Speaker 2: What sixteen gigs a RAM? You can't handle that on
Speaker 2: sixteen gigs a RAM.
Speaker 1: No, I need my fucking MacBook Pro to do that.
Speaker 1: For my eight chrome types. I can have so format
Speaker 1: change Edwon Graso Junior. Please introduce yourself. Tell everyone about
Speaker 1: your work.
Speaker 5: Okay, I am a tech writer. Write about tech. I
Speaker 5: write about finance, or write about labor a Silicon Valley,
Speaker 5: generally in anything that it's you know, tentacles touch.
Speaker 1: Where'd you write?
Speaker 5: I started advice, Freelance now magazine's news outlet. It's anywhere
Speaker 5: that will let me rant apout Silicon Valley basically.
Speaker 1: So I brought ed here because he wrote many great things.
Speaker 1: But one of my favorite things is is kra Swisher piece.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful piece of right the burn book review
Speaker 1: where you just really put the boots to her. But
Speaker 1: I think c Yes is probably the most Swisher coded
Speaker 1: event for a thing she's never been to, and I
Speaker 1: think it's jarring for the same reason, and that everyone's
Speaker 1: kind of just accepting a reality that isn't true but
Speaker 1: pretending to care. And it's frustrating. And I'm glad you're
Speaker 1: here to see this. This is your only ces, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: my first time. I'm very excited. Linda Yakarino. You're going
Speaker 1: to listen to.
Speaker 2: She's doing a s feeture.
Speaker 3: She has she has the ex Corporation keynote tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I eat.
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't worry, Robert, I I already have it
Speaker 3: in your schedule.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you make his schedules.
Speaker 2: The thing, I don't bring guns to these things because
Speaker 2: I would just myself, like have I just take care
Speaker 2: of that problem in my hotel room.
Speaker 1: Well, you don't look for half an hour going like
Speaker 1: X is the place where it happens and that's the tea. Well,
Speaker 1: I can't wait for you to hear Yakarino talk because
Speaker 1: I'm she's a real yak Aino. Yeah. Sorry, but also
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it because well, you're African American. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I truly do not know how they're going to
Speaker 1: treat you on the floor. Yeah, I don't know how
Speaker 1: they're going to act.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, do we think the school measures are
Speaker 5: going to be out in force? For the ex offender.
Speaker 1: There'll be a guy like really excitedly calling you over.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, we got ai to do this now
Speaker 1: and use my ray bands.
Speaker 5: Oh, it's gonna it's gonna be interesting. I'm very I'm
Speaker 5: also gonna be curious what the hell they're even talking about.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to go in with as little info as
Speaker 5: possible so I can take it in objectively without bias.
Speaker 2: It's like watching Queer. You really just show ye, take
Speaker 2: it all it you know.
Speaker 5: I'm here for the journey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I think that's important as well, because
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I am here for. I want this
Speaker 1: to be a journey. And there are multiple reporters joining us.
Speaker 1: We have Jesse Farrah from Your Kickstarts as Sucks of course,
Speaker 1: and David Roth of course, my second elf. That's what
Speaker 1: I was calling them in my head, of the reporters
Speaker 1: I hired, that's what I'm calling them now, the Elves.
Speaker 1: David Roth of Defecta, a sports journalist, will be joining
Speaker 1: us tomorrow and for the rest of the week other
Speaker 1: than for our spa day on Saturday, which is very unfair,
Speaker 1: very nasty. And right now, our bartender Phil Braun. Now
Speaker 1: you're speaking to the microphone and say hello Phil.
Speaker 5: Hello.
Speaker 1: We will have a full rundown of Phil at some
Speaker 1: point later in the week. But Phil has been joining
Speaker 1: as the bartender here for years and he just handed
Speaker 1: me some so tall, so tall. I'm saying this.
Speaker 5: That's right, it's good.
Speaker 1: I nailed that. It's kind of but that's the thing.
Speaker 1: The whole point of this is journalists come here in
Speaker 1: this oasis. This is the oasis in the middle of
Speaker 1: the bullship. Because see, yes I was telling it earlier.
Speaker 1: There is nowhere to sit down.
Speaker 4: No, they always want you to moving.
Speaker 2: They want you to keep on, keep on traveling through.
Speaker 2: It's like a casino.
Speaker 1: No, you can find place, plenty of places to sit
Speaker 1: down in casinos. This horrible place is an insult to
Speaker 1: our beautiful slot machines and our beautiful tables that we have.
Speaker 1: And they'll get you a seat at the table. Don't worry.
Speaker 1: Please come to my money. And Phil right now is
Speaker 1: gesturing because Phil is our wonderful bartenderho is bringing us
Speaker 1: drinks as the show goes, Probably not on the first
Speaker 1: half episodes, definitely on the.
Speaker 2: Second Paloma, Okay, can I get something with the kill?
Speaker 1: Wow? I don't give that went flawlessly? Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: that was an example of the bar working, but actually
Speaker 1: that is actually the bar working.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: No. So the point of this week, though, is we
Speaker 1: want to be the oasis within a tech industry gone
Speaker 1: wrong and a conference that's gone wrong. No one likes
Speaker 1: coming here to cover this. No one is excited, everyone's depressed.
Speaker 1: We will not be. We will be probably not, in
Speaker 1: my case, sloppy, just in case the lawyers ask. But
Speaker 1: everyone else can be. Well, the reporters we bring here.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have two episodes each day, ninety episodes. Jesus
Speaker 1: Christ's already doing great, and it's gonna be a lot.
Speaker 1: But I want to bring you diverse voices. I want
Speaker 1: to bring you the people that have been here forever
Speaker 1: and the people who are just being exposed to this.
Speaker 1: The reason we have Ed and David is we really
Speaker 1: don't want this to be a fucking tech no offense
Speaker 1: to techn it. We don't want this to be a
Speaker 1: tech reported thing. We actually want this to be a
Speaker 1: temperature check of this industry.
Speaker 2: You know that I always there's a lot to like
Speaker 2: roll my eyes out and be frustrated by. I always
Speaker 2: really like CEES. And when Gear first started coming to this,
Speaker 2: the way I explained your job at CEES as a
Speaker 2: good journalist is you are here to be a terrorist,
Speaker 2: find the richest asshole you can find and makes their day.
Speaker 1: That is a joke.
Speaker 2: No, not in a legal sense, but in an emotional
Speaker 2: terrorize there, harass them over something that overlies that they're talent.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, and like the the hive mind, like group
Speaker 3: think mentality here is like crazy because you you will
Speaker 3: walk into a panel and you you will start hearing
Speaker 3: people say like insane ship and you look around to
Speaker 3: be like ha ha ha, that's crazy, right, and everyone's
Speaker 3: like no, not a long enthusiastically, and it slightly makes
Speaker 3: you question your own sanity.
Speaker 4: Never once there was a complete certainty.
Speaker 1: Someone I would posted on Twitter the other day They're like,
Speaker 1: would you trust a clone of yourself? And everyone was
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't. I be like absolutely, it's we would
Speaker 1: fucking cook anyway. Complete certain But it's so weird though,
Speaker 1: You're right, and people walk around and like damn, really
Speaker 1: so the AI for my pant, how's that going to work?
Speaker 3: It's crazy, and it like because everyone is so bought
Speaker 3: into it. If you make any objection during like any
Speaker 3: kind of like shocking, any kind of Q and a panel,
Speaker 3: like people like are so surprised. It's it's like it's
Speaker 3: like you're a heretic. It's it's it's it's it's it's insane.
Speaker 3: It's like you don't believe in like the project of humanity.
Speaker 1: Two of these people, it's like you don't believe in
Speaker 1: Santa Claus.
Speaker 2: My sex wild one of these. When Rugged super Rugged
Speaker 2: speakers were like a massive product that you could find
Speaker 2: like half a dozen booths selling them. I would just
Speaker 2: go there and I would ask, can I can I
Speaker 2: test them out? Can I like drop them and stuff?
Speaker 2: And then I would pick up the heaviest object block
Speaker 2: because they usually had like flogs or something to post
Speaker 2: them on, and I would just break stuff on the
Speaker 2: show floor and it worked every time. They would always break,
Speaker 2: oh a bunch of stuff. And I learned that from
Speaker 2: we went to see a demo where they were they
Speaker 2: were showing off like an indestructible smartphone and they were
Speaker 2: doing it by like they pulled out all the journalists.
Speaker 2: I think we were in front of Caesar's palace and
Speaker 2: they were driving a limousine over the phone and then
Speaker 2: they would do it, and then the next troop of
Speaker 2: journals would come up and they would let a journalist
Speaker 2: set it down. And I don't know who this was.
Speaker 2: I wish i'd gotten his name, because he taught me
Speaker 2: one of the best lessons I ever learned. They were
Speaker 2: laying the phones flat, and he just wedged it under
Speaker 2: the wheel on its side, and they just drove over
Speaker 2: just to stop it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's.
Speaker 2: Being a journalist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but actually that's a very good metaphor for what's
Speaker 1: going on at the moment. Everyone's like, well, they say
Speaker 1: it works, we'll be fun.
Speaker 5: Would they lie about it?
Speaker 1: Why would they possibly lie about chat GPT becoming super intelligence?
Speaker 2: Do you hear that?
Speaker 1: Fucking Samuel? That motherfucker. He's not here. He's not here.
Speaker 1: This is, by comparison, this is pretty real stuff. Where's
Speaker 1: Sam Olman? He should be giving like a vacuous keynote
Speaker 1: about how this is going to replace doctors.
Speaker 5: He's doing the real work.
Speaker 1: He's doing the real work building by which he means
Speaker 1: trying to like leverage his his startup capital.
Speaker 2: As I read today, we're just thousands of days away from.
Speaker 1: That was said a few months ago, so we're actually
Speaker 1: about nine hundred and.
Speaker 4: That was a few thousand days.
Speaker 1: I love that, Honestly, I need to set a calendar
Speaker 1: invite for that. I need days from now, because I
Speaker 1: have Sam Worman's number and he is yet too. Takes
Speaker 1: me back.
Speaker 4: Oh I am.
Speaker 3: I am bummed that we haven't seen Palenteer here in
Speaker 3: recent years, because oh, they've.
Speaker 1: Seen you though I.
Speaker 2: Showed up. I can say this now. We showed up
Speaker 2: with a flipper zero and we're just turning off all
Speaker 2: of the televisions at the Pallenteer boo. They were doing demos.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, someone probably got fired about it. Actually know,
Speaker 1: someone was probably like, oh i'll fix this. No, someone
Speaker 1: did that one ces and they got in a lot
Speaker 1: of drops. Oh yeah, because they video themselves doing it,
Speaker 1: which is the classic thing you do with crime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that, which is why I did not
Speaker 2: about it except the shelf exactly.
Speaker 1: You put it on a podcast years later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I approved.
Speaker 1: You did it once. Yes, I did try a bit
Speaker 1: three or four times before I started getting anxious, which
Speaker 1: was I would just pick up something and ask if
Speaker 1: I could have it, and just like picked up the
Speaker 1: edge of it.
Speaker 2: Can I have this?
Speaker 1: And they look at you and they're like.
Speaker 4: Like sometimes they say yes though, which is why you
Speaker 4: have to do it every lot of free sh You
Speaker 4: actually really can't surprisingly walk away with some really odd stuff.
Speaker 1: I bet they. Eventually a security person looked at me
Speaker 1: in a kind of like should I memorize this guy's face? Well,
Speaker 1: and I thought, I don't want to be arrested at
Speaker 1: fucking ces. No. My lawyer will just be like again.
Speaker 2: I'm not coming to your arraignment. Yeah, I know you're
Speaker 2: on your own bit. I know you're paid up, but
Speaker 2: I'm not doing you.
Speaker 1: Fucking work this out, smart guy. Yeah, well you pick up,
Speaker 1: pick up the judges gavel and ask if you can
Speaker 1: have this? Click fucking ydie.
Speaker 2: Well, speaking as a judge, that's very offensive.
Speaker 1: Are you you were judged?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: This is not good.
Speaker 2: This is a punicipal judge for the state of New Mexico.
Speaker 2: I got sworn in. I'm good.
Speaker 1: What the fuck?
Speaker 4: Right next door?
Speaker 2: Right next door, very high the border. A fan of
Speaker 2: mine is a judge and was like, did you know
Speaker 2: that judges can just make other judges? Like thing, I gotta,
Speaker 2: I gotta.
Speaker 4: You can make all of us judges.
Speaker 2: No, it's again, it's it's it's interview with the vampire rules. Okay,
Speaker 2: so the youngest vampire does not have the power to
Speaker 2: make other vamps, and it's kind of unclear to me.
Speaker 4: Your mate does.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I's still the start of this situation.
Speaker 1: But I can't how do I become an older vampire though?
Speaker 1: Because you realize that my goal here is not just
Speaker 1: to become a judge myself, but start making more judges.
Speaker 2: That I don't know, because I have not looked up
Speaker 2: anything about Dodge.
Speaker 3: This would be all I'd look We got to ask
Speaker 3: the people this, but they have to know.
Speaker 1: I would get made to judge, and then the first
Speaker 1: thing I would be googling is how to make more judge,
Speaker 1: and I would be making those.
Speaker 5: Of your first five judges that you're making.
Speaker 1: I mean all of you other than Robert obviously, I
Speaker 1: would know. It would be like the entirety of cool
Speaker 1: Zone media. You make everyone judges.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we can all go We can all
Speaker 2: go to New Mexico and do a blood Meridian fuck yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: well yeah, there was actually a lot of child if
Speaker 2: you send that guys back.
Speaker 1: So this is the format that you're going to have
Speaker 1: for the entire week with Better Offline. Because this is
Speaker 1: also something because after a year of doing this, I'm
Speaker 1: just trying everything, and I do think that Tech also
Speaker 1: kind of needs a talk show. And the reason I
Speaker 1: say that is Tech has got everything. It's got finance,
Speaker 1: it's got basically sports team shit. Do you like anthropic?
Speaker 1: Do you like open ai? And the thing is that
Speaker 1: really is like a let's think Cowboys jet situation, and
Speaker 1: that's gonna hurt someone's feelings. I'm very happy about that anyway,
Speaker 1: moving on from them, you've also got a bunch of
Speaker 1: gossip and you've got a bunch of shittheads that you
Speaker 1: can be pissed off at an actual, real events And
Speaker 1: I just think that nails. This format nail. And that's
Speaker 1: why I'm excited to start with all of you, because
Speaker 1: at the end of the first day, everyone feels a
Speaker 1: certain way dread for the rest of the week, sad
Speaker 1: about the horrible things they saw, or just wondering why
Speaker 1: they're doing the fucking job they're doing. They just no,
Speaker 1: none of us in this room. It's just very It's
Speaker 1: an interesting way when you talk to the tech media
Speaker 1: to see how they are doing, but also people who work.
Speaker 1: I wish I could get more people off the floor,
Speaker 1: but I don't want fucking companies on here. That would
Speaker 1: be so boring.
Speaker 5: How did you feel your first cushen and you're going
Speaker 5: around on So I was just a child back then,
Speaker 5: I was twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: I can't do imagine. Yeah, when I was a young boy.
Speaker 2: That one.
Speaker 1: I have some stories I can't tell, but I was
Speaker 1: a young I was a young PR person and I
Speaker 1: loved it because it was like twenty eleven, so before
Speaker 1: we realized tech had problems, we were just like ignoring them.
Speaker 2: Well, and this was back to when the porn industry
Speaker 2: trade show was at the same time.
Speaker 1: How I was terrified for them.
Speaker 2: I watched Steve Balmer get out of a fucking h
Speaker 2: L elevator with two porn stars that were even taller
Speaker 2: than him, and he is massive.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was amazing just from me. It was like watching
Speaker 2: Greek gods straight across the field. Yeah, the goad of
Speaker 2: sweat he did smell exactly like, yeah, you smoke crazy
Speaker 2: and I leaked that to another tech pub.
Speaker 1: Very that's fucking journalism, right, But my first used to
Speaker 1: be fun when I was stupid, when I was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: this will happen. And also twenty eleven there was still
Speaker 1: new lands to Conka. They still had new fun things
Speaker 1: to find, new things that they could make that they
Speaker 1: could actually make good on. I think it's been like
Speaker 1: five or six years of them just being like, we
Speaker 1: don't have it, there's nothing.
Speaker 2: That we've got, nothing else.
Speaker 4: It's it's like I was.
Speaker 3: So lucky that my first es the big thing was
Speaker 3: like crypto NFTs and.
Speaker 4: So like like.
Speaker 1: So one of the lasting industries I knew.
Speaker 3: Going into that, like everything I hear here, everything I
Speaker 3: hear in this convention is complete bullshit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then the next year I came, the big thing
Speaker 3: was the metaverse. So again everything I hear here is bullshit.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And you've just been able.
Speaker 3: To like slowly watch the life and drain from the
Speaker 3: people's eyes because they know, like every every year there's
Speaker 3: like this new thing that's supposed to be like the
Speaker 3: new thing, like this is this is what we have
Speaker 3: done as an industry, and it and it and like
Speaker 3: it doesn't.
Speaker 4: It doesn't work dry and and and it's.
Speaker 3: It's odd because like this year is the first year
Speaker 3: where there hasn't really actually been anything new. It's just
Speaker 3: it's the same as last year. It's just more AI
Speaker 3: stuff Again.
Speaker 1: I actually think twenty twenty four was pretty ahead of
Speaker 1: the pack. I was gonna say, this is this year.
Speaker 5: I keep seeing places be like, this is the year
Speaker 5: of agents. They're gonna show agents.
Speaker 2: They were talking about that a lot in panels.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the one thing I've seen in the panel list
Speaker 3: is like there's been a lot more integration for like
Speaker 3: content creators and like streamers, right, And even saw this
Speaker 3: with the Golden Globes a few days ago, how like
Speaker 3: they let tons of streamers and influencers onto the carpet
Speaker 3: for like the first time. And there's way more panels
Speaker 3: this year that's about like how do we like get
Speaker 3: this whole like streaming ecosystem that's like separate from like
Speaker 3: legacy media and even like legacy like tech media, Like
Speaker 3: how do we how do we get that into our sphere?
Speaker 2: And that was a big thing they talked about in
Speaker 2: my third panel, AI Cinematics, Spatial and XR the next
Speaker 2: level of creativity.
Speaker 4: I am putting a gun into that.
Speaker 2: They were specifically talking about how uh you know nowadays,
Speaker 2: like you know, individual creators can be as big as studios.
Speaker 2: And then someone of the panels like, well not really,
Speaker 2: like not in.
Speaker 3: Any way that's actually made I'm excited to see the
Speaker 3: new movie from Destiny personally, really excited to see he.
Speaker 4: Is trying that he actually is trying.
Speaker 1: I would love movie just Wikipedia to life.
Speaker 2: There was a there was a great moment in there
Speaker 2: speaking of like failed Ces's past where they like, because
Speaker 2: the extend XR stands for extended reality, which is just metaverse.
Speaker 3: It's just the metaverse. But they can't say that because
Speaker 3: they will get murdered, and that's.
Speaker 2: What they said that. Well, they were like, you can't
Speaker 2: say ever it's yes anymore, but we all know it's
Speaker 2: a real thing.
Speaker 5: They say web three at any point, oh so much.
Speaker 1: Arrested people.
Speaker 3: They are characters. They still do say like they still
Speaker 3: definitely say web three, which is insane.
Speaker 1: Is one. Yeah, well I'm just shocked they still say
Speaker 1: metaverse with a straight face, even like talking about this nonsense.
Speaker 1: But also x are x is a great term because
Speaker 1: it's been around for a while, and it usually just
Speaker 1: means I don't know if this is mixed reality or
Speaker 1: virtual reality. I don't know what device I'm selling this on.
Speaker 2: You guys. Seeing this panel was Charlie Fink, who's like
Speaker 2: the oldest of the metaverse. He's like a Forbes writer
Speaker 2: who is like an old school he's writing. He wrote
Speaker 2: a metaverse book in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: Honestly mad respect for actually like knowing stuff early. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'd agree with all of the assumptions
Speaker 1: such as the metaverse existing.
Speaker 2: That was my big disagreement with him, that it's a thing,
Speaker 2: because they were just on the metaverse is just you know,
Speaker 2: attempts to extend the Internet into every day life, and
Speaker 2: I was like, no, no, no, that's that's just.
Speaker 4: That's just the Internet.
Speaker 2: That's just every day life. That's not the metaverse. That
Speaker 2: I can now order food to be delivered to my
Speaker 2: house are fairly.
Speaker 1: I do miss that period in the media though, when
Speaker 1: it was just like anything anything. They're like, yeah, they're
Speaker 1: going to have share houses, and then now we're going
Speaker 1: to have we're going to live in the meta We're
Speaker 1: going to live in the meta us, and that.
Speaker 2: People spend money on nikes in the metaverse, and you'd
Speaker 2: have banks in the meta better.
Speaker 1: Absolutely didn't they have like an Alby's in the meta use.
Speaker 2: That's the only thing they were right. Is the only
Speaker 2: way I'm getting into it Rby's is if I know
Speaker 2: I cannot make physical content.
Speaker 1: Someone too good for the for the the meat for
Speaker 1: the beat. The meats are not for you. But also
Speaker 1: what's important is I think we need to meet everyone
Speaker 1: who goes to the digital arbies and then connect them
Speaker 1: with mental health personnel, because not a red flag for
Speaker 1: a list, but I think you've got like therapists could
Speaker 1: be met. This is your therapy in the metaverse? Yeah problem,
Speaker 1: So yeah, not doing it in the fucking real world
Speaker 1: if they're in the metaverse arbies. But it's so funny
Speaker 1: as well that everyone's like the metaverse is happening, and
Speaker 1: then they're like, oh, how did you get in there?
Speaker 1: It's very simple. We have this expensive and uncomfortable stuff.
Speaker 1: Does it make you sick sometimes yes? Does it physically
Speaker 1: hurt yes, But when you get in there it sucks.
Speaker 4: Vision Pro dropped less than a year ago, and did they.
Speaker 1: Discontinue it, No? They just no, there was oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't believe that review.
Speaker 5: There was one of the Apple products.
Speaker 1: They discontinue something that that sounds like Apple eventually, like
Speaker 1: they just give up.
Speaker 2: Check that.
Speaker 1: No no, no. So the vision Pro I know people
Speaker 1: are very upset with the fake news. People are very
Speaker 1: upset with me about my vision Pro review. Very unfair.
Speaker 1: It was second episode.
Speaker 2: There is still learning, but got something there is.
Speaker 4: Sorry.
Speaker 3: The most reputable outlet, game rant yea says that Apple
Speaker 3: has reportedly ceased production of the headset.
Speaker 2: Really well and that's the New York Times of ranting Edge.
Speaker 1: Congratulations, you have won one off first.
Speaker 3: Apparent apparently system game Rant is citing an article in
Speaker 3: another website called the Information dot com.
Speaker 1: The information more or less, it's real ish, it's real,
Speaker 1: is the information.
Speaker 5: I would just climb up that very high page. They've
Speaker 5: improved crazy, yeah, so be able to get around every
Speaker 5: single one now.
Speaker 2: But also it's hard. It's hard now.
Speaker 1: I feel like it was kind of insane. That was
Speaker 1: more insane to me than crypto, and crypto is pretty insane.
Speaker 1: But it's like, oh, how I'm gonna get in the
Speaker 1: metaverse this very shitty fucking headset that sucks Vision Pro
Speaker 1: was pretty good. I know my review. I know people
Speaker 1: are upset that I liked the product. There was potential there,
Speaker 1: they just did not access it.
Speaker 2: Apple has the money for there to be potential there.
Speaker 2: But I still maintained that Steve and I'm not a
Speaker 2: guy as you know ed having said it from the hours, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not a guy who worships Steve Jobs. I don't
Speaker 2: think he would have let that product out yet.
Speaker 1: No, No, it needs like two or three years. But
Speaker 1: it had potential even then. Though this is the biggest
Speaker 1: company intake, they're really only company capable of making consumer
Speaker 1: electronics that are actually good anymore, like everyone else is
Speaker 1: kind of like just mostly making up and maybe putting
Speaker 1: shit together. Yes, they're company like Frame. There are there
Speaker 1: are others, but like the biggest, and they're like, here
Speaker 1: is our best.
Speaker 2: Go at it.
Speaker 1: And when I tried to watch June on my Vision
Speaker 1: Pro and a fly back from London, I got the
Speaker 1: worst migraine of my life. What was I was really
Speaker 1: enjoying the film, and actually the Giant Scream was super cool,
Speaker 1: but I was in so much pain. I took it
Speaker 1: off and I was like sweating.
Speaker 5: Well, that was the extended reality of the Irakis.
Speaker 4: It was extending your reality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I say it, that is how it feels
Speaker 2: to read past the third book.
Speaker 1: Okay, but what's important was I really watched too much
Speaker 1: of that movie and I had like a migraine felix
Speaker 1: a day.
Speaker 5: Or two, like you see the Golden Path.
Speaker 4: The Pain, but I did not.
Speaker 1: I watched like the beginning of the film. I do
Speaker 1: not know the po that's gonna be you that Robert
Speaker 1: on the first episode of Better Offline will be the
Speaker 1: shihlud of content. I'm like, ah, yeah, j as we go.
Speaker 4: That has been proven completely drue that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I live from a different era in which all
Speaker 2: of my friends in high school none of us had sex.
Speaker 2: We all had very strong opinions about it.
Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you, I too come from a
Speaker 1: rich line of not fuckers and not having sex in
Speaker 1: high school at all. Absolutely my thing was ever quest. Okay,
Speaker 1: one might say I was even cooler than you were.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was wow for me.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I got into well later it was like
Speaker 1: getting off of cocaine to do heroin. Yeah, yeah, barely
Speaker 1: worked on me. I just gave up after a while,
Speaker 1: turned to drinking anyway, it's just great that this is
Speaker 1: the tech industry now. It's just the group hallucination where
Speaker 1: we all go, yeah, fuck it this as we sit
Speaker 1: here and talk, and I know I'm grinding this act
Speaker 1: quite hard, but we're hearing a lot about AI in
Speaker 1: this fucking conference. Everyone's staple in chat, GBT and anthropics
Speaker 1: clawed to everything, and it's like, okay, great, but we
Speaker 1: are sitting here and every major company is not making
Speaker 1: a single fucking dollar, actually losing money on this, and
Speaker 1: I feel a bit insane. I feel a bit crazy
Speaker 1: every day because every every day I look out the
Speaker 1: window intake and we're just like, our biggest thing is
Speaker 1: everyone burning money. I've now seen two stories in the
Speaker 1: last week from major publications going what if AI is
Speaker 1: a bubble? Which is probably the most worrying songs, Like
Speaker 1: The Economist had one that was like, what if a
Speaker 1: bubble bursting was good? What if it was good that
Speaker 1: the bubble burst, which is insane because there is a
Speaker 1: David Leonard story in the New York Times saying that
Speaker 1: a housing bubble burst in the six o seven region
Speaker 1: would have been a good idea too. And let me
Speaker 1: tell you, I don't know history super well, but I
Speaker 1: don't think the housing bubble bursting went well for anyone.
Speaker 5: No, So.
Speaker 3: You need to have the disruptor mindset right, And the problem.
Speaker 3: The problem with the bubbles is that as they get
Speaker 3: bigger and bigger, it stifles innovation in other areas because
Speaker 3: we're all focusing on this bubble, right, So as soon
Speaker 3: as it bursts, now, now you have so many more
Speaker 3: opportunities to really disrupt who knows how many other industries.
Speaker 2: Well, let me do. During the housing bubble, we had
Speaker 2: to innovate by like eating ninety nine cent burritos, and
Speaker 2: now four dollars of those stretched through some people.
Speaker 3: And now we have airbnbs taking over half half of
Speaker 3: entire neighborhoods.
Speaker 4: Innovation so much better.
Speaker 1: That's good. Innovates sleeping and people were really they were
Speaker 1: innovating ways to top themselves. When I moved to New
Speaker 1: York in two thousand and eight, that was great. Fortunate people.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. You're not really going to have people
Speaker 1: doing themselves in on this one. But I don't think
Speaker 1: people realize the bubble bursting is going to be very
Speaker 1: bad for two reasons. One, all the tech stock's going
Speaker 1: to take a kind of a haircut. But also I
Speaker 1: think CS is kind of a bad omen the fact
Speaker 1: that there this is basically two thousand and four CS.
Speaker 1: That kind of speaks to the large problem I've talked
Speaker 1: about before, which is they don't seem to have a
Speaker 1: new thing. AI isn't new, and that's not working, and
Speaker 1: they're like, well, what if we put AI in a
Speaker 1: in a we can laugh at the kind of like
Speaker 1: AI in the oven thing, but really beneath the surface
Speaker 1: here and I look forward to seeing the shuffle on
Speaker 1: myself for this, there is this undercurrent of what the
Speaker 1: fuck do we do it? What? What we what do
Speaker 1: we doing that?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 1: How do we make money now?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 1: What the money? And please?
Speaker 2: I think Ed had a really good point, which is
Speaker 2: that obviously what they see is AI agents being the future,
Speaker 2: and those kept getting brought up and what's one of them?
Speaker 1: What did they say to me?
Speaker 2: It's interesting to me is that obviously there's a there's
Speaker 2: a lot of potential value in being able to do
Speaker 2: something like say, hey, I want to plan a trip
Speaker 2: to this this and this location, sure, and having a
Speaker 2: thing that can book it. That's that's not a multi
Speaker 2: billion dollar industry. But there's utility or to being able
Speaker 2: to be like being able to plan out like five
Speaker 2: or six different meals that you want to you know,
Speaker 2: repeat over the course of a week or two and
Speaker 2: then like plan out or there. There's some utility there.
Speaker 2: But the way people talk about AI agents isn't in
Speaker 2: that way. It's about another living thing that they like
Speaker 2: bounce ideas off of and invite socially into their lives.
Speaker 2: There was a lady at the uh the first panel
Speaker 2: today which was about like AI in entertainment, who was
Speaker 2: like and my agent. Obviously she just is growing every
Speaker 2: year or every day, and it was like talking about
Speaker 2: her like a person like gendering she does her AI agent.
Speaker 1: I must be clear, what was she talking about?
Speaker 2: Her AI agent?
Speaker 1: Okay, but does this thing exist? No?
Speaker 4: No, no, Me and my rabbit have a very intimate relationship.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, real fuck up pets man, believe No.
Speaker 2: No, she didn't say which product she was using, but
Speaker 2: there are a couple of them out right. Just to
Speaker 2: be clear, character AI was on people.
Speaker 1: Talk, that's not an agent. Oh my fucking god, I
Speaker 1: have to do this, okay, yeah, an AI agent?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, that's what if she she was referencing because it
Speaker 2: might have been like her co pilot or some shit.
Speaker 1: A co pilot is also not an agent. An AI
Speaker 1: agent is meant to be an autonomous AI that goes
Speaker 1: out and does shit and can do things and then
Speaker 1: respond to things based on how people.
Speaker 2: Big part of it's like what Rabbit was trying to
Speaker 2: sell with the R one lass.
Speaker 1: Rabbit wasn't even doing that. They were just doing like
Speaker 1: the very early stage agents, which is, okay, you're technically correct,
Speaker 1: which is that agents are meant to be they take
Speaker 1: actions for you. That's the official definition. But what everyone's
Speaker 1: talking about with agents, and this has driving me fucking
Speaker 1: insane because no one really wants to talk about the
Speaker 1: reality here is they're talking about I will staple a
Speaker 1: few fucking lms to each other, and then enough llllms
Speaker 1: will talk to each other that things will just start happening,
Speaker 1: kind of like the Incredible Machine if you ever played
Speaker 1: They just like a Rubegoldberg situation, he says, not really
Speaker 1: knowing that reference Peebee's Playhouse. I don't know. Nevertheless, these
Speaker 1: series of actions then allow theoretically this thing to do
Speaker 1: something at the end. The big common one, right, now
Speaker 1: is sales sales agents. These things are insanely expensive, and
Speaker 1: I have yet to hear of one that does more
Speaker 1: than send emails and answer emails. And I've yet to
Speaker 1: really see anyone explain how anything else is fucking possible.
Speaker 1: And the thing is people will say agent about anything.
Speaker 1: Character to AI is just an LLLM company.
Speaker 2: That like they got a kid to kill themselves.
Speaker 1: Insane, but also just like has like a denarious tulgarian
Speaker 1: bot that will also be a therapy. It's fucking insane,
Speaker 1: of course, So that's not an agent. Chat GPT not
Speaker 1: an agent. They want to said, I'm so glad you
Speaker 1: brought this up, because it's like this agentic thing is
Speaker 1: their next bullshit. But I cannot be clear enough. If
Speaker 1: you think regular lms are expensive, imagine a bunch of
Speaker 1: lms playing dipshit tennis with each other. That is how
Speaker 1: agents work.
Speaker 5: You know, I think you know in sixteen Z is
Speaker 5: really big on this. There's a there's a manifesto, one
Speaker 5: of their many manifestos they hear they say, every child
Speaker 5: will have an AI tutor that is infinitely patient, infinitely compassionate,
Speaker 5: infinitely knowledgeable, infinitely helpful, infinite and then they say that
Speaker 5: every person will have an AI assistant slash coach, slash
Speaker 5: mentor slash trainer slash advisor.
Speaker 2: How can it be metor it doesn't know how to
Speaker 2: do things?
Speaker 4: Slash therapist slash therapist. That's good, that's good.
Speaker 5: It's infinitely patient and infinite compassionate, definitely knowledgeable, and infinitely helpful.
Speaker 3: I just they want a friend without having to do
Speaker 3: any of the work. That makes like having a friendship.
Speaker 5: Yes, not only.
Speaker 1: Makes these pople therapy, but also on top of that,
Speaker 1: if everyone keeps talking about this idea and I think
Speaker 1: they've been doing it for years, and this of AI
Speaker 1: being your assistant, why are there no AI assistants that work? Yes,
Speaker 1: you can make your phone do reminders now. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: on like the sixteenth seventeenth iPhone and we can now
Speaker 1: make Siri most of the time understand.
Speaker 4: Something like half the time for me.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the British sery actually understands me unlike most people.
Speaker 4: I have set a Scottish theory. But maybe maybe why
Speaker 4: maybe I like I like the way.
Speaker 2: The way one of the panels where they are like
Speaker 2: is voice the new operating system.
Speaker 1: I am going to kill myself, I will kill on.
Speaker 2: The panel was British and was like, well, usually they
Speaker 2: don't understand what I'm saying, so like all of the
Speaker 2: Americans were like, oh, absolutely, and the one person with
Speaker 2: an accent was like, I probably not.
Speaker 1: Okay. That makes me so angry because when fucking Alexa
Speaker 1: came out, we would we did this one already. We've
Speaker 1: done this one already. I've I have already done pitching
Speaker 1: for clients about voice being it wasn't guess what it
Speaker 1: was not the future because it turns out that talking
Speaker 1: is annoying.
Speaker 5: Well, I've been seeing discussions about this. I saw someone
Speaker 5: online try to be like Scarlett Johansson fumbled the bag yes,
Speaker 5: and it's like, whoa what bag? Yeah. They were saying
Speaker 5: that if she had simply let open AI use her voice,
Speaker 5: she would have been the future of AI Voice forever, like.
Speaker 3: Achieved immortalities, be like the AI Voice for generations.
Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, just like you know what happened with Alexa, right,
Speaker 5: I don't think that happened with Siri. I know the
Speaker 5: voice actors, all of them, I know them personally.
Speaker 1: Gramble Chambers my favorite, like what a.
Speaker 3: Bad like business decision for an actress, because now you'll
Speaker 3: have like kids who grow up with like like Alexa
Speaker 3: machines in their house, and then they'll watch a movie
Speaker 3: and be like, oh wow, the Alex is in. It's
Speaker 3: like it's like a voice servant.
Speaker 4: It's Siri.
Speaker 2: Casting directors will be like, well, Scarlett Johansson, No, she's that.
Speaker 2: She's that lady who everybody has to talk to get
Speaker 2: a dentist appointment. Nobody wants in a movie. Like, it's
Speaker 2: a terrible idea to be that.
Speaker 1: You mean lost in translation.
Speaker 5: I've watched her a little too many times as really
Speaker 5: one of the one of the factors that keeps coming
Speaker 5: in here, this idea that the voice is gonna be
Speaker 5: the transcendent thing there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I and also that it can do more than
Speaker 1: it can, because I don't think people realize and I
Speaker 1: know this due to my accent, how fucking bad voice is.
Speaker 1: Even in the best case. It just does not. Sometimes
Speaker 1: the things it hears are truly insane. And the more
Speaker 1: data you have in your phone, the more numbers and
Speaker 1: names you have, the more insane. The idea is, I
Speaker 1: don't need to text someone I know from North Carolina
Speaker 1: eleven years ago and I certainly don't need to text
Speaker 1: them about the burger I'm ordering. Was I ordering a bugger?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I was trying to do a meeting related thing. But
Speaker 1: did this fucking thing hear me? But also it just
Speaker 1: angers me that I have to hear this. It's been
Speaker 1: like a decade. I thought we got away from this
Speaker 1: fucking angle. No, very foulmouth to that. I apologize to the.
Speaker 5: Well, at the very least, at least there's no crypto.
Speaker 2: To us, right. Oh, I'm sure we'll hit some I
Speaker 2: haven't run into it yet.
Speaker 4: I'm sniffing it out.
Speaker 2: No, I didcause one of the women on one of
Speaker 2: the panels worked for Republic, which is an app that
Speaker 2: allows you to everyone to do in like venture capital
Speaker 2: investing with as little as twenty five dollars sick and yeah,
Speaker 2: and also invest in crypto at the same time.
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 2: And the one review of it said like, it's a
Speaker 2: great service if you want to diversify, but it's extremely
Speaker 2: risky and everyone loses money that's not diversified.
Speaker 3: I guess people are still reeling from hawk to a coin,
Speaker 3: so maybe that might be more on the down low.
Speaker 2: Uh here, I really I.
Speaker 1: Love that she is probably in trouble the SEC. I
Speaker 1: love that the SEC is.
Speaker 5: Gonna go somewhere with no extradition, tweet a bit, and
Speaker 5: then get extra.
Speaker 1: People lacked the moxy of the classic scam artist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, you.
Speaker 1: Do that when you're in Costa Rica. You you fucking
Speaker 1: He was a.
Speaker 2: Real piece of ship. But I missed McAfee.
Speaker 1: Now, if McAfee, if he'd had just hung in there
Speaker 1: another year or two. My favorite John McAfee thing was
Speaker 1: if you looked at the Champagne he was drinking.
Speaker 2: It's like the cheapest ship. He didn't have that much money, Like,
Speaker 2: he was a shitty yacht. They had terrible guns, but he.
Speaker 1: Was eating like like like a woolgreens cheese.
Speaker 5: Yeah, hell yeah, he's drinking like Corbell libertarian.
Speaker 2: But like which is no one, no one, so no one.
Speaker 2: Dominicants took his guns. Wait did they really steal They
Speaker 2: did steal it. They steal his guns. He's sailed into
Speaker 2: a foreign port with a boat full of illegal they wow, country,
Speaker 2: you can't do that.
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to do that as usual the fucking
Speaker 1: fun place. I woke mafia. Oh, I can't ride into
Speaker 1: another port with a bunch of guns.
Speaker 2: This is obviously just because Dominican the Dominican Republic's so corrupt.
Speaker 2: It's like, man, yeah, it would take your guns. You
Speaker 2: can't do that.
Speaker 4: But also this is just like one thing of a
Speaker 4: functioning democracy.
Speaker 1: If a very strange man.
Speaker 2: On all sorts of substances, clearly on drugs somewhere basically
Speaker 2: trafficking human beings.
Speaker 1: If a guy turns up just like yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 1: sounds sounds like beavers but looks like.
Speaker 5: He's dying, it's like, yeah, you could do that on
Speaker 5: the boat, but no, yo, yo, I'm like, hey, I
Speaker 5: have all of these guns out of that like just
Speaker 5: fucking lying around taking your boat jack back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like like like you've killed a bunch of NPCs
Speaker 1: on there and they've dropped their loot, like.
Speaker 2: And he did. In fact, I mean like none of
Speaker 2: these modern day drifters can do. They don't live interesting,
Speaker 2: bold enough lives to have racked up the kind of
Speaker 2: body count.
Speaker 1: Jean mccaut, he was like a like a Blacklist character.
Speaker 1: He sure was like, yeah, Raymond Reddington.
Speaker 2: A lot of people in who died because they were
Speaker 2: his nephew died.
Speaker 1: His nephew died.
Speaker 2: They had like a paragliding thing that they did in
Speaker 2: the desert. They called themselves sky Gypsies, and they traveled
Speaker 2: around like like drifting from little airport in the desert
Speaker 2: to little airport in the desert, and like a seventy
Speaker 2: year old man and his nephew, Booth crashed and died,
Speaker 2: and then he fled the country for Costa Rica because
Speaker 2: his whole family got angry at him.
Speaker 1: This is why he left. Yes, that's why he went
Speaker 1: to Costa Rica. That first of all insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Second of all, none of the tech people are this interesting,
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Sam Molman has never fled a country. No ever,
Speaker 1: he might though now he won't. That's the thing.
Speaker 5: It's the process is like Zuckerberg dressing like Stan you
Speaker 5: know from the.
Speaker 1: I Love It. I love that he dresses like Kevin Federan.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but even all of that's just a Peter
Speaker 3: Teel's like bit. Yeah, it wasn't even his idea.
Speaker 1: So this is one of the many consultants that have
Speaker 1: crawled up Mark Zuckerberg's asshole now being like, what you
Speaker 1: should do is you should dress like like you've you've
Speaker 1: just done a ZM pig, but you're also a nineties
Speaker 1: rapper and he's like, oh huh, yeah, will.
Speaker 5: We ever get him rapping? You know those pictures of him?
Speaker 1: I would love him to rap. I actually should try.
Speaker 1: We really do need a Howard Hughes era and a
Speaker 1: Crazy Crone era of tech. I wonder what Mark Zuckerberg
Speaker 1: is going to be like when he's like eighty, like
Speaker 1: an Al Davis style just and.
Speaker 2: El director being yeah, just like a.
Speaker 1: Lich just floating with you. He won't quit. I think
Speaker 1: he may Al Davis Meta And for the listeners who
Speaker 1: don't know the NFL, Al Davis was the owner of
Speaker 1: the Oakland Raiders and now the Las Vegas Raiders, and
Speaker 1: he held onto the team until he looked like he
Speaker 1: was physically dying. And I really do mean like bits
Speaker 1: were falling off of him on air like it was
Speaker 1: fucking insane. This is actually what I hope for Meta
Speaker 1: more than anything. I actually don't think Meta lasts than
Speaker 1: another ten years, but if it has the last decades,
Speaker 1: I hope it's Mark Zuckerberg just crazy. You know, like
Speaker 1: we're not running photos on.
Speaker 2: Anymore, nothing but the website is nothing but ais of
Speaker 2: your dead grandparents and like literally loved once yea Zuckerberg
Speaker 2: running it alone.
Speaker 1: You couldn't make your pop pop come back, you couldn't
Speaker 1: bring your beautiful life.
Speaker 5: That's what he's gonna run for president? Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I can't of course as a resident.
Speaker 5: Just want to really, you can't vote once, but you
Speaker 5: can vote twice.
Speaker 1: No. No, people need to stop saying things that make
Speaker 1: it sound like I am committing a crime.
Speaker 2: Don't joke about the title of our signal loop in here.
Speaker 1: No, we will not be saying that, nor will we
Speaker 1: be saying it's blowing up like a cyber truck either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that was a great post for you sending
Speaker 1: it to my lawyer being like, it's a bit.
Speaker 2: Look, he's already dead.
Speaker 1: It's a bit. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4: I was planning a bit.
Speaker 3: To bring my gray hoodie and my green jacket and
Speaker 3: my net Gator and just walk.
Speaker 1: That's the thing, though, the show's got big enough now
Speaker 1: that people are responding to me with stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Luisg So I'm like, shot the man.
Speaker 2: People people love posting about crimes.
Speaker 1: People love to tell me the crimes they wish i'd commit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's always true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I am a wow, would I am. I'm
Speaker 1: not hitting anyone. I'm terrified of violence, both happening to
Speaker 1: me and committing it.
Speaker 2: The only drugs I do were the ones I legally
Speaker 2: buy its stores on the strip.
Speaker 4: Yeah, mushroom would be We're like, what.
Speaker 2: Kind of mushroom is in the gummy?
Speaker 1: Yes, it's another introduction to the Consumer Electronics Show and
Speaker 1: this beautiful show I'm putting on. My boss, Robert evans
Speaker 1: Uh sat down at the table and then produced a
Speaker 1: mysterious bag. I think it's the fairest description saying these
Speaker 1: are mushrooms I bought at a corner store. I don't
Speaker 1: know a mushroom vape. There is also a mushroom everyone.
Speaker 1: Everyone has been letting me know about the mushroom vapory.
Speaker 1: Do not know what is? What kind of mushrooms?
Speaker 2: None of them tell you what.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing them, so.
Speaker 4: We would never vapor in this hotel suite.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you two hundred and fifty dollars. I will
Speaker 1: not get back anyway. This is my boss, the mushroom man,
Speaker 1: and this is what the week is going to be
Speaker 1: like because we refuse to be held by the norms
Speaker 1: of tech coverage in the sense that we actually want
Speaker 1: to have a good time. And I believe, and I've
Speaker 1: done a lot of things about the tech media recently,
Speaker 1: and this is not the fault of the individual writers,
Speaker 1: but the outlets themselves. I believe we have all lost
Speaker 1: the fun in tech. I don't think people enjoy their
Speaker 1: gizmos anywhere near as much. No, No, I want to
Speaker 1: enjoy my shit. I love my phone. It's got problems
Speaker 1: with it, but I love technology. It's great.
Speaker 3: The funnest thing that this show can't be the LG
Speaker 3: giant screen's exactly, and that's why I'm so I'm so
Speaker 3: thankful that you've put this thing together, because yeah, usually
Speaker 3: covering this is like kind of like brain breaking, and
Speaker 3: I love having something to look forward to that's not
Speaker 3: just the big screen, and also drinking as many, like
Speaker 3: as many cocktails at Showstoppers as I can, which we
Speaker 3: will be doing tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Night here every year.
Speaker 1: And the people of Showstoppers have been very unfair to me,
Speaker 1: very nasty. They said that I'm a public relations executive
Speaker 1: and they will not have me there.
Speaker 4: Will they still not let you into shit? No, they
Speaker 4: want and make me pay and I'm not paying.
Speaker 1: They should pay me.
Speaker 4: Don't worry.
Speaker 3: I will I will oh no show drink show stop
Speaker 3: drink for you.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's Pepcom. They didn't let me into either way,
Speaker 1: if it showed it was Pepcom. I think nevertheless, many
Speaker 1: mean people of Pepcom. If you don't let me in
Speaker 1: your show, I will find a way in there. In spirit,
Speaker 1: this is a threat, which is most threat.
Speaker 5: They're gonna blow down the door.
Speaker 1: No, no, someone is going to be there that will
Speaker 1: tell me what happened, and then I will talk about it.
Speaker 1: I will not be doing any crimes. Crimes, thank you.
Speaker 1: It's going to be the entire goddamn week, isn't it.
Speaker 1: This is going to be my entire week. Is Robert
Speaker 1: and Gare and ed now and ed ed has joined
Speaker 1: in saying Ed, why don't you do crime? And I
Speaker 1: will be saying I won't. I've never committed, which is great.
Speaker 1: But this week is I think it's going to be
Speaker 1: a special week because I think over the course of
Speaker 1: the week, we're really going to realize how fuck the
Speaker 1: tech industry is. I think that they're there is some
Speaker 1: life in the hardware side, but I think there's a
Speaker 1: genuine fucking hole in the consumer electronics side that is
Speaker 1: just bleeding, and I think people need to wake the
Speaker 1: up about it. Maybe the reason CS is fucking miserable
Speaker 1: is because there's nothing here that's cool like that. I
Speaker 1: maybe that was why I liked it. In twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: Twenty eleven, there was Stills. I don't remember very much
Speaker 1: from that.
Speaker 2: Poole had a slide. Maybe there was the Mobile World
Speaker 2: Congress that year. Either way, there was a slide at
Speaker 2: one point.
Speaker 1: But also there was stuff that actually got made that
Speaker 1: was interesting, that solved needs. And indeed, it might be
Speaker 1: they've sold a lot of the needs already. But it's
Speaker 1: like fucking how No, Like tech.
Speaker 3: Was evolving so much back then, Like like there was
Speaker 3: like genuine like massive massive changes and improvements on like
Speaker 3: the availability of having a supercomputerly in your hand at
Speaker 3: all times. And I've had the same iPhone for four
Speaker 3: years and nothing's.
Speaker 1: But that's actually the problem.
Speaker 4: Nothing is better.
Speaker 1: Maybe we're at the end, Maybe at the end of time.
Speaker 1: Have we considered this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I have a buddy named Francis.
Speaker 1: Francis, okay, explain the joke for those of us who
Speaker 1: get it but need the audience to hold.
Speaker 2: I mean, he wrote a paper that was largely misinterpreted
Speaker 2: about at the end of the Cold War, about the
Speaker 2: end of history.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: It really wasn't saying what it sounds like.
Speaker 1: He was saying sounds like a thing I should have
Speaker 1: read but did not.
Speaker 2: It's okay, no one actually read Francis Fuki. We all
Speaker 2: just joked about, like.
Speaker 1: A real Shoshana Zubov situation. I don't know who the
Speaker 1: fuck surveillance. She wrote a seven hundred page book. If
Speaker 1: you read the first hundred page, you're like, God, damn,
Speaker 1: I use it.
Speaker 5: To keep my door open so my cats can get
Speaker 5: in my room.
Speaker 1: It is a very long It's a very long book,
Speaker 1: and I say, this is someone who does very long podcast.
Speaker 1: But the first hundred page she's like, damn, you're really
Speaker 1: on something. In the next six hundred.
Speaker 2: You're like an editor would have been helpful.
Speaker 1: Oh, maybe definitely. But also the larger point is that
Speaker 1: capitalism is simply sick. That we must just fix the
Speaker 1: obvious problems because otherwise the tech companies would run well
Speaker 1: if capitalism worked well. And the answer is shut the
Speaker 1: fuck anyway. I'm gonna have Corey Doctor to talk about
Speaker 1: that book at some point, because he has some fucking views.
Speaker 5: He wrote his own book about the books.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it is interesting, and I kind of want to.
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to try and ask everyone what
Speaker 1: they were excited about this, because I need to find out,
Speaker 1: first of all, who's a liar, and then second of all,
Speaker 1: I need to find out if someone truly believes that
Speaker 1: something is exciting here.
Speaker 4: Why.
Speaker 1: I don't remember a single thing I've ever seen at
Speaker 1: CES other than one year where I saw a sign
Speaker 1: for a seaman analysis thing with Ai. I was heading
Speaker 1: out at the time because and I was not in
Speaker 1: a great mood, because otherwise I would have gone in
Speaker 1: and be like, can I try it? What do you think?
Speaker 4: Nah?
Speaker 1: Like what you see? The I says it's bad?
Speaker 5: Huh, I'm not, but you I'm pretty excited about that
Speaker 5: folding laundry robot that you guys were talking about.
Speaker 1: I'd be really funny to go over there and be like,
Speaker 1: where's my fucking shirt? Two years ago? It's my fucking shirt. Man,
Speaker 1: he never gave me that ship back, like KG yelling, uh,
Speaker 1: where's my money.
Speaker 2: I am a sicko laptop pervert, so I always look
Speaker 2: forward to like Lenovo's weird twisting folding laptops. I've got
Speaker 2: their folding the laptop now, and I love it. I
Speaker 2: do like their sick little laptop.
Speaker 1: Weird little laptop, and I wish it was all that
Speaker 1: weird fucking laptop.
Speaker 2: Look, give me a weird laptop. Put four screens on
Speaker 2: the side, should have it fold down to the size
Speaker 2: of a napkin.
Speaker 1: That's what I want from seeingos I want. I don't
Speaker 1: mind if you don't make it. I just mind that
Speaker 1: it's fun and it's like, hey, here's something that's plausible
Speaker 1: and we are not building it. Yeah, that's so boring.
Speaker 2: I don't get angry at the folding one hundred inch television. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I would never buy one, but I am like, that
Speaker 2: is a TV that's folding. Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: And I could see that would be delayed due to
Speaker 1: the fact that you're doing the thing unassociated.
Speaker 2: And no one wants mostly associated with.
Speaker 1: Clothes, and also there is no market of any kind.
Speaker 1: But even then they still make them. You still get
Speaker 1: like the fifty thousand dollars lg TV that can run
Speaker 1: on a battery.
Speaker 2: It's like that three million dollar glasses free three D
Speaker 2: television they used to bring around where it's like this
Speaker 2: fucker works. You gotta stand in one specific area.
Speaker 1: But this is basically a giant three DS but it
Speaker 1: doesn't work well. Last year they had I think their
Speaker 1: biggest TV thing was like a transparent transparent TV.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: That was so stupid.
Speaker 1: I love that because they were like, even like the
Speaker 1: tech journalists just trying, they weren't trying it. They were
Speaker 1: just reading off the fucking press.
Speaker 2: And it's like, I.
Speaker 1: Don't fucking know what. I don't fucking know why. We
Speaker 1: have no more horizons, No, there's no more landsall got
Speaker 1: the rock com bubble In July, I fucking said that
Speaker 1: there's nothing left. We're at the end. And I will
Speaker 1: not rate it because and that really it does feel
Speaker 1: like I'm narrating the end of the world at times,
Speaker 1: and this show does not fucking help. It doesn't give
Speaker 1: me hope. I don't get I don't see anything at
Speaker 1: cs WRO. I'm like, finally, no.
Speaker 3: But I think it's so crucial because the whole thing
Speaker 3: about AI right now, the thing everyone says is like
Speaker 3: it's only going to get better, right this is this
Speaker 3: is the worst it's going to get. And the thing
Speaker 3: that you've been so good on like specifically for your beat,
Speaker 3: is showing how things don't actually like infinitely improve like
Speaker 3: a like Google search is such a good is such
Speaker 3: a good example that, like, no, sometimes things actually can't
Speaker 3: get worse. We can't assume everything will just get better.
Speaker 1: Well it hasn't, though. I think that that's the real thing,
Speaker 1: and this show kind of shows it in the nothing
Speaker 1: has got better. They don't show us stuff here where
Speaker 1: I'm like other than TV stuff. TV's are cool. I
Speaker 1: love TVs whatever, big big computer fuss compute whatever. But
Speaker 1: like of actual things we've seen at CS, I first
Speaker 1: of all, cannot remember a single fucking thing I've seen it. See,
Speaker 1: I just I go in. I look at them for hours,
Speaker 1: and then my brain just leaves and I leave in.
Speaker 1: My brain's like it's gone, okay, that's going with where Spanish, French,
Speaker 1: German and Latin went.
Speaker 5: So who are the winners? It's it's gamers, gooners, investors.
Speaker 1: The thing is, I don't even think those always right.
Speaker 3: Three groups that always keep winning Gamers, goers and tech enthusiasts.
Speaker 1: But there's not even stuff for gunas anymore.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, you know you know.
Speaker 4: A true goods.
Speaker 2: They're always DTG as the kids.
Speaker 4: We have been reporting on. I am come beat every cees.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, love to introduce my listeners to this, especially
Speaker 1: the ones that came in through the Very Serious podcast
Speaker 1: and the Lena Kahn interview. That's the ones the people
Speaker 1: hearing this from the Lena Connor.
Speaker 2: Lena Khan come on, come, let's talk about the FCC.
Speaker 1: No. No, she said she'd come back on theoretically.
Speaker 2: You know what you're doing, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: No, but I you know, twenty twenty five is the
Speaker 3: year that we are all that we are all going
Speaker 3: to have sex with robots.
Speaker 4: I'm excited for some kind.
Speaker 2: Of insane champaign room sex.
Speaker 3: No, I'm waiting for some like some insane like like
Speaker 3: AI power like masturbation tool, because I I was I know,
Speaker 3: I know there's going to be a new one on
Speaker 3: the first year that they did. But there's gonna be
Speaker 3: a new one on the front this year.
Speaker 2: They only sent us the sheaths, the actually handing out.
Speaker 5: This.
Speaker 4: You have to forge this one your it's somebody.
Speaker 3: It's like the most like sex averse group of people
Speaker 3: walking the show floor and you have these like you
Speaker 3: have these people enthusiastically trying to like give people loose,
Speaker 3: and you're like, these people are these people are.
Speaker 2: Similar from countries where you're not allowed to come.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're actually tell me I can't anyway moving home
Speaker 1: from that one. But I'm so sorry to like the
Speaker 1: respectable like table. We got like awards this year from
Speaker 1: like real business publication. There's some posts like I can't.
Speaker 4: Wait to him this is like, this is good. This
Speaker 4: is actually a pretty big part of how the.
Speaker 1: Fuck do we get gooning into the first episode of
Speaker 1: this goddamn because.
Speaker 3: Because it's what else are you going to do with
Speaker 3: all of those curved all of this curved tvss?
Speaker 5: Because what do you think they do with them after
Speaker 5: they hold the laundry? You know, they put them, put
Speaker 5: them off the line.
Speaker 1: Mistake.
Speaker 3: This is also like one of the one of the
Speaker 3: biggest uses of like all of all of these lbs.
Speaker 4: It's just people using them as sex spots.
Speaker 1: And actually, you know what, I don't mind what people
Speaker 1: do with that, but I will say I don't think
Speaker 1: that they've got anything else other than that. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's any other sticky that's.
Speaker 4: Really walked into that fucking hell.
Speaker 1: No, I actually conquim it sticky.
Speaker 2: I learned a lot socially by meeting other weird freaks
Speaker 2: on World of Warcraft, right and doing role play sex
Speaker 2: with them. That was the way you grew up as
Speaker 2: a seventeen year old.
Speaker 1: Race were you? And what race were they?
Speaker 2: I mean you usually Niels obviously, of course. Okay, it
Speaker 2: was two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: I mean you could have been a NiFe. You could
Speaker 1: have been a no. No, they were good new No,
Speaker 1: you just you.
Speaker 2: Just tried things on the internet back then. Lou is
Speaker 2: a person.
Speaker 1: But nevertheless, it is funny that that appears to be
Speaker 1: the one use case of like because people are just like,
Speaker 1: just like millions of people getting into erotica for the
Speaker 1: first time. Now this is bartender. Phil just walked in
Speaker 1: and that was the first thing he heard. So very
Speaker 1: good stuff, Phil. All the normals are happening here.
Speaker 2: We're talking about how AI is helping people come.
Speaker 1: M I'm so I'm so sorry. By the way, some
Speaker 1: people who listen to this podcast ostensibly to learn about
Speaker 1: the Rotti economy and the tech industries collapse and now
Speaker 1: everyone's talking about their willies and who hasn't.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a core part of the industry though,
Speaker 3: like really, like this is why we have a little
Speaker 3: driven yah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Actually pornography has always driven tech, which is why
Speaker 1: they pulled the AVN away because then they'd have something
Speaker 1: to aspire to. And also that's a profitable industry, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can't remind people there's no money being actually made.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, oh my god, this is the thing. I
Speaker 1: really I really didn't think about how likely it would
Speaker 1: be that someone would bring up gooning, let alone on
Speaker 1: the first episode. But I mean, this is still more
Speaker 1: fun I've had any c Yeah, because you go into
Speaker 1: these shows and they are definitely sexless. Yeah, and there
Speaker 1: are definitely guys in the tech industry like if they
Speaker 1: had like good sex, they'd be really happy, Elon Musk
Speaker 1: being one of them. But it's it is also weird
Speaker 1: how just like joyless, it is putting aside horniness deliberately.
Speaker 1: It does just feel very fucking joyless. No one seems
Speaker 1: to I think it's problem in the tech media as well.
Speaker 1: No one seems excited about anything, no one even is
Speaker 1: looking forward to it. It's like a group burden that
Speaker 1: we all share every year. I just refuse to have
Speaker 1: it that way. Anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh. I think it's good. I'm excited for
Speaker 2: the rest of this. I think we probably should close
Speaker 2: things up.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, don't worry. I'm I was just planning to
Speaker 1: and the MC Robert.
Speaker 2: Now, I gotta show you guys some weird AI videos
Speaker 2: after this.
Speaker 1: And I have to peek so little as we do
Speaker 1: our outro. Now, I'm going to talk you through the
Speaker 1: rest of the week. Robert and Gare will be joining
Speaker 1: us again on Friday for one of our two slots.
Speaker 1: But the way this is gonna work is you're gonna
Speaker 1: get this episode. You're listening to this around twelve am
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Speaker 1: do with your day, and then maybe about eight ten
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Speaker 1: we're gonna have David Roth of Defectory's gonna be joining us.
Speaker 1: My two elves are going to be here to look
Speaker 1: on the floor. I will be going to the floor,
Speaker 1: Yes I will, but not until Wednesday due to situations.
Speaker 1: We will have a gaggle of wonderful reporter as well,
Speaker 1: Jesse Ferrara of your Kickstarter Sucks. We will have a
Speaker 1: real life priest an actual Dominican monk. I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: many more fun things in store. Robert Gare where can
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Speaker 2: You can find our d show It could happen here.
Speaker 2: We'll be talking about some of the great AI generated
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