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S1: My name is Ben Greenfield, and on this episode of

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S2: We put our device inside of the room, and then

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S2: what we saw is that this field strength is being reduced,

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S2: and this is literally how we were first able to

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S2: means you are exposed to a lower field strength. And

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S1: Fitness, nutrition, biohacking, longevity, life optimization, spirituality, and a whole

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S1: lot more. Welcome to the Ben Greenfield Life Show. Are

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S1: you ready to hack your life? Let's do this. Well,

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S1: if you've visited me at my house before and been

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S1: that almost looks like it fell off of an alien spaceship.

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S1: These things that are scattered around my home are called, uh,

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S1: wave guards. Uh, they've been developed by this company called Qi. Qi.

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S1: And the whole story behind them has to do with

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S1: this concept of something called electro hypersensitivity. Uh, I'll let

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S1: But if you're interested in things like EMF protection, electromagnetic radiation,

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S1: Give me an interesting show for you. My guess is

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S1: Hagon Thiers. Uh, Hagon is the inventor of this technology.

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S1: I realize many people are kind of skeptical of these

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S1: just full of, like a, like a placebo effect. But

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S1: I'm very interested in this whole field myself of protecting

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S1: the show and chat a little bit about this. So Hagon,

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S1: welcome to the show, man.

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S2: Thank you. I'm so pleased and happy to be here.

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S1: Yeah. Hey, so I just have to ask you right

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S1: off the bat, do you have, um, electro hypersensitivity? I'm

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S2: Yes. I have been diagnosed with electro hypersensitivity when I

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S1: How do you test? How do you test for something

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S2: Uh, for me it is really obvious, for instance, with, uh,

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S1: So when you were a kid and I'm assuming your

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S2: Well, it was kind of like that. I was always

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S2: Yeah. So they found out like that that it's causing

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S1: Very curious because it seems kind of loosey goosey, like, hey,

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S2: Well, I would really suggest, uh, sleeping, analyzing devices, some

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S1: Yeah, I got that advice a long time ago. I

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S2: Well, you have different ones. And um, they have also

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S1: Yeah, I mean, I just upgrade to the Apple iPhone 15.

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S1: Like with the EarPods. Do you think the Apple EarPods

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S1: is that? Is that the two plus gigahertz frequency that

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S2: They're all they're pretty much at the same standard. Yes.

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S1: What about the wearables that a lot of people are using,

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S2: Well, that's usually the thing that, uh, if we're talking

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S1: Okay. That's useful to know. So so the electro hypersensitivity piece,

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S2: Well, I think that is maybe a little bit distracting

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S2: We have to remember we are all are affected by

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S2: And this is the first two parts, and it doesn't

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S1: Yeah, I certainly don't disagree with you. And that's a

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S1: But I mean, you brought it up in the first place, right?

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S2: Yes. So we have, for instance, the electrical hypersensitive club

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S2: Yeah, yeah. And we, we donate devices there. And there

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S1: Yeah, probably just because we know that there's excess calcium

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S2: Yes. Well, it's, uh, in Germany it's called netzel. I'm

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443
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S2: lived in a variety of places. Been a little bit, uh, well, traveler,

444
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,230
S2: if you want to say so. I built a radiation

445
00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:05,530
S2: free house completely without electricity in Finland, where my two

446
00:23:05,530 --> 00:23:09,430
S2: kids are born in that house. And then a couple

447
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:12,729
S2: of years later in Germany, I was building a house

448
00:23:12,730 --> 00:23:15,340
S2: which was actually kind of a smart house, you could say,

449
00:23:15,340 --> 00:23:17,859
S2: but it was still EMF free, which was very interesting

450
00:23:17,859 --> 00:23:21,760
S2: that you I tried to find a balance between convenience and, uh,

451
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:26,950
S2: low radiation. And right now I live in Dubai. And, uh, here,

452
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:29,890
S2: I think it's a much more interesting challenge to actually

453
00:23:29,890 --> 00:23:32,109
S2: live a EMF free life. But it also is actually

454
00:23:32,109 --> 00:23:35,500
S2: working quite well. And I have, uh, created some EMF

455
00:23:35,500 --> 00:23:38,859
S2: free curtains which are blocking out everything which is coming

456
00:23:38,859 --> 00:23:41,710
S2: from the inside. Everything is wired. I'm also wired now

457
00:23:41,710 --> 00:23:45,730
S2: to the Ethernet cable. And, uh, so you can actually

458
00:23:45,730 --> 00:23:48,610
S2: experience that. I have a Faraday cage around my home

459
00:23:48,609 --> 00:23:51,080
S2: as of the way. Our devices, which I have here

460
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,440
S2: and which I use to further depolarize everything. And so actually,

461
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,330
S2: I'm doing pretty well on the part that I have

462
00:23:56,330 --> 00:23:59,780
S2: almost in the whole apartment now. Almost zero field.

463
00:23:59,780 --> 00:24:02,030
S1: Yeah, but if you have a Faraday cage around your home,

464
00:24:02,030 --> 00:24:04,940
S1: you would have to make sure if you are inside

465
00:24:04,940 --> 00:24:07,310
S1: the home connected to technology, you're doing as you're doing

466
00:24:07,310 --> 00:24:10,040
S1: and everything's wired right, because otherwise signals are just bouncing

467
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,720
S1: around and trapped inside.

468
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,330
S2: Well, but if you're earthing it, also the, um, the

469
00:24:14,330 --> 00:24:18,260
S2: electromagnetic field is also being picked up and also being grounded.

470
00:24:18,260 --> 00:24:21,379
S2: And that is something which most people underestimate, the part

471
00:24:21,380 --> 00:24:25,040
S2: of the real grounding. And, um, if you're just having

472
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,610
S2: a Faraday canopy, um, silver baldachin kind of thing, which

473
00:24:28,609 --> 00:24:31,100
S2: you're throwing over your bed, you're not going to reach

474
00:24:31,100 --> 00:24:34,310
S2: the results after a short time, after a couple of hours,

475
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:37,250
S2: you're going to already have, again, electromagnetic fields inside of

476
00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:40,250
S2: your bed. And so it is really about to actually

477
00:24:40,250 --> 00:24:45,200
S2: ground the conductive fabrics. And that's actually doing the real trick.

478
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,110
S2: So then also the bouncing around doesn't happen because then

479
00:24:48,109 --> 00:24:50,449
S2: we are almost talking about like a lightning which is

480
00:24:50,450 --> 00:24:53,540
S2: traveling to a house and then being grounded. And so

481
00:24:53,540 --> 00:24:56,360
S2: the emfs are going out of your apartment if you're

482
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,400
S2: grounding it. And this is what I have done here.

483
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,160
S2: So I have taken some metal clips, conductive wires, and

484
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,410
S2: I put them to some grounding sockets.

485
00:25:03,410 --> 00:25:04,129
S3: Yeah, that's.

486
00:25:04,130 --> 00:25:07,310
S1: The same as I have in my bed. In my

487
00:25:07,310 --> 00:25:09,770
S1: master bedroom is a Faraday cage that I had shielded

488
00:25:09,770 --> 00:25:12,470
S1: healing designed for me, and it is grounded. So when

489
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:15,350
S1: it goes down around you, you're not bouncing and accumulating

490
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:17,930
S1: more EMF signals inside of it. It works really well.

491
00:25:17,930 --> 00:25:21,320
S1: I can't like make a phone call, send a text message.

492
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,480
S1: So it definitely works. I, you know, I feel cut

493
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,310
S1: off to the world. My wife doesn't like it so much.

494
00:25:25,310 --> 00:25:28,070
S1: She doesn't think it's that sexy. But I actually sleep

495
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:30,470
S1: better when that thing is closed down around the bed.

496
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:33,980
S1: What was interesting, though, was something you said about how

497
00:25:33,980 --> 00:25:35,840
S1: you kind of figured out how to get some of

498
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,719
S1: the conveniences of a smart home, and I don't know

499
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,580
S1: what those conveniences are. I'd love to hear you talk

500
00:25:40,580 --> 00:25:44,000
S1: about them, but still be able to mitigate the amount

501
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,790
S1: of radiation in the home. Do you have any examples

502
00:25:46,790 --> 00:25:47,540
S1: of what you did?

503
00:25:48,020 --> 00:25:51,290
S2: Well, for instance, um, so I built a whole house

504
00:25:51,290 --> 00:25:54,649
S2: with KNX so that you basically can shut off every

505
00:25:54,650 --> 00:25:57,350
S2: socket and every electricity plug in your house.

506
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:58,010
S3: You wait, wait.

507
00:25:58,010 --> 00:25:59,660
S1: Wait, do you do you mean like a master kill

508
00:25:59,660 --> 00:26:00,859
S1: switch in the in the circuit.

509
00:26:00,859 --> 00:26:01,730
S3: Room? No.

510
00:26:01,730 --> 00:26:04,370
S2: So, um, basically a real smart house. Like we built

511
00:26:04,369 --> 00:26:06,050
S2: it in Germany. And I know we're a bit crazy

512
00:26:06,050 --> 00:26:08,689
S2: when it comes to engineering, so we have to level

513
00:26:08,690 --> 00:26:10,310
S2: up a bit here. I don't know where you guys

514
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:13,459
S2: are standing there in the US, but, um, basically we

515
00:26:13,460 --> 00:26:16,520
S2: are using the system here called Qi, uh, Qi and X,

516
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,790
S2: and basically what this is doing, and this was nice

517
00:26:19,790 --> 00:26:23,689
S2: since we renovated the house completely from scratch. So we

518
00:26:23,690 --> 00:26:26,450
S2: also did all of the wiring. And so what happens

519
00:26:26,450 --> 00:26:30,170
S2: there is that every, um, power socket which you have

520
00:26:30,170 --> 00:26:33,620
S2: in your house is getting an additional cable and is

521
00:26:33,619 --> 00:26:38,510
S2: being numerised. So basically you can tell the electricity to

522
00:26:38,510 --> 00:26:41,900
S2: stop flowing to that exact plug. So if you are having,

523
00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:45,109
S2: you know, three, four electric plugs in your living room

524
00:26:45,109 --> 00:26:47,360
S2: in each corner, maybe one, then they all can get

525
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,820
S2: a name, they all can get um, some kind of,

526
00:26:49,820 --> 00:26:52,100
S2: you know, link and address which you can address it.

527
00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:55,610
S2: And then they all shut off individually. And so this

528
00:26:55,609 --> 00:26:58,189
S2: is something, uh, what we use in Germany. So you

529
00:26:58,190 --> 00:27:01,040
S2: can basically say power off, you know, living room light

530
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,170
S2: or something like that. And then the power is completely

531
00:27:03,170 --> 00:27:05,600
S2: being shut off to that, to that socket so that

532
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,840
S2: it's empty. And so the whole house was built like that,

533
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,920
S2: that you could basically single handedly and verbally even, um,

534
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,909
S2: could actually control your whole house. So we had there

535
00:27:16,910 --> 00:27:19,460
S2: like a tablet which was attached to the wall, and

536
00:27:19,460 --> 00:27:21,649
S2: it was also plugged in and wired in, and you

537
00:27:21,650 --> 00:27:24,800
S2: could give it voice controls and you could control every

538
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,260
S2: socket in your house like that. And you could also say, okay,

539
00:27:27,260 --> 00:27:30,590
S2: you know, turn on the the garage gates or, you know,

540
00:27:30,590 --> 00:27:32,930
S2: turn off the outside lights and things like that. Since

541
00:27:32,930 --> 00:27:37,100
S2: everything was communicating by cable, had a name was addressed,

542
00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:39,469
S2: and then literally the power would go on and off

543
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,410
S2: according to your commands. You could also specify at which

544
00:27:42,410 --> 00:27:45,290
S2: times of days and nights it would turn off. And

545
00:27:45,290 --> 00:27:49,010
S2: then additionally to that, we had at each bedroom we had, um,

546
00:27:49,010 --> 00:27:51,410
S2: we had a kill switch for the bedroom, completely.

547
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,260
S1: That's pretty impressive. I thought my home was tricked out

548
00:27:54,260 --> 00:27:56,810
S1: here in Spokane, because I have a kill switch in

549
00:27:56,810 --> 00:27:59,990
S1: each bedroom and then a master kill switch in the

550
00:27:59,990 --> 00:28:04,250
S1: circuit room. But, man, you're you're going above and beyond.

551
00:28:04,460 --> 00:28:07,040
S1: If somebody is listening and they aren't, you know, they

552
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,250
S1: have access to rewire the whole home. Could you to

553
00:28:10,250 --> 00:28:13,730
S1: a certain extent just use like a dirty electricity filter

554
00:28:13,730 --> 00:28:17,000
S1: in the outlets of each room? That's that's going to

555
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,020
S1: help a little bit.

556
00:28:18,020 --> 00:28:20,810
S2: It's not really the same to not have an electromagnetic

557
00:28:20,810 --> 00:28:24,440
S2: field and to have dirty electricity in your home. Those are,

558
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:26,840
S2: you know, having an earth apart, you know, we are

559
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,420
S2: talking about that. You're not taking up any of the

560
00:28:29,420 --> 00:28:33,170
S2: high electromagnetic fields to your body. And this is, um,

561
00:28:33,170 --> 00:28:35,570
S2: you know, this is one level. And then dirty electricity

562
00:28:35,570 --> 00:28:38,960
S2: is a more dangerous level, but you're not within with

563
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,500
S2: a filter for dirty electricity. You're not taking away the

564
00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:46,130
S2: problem of being affected by electromagnetic fields.

565
00:28:46,130 --> 00:28:49,550
S1: Okay, so so this isn't like a technology. You. Develop.

566
00:28:49,550 --> 00:28:51,709
S1: This is a technology that someone could could outfit as

567
00:28:51,710 --> 00:28:52,550
S1: they build out a home.

568
00:28:52,550 --> 00:28:55,130
S2: No, this is, uh, this is the common, one of

569
00:28:55,130 --> 00:28:58,520
S2: the common standards for building smart homes in Germany, which

570
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,670
S2: is not just that you address everything with Alexa and

571
00:29:01,670 --> 00:29:04,850
S2: so on. But that's basically when you're when you're building

572
00:29:04,850 --> 00:29:08,810
S2: a house, then, um, then every socket and every power

573
00:29:08,810 --> 00:29:12,290
S2: line gets an additional data cable, which is communicating. And

574
00:29:12,290 --> 00:29:14,750
S2: then you have basically a software which is regulating that,

575
00:29:14,750 --> 00:29:17,300
S2: and you can use that all wired. And then you

576
00:29:17,300 --> 00:29:19,160
S2: have somewhere we had it in our living room. We

577
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,670
S2: had basically one tablet which um, which could listen to

578
00:29:22,670 --> 00:29:25,040
S2: you and you could give voice commands, but it would

579
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,770
S2: not have any Wi-Fi on it wouldn't have any Bluetooth on.

580
00:29:27,770 --> 00:29:30,260
S2: And you could say literally any power to go on

581
00:29:30,260 --> 00:29:33,500
S2: and off. And you could also, for instance, control everything

582
00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:36,140
S2: which is regarding electricity, which is really nice. So you

583
00:29:36,140 --> 00:29:39,050
S2: didn't have to use any Wi-Fi, and you didn't have

584
00:29:39,050 --> 00:29:41,480
S2: to have any of this, but you could interact verbally

585
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,580
S2: with your whole house or just go to the tablet and,

586
00:29:43,580 --> 00:29:46,370
S2: you know, do everything manually and say, okay, I want

587
00:29:46,370 --> 00:29:48,710
S2: to open now the gates to the estate or something

588
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:49,160
S2: like that.

589
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:49,790
S3: That's cool.

590
00:29:49,790 --> 00:29:52,250
S1: That's almost like a hardwired version of Alexa.

591
00:29:52,250 --> 00:29:54,800
S2: Yes, exactly. That's basically what it comes down to. It's

592
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,540
S2: just a hell of lot of wiring which is being

593
00:29:56,540 --> 00:29:57,050
S2: done then.

594
00:29:57,050 --> 00:29:57,680
S3: Yeah, for.

595
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,380
S1: Sure. I'll link, by the way, to some of these technologies.

596
00:30:00,380 --> 00:30:02,960
S1: The show notes are going to be at Bengreenfieldlife.com slash

597
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:09,140
S1: Wave Guard podcast. That's Bengreenfieldlife.com slash Wave Guard podcast. So

598
00:30:09,140 --> 00:30:11,900
S1: you were talking about your dad before I derailed you,

599
00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:14,570
S1: and we went into some other avenues and how he's

600
00:30:14,570 --> 00:30:18,980
S1: a mechanical engineer and started to build out technologies with

601
00:30:18,980 --> 00:30:21,350
S1: you when you were a teenager. Is that what led

602
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:24,080
S1: to the development of the Wave Guard technologies?

603
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:28,430
S2: Well, ultimately it did, yes. So my father and I,

604
00:30:28,430 --> 00:30:32,150
S2: we were, you know, testing out all kinds of products. And, um,

605
00:30:32,150 --> 00:30:35,180
S2: also the first couple of Harmonizers were out there at

606
00:30:35,180 --> 00:30:38,990
S2: the market already. We didn't really find any significant effects

607
00:30:38,990 --> 00:30:39,590
S2: from that.

608
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:41,060
S1: What's a harmonizer?

609
00:30:41,060 --> 00:30:43,640
S2: Oh, that's like this kind of stickers and pendants, which

610
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,430
S2: you can put on your phones and put on, you know,

611
00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:48,920
S2: like your electrical meter in your house and so on,

612
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,090
S2: which is from trying to harmonize the negative effects from you. Okay.

613
00:30:53,540 --> 00:30:55,610
S2: I think that's the stuff. What you find most on

614
00:30:55,610 --> 00:30:58,940
S2: Amazon under 50 bucks if you're looking for EMF protection. Yeah.

615
00:30:58,940 --> 00:30:59,390
S3: Okay.

616
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:04,130
S2: So it's kind of uh, stickers and patches. So and

617
00:31:04,130 --> 00:31:07,010
S2: usually they call himself harmonizer since, you know, that's not

618
00:31:07,010 --> 00:31:09,800
S2: really a qualified word since they cannot say that they

619
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,290
S2: are reducing or protecting you. So it's a different thing.

620
00:31:12,290 --> 00:31:15,140
S2: So they're just trying to make it less harmful. Okay.

621
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:19,640
S2: So and yeah we looked into that. And uh, then

622
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,550
S2: what we found out is and we, we came across

623
00:31:22,550 --> 00:31:26,180
S2: that liquids have some potential and we were, we were

624
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,410
S2: experimenting and working there with a University of Milan in

625
00:31:30,410 --> 00:31:33,500
S2: Italy and working with them. And we found that, okay,

626
00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:36,500
S2: if you can let a radiation and a radio wave

627
00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:40,520
S2: interact with the conductive liquid, that actually there is happening

628
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,030
S2: something which seems to be very positive for our biological

629
00:31:44,030 --> 00:31:47,180
S2: being and for our body. And so this is what

630
00:31:47,180 --> 00:31:51,410
S2: we were then experiencing. We built prototypes, then. And, you know,

631
00:31:51,410 --> 00:31:53,270
S2: this was really early on. We tried to find a

632
00:31:53,270 --> 00:31:56,720
S2: solution for myself and, you know, then becoming into those

633
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,950
S2: electrosensitive clubs. And then we handed out also some prototypes

634
00:32:00,950 --> 00:32:03,290
S2: to them after I said, I feel better with this.

635
00:32:03,290 --> 00:32:05,989
S2: And then we asked them, you know, we gave them

636
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:08,360
S2: like a survey and like the time for two weeks

637
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,180
S2: to test this out. And this prototypes which were using

638
00:32:11,180 --> 00:32:14,540
S2: this conductive liquids, and they really helped them and they

639
00:32:14,540 --> 00:32:17,480
S2: didn't want to return the prototypes. We said like, no, no, no,

640
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,490
S2: you really got to give us back. You know, this

641
00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:22,010
S2: is like not on the market yet. Nothing like this.

642
00:32:22,010 --> 00:32:23,990
S2: And they said like we don't want to give it back.

643
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:27,530
S2: We finally feel better. Our symptoms are getting better. And

644
00:32:27,530 --> 00:32:29,570
S2: so they said like, name our name, your price. And

645
00:32:29,570 --> 00:32:32,300
S2: that was when we started like wow, here is really

646
00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:37,550
S2: something we want to something. And uh, then I, you know, this, um,

647
00:32:37,550 --> 00:32:40,640
S2: there was some big events happening in my personal life.

648
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,920
S2: I was gone and was living in nature for a

649
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,910
S2: couple of years, completely EMF free and, uh, polar circle

650
00:32:46,910 --> 00:32:50,840
S2: area of Finland. And so then I came back and

651
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,110
S2: then we restarted this project, and then we also found

652
00:32:54,110 --> 00:32:57,440
S2: out that there is now actually studies which were comforting

653
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,739
S2: and also validating what we have been already experiencing in

654
00:33:00,740 --> 00:33:04,760
S2: our prototypes, which was that depolarization is happening and that

655
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,750
S2: you can actually depolarize, um, radio waves if you're letting

656
00:33:08,750 --> 00:33:12,080
S2: them interact or pass through liquids. And what's basically happening

657
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,290
S2: is that you're dispersing them on a wider area. And

658
00:33:15,290 --> 00:33:18,680
S2: that's why the intensity is not anymore so focused to

659
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,710
S2: your body. Um, but more laid out. And that seems

660
00:33:21,710 --> 00:33:25,580
S2: to be something which is rather natural. So all of the, um,

661
00:33:25,580 --> 00:33:28,670
S2: radiation which we are exposed to from Earth is always

662
00:33:28,670 --> 00:33:31,880
S2: affecting our whole, our whole body and not just a

663
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,160
S2: single point at our ear, at our brain, and not

664
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,570
S2: just affecting some specific tissue, very concentrated, but it's always

665
00:33:38,570 --> 00:33:41,300
S2: laid out on the whole body. And this means that

666
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:44,030
S2: the body is also feeling by all sensors and all cells,

667
00:33:44,030 --> 00:33:47,600
S2: some kind of pressure and starts to basically function and see, okay,

668
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,620
S2: I need to counteract this negative. Effects. And this is

669
00:33:51,620 --> 00:33:55,400
S2: something what our technology is doing, that we are basically

670
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,500
S2: laying out the effects from a small area to a

671
00:33:57,500 --> 00:34:00,260
S2: big area, from the radio waves which come in from

672
00:34:00,260 --> 00:34:03,590
S2: your Wi-Fi, from your Wi-Fi or the neighbor's Wi-Fi, or

673
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:06,260
S2: the 5G tower, which you cannot turn off, which is

674
00:34:06,260 --> 00:34:09,739
S2: around the corner and things like that. And so basically,

675
00:34:09,739 --> 00:34:12,110
S2: you're spreading out the exposure from a small area to

676
00:34:12,110 --> 00:34:14,270
S2: a big area. And this is how we found that

677
00:34:14,270 --> 00:34:17,419
S2: the field strength is reduced. So we could show that

678
00:34:17,420 --> 00:34:20,210
S2: in I think it's around 12 or 13 studies, which

679
00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:24,380
S2: we did on field strength reduction with our devices. And

680
00:34:24,380 --> 00:34:27,380
S2: then we also found out, okay, that the biological side

681
00:34:27,380 --> 00:34:31,640
S2: effects are also not anymore there. If you're depolarizing radiation.

682
00:34:31,969 --> 00:34:34,520
S1: How do you actually make a conductive liquid?

683
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,630
S2: Well, that's the proprietary part of the wave guard, which

684
00:34:38,630 --> 00:34:42,080
S2: is why we haven't been copied yet. But this is

685
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,540
S2: the fascinating part, because you need to be able to

686
00:34:44,540 --> 00:34:47,510
S2: basically have this kind of effects to not just flood

687
00:34:47,540 --> 00:34:50,780
S2: your whole your whole apartment with this liquid, but actually

688
00:34:50,780 --> 00:34:52,610
S2: have it conductive in a bigger area.

689
00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:54,290
S1: Well, yeah, that's what I was going to ask you,

690
00:34:54,290 --> 00:34:56,239
S1: because the way you just described things to me, it

691
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,850
S1: seems like I'd have to take my Wi-Fi router or

692
00:34:58,850 --> 00:35:01,370
S1: my computer, whatever, and just, like, put it inside a

693
00:35:01,370 --> 00:35:05,480
S1: box that that has this conductive liquid inside the wall

694
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,270
S1: of the box, but obviously you're not doing that like

695
00:35:08,270 --> 00:35:10,130
S1: I have one of your devices, like one of your

696
00:35:10,130 --> 00:35:11,780
S1: devices is five feet away from me. It's at the

697
00:35:11,780 --> 00:35:13,820
S1: base of my desk. I keep it under there. I

698
00:35:13,820 --> 00:35:15,980
S1: have another one under the kitchen table. I have another

699
00:35:15,980 --> 00:35:18,140
S1: one on the third floor of the house. So these

700
00:35:18,140 --> 00:35:21,980
S1: are the wave guard home protection devices. I'm obviously not

701
00:35:21,980 --> 00:35:23,780
S1: surrounded by the thing. It's just sitting there. So how

702
00:35:23,780 --> 00:35:27,740
S1: does that even work if it's full of this proprietary

703
00:35:27,739 --> 00:35:30,260
S1: conductive liquid? As far as protecting me.

704
00:35:30,530 --> 00:35:32,660
S2: Basically we have to see it in the way that

705
00:35:32,660 --> 00:35:35,089
S2: we we have measured the range, and it's some of

706
00:35:35,090 --> 00:35:38,570
S2: the parts which we get a lot of interesting questions about,

707
00:35:38,570 --> 00:35:41,540
S2: you know, how does this really work in the, in

708
00:35:41,540 --> 00:35:44,780
S2: the distances. And so that's why we have just measured it.

709
00:35:44,780 --> 00:35:49,100
S2: And basically what it's replicating is a scenario that you

710
00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:52,759
S2: would just flood your whole apartment with saltwater. Saltwater would

711
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,690
S2: be also a very, um, possible way of depolarizing radiation.

712
00:35:56,690 --> 00:36:00,140
S2: So if you're just living in a saltwater, uh, surrounding,

713
00:36:00,140 --> 00:36:02,299
S2: then you also would have the same effect that you're

714
00:36:02,300 --> 00:36:05,930
S2: having a dispersed radio frequency just hitting your body instead

715
00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:09,620
S2: of a concentrated one. But that's not really usually the, the,

716
00:36:09,620 --> 00:36:11,750
S2: the possible way for us to just live in a

717
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:14,810
S2: scuba diving equipment. And that's why the question is, how

718
00:36:14,810 --> 00:36:17,930
S2: do you reach this result without flooding your apartment. And

719
00:36:17,930 --> 00:36:20,270
S2: so this is basically what we have done with the

720
00:36:20,270 --> 00:36:24,830
S2: key devices. And we have been measuring them in the

721
00:36:24,830 --> 00:36:29,029
S2: most technically advanced institutions around the world, for instance, the

722
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:33,800
S2: European DNP or for instance, the TUF, which is, I think,

723
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,100
S2: the biggest technical institution around the world, which is, you know,

724
00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:41,959
S2: verifying the builds of bridges, cars, uh, engines, emissions and

725
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,810
S2: everything like that, which is everything which is regarding technical

726
00:36:44,810 --> 00:36:48,890
S2: with around 250,000 employees, I think, just in Europe. And

727
00:36:48,890 --> 00:36:51,500
S2: so they have the setup, which they build up. And

728
00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:53,989
S2: this is how we validated our technology and which is

729
00:36:53,989 --> 00:36:56,870
S2: making us completely unique. Nobody else has done that yet.

730
00:36:56,870 --> 00:37:00,050
S2: So basically there is a shielded room. There is no

731
00:37:00,050 --> 00:37:03,140
S2: kinds of emfs in any in any part of the room.

732
00:37:03,140 --> 00:37:07,730
S2: Everything is completely shielded off. And then you're putting in, um,

733
00:37:07,730 --> 00:37:10,100
S2: a sensor and you're putting in an antenna, and then

734
00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:13,970
S2: you're producing over a signal generator. You're producing the specific

735
00:37:13,969 --> 00:37:19,610
S2: frequencies like Wi-Fi, like Bluetooth, like 5G. And then you're putting,

736
00:37:19,610 --> 00:37:22,850
S2: for instance, the 5G frequency. Let's stick to that example

737
00:37:22,850 --> 00:37:26,839
S2: with 5.5GHz, and you're distributing it inside the room, and

738
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,870
S2: it's traveling from one place to another. And so the

739
00:37:29,870 --> 00:37:34,549
S2: only thing in this room in that moment is this 5G, 5G,

740
00:37:34,580 --> 00:37:38,420
S2: 5.5GHz frequency, which is traveling. And you can say, okay,

741
00:37:38,420 --> 00:37:42,740
S2: it's supposed to be 1V/m in terms of power. And

742
00:37:42,739 --> 00:37:46,489
S2: then we put our device inside of the room. And

743
00:37:46,489 --> 00:37:49,160
S2: then what we saw is that this field strength is

744
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,029
S2: being reduced. And this is literally how we were first

745
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:56,660
S2: able to verify our devices and the field strength protection.

746
00:37:56,660 --> 00:37:59,600
S2: And this is something which is really nice because it's

747
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,570
S2: actually according to the World Health Organization that it says

748
00:38:02,570 --> 00:38:06,380
S2: radiation protection means you are exposed to a lower field strength.

749
00:38:06,380 --> 00:38:09,259
S2: And this is exactly what the wave guard devices are doing.

750
00:38:09,260 --> 00:38:13,339
S2: And we are able to reduce the field strength by

751
00:38:13,340 --> 00:38:18,200
S2: up to 85% in the 5G frequencies, depending on how

752
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,150
S2: close you are to the radiation.

753
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:23,420
S1: Okay. So what I don't understand is, you know, if

754
00:38:23,420 --> 00:38:26,509
S1: I had the Wi-Fi on which I don't, it's behind me.

755
00:38:26,510 --> 00:38:28,669
S1: It's in that closet behind me I'm hardwired in right

756
00:38:28,670 --> 00:38:33,170
S1: now via Cat seven metal shielded Ethernet cable, which is

757
00:38:33,170 --> 00:38:34,820
S1: kind of how you access internet most of the time

758
00:38:34,820 --> 00:38:36,410
S1: in my house, but I have Wi-Fi. I could turn

759
00:38:36,410 --> 00:38:39,770
S1: it on if I wanted to, and if I did,

760
00:38:39,770 --> 00:38:42,380
S1: it's coming from behind me. I do have one of

761
00:38:42,380 --> 00:38:44,420
S1: these wave guards, like I mentioned in my office, but

762
00:38:44,420 --> 00:38:47,360
S1: it's in front of me. So technically the signal would

763
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,319
S1: be hitting my body before it even got. To like

764
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,450
S1: passing through the same area of the room that the

765
00:38:52,450 --> 00:38:55,120
S1: wave guard is in. Isn't that a problem? Like like,

766
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,870
S1: how would the wave guard actually reduce that field strength

767
00:38:58,870 --> 00:39:00,340
S1: before it hits my body?

768
00:39:00,820 --> 00:39:03,430
S2: Well, this is exactly the part that we have found

769
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:06,730
S2: out that our our conductive liquids, which are placed in

770
00:39:06,730 --> 00:39:10,660
S2: a specific geometric order that we are having effects on

771
00:39:10,660 --> 00:39:13,300
S2: for further reaches from the device. So you don't have

772
00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:15,700
S2: to be more near to your wave guard device to

773
00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:19,330
S2: protect yourself than to the source. And so, for instance,

774
00:39:19,330 --> 00:39:22,210
S2: to verify this, we were the first institution in the

775
00:39:22,210 --> 00:39:26,049
S2: whole world which published a 5G study. So we have

776
00:39:26,050 --> 00:39:28,600
S2: done the first 5G study in the whole world, which

777
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,700
S2: was just mind boggling to me when I found out

778
00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:33,460
S2: that they're launching this whole new technology without one study

779
00:39:33,460 --> 00:39:38,200
S2: out there. And so we also replicated their the system

780
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,830
S2: that we had an exposure system of 5G to human

781
00:39:41,830 --> 00:39:45,100
S2: skin cells. And then we had the wave guard device,

782
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:49,779
S2: which was like one or 1.5m away from the cell probes.

783
00:39:49,780 --> 00:39:53,050
S2: So the radiation source to the to the cells was

784
00:39:53,050 --> 00:39:56,350
S2: very close, and the wave guard device was further away,

785
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,460
S2: 1.5m around. And still the effect when we had the

786
00:40:00,460 --> 00:40:02,470
S2: wave guard device there was that there is not any

787
00:40:02,469 --> 00:40:05,740
S2: more the negative side effects happening, which the 5G was

788
00:40:05,739 --> 00:40:08,740
S2: imposing to the cells. And this is actually was one

789
00:40:08,739 --> 00:40:12,880
S2: of the most impactful studies, which we did. And I

790
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,100
S2: think which we have seen in the whole industry, it

791
00:40:15,100 --> 00:40:18,310
S2: was really it was really awakening for everybody because the

792
00:40:18,310 --> 00:40:22,120
S2: results were just shocking when we were looking at how

793
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,239
S2: a skin is healing and how it's closing a wound,

794
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,359
S2: basically a gap. It's doing this by replicating the cells

795
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,650
S2: and multiplying. And so then it's closing a gap. And

796
00:40:32,650 --> 00:40:36,760
S2: when we are exposed to 5G, this healing process was

797
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:41,830
S2: prolonged by 400%. So instead of a normal kitchen knife,

798
00:40:41,830 --> 00:40:44,740
S2: cut in your finger for instance, would take maybe normally

799
00:40:44,739 --> 00:40:47,350
S2: three days to heal. When you would be exposed to

800
00:40:47,350 --> 00:40:50,140
S2: a 5G signal, you would have a healing time of

801
00:40:50,140 --> 00:40:53,049
S2: up to 12 days. This is what the study was indicating.

802
00:40:53,290 --> 00:40:54,879
S1: Okay, so.

803
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:55,510
S3: That's.

804
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:59,620
S1: Interesting that it does that. But what's the proposed mechanism

805
00:40:59,620 --> 00:41:03,279
S1: of action here in terms of of it not being,

806
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,460
S1: you know, surrounding me or enclosing the entire space, but

807
00:41:06,460 --> 00:41:08,860
S1: rather just sitting in one part of the room, like,

808
00:41:08,860 --> 00:41:11,350
S1: have you hypothesized as to why you're seeing the results

809
00:41:11,350 --> 00:41:12,130
S1: that you see?

810
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:17,110
S2: Well, basically we have something which is by this conductive liquid,

811
00:41:17,110 --> 00:41:19,540
S2: which we were looking at at the torus field, which

812
00:41:19,540 --> 00:41:21,790
S2: is kind of a creation of that. You're having two

813
00:41:21,790 --> 00:41:25,149
S2: electric fields which are counter interacting in the same at

814
00:41:25,150 --> 00:41:28,330
S2: the same time in two different directions. And this is

815
00:41:28,330 --> 00:41:32,290
S2: basically what we found is responsible for this, and this

816
00:41:32,290 --> 00:41:34,630
S2: is what we are they're intending to do. But it's

817
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:39,040
S2: nothing which you can validate since the torus field, um, uh,

818
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,450
S2: investigation we have found out costs around 2.5 million. So

819
00:41:43,450 --> 00:41:47,410
S2: we have uh, we have stopped to investigate that. So

820
00:41:47,410 --> 00:41:50,200
S2: we are we are aiming for this functioning, uh, that

821
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,210
S2: we are creating this kind of torus field which is

822
00:41:52,210 --> 00:41:55,660
S2: covering your house, and you can determine how fast there

823
00:41:55,660 --> 00:41:58,690
S2: is the electron spin and how it's working the field

824
00:41:58,690 --> 00:42:01,330
S2: inside of the device. And then you actually can see

825
00:42:01,330 --> 00:42:04,660
S2: how far is the distance it's covering. But again, we

826
00:42:04,660 --> 00:42:07,239
S2: have been having a big change in our marketing in

827
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,740
S2: 2019 since we published and did there around 19 studies

828
00:42:11,739 --> 00:42:16,210
S2: to validate our, our products. And so we moved away

829
00:42:16,210 --> 00:42:19,270
S2: from that point of saying, okay, this is how everything

830
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:22,479
S2: works and we are claiming things, but we are just saying, okay,

831
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,780
S2: everything which is on our website is validated by studies.

832
00:42:25,780 --> 00:42:28,899
S2: And we have done now studies with the most recognizable

833
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:32,350
S2: institutions in the world. And now we have just last week,

834
00:42:32,350 --> 00:42:35,589
S2: we have just been officially funded by the European Union

835
00:42:35,590 --> 00:42:38,500
S2: and by Germany. Since they have validated now our technology

836
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:41,950
S2: and are starting to sponsor us, which also has something

837
00:42:41,950 --> 00:42:45,190
S2: to do because we got the, um, inventor of the

838
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:48,130
S2: year prize for the key technology, which is inside of

839
00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:51,820
S2: the units, just, um, 2023 key.

840
00:42:51,820 --> 00:42:54,640
S1: Is the technology that you named for this conductive liquid.

841
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,160
S2: Yes. That's a key liquid which we are using inside

842
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,980
S2: of the units. But the part about the torus field

843
00:42:59,980 --> 00:43:02,590
S2: and about how we're reaching this far field effects is

844
00:43:02,590 --> 00:43:05,020
S2: something which we are using mostly in the scientific area

845
00:43:05,020 --> 00:43:07,270
S2: where we are starting to research further and where we're

846
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:10,450
S2: working on. But it's nothing which we can officially claim.

847
00:43:10,450 --> 00:43:13,090
S2: I would say so, but in the most important part

848
00:43:13,090 --> 00:43:15,310
S2: is that we are seeing it in the real life

849
00:43:15,310 --> 00:43:18,880
S2: scenarios and in the field strength reduction tests that we

850
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,450
S2: can place a unit two, three, 4 or 5m away

851
00:43:22,450 --> 00:43:26,470
S2: from a radiation communication signal, which is happening, and that

852
00:43:26,469 --> 00:43:29,200
S2: we are still reducing the effects. And this is something

853
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,900
S2: which was astonishing, the labs and they were saying how

854
00:43:31,900 --> 00:43:34,210
S2: you do this, but it doesn't matter how you do it,

855
00:43:34,210 --> 00:43:36,340
S2: in the end, it's important that you can measure it,

856
00:43:36,340 --> 00:43:37,480
S2: and that's why we can claim it.

857
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,180
S1: Yeah. I guess I'm just curious on the how how

858
00:43:40,180 --> 00:43:41,500
S1: do you spell torus field.

859
00:43:42,010 --> 00:43:44,260
S2: T o r us.

860
00:43:44,290 --> 00:43:47,140
S1: T or us? Okay. So I think I understand here

861
00:43:47,140 --> 00:43:49,950
S1: in the same way that. To say human being produces

862
00:43:49,950 --> 00:43:53,220
S1: an electromagnetic field, right? We know that the Heartmath Institute

863
00:43:53,219 --> 00:43:55,770
S1: has been able to measure it. The human body also

864
00:43:55,770 --> 00:43:58,560
S1: produces light. You could actually measure that also via gas

865
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,580
S1: discharge visualization camera. What you're saying is that when I

866
00:44:02,580 --> 00:44:06,000
S1: have this device on the floor of my office, it's

867
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,600
S1: not just the size or the diameter of the device,

868
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:14,370
S1: that's the coverage area. It's actually creating an electrical field

869
00:44:14,370 --> 00:44:19,410
S1: that emanates out a certain number of feet from the device. Thus,

870
00:44:19,410 --> 00:44:23,460
S1: it technically is blocking a Wi-Fi that might be coming.

871
00:44:23,460 --> 00:44:25,320
S1: A Wi-Fi signal might be coming from behind me. Do

872
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:26,549
S1: I understand that correctly?

873
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:29,460
S2: There is no doubt in that. This is the part.

874
00:44:29,460 --> 00:44:32,340
S2: This is not an explanation. There is not about, you know,

875
00:44:32,340 --> 00:44:34,410
S2: do we believe in this? This is what we can measure.

876
00:44:34,410 --> 00:44:37,080
S2: We can see that if we're placing the device in

877
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,480
S2: the center of the house, in the center of a

878
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,350
S2: test environment, that five meters away, the the field strength

879
00:44:43,350 --> 00:44:46,080
S2: is reduced by a Wi-Fi, which is passing. And you know,

880
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:47,969
S2: you have it in your living room. The device will

881
00:44:47,969 --> 00:44:51,120
S2: stay in your example. And then you're having maybe, you know,

882
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,939
S2: 20ft away, you're having your master bedroom and you're having

883
00:44:53,940 --> 00:44:56,610
S2: their Wi-Fi router and you're having their your phone. Our

884
00:44:56,610 --> 00:44:59,279
S2: studies are showing that even if the device is 20ft

885
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,540
S2: away from your Wi-Fi router, which is connected to your phone,

886
00:45:03,540 --> 00:45:06,419
S2: for example, that's still there. The field strength reduction is

887
00:45:06,420 --> 00:45:07,770
S2: visible and measurable.

888
00:45:07,770 --> 00:45:10,110
S1: But the size of the device seems to impact this

889
00:45:10,110 --> 00:45:11,850
S1: because I went to your website and you've got one

890
00:45:11,850 --> 00:45:14,760
S1: that'll cover a whole office building. I've like one of

891
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,890
S1: my clients he just got when he travels around with

892
00:45:16,890 --> 00:45:20,130
S1: his backpack. I've got one in my refrigerator, I've got

893
00:45:20,130 --> 00:45:22,620
S1: one on the floor in my office and one underneath

894
00:45:22,620 --> 00:45:25,890
S1: the dining room table, and then one upstairs in the

895
00:45:25,890 --> 00:45:28,890
S1: master bedroom. These are like the home devices, but I

896
00:45:28,890 --> 00:45:31,589
S1: noticed the office ones a lot bigger. Is that because

897
00:45:31,590 --> 00:45:36,930
S1: you've got more of this conductive liquid inside the larger ones? Yeah. Okay. Yeah,

898
00:45:36,930 --> 00:45:39,390
S1: that makes sense. So walk me through the different devices

899
00:45:39,390 --> 00:45:41,910
S1: and the coverage area that they each produce.

900
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,879
S2: So the most popular device we have is the Qi

901
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,970
S2: shield device, which is kind of a hybrid device which

902
00:45:47,969 --> 00:45:51,239
S2: is not just for stationary use but also for mobile use.

903
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:56,130
S2: And this is the basically the best proven and scientifically

904
00:45:56,130 --> 00:45:58,859
S2: proven product in the EMF industry. There is no other

905
00:45:58,860 --> 00:46:01,530
S2: product which has done so many studies on just this

906
00:46:01,530 --> 00:46:04,290
S2: singular device. And this is a device which you travel,

907
00:46:04,290 --> 00:46:08,399
S2: which it's um, it's um, around like a, um, a

908
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,150
S2: water bottle, which is around. Yeah, like 120oz or something

909
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:17,129
S2: like that, um, of a of a water bottle. And

910
00:46:17,130 --> 00:46:19,980
S2: so there you have this mobile device which you can

911
00:46:19,980 --> 00:46:22,080
S2: carry with you, which is really handy. You can put

912
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,640
S2: it in your backpack, you can put it in your

913
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,190
S2: cup holder in your car. And it is having a

914
00:46:26,190 --> 00:46:29,580
S2: field which is covering 2.5m. I think that's what is

915
00:46:29,580 --> 00:46:32,220
S2: that around like nine feet or something like that. And

916
00:46:32,219 --> 00:46:34,680
S2: so this area is then protected and you can put

917
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,900
S2: it usually at your nightstand if you're sleeping, and you

918
00:46:36,900 --> 00:46:39,029
S2: can take it with you in your car, into your office,

919
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:41,370
S2: if you're going on about your day. And this is

920
00:46:41,370 --> 00:46:45,150
S2: basically a device for single households or something like that,

921
00:46:45,150 --> 00:46:47,280
S2: where you can just have one device with you and

922
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:48,450
S2: have everything kind of done.

923
00:46:48,450 --> 00:46:51,149
S1: And it does go through TSA. Sometimes they pull it out,

924
00:46:51,150 --> 00:46:52,920
S1: but you can't get it. You can't get it through.

925
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:53,399
S1: Yes we.

926
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,410
S2: Have. I've been traveling almost everywhere with it.

927
00:46:55,530 --> 00:46:57,540
S1: And I assume the reason you wouldn't have that as

928
00:46:57,540 --> 00:46:59,700
S1: like a wearable, like a necklace, is that the amount

929
00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:03,570
S1: of conductive liquid that's necessary would make a wearable too large,

930
00:47:03,570 --> 00:47:04,800
S1: too bulky. Yeah.

931
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:10,050
S2: And so this device is around $1,200, and it's, um,

932
00:47:10,050 --> 00:47:13,319
S2: our entry level product. And this is basically for carry

933
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,510
S2: with you and use at home. So it's kind of

934
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:17,880
S2: a hybrid device. Then we have the Qi home device

935
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,940
S2: which is covering a house with the EMF protection effects

936
00:47:20,940 --> 00:47:25,350
S2: and which is usually covering something around 3000ft² of a house.

937
00:47:25,350 --> 00:47:28,799
S2: And depending on your your layout, you know, if it's

938
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,520
S2: if it's really, um, if it's really similar sizes on

939
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,800
S2: the width and length of the house, then it's reaching

940
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,880
S2: its optimal reach and efficiency. And then you have the

941
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,600
S2: Qi max device, which is for larger spaces, which is covering, however,

942
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,299
S2: bigger houses, mansions and offices.

943
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:50,250
S1: This is interesting for anyone who wants a done for you.

944
00:47:50,250 --> 00:47:56,609
S1: Complete bio hacked home I am selling my entire tricked

945
00:47:56,610 --> 00:48:00,120
S1: out house located on eight and a half acres of

946
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:05,100
S1: forested land in Spokane, Washington. It includes a guest house,

947
00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:12,120
S1: pool house, barn, whole setup for garden goats, chickens, herbs,

948
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:18,150
S1: fire pit along with a ton of biohacking goodies. The air,

949
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:23,310
S1: the light, the water, the electricity is all completely tricked

950
00:48:23,310 --> 00:48:28,739
S1: out for optimized human biology. The highest quality air filtration systems,

951
00:48:28,739 --> 00:48:34,230
S1: natural lighting friendly to circadian rhythms, low EMF dirty electricity filters,

952
00:48:34,260 --> 00:48:37,830
S1: EMF blocking equipment throughout. Built to be off grid when

953
00:48:37,830 --> 00:48:41,850
S1: necessary with buried propane and solar grid toxin free and

954
00:48:41,850 --> 00:48:46,410
S1: low VOC construction materials. The most advanced water filtration systems

955
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S1: one can find. Massive vegetable garden, greenhouse, herb garden, outdoor

956
00:48:51,650 --> 00:48:55,550
S1: fire pit, goat and chicken grazing pasture and barn all

957
00:48:55,550 --> 00:48:58,279
S1: in a beautiful forest that's about 25 minutes from the

958
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,930
S1: airport and 20 minutes from downtown. This can all be

959
00:49:02,930 --> 00:49:06,260
S1: yours if you're looking for a place to get away

960
00:49:06,260 --> 00:49:09,530
S1: in a safe, natural area and you're looking for the

961
00:49:09,530 --> 00:49:12,680
S1: best of the best biohacks done for you, here's where

962
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,359
S1: you can go to check it out and to fill

963
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:19,790
S1: out a form with your interest. Bio hacked Spokane home comm.

964
00:49:19,790 --> 00:49:25,819
S1: That's bio hacked. Spokane home.com. Check it out. And I

965
00:49:25,820 --> 00:49:29,149
S1: would want that in a central location of my house

966
00:49:29,150 --> 00:49:31,160
S1: as possible. And my office is possible, right?

967
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:32,870
S3: Yes. Okay. But that's where.

968
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:33,589
S2: You spent most of your.

969
00:49:33,590 --> 00:49:34,400
S3: Time. Yeah.

970
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,589
S1: Now, if it's reducing the field strength, as you noted,

971
00:49:36,590 --> 00:49:39,440
S1: will that impact my speed? Like my signal speed?

972
00:49:39,830 --> 00:49:42,860
S2: Um, usually not significantly. You can notice that the pace,

973
00:49:42,860 --> 00:49:46,580
S2: depending on where you, um, where you place it, but

974
00:49:46,580 --> 00:49:48,799
S2: it's a way to find out if you're, um, you know,

975
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,520
S2: using it near the, the, the connection when you're really

976
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,529
S2: putting it near your Wi-Fi router then and you can

977
00:49:54,530 --> 00:49:57,529
S2: really start to see the effects on your speed. But anyway,

978
00:49:57,530 --> 00:49:59,210
S2: I recommend to go for wired.

979
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:00,020
S3: Okay.

980
00:50:00,020 --> 00:50:02,420
S1: What about like have you have you ever thought about

981
00:50:02,420 --> 00:50:05,750
S1: say clothing like is there a way to manufacture clothing

982
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:07,219
S1: that has the conductive liquid in that?

983
00:50:07,219 --> 00:50:10,850
S2: I guess the normal silver fabrics could be still something

984
00:50:10,850 --> 00:50:14,660
S2: which is more interesting than a clothing filled with liquids, uh,

985
00:50:14,660 --> 00:50:17,779
S2: from a weight point of view. But, uh, indeed, we

986
00:50:17,780 --> 00:50:20,390
S2: are bringing out again a smaller devices here. I can

987
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:22,399
S2: give you that much. Probably. We see again at the

988
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,650
S2: Health Optimization Summit in London, I believe.

989
00:50:24,650 --> 00:50:25,670
S3: Yeah. I'll be there. Yeah.

990
00:50:25,969 --> 00:50:29,780
S2: Yeah. So and, um, we are we are planning of

991
00:50:29,780 --> 00:50:33,319
S2: having their also our newest device. We had a key mobile.

992
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,839
S2: We had that in our line uh, some years ago,

993
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,360
S2: which was a really small, um, small device which you

994
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,940
S2: could literally carry in your, in your pocket, which was

995
00:50:40,940 --> 00:50:44,300
S2: smaller than a phone, and that one just didn't have

996
00:50:44,300 --> 00:50:47,569
S2: enough space to to have enough liquid for reaching the

997
00:50:47,570 --> 00:50:49,339
S2: 5G protection. If I were.

998
00:50:49,340 --> 00:50:51,410
S1: To like, take, take a hammer and smash this thing

999
00:50:51,410 --> 00:50:51,950
S1: with liquid, come.

1000
00:50:51,950 --> 00:50:53,299
S3: Out. Yes.

1001
00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:55,730
S1: Oh, wow. I didn't know that. Okay, that's good to know.

1002
00:50:55,730 --> 00:51:00,470
S2: And, um, so and then you have the, um. And

1003
00:51:00,469 --> 00:51:02,930
S2: so we are now planning of releasing this year the

1004
00:51:02,930 --> 00:51:06,259
S2: second generation of this key mobile, which will be 5G

1005
00:51:06,260 --> 00:51:08,690
S2: proven and which will contain much more liquid on a

1006
00:51:08,690 --> 00:51:12,320
S2: smaller space. And so that will be, um, one of

1007
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,810
S2: our new releases this year, which we are working on.

1008
00:51:14,810 --> 00:51:17,600
S2: And so I think that will be a very nice sensor.

1009
00:51:17,630 --> 00:51:19,969
S2: It's a very low entry product, and which is better

1010
00:51:19,969 --> 00:51:22,759
S2: than filling all of your clothing for with key liquid.

1011
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,560
S1: What about phone case? Could you make a phone case

1012
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,060
S1: and fill it with the liquid, or would it be

1013
00:51:26,060 --> 00:51:26,719
S1: too heavy?

1014
00:51:27,020 --> 00:51:29,480
S2: No, you could do that. You could do that. But

1015
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,600
S2: in general, the idea is to not just protect yourself

1016
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,669
S2: from your own devices. This was one of the most

1017
00:51:34,670 --> 00:51:37,580
S2: principal parts which we said in waveguide. We don't want

1018
00:51:37,580 --> 00:51:40,730
S2: to always lower your devices. You know, I have a

1019
00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:43,399
S2: phone here down here in the, um, in the side

1020
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,219
S2: of my desk, which is not almost having any kind

1021
00:51:46,219 --> 00:51:48,800
S2: of radiation. I use that, um, you know, when I

1022
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,260
S2: really have to do calls and things like that, and

1023
00:51:51,260 --> 00:51:54,920
S2: it's really pleasant for electrosensitive person to use it, but,

1024
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,810
S2: you know, it doesn't have all the nice gadgets, which

1025
00:51:56,810 --> 00:51:59,570
S2: we sometimes like to use and fancy in our devices.

1026
00:51:59,570 --> 00:52:01,490
S2: And the same would be about clothing and it comes

1027
00:52:01,489 --> 00:52:04,640
S2: to fashion size and everything. Right? So the thing is,

1028
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,600
S2: we're not speaking about want to dictate a person what

1029
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,690
S2: kind of devices they use and that they have to

1030
00:52:11,690 --> 00:52:14,660
S2: harmonize their own devices. We want to really say we

1031
00:52:14,660 --> 00:52:17,569
S2: want to create spaces which are safe. And this is

1032
00:52:17,570 --> 00:52:20,839
S2: our ambition. And especially we have the satellites, we have

1033
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,350
S2: the Wi-Fi neighbor. We have so many sources of radiation

1034
00:52:24,350 --> 00:52:27,020
S2: which we cannot turn off. And this is really something

1035
00:52:27,020 --> 00:52:30,230
S2: where we say, okay, we have seen in Wi-Fi that

1036
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:32,720
S2: the effects on the body are still, and when you're

1037
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,170
S2: 100m away, you're still having the stress reactions as a

1038
00:52:36,170 --> 00:52:39,620
S2: sensitive person to Wi-Fi. And this is just crazy since

1039
00:52:39,620 --> 00:52:41,840
S2: you can never escape it. And so we say, okay,

1040
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,660
S2: you place a device here, and in this way you

1041
00:52:44,660 --> 00:52:48,350
S2: actually have the benefits that all things which come inside

1042
00:52:48,350 --> 00:52:51,259
S2: of your house from the outside or which you produce yourself,

1043
00:52:51,260 --> 00:52:54,230
S2: are being in a better condition and less harmful.

1044
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:56,450
S1: Yeah. You brought up hardwiring the phone a couple of times.

1045
00:52:56,450 --> 00:52:58,250
S1: I wish more people knew. This is like less than

1046
00:52:58,250 --> 00:53:01,220
S1: ten bucks to get a USB-C to Ethernet or a

1047
00:53:01,219 --> 00:53:06,410
S1: lightning to ethernet converter cable on Amazon. And in my office,

1048
00:53:06,410 --> 00:53:08,630
S1: my phone is plugged into Ethernet, which is great because

1049
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:10,940
S1: I don't have that powerful of a signal, a cell

1050
00:53:10,940 --> 00:53:13,280
S1: signal in my office anyways, which means the radiation output

1051
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,650
S1: is going to be even higher from the phone. But

1052
00:53:15,650 --> 00:53:17,989
S1: a lot of people don't realize you can literally plug

1053
00:53:17,989 --> 00:53:20,030
S1: your phone into the Ethernet, and it works just fine.

1054
00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:22,790
S1: You do app downloads, anything you normally do. It's actually

1055
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:25,730
S1: kind of nice if you have the Wi-Fi off in

1056
00:53:25,730 --> 00:53:27,620
S1: your home and you don't want to rely on a

1057
00:53:27,620 --> 00:53:30,140
S1: cell signal, it's super convenient. I wish more people would

1058
00:53:30,140 --> 00:53:31,310
S1: do it. Yes.

1059
00:53:31,310 --> 00:53:34,700
S2: And so therefore, with our products, we're aiming towards not,

1060
00:53:34,700 --> 00:53:37,910
S2: you know, producing phone cases, not producing clothing, but having

1061
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:40,100
S2: a device. Now the new one is going to come

1062
00:53:40,100 --> 00:53:41,989
S2: out this year, which is going to be extremely small,

1063
00:53:41,989 --> 00:53:44,450
S2: which you can put in any jacket in any West.

1064
00:53:44,450 --> 00:53:46,880
S2: And you know, which you can still put into your

1065
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,359
S2: sport leggings as a. And if you're going jogging and

1066
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,370
S2: don't have a bag with you, you can still going

1067
00:53:51,370 --> 00:53:53,680
S2: to be able to carry that device with you and

1068
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,620
S2: have everything covered. And when you're speaking about clothing, how

1069
00:53:56,620 --> 00:53:59,200
S2: are you going to protect your your hat when you're,

1070
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,810
S2: you know, want to protect yourself with clothing from MPs?

1071
00:54:01,930 --> 00:54:04,870
S1: Hey, how big of an issue is Starlink, do you think?

1072
00:54:05,380 --> 00:54:06,190
S3: Well.

1073
00:54:06,610 --> 00:54:09,040
S2: It is one. It's just a next drop in the

1074
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,590
S2: whole barrel, which is already almost full. We are speaking

1075
00:54:11,590 --> 00:54:14,980
S2: about obviously signals, which are pretty much exposed everywhere. We're

1076
00:54:14,980 --> 00:54:17,590
S2: not having any more blind spots basically in the world

1077
00:54:17,590 --> 00:54:19,900
S2: where we can go where we can live without a signal.

1078
00:54:19,900 --> 00:54:22,930
S2: Those are getting harder and harder to find. And from

1079
00:54:22,930 --> 00:54:25,480
S2: my point of view, it was never really a solution

1080
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,960
S2: to say I'm moving somewhere because there is lower radiation,

1081
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,910
S2: because you don't know when they're going to pull up

1082
00:54:30,910 --> 00:54:33,700
S2: the next mobile phone tower next to that. And Starlink,

1083
00:54:33,700 --> 00:54:36,790
S2: you know, just tries to reach 100% coverage around the world.

1084
00:54:36,790 --> 00:54:40,000
S2: We have with Starlink 5G network on Mount Everest top.

1085
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,760
S2: So you know how far more remote off the wilderness

1086
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,310
S2: you want to go to escape radiation. It's not anymore

1087
00:54:45,310 --> 00:54:49,120
S2: really a possibility. And Starlink was just speeding up that process.

1088
00:54:49,540 --> 00:54:52,989
S1: So in your home you everything's Ethernet. You don't have

1089
00:54:52,989 --> 00:54:55,150
S1: anything that would be like a wireless signal.

1090
00:54:55,150 --> 00:54:59,230
S2: We have everything with Ethernet. But I'm also now testing

1091
00:54:59,230 --> 00:55:03,160
S2: a new technology which is actually wireless but without radiation.

1092
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,520
S2: And this is something which I'm playing around with for

1093
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,910
S2: new series of homes, so that you can actually have

1094
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:12,580
S2: some sorts of adapters to your, to your phones, to

1095
00:55:12,580 --> 00:55:15,400
S2: your TVs, to your tablets. And then you can have

1096
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,819
S2: a device inside of your house which is plugged into

1097
00:55:18,820 --> 00:55:22,359
S2: the Ethernet. And by that, you're actually connecting your devices

1098
00:55:22,570 --> 00:55:26,290
S2: to the internet without any radiation. So basically you're literally

1099
00:55:26,290 --> 00:55:29,500
S2: you would have it's like a small USB adapter, which

1100
00:55:29,500 --> 00:55:32,140
S2: you can put into your phone or into your tablet,

1101
00:55:32,140 --> 00:55:35,260
S2: and that enables you to connect to the, um, to

1102
00:55:35,260 --> 00:55:38,410
S2: the internet without any radiation. It's not using Bluetooth, it's

1103
00:55:38,410 --> 00:55:42,009
S2: not using Wi-Fi, but it's using a new technology which

1104
00:55:42,010 --> 00:55:45,730
S2: is being invented and produced. And I'm I'm working on

1105
00:55:45,730 --> 00:55:47,080
S2: bringing that also to mass market.

1106
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:51,310
S3: Does it have a name yet? Uh, it's leafy. Say it.

1107
00:55:51,310 --> 00:55:53,230
S1: Again. Leafy like leafy.

1108
00:55:53,530 --> 00:55:54,700
S3: Yes. Oh, it's.

1109
00:55:54,730 --> 00:55:57,280
S1: Actually a good name, but how far out are you?

1110
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,279
S2: Well, that's, uh, it's already there. It's just not really

1111
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,549
S2: available for consumer market. And so we're working on that.

1112
00:56:03,550 --> 00:56:04,419
S3: Oh, I'm sure.

1113
00:56:04,420 --> 00:56:06,250
S1: A lot of people will be interested if I get

1114
00:56:06,250 --> 00:56:09,430
S1: more updates on it. Uh, I'll keep the show notes updated. Folks,

1115
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:14,230
S1: go to Bengreenfieldlife.com Slash Wave Guard podcast. You can access

1116
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:14,680
S1: it there.

1117
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,870
S2: And so basically you can have a phone case which

1118
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:20,680
S2: has like a leafy adapter inside it incorporated in it.

1119
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,860
S2: And in this way you can, uh, you can connect to,

1120
00:56:23,890 --> 00:56:26,890
S2: to the internet without any radiation. But it's traveling by light.

1121
00:56:26,890 --> 00:56:27,339
S3: Got it.

1122
00:56:27,340 --> 00:56:28,840
S1: Why do you think it is? A lot of these

1123
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:33,250
S1: companies that are making, like the stickers, the harmonizing elements

1124
00:56:33,250 --> 00:56:36,969
S1: that you referred to earlier are publishing studies that indicate

1125
00:56:36,969 --> 00:56:39,970
S1: that they're having some kind of an effect, like Aristech.

1126
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,490
S2: Yeah, well, aristarkh, I have looked into that since. They

1127
00:56:43,489 --> 00:56:47,719
S2: sound really great. But you're looking into studies which come

1128
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,870
S2: only from Russia, from a long time ago, from people

1129
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:54,080
S2: which are not there. And um, so in Russia there

1130
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,020
S2: is also paid scientific work being done and so on.

1131
00:56:57,020 --> 00:57:00,379
S2: And we're not speaking about independent studies, which are really

1132
00:57:00,380 --> 00:57:04,640
S2: looking into the pathway of electromagnetic fields. So and this

1133
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,950
S2: is something where we have to be specific about, you know,

1134
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:11,120
S2: in the first way, you need to have a pathway

1135
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,910
S2: of how this is working. If we are going to study,

1136
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:17,210
S2: we can say, okay, our field strength is reduced and

1137
00:57:17,210 --> 00:57:19,790
S2: we can show that at our device does that. And

1138
00:57:19,790 --> 00:57:23,330
S2: it does that by distributing the radio wave on a

1139
00:57:23,330 --> 00:57:26,120
S2: bigger area. And that's why we also think there's biological

1140
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:27,980
S2: effects which is not any more harmful.

1141
00:57:27,980 --> 00:57:31,250
S1: Yeah. They're more measuring biological effects. They're not measuring field strength.

1142
00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:33,800
S1: They're measuring like red blood cell clumping for example.

1143
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,189
S2: Yes. Which is nothing which is scientifically approved. Red blood

1144
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:40,370
S2: clumping is something which is very commonly referred to. But

1145
00:57:40,370 --> 00:57:42,560
S2: we're not speaking about something which is used in real

1146
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,970
S2: scientific publications. And so when we're you have to just,

1147
00:57:46,970 --> 00:57:49,610
S2: you know, when we're looking in this kind of products,

1148
00:57:49,610 --> 00:57:51,680
S2: there is a huge market behind that. And there is

1149
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,570
S2: a lot, a lot of scam going on about this.

1150
00:57:53,570 --> 00:57:56,420
S2: I'm not saying that Airtex is doing that, but you

1151
00:57:56,420 --> 00:57:58,880
S2: have to look at the quality of studies. And when

1152
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,120
S2: you're looking at the when you're looking at their studies,

1153
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:06,260
S2: it does just tell you that the energy is is conductive,

1154
00:58:06,260 --> 00:58:08,360
S2: that there is a sensor inside which is conductive, and

1155
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,120
S2: that that is maybe having something to do with that.

1156
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,880
S2: So it sounds always very nice. And there, you know,

1157
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,880
S2: there's many companies which are hiding behind the word of

1158
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,880
S2: quantum and things like that. Yeah. And you know, usually

1159
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,130
S2: I heard that from a lot of biohackers always when

1160
00:58:22,130 --> 00:58:24,740
S2: they hear it's, uh, how it's functioning and then the

1161
00:58:24,740 --> 00:58:26,480
S2: word quantum comes, run away.

1162
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:26,960
S3: It's a good it's.

1163
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,390
S1: Good, it's a good, it's a good cop out because.

1164
00:58:29,390 --> 00:58:31,490
S1: Because quantum. Why are you following a carnivore diet? You know,

1165
00:58:31,490 --> 00:58:34,610
S1: because quantum. Uh, yeah, that is interesting.

1166
00:58:34,610 --> 00:58:35,090
S3: And this is.

1167
00:58:35,090 --> 00:58:37,010
S2: Usually, you know, then when you hear this, you got

1168
00:58:37,010 --> 00:58:40,460
S2: to be cautious. And that's usually a synonym for. We

1169
00:58:40,460 --> 00:58:42,620
S2: haven't been able to test it. We don't know another

1170
00:58:42,620 --> 00:58:45,890
S2: way to explain it. And so this is something where

1171
00:58:45,890 --> 00:58:48,170
S2: you got to be careful. But in this way you

1172
00:58:48,170 --> 00:58:50,480
S2: know we want easy solutions. We want to just, you know,

1173
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,460
S2: buy a product for 50 bucks, put it on our

1174
00:58:52,460 --> 00:58:55,190
S2: phone and thinks now we did something. In regards of Emfs.

1175
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:57,740
S1: You're actually the first person I've interviewed, by the way,

1176
00:58:57,740 --> 00:59:02,270
S1: about EMF Protection Technologies who has not used the word

1177
00:59:02,270 --> 00:59:05,060
S1: quantum during the entire interview until, you know, towards the

1178
00:59:05,060 --> 00:59:07,430
S1: end where you're pointing out that it's a it's an

1179
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:10,130
S1: inaccurate way to describe what these things do. So yeah,

1180
00:59:10,130 --> 00:59:11,120
S1: that makes sense.

1181
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,930
S2: So and this is usually there is no pathway. And

1182
00:59:14,930 --> 00:59:16,939
S2: this is the first part, you know we we can

1183
00:59:16,940 --> 00:59:19,970
S2: relate to the University of Athens where, you know, this

1184
00:59:19,970 --> 00:59:23,210
S2: is being studied and investigated and that our principle which

1185
00:59:23,210 --> 00:59:25,880
S2: we are following is something which is, you know, which

1186
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,220
S2: is familiar with the scientific world. This is how we

1187
00:59:28,220 --> 00:59:32,810
S2: got to the Fraunhofer Institute, which is the biggest scientific

1188
00:59:32,810 --> 00:59:35,240
S2: institute of Europe. We work with them. We did a

1189
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,750
S2: double blind study with them over seven days, where we

1190
00:59:38,750 --> 00:59:40,760
S2: were giving the people a key shield, and there was

1191
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,850
S2: a control group, there was a placebo group, and there

1192
00:59:43,850 --> 00:59:46,430
S2: was the real group, and we gave them the products,

1193
00:59:46,430 --> 00:59:48,980
S2: we gave them placebo devices, you know, and we did

1194
00:59:48,980 --> 00:59:52,130
S2: the whole thing. And we measured everything, all the pathways,

1195
00:59:52,130 --> 00:59:56,900
S2: all the biological parts with HIV, blood testing everything, sleeping

1196
00:59:56,900 --> 00:59:59,840
S2: surveys and everything. And then it gets published by the

1197
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:03,710
S2: university and not just by one scientist of Russia, but

1198
01:00:03,710 --> 01:00:06,680
S2: there is a whole university and a scientific institute with

1199
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,880
S2: 60,000 people standing behind that. And it takes years to

1200
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,700
S2: get to that level to even get access to do

1201
01:00:13,700 --> 01:00:17,060
S2: a study with them. You cannot just go to Fraunhofer,

1202
01:00:17,060 --> 01:00:19,940
S2: you cannot just go to Harvard or MIT and say,

1203
01:00:19,940 --> 01:00:21,840
S2: do a study on my device. I put here a

1204
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,680
S2: million bucks on your table. This is not how it works.

1205
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,410
S2: You have to have some reason to believe that you

1206
01:00:27,410 --> 01:00:31,130
S2: find results there. And this is what is really important.

1207
01:00:31,130 --> 01:00:34,910
S2: And therefore, you're also got to explain how is your

1208
01:00:34,910 --> 01:00:38,660
S2: principle of action. And if you cannot prove that if

1209
01:00:38,660 --> 01:00:40,790
S2: you're saying this is a black box, this is just

1210
01:00:40,790 --> 01:00:42,620
S2: a plastic card which you put on your phone and

1211
01:00:42,620 --> 01:00:45,380
S2: now the effects are going away, and then you ask Airtex,

1212
01:00:45,380 --> 01:00:48,050
S2: how is that doing that? Then you gotta you gotta

1213
01:00:48,050 --> 01:00:52,040
S2: have a trouble explaining, like, what's different about this plastic

1214
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,770
S2: than about, you know, tin foil.

1215
01:00:54,770 --> 01:00:56,810
S1: I know, I know, I almost called you out on

1216
01:00:56,810 --> 01:00:59,270
S1: it when you said proprietary conductive liquid until we actually

1217
01:00:59,270 --> 01:01:02,180
S1: got to the explanation. But but it actually does make sense,

1218
01:01:02,180 --> 01:01:05,210
S1: especially with my father being in the structured water industry.

1219
01:01:05,210 --> 01:01:08,060
S1: And I understand a lot about the potential of liquid to,

1220
01:01:08,090 --> 01:01:10,700
S1: to generate a field. So so it's very interesting. And

1221
01:01:10,700 --> 01:01:13,880
S1: by the way, I will be curious to to hear

1222
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:15,680
S1: what Aristech has to say too, because they run ads

1223
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,890
S1: on this podcast sometimes. So hopefully somebody from their company

1224
01:01:18,890 --> 01:01:22,400
S1: can jump into the comment section. Uh, if anybody from

1225
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,530
S1: Aristech is listening in and pipe in with your feedback,

1226
01:01:24,530 --> 01:01:26,810
S1: because I'd love to hear the the opposite side.

1227
01:01:26,810 --> 01:01:29,810
S2: If you look at the explanation, then you don't really find, uh,

1228
01:01:29,810 --> 01:01:32,570
S2: find something there. And it's really just saying, okay, there

1229
01:01:32,570 --> 01:01:36,230
S2: has been some conductive field strangers happening and so on.

1230
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:40,730
S2: And then you're looking at professors and single scientists from. Russia,

1231
01:01:40,730 --> 01:01:43,340
S2: which has been publishing something there. We are very close

1232
01:01:43,340 --> 01:01:45,740
S2: to paid research, and this is I'm going to now

1233
01:01:45,740 --> 01:01:48,200
S2: call hear something out. And this is and this is

1234
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,440
S2: the crazy part, Ben, when you're working in this industry,

1235
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,530
S2: there is so, so much money behind this. It's crazy

1236
01:01:54,530 --> 01:01:57,260
S2: and it's not pretty. It's not nice. But there is

1237
01:01:57,260 --> 01:02:01,670
S2: so much paid science behind this industry. It is crazy.

1238
01:02:01,670 --> 01:02:05,780
S2: So normally what happens is if your how's the letter

1239
01:02:05,780 --> 01:02:08,030
S2: going there? And this is really important to understand because

1240
01:02:08,030 --> 01:02:10,730
S2: studies is not studies. This is like not like, you

1241
01:02:10,730 --> 01:02:13,280
S2: know like you're not a medical doctor. We have to

1242
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,890
S2: earn our stripes. We have to earn our rights. Right.

1243
01:02:15,890 --> 01:02:17,660
S2: We can have some kind of knowledge, we can have

1244
01:02:17,660 --> 01:02:21,620
S2: some sorts of, um, education and so on. But then

1245
01:02:21,620 --> 01:02:24,380
S2: there are certain barriers which we also have to pass.

1246
01:02:24,380 --> 01:02:27,200
S2: And so the same is in the scientific world. So

1247
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:28,970
S2: the first thing what you can do is some kind

1248
01:02:28,970 --> 01:02:33,110
S2: of case studies. That's like me giving ten biohackers bias traps,

1249
01:02:33,110 --> 01:02:36,230
S2: letting them fill out surveys and giving them the devices

1250
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:37,910
S2: and ask them how they feel and so on. And

1251
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:39,350
S2: this is a case study.

1252
01:02:39,350 --> 01:02:40,010
S3: Yeah, I understand that.

1253
01:02:40,190 --> 01:02:41,630
S1: By the way, as you're going through this, give us

1254
01:02:41,630 --> 01:02:43,610
S1: the basic overview, because I don't have much longer for

1255
01:02:43,610 --> 01:02:44,450
S1: this interview.

1256
01:02:44,570 --> 01:02:47,240
S2: Well so next part is then you can take this

1257
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,930
S2: once to an institute which is doing this under controlled circumstances.

1258
01:02:50,930 --> 01:02:53,720
S2: And they you have to pay them really high money

1259
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:58,160
S2: to get some very unwell, uncontrolled results. Still because they

1260
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,820
S2: are usually giving your certificate of hey, this is emfs

1261
01:03:01,820 --> 01:03:05,990
S2: harmonizing and they are giving you some random approval. And

1262
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:08,660
S2: then you take this one to the next. Bigger institutes.

1263
01:03:08,660 --> 01:03:11,960
S2: When you're speaking about bigger institutes or universities and they

1264
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,000
S2: are going to ask you, show me some real studies

1265
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,460
S2: from an institute and not just a case study, and

1266
01:03:16,460 --> 01:03:19,040
S2: then maybe we'll take you and then they will take you.

1267
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,080
S2: And usually what you see is that the results are

1268
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:25,010
S2: dropping significantly. We have spoken to we had offers then

1269
01:03:25,010 --> 01:03:28,550
S2: from three universities, which came to ourselves after we published

1270
01:03:28,550 --> 01:03:32,990
S2: the study on the 5G cells and that we found out, okay,

1271
01:03:32,990 --> 01:03:35,030
S2: this the university come to us and say we want

1272
01:03:35,030 --> 01:03:37,670
S2: to replicate this because this is mind boggling what is

1273
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:40,430
S2: going on here. And this is where it gets interesting.

1274
01:03:40,430 --> 01:03:43,190
S2: And we have seen it ourselves. I have seen that researchers,

1275
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:47,390
S2: which we work with, they faked some sort of studies

1276
01:03:47,390 --> 01:03:49,070
S2: which we paid them to do, and we didn't want

1277
01:03:49,070 --> 01:03:51,200
S2: them to fake them. We didn't ask them to do that.

1278
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:55,040
S2: They just wanted to give you a result that they say, hey,

1279
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,320
S2: you know, you work or something like this. And then

1280
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,860
S2: you go to the higher grade peer of an institution,

1281
01:04:00,860 --> 01:04:04,250
S2: and then you don't see those effects being replicated. And

1282
01:04:04,250 --> 01:04:07,190
S2: this is a real big problem. And it's really about

1283
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:11,300
S2: finding good research. And there this is what we have

1284
01:04:11,300 --> 01:04:13,430
S2: put on our flags that we say everything which is

1285
01:04:13,430 --> 01:04:17,300
S2: on wayfair.com is being scientifically proven, and we are going

1286
01:04:17,300 --> 01:04:20,420
S2: the full way to the most recognized institutes in the world.

1287
01:04:20,420 --> 01:04:20,960
S3: I respect.

1288
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:25,070
S1: That. That's that's fantastic. And, you know, again, like I

1289
01:04:25,070 --> 01:04:27,230
S1: saw the studies on the website, I did some research

1290
01:04:27,230 --> 01:04:29,360
S1: before the interview and it actually is pretty impressive the

1291
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,760
S1: amount of research you guys have committed to that's not

1292
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,930
S1: just funded research or, you know, non controlled research. So

1293
01:04:35,930 --> 01:04:39,110
S1: it's super interesting. I'm going to link to your guys's

1294
01:04:39,110 --> 01:04:41,870
S1: website from the show notes. People go to Ben Greenfield

1295
01:04:41,870 --> 01:04:46,939
S1: Life.com slash waveguide podcast. Uh like Haagen said they're called

1296
01:04:46,940 --> 01:04:49,670
S1: key shield. These devices you can see the different sizes

1297
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:51,860
S1: and uh, maybe, maybe try out the small one first

1298
01:04:51,860 --> 01:04:54,920
S1: to see how you feel. But it actually is. It's

1299
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,950
S1: a very intriguing field. I'm super grateful that I was

1300
01:04:57,950 --> 01:05:00,320
S1: able to get on and talk with you about this. Hagan.

1301
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,810
S1: And I guess I'm going to be seeing you at the, uh,

1302
01:05:02,810 --> 01:05:05,660
S1: the fantastic Health Optimization Summit in London. Yeah.

1303
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:08,280
S2: Yes we are. We're a main sponsor.

1304
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:09,180
S3: Oh, cool.

1305
01:05:09,180 --> 01:05:11,790
S1: Oh, so people who go to that will, uh, get to, uh,

1306
01:05:11,790 --> 01:05:14,160
S1: get to try them out. So that's, uh, I'll put

1307
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,200
S1: a link to that London summit in June in the

1308
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,140
S1: show notes too, because I'll be there. It's a fantastic fantastic.

1309
01:05:19,140 --> 01:05:21,900
S1: It's like the Consumer Electronics Show for health and biohacking.

1310
01:05:21,900 --> 01:05:23,640
S1: It's incredible. You get to try out all these things.

1311
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:27,390
S1: So shout out to uh, to the health Optimization Summit.

1312
01:05:27,390 --> 01:05:29,310
S1: All right. I got to go. The show notes are

1313
01:05:29,310 --> 01:05:34,020
S1: going to be at Bengreenfieldlife.com Slash Wave Guard podcast. And

1314
01:05:34,020 --> 01:05:36,480
S1: until next time, I'm Ben Greenfield along with Hagan, Therese

1315
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:41,550
S1: from Key Technologies and Wave Guard signing out from Bengreenfieldlife.com.

1316
01:05:41,550 --> 01:05:42,510
S1: Have an amazing week.

1317
01:05:43,020 --> 01:05:44,280
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1318
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:49,320
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