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S2: Acting is very interesting because it is a protein that

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S2: So it is in the youth products. It's in the sunblock.

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S1: lot more. Welcome to the Ben Greenfield Life Show. Are

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S1: you ready to hack your life? Let's do this. Seems

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S1: How much would it cost? Like let's say I wanted

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S2: So we we deal in 60 days. That's that's how

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S1: Okay. For 60 days. So you'd be looking at if

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S2: Yes, exactly.

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S2: But also, if you imagine so if you I mean,

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S1: Right. Core core strength, knees over toes program, you know,

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S2: Yeah. Exactly that. That is the difference between spending 300,

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S2: 130,000 is actually only signalling for repair. The actual repair

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S1: What about peptides? I think last time you mentioned that,

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S2: Yeah. So a few things around. First of all, yes,

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S2: going to say what peptides we have. We have there.

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S2: You're just going to say skincare with peptides for that matter.

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S2: Tego is a hexapeptide. Okay. Is it Tigo? Yeah. Tigo PEPUP4.

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S1: How new is that one. Because I haven't heard that

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S2: It's just extremely expensive to formulate with.

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S2: Think we are one of two companies that actually use it.

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S1: Which one of your products is it in?

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S2: It's in the hyperbaric mask. Um.

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S2: It's pretty cool.

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S1: Why do you call it hyperbaric?

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S2: Because the original preparation of the mask, it's more it

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S2: And when this guy went berserk on this mask and

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S2: Yeah. Yeah. And this is something that is used in very,

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S1: Wow. That's incredible. Congratulations. The guy wanted for his whole

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S2: I'm not kidding. His. His assistant sends me texts every

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S1: That's funny. Okay, so. So we started talking about that

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S1: What is it again?

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S2: Tego. Yeah.

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S1: Tego. Tego. Peptide. You mentioned Spermidine, GCHQ copper peptide and spermidine.

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S1: And collagen too. It's kind of like a three parter question.

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S2: As far as collagen. Collagen is, like, extremely important. People

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S2: when you take protein, what your body does, it's breaking

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S2: ahead and do that. No, it's actually it's actually not

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S1: So let's say I'm going to supplement with collagen maybe

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S1: the inflammation piece. How are you how are you suggesting that?

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S1: Is that like dermarolling microneedling scrubs, things like that?

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S2: Yes. Um, the best is actually, um, buying like a

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440
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,129
S2: it also kind of bores a little bit and rolls out.

441
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,070
S2: Having said that, if someone has a dermaroller they should

442
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:25,450
S2: use it, but it's just not like optimal. It creates more, more, more. Um, um,

443
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,649
S2: trauma that isn't needed. It's not as precise. So stamps

444
00:25:29,650 --> 00:25:32,350
S2: there are like stamps both for hair and for skin.

445
00:25:32,350 --> 00:25:36,430
S2: And derma pin. They go in and out in 90 degrees,

446
00:25:36,430 --> 00:25:43,149
S2: so that's better. Um, but also, but also also things like, um,

447
00:25:43,270 --> 00:25:47,470
S2: by the way, even like manual facial massage to some extent.

448
00:25:47,470 --> 00:25:50,830
S2: Does it, uh, gua sha very not a lot, but

449
00:25:50,830 --> 00:25:53,590
S2: it does it to some extent. But then also, yes,

450
00:25:53,590 --> 00:26:00,609
S2: scrubs or um, more advanced things like lasers, obviously in office. Uh,

451
00:26:00,609 --> 00:26:02,770
S2: do it. Not to be confused with red light. I

452
00:26:02,770 --> 00:26:04,900
S2: think a lot of the times people think, oh, red

453
00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:07,119
S2: light therapy is just whatever the doctor is using to

454
00:26:07,150 --> 00:26:10,270
S2: rejuvenate my skin, just an at home version. So they're

455
00:26:10,270 --> 00:26:11,260
S2: actually very different.

456
00:26:11,290 --> 00:26:13,150
S1: What do you mean? The laser and the red light

457
00:26:13,150 --> 00:26:14,440
S1: are far different. Yeah.

458
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:18,070
S2: Far different. Like, one would, would actually be used for

459
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:21,040
S2: the purpose of getting absorbed and causing some damage in

460
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:26,010
S2: your skin. And the other is only hopefully creating chemical energy.

461
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,710
S2: More ATP, more cells, cellular energy.

462
00:26:28,740 --> 00:26:32,460
S1: My wife got lasered and pardon the expression, she looked

463
00:26:32,460 --> 00:26:36,600
S1: like shit for like two weeks, like full on inflammation,

464
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:39,209
S1: like bleeding, like shit. Like. And this was one of the,

465
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,170
S1: you know, cosmetic lasers. Way different than putting on like,

466
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,210
S1: you know, she has one of those higher dose red

467
00:26:45,210 --> 00:26:47,340
S1: light masks that you can wear. You know, when you

468
00:26:47,340 --> 00:26:49,409
S1: do a clay mask or to stimulate collagen in the

469
00:26:49,410 --> 00:26:52,440
S1: skin way different than that. Yeah.

470
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:55,230
S2: Also overdose wouldn't look the same, by the way. Like,

471
00:26:55,260 --> 00:26:59,250
S2: you know, you could not even if you asked me

472
00:26:59,250 --> 00:27:02,820
S2: when would be when are the mask is not very strong.

473
00:27:02,820 --> 00:27:05,070
S2: But let's say you use red light therapy a very, very,

474
00:27:05,070 --> 00:27:09,570
S2: very strong red light therapy product. Overdosing on it is

475
00:27:09,570 --> 00:27:13,530
S2: not going to look like like bleeding and scabbing and

476
00:27:13,530 --> 00:27:17,280
S2: things like that. It's going to be actually again, mitochondrial dysfunction.

477
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,669
S2: It's going to be a completely different overdose rather than

478
00:27:20,670 --> 00:27:22,620
S2: than actual damage.

479
00:27:22,619 --> 00:27:25,230
S1: Maybe some excess reactive oxygen species, that type of thing.

480
00:27:25,260 --> 00:27:28,560
S1: Which is why red light benefits top out around 2020

481
00:27:28,590 --> 00:27:32,040
S1: five minutes. You mentioned the stamp. What's the stamp?

482
00:27:32,190 --> 00:27:36,270
S2: So derma stamping. It literally looks like a little handle

483
00:27:36,270 --> 00:27:43,440
S2: and a square, um, or round needle bed. And you

484
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,370
S2: just go in and out so you basically stamp your skin. Um,

485
00:27:47,369 --> 00:27:50,580
S2: so it is very, very, very, very similar to Dermarolling,

486
00:27:50,580 --> 00:27:53,190
S2: but instead of having like a cylinder that you roll

487
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:56,790
S2: on your face with those needles, you literally just use

488
00:27:56,790 --> 00:27:59,820
S2: it like a stamp. You go up and down or

489
00:27:59,850 --> 00:28:02,790
S2: you know, away from you and towards your skin, and

490
00:28:02,790 --> 00:28:06,570
S2: that way you can have a much better control on

491
00:28:06,570 --> 00:28:10,290
S2: the angle that the that the needles actually penetrate the skin.

492
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,150
S1: And what about the pen? What's that?

493
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,320
S2: The pen has the you can imagine a stamp that

494
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,659
S2: is shaped like a pen and it has an engine

495
00:28:18,660 --> 00:28:25,020
S2: that would, that would, you know, Uh, go up and down. Um,

496
00:28:25,020 --> 00:28:30,450
S2: and that allows you to to mechanically micro-needle your face.

497
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,910
S2: So you move it like you're drawing with a pin

498
00:28:32,940 --> 00:28:36,810
S2: pen on your face, but the needles inside, inside that

499
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,640
S2: it's pretty large. So it's about a probably like a centimeter, um,

500
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,680
S2: in diameter, um, maybe two centimeters in diameter. And it would,

501
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:49,590
S2: it would basically have, you know, ten needles that go

502
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:52,140
S2: up and down and you're drawing on your face with

503
00:28:52,140 --> 00:28:55,440
S2: this thing or on your body, and the needles go

504
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,190
S2: in and out.

505
00:28:56,220 --> 00:28:58,470
S1: Okay. So let's say you had to choose between a

506
00:28:58,470 --> 00:29:01,650
S1: derma roller, a derma stamp or a derma pen, because

507
00:29:01,650 --> 00:29:03,900
S1: those three someone would be able to buy for their house. Yeah.

508
00:29:03,930 --> 00:29:06,000
S1: Which one do you think is superior?

509
00:29:06,030 --> 00:29:09,870
S2: The pen. The pen is superior. It costs more. And

510
00:29:09,870 --> 00:29:13,710
S2: also the disposable elements, because you need to replace needles

511
00:29:13,710 --> 00:29:15,930
S2: once in a while are going to be more expensive.

512
00:29:15,930 --> 00:29:18,510
S1: From a from from a time standpoint, does it take

513
00:29:18,540 --> 00:29:20,130
S1: way longer to do the pen? If you're going to

514
00:29:20,130 --> 00:29:22,190
S1: do your whole face versus a stamp or a roller?

515
00:29:22,220 --> 00:29:26,209
S2: No, no, it probably probably the pen is going to

516
00:29:26,210 --> 00:29:29,120
S2: be faster than than a roller or a stamp and

517
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,490
S2: a stamp and a roller should take the same amount

518
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:32,180
S2: of time.

519
00:29:32,210 --> 00:29:34,640
S1: Okay. How many times per week would you do that

520
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,670
S1: to allow for the proper amount of inflammation and then recovery?

521
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,910
S2: So I would do it a, you know, 1 to

522
00:29:40,910 --> 00:29:44,720
S2: 3 times per week. And it would depend on. By

523
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,340
S2: the way, if you're male or female, it also would

524
00:29:46,340 --> 00:29:49,220
S2: depend on that because testosterone plays plays a role here.

525
00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:55,520
S2: But um but and skin thickness etc.. Um, but it

526
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,860
S2: also depends on the depth of the needles. And again,

527
00:29:57,890 --> 00:30:00,530
S2: what you're doing is an adjunct to how you're treating

528
00:30:00,530 --> 00:30:05,270
S2: your body and for recovery, what products you use, etc..

529
00:30:05,300 --> 00:30:08,570
S1: Okay. What if I also have a scrub? Would that

530
00:30:08,570 --> 00:30:10,760
S1: play a role here? Like if what. Let's say I

531
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,530
S1: have a scrub and I have one of the derma

532
00:30:12,530 --> 00:30:15,560
S1: devices and I'm doing the derma, let's say the stamp

533
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,320
S1: or the pen 1 to 3 times a week. Would

534
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,390
S1: I then do the scrub a certain number of times

535
00:30:20,390 --> 00:30:21,410
S1: per week also.

536
00:30:21,620 --> 00:30:25,130
S2: First of all, the all of the needle based products

537
00:30:25,130 --> 00:30:28,100
S2: that we mentioned, they are actually they actually are aiming

538
00:30:28,130 --> 00:30:32,420
S2: to to stimulate a lower, lower level in the skin.

539
00:30:32,420 --> 00:30:34,760
S2: And obviously they go through the top of your skin

540
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,040
S2: to do that. But the reason I'm saying that is

541
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:43,220
S2: because the scrub isn't actually supposed to generate a lot of, um, trauma,

542
00:30:43,850 --> 00:30:46,610
S2: since it is since it is very blunt. The idea

543
00:30:46,610 --> 00:30:50,570
S2: is more to dislodge dead skin cells or you know,

544
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,900
S2: what is closer to it. Uh, basically the top, the

545
00:30:53,930 --> 00:30:57,650
S2: top most layer of your skin and most scrubs. For example,

546
00:30:57,650 --> 00:30:59,090
S2: I just sent you a scrub. I just didn't tell

547
00:30:59,090 --> 00:31:01,610
S2: you about it, but we sent you a scrub that's

548
00:31:01,610 --> 00:31:05,870
S2: called nail polish. And the idea is to actually assist

549
00:31:05,870 --> 00:31:14,270
S2: the other types of exfoliants that are there, enzymatic exfoliants, um, beta, like, uh, papain,

550
00:31:14,270 --> 00:31:19,810
S2: which is a obviously from papaya. Um, and some. So,

551
00:31:19,810 --> 00:31:23,050
S2: so papaya has some beta and alpha hydroxy acids. So

552
00:31:23,050 --> 00:31:29,050
S2: all of those things combined kind of release the top

553
00:31:29,050 --> 00:31:31,420
S2: most layer of the skin off. But they're not supposed

554
00:31:31,420 --> 00:31:34,120
S2: to actually penetrate all the way to the area in

555
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,340
S2: the skin where collagen is created.

556
00:31:36,370 --> 00:31:38,890
S1: So the scrub, how often would you do that then

557
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,090
S1: on a weekly basis?

558
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,990
S2: So most people will do it once a week. Um,

559
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:47,530
S2: the reason I mentioned testosterone or men and women is

560
00:31:47,530 --> 00:31:52,540
S2: because testosterone plays. It plays a key role in skin thickness.

561
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,050
S2: And obviously the thicker the skin is, the more you

562
00:31:56,050 --> 00:31:59,980
S2: can do those things. So men's skins tend to be

563
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,450
S2: everything else being equal 25% thicker. So you could do

564
00:32:04,750 --> 00:32:06,460
S2: these things more so you can go up to three

565
00:32:06,460 --> 00:32:10,660
S2: times a week. Um, and obviously it depends on the

566
00:32:10,660 --> 00:32:13,840
S2: person I know, women who do it five times a

567
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,620
S2: week because they built skin thickness and resilience through that?

568
00:32:17,650 --> 00:32:21,070
S1: Yeah. It's like building calluses on your hands almost the

569
00:32:21,070 --> 00:32:24,760
S1: the so minimalist routine that if I'm understanding you correctly,

570
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,220
S1: I use a dermaroller right now. After this conversation, I'm

571
00:32:27,220 --> 00:32:29,560
S1: going to look into switching to a stamp or a pen.

572
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,560
S1: And then I could, if I wanted, the full minimalist protocol,

573
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,320
S1: just do the derma stamp or the derma pen once

574
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,510
S1: per week and the scrub once per week.

575
00:32:37,540 --> 00:32:39,970
S2: I do have I do have something. I never talked

576
00:32:39,970 --> 00:32:44,860
S2: about it before. Um, but it's pretty cool. Uh, it's

577
00:32:44,890 --> 00:32:48,010
S2: a it's a Korean company. They actually are having a

578
00:32:48,010 --> 00:32:51,580
S2: lot of issues, like they're not succeeding that much because

579
00:32:51,580 --> 00:32:56,950
S2: their skincare didn't translate well to American standards. You need

580
00:32:56,950 --> 00:33:00,190
S2: to change a few things. The Korean skincare kind of

581
00:33:00,220 --> 00:33:03,280
S2: fad is a little funny because the formulas that come

582
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,120
S2: to America needs to be changed. So the their formulas

583
00:33:07,780 --> 00:33:10,120
S2: didn't change very well. But what they have, which is

584
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,930
S2: pretty cool, is a derma pen that the needles are

585
00:33:13,930 --> 00:33:20,710
S2: made out of hyaluronic acid and it's called stem. TOC. TOC. Stem. TOC.

586
00:33:20,860 --> 00:33:23,110
S1: Cool. I'll look it up. By the way, I'm taking notes,

587
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:24,310
S1: you guys. I'll put them in the show notes at

588
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:28,540
S1: Bengreenfieldlife.com slash yungoos too. So the Korean stem talk, is

589
00:33:28,540 --> 00:33:30,370
S1: it just like, crazy expensive or.

590
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,730
S2: I'm not sure how much it costs, to be honest,

591
00:33:33,730 --> 00:33:35,350
S2: but it shouldn't be a lot. Should be a few

592
00:33:35,380 --> 00:33:37,690
S2: hundreds of dollars. Maybe like two $300.

593
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,540
S1: Insider tip I know some people like to, especially if

594
00:33:40,540 --> 00:33:42,430
S1: they're listening in America, like to keep their business in

595
00:33:42,430 --> 00:33:46,090
S1: the USA, but you can get some pretty slammin deals

596
00:33:46,090 --> 00:33:48,760
S1: on Alibaba on some of this stuff. That's the same stuff.

597
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,950
S1: Some of the fancy skincare companies in the US are

598
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:52,570
S1: importing when it comes to devices.

599
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:58,270
S2: Yeah, actually, actually, the insider tip would be especially, uh,

600
00:33:58,270 --> 00:34:01,660
S2: especially useful here because there is regulation around the again,

601
00:34:01,690 --> 00:34:04,660
S2: the depth of the needles. And if someone wants to

602
00:34:04,690 --> 00:34:09,190
S2: kind of push the envelope, they start it at 0.25. Um,

603
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:13,540
S2: then they go to 0.5. That's the limit of what

604
00:34:13,540 --> 00:34:16,180
S2: you can use at home in the United States. But

605
00:34:16,180 --> 00:34:21,640
S2: you could go deeper. You could go one millimeter. So

606
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,240
S2: so you can buy those on Alibaba and they are

607
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,120
S2: your correct. It's the same ones that are used anywhere else.

608
00:34:28,150 --> 00:34:30,489
S1: Okay. Is there something to be said for the idea

609
00:34:30,489 --> 00:34:32,590
S1: of doing the red light right after you were to

610
00:34:32,620 --> 00:34:35,290
S1: take something oral, like the collagen and the vitamin C?

611
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,540
S1: Or does it matter as long as you're doing it

612
00:34:37,540 --> 00:34:39,490
S1: daily and it's in your bloodstream and your red lights

613
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:40,060
S1: just done.

614
00:34:40,060 --> 00:34:43,300
S2: Whenever there is something to say about that, because you

615
00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:47,710
S2: are releasing nitric oxide from the mitochondria, pretty, pretty, um,

616
00:34:47,739 --> 00:34:52,660
S2: instant instantaneously. And that would bring more blood that is

617
00:34:52,660 --> 00:34:57,370
S2: statistically enriched with those with those compounds to the areas

618
00:34:57,370 --> 00:35:00,100
S2: that you're irradiating. I would say if you're doing a

619
00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:03,100
S2: full body panel, that's a little bit irrelevant. If you're

620
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:07,210
S2: interested in, you know, the lines on your forehead, right? Um,

621
00:35:07,210 --> 00:35:10,240
S2: but also you you do want to consider the time

622
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,500
S2: that it takes to metabolize what you took.

623
00:35:13,530 --> 00:35:15,960
S1: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. Okay, so

624
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,580
S1: you can have your cup of coffee, maybe do some

625
00:35:17,580 --> 00:35:19,739
S1: of your morning work and, you know, for your second

626
00:35:19,739 --> 00:35:21,899
S1: round of emails or whatever, you know, after you've sipped

627
00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:24,690
S1: your cup of coffee with some collagen or drank a

628
00:35:24,690 --> 00:35:26,760
S1: glass of water with some vitamin C and collagen, put

629
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,550
S1: one of those red light masks on and, you know, 30,

630
00:35:29,580 --> 00:35:31,230
S1: 45 minutes later or something like that.

631
00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:33,180
S2: Yeah, I actually know a lot of people who are

632
00:35:33,180 --> 00:35:36,870
S2: doing it for BPC 157 and Shineon.

633
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,260
S1: Oh, that would be more for like like joint support.

634
00:35:40,260 --> 00:35:44,370
S1: Meaning you would you would inject BPC 157 into a

635
00:35:44,370 --> 00:35:46,799
S1: joint that's injured and then layer on top of that

636
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,890
S1: red light therapy like the kinnelon to, to speed up healing.

637
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,530
S2: Not even to a joint like you would, you would

638
00:35:52,530 --> 00:35:56,130
S2: inject BPC 157, you know, to your belly fat and

639
00:35:56,130 --> 00:35:58,379
S2: you would irradiate your knee. And since that's in your

640
00:35:58,380 --> 00:36:01,560
S2: bloodstream pretty quickly, you're going to get more of it there.

641
00:36:01,590 --> 00:36:04,110
S1: Yeah. There's a guy in the healthcare industry, Doctor Todd.

642
00:36:04,140 --> 00:36:06,900
S1: I always butcher his last name. It's like oviedo's or

643
00:36:06,930 --> 00:36:09,779
S1: avocados or something like that. But he does stem cell

644
00:36:09,810 --> 00:36:14,550
S1: therapies where he'll administer stem cells and then use red light.

645
00:36:14,580 --> 00:36:17,819
S1: I know another guy who does it with electrical modalities

646
00:36:17,820 --> 00:36:20,069
S1: to draw the stem cells into the area of the

647
00:36:20,070 --> 00:36:23,790
S1: tissue where healing is desired. So this is a similar approach.

648
00:36:23,790 --> 00:36:27,780
S1: You could inject some healing peptide like BPC 157 or

649
00:36:27,780 --> 00:36:32,640
S1: TB 500 subcutaneously near the abdominals, then slap red light

650
00:36:32,670 --> 00:36:35,940
S1: on a region that's injured and expect there to be

651
00:36:35,940 --> 00:36:38,430
S1: some kind of a paracrine signaling effect of the red

652
00:36:38,430 --> 00:36:40,680
S1: light that would draw the peptides into that area.

653
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:43,350
S2: Yes, but also for. So actually, what I'm going to

654
00:36:43,350 --> 00:36:48,180
S2: say right now applies both to any type of, of biologics,

655
00:36:48,210 --> 00:36:54,630
S2: you know, stem cells, exosomes, PRP and some peptides that

656
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:58,469
S2: are involved in collagen specifically, which BPC would be one

657
00:36:58,469 --> 00:37:02,370
S2: of them, that most of the the supportive effects are

658
00:37:02,370 --> 00:37:05,610
S2: going to be using red light therapy, not only a

659
00:37:05,610 --> 00:37:10,080
S2: time of injection, but continuously because red light is shown

660
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:16,549
S2: to to improve the scaffolding of collagen. For example, some

661
00:37:16,580 --> 00:37:19,730
S2: something called lubricants, which are kind of what the the

662
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,660
S2: what builds collagen. And the same would go for the

663
00:37:23,660 --> 00:37:27,860
S2: proliferation of stem cells. It would assist the proliferation. So

664
00:37:27,860 --> 00:37:30,080
S2: it's not only a time of injection. It's something that

665
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,000
S2: you want to do continuously. And that I think is

666
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,000
S2: very important to say about red light in general. It

667
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,650
S2: is not something you can do one time and it

668
00:37:36,650 --> 00:37:39,290
S2: would help with anything you really want to do it,

669
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,690
S2: you know, every other day for that matter.

670
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,240
S1: You're the second guest who's brought that up. Actually, Forrest

671
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,380
S1: from Kinnelon, who I interviewed, he highlighted the collagen building

672
00:37:48,380 --> 00:37:51,080
S1: and the pain reducing benefits of red light therapy for

673
00:37:51,110 --> 00:37:54,500
S1: a joint done pretty consistently. Like like putting on the

674
00:37:54,530 --> 00:37:58,340
S1: kinnelon around a bum knee every 24 hours for 20 minutes,

675
00:37:58,370 --> 00:38:00,440
S1: you know, for a couple of weeks at least to

676
00:38:00,469 --> 00:38:03,140
S1: constantly stimulate the body. And frankly, I have some areas

677
00:38:03,140 --> 00:38:05,779
S1: of my body that are just beat up from life. Like, yeah,

678
00:38:05,810 --> 00:38:08,330
S1: my left knee is probably at about 90%. You know,

679
00:38:08,330 --> 00:38:10,799
S1: it used to be probably 60%, but thanks to stem

680
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,670
S1: cells and some regenerative medicine protocols, it's pretty good now.

681
00:38:14,670 --> 00:38:17,730
S1: But I literally keep one of those Kenyan red lights

682
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,020
S1: up by my laptop computer workstation, and every time I

683
00:38:22,050 --> 00:38:23,910
S1: sit down to breakfast, I just wrap it around my knee.

684
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:27,029
S1: So I just do red light every day, and it'll

685
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:28,560
S1: probably just be something I do for the rest of

686
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:29,580
S1: my life on that joint.

687
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:33,029
S2: Yeah, because what you cannot do, and that could be

688
00:38:33,330 --> 00:38:37,230
S2: that does happen in this facial skin as well. There

689
00:38:37,230 --> 00:38:41,520
S2: are structural changes and that's something. So in Copenhagen in 2022,

690
00:38:41,550 --> 00:38:45,660
S2: they they attempted to add like a few more hallmarks

691
00:38:45,660 --> 00:38:47,879
S2: of aging to the list. And one of them is

692
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,180
S2: mechanical changes to the tissue. So if you have mechanical

693
00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:55,080
S2: changes that create constant inflammation, red light is not going

694
00:38:55,110 --> 00:38:58,350
S2: to be able to to do much with it. Nor

695
00:38:58,350 --> 00:39:03,330
S2: would you know most other other things. Stem cells included. Right.

696
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,820
S2: Like I tried to inject stem cells, not myself, but

697
00:39:05,850 --> 00:39:08,410
S2: I had stem cells injected into my knee after I

698
00:39:08,410 --> 00:39:11,649
S2: had a bucket handle tear in my meniscus. It didn't

699
00:39:11,650 --> 00:39:15,130
S2: prevent surgery because I had a flap like flopping around there. So.

700
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,810
S1: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. If there's actually an anatomical piece of

701
00:39:19,810 --> 00:39:22,330
S1: debris in the knee. Yeah, you do have to get

702
00:39:22,330 --> 00:39:24,520
S1: that out. Like there's nothing to dissolve that. At least

703
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,250
S1: not yet. There's no form of shockwave or ultrasound or

704
00:39:27,250 --> 00:39:30,730
S1: anything that'll just get rid of that, unfortunately. So you're right.

705
00:39:30,730 --> 00:39:34,600
S1: It does kind of depend. Now, what about hydration? There

706
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,370
S1: was an email you sent me at one point where

707
00:39:36,370 --> 00:39:39,850
S1: you were talking about structured water, and I caught my

708
00:39:39,850 --> 00:39:43,600
S1: attention because, you know, my my father and my brother

709
00:39:43,630 --> 00:39:46,660
S1: and my sister, they're all in the structured water filtration industry.

710
00:39:46,660 --> 00:39:49,330
S1: I got one of those whole house filtered water units

711
00:39:49,330 --> 00:39:52,420
S1: that make structured water. But what's the link between that

712
00:39:52,420 --> 00:39:53,469
S1: and the skin?

713
00:39:53,890 --> 00:39:58,060
S2: So I think I think it's it's a big conversation

714
00:39:58,060 --> 00:40:01,930
S2: about structured water in general. But I would start by saying,

715
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,410
S2: you know why. What what's the relationship between like hydration

716
00:40:05,410 --> 00:40:09,759
S2: in general in the skin and a debate on how

717
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,240
S2: much you need to drink or anything like that is

718
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:17,290
S2: beside the point. Like we know, hydration leads to anything

719
00:40:17,290 --> 00:40:24,850
S2: from like dryness, flakiness, dullness, premature aging, uh, compromising the

720
00:40:24,850 --> 00:40:30,759
S2: function of skin barrier and elasticity, um, reduces our ability

721
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:38,140
S2: to protect our, our DNA against environmental stressors. So in general,

722
00:40:38,170 --> 00:40:40,569
S2: you know, it's important to be hydrated as far as

723
00:40:40,570 --> 00:40:43,150
S2: the skin is concerned. But that's easier said than done.

724
00:40:43,780 --> 00:40:49,000
S2: And that's, I think, where water restructuring in the skin, um,

725
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:56,740
S2: plays a very, very, very interesting role. Um, so just

726
00:40:56,739 --> 00:41:00,339
S2: just to give a very, very short explanation. So restructured

727
00:41:00,340 --> 00:41:04,960
S2: water is like organized stable water molecule that can enhance

728
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,940
S2: skin hydration because it's easier for your cells to kind

729
00:41:07,940 --> 00:41:10,759
S2: of usher usher those structures in.

730
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:17,120
S1: Usually because of hydrogen oxygen bonding that's induced by that water.

731
00:41:17,150 --> 00:41:20,330
S1: Are they having passed through something that almost like electrically

732
00:41:20,330 --> 00:41:25,759
S1: activates it, like a body of minerals? Or in other cases,

733
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,660
S1: water that's been activated by certain spectrums and wavelengths of light,

734
00:41:29,660 --> 00:41:30,410
S1: like red light?

735
00:41:30,830 --> 00:41:35,960
S2: Yeah, exactly. Um, and that's and that's pretty interesting because

736
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,580
S2: you can actually also, um, create more energy in your

737
00:41:40,580 --> 00:41:44,690
S2: mitochondria because even mechanical parts of the mitochondria that need

738
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:50,180
S2: to move even move better. Okay. Um, but it also

739
00:41:50,210 --> 00:41:55,910
S2: improves moisture retention. So, um, we can build skin barrier

740
00:41:55,910 --> 00:42:01,610
S2: better with structured water. Um, and again, we when we

741
00:42:01,610 --> 00:42:06,240
S2: improve skin barrier, we prevent something called transepidermal water loss,

742
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,400
S2: which is why you get chapped lips when you go

743
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,300
S2: to Vegas, because you're losing more moisture to the environment,

744
00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:17,219
S2: for that matter. So, um, what I emailed you about

745
00:42:17,219 --> 00:42:21,720
S2: is a molecule that's now really taking, um, the skincare

746
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:26,040
S2: industry by storm. Again, what I love about part of

747
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,190
S2: what we do is, is that we are not the

748
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:34,050
S2: innovator of a technology. We just wholeheartedly adopt it. And

749
00:42:34,050 --> 00:42:36,000
S2: then we can see that we were right. Other companies

750
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:41,430
S2: do it as well. And Ectoine protein is one of those, uh,

751
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:42,690
S2: one of those molecules.

752
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,480
S1: Ectoine like s t o I n.

753
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:50,100
S2: Yeah. Okay. And the I would say the better version

754
00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:53,100
S2: or the version that is studied more is actually called

755
00:42:53,100 --> 00:42:54,090
S2: ecto natural.

756
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:54,750
S1: Okay.

757
00:42:55,020 --> 00:42:58,740
S2: And ecto is very interesting because it is a protein

758
00:42:58,739 --> 00:43:03,000
S2: that is expressed in tardigrades. And these are, uh, water

759
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,010
S2: bears if you want to call them water teddy bears.

760
00:43:05,010 --> 00:43:06,600
S2: I don't know how they call them, but these are

761
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,920
S2: little animals. They're called extremophiles. They can live in extreme,

762
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,339
S2: extreme environments. Oh, yeah, I've seen these. Yeah, yeah. First

763
00:43:14,340 --> 00:43:16,290
S2: of all, they're very cute under a microscope. But they,

764
00:43:16,290 --> 00:43:19,950
S2: they they can live in very salty water. They say

765
00:43:19,950 --> 00:43:24,150
S2: that they can even survive like the on the outside of, uh, of, uh,

766
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:27,960
S2: spaceships when they, when they go out of the atmosphere.

767
00:43:28,260 --> 00:43:30,900
S1: Cute and very tough. Just like my wife. Yeah, yeah.

768
00:43:31,860 --> 00:43:36,359
S2: Yeah. And, um, they found out that the way that

769
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,720
S2: these creatures survive is that they have this protein. And

770
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,270
S2: this protein, first of all, has high affinity to water.

771
00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:44,760
S2: It can actually kind of amass a lot of water

772
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,120
S2: around it. It can contain a, you know, a thousand

773
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,850
S2: times its molecular weight in water. But what it can

774
00:43:50,850 --> 00:43:53,910
S2: also do is it can change the structure of water

775
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:57,120
S2: and structure water. And it does it around proteins, it

776
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,580
S2: does it around the cells of that organism. So it

777
00:43:59,580 --> 00:44:05,630
S2: actually protects against anything from like radiation to, um, different,

778
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:13,850
S2: different aggressors through that, what we call water shell. So what, uh,

779
00:44:13,850 --> 00:44:16,460
S2: Ecto Natural doesn't. And we assume Ecto one does it

780
00:44:16,460 --> 00:44:20,900
S2: as well. It just less studies around it. Is that it?

781
00:44:20,930 --> 00:44:25,759
S2: It can actually create a protective shell around skin cells

782
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,859
S2: as well. So it can stabilize water. So so they

783
00:44:30,890 --> 00:44:36,860
S2: are more available to cells. It can reduce dehydration and wrinkles.

784
00:44:36,860 --> 00:44:40,580
S2: It as I said it can reinforce skin barrier and

785
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,840
S2: uh prevent transepidermal water loss. But what I think is

786
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,480
S2: the hidden piece here and that we can see in

787
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,980
S2: higher percentages that I think only us and another company

788
00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:56,870
S2: out of Taiwan, which does it for medical, uh, recovery from,

789
00:44:56,870 --> 00:45:01,670
S2: from surgery is that it can actually protect from environmental

790
00:45:01,670 --> 00:45:06,410
S2: stressors like UV, like blue light, like pollution, and like EMF.

791
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,650
S1: Is that what you put into your, um, your, uh,

792
00:45:09,650 --> 00:45:11,090
S1: your your sunblock?

793
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,600
S2: Yeah, we put it now. We're obsessed. We're obsessed with putting.

794
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:16,730
S2: We're putting it almost everywhere. So it is in the

795
00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:21,170
S2: youth products. It's in the sunblock. Almost all products we're

796
00:45:21,170 --> 00:45:22,819
S2: going to come out with are going to have that,

797
00:45:22,820 --> 00:45:25,610
S2: because it is a game changer. And one of the

798
00:45:25,610 --> 00:45:28,009
S2: things that you can measure, and that's I think the

799
00:45:28,010 --> 00:45:31,400
S2: only product that ever does that. If you think of

800
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:36,140
S2: a moisturizer, you really aren't you really aren't moisturizing the skin.

801
00:45:36,140 --> 00:45:39,350
S2: You can prevent the skin from losing moisture. And you

802
00:45:39,350 --> 00:45:42,530
S2: can you can increase the, the the feeling that you

803
00:45:42,530 --> 00:45:45,890
S2: have of of hydration. But it's a user experience. If

804
00:45:45,890 --> 00:45:50,780
S2: you really measure how much water are used by a cell,

805
00:45:50,989 --> 00:45:56,120
S2: almost no difference. But Ectoine doesn't only increase that, it

806
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:00,140
S2: actually has an 11 day carryover. It means that. Let's

807
00:46:00,140 --> 00:46:03,259
S2: say you stopped using it. Your cells still have more

808
00:46:03,260 --> 00:46:05,989
S2: water than they would have otherwise for 11 days.

809
00:46:06,020 --> 00:46:09,830
S1: That's incredible. And then the sunblock. By the way, I

810
00:46:09,830 --> 00:46:12,530
S1: learned this from you. I started putting it on when

811
00:46:12,530 --> 00:46:16,460
S1: I'm in airplanes, going through airports. Kind of like going

812
00:46:16,460 --> 00:46:18,770
S1: out around the city, even on a cloudy day. Like

813
00:46:18,770 --> 00:46:23,150
S1: going around new roads, toxins, pollutants. ET cetera. And there's

814
00:46:23,180 --> 00:46:26,180
S1: there's something about it that when it comes to skin protection,

815
00:46:26,180 --> 00:46:31,340
S1: that goes beyond just protecting yourself from UVA and UVB radiation.

816
00:46:31,340 --> 00:46:32,959
S1: Did I understand that correctly?

817
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,549
S2: Yeah. So what we do is we have a few, um,

818
00:46:37,550 --> 00:46:41,510
S2: really cool things there that address. So just to throw

819
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:44,090
S2: some statistics there, if a person lives in a city

820
00:46:44,090 --> 00:46:49,460
S2: they age significantly less from UV, mainly UVB, which which

821
00:46:49,610 --> 00:46:51,379
S2: well from UV in general.

822
00:46:51,469 --> 00:46:53,210
S1: Because they're because they're inside more.

823
00:46:53,330 --> 00:46:55,880
S2: Because they're inside more. And just because other things are

824
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,280
S2: more prominent, like pollution. Like. Like EMF. Like blue light.

825
00:47:00,310 --> 00:47:02,319
S2: By the way, if you go to your office at

826
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,770
S2: 7 a.m. and you come back to your house at

827
00:47:05,770 --> 00:47:09,580
S2: 5 p.m., the amount of UV we're exposed to is

828
00:47:09,580 --> 00:47:12,759
S2: pretty minimal. And if you know what you were exposed

829
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:17,140
S2: to is artificial blue light, that I'll give a statistic.

830
00:47:17,140 --> 00:47:21,670
S2: Artificial blue light lowers mitochondrial activity almost as much as

831
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:24,130
S2: red light increases it. So if you're if you think

832
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:28,299
S2: you're cute, read ten 20 minute, uh, red light therapy

833
00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:31,210
S2: panel or mask were good. Then it equated to like

834
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,090
S2: eight hours under blue light. Artificial blue light by the.

835
00:47:34,090 --> 00:47:37,210
S1: Way, unless unless you you shop like I do and

836
00:47:37,210 --> 00:47:39,370
S1: go to either bond, charge or block blue light and

837
00:47:39,370 --> 00:47:43,120
S1: get the non blue light, you know biological LEDs. But yeah,

838
00:47:43,150 --> 00:47:45,460
S1: in most cases you're not going to convince your employer

839
00:47:45,460 --> 00:47:47,500
S1: to replace all the cans at the office.

840
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,080
S2: Yes. And if you and if you, if you do

841
00:47:50,110 --> 00:47:51,940
S2: I think you should take like an employee of the

842
00:47:51,940 --> 00:47:57,190
S2: month or whatever. But, uh, so that's one thing. The

843
00:47:57,190 --> 00:48:00,879
S2: other thing is EMF, which is very difficult unless you've

844
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:06,250
S2: really engineered your life around preventing your exposure to EMF.

845
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,550
S2: It's just extremely difficult for, for for people.

846
00:48:09,580 --> 00:48:11,620
S1: Now I gotta I gotta jump because people are gonna ask,

847
00:48:11,650 --> 00:48:13,390
S1: are you just saying that? Or is there actual studies

848
00:48:13,390 --> 00:48:16,450
S1: that show that, like, exposure to electromagnetic frequencies can impact

849
00:48:16,450 --> 00:48:18,160
S1: skin health? Oh, yeah.

850
00:48:18,190 --> 00:48:23,080
S2: Not not, by the way. Not only, um, skin health

851
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:27,100
S2: in totality, different things within skin health. So we there

852
00:48:27,130 --> 00:48:32,290
S2: studies show that EMF exposure increases oxidative stress. Most of

853
00:48:32,290 --> 00:48:34,120
S2: the things that we're going to talk about, by the way,

854
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:40,750
S2: whether it is pollution, UV, um, heavy metals, um, blue

855
00:48:40,780 --> 00:48:44,950
S2: light and EMF, they're all broken down the same way.

856
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:48,370
S2: We said, well, protein is just it's amino acids. At

857
00:48:48,370 --> 00:48:50,439
S2: the end of the day, all of those aggressors in

858
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:55,650
S2: your skin equate are equal. More oxidative stress, more free radicals.

859
00:48:55,650 --> 00:48:59,910
S2: Most of them are oxygen based. So your body has

860
00:48:59,910 --> 00:49:04,320
S2: innate an innate ability to fight some of them off.

861
00:49:04,350 --> 00:49:09,660
S2: I mean, obviously we know glutathione, the body's master antioxidant,

862
00:49:09,660 --> 00:49:15,300
S2: is there for some. Some of its function is that reason. Um,

863
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:18,900
S2: but EMF, since it's constant, since the waves are built

864
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:22,950
S2: to really travel through you, uh, it really messes up

865
00:49:23,010 --> 00:49:26,040
S2: skin barrier and it really messes up the the balance

866
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:30,030
S2: between the amount of antioxidants we can express and oxidative

867
00:49:30,030 --> 00:49:34,830
S2: stress that is generated. So one of the things that

868
00:49:34,830 --> 00:49:39,719
S2: we know protects against radiation is ectoine. Um, I mean,

869
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:42,690
S2: that's why it's there to begin with. And the second

870
00:49:42,690 --> 00:49:47,790
S2: thing is, is, um, we use so that's as far

871
00:49:47,820 --> 00:49:52,290
S2: as like EMF, but the sunblock has other ingredients that

872
00:49:52,290 --> 00:49:54,810
S2: also protect you against things that are that our body

873
00:49:54,810 --> 00:49:58,710
S2: just did never evolved to deal with, which are free

874
00:49:58,710 --> 00:50:03,960
S2: radicals that are not oxygen based or are not. Uh, yeah,

875
00:50:03,989 --> 00:50:08,190
S2: not oxygen based. So nitrogen or carbon based free radicals

876
00:50:08,190 --> 00:50:11,129
S2: that are caused by pollution, by burning of, of, of

877
00:50:11,130 --> 00:50:15,060
S2: obviously of fossil fuels, etc., our body never had the

878
00:50:15,060 --> 00:50:19,440
S2: the need to create systems to, to break those free

879
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,040
S2: radicals down or to neutralize those free radicals. So we

880
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:27,629
S2: need to use a very cool cousin of C60 that

881
00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:34,830
S2: is called Lipochrome and six that or Lp6. And that is, uh,

882
00:50:34,830 --> 00:50:39,209
S2: very good at scavenging free radicals that are carbon and

883
00:50:39,210 --> 00:50:40,109
S2: nitrogen based.

884
00:50:40,140 --> 00:50:42,390
S1: Is it is it like a, like a, like a

885
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:46,410
S1: buckminsterfullerene soccer ball like shape, like carbon 60 is.

886
00:50:46,530 --> 00:50:50,009
S2: Yeah, but it but it is bound to different to

887
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:55,470
S2: different structures. The problem with buckminsterfullerene is that its photosensitizers you.

888
00:50:55,469 --> 00:50:59,340
S2: That's why we don't use it. Okay. Um, so we

889
00:50:59,340 --> 00:51:04,140
S2: had to find a molecule, which, um, is again pretty,

890
00:51:04,170 --> 00:51:07,590
S2: pretty unique. Not a lot of companies use it. Um,

891
00:51:07,620 --> 00:51:13,680
S2: that provides again, it is synthetic, like carbon 16. Um,

892
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,489
S2: and it's pretty good at, again, neutralizing those free radicals

893
00:51:17,489 --> 00:51:18,690
S2: that are not oxygen based.

894
00:51:18,690 --> 00:51:21,810
S1: So if C60 photosensitizers you, you could make a case

895
00:51:21,810 --> 00:51:24,420
S1: for not using a high amount of a C60 supplement

896
00:51:24,420 --> 00:51:26,130
S1: prior to a day at the beach or on the boat,

897
00:51:26,130 --> 00:51:28,170
S1: or out skiing or something like that.

898
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,540
S2: Yeah, you should ask I and I and Mitchell, I

899
00:51:30,540 --> 00:51:34,050
S2: think has a photo of him taking a lot of C60,

900
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,040
S2: going outside with his, uh, cross on with his necklace with,

901
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,770
S2: with a cross on it and coming back home with

902
00:51:40,770 --> 00:51:44,430
S2: a with a red, red chest. Yeah.

903
00:51:44,460 --> 00:51:48,000
S1: Yeah. Wow. Wow. That's crazy. I did not know that. Okay,

904
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,930
S1: so so that's that's really interesting about the sunscreen and

905
00:51:50,930 --> 00:51:52,939
S1: the reasons we might want to use it, even without

906
00:51:52,969 --> 00:51:56,029
S1: UVA and UVB exposure. The other thing I wanted to

907
00:51:56,030 --> 00:51:59,900
S1: ask you, I mentioned this in the introduction, was, you know,

908
00:51:59,930 --> 00:52:03,950
S1: all the antioxidants and clean ingredients added to these clean

909
00:52:03,950 --> 00:52:07,010
S1: beauty products. I think you have kind of an opinion

910
00:52:07,010 --> 00:52:10,130
S1: about that, because I occasionally read some of your guys's

911
00:52:10,130 --> 00:52:13,250
S1: articles on the Young Goose website, and there was one

912
00:52:13,250 --> 00:52:16,790
S1: that discussed the potential, I believe, for oxidation of some

913
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:17,989
S1: of those. Can you get into that?

914
00:52:18,020 --> 00:52:21,770
S2: Yeah. So I think clean beauty is a is a

915
00:52:22,010 --> 00:52:26,239
S2: I think in general we should be wary about industries

916
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,180
S2: that emphasize what they are not and not necessarily the

917
00:52:29,180 --> 00:52:33,500
S2: benefits that they that they imbue upon the user. Rather

918
00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:37,460
S2: than demonizing other things okay. It could be very confusing.

919
00:52:37,460 --> 00:52:40,130
S2: And it could also, you know, create anxiety, etc. but

920
00:52:40,130 --> 00:52:42,620
S2: it's just not a very, I'd say, not a very

921
00:52:42,620 --> 00:52:45,860
S2: sincere way to go about it. Like in skincare. Just

922
00:52:45,860 --> 00:52:49,160
S2: as a different example, we see a lot of products

923
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,750
S2: that are trying to convince you that they are healthy

924
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:56,250
S2: for you and they're saying plant based or vegan, but

925
00:52:57,150 --> 00:53:00,000
S2: it doesn't mean anything about how well they work. The

926
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,200
S2: problem with what I call clean washing is that, um,

927
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:07,830
S2: kind of confusing the consumer saying, hey, we don't have

928
00:53:07,830 --> 00:53:11,220
S2: any of these bad stuff. Yeah, but you're, you're creating

929
00:53:11,219 --> 00:53:16,020
S2: you're using natural ingredients that can degrade over time. And

930
00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:23,190
S2: that leads to, to harmful, harmful ingredients or harmful byproducts, like,

931
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:29,550
S2: for example, the uh, dihydro ascorbic acid, which is, which is, uh,

932
00:53:29,550 --> 00:53:35,040
S2: basically a reaction that happens to, to ascorbic acid. Uh,

933
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,250
S2: ascorbic acid in my eyes is the least clean, is

934
00:53:38,250 --> 00:53:40,739
S2: the worst product someone can put on their skin. And

935
00:53:40,739 --> 00:53:44,219
S2: I know I said vitamin C before, but that is

936
00:53:44,219 --> 00:53:50,920
S2: a synthetic, um, non On mineral bound form of vitamin

937
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:56,650
S2: C that in the skin actually increases aging or drives

938
00:53:56,650 --> 00:53:58,149
S2: premature aging.

939
00:53:58,180 --> 00:54:01,270
S1: You mean if applied topically via skincare product?

940
00:54:01,300 --> 00:54:04,690
S2: Yeah, because because that's actually a lot for the skin

941
00:54:04,690 --> 00:54:10,000
S2: and it actually causes cellular death. That's called ferroptosis through

942
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,920
S2: exciting of of of of iron molecules in your skin.

943
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:20,200
S2: Or I'll give you just another random example. Um, uh,

944
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:26,259
S2: limonene hydroperoxide, which is uh, obviously through, uh, an essential

945
00:54:26,260 --> 00:54:30,399
S2: oil reaction. So ingredients that we could think of as

946
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:35,950
S2: beneficial can cause oxidative stress, can cause cellular death, irritation,

947
00:54:35,980 --> 00:54:40,780
S2: other skin issues, um, because they are not stabilized.

948
00:54:40,780 --> 00:54:43,540
S1: Well, okay. So so this makes sense. This would be

949
00:54:43,570 --> 00:54:45,700
S1: like keeping your extra virgin olive oil in the pantry

950
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:48,259
S1: right next to the oven where the heat radiation from

951
00:54:48,260 --> 00:54:51,380
S1: the oven is basically oxidizing your extra virgin olive oil

952
00:54:51,410 --> 00:54:53,750
S1: pretty quickly. All the worse if it's in a plastic

953
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:57,859
S1: clear container. That type of concept. But it's paradoxical because

954
00:54:57,890 --> 00:55:01,730
S1: aren't the type of things you'd have to add to

955
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:07,009
S1: stabilize the type of ingredients that could potentially be unhealthy. Like,

956
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,100
S1: like these are the additives, the preservatives people complain about

957
00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:13,850
S1: and in skincare products. Is there something to that idea?

958
00:55:14,090 --> 00:55:17,120
S2: Yes. First of all, we need to learn. We kind

959
00:55:17,150 --> 00:55:19,040
S2: of need to know that we don't live in a

960
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:25,160
S2: preservative free society. And so for even touching a guardrail

961
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,009
S2: that that that has paint on it is going you're

962
00:55:28,010 --> 00:55:31,400
S2: going to get some preservative on your skin, you know,

963
00:55:31,610 --> 00:55:34,190
S2: might not be absorbed through your skin, but it's on

964
00:55:34,190 --> 00:55:36,680
S2: your skin. Now the question, does it absorb or not?

965
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:38,660
S2: Or if you use a pen and a pen, you know,

966
00:55:38,660 --> 00:55:43,460
S2: spills on you or whatever, many things would, would drive

967
00:55:43,460 --> 00:55:46,719
S2: more of those molecules that are maybe like alcohol based

968
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,660
S2: or things like that, through your skin and into your body.

969
00:55:50,020 --> 00:55:56,560
S2: Safe preservatives are preservatives that we know that your body

970
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,200
S2: is designed, as I kind of said before, is designed

971
00:55:59,230 --> 00:56:03,399
S2: to kind of recognize break down. And then we need

972
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,430
S2: to know the percentage, what is the percentage that's there

973
00:56:06,430 --> 00:56:11,920
S2: and how much your body can break down. Um, so

974
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:17,470
S2: that's by the way, one just to answer like about preservatives. Um,

975
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,160
S2: the other thing is, is that what happens when you

976
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:25,420
S2: don't have preservatives, you're going to have mold, microbial growth.

977
00:56:25,420 --> 00:56:28,750
S2: There are things that are that are worse than, than,

978
00:56:28,780 --> 00:56:35,470
S2: than a specific preservative. Um, having said that, because we are,

979
00:56:35,469 --> 00:56:37,299
S2: at the end of the day, a product that that

980
00:56:37,300 --> 00:56:41,710
S2: people are supposed to love, like, I believe, um, there

981
00:56:41,710 --> 00:56:44,170
S2: is a placebo placebo effect is real. Like if you

982
00:56:44,190 --> 00:56:46,080
S2: love a product that you use, you're going to it's

983
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,239
S2: going to affect you more. And if you have a

984
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,580
S2: bad connotation to something you're going to get, you're going

985
00:56:50,610 --> 00:56:52,890
S2: to get less, get less of a good reaction to

986
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,920
S2: it or potentially a bad reaction. So we've spent the

987
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:03,600
S2: last year, um, isolating preservatives out of plant material, for example, honeysuckle,

988
00:57:03,810 --> 00:57:07,500
S2: in order to have preservative systems that are completely in

989
00:57:07,500 --> 00:57:12,720
S2: air quotes clean but are nice to read, you know,

990
00:57:12,780 --> 00:57:13,860
S2: that you can pronounce.

991
00:57:13,860 --> 00:57:16,830
S1: So you're saying that your guys's labels will change even

992
00:57:16,830 --> 00:57:21,630
S1: more in the future to basically not. Not because some

993
00:57:21,630 --> 00:57:23,700
S1: of the things that are currently in there is preserving

994
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:27,480
S1: agents are necessarily absorbed to the extent that they're harmful.

995
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,390
S1: But because you want the consumer to have complete peace

996
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:32,490
S1: of mind, if they're one of those people who are like,

997
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,110
S1: if you can't pronounce it, don't eat it and don't

998
00:57:34,110 --> 00:57:35,160
S1: put it on your body.

999
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:39,150
S2: Yeah. And by the so so yes, the youth products

1000
00:57:39,150 --> 00:57:43,780
S2: already have that system. We actually if someone looks at

1001
00:57:43,780 --> 00:57:47,770
S2: the website, it actually says, um, you know, U3 set

1002
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:52,180
S2: V2 because we actually changed that part, but more like

1003
00:57:52,210 --> 00:57:55,000
S2: all of our products are going to be changed to

1004
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:58,180
S2: reflect that. But the other thing is, I wouldn't suggest

1005
00:57:58,210 --> 00:58:00,430
S2: eating any skin care product just for you to know,

1006
00:58:00,430 --> 00:58:02,650
S2: even if it says even if it's made out of

1007
00:58:02,650 --> 00:58:07,600
S2: tallow and honey, um, don't eat it because it's something

1008
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,470
S2: makes it shelf stable and that's something is not necessarily

1009
00:58:11,470 --> 00:58:12,610
S2: friendly for your gut.

1010
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,439
S1: One thing I hear a lot of people talk about,

1011
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,870
S1: especially in kind of like the biohacking and health industry

1012
00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:19,060
S1: is build up a skin callus, right? Like get out

1013
00:58:19,060 --> 00:58:22,210
S1: in the sun, the more sun, the better. Surely there

1014
00:58:22,210 --> 00:58:24,460
S1: is a law of diminishing returns. But I'm just curious

1015
00:58:24,460 --> 00:58:25,810
S1: to hear your take on it.

1016
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:30,250
S2: Okay, so I'll try to be. I'll try to be concise.

1017
00:58:30,250 --> 00:58:36,220
S2: In in fair skin callus can can be is real

1018
00:58:36,250 --> 00:58:40,090
S2: because melanin is real. Okay so so what is skin

1019
00:58:40,090 --> 00:58:42,540
S2: callus is is building more pigment in our skin because

1020
00:58:42,570 --> 00:58:47,220
S2: that's our natural sunblock. But there is not not a

1021
00:58:47,220 --> 00:58:49,590
S2: lot else that you could think of as what skin

1022
00:58:49,590 --> 00:58:54,840
S2: callus is. So when you have a pretty wrong idea

1023
00:58:54,840 --> 00:59:00,000
S2: of your ability to deal with DNA damage from the sun, um,

1024
00:59:00,030 --> 00:59:03,000
S2: you're not going to the law of diminishing returns. Diminishing

1025
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:07,320
S2: returns are quite early within that exposure. Like 30 minutes, 20,

1026
00:59:07,350 --> 00:59:11,040
S2: 30 minutes. You you are already getting diminishing returns. The

1027
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,890
S2: other thing is, is that what you're hoping to get

1028
00:59:13,890 --> 00:59:18,240
S2: from the sun also diminishes when you build your your

1029
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:22,350
S2: imaginary sun callus. So your ability to, you know, we

1030
00:59:22,350 --> 00:59:27,180
S2: know that, uh, 90% of the African American population in

1031
00:59:27,180 --> 00:59:29,580
S2: the United States are vitamin D deficient. Why do you

1032
00:59:29,580 --> 00:59:32,220
S2: think that is? Are they more indoors than anyone else?

1033
00:59:32,250 --> 00:59:34,620
S2: Not by those percentages.

1034
00:59:34,650 --> 00:59:38,040
S1: Right. Higher pigmentation equals less vitamin D absorption.

1035
00:59:38,130 --> 00:59:41,600
S2: Exactly. So what you're going to get is when you're

1036
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,730
S2: building your son callus, you're you're also going to get

1037
00:59:43,730 --> 00:59:45,530
S2: less of the benefits that you're talking about the son.

1038
00:59:45,530 --> 00:59:49,430
S2: So that is kind of besides the point, uh, people

1039
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:51,200
S2: are a little bit confused about the son callus. The

1040
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,680
S2: other thing is, um, uric acid is something I see

1041
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:56,600
S2: people talk about a lot, which is an acid that

1042
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:00,380
S2: is expressed with more sun exposure, but it actually doesn't

1043
01:00:00,380 --> 01:00:05,420
S2: have any any benefits for UVA and UVB. It only

1044
01:00:05,420 --> 01:00:08,840
S2: mitigates UVC, which we don't even get at all from,

1045
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:11,840
S2: from from the atmosphere absorbs all of our UVC. So

1046
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:15,650
S2: that's irrelevant. So if you want to get the benefits

1047
01:00:15,650 --> 01:00:19,100
S2: of sun exposure, I would suggest a couple of things.

1048
01:00:19,100 --> 01:00:23,090
S2: First of all, expose areas that are normally not exposed

1049
01:00:23,090 --> 01:00:27,680
S2: to other environmental aggressors. So right now you're talking with me.

1050
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,830
S2: There is some artificial light I would assume from the screen.

1051
01:00:30,830 --> 01:00:34,850
S2: Plus you are wearing a shirt and there is probably

1052
01:00:34,850 --> 01:00:37,580
S2: some EMF coming from your mic. So all of those things,

1053
01:00:37,580 --> 01:00:40,520
S2: your shirt It mitigates a lot of those things just

1054
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,130
S2: by being a physical barrier. When you're going out to

1055
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,800
S2: the sun, you are going to enjoy the benefits of

1056
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:50,000
S2: the sun more. Where that shirt was originally on, on

1057
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,690
S2: your body because as we said about, you know, before

1058
01:00:53,690 --> 01:00:56,540
S2: about blue light and radiation and all of that, it

1059
01:00:56,540 --> 01:00:59,990
S2: actually hinders your skin's ability to function and reap the

1060
01:00:59,990 --> 01:01:01,070
S2: benefits of the sun.

1061
01:01:01,070 --> 01:01:04,430
S1: So basically, the more blue light that you're exposed to,

1062
01:01:04,460 --> 01:01:08,870
S1: potentially the more damaging that skin that the sun could

1063
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:09,890
S1: potentially be.

1064
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,500
S2: Yeah. And not only that, by the way, going back

1065
01:01:12,500 --> 01:01:15,800
S2: to red light, uh, studies have so there is a

1066
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,040
S2: very cool study out of the University of Yonsei in

1067
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:25,070
S2: Seoul in Korea. Um, that if you expose your skin

1068
01:01:25,070 --> 01:01:29,120
S2: to red light and near-infrared light before going out to

1069
01:01:29,150 --> 01:01:31,220
S2: the sun, you're going to get less sun damage and

1070
01:01:31,220 --> 01:01:35,000
S2: you're going to get better, you know, better ratio of

1071
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,160
S2: benefits to to drawbacks.

1072
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:39,910
S1: And is that because of upregulation of nitric oxide or

1073
01:01:39,940 --> 01:01:42,580
S1: antioxidants or something like that, or this? What do you

1074
01:01:42,610 --> 01:01:44,590
S1: call the urocanic acid or something else?

1075
01:01:44,620 --> 01:01:47,590
S2: No. Urocanic acid is is really doesn't do anything, but

1076
01:01:47,590 --> 01:01:51,370
S2: it actually just more ATP, more ATP, more cellular energy

1077
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:57,669
S2: equals more DNA repair equals your cell's ability to repair

1078
01:01:57,700 --> 01:02:00,490
S2: or to uptake moisture, etc. just increased.

1079
01:02:00,910 --> 01:02:03,850
S1: Okay. Got it. That makes sense. Well, last question for you.

1080
01:02:03,850 --> 01:02:06,010
S1: If you could wave a magic wand and look around

1081
01:02:06,010 --> 01:02:08,260
S1: at all the things that you see people doing for

1082
01:02:08,260 --> 01:02:11,290
S1: particularly their skincare or their facial care or their personal

1083
01:02:11,290 --> 01:02:14,410
S1: care products or whatever. Besides, you'd want them to use

1084
01:02:14,410 --> 01:02:17,350
S1: young goo stuff, obviously. But if you could wave a

1085
01:02:17,350 --> 01:02:20,680
S1: magic wand and stop people from doing one stupid thing

1086
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,110
S1: that you see people doing all the time that they

1087
01:02:23,110 --> 01:02:25,960
S1: think is making their skin healthier, or getting rid of

1088
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:30,040
S1: wrinkles or defying aging or whatever. And you could tell

1089
01:02:30,070 --> 01:02:33,430
S1: people what that one thing is that they should think

1090
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:36,280
S1: about stopping. What would you choose?

1091
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:42,400
S2: So something I said before is ascorbic acid. I would

1092
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,730
S2: tell people never, never to use ascorbic acid on their skin.

1093
01:02:45,730 --> 01:02:48,010
S1: So look at all your beauty products. Look for ascorbic

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S1: acid if it's got it in there. Switch it out.

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S2: Yeah. But the second thing is, I just have to say,

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S2: because it's a pet peeve of mine is, uh, is ice.

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S2: Ice water face dunking in ice water. Uh, if you want, like,

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S2: temporary effects, that when you lift your head, you look

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S2: in the mirror, it looks better. You should do that.

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S2: But I'm just kind of annoyed by influencers and people

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S2: like that touting like that. It can replace deliberate cold exposure.

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S1: Oh, that's what they're saying. If you dunk your face,

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S1: I mean, you can trigger like a mammalian diving reflex

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S1: and maybe get a little bit of an impact on

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S1: cranial nerve function, right?

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S2: You could but you could never like release heat shock

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S2: proteins or cold shock proteins, for that matter, from your liver. Right.

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S1: And these and these are probably people who just don't

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S1: like to get in the cold bath.

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S3: No, that's a.

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S2: That's a funny thing. It's I see it from all, like,

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S2: all across the board. I just see people saying, hey,

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S2: you know, here's, here's something you can do to you

1114
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,900
S2: have more nerve receptors, like cold receptors in your chest

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S2: and your face. So you could just expose that. But

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S2: that's we really want to modulate core body temperature. We

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01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:57,730
S2: don't there is very little long term benefits in just

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S2: exposing the area that you kind of want to affect

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S2: to the cold. Actually, it might be contrary. You might

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01:04:03,460 --> 01:04:08,200
S2: be just, um, creating some malfunction in your skin barrier. Right.

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S1: Okay. All right. So if you're going to waste the

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S1: time dunking your face in ice water, just getting the

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S1: whole bath, folks. Just. Yeah. Or getting the cold shower, um,

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S1: and say this has been fascinating as usual. I mean,

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S1: you always just blow my mind with all these little things.

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S1: I learn about skincare, and things are going to change and,

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S1: you know, go shopping later for the Korean derma pen

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S1: and all those things. But what I'm going to do

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S1: can imagine, after this discussion with Amit, I got some

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S1: I'll put those in the show notes as well. I'll

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S1: link to my first podcast with Amit, and I'm sure

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S1: there will be a third to come, because there's all

1138
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S1: sorts of stuff like the Klotho gene and other myths

1139
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S1: and skincare and things we didn't even get a chance

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S1: to touch on today. So anyways, and Amit has a

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S1: Young Goose?

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S3: No, it's called Biohacking Beauty.

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S1: Oh, that was that was close. Bio biohacking beauty. Check

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S1: out his podcast as well. Amit, thanks so much for

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S1: coming on the show, man.

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S2: Thank you. It was my pleasure.

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